Pak-China relations: China pledges support for Pakistan
China pledged its support for close ally Pakistan on Tuesday, after the US decision to suspend $800 million worth of aid.
“Pakistan is an important country in South Asia. The stability and development of Pakistan is closely connected with the peace and stability of South Asia,” foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei told reporters.
“China has always provided assistance to Pakistan, helping it improve people’s livelihood and realise the sustainable development of its economy and society. China will continue to do so in the future,” he added.
US President Barack Obama’s Chief of Staff, William Daley, announced in a television interview on Sunday that the US had decided to withhold almost a third of its annual $2.7 billion security assistance to Islamabad.
Former President Pervez Musharraf on Monday said he regrets the US decision to stop $800 million in military aid to Pakistan. Musharraf called the move “disastrous”, telling an audience at Rice University in Houston, Texas that the aid cut-off is not in the best interest of the United States because it will weaken Pakistan’s ability to fight terrorism. Musharraf said that he is saddened by what he sees as the recent “environment of confrontation between Pakistan and the United States,” adding that relations can be improved if the US further takes into concern Pakistani sensitivities and sovereignty.
The move has plunged relations between Islamabad and Washington to a new low. Tensions between the two countries were already high after US commandos killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in May. The US decision was however welcomed by India. The neighbouring state has long accused Pakistan of providing shelter to militant groups and has pushed the global community and the United States in particular, to censure Islamabad. China on the other hand is one of Pakistan’s closest allies and is also its main arms supplier, a situation that India has also expressed concern about.
Published in The Express Tribune, July 13th, 2011.
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@mind control:
are u denying chinas strenght as one of the BRIC economies.. and yes i know what the I in BRIC stands for.. i dont suppose ur aware of what the C stands for though.. CHINA isthe new global power.. u ahve to be living in a hole to not know that...
also just so that its clear to all indians china and pakistan go way back to when bhutto visited china for its support. and since the ties between the two countriues have been strong to say the least.. no matter what china has alwauys offered its support to pakistan in one shape or another!
You'll know if China means business, when it puts its money where its mouth is. Countries don't give out doles of Billions of Dollars without clear objectives. Especially not China.
It may do so, if it saw a geo-political advantage in dominating Pakistan. And Pakistan will be foolish to expect China to be more benign than USA.
The history shows that a democratic super-power is far more benign than autocratic ones. So, if Pakistan thinks China is going to be a better Superpower sugar-daddy than USA - GOOD LUCK.
@SAM
…. if india is twice the size of pakistan it should only ask for half as much aid as pakistan (whcih figures show it does) due to larger number of resources at her disposal………….so india is just as bad off as pakistan if anythign at all.
China is about 12 times greater in size and about 100 times greater in GDP as compared to Pakistan. Still as per your data China receives 1.43 billion in aid as compared to 1.29 for India.
Therefore, according to your logic China is not only 'as bad off as Pakistan' but perhaps even worse off.So how will this worse off country offer any aid to Pakistan?
I like Pakistanis. I do. But I cring when some Pakistanis get so over joyed about China. For Allah sake, India gave more aid to Pakistan than China.
Please return to your secular, democratic liberal roots and all your troubles will vanish. Get rid of the military economy. Even Kashmir will be solved in time. Pakistan needs to be a more liberal and open society, not a China clone.
Yes YES YES !!!! China is our new US! Now all of our generals and all of our politicians will renounce their second citizenships of US and UK. Further they will recall all their kids who have settlled there or are studying there. The new destination for all such pursuits is going to be China!!!!
States have no permanent friends or enemies, they have only permanent interests.
Beware China is more dangerous than USA. Its a communist dictatorship that has its own temperament. It will arm-twist us to benefit them and will take account of each and every Runambi that might give us.Some people think just China saying support will bend US. But that's what has not happened. Gen. Pasha's dash to USA today shows quite the opposite. We have to be careful in diplomacy. Its not children's play. We have to think long term as India found out successfully.
we people used to chant slogan Hindi chini bhai bhai but china betrayed us and humiliated us in 1962. now he is your friend now see what he would do to you fellow. by the way, good luck for your friendship.
CHINA IS JUST LIKE A HOMOPETHIC MEDICINE FOR PAKISTAN
(USELESS)
the comments left here by indians are evidence to how pitiful they are.. they just cant be happy for anyone... PATHETIC!
@P.A.M.:
jealous are we? anana and plz dont deny it itll only prove it further
@Hedgefunder: Human rights? Depends if what version of human rights you mean? Soros foundation HR for throwing out Governments who spend money on their people or Human Rights of US for persuading people of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya where human rights are spread by aerial bombardment of civillians, infrastructure and administration.
China freed the Tibetan slaves from feudal families. Now US wants to install feudal lord Dalai Lama saying it is "Human Rights".
Yanks are bankrupt themselves, leeching on retirement funds of their elderly. China is saying we will support Pakistan in case if US is feeling trigger happy.
@Babloo
Pakistanis are 1/2 arab and 1/2 chinese as per Pak establishment DNA analysis
I would say 100% Arab and 99% Chinese, and Mathematics be damned.
@paki: thank you papa:)
hahaha.....
Manoj
It is Indians trying to force us to be their 'brothers' that has turned us into their enemies. We are not the same people. We have our own lands, our own languages, cultures and identities. Though we are not your brothers we don't have to be your enemies either. Just learn to let go.
A friend is need in a freiend indeed.
@gahmed
wrong headline or right it dont matter cuz we(pak military) are better then indian military no need to explain after that, well understood
@Chin Yuan
http://tribune.com.pk/story/207308/india-welcomes-us-suspending-aid-to-pakistan/
.. go ahead man
Yes, I became very happy when I learnt that China will help Pakistan to strengthen its economy..As a Pakistani I believe we should not depend upon America any more,why we are behaving as a parasite? We must stand on our own feet...its about time to say to America we don't need aid...just have a trade on equal basis..if China wants to help Pakistan we must accept it with open heart and grasp the hand of China very firmly. I feel really dejected when I see Pakistani Politicians inclining towards America despite latter's rude behaviour and ill attitude. America always disgraced Pakistan, although they are so called friends and allies and Pakistan is a front line state in war against terrorism..but Pakistan is not regarded as a friend rather than treated as a slave.we did a lot for America in war against terrorism as we lost our near and dear ones but we are not given respect that we deserved. We are considered as a terrorist country in the world. If we analyse all this with out any bias then we come to know that we lost a lot in this war and gained nothing but disrespect in the world. Now we have a chance to move ahead towards prosperity by joining hands with China. May Allah bless Pakistan.Ameen. Ammad Qureshi Rawalpindi.
@gahmed:
One should be happy, if his enemy over estimates his own strength. This gives an opportunity to put the enemy on the mat on battle field.
I as an Indian can not say whether I am happy or not, becuase I am yet to decide whether Pak is our enemy or blood brothers who has lost it's way.
@LOL
read the very second comment made by a schoolgirl
@Chin Yuan
hahahaaaa,. beginning of the conflict.. improve your sense man.
I love China President very nice person.
@Manoj: wrong headline or right it dont matter cuz we(pak military) are better then indian military. u can correct the headline when ur government runs crying toward UN and US
China is fishing in troubled waters due to adversity with US and not due to any sympathy with Pakistan. If you see the past record of China which is a eye opener and Pakistan must weigh its pros and con before blindly accept China's friendship and abondon USA who is providing assistance worth billions of dollars in welfare schemes and military hardware besides helping Pakistan in getting soft loans from IMF which will also dry up. China never helped its best friend North Korea when millions were dying of hunger in this country who was subsequentlly helped by the West and same treatment was meted out to Vietnam who is no longer is a friend of China and keeps safe distance from it.
As I have already pointed out that China is interested in Pakistan due to untapped minerals wealth found in Balochistan and Afghanistan which are urgently required by China and it will offer some peanuts to Pakistan who will gladly accept it on the name of friendship with this country and their-after will be left high and dry.
@Dil to pagal hai:
im sorry do u see me refuting any of the facts u just quoted i didnt.. but u indians are so threatened by the china pak friendship u make it an ego issue ... its cute though.. quite entertaining!
@LOL:
thanks :) btw im a girl
@mind control: sighhh ok im drawing the conclusion that everythign needs to be spelt out for u so here u go:
STOP PLAYING HOLIER THAN THOU.... if india is twice the size of pakistan it should only ask for half as much aid as pakistan (whcih figures show it does) due to larger number of resources at her disposal.............so india is just as bad off as pakistan if anythign at all.. rreality check pls! but our military is not reversing its decission against US envolvement in pak matters despite loosing out on aid money the US rightly owes pakistan for being part of a war pakistan never had the resources to fight.........
China is the largest receipt of World Bank grants and loans, what a surprise, these heathens are no ones friends. They are God less Atheists that the so called religious Pakistanis love
@anil: You are so right, in fact China only accepts US dollars for anything they sell to Pakistan
As Sir Mohammad Iqbal said:
“Tundiye bade mukhalif se na ghabrae akab ye to chalti hain tujh ko lIur uncha urane ke Liye”
(O’ Eagle, do not be afraid of the swift and hostile winds, because they are there to make you fly even higher)
Please go ahead with China. They will reduce you to North Koreas status in a few years.
Will china send weapons and money to replace the billions from the US, dont think so, they just talk, they want to be paid in US dollars
The Biggest Obstacle in the way of establishing hegemony of Hindu Banya in the region is China. That's why it never liked it. No matter Banya like it or not,China is a Reality . They can deny it but can not make it disappear. Thats why Banya is in deep agony every time something comes up from China. Curse of God be upon Banya.
@mind control: Please note that the so called enemy of Pakistan provides 1% which is more than China's aid.
@Adeel: My dear brother, "Please think before you ink." If you are so hunkered into the glitter, glamour and glitterati of the West, then it is strongly suggested you observe your surroundings more closely. Salams.
@Grace
Considering the state of Pakistan. I think most Indians are more shocked and ashamed that we let Pakistanis rule us for a 1000 years. Pakistan inherited the wealthy and the educated from the sub-continent. With a 100 year lead in establishing a civil society.
The headline of the article shows a vast misinterpretation of Chinese intententions. Look carefully at what was said:
In other words, China made absolutely no specific promises to help Pakistan and furthermore suggests that NO military aid will be forthcoming at all.
It is worth remembering that China holds a large portion of U.S. debt and this gives it a proportional say on many U.S. policies. So American aid to Pakistan is, in a sense, Chinese aid to Pakistan. If China is displeased by America's attitude towards Pakistan it would say so privately to the U.S. and that attitude would change in return. That hasn't happened.
So Pakistanis are only fooling themselves by making grandiose claims of Chinese support. Eventually the Chinese may tire of this. It will be unlikely that they will add to Pakistan's public humiliations at the moment but the Chinese do know of other ways to get back at Pakistan for this: fewer bribes, delays in payments and deliveries, subtle diplomatic snubs, and lost business opportunities.
And, of course, decreased access for Express Tribune journalists. Have a nice day!
Bravo China, a true ally unlike the United States which uses and abuses its friends. US turned away and imposed sanctions on Pakistan after Pakistan helped it defeat Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and they are doing it again when they are themselves defeated in Afghanistan.
Where are Hillary Clinton and John Kerry's promises that we will not abandon Pakistan this time? Pakistan should immediately close supply route to US & NATO through Pakistan and refuse all aid from the US. It is time to restore the nation's honour and for the country to learn to stand on its own two feet.
@Grace
"...most Kashmiris like me consider myself Pakistani." You know why? Because you have never reconciled with the fact that your forefathers were Hindus and/or Budhists who converted to Islam as such carry a bagagge on your shoulder. And it's precisely because of the same inferiority complex that you accuse me off. By the way do you suffer from an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the British because you were ruled by them for close to 250 years.
China is very similar to Hakimullah Mehsud. Hakimullah Mehsud wants children to act as suicide bombers for his benefit. Can you blame Hakimullah Mehsud getting impoverished uneducated children to act as suicide bombers cheaply? Similarly, China wants Pakistan to be its nuclear suicide bomber for China's benefit. Can you blame China getting Pakistan as a suicide bomber so cheaply?
@SaudiRules: "Seriously, why do indians care so much if china is “real” friend or not?" It is because you are next door to us. Any foolish things like befriending the Middle Kingdom rings all the alarm bells in India. Had you been in Africa, India wouldn't have given two hoots about anything you would ever do. @Chin Yuan: "As a Chinese partner we will give you all assistance to counter terrorism..." The same way you gave assistance to Viet Nam when it was in the existential throes fighting one major power after another? Do you also remember the bloody nose Viet Nam gave you even before it defeated the US? Perhaps you could explain to Pakistanis where you disappeared to when it was being fractured back in 1971. A friend in need, indeed! Could you care to explain to Pakistanis what kind of relationship you have today with everyone of those little countries around you whose national resources you are trying to steal by bullying them? Go on, explain it to your "dear friends" -the foolish Pakistanis who are on a rebound at the moment.
China's financial help is peanuts compared to what the US has handed out to us in the last 6 decades. Pakistan's importance to China will steadily fall as Indo-China relations get better as both are very well positioned to economically benefit from each others markets. The patronage we receive from China was initially based as a counter-weight to the military threat posed by India to some border areas of China. Both these Asian super-powers have realized that confrontation hardly pays any dividends and will actively work towards economic integration & trade while Pakistan gets isolated in is own neighborhood! Pakistan is heading toward what Afghanistan was/is, a conflict ridden state where the writ of the government is scant and intolerance is the order of the day.
As soon as we keep our economic progression at the forefront of ALL our policies, everything will start to get better e.g. better relations with neighbours hence the need for a huge military will be reduced i.e. increased investment in economic infrastructure & welfare rather than bombs. It will also be a tool in the fight against extremism as a well-fed richer population that concentrates on its economic well-being will start diminishing the intolerance that we as a people harbor towards anything that deviates slightly from the majority's viewpoint i.e. instead of looking for differences to fight about, the populace will look at their similarities in order to earn some moolah($$$).
We can benefit vastly from an Indo-Pak-China dialogue on how to better integrate the economies of the three too.
@Grace: Well you are wrong, on this call !! As its more of a case about keeping eyes on the Juvenile Neighbour with Nukes!! If you call that as Obession, its fine by me ! Especially when that neighbour is not even stable or self supporting!!! In regards to your Kashmiri origin, well you must be mirpuri !! Don't forget the ethnic cleansing conducted on the Pandits of Kashmir!! Dream on in regards to Kasmir becoming part of Pakistan, as the very structure of this nation is on line for its basic survival in very near future !!
@Abdur Rehman: I agree with you 100%. During the Kosovo conflict Serbia had only two supporters. Russia and China. A Chinese official at the time stated that Serbia should not be attacked and if at all someone needed to be attacked, then it should be Kosovo. Long live muslim friendship with China
@maestro: China's exports to Pakistan were $6.9 billion in 2010 and it imported goods worth only $1.7 Billion from us. They have not conceded to our persistant demands for a more favourable trade balance. Look at North Korea which is closest to China. Millions are starving in that country and all the food aid comes from the west. China give them moral support for hunger. We will end up the same.
@mkd: The difference is that most Kashmiris like me consider myself Pakistani. If you allowed the United Nations mandated vote on freedom, you would find out the truth yourself. Indians are obsessed with writing on Pakistani sites because they have an ineherent inferiority crisis after so many centuries of Muslim rule.
I wished it were we who rejected American aid. We can stand on our own feet if we end corruption. Ego is something more valuable than their dollars. At least we are now in a position to decide where we should fight who. America dont like when China supports Pakistan. They dropped their mandibles when our Prime Minister said china is our best friend. They have to analyze this affair, they are showing us their back while China is ready to compensate their departure. Its natural with China, and artificial and selfish with America.
@mind control:
What sam manged to prove with his data was that the great new 'super-power' of the world that has half its population living under the poverty line is still recipient of foreign aid.
Try wrapping your bloated mind around that.
@hassaan
It's same as Pakistani obsession with Kashmir. It's the feeling of not having something you THINK, should belong to you.
China has never given a single cent of free dole-out to Pakistan and it is not going go change. China will never become a golden goose for Pakistan like the US has been for the past six decades. This report is a propaganda news initiated by the ISPR. Remember, soon after Osama killing the Establishment claimed that China was going to make Gwadar a Chinese naval base? This was later denied by China.
@mind control, Who gives us nuclear technology while during these 18 hours ofloadshedding? China or america? Who is investing in our infrastructure? Who is investing in our education and health? Not america, but China. Aid doesnt show how close a country is to you.
yaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy We love you abba2.0.. Previous version of abba[US] was not that good so we changed it to 2.0[china].... long live abba....
As a Chinese we appreciate the friendship of Pakistan in countering US hegemony. As a Chinese partner we will give you all assistance to counter terrorism and Indian expansionism. We will march together in the 21st century leaving religion behind and putting science forward above God. Pakistan will always remain China's friend we will defeat extremism and religion together this we have promised all your parties whoever comes to power.
Those who are rejoicing on China's offer must know the real purpose behind this ie it wants exclusive rights on billions of dollars worth minerals found in Balochistan and seeks Pakistan help in grabbing trillions worth of minerals in Afganistan. For details, read today's Af-Pak channel.
I really feel sorry for my Pakistani friends that they are being sold down the drain by their hungry politians and army Tops. Most of their children are either in US universities or working for US MNC and yet they fool innocent people. Regarding China just ask the people of African countries where China went and bought their land and mines at dirt prices for their use in China. China is only good for one country and country is China.
no need to read, look @ the picture of your master
By God, Reading half the post to this articles make me Laugh. When will Pakistan Understand that there are no real friends in international politics only strategic interests. Right now China sees Pakistan as a Kryptonite for India and is willing to help it not wither away. China and US strategic interests are extremely intermingled, so to they that China would completely alienate the US is like living in a fantasy world.
Dear Editors:
Please mind the misleading heading of this story. China's foreign ministry does not issue irresponsible statements. Such heading only creates doubts about your reporting styles. Please improve it. We, the readers deserve better from you expect better from your esteemed organisation.
China as a friend has advised Pakistani regimes to mend their behaviors on different occasions in the past. Chinese advise has fallen on deaf ears. Pakistan did not headed to Chinese advise in 1971, during the Siachin and Kargil adventures, Kashmir issue and relationship with India. Alsol the advise it got from China to improve the trade relations with its neighbors including India. This is what Chinese have been doing for themselves before becoming a power as they are now. They have resolved most of the hot issues with their neighbors and put the unresolved issues on back burner and developed trade to highest volumes. Look how they tackled Hong Kong , Taiwan, Macao issues, how they are handling their disputed affairs with Japan, India and Vietnam.
These dramas of misinforming Pakistani public that China stands to support their follies be stopped. Media has played this dirty game that '' China is our friend and will support us under all circumstances''. . The reality is that China has been advising us to stop this nonsense and improve relations with all our neighbors and concentrate on the welfare of our own people.
@hassaan Because India is concerned with the only thing that it exports to India and the entire world and Only Pakistan has the monolopy and not that India or the world is jealous..they are just concerned.
@hassaan:
When your neighbor's house is on fire, naturally you will be interested to see what the neighbor is doing to put out the fire....
Some might call it self-interest, you might call it obsession....
LOL at all my fellow Pakistanis clamoring for joy! China cares about one thing - only China. Be prepared to have Pakistan flooded with cheap (and dangerous) Chinese goods which will destroy the domestic economy and small businesses.
Its sad to see so many Pakistanis brainwashed into believing that India and the US are the real enemies when in fact it has always been Islamic extremists groups.
Perhaps you folks were too young to remember Zia's reign of terror. The public floggings and systematic killing of non-Muslims was the lowest point in our nations history.
Go to hell dear YANKS! Do not treat us as a client state. Get lost and leave us alone. We will fix our problems, you fix yours.
@hahhahah: I agree with you. The difference is I think it is a bad thing and you think it is a good thing. We may never agree on this part because the definition of 'good and bad' 'right and wrong' are different for Islamists and rest of the world
why do stupid indians visit our paki newspapers? dont write comments here you stone worshippers
OK. So. I am an Indian.
I don't understand this love affair with China that Pakistanis have. Look at China's strongest ally - North Korea. It is smaller than Pakistan, Has no terrorists or fundamentalists. A very easy country when we look from India / Pakistan POV. How the Chinese have ruined it, and continue to do so. Once a country develops, it looks for capitalism, democracy, and the west, and the Chinese don't want it. Once you are in China camp, you can't get out, and you are forever stuck in the rut. Pakistan is more vulnerable as China will use Pakistan against India and will never let Pakistan go.
Good luck to you and your time-tested all-weather friend.
@Rifaye(India): Are you guys capable of being anything besides really, really sour grapes? I mean seriously, it's been over 60 years. Stop with the whining.
@Moise: Remember that the Beijing Consensus does not follow Any Human Rights !! So be ready, if you mess with these lot as you did with the Yanks as they will not tolerate any BS from your lot!!!! Get the picture?? Anyway pls check as to the contents of the speech, and its easy to realise nothing new is on offer from the Chinese !!! They do not give away anything for free, but will trade for it !!! Remember that!!
@Corrupt:
Sir, a bad conversation is better than no conversation. And The Express Tribune is doing well to allow an open discussion (even if the quality of the comments is occationally poor)
Has anybody looked at the actual substance of this speech??? Why do the Pakistanis just get exicted with such statements, when they actually have not really grasped the full contents ??? Is it that they are really incapable of living without a Nanny to do their choirs?? This is after 64 years of Independence !!! Than why seek independence in first place as its obvious that you are not fit and proper to govern yourselves, or manage anything with responsibility!!!!!!
@Sajjad Ashraf: You have a very myopic understanding of international politics , anyway i like your idealistic approach atleast its good for your soul.
@ Ali - I see the force of Imran Khan is strong within you. While India and the US may not be our friends, neither is China. In the world, countries do not have friends. They have allies. Those are relationships built on how one acts. Sadly, we have not acted in a way that would engender friendship or trust from India or the US. Until we do so, let's try to avoid being delusional and believing that the war on terror will end the day the US leaves Afghanistan. The monster we gave birth to is now trying to kill its mother. We should have aborted this baby in the womb.
@let there be peace: Indians will be in a bigger headache rather heart attack when the yankees will leave them alone ( as is written all over the wall now ) in Afghanistan to be butchered. Let them enjoy their short ride ...
The US wants us only as a hired gun or a mercenary. The choice is ours - do we want to be a third calss country always with a begging bowl or learn to live with honor?
Its about time the we realize that US/India are no friends of Pakistan. But our dollar hungry leadership has destroyed the country. Its about time people rise up and force this puppet regime to withdraw from this fake war. US is already negotiating with people it used to call terrorists. Then why are we still in this war.
As expected. More headache for India
Sir, Shifted our begging bowl from left hand to right hand. But am still holding the bowl.
China as one of the closest and trust worthy friends of Pakistan always helped Pakistan in difficult times. It is said that this friendship has gained its roots in the hearts of Peoples of both countries. Pak-China friendship is sweeter than honey, higher than Himalayas and deeper than pacific. America as a interest-based friend of Pakistan always left Pakistan in quagmire, it might be in case of the end of Afghan War or withholding the military aid to Pakistan or sanctions like Pressler. Pakistan should re-synthesize and reshape its Foreign Policy and adopt LOOK EAST POLICY despite LOOK WEST POLICY.
Words are CHEAP!!!
Show me the MONEY!!!!
It is finally the length of the que which line up outside the respective embassies of US and China, that shows whom Pakistanis like most. Dollar or Yuan!
@mind Control...what the statistics have failed to show is that the major chunk of financial help from China which have managed to seep through has not been documented or remains confidential. the overwhelming help tops billions of dollars including the welfare and defence projects of the likes of Chashma Nuclear Power Plant 2and 3, Ghazi Brotha hydel Power project rebuilding and maintainace of Karakorum Highway, several defence and strategic projects undertaken with the Chinese help, Gawadar port,
are some of the few to name. the US Aid, whatever Pakistan received in all time was either in terms of the payments made for the military and logistical support Pakistan provided to the US and the humanitarian assistance. Japan has been the biggest contributor in Humanitarian assistance in all this time which also India is a recipient of. for China to come out openly and pitch itself against the lone super power( which it has never done before) in the world just to support its long time friend is nothing ordinary or marginal. we are proud of our all-weather friend.
This article is non-news. Those Pakistani commentators here, who are happy with this article will do better to read this article again.
China has only reiterated its 'friendship' with Pakistan. But it has not put its money where its mouth is. Whether it will do so in the future? Hmm. let us see.
I guess, you guys will never learn to stand on your own feet. What if China collapses tomorrow?
Why the same draft (word to word) is there in TOI too, who copied and published without marking courtesy.
@Sam: You are right india also receives the aid but the difference which you should know is we are least dependent on such small money. Where as 800 odd million dollor is blocked, i can very well see that whole Pak is upside down. Just for your knowldge only last month 4.2 billion of dollors was invested in India as FDI.Which is more than 5 times of your aid. This is just one factor. India is in top five in terms of purchasing power in the whole world. Even Anil Ambani can buy out whole Karachi Stock exachange and still be counted much richer than any rich person of Pakistan. Pak is no where as compared to india so pls stop you obsession about us. Pls welcome your new uncle CHINA.
How much Money have China offered ?? anything on paper, or isit just talk!!! Well their weapons are not as good as US, so stick to their Cash offering , if any !!! Good Luck !!!
Our new abba!.... love you china :) old abba has kicked us out :(
So far Pakistan is being ruled by corrupt leaders(in all institutions),there is no chance for prosperity etc. One option is to give Pakistan to China on lease for at least 50 years.
Seriously, ET needs to shut down its comments option. Better be restricted to Blogs Only.
i think so we only need a good friend thats enough, we should also inform china that dont put us un begging street. but untill zardari and PPP is here we cant do so.
"Client state is one of several terms used to describe the subordination of one state to a more powerful state in international affairs. It is the least specific of these terms and may be treated as a broad category which includes satellite state, associated state, puppet state, neo-colony, protectorate, vassal state and tributary state. (See also unequal treaty.) The idea that there might be a hierarchy of states, some more or less dependent on others, contradicts the doctrine of Westphalian sovereignty which holds that each state is a distinct, separate and sovereign entity."
Pakistanis are 1/2 arab and 1/2 chinese as per Pak establishment DNA analysis.
@Sam
What exactly are you trying to prove.
If you are saying that Pakistan is a 'bigger beggar,' you need not exert yourself, we all know that.
If you are trying to prove that India is more dependent on aid, your data shows exactly the opposite.
So, once again can you tell me what are you trying to prove by the data.
I believe you found that India does not receive as much aid as Pakistan and reflexively jumped to the conclusion that somehow India is faring worse than Pakistan.
Dear Watson, it simply proves that India is rich enough to take care of its needs.QED.
@sam : If ET posts such a bad stuff then why are you even here to read it , get your act together...
Why do not we people of Pakistan work hard to make our country stronger and stable.
@mind control:
http://www.visualeconomics.com/how-developmental-aid-flows-around-the-globe/
"The Top 20 Recipients of Developmental Aid
The top recipient of developmental aid is Iraq, with $9.115 billion in donations. Number two is Afghanistan, with $3.951 billion in donations received. Number three is Tanzania, with $2.811 billion received in donations. Number four is Vietnam, with $2.497 billion in donations. Number five is Ethiopia, with $2.422 billion in donations. Number six is Pakistan, with $2.212 billion in aid received. Number seven is Sudan, with $2.104 billion in aid received. Number eight is Nigeria, with $2.042 billion in donations received. Number nine is Cameroon, with donations of $1.933 billion received. Number 10 is Palestine, with $1.868 billion in donations received.
Number 11 is Mozambique, with $1.777 billion in aid received. Number 12 is Uganda, receiving $1.728 billion in aid. Number 13 is Bangladesh, with $1.502 billion in donations received. Number 14 is China, receiving $1.439 billion in aid. Number 15 is India, with $1.298 billion in aid received. Number 16 is Kenya, receiving $1.275 billion in donations. Number 18 is Ghana, with donations of $1.151 billion received. Number 19 is Morocco, with $1.090 billion in aid received. Number 20 is Egypt, with $1.083 billion received in donations."
india is twice as big as pakistan and receives half as much aid............ u have to be pretty blind to not only see selective facts!
china is true human loving country. who beleives on stability. and not on killings and distability and blames and religious extremism.. salute
@mind control:
ok uv proved ur lack of intelligence.. did u wish to make any other point?
also do me a favour and look up the defination of the word denial in the dictionary and then print the letters on ur forehead :)
@ET given the sort of junk thats posted half the time its only fair the above comment is also posted.
lols at indians, its high time you should shut your mouth !!!!
who cares? this country is doomed.......i dont like the chinese any more than i like the indians, arabs or americans
I seriously can't understand what the Pakistanis are happy about? I hope it is surely not for having switched its life support system from one of world's oldest democracies to one with the world's highest number of executions of its own citizens (I do not even want to talk about other human rights issues)
Honorable Mr. Hong Lei's picture says it all ;-)
Thanks to China for ur support.this is very bad time for. Pakistan and u prove u r with us.some countries try to damage. Pakistan image.u can not buy image with the money we don't need money we need good leaders ships.American give has. Money but never let's work good leaders ships
Why, Manoj , are you looking towards assistance from China, why can you not be grateful for the verbal support, that means a lot in international politics-if you understand int. politics at all. It is good that no help comes from anyone because all these assistances and aid and loans has not assisted Pakistan to take control of it's own problems or stand on it's own feet. We have to help ourselves not through material assistance but by reforming our inner selves, by being honest and instilling fear of Allah, by being sincere to our duty as leaders and as citizens of this country. For those calling us Israel of China are thick skinned!!
Seriously, why do indians care so much if china is "real" friend or not? All i know is awam is in the same condition, first khakis milked USA and nothing fom awam. Now, khakis will sell natural resources(mines etc.) to china and line up their pocket and continue driving their BMWs.
Ohhh, I can see a long queue at chinese embassy in isloo, where awam is lining up to get a "red card" to migrate to china, send their kids to college in china! We are emotional people, china just tells us what we want to hear.
@SK: These people very well know how to steer themselves and fly away (to their respective countries) when government liquidity dries totally ... u know they are expatriates here who have come here to do their businesses and jobs
It would be worthwhile if they monitor that the aid reaches the public.
Tiger left ..now its turn of wolf....happy preying.
Auction going on for slave....Slave preparing herself to serve the rich master:)
Here we Go...Lets Wait for crying response of India now.. ;) Long Live Sino-Pak Friendship!!
pakistanis are extremly proud of being a begger, is what i conclude from this blog.Between my hearty congratualtion on finding a new masters...Hope your marriage doesnt end in another divorce.
All Pakistani comments I have seen here which says "Pak-China dosti zindabad" and "long live sino-pak friendship"
When will we ever learn that there are no friends and enemies in diplomacy and politics, only interests.Btw, all China lovers should know that China is a good "friend" of Israel, it is doing in Tibet what India does in Kashmir. It is brutally oppressing Muslim population in Xinjiang. China is not our saviour, its not our friend and when time will come , it will be a bigger nuisance than USA
@Manoj: Stop hypothesizing Manoj. Better still stop counting stars in the daytime. Thanx.
Indians have nothing better to do than to 'correct' ET news. Don't they have any worthwhile newspaper in the worlds largest cesspool (read India)
Seeing how envious and disturbed the Indians are made my day !!! =)
To all willing Vassals of the Middle Kingdom
To put Chinese aid to Pakistan vis-a-vis US aid to Pakistan in perspective, please see the link. As you can see USA was at the top of the list with 26% contribution, and China was way below with 0.7% aid.
Please also note India gave more aid than higher than mountain friend China. http://fts.unocha.org/reports/daily/ochaR24E15913_1107120205.pdf
On second thoughts here is the list
United States 687,993,777 26.9 % 0 Private (individuals & organisations) 361,722,149 14.1 % 43,043,300 Japan 301,020,868 11.8 % 0 United Kingdom 224,360,137 8.8 % 90,230,047 European Commission 183,154,132 7.2 % 0 Saudi Arabia 151,357,898 5.9 % 90,841,096 Australia 82,157,747 3.2 % 0 Canada 74,318,412 2.9 % 2,906,977 Norway 56,755,452 2.2 % 0 Turkey 53,300,000 2.1 % 0 Germany 49,739,814 1.9 % 2,410,038 Central Emergency Response Fund (CERF) 41,980,782 1.6 % 0 Sweden 35,512,101 1.4 % 0 India 26,094,092 1.0 % 0 Denmark 24,074,193 0.9 % 0 Netherlands 20,155,022 0.8 % 0 China 18,137,829 0.7 % 29,498,525 Spain 15,018,714 0.6 % 0 United Arab Emirates 12,181,420 0.5 % 5,292,284 Austria 11,759,344 0.5 % 0 Allocation of unearmarked funds by UN agencies 11,628,628 0.5 % 0 Allocation of funds from Red Cross / Red Crescent 11,273,175 0.4 % 0 Finland 10,887,476 0.4 % 0 Italy 10,874,193 0.4 % 0 Kuwait 9,250,000 0.4 % 1,000,000 Switzerland 8,536,440 0.3 % 1,461,988 Belgium 8,115,463 0.3 % 0
@anil:
errrrrr Hi anil.... im just curious have u ever heard of the word denial?
All you people doubting China's intentions - nowhere are they saying or have ever said they will give aid - they are doing the RIGHT thing by helping us in development projects and trade which is most Pakistanis want - trade not aid! And sure it serves their interests. Why shouldn't it?? Business is business - if it is mutually beneficial than whats the problem - dont businesses prosper when they make deals with others? Why shouldnt countries?? AID is the worst by off of a country as seen in the situation by the Americans who think they own Pakistan. Take your $800 million, which you actually borrowed from the Chinese in the first place (LOL) and shove it. Buh bye...
long live Pak-China friendship
A common Pakistani citizen was never given even a single penny out of this US aid,so either we have it or not,it doesnt matter at all to the common. China wants to strengthen its economy by supporting Pakistan as much as they can,but as soon as the war Giant wants to impose a war in this part of the world,no one is gonna stop it.
hahaha anything for a couple of dollars.Beware North Korea for all it's friendship with China look at it's economy.
Can you indicate some number ....of the aid in millions that you are planning to give us?
We call it aid but for China its Investment
@PostMan: China is offering much better than what US has done to Pakistan in 60+ years.
@TightDhoti: Someone needs to learn the difference between Washington consensus and Beijing consensus.
Bye bye US, when you leave take the dollar fed politicians, bureaucracy, generals, spies, journalists, media owners, arm chair analysts, culture officials, traitors, mouth pieces, and fanboys with you.
From one master to the other!
Thank you papa :)
@Rehan: We (Paki) are no where close to what you just stated.
We are just a proxy used against India. But indeed China is much more sincere when it comes to prosperous Pakistan rather than America who always had double standard relationship with Pakistan. Still our politicians and governments tend to bend over to the American side which is a pity.
I wish we realize it sooner that China can be of much more help if we stop begging the Americans.
Peace for all mankind not only for Americans!!
You know we should give them both access to Gawader as well as strategic bases along our North Eastern border.
Once again a cosmetic shift of policy. Only the master will change, the slave will remain the same. When will Pakistan become the owner of its own destiny???? In my opinion, not until hell freezes over. Hopefully, I'll be proven wrong.
thank you papa:)
Pakistan is to China as Israel is to America. Regards, Rehan
Guys please let us live alone without any aid and let us be self sustainable! I was happy after the aid cut news that now we can get rid of our parasitic attitude.. !!! :(:( so sad..
Vienna,12-07-2011 A timely announcement as ordered by the Beijing Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I do take note People´s Republic of China has always provided sustainable development aid to Pakistan ever since it came into being on August 14,1947! Mahraba,Mubarak,Shukriya,thank you spokesman of all weather friend deeper than Indian Ocean and higher than the Himalayas occupying the Tibetan plateau.-- Kulamarva Balakrishna
Thumbs up for Pak-China friendship <3
A friend in need
“China has always provided assistance to Pakistan, helping it improve people’s livelihood and realise the sustainable development of its economy and society. China will continue to do so in the future.”------------china's minister says as if they have given enough aid to pak like west did. What ever they have given ,is just Loan. am I wrong ?They have provided loans to buy chinese products or to execute projects that was implemented by chinese cos. China won't provide aid to pak.
Long Live Sino-Pak Friendship !!!!
Its the behavior that counts. China is no friend of Pakistan - it has its own interests to safeguard. It shares with US the same concerns of Islamic fundamentalism and extremism in its own areas. It too has voiced concerns more than once to the Pakistanis to the threat of militancy emanating from FATA but never you will see them threatening Pakistan. No wonder the Pakistanis hate US.
pak-china friendship zanda bad
China is more interested in provoking US than genuinely helping Pakistan. The same thing happened after OBL episode. Pakistan is simply being used as a tool.
Oh dear. A big party pooper for the Indians.. Bye bye, America. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. :)
Even if China doesn't give any aid (and I hope it really doesn't so these politicians can learn how to steer country on their own) but even just the gesture to counter US' arm twisting tactics is more than enough to put US on the right spot Long Live Pak-China friendship
More territory being sold off. Time to redefine the map.
Again wrong Headlines dear ET. China has said it will continue to assist Pakistan to improve public live hood and developement.
Hence, there is no promise of new assistance to compensate for the loss of US stopage of fund and secondly US has stoped only the military assistance and China has not commited any military assistance to make up for the loss.
Hence, to summarize
No new assistance is comming from china No military assistance to make up for US non assistance.where are the indians now who claimed its only india-china blah blah blah!!!
PS: aid or no aid ......I LOVE CHINA! love the country love the people!
Yeah We are Your Israel!!!