Ice-breaking dialogue: Pakistan, India begin peace talks

Published: June 24, 2011
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Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir with his Indian counterpart Nirupama Rao prior to formal talks in Islamabad. PHOTO: AFP

Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir with his Indian counterpart Nirupama Rao prior to formal talks in Islamabad. PHOTO: AFP

Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir with his Indian counterpart Nirupama Rao prior to formal talks in Islamabad. PHOTO: AFP
Indian Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao (L) holds talks with her Pakistani counterpart Salman Bashir (R) during a meeting at The Pakistan Foreign Ministry in Islamabad on June 23, 2011. PHOTO: AFP
ISLAMABAD: 

Pakistan and India on Thursday opened the two-day peace talks between the foreign secretaries of the two countries in Islamabad with both sides vowing to carry out talks responsibly and constructively as they began discussions aiming to stabilise South Asia as thousands of US troops prepare to leave Afghanistan.

The focus of the discussions between Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir and his Indian counterpart Nirupama Rao was on peace and security  issues, including nuclear-related matters.

“The talks were substantive, constructive and forthcoming,” said Pakistan’s Foreign Office spokesperson Tehmina Januja after the conclusion of the first round of parleys.

“Pakistan approaches the dialogue process with India with an acute sense of responsibility to posterity,” Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Hina Rabbani told a joint news conference with visiting British Foreign Secretary William Hague.

She said Pakistan wanted to move forward “to a point where we can talk”.

Indian officials also expressed similar views. However, the two sides didn’t share any further details on the talks. The foreign secretaries will have two more rounds today with one focusing on the Jammu and Kashmir dispute and the other on friendly exchanges.

The talks on the Kashmir dispute, which has been the main source of friction between the two nuclear-armed neighbours for decades, will be the first since the November 2008 Mumbai attacks after which the peace process collapsed between the two countries.

There have been indications that India has emphasised progress in the Mumbai attacks investigations before any discussions on Kashmir take place. However, Pakistan has already made it clear that detailed discussions on terrorism-related issues had already taken place between the two sides when the interior secretaries of the two countries met.

On her arrival in the capital, Indian Foreign Secretary Nirupuma Rao said she had come “with an open mind and a constructive spirit” to work towards building “trust and confidence” that would eventually lead to a normalisation of relations between the nuclear-armed rivals.

Both sides say talks will focus on the fate of the divided Himalayan region of Kashmir, peace and security and confidence building, in preparation for a scheduled visit by Pakistan’s foreign minister to India next month.

“This is an important visit as it marks the penultimate leg of the resumed dialogue process before the visit of the foreign minister of Pakistan to India in July,” she added.

Indian Foreign Minister S M Krishna said this week that Delhi had to be “realistic”, calling for terrorism to be dealt with “firmly and transparently”.

Since then, the two countries had talks at the level of the defence, interior and commerce secretaries. The foreign ministers of the two countries are expected to meet next month in New Delhi to review the progress of the first round of the composite dialogue.

Talks on the disputed glacier of Siachen, where troops have clashed intermittently since 1984, concluded a month ago without progress. “There will be no major breakthrough in the talks but I am sure that the process will now go on to enable the two countries to discuss and sort out issues,” Pakistani foreign policy analyst A H Nayyar told AFP.

Additional input from AFP

Published in The Express Tribune, June 24th, 2011.

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Reader Comments (72)

  • Paras Vikmani
    Jun 23, 2011 - 12:31PM

    As long as Pakistan keeps taking Kashmir dispute again and again, relations with India will not improve. If Kashmiris want justice,then Mumbai should be given justice too.Recommend

  • sarmad danish
    Jun 23, 2011 - 12:35PM

    it doesn’t matter what the indians do as long as our society idolises and glorifies islamic extremism there can be no peace inside pakistan. our public depraved obsession with islam has led to a society where religiosity is valued above everything else,public displays of religious symbols, exhibitionist religious rituals,women walking around in a tent or a blanket over the hair are all displays of religion which these people think make them better than us.

    our media’s giving islamic fascists undeserved respect only because they don’t shave and providing lame excuses for their terrorist attacks is one of the reasons why islamic extremism has spread to all levels in our society.how many times a day a person performs rigid religious rituals or for how many days in a month a person can starve himself are now the standards by which the ‘goodness’ of a person is judged.
    it doesn’t matter if a man is a cheater,a liar,a rapist ,as long as he has a beard he will get away with his crimes as our media and police firmly believe that anyone with a beard can do no wrong. Recommend

  • T Khan
    Jun 23, 2011 - 12:46PM

    Let me start comments on this news item by saying that I hope that Pak and India forget their enmity and work towards mutual respect, and peaceful co-existence.

    My Indian cousins, to you I would say that please be realistic; historical events (no matter how unreasonable) cannot be changed so easily. Pak cannot become part of India (however much that I myself want this happen!); atleast for the next few hundred (!) years. Yes, the possibility and feasibility is there, but we are not mature enough to go towards that direction. The European Union materialized after centuries of rivalries and bloodshed.

    My Pakistani compatriots (read the ‘establishment’), please divert your (paranoid) focus away from India and towards social change and economic development. Governments have a crucial role to play in nation-bulding; look at the South East Asian experience. Don’t squander opportunities and resources on (phantom) insecurities.

    On a personal note, in my global travels, and interaction with Indians, I have found no difference between my socio-cultural habits and theirs!! The discourse of differentiation based on religion is a myth, created to perpetrate a set of vested interests on the populace in Pakistan (and I guess in India as well). Pakistanis stop trying to identify yourselves with Arabs! We are not Arabs. We should not want to be Arabs. We have a rich (Indo-persian…but more Indic) culture and, arguably a more nuanced stance on religion. Further, by accepting plurality of ideas, and religious inclinations, we wont loose our religion; the Malaysian muslims have not, despite a very open society!

    My 2 cents! PEACE TO ALL!

    T. Khan (From the land of Gandhara, now a global nomad!) Recommend

  • babar aftab
    Jun 23, 2011 - 12:50PM

    Religion brings nothing but conflict and war.this sick obsession with proving ‘my god is better than your god’ has led to millions of death for mankind over the centuries.Religion finishes off a person’s ability to think rationally and with reason.we should take a look at ourselves,30 years ago we were not the mess we are today,but then zia ul haq came ,started his islamization campaign and we’ve gone down the hill ever since.The present jihad fasaad is just another manifestation of religious hate.Recommend

  • T Khan
    Jun 23, 2011 - 12:52PM

    ….further to my comments. Lets forget about Kashmir!! What are the cost and benefits of having Kashmir?? How about fixing what we already have! Fix the tribal areas, the defacto lawless ‘tribal areas’ of Karachi. Above all, fix Balochistan!!!!

    T.Khan
    (A global nomad from Gandhara) Recommend

  • chandran
    Jun 23, 2011 - 12:59PM

    there are hindus in indonesia also and that country is having very thick hindu history like pakisthan. but there is no such enemity between hindu and muslim. Bali is the hindu outpost.Recommend

  • Uday
    Jun 23, 2011 - 1:08PM

    T Khan and Babar Aftab’s comments are appreciable. This shows the common views of the people of both the countries.
    Both the legs of a polygon can alway meet at the upper point.
    Vibrations of harmony attract harmonious events; vibrations of disequilibrium create disequilibrium all around.
    Past has gone carrying all with it; the future has the best, yet to come.Recommend

  • Nomad
    Jun 23, 2011 - 1:22PM

    @ Chandaran
    There are muslims and Hindus in Indonesia but there are not Massacres like in Kashmir and Gujrat. Problem is not with Hindus but with Indian mindset.Recommend

  • Hedgefunder
    Jun 23, 2011 - 1:28PM

    This is another meeting, which is likely to achieve very little!!! Confidence is low as to any progress at all, due to lack of clarity and policy makers non attendance, namely the GHQ.
    The urgent issue well overdue is culprits of Mumbai attacks and their handover as India has been observing the inaction of Pak agencies and its Judiciary in regards to this.
    If Pak delegation even considers discussing anything in regards to Kashmir, than simply pack the bags and leave for New Delhi, as this is a forgone conclusion in many cirlcles around the world, who are following these so called Talks!!!!
    These talks can simply not achieve any results as the main player on Pak side is not present!! So this is just PR exercise for the world to see that Pak is making effort!! Its all BS!!!Recommend

  • ashwin
    Jun 23, 2011 - 1:28PM

    Talking is good but listening and observation is even more important for communication i am sure the mandarins in Islamabad understand this well, now if India wants talk about Pakistan has to listen for India hear Pakistan on Kashmir and other grievances with India.This a two way channel Communication.Speeches are one way.

    @Tkhan :We do not want Pakistan and India merger, at least not the current troubled Pakistan.As for the rest of your Post i appreciate you for that thank you.We Hope Pakistan to be good neighbor, Pakistan can pursue it’s national interest within International Legal framework.We dont want bother you,Pakistani don’t bother us.Recommend

  • Mirza fan
    Jun 23, 2011 - 1:33PM

    @T Khan:
    Wow! I m an Indian and I request all Indians to read what T Khan has written. And for his goodwill’s sake refrain from posting negative comments.Recommend

  • John
    Jun 23, 2011 - 2:00PM

    we have been hearing this for long time… i know what they do in these kind of meetings… All the indian and pakistani delegates will have a nice cup of tea and biscuits in tax payers money and they will discuss how to create war clouds to squeeze more money for buying weapons.. Then they will talk again.. believe me.. even my grandson will write the same comment in express tribune after 100 years…Recommend

  • bulbul
    Jun 23, 2011 - 2:07PM

    @Tkhan

    I am a Pakistani and TKhan is a retard.

    What are the benefits of having Kashmir? Are you really serious that stupid?

    Kashmir was to be a part of Pakistan when the ruler of Kashmir sold Kashmir (with majority Muslim population) to India acting on orders of newly formed Indian government. the only stable way to Kashmir was through Gurdaspur which fell in the Indian region to India took it and since then the war and dispute started. You are speaking India’s language why dont you shift to India lets see what they do to you then.

    People like you are a disgrace to this country, considering of course if you are a Pakistani which I hope and pray is not the case.Recommend

  • Rock
    Jun 23, 2011 - 2:08PM

    @T Khan: Nice thoughts. Just one thing gandhara was Buddhist kingdom. Isn’t secularism is against islam? many in pakistan think so. :(Recommend

  • AD
    Jun 23, 2011 - 2:12PM

    “Aa gaye mehmaan Daawat Udane”. Nothing will happen.Kashmir and terrorist & religion will never let India-Pak sit in peace.Recommend

  • antony
    Jun 23, 2011 - 2:23PM

    @T Khan , I dont know whether you are an indian posing as a pakistani because if you ask any Indian he would say the same thing as you wanted..Indians want peace with Pakistan and grow in trade and enjoy our collective prosperity ..But LOC is defacto border no change forseen in next 100 years.. Transparent water treaty and more outflow of money and Skill from india to pakistan to boost its economy are all Indias offer..But will Pakistanis take that offer ? Or fight till death over Indian kashmir ?

    Please decide.Recommend

  • Aftab
    Jun 23, 2011 - 2:25PM

    I don’t think there is going to be any outcome, except, we will talk again, some day.Recommend

  • Akthar
    Jun 23, 2011 - 2:25PM

    I am OK with T Khans opinion provided theres no meddling by India in the internal affairs of Pakistan and Vice Versa.
    Hope there`ll be peace, inshallah!!Recommend

  • ashok sai
    Jun 23, 2011 - 2:30PM

    Kashmir saw the rise of India as Global Economic Power as well as Pakistan’s rise as top ranked Failed State.

    Let talks continue on Kashmir !!!Recommend

  • Aftab
    Jun 23, 2011 - 2:36PM

    You will see a few days how “open” they are.Recommend

  • chandran
    Jun 23, 2011 - 2:38PM

    Indoesian use to say
    our religion is Islam
    our god is only Allah
    but our culture is hindu
    our language is having lots of hindu sanskrit word
    Hindu kings ruled us more than 600 years.
    Still ramayana and mahabaratha story drama played by muslims

    because Religion and culture is differentRecommend

  • Pravin
    Jun 23, 2011 - 2:43PM

    Indian friends,

    Let’s support @Mirza fan ‘s initiative.
    For the due respect to @T Khan, let’s not put any negative comments below this news.

    Pravin
    Recommend

  • vasan
    Jun 23, 2011 - 2:45PM

    T Khan
    I agree with you 100%. Forget out joining Pakistan and India. Let us learn to live as good neighbours amicably. Joining will come later.Recommend

  • Jun 23, 2011 - 2:54PM

    Religion isnt the real issue, real estate is and elite on both sides want more land…. Simple.
    If religion was so dear then they’d have applied religious laws in both the countries.
    We are still learning to govern ourselves, this is something which we havent done for centuries….
    Mughals (turks and afghans) and then britishers ruled us for centuries and now when we have power in our hands, look what we are doing with our people and land.Recommend

  • positive pakistani
    Jun 23, 2011 - 2:56PM

    @Paras Vikmani:
    I feel clueless about the shortsightedness of people when they equate the kashmir issue with mumbai issue :S….

    Mumbai attack was only an instantaneous event which happened at a place and was resolved in the matter of 2-3 days…..Kashmir issue started in 1948 and it is still there….and it has caused the two countries to fight at least 3 full fledged wars plus a many cold wars…

    In mumbai attack only few more than 100 innocent people were died…were as in kashmir since 1948 over 40K innocent people have lost their lives and thousands of innocent women are raped and limitless number of individuals have been tortured…

    If the mumbai ‘issue’ (as how it is called) is ‘resolved’ (thought i am not sure what is there to be resolved :S) there is not real and “direct” impact of the lives of the common men living in both countries….as it has already become a war of egos nothing more or less than that….where as if Kashmir issue resolves (as per 1948’s UN resolution or by any other agreement) it will “directly” impact the lives of almost 10 million on ground Kashmiris on both sides of the LOC…..

    you can compare mumbai issue with Samjhota Express Issue, Marriot Hotel Issue, PNS Mehraan Issue, GHQ attack issue etc…….but you can’t compare it with Kashmir if you are in your senses!….. Recommend

  • Jun 23, 2011 - 3:11PM

    @Paras Vikmani:
    As long as India is keeping its thousands of armed forces in Kashmir and doing genocide of Kashmiri generations. As long as India does not comply to UN resolution for a free and fair plabicite. As long as Kashmris are not involved in table talk for peace and their fate to Kashmir Liberation, there cannot be peace and good relations between Pakistan and India.

    Both Pakistan and India are wasting each others time for so-called peace talk. If they cannot talk on Kashmir independence, they must forget peace in the region.

    Both the countries have lived over 60 years under the guns and Inshallah will live for centuries if the root cause of haterd is not removed.

    Keep on talking – senseless talks – just to fool the world.

    Regards

    Dr. Saleem Siddiqi
    Johannesburg – South Africa.Recommend

  • sam
    Jun 23, 2011 - 3:14PM

    @chandran:
    most hindus in indonesia are expats and enjoy good social status… while bali is a separate island.. you cant really compare…..Recommend

  • Manoj
    Jun 23, 2011 - 3:17PM

    I do not understand what is left to be discussed, between india and Pakistan, which has already not been discussed in the last 60 years. It’s simply wastage of time.

    Both the countries has the draft copy of agreement (Musharraf – Manmohan) in the cup board, they need to take it out, leadership of both countries needs to show the statesmanship and sign the agreement.

    Changing the boundry by force or by negotiation is not possible between two countries. Hence. accept the ground reality and move forward. Put your resources for the welfare of people instead of using the same for military purposes.Recommend

  • AFK
    Jun 23, 2011 - 3:29PM

    Lets not take Jammu & Kashmir part of the peaceful discussion, Jammu & Kashmir never claims becoming a part of Pakistan, they want to be independant.

    lets talk about bileteral talks on terrorism, trade exchange, opens opportunities for job for millions of jobless in Pakistan. lets make this country a suitable environment for business

    Please avail this opportunity and make India our best friend. Recommend

  • Bilal Khan
    Jun 23, 2011 - 3:37PM

    @T Khan:
    If you want to be realistic then you wouldn’t think this way anymore. No matter how many years we do CBMs no matter how many millions of people tried that from 2002 till 2008 it took just a few dozen fanatics to derail the process by Samjhotha Express and Mumbai incidents therefore, Its must to find a way for the solution of Kashmir which has cost 80,000 lives in Kashmir and many more in the useless wars. Starting point could be giving both parts of Kashmirs to its native people and letting them rule it themselves. Recommend

  • Shabbir Baloch
    Jun 23, 2011 - 3:52PM

    Most people are saying not to talk Kashmir issue, Kashmir is the life line of Pakistan, India has launched Kashmir water war against Pakistan. Resolving Kashmir issues with India imperative for peace. Unfortunately India wont come on this point and there will never be peace. In my opinion they should talk about war not peace.Recommend

  • God Father
    Jun 23, 2011 - 3:53PM

    The Foreign Secretaries should take a note from the self centered intellectuals here!!!Recommend

  • Jun 23, 2011 - 4:04PM

    Hope she leaves with an open, constructive mind as well.Recommend

  • PoorPeace!
    Jun 23, 2011 - 4:12PM

    I am thrilled!!! I am happy to see so much sane voices from both sides of the border. Perhaps peace will prevail now.
    I just want to caution all that there is every possibility that not much may come out of this talk but we should not lose heart at least now we are on talking terms.
    Perhaps some day we will be able to say “long live Indo-Pak friendship”. :-)Recommend

  • Mirza fan
    Jun 23, 2011 - 4:25PM

    Another important point, according to the Indian army general, this year there has been no infiltration from across the LOC uptil now. There hav been only two attempts to infiltrate. We can appreciate Pakistan for that. Moving forward may not be utterly impossible after all..Recommend

  • Hedgefunder
    Jun 23, 2011 - 4:29PM

    @sam:
    So enlighten us with your esteemed knowledge about Bali?? Is it an Independant country? Or perhaps island state of another country???
    Indonesia is made up of 17,508 islands !!! Do you want to know more???
    It also has the Largest Muslim Population in any one Nation!!!! Yet they can live in peace with their minorities! Which incidently are Christians, Buddist, Hindu and Confucian.Recommend

  • sam
    Jun 23, 2011 - 4:41PM

    @ashok sai:
    with much thanks to india exporting its spy agents here…. you my friend are a prime example of a school boy with a massive and extremely delicate ego.

    iv read several of ur posts one request pls and i dont mean it in a rude way but can you pls stop being so darn negative and stop with the whining… ur like this child who cant stop crying….so pls if you cant be productive to a positive environment atleast dont be counter productiveRecommend

  • Mian Salahuddin
    Jun 23, 2011 - 5:06PM

    @sarmad danish:

    Till the disguised Muslims last among muslim society like you how the true culture will evolve. To you beard is something derogatory. Please think for while this is SUNNAT & if your muslim and have faith think about your creed.Recommend

  • Ali
    Jun 23, 2011 - 5:06PM

    Neither India nor Pakistan (should) or will give an inch of territory here or there. So, we should just accept the LoC as border and be done with this issue. we have bigger issues to deal with such as overpopulation, pollution, environmental degredation, lifting mases out of poverty in a sustainable way and of course terrorism.

    These are things we need to work on. We dont have to love each other, just be good neighbours to each other and work on common issues together that will benefit us all.

    Well said TKhan, though we don’t need to join, but we do have SAARC which is a South Asian union and more sensible for this modern age!

    Peace to all!

    AliRecommend

  • Adnan
    Jun 23, 2011 - 5:21PM

    @Hedgefunder:
    Get a life. Your constant negativism is tedious and boring.Recommend

  • Rock
    Jun 23, 2011 - 5:25PM

    @Nomad: Just one question do yo respect other religions. other cultures Are you a secular? If yes then only we will answer your question. Anyway world biggest minorities are living in India. That itself is miracle. Isn’t it? Recommend

  • ashwin
    Jun 23, 2011 - 5:32PM

    @sam : Dude Indonesia has a huge Hindu legacy, you got go out more to increase your knowledge , if u cant at-least surf the net you will find out.Religion is anyways a private matter not state subject in most countries which have something worthwhile to exhibit, unlike Pakistan.Anyways what has religion got to do with the Foreign secy meeting,stop using your green glasses always, world is multicolored. Recommend

  • Rock
    Jun 23, 2011 - 5:37PM

    @Nomad: There is one more thing my muslim friendr’s uncle lives in karachi Please meet him if posible. He has many problems with pakistan. Please help him to solve the misunderstanding about pakistan. He is continuously crying about the mistake made by adopting pakistani nationality 64 years ago. His indian family is safe but he is unsafe. Now he is very aged person. Please give him protection. He is also muslim. Khuda hafiz. Recommend

  • R S JOHAR
    Jun 23, 2011 - 5:42PM

    Dialogue is the only way out to solve the major issues between the two countries. I agree with the comments posted by T Khan but would like to assure him that nobody in India wants merger since both countries have their serious internal problems which need to be addressed on priority. The need of the hour is peace and nothing else matters.Recommend

  • goggi
    Jun 23, 2011 - 5:43PM

    @T Khan:
    Khan sahib I appreciate your comments and can positively confirm your views from my personal experiences with people from other side of the border. You missed to mention the great Indian scholar Chanakaya Kautiliya who was the student of the world renowned University of Taxila some 300 B.C. This man and his teachings holds till today a very high and respectful position in the contemporary acedemic India. Recommend

  • God Father
    Jun 23, 2011 - 5:53PM

    @Hedgefunder: you can try living with peace too with minorities being the largest hindu populated country on the face of earth.Recommend

  • Atlantique
    Jun 23, 2011 - 5:55PM

    @bulbul:
    Pakistan’s Kashmir obsession has made it a failed state. And the worst part is that i dont see u or your grandchildren being able to set foot in J&K. Keep Dreaming of that as your grandfather dreamt..
    Recommend

  • Hedgefunder
    Jun 23, 2011 - 6:14PM

    @Adnan:
    Sometimes Facts sound Harsh and Negative! It depends on which side of the fence one is sitting on!!Recommend

  • Tony Singh
    Jun 23, 2011 - 6:17PM

    @Nomad:
    What “Indian mindset” do you talk about? How about killing of fellow muslims in Pakistan on daily if not hourly basis? Is that to be termed as “Pakistani mindset”?Recommend

  • Menon
    Jun 23, 2011 - 6:23PM

    @T Khan:

    Well said. If can the mullah brigade the world over tostay quiet, things will progress towards a resolution and peace 21st century is not about the geography, it is about trade an economy and knowledge growth. Geographical boundaries are giving away to people to people interaction and understanding. Let us at least get started by first entering the 21st century. There is more in common than what differentiates usRecommend

  • goggi
    Jun 23, 2011 - 6:30PM

    Pakistani mangoes unite all religions of Indo-Pakistan in the wholesalers shop of our city in Germany. Either Sikhs, Christians, Hindus or Muslims, all flock around the fresh arrived cartons of mangoes, intoxicated from the most tasty mangoes of the whole world. Let us hope that our mangoes have a magical impact on our guests from India as well!Recommend

  • Rock
    Jun 23, 2011 - 6:35PM

    @God Father: India also has largest minority population on the face of earth. Isn’t this incredible?Recommend

  • Hedgefunder
    Jun 23, 2011 - 6:35PM

    @God Father:
    I travelled at least 4-5 times a year to India and spend time with my extended family and i have never seen animosity of the fashion that exists in Pakistani Society towards its minority communities.
    For your info, I have a Brother in Law who is Muslim, married to my cousin sister, and one of my family’s Driver too is Muslim, and has been with us for over 22 years !!
    I have never had any issues with them, infact in Ramadan, i hardly eat at home in the evening as there is always someone or others Aftar to be attended.
    my philosophy is similar to the great Ghalib! Recommend

  • anil
    Jun 23, 2011 - 6:39PM

    yes ,in this discusion Indian JK,Pak Kahmir including G-B should be discussed. Pak still controls 2/3rd of Kashmir ,the issue why every pakistanis raise. Our politicians should raise this issue vigoursly like the pak polticians. Lets not forget that it is a 2 side equation .Zero-sum game won’t work here.If they are not ready to maintain status quo ,then they sud be ready to face this issue. We are giving unnecessary leg-room to manouver .If we had acted like china ,thanks to their claim of Tibet and continued cliam of Taiwan, then pak would have understood. Recommend

  • God Father
    Jun 23, 2011 - 6:39PM

    @tony singh: that mindset which operates more than a dozen consulates in afghanistan near Pakistan border funding and providing ammunition to those so called TTP aka Pakistani Taliban killing hundres of Innocent Pakistanis on daily basis. That indian mindset which is backing brahamdagh bugti for serparist movement in baluchistan. Recommend

  • Atif
    Jun 23, 2011 - 7:06PM

    The problem between both the indus valley civilizations is their culture, they both are Marshall races, they are more satisfied while they are in war rather than in peace, both are religious fanatics (too much to quote) Although in a true sense, neither India is a secular state nor Pakistan is a Muslim state,
    Kashmir; Kashmiris were never for Pakistan nor for India, they want a separate state, Pakistan’s interests are linked with Kashmir and we cannot ignore them but we cannot put all of our eggs in Kashmir if we want to grow but Independent Kashmir may also become a greater problem for India Pakistan and China
    We Pakistanis are not arabs niether we are in any way linked with arabs except Islam in fact the Home to hindu civilization is Pakistan
    So over 60 years we have gained hate and blood for all this nonsense between the two countries, we should and we must find a peaceful way to settle our issues otherwise Pakistan will be the next Afghanistan (God Forbid)
    I am very hopeful of the new generation of Pakistan, they are educated and less vindictive from the previous generation, i hope Peace prevails, but the necessary ingredient to peace is 1) India to avoid imperialistic approach 2) Pakistan to cut religious extremism from the masses, God Bless us all Recommend

  • i miss lucy
    Jun 23, 2011 - 7:32PM

    all the indian commentors never failing to point fingers at pakistanis at these pages should also go and visit the story where pakistanis have saved their citizens from Somali Pirates out of sheer good will.Recommend

  • chandran
    Jun 23, 2011 - 7:36PM

    In future india hinduism will be preserved in indonesia not in india because here
    everybody start following westernaised culture.Recommend

  • Thomas
    Jun 23, 2011 - 7:40PM

    @Dr. Saleem Siddiqi:

    India don’t care about peace with Pakistan, all they ask is stop sendings terrorist to India. Whatever parts of Kashmir India, China and Pakistan have now is going to be it. No one is going to give territory away. India has gone to war 4 times, what is won in battle is not going to be given away in conversation. If pakistan wants to fight for another 1000 years feel free. India would handle it and the next time the reply will be much more grevious for Pakistan. So it is Pakistan’s choice.Recommend

  • Rock
    Jun 23, 2011 - 7:50PM

    The talks will go on for years. The problem will not resolve in day or teo. It needs series of discussions. I just found a pakistani name zaid hamid on youtube my friend forwarded me. Search this guy on youtube. Guys please listen to this guy. He is greatest entertainer. Enjoy.Recommend

  • T. Khan
    Jun 23, 2011 - 7:51PM

    The ‘two-nation’ theory was/has been a myth to justify hegemony of vested interests. Recommend

  • Atlantique
    Jun 23, 2011 - 8:15PM

    @Sam on ashok sai:
    Brother sam, i was also restraining myself and withheld negative comments. But that negativ comment from someone calling herself bulbul just needed to b replied to suitably.Recommend

  • Butt Seriously
    Jun 23, 2011 - 8:23PM

    Again…………… Why would this time be any different from the last Million times?Recommend

  • Hedgefunder
    Jun 23, 2011 - 8:43PM

    @God Father:
    Now you really do need to get your facts right first!!!
    In regards to Indian Consulates in Afghanistan, let me enlighten you the facts as they are and not as you or your fellow countrymen see them!!
    India has an Embassy in Kabul and has further 4 consulates located in Cities of Herat, Jalalabad, Kandhar, Mazar-e-Sharif, it is identical to Pakistan’s Diplomatic Operation in Afghanistan!!!
    So where do you get dozens of Cosulates from?? Which of these are based in borders of Pakistan???
    Indians do not have reputation of having Proxy Armies or Non State Acotrs to do its Business, which incidently the Pak army are renowned for !!!!!Recommend

  • Cautious
    Jun 23, 2011 - 9:09PM

    The elephant in the room that few want to talk about is the reality that in Pakistan the military doesn’t really report to the civilian govt — so when discussing issues of peace and security India is meeting with the wrong people.Recommend

  • harry
    Jun 23, 2011 - 9:34PM

    To take materialistic decisions, either president or prime minister has to stay in the country, but, fortunately or unfortunately, on the taxpayers’ expense, both of these keep travelling to various countries. I believe, their own safety is more important than the safety of their countryRecommend

  • bulbul
    Jun 23, 2011 - 10:11PM

    @Atlantique

    No, Pakistan’s leaders corruption has made it a failed state. As far as setting foot in J&K is concerned. I’ll happily do it the day your damn barbarian army gets out and leaves Kashmiris alone. You have never owned Kashmir and you never will.Recommend

  • Dr. Mohammad Azmi
    Jun 23, 2011 - 10:27PM

    I have never understood what my province, Sindh, or even Balochistan, FATA have to gain from Punjab’s demand and constant bickering with India over Kashmir.

    If only these punjabis ceased to exhibit their extremist attitude, our Province, and indeed our nation, Sindhudesh would progress much much faster.

    As it is we Karachiites are feeding the punjabis. But still we have no say in national affairs. We want to grow economically, socially and have full employment. if punjabis want to carry on with their stupid games, they should be allowed to do so at their own expense but not by endangering the economy of sindhudesh.

    I hope India opens up its borders in gujarat and allows sindhis an opportunity to trade. We are the same people, we have the same culture and are both active in business. I sincerely hope the government tries to open up trade between sindh and gujarat in india.

    Dr. Mohamad Azmi
    Nuremberg, GermanyRecommend

  • Jayant M
    Jun 23, 2011 - 10:34PM

    @ I miss lucy:
    5 Pakistani sailors are languishing in Mumbai because the GoP hasnt repatriated them after they were rescued by the Indian Navy from pirates. Ask your Govt to do so and please do something about the 40,000 or more Pakistanis stranded in Bangladesh for the last 40 years or so than worry about rescuing Indians :-).

    Atleast for two days some of the hotels in Islamabad would have got additional business from the visiting Indian delegation is all i have to say about the talks. Otherwise lot of jaw jaw only.

    To expect action by Pakistan against the terrorists and their handlers responsible for the massacre of Hindus, Jews and other non-muslims in Mumbai on 26th Nov 2009 has the same probability as the purported hell freezing over :), never gonna happen. And yes, the terrorists did ask people about the religion before sparing or killing the innocents. Recommend

  • G.Haider
    Jun 23, 2011 - 11:09PM

    Is not it the moral responisibility of the Indian leadership to fulfil the promise made by their great leader,Jawhar Lal Nehru(and publically announced too) with the people of Kashmir that the fate of the Valley will be decided as per their wishes? I can not foresee any improvement between the two countries unless the dispute of Kashmir is resolved.People of Kashmir have been suffering for the last over 60 years and the people of both India and Pakistan have been suffering too as the financial resources meant for their socio-economic development are being spent on purchase of arsenals.Recommend

  • Good guy
    Jun 24, 2011 - 2:30AM

    Gillian makes statement ” we will fight 1000 year from Kashmir” . so lets fight for 1000 year , no need to negotiation.Recommend

  • Sameer
    Jun 24, 2011 - 6:33AM

    Folks should get history on Kashmir right. Kashmir was not “about to become part of Pakistan.” The Maharaja was looking to decide and Pakistan sponsored militants to invade Kashmir thereby making his decision easy – he said “why would I want to be part of this violent country called Pakistan” and choose to be part of India for protection from these madmen.

    Kashmirs may not love India but they do not love Pakistan either. Get real.Recommend

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