‘Stable Afghanistan not worth abandoning strategic interests’

Published: June 19, 2011
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German minister quotes Gen Kayani, hesitates to offer more security aid. PHOTO: AFP

German minister quotes Gen Kayani, hesitates to offer more security aid. PHOTO: AFP

ISLAMABAD: 

Army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has told a visiting European delegation that “Pakistan wants a stable Afghanistan but not at the cost of Pakistan,” suggesting that Islamabad wants to remain relevant in any peace initiative and is unlikely to accept a solution that would undermine its strategic interests.

This revelation was made by German Minister for Economic Cooperation and Development Dirk Niebel, who is currently visiting Pakistan alongside his European Union counterpart.

“We have to find a solution (to this problem) and Pakistan’s cooperation with Germany and the EU can become the basis for the stability of the region,” said Niebel.

Niebel did not clarify what sort of endgame Germany or the EU had in mind for Afghanistan, where several European nations, including Germany, have thousands of troops stationed.

As a US ally and a frontline state in war against terrorism, Pakistan has had to bear over 35,000 civilian and more than 5,000 military causalities, in addition to economic losses of $68 billion, according to 2011 Economic Survey of Pakistan.

The German cabinet member appeared reluctant to commit to additional assistance for security. “We know that for our work we need a secure environment but we cannot make payments as much as you require,” he said.

Access to EU markets

Pakistan has been striving to get duty free access to the European markets under the Generalized System of Preference, known as GSP plus status, by 2013. The German minister said the EU has problems with Pakistan’s decision to introduce reservations in two international treaties relating to civil and political rights.

“The president and the prime minister of Pakistan have assured the delegation that Pakistan would diminish its reservations introduced in these two conventions,” said Niebel. If Pakistan withdraws these objections, it would address one of the major conditions for duty-free access to EU markets. Islamabad has raised ‘blanket objections’ on two international treaties on political and human rights following their ratification.

The EU believes the general and blanket nature of the reservations called into question other international obligations that Islamabad has undertaken including in terms of discrimination against women.

Under the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights a signatory state has to report about measures adopted to give the effect to rights in the Covenant. It should also indicate the factors and difficulties affecting the implementation of those rights. Pakistan has raised objection over the reporting clause and is hesitant to report on the state of human and political rights.

The German minister urged Pakistan to implement tax reforms. “For us as donors, a strong, big and proud country must do more than have revenues from only 1.5 million people out of a 180 million population as it is important for us to explain our taxpayers,” he added.

Published in The Express Tribune, June 19th, 2011.

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  • Mirza
    Jun 19, 2011 - 10:20AM

    Pakistan cannot be both a nuclear super power and an International beggar. They have to give up the dream of ruling the area and a power broker. Beggars cannot be the choosers. With the world economy slowing down, the foreign taxpayers have no desire to help people in bed with OBL. There should be no foreign aid except civilian aid in the form of goods only. No more cash at all.Recommend

  • Just Checking
    Jun 19, 2011 - 11:05AM

    Now watch for media cell of RAW jump to this story and call all their sleeping colleagues to start bashing pakistan and its army (in comments area).Recommend

  • Muhammad saeed
    Jun 19, 2011 - 11:18AM

    @Mirza…The term beggar used by most of hypocrites like you is irrelevant here…Germany..European union and America all are coming to Pakistan and then they are offering the aid or what so ever..we are not going to some one for the money..world want us to fight this war so they have to compensate our losses..now its the frustration and phobia of people like you towards Pakistan that shows the totally negative approach towards this issue.in this world no one gives a single penny to any one with out any benefit so what you think you are more intelligent then the world’s biggest economies who are spending billions on Pakistan for nothing….no peace will come to Afghanistan and then vice verse to the world if Pakistan’s interests are not take care of and you will see this all in the future..bark as much as you can..Recommend

  • MUNIB
    Jun 19, 2011 - 11:47AM

    I am a PAK and ashamed at the 3rd class thinking level and MINDSET of such a high level position in country. So we should ruin the whole world because we cant let PAK be unstable at the cost of the rest of the world being stable?
    What sort of mentality is infused in PMA KAKUL i wonder?
    PAK is sending terrorists to the whole world from Indonesia to Italy and from Germany to London and Mr. Kayani is saying the world should burn for PAK’s strategic interests?
    What right PAK has to decide what sort of country the AFG want? Every country has a complete right to decide its future. If PAK couldnt maintain good relations with Karzai its because of the fanatics from PAK madrassaz to sabotage the INDIAN relations with Karzai gov.

    Its pity that the world’s 7th nuclear power boss has this sort of mindset. No wonder why the world is worried that our nukes will get into the hands of Extremists.Recommend

  • Arif
    Jun 19, 2011 - 12:09PM

    @Muhammad saeed:

    But how the rest of the world sees Pakistan is exactly how Mirza has described it. It has become a international joke as far as aids are concerned. The term used by Mirza may be a bit harsh but that is how the rest of the world looks at Pak unfortunately.Recommend

  • Feroz
    Jun 19, 2011 - 12:12PM

    @Muhammad saeed:
    I cannot understand your rhetoric. Are you saying that Pakistan should continue to train, shelter, finance and arm terrorists like the past and then tell the World it is your War so please finance us. Or are you saying that the country must resort to Nuclear proliferation like in the past, if its financial needs are not met.
    Quote “.no peace will come to Afghanistan and then vice verse to the world if Pakistan’s interests are not take care of and you will see this all in the future”. Honestly please let readers know what are Pakistan’s interests – is it not the welfare of its people. Is it not the security of its citizens ? Please elaborate …..
    Thank You !Recommend

  • Siraj Ahsan
    Jun 19, 2011 - 12:12PM

    @Mirza:
    Just imagine the reason why we are not getting duty free access to EU is because we have objections on human and civil rights and then we consider ourselves part of this world.Recommend

  • Billoo Bhaya
    Jun 19, 2011 - 12:12PM

    @Muhammad saeed:
    Well said. Mirza lives in the UK and adumbrates homilies against Pakistan all the time!! As a British national he should be concerned more about that country. Mirza should ask the Germans who they gave Euro 110 billion to Greece last year and now have to fork out another Euro 100 billion to stave its bankruptcy. When they come to Pakistan, they pay pittance for using our transit system and then claim all the BS about their tax-payer. What hypocrites!!! We should levy Euro 10,000 for every container passing through Pakistan, instead a few hundred dollars.Recommend

  • Muhammad saeed
    Jun 19, 2011 - 12:26PM

    @MUNIB the issue with people like you is that you are all wanna be intellectuals..what kind of comment have you given here..what actually is your point…to let international players and India set up there own regime in Afghanistan without pashtoon led Taliban’s who are indigenous afghan people fighting against America to get rid of it from there soil..(Pakistani Taliban are terrorists as afghan Taliban have never owned them and have distanced them from these animals acts in Pakistan)..the only thing Pakistan is saying from years is that there will be no peace in Afghanistan and then in Pakistan if afghan Taliban are not involved in the process and that has been proved that AMERICA in doing talks with Taliban as per KARZAI’s statement yesterday…on other side India wants no part of afghan Taliban in negotiations..so me munib Afghanistan”s border is with Pakistan not with India..and we have to think what is good for us not for India…Recommend

  • Mirza
    Jun 19, 2011 - 12:30PM

    @Muhammad saeed:
    “….no peace will come to Afghanistan and then vice verse to the world if Pakistan’s interests are not take care of and you will see this all in the future..bark as much as you can”

    You have made my point with this statement. I still maintain that Pakistanis (not the army touts) have to decide whether they are the beggars or the blackmailers? We the US taxpayers are already talking directly with Taliban after our mission is completed with the death of OBL and exposing Pak army in bed with terrorists. Your language shows your level of education and maturity. For you,

    Dr. MirzaRecommend

  • Jun 19, 2011 - 12:32PM

    Vienna,19-06-2011
    I am reminded of poet Shudraka of about/ fifth sixth century who wrote the play “clay cart”.
    There is a Madrassa character, who is the uneducated “saala”, brother in law of the king.
    He says like the Pakistan military, ” I can kill a hundred women at a time I am brave
    and courageous!” The original in Prakrit because the saala is uneducated to use decent
    language runs ” itthiyanam shatam maremi; shure hage”. Looking at general comments
    I think Pakistan has enough of such brave and courageous “saalas”.
    Kulamarva BalakrishnaRecommend

  • Muhammad saeed
    Jun 19, 2011 - 12:51PM

    @Mirza The language used by me is far better then I use on you tube to let people like you watch the mirror..Americans have no morality to tell the people around the world who they are…you are the biggest terrorists of this world..all stupid tax payers like you give your money to kill innocent people all around the world in IRAQ in Afghanistan..and else where… your hands are full of the blood of innocent around the world..so its better for you to keep quite and don’t try to tell other nations who they are..first see your self who you are..murderers..killers..AMERICA is talking with Taliban only because you trapped in this hole that you don’t have any other choice…. Pakistan from the first day asked you stupid people try to differentiate between Taliban and Adelaida but buy not doing so you made this war hell for your self and for us..now after 10 long years you suddenly recognize that the path showed by Pakistan is the correct one and just let the talks begin..now next time you pay your tax try to pray for your sins as you tax is directly being used to kill innocent…and make sure you don’t tell any one who they are..and don’t try to give any lessons on morality and ethics..it does not look nice at all coming from your mouth…Recommend

  • Srinath
    Jun 19, 2011 - 12:53PM

    Before ISPR contradicts the statement, let me complement Gen Kayani for his candour in stating that stability in Afghanistan and Pakistan is a zero sum game.The General has articulated the Afghan policy, termed the strategic depth, pursued by the Pakistan establishment since Zia’s days. Recommend

  • MUNIB
    Jun 19, 2011 - 1:04PM

    @M.Saeed
    I dont need certificate from you for my Intellecual or otherwise abilities. Dont act like ISPR, the self certified thekdarz of PATRIOTISM. Secondly, who has given PAK the right to be thekdarz of what the AFG want? If they want to keep relations with INDIA, its their business. Why they should seek YOUR (PAK) NOC in their relations with INDIA or USA etc ? Wheter Karzai does any negotiations or not is their own business why they have to update PAK on its matters?

    The fact is since PAK has lost the battle in AFG even after breaking apart USSR and now realizing its failure, its trying to destabilize AFG in the name of “Strategic Depth”. No one stopped PAK from thinking “good” for itself, its PAK which is not only doing NO good for itself but presenting a heaven from terrorists around the world to destabilize AFG for its so called “Strategic Assests”. Same mentality which has led us here now. If PAK ARMY had people with brains in 80z we would have played safe like INDIA successfully did with USSR vs USA game. But again, if our ARMY had brains, obviously, if . . .

    How could there be brains in an ARMY which an official slogan of Jehadiz and “War Mongering” nature . . . and you know what i mean Recommend

  • MUNIB
    Jun 19, 2011 - 1:19PM

    No doubt ASMA JAHANGIR is 100% right
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwWC8serI4wRecommend

  • syed imran
    Jun 19, 2011 - 1:19PM

    All these hypocrites who criticise their country day in and dsy out should tell how much taxes they pay to take their country out of these crisis
    @ mirza no shame. You are always critical but what is your contributionRecommend

  • CPKS
    Jun 19, 2011 - 1:36PM

    ahhhh the good ol’ Strategic Depth….!!!!

    Looks like the light at the end of the Tunnel has still not reached the eyes of the Jurnails…Recommend

  • Hedgefunder
    Jun 19, 2011 - 1:41PM

    Why don’t Kayani just officially disclose to the world that, pakistan will not act against their Jihadi friends !!!
    than see what happens to Pak and its Army!!!!
    Bush was not wrong, when he said “we will blow you back to stone age””
    Now, why in the world any donar nation would be still willing to assist these stupid idiotic people any further??
    let the Jihadis solve their problems and provide Aid to them!!!
    In meantime there will no doubt be another coalition plans for Future Actions in pakistan!!
    Keep it up Pakistan, with the idiots that you have ruling at present, you really don’t need any enemies!!!!Recommend

  • R S JOHAR
    Jun 19, 2011 - 1:59PM

    Pakistanis need to ask Kayani one question- Will Pakistan which is in flames now be allowed to burn completely, to save the strategic assets of the military ?Recommend

  • Muhammad saeed
    Jun 19, 2011 - 2:32PM

    why have you not allowed my new comment…this is really making me angry..you are allowing comments of other people laballing us as a terrorist but not allowin my comments pass thorugh..well is this will go like this then i think all the comments will be from india not pakistan and why dont you go an publish in india instead of pakistan..what kind of attitude is this towards pakistani readers…Recommend

  • Syed
    Jun 19, 2011 - 2:40PM

    @ Mirza,
    Surely your lack of knowledge is evident here, all the intelligence reports, from USA to Arabs suggests that Pak Army didnt knew about Usama bin Laden living there. This is hypocrisy, double standard of your American regime, when our intelligence agencies were telling you for four years to talk to them you didnt and when we did it for stability of our region you accused us of supporting terrorist, now you are doing the same, and dont give me crap that its because the mission is completed with death of OBL, US has been talking to taliban for a year now, maybe thats how they got the info of UBL.
    About the term beggars, we supported the world on this whole war against terror, our economy more than 65 billion $ losses should we have some compensation ?!?! And please for the next time, try to be less proud. Your language shows the level of mental maturity that you have even after becoming an “educated” Doctor.Recommend

  • Syed
    Jun 19, 2011 - 2:43PM

    @ editor Express Tribune,
    every country is trying to do the same, finding its own interest in end game of Afghanistan war, be it China, Russia, Iran, India or USA, why are you trying to single out Pakistan as if only Pakistan is doing this??
    To Indians , please dont give me crap that India cares for Afghanistan, India is only there to isolate Pakistan. Recommend

  • Hedgefunder
    Jun 19, 2011 - 2:48PM

    @Mirza:
    I have recomended to an professor at SOAS in London to recomend to his Geopolitical Social Science Group to look at Pakistan, and look at how to change the nation, into one that can intergrate in Global Society!
    This Country really needs to change from top to bottom in every sphere of life, in order to survive, as without that, the demise is not far.Recommend

  • Siraj Ahsan
    Jun 19, 2011 - 4:00PM

    @Syed:
    So would it be fair to say… corruption has made them incompetent… In that case I think PML N’s demand to have greater control over what army spends is fair. Would you agree with me. One more thing… try to get hold of newsline it has a feature on an attack in 2006 in Lahore that was actually done by serving jawans!.. Alot of bad stuff coming out… realy unfair with people who did nothing but play with our destiny.Recommend

  • Hedgefunder
    Jun 19, 2011 - 4:10PM

    @Syed:
    So please enlighten us as to Pakistan’s intentions in Afghanistan???
    What has Pakistan done for Afghanistan?? Oh Yes ! they gave the world and Afghan People the Taliban!!!!
    Get real !! To Pakistan, Afghanistan situation is only a route to Milking Uncle Sam for Aid, It simply does not have an Policy for Afghanistan except to ensure its governed by its Friendly Taliban Friends, as to Afghans opinions , it really does not matter!
    India has so far Donated over $1 Billion, in form of Aid and assisting in building its infrastructure.
    It is in India’s interest to have an friendly Govt in Kabul which is also capable of providing stability in the country.
    its quite different to Pakistan’s policy!!!Recommend

  • G. Din
    Jun 19, 2011 - 4:19PM

    What Gen. Kayani is saying to the world is that I have this hapless nation suffering for decades now as a hostage. If you don’t want me to harm him, give me what I demand. How different are you from a mugger on a New York by-lane, General? Shameful! Disgraceful! Can the world depend on your “good” sense when it comes to deciding whether to use the nuclear “bum”? Sir, you seem to be bereft of any “good” sense at all!
    If Pakistan cannot exist without holding its weak neighour as hostage, it is time Pakistan disbanded, or is made to disband as a country. You have no rights beyond your geographical borders. It is open to question if you are able to exercise any even within those borders!Recommend

  • Billoo Bhaya
    Jun 19, 2011 - 4:22PM

    @Syed:
    @Muhammad saeed:
    Both of you have made appropriate comments about Mirza. He is an Indian sometimes he says he is in the UK and today he says in the US. Most likely on basis of his comments he will be in somewhere in India.

    I also have a bone to pick with ET. Many of my comments on Mirza have not been shown. Is Mirza related to anyone at ET that he enjoys preference??? Indian newspapers do not allow easy access compared to Pakistani papers do. So every hour of the day they make wild accusations and hostile remarks against our religion and our armed forces. I think we can do without such remarks. We have issues among ourselves but we as a family will sort them out without anyone’s advice. Thank you. Recommend

  • Billoo Bhaya
    Jun 19, 2011 - 4:26PM

    To my fellow Pakistani’s: please ignore comments made by Indians. Debate among yourselves. ET has a warped policy of permitting comments that are hostile and meant to provoke you. But stay calm, just ignore them or simply don’t buy or read ET if this goes on.Recommend

  • FactCheck
    Jun 19, 2011 - 4:31PM

    @Mirza:

    People of the world lost their desire to help Pakistan long time ago. The evidence is glaring in the difficulty of finding donors for last years flood. According to relief organizations, most of the money is coming from none other than Pakistani Expats. People are tired of the two timing games and their money not going to the victims and have already said enough-is-enough.Recommend

  • FactCheck
    Jun 19, 2011 - 4:33PM

    @Just Checking:

    Now the German Minister is in the control of CIA-RAW-Mossad. What an unstoppable trio, what are you going to do about it?Recommend

  • Arslan
    Jun 19, 2011 - 4:38PM

    @Hedgefunder:
    Pakistan has helped their Afghan brothers against the Soviets. And when I say ‘brothers’, it has to be taken literally : the 35.64 million Pashtuns in Pakistan just care about the 13.46 million Pashtuns in India (the ISI-director who funded the Talibans with CIA’s William Casey was a Pashtun: Akhtar Abdur Rehman Khan.)
    And why do I bring the Pashtuns ? Because that’s it: India and Pakistan’s Afghan policy is based on socio-ethnic differences, Pakistan taking advantage of its influence on Afghan Pashtuns, and India profiting of Tajiks anti-Pakistan sentiments (cf. Ahmed Shah Massoud.)
    Both have interests, none wants to ‘help the Afghans’. Stop presenting politics with such glamour.Recommend

  • Muhammad saeed
    Jun 19, 2011 - 4:38PM

    @Hedge go ant tell your funny stories some where else..Pakistanis are not interested in you cheap language..we don’t care how long you will stereotype Pakistanis.. as a Pakistani I know my people…your attitude just sums up the frustration..phobia and hate towards Pakistan nothing else..and i.e what unite us more…I will recommended you to immediately attend psychiatrist as may be you are having nightmares of Pakistanis about……….Pakistan knows there entrust and don’t need fool and idiots like you to tell us what to do…its better to keep you rotten comments with you….india and indians are like a bee jamalooo… whooo just wanted to get as much benefit as they can from this difficult situation of Pakistan and Pakistanis…the whole idea is to keep destabilize Pakistan and enjoy…sick people..

    @Mirza Americans don’t have any morality to tell some one else who they are..look at your self the biggest terrorists of the world. your hands are full of the blood on innocent people..first look you face in the mirror then teach some one else the lesson..people wh go around the world and kill innocents don’t have any morality to point fingers to any one else…shame is the word for you..Recommend

  • FactCheck
    Jun 19, 2011 - 4:43PM

    @syed imran:

    Dr. Mizra is US tax payer like I, so both of our contribution is the money we give you year and year out to bridge your budget and the military hardware we give you to fight terrorists in your own country which, military and civilian leaders stash in foreign bank accounts. With all the money we have given you, your economy should have been larger than S.Korea by now. Instead, you pick unnecessary fights in your neighborhood to keep the citizens in state of utter fear and terror.

    Understand?Recommend

  • Hedgefunder
    Jun 19, 2011 - 4:50PM

    @Billoo Bhaya:
    Don’t rate ypurselves so highly!!! € 10,000 !!!! Have you seen that much amount????
    What Mirza said is very true, and incidently he does not live in Uk, but in US.Recommend

  • FactCheck
    Jun 19, 2011 - 4:56PM

    @Hedgefunder:

    Let me add, if Pakistan give Afghanistan land transit rights to Afghanistan for transporting goods to India, Afghan economy will grow, their income will grow, have market for their for agricultural products.

    Go Delhi and how coveted Afghan Rugs and Apple are. Afghanistan is unable to supply enough to reach rest of the country.

    This is the main difference in the relationship of India and Afghanistan and Afghanistan and Pakistan. If Pakistan continues with its archaic “strategic depth theory and at the cost of Pakistan mentality”, it is going to cost you immensely in the long run, Afghanistan will surpass Pakistan’s economy and will start giving you aid as will Bangladesh in a decade or two.

    Pakistan is a country created by Zamidars for Zamidars and remains the same and at the current level of thinking will remain the same in the foreseeable future. 1.8 million people pay taxes out of 180 million, what does that tell you of 179.2 million Pakistani patriots?Recommend

  • ani
    Jun 19, 2011 - 5:01PM

    North Korea and Pakistani School of Diplomacy and Negotiatons:

    I am so crazy, you give me what I want. Or else, I will injure myself first and my neighbors too. And you will take the blame.
    If I can’t have you, no one else will either
    Give me what I want or else, you better follow rule number 1.
    Recommend

  • Hedgefunder
    Jun 19, 2011 - 5:21PM

    @Arslan:
    I am not presenting Politics of Afghanistan with Glamour at all, but sadly with the facts as they stand!!! We in UK too have paid heavy price for the mess on your doorstep created by your irresposible ruler’s policies and creation of Taliban !!!
    Don’t bring the ethnic diversity of these nation into question as we all are aware of it.
    nothing new !
    Did Pakistan consider or take into account views of the Afghan People when they created and endorsed the Taleban?? Sadly not as they simply did not care about their welfare or opinion, as it was only concerned of its own agenda!!!!
    In regards to Indian Interest, well at least they are trying to influence the people with acts of goodwill and assistance to the tune of Billion dollars, rather than impose on them their will and agenda as Pakistan has done in past and is still trying to do at present!!!
    Pakistan ought to sort out its own internal crises in NW first, for any successful outcome in Afghanistan, which sadly they will not do as they know perfectly well that it would be an end to their Gravy train of Aid and Importance of any Significance on global Stage!!!Recommend

  • Tauseef
    Jun 19, 2011 - 5:40PM

    Imagine people commenting that we are not beggars as it’s the European countries who are coming to us and not the other way round. What kind of twisted people are they? Blackmailers all the way!Recommend

  • Hedgefunder
    Jun 19, 2011 - 5:44PM

    @ani:
    Yes i think that the current crop of generals in Pakistan have certainly learned this from their freindly North Korean counterparts, who have always acted in this fashion with Japan and South korea!
    Now the Pak generals too think that this doctrine will work!! but they have miscalculated their vision here, and if in event of this situation arising than no doubt US and Europe will not sit around twidding their thumbs and looking on as the Pak Army has been doing with the view to NW!!!
    They will consider Pakistan as Direct Threat to their Nations and declare an Policy of Clear and Present Danger, to Pakistan.
    I am sure such scenios and options have already been considered and presented to their Govts by their Intelligence Agencies!!!Recommend

  • Jun 20, 2011 - 12:14AM

    Kayani needs to be reminded that Afghanistan is not the 5th province of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Just Checking
    Jun 20, 2011 - 3:04AM

    I wonder why Indians are so obsessed with Pakistani army and its GeneralsRecommend

  • Sameer Khan
    Jun 20, 2011 - 5:18AM

    Some dotheads (Raw agents) post comments as there from PAK, your hate for Pakistan as a country shows you are just a paid RAW agent (a non Pakistani). As a common Pakistani, everyone know that Mullahs are not even 5% people, they are most poor & they have no power even to turn on electricity in their homes or poor towns let alone go to high society & security towns like Islamabad or other military cantonments (Abadabad is not one of them) and steal something meaningful. Mullahs can not pass through military installans buried under mountains. It’s more easy to buy ukranian nukes (where abouts noted by CIA) just as you can buy their women (for MONEY) in Dubai for example, then the Paki Nukes (where abouts not known by anyone). Recommend

  • Sameer Khan
    Jun 20, 2011 - 5:28AM

    Too mnany Indians taking about Pakistan, just hate hate , go fix the cast system in your country first.Recommend

  • Arijit Sharma
    Jun 20, 2011 - 6:32AM

    @Just Checking: ” …. I wonder why Indians are so obsessed with Pakistani army and its Generals …. ”

    Because they closet jihadists. Recommend

  • R S JOHAR
    Jun 20, 2011 - 9:59AM

    @Just Checking:
    The truth of the matter is that majority of Indians are highly concerned about the deteriorating situation in Pakistan since spill-over to our country is imminent if situation goes out of hand in Pakistan, which will adversely affect India. You must be aware of the famous saying that ‘One should not rejoice seeing his neighbour’s house on fire because his house would be next to be consumed by the same fire’.

    This reply is on behalf of all Indians to all my Pakistani friends who feel quite offended on many Indians comments on ET regarding matters pertaining to Pakistan. Thanks. Recommend

  • Hedgefunder
    Jun 20, 2011 - 1:39PM

    @Sameer Khan:
    Well its in lot better shape than the minorities are in pakistan, have a look at the Number of people from lower caste involved in Politics, Business, Education, etc.
    One only has to look at CM of the largest state in India, UP.
    Can you show me any such examples that exist in Pakistan???Recommend

  • Hedgefunder
    Jun 20, 2011 - 1:45PM

    @Just Checking:
    The Indian are not obsessed with Pak Generals! Its more of a case of not trusting them as they have an Track record of their Adventures in Past. Remember Kargil ???
    Just what exactly were they feeding the local media at the time about their involvement??
    How long did it take them to even acknowledge the casualties of their own men,after the conflict??
    That should give you some idea as to why the Indians like to keep an eye on them!!
    Its not an Obsession, its observance.Recommend

  • vasan
    Jun 20, 2011 - 5:18PM

    Why cant the Pak army vacate its position on foreign policy issues so that civilian govt can decide on what it wants. Recommend

  • Fahim
    Jun 21, 2011 - 11:18AM

    I almost read all the comments here, as an Afgan young writer, half Pashton/half Tajik, I honestly want to remind it to Pakistanies and especially to Kayani that the time for exploiting of Afghanistan by Pak is gone. After a decade of soft stable situation in Afghanistan which was concurrent with bearing of hundreds of media channels and spreading of huge amount of information, most of the Afghans, especially Tajiks, Hazaras and the majority of Pashtoons are turned agianst Pakistan. Every explosion by Taliban sprays and deepen the hate agianst Pakistan and ISI.

    PeaceRecommend

  • saeed
    Jun 22, 2011 - 4:40PM

    dear fahim as a pakistani also the hate towards afghanistan is growing..here also after every explosion and killings our anger grows towards you as it is your soil being used against pakistan as same you think for us….what is happening for the last week is infront of you..militants regularly coming from afghsnitan atttack in pakistan and by giving luxury spaces for the consulates to india near our borders shows how much you are also involved in the destabilization of pakistan..you say we support afghan taliban we say you support pakistani taliban…from where are they getting all the weapons and millions of ruppes to conduct there operations against pakistan..all the baloch insurgents and terrorist get training and funds from afghanistan..they are living there conducting all the violence from there by the support of india..now I have showed you the other side of the coin..what will you think about it…the thing is that india want pakistan and afghanistan to become enemy..inida’s ambitions are to use afghanistan as a proxy agaisnt pakistan for its evil dreams which it has since our independence..we pakistanis have given millions of afgans refugees homes, work and a good life..during all these years..even we sufferd alot becuase of afghanis coming to pakistan but as a brother nation we tolerated…but the kind of attitude you are showing towards us just shows how much you guys are influnced by indian propoganda..we are your immediate neighbors not india…thats other thing that you want your souls to be sold to indian money….Recommend

  • vasan
    Jun 23, 2011 - 7:05AM

    Saeed : What a pathetic lecture to cover up ur misdeeds in Afganistan. Pl think,. It was Pakistan in Zia era along with CIA which screwed up Afganistan by promoting jihad and Taliban. Except you and Saudi no other country even bothered to recognize the Taliban govt. It was that inhuman and cruel towards its own public. Who will wash the sins of pakistan in Afganistan. What has India done in Afganistan., Donate infrastructure and money and training. People have seen thru Pak games in Afganistan and no one wants to support you. If one attack from Afganistan is making your anger grow, guess what will be the Indian anger after 63 years of torturous neighbour in the form of Pakistan. And pl dont lecture about selling souls to India, YOu have no soul left, it was sold to US, Saudi and China many times over.Recommend

  • saeed
    Jun 23, 2011 - 10:43AM

    @Vasan hahahah how come you are answering on behalf of a Aghani..who gave you the authority..ohhh sorry your are building there infrastructure and giving them money so it is your right… i forgot that……don’t jump on you joker with your frustration…I have addressed this comment to fahim in reply to his views…..i don’t want any indian cry baby to come again and then sing the same old song which you guys have been singing since the fall of Taliban…don’t try to push me to tell you your real face it will be very hard for you to digest as you guys don’t want to face reality…what about your dear MODI what he did to his people was worst then Taliban…instead people are saying he will be the next PM of India..he butchered you own citizens with hundreds of people witness to that including the widow of ahsan Jeffery even then he is not punished..indian secularism and liberalism has failed so many times that now it does not suit any indian to say that…people responsible for Sikh holocaust of 1984 are still be punished and the story goes on and on…I want to stick to the article….see all the comments and most of Pakistanis will realize that there government and army has made mistakes in the past as we are all creeping the crop we started as afghan jihad we all know that and as a society we are trying to get rid of this extremism built over 20 years and it will take some time…but what fascinates me is how India enjoy this situation of Pakistan…it is like they want Pakistan to remain like this so that they can spread as much negativity against Pakistan they want..Recommend

  • vasan
    Jun 23, 2011 - 12:09PM

    Saeed; I think you ranted without thinking. Pl read your post. Since you dragged India unnecessarily I have answered your post. And about authority to reply, it is not your right. So read it if u want or ignore it at your peril. And by the way you have dragged unconnected issues into this article shows you have no defense to my argument which squarely pitches the blame on Pakistan for all the sufferings of Afganistan. You guys have no sane way of discussing any issue without dragging India. Then be prepared to listen or read the truth. And see in the mirror.Recommend

  • vasan
    Jun 23, 2011 - 12:25PM

    Saeed: And one more point. Pl for heavens sake dont think that India or Indians are enjoying what Pakistan is going thru. We have lots of sympathies for your sufferings, men and material. We keep harping on your history and trying hard to make Pakistanis understand that what pakistan is going thru is due to its own past deeds and not because of RAW/CIA/MOSSAD conspiracies. We do this with the fond hope that Pakistan govt and establishment under pressure from civil societies will do course correction rather than dig deeper into its games that have brought havoc more to Pakistan and its neighbourhood.
    What we enjoyed and will enjoy are the games like WC semi finals and finals. Recommend

  • 50Cal
    Jun 28, 2011 - 6:57PM

    please explain to me how the following: “Pakistan wants a stable Afghanistan but not at the cost of Pakistan,” translates into ‘Stable Afghanistan not worth abandoning strategic interests’. I am all for self criticism but this is truly sad that our media is chooses to resort to typical unsubstantiated rhetoric.Recommend

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