Conspiracy theories: Is the hidden hand Indian, internal or existential?

Published: May 24, 2011
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A plume of smoke rises from the background as a military official uses a phone at the entrance to the Mehran naval aviation base which was attacked by militants on Sunday at 11 pm. Militants attacked the base, killing at least 10 people, officials said, the latest attack on a heavily guarded military installation in Pakistan. PHOTO: REUTERS

A plume of smoke rises from the background as a military official uses a phone at the entrance to the Mehran naval aviation base which was attacked by militants on Sunday at 11 pm. Militants attacked the base, killing at least 10 people, officials said, the latest attack on a heavily guarded military installation in Pakistan. PHOTO: REUTERS

ISLAMABAD: 

The questions and conspiracy theories about the well-executed attack on PNS Mehran have begun to circulate. But a look at existing patterns, threats and warning signs helps connect the dots.

Target

While other attacks have targeted military personnel, the PNS Mehran attack is different in that it directly targeted the P-3C Orion aircraft. “The attack has rendered the navy deaf and dumb,” said security analyst Ikram Sehgal. “The P-3C aircraft acts as the navy’s ears and eyes. There are three basic elements — anti-submarine warfare, radar capabilities and electronic intelligence.”

According to the US Navy, “Originally designed as a land-based, long-range, anti-submarine warfare patrol aircraft, the P-3C’s mission has evolved in the late 1990s and early 21st century to include surveillance of the battle space, either at sea or over land.” The aircraft attacked on Sunday were inducted into the navy in June 2010, as part of US military assistance to Pakistan. A press release at the time said that Pakistan Navy will receive eight P-3C aircraft by 2012.

Why the navy?

Pakistan’s armed forces have been under attack by militants for several years now, however the navy has rarely been targeted. In 2008, seven people were killed in a suicide attack at Lahore’s Naval War College. On December 1, 2009, a suicide bomber blew himself up at the naval headquarters in Islamabad.

On April 26, 2011, four people were killed and 26 were injured in twin bomb blasts on naval buses in Karachi. Two days later, six people were killed and seven injured in another attack on a bus carrying naval personnel near the Karsaz base. “These were soft targets,” says Sehgal. “But it should have been questioned as to why technicians, who were going to and from the naval base, were being targeted.”

While Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan spokesperson Ehsanullah Ehsan claimed responsibility for the attack, Sehgal believes that the beneficiaries of Sunday’s attack are countries that have ‘had designs on Pakistan’, and that this had “India’s Research and Analysis Wing’s signature all over it”. He said it was “far fetched” to believe that the attack could be retribution for the Pakistan Navy’s role in Combined Task Force 151, an international anti-piracy fleet that was commanded by the Pakistan Navy earlier this year.

Internal involvement

The security of Pakistan’s military bases has been in question for several years now. The attack on the military’s general headquarters in Rawalpindi in 2009 as well as frequent attacks on security check posts, bases and training centres is part of a pattern, both of infiltration of and radicalisation in the security forces, and the lack of adequate security measures.

A precedent for involvement by military personnel exists. Investigation into an assassination attempt on former president General (retd) Pervez Musharraf found that the ammunition had been taken from a Pakistan Air Force (PAF) depot. Seven military officials — six of whom were from the air force — were convicted by a military court along with six civilians. According to a Dawn report in 2010, explosives used in the attacks on Karachi’s Abdullah Shah Ghazi shrine were ‘sophisticated military explosives’.

A US embassy cable from 2006, which was released this month by WikiLeaks, highlights radicalisation in the air force. The cable quotes then-Deputy Chief of Air Staff for Operations Air Vice Marshal Khalid Chaudhry as saying that the airmen, most of who came from rural villages, were being radicalised by extremist clerics.

The cable quotes Chaudhry as saying, “You can’t imagine what a hard time we have trying to get them to trim their beards.”

The cable also reveals that Chaudhry claimed “to receive monthly reports of acts of petty sabotage, which he interpreted as an effort by extremists among the enlisted ranks to prevent PAF aircraft from being deployed in support of security operations in the Federally Administrated Tribal Areas along the Afghan border.”

Radicalisation in the security forces was highlighted earlier this year when Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer was assassinated by a member of the Elite Force squad in Islamabad on January 4. A Los Angeles Times report in February highlighted the case of Zahid Manzoor Bajwa, a Punjab police official who had access to intelligence reports and is believed to have passed them on to the Taliban.

The PNS Mehran attack would have also required significant surveillance, which militant organisations have been able to conduct in the past, given their success at attacking the military’s Rawalpindi headquarters and buildings belonging to the Inter-Services Intelligence, Federal Investigation Agency and the Crime Investigation Department.

In the early 2000s, al Qaeda operatives had reportedly surveyed Karachi’s ports in preparation for a planned attack on the Strait of Hormuz and other ports used by the US Navy, according to the files of Guantanamo Bay detainees published by WikiLeaks.

A unique experience

A huge billboard outside the naval air force headquarters, which came under sustained attack for hours on Monday, says it all – “Pakistan Air Force Museum. Unique experience”.

“If these people can just enter a military base like this, then how can any Pakistani feel safe?” asked Mazhar Iqbal, 28, engineering company administrator taking a lunch break in the shade outside the complex where a crowd had gathered on a patch of grass to watch journalists set up camp as much as anything

He said he was from an insecure area of the city already infamous as a source of funding for militant groups.

“The government and the army are just corrupt. We need new leaders with a vision for Pakistan.”

Moin Babar, 35, a technical engineer, said people were trying to understand how the militants made it inside. “I heard that 15 went in through a sewer,” he said. Kamran Khalil, 48, a civil engineer, suggested, like many others, a conspiracy. “How can this happen? It’s taking them so long to resolve the issue. India or the CIA could have been behind this. They want to show that Pakistan forces are ineffective.”

Many in Pakistan were furious with the US operation to kill Bin Laden without sharing any intelligence beforehand with Islamabad, which they saw as a severe breach of sovereignty. “This is all a reaction to American policy in Pakistan,” said Atif Ali, a 30-year-old construction worker, standing near one billboard advertising audio equipment in which a beautiful woman says “Let’s play” and another advertising pizza.

with additional input by reuters

Published in The Express Tribune, May 24th, 2011.

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  • May 24, 2011 - 2:10AM

    Good comments from my friend Rashid Orakzai
    “Blame it on India, but never show us their ‘Kasab’.”Recommend

  • Shez
    May 24, 2011 - 2:36AM

    It was incompetency of the military nonetheless. Just surprised how Rehman Malik claimed that India was not involved at 3 am when he just reached Karachi. Hours before TTP reportedly claimed responsibility. Whoever is behind the attack, it is high time that the culprits be punished — or fully exposed if foreign hand is involved.Recommend

  • ani
    May 24, 2011 - 2:57AM

    Oh yes – this is a 100% RAW operation. These chaps were dressed in stars war like fashion as claimed by Rehman Malik. Two ran away – only RAW could be so dull and cowardly! And now Ikram Sehgal – the big time defense analyst has said the same. Hamid Gul is already on many channels confirming this. How can so many people be wrong! I forgot Zahid Hamid – he is always reporting from within ISI HQ – he knows the truth. Muslims never do this kind of stuff. Recommend

  • Santosh
    May 24, 2011 - 2:57AM

    Hmmmm…..interesting stories!

    Not even 12 hrs have passed since the attack took place, you have not even conducted post mortem….yet, you have instant answers! Amazing!! These conspiracy theories are actually more fun than tabloid gossip. Why doesn’t the writer provide his/her inputs to the government? Such events wouldn’t occur then.Recommend

  • Ibrahim
    May 24, 2011 - 3:35AM

    Well I am sure what ever happened in Karachi it was India or CIA was behind that and they just doing all this to show world that the navy military and the people are not safe how come they can protect nuclear well they just want Pakistan nuclear and about bin laden even many time before we heared by American bin laden has been kill and I really do belive that of they had caught him or they got his body first they will take that body to America and show the world we are the winner what we were fighting for we get him and we are the winner and Obama is just making all dream election are very near so this all drama is for election and ALLAH is with Pakistan and all the Pakistani people are ready for sacrifice there life for Pakistan and India and America will never ever successful in there bad dream there dreams will be dreams and the world trade centre was also inside job 100percent more then 50percent of American belive that was inside job And American always keep talking about world trade centre in Pakistan we are passing each day as 9/11 in those building 3000something people die but in Pakistan everyweek is more then that I don’t understand only American are human not rest of world Recommend

  • Imtiaz Ali
    May 24, 2011 - 5:35AM

    Which dots have you connected? Just another summary of the various conspiracy theories present in Pakistan.Recommend

  • amjad
    May 24, 2011 - 6:13AM

    The sooner this country stops blaming others for its own stupidities, the better it will be. For God sake fix what is wrong and move forward. Recommend

  • jagjit sidhoo
    May 24, 2011 - 6:28AM

    In the 1970’s when Indira was PM our govt used to blame the FOREIGN hand for all the ills that beset India over a period of time i have realized that sometimes there is a FOREIGN hand but mostly it is your own ineptitude . Pakistan has to get out of this mindset of looking for the Foreign hand in everything most of the causes are internal . However where a FOREIGN hand enters your country with evil intentions CUT it.Our govt is also to soft on captured terrorists the long court trials and mercy petitions of persons on death row are testimony to this . Be firm on the law breaker and kind to the law abiding citizen.Recommend

  • ghairatmand
    May 24, 2011 - 6:59AM

    I would be proud Indian if it is proved and not just claimed that this was handiwork of Indian RAW. I would be glad that they have enough courage to carry out such task. But alas I will be equally (but for different reason) disappointed as my Pakistani brothers to find it was not RAW. Sigh!!!!!!Recommend

  • ghairatmand
    May 24, 2011 - 7:02AM

    I will be glad to if it can be proved and not just claimed that it was an Indian RAW handiwork. It would be good to know they finally showed courage and capability to carry out such a bold task. But alas I will be equally ( but for different reason ) disappointed as my Pakistani brothers to find that it was not RAW. Sigh!!!!Recommend

  • Arindom
    May 24, 2011 - 8:07AM

    The chickens have surely come home to roost!Recommend

  • Avanti
    May 24, 2011 - 8:24AM

    Great analysis. I am completely confused now. I thought it was the US who wanted to destroy what it gave to Pakistan as Pakistan is now going to China!Recommend

  • satyram
    May 24, 2011 - 8:42AM

    “People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones”

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/174764/headley-trial-handlers-were-members-of-isi/Recommend

  • muhammad jawed
    May 24, 2011 - 9:01AM

    we have become so sick in trying to avoid the truth that our brains have become incapable of thinking in a sane,rational manner.We can’t face the truth so we find refuge in wild conspiracy theories about yahodis & kafirs.

    it’s time we became brave enough to accept that the problem lies within,that 34000 of our lives have been lost due to islamic fundamentalism.These islamic terrorists want to take us back to the dark ages with their barbaric beliefs,rituals & practices.

    why are our people so unintelligent that they become intimidated of anyone with a beard,that their lips become sealed when debating anything with a person who doesn’t shave.It’s time we shed our fear of the bearded ones & confronted their bigotry,homophobia & misogyny head on.We’ve allowed the religious barbarians to scare us into silence for far too long.Recommend

  • fahad majeed
    May 24, 2011 - 9:04AM

    yup,blame everything on the yahodis & never take responsiblity for our own actions.This filth is our own,these terrorists are the production of the madrassas which are nothing but breeding grounds for another generation of holy terrorists.

    it’s time we confronted reality instead of hiding our heads in the sand like ostriches,” yeh hamara hi gund hai,aur hum inko paltay hain chanday aur khairat dekay”.

    it’s time we closed down the madrassas or took them under govt. control where secular education is taught instead of the religious hate & bigotry that is taught at present.Recommend

  • Naqi
    May 24, 2011 - 9:05AM

    Nice oneRecommend

  • Raza
    May 24, 2011 - 9:16AM

    Anyone who says that INDIA cant be involve are ONE who are being funded by Indians. Even if it was done BY TTP/ALQEDA then the damage is only going to benefit INDIA, noone else because planes were taken to spy any Indian activity. If you are just not willing to accept then Don’t! call other as conspiracy theorists. No wonder ppl like you would try your best to save asse s from across the broderRecommend

  • May 24, 2011 - 9:16AM

    India your friend?Recommend

  • faraz
    May 24, 2011 - 9:19AM

    Well a RAW agent won’t meet the leader of an extremist group and introduce himself as a RAW agent, then give money to execute a specific attack. Such hidden hands can never be traced. What can be traced is the terrorist group that is involved which recruits people from inside the country and is based most probably in FATA. Recommend

  • Sunil Vohra
    May 24, 2011 - 9:33AM

    So,finally the blame game begins!!And what better flogging horse than India!!!Recommend

  • father of goat
    May 24, 2011 - 9:36AM

    The “hand” was always visible. But, Pakistanis choose to ignore its existance.
    The “hand” in fact was a strategic asset!!Recommend

  • sumeet
    May 24, 2011 - 9:46AM

    some people will never learn.instead of spining conspiracy theory,i request ET to do some investigation into the matter and bring the truth infront of the public.and regarding RAW involvement,i must tell you that raw has diminished presence in pak and it was stated by none other than a former RAW offical.since last two decades,RAW in pakistan has inactivated due to the prime ministers of respective period.so no need to cry foul.go and clean the millitants.Recommend

  • I. Zubeir
    May 24, 2011 - 10:08AM

    @satyram:
    you wait for your free expedited delivery w/o any air freight charges, as promised the delivery will be timely
    btw who killed the cock-robin, Karkare, & who burnt the Samjhota express, did you ever find out ? Share the intelligence no matter how RAW it is.Recommend

  • I. Zubeir
    May 24, 2011 - 10:10AM

    Its more than one pair of hands that are working in favor of many like the hindi, the baloch & our favorite allies who look after the interests of all.Recommend

  • vasan
    May 24, 2011 - 10:18AM

    Zia Ur Rehman : Is there one??Recommend

  • Abdulaziz Khattak
    May 24, 2011 - 10:35AM

    I think it’s time we cut on the ration for our army. All they do is eat subsidized food. If they can’t protect the military installations, how are they going to protect citizens?
    Ahem, sorry I said that, because they aren’t protecting anyone.Recommend

  • Jawaid siddiqui
    May 24, 2011 - 10:44AM

    I agree that this attack was a typical military planned set up by RAW and the CIA. Our interior minister himself need to go through a training to understand the “Word” intelligence. The poor chap cant even see behind the curtain. You need to be a rocket scientist to blame everything on Taliban. Taliban are far from thinking of this kind of operation. Both India and US are ultimate beneficiaries to show that our forces are not capable of safeguarding the nuclear assets. By the way what does armed forces have to do with running of marriage lawns, housing schemes and arena club…? People who live in Karachi know exactly how these places are open for rent by any one for just few hundred thousand Rs…..! When we needed the President, or prime minister or the forces chief to come out in public and say what exactly had happened, we saw President distributing awards to traders on Mon, PM was nowhere to be found and the “Chief” was as usual silent to support the so called democracy. Both “Shareefs” and then “Hussain””Wali” Fazal” and others were having a fast just like nothing had happened. Our leaders have two liners condemn statements ready all the time. I doubt if any of our leaders know the spelling and real meaning of the word “strategy”! we all should realize that we are at war not with Taliban only but also with India and US…! In this age of scientific world you do not need to declare the war…..! See how CIA sponsored RAW dominated Taliban style attack has left our strategic thinkers mouth wide open…? I only surprise that whole country’s top defense team with choppers was participating in the operation and yet we hear our interior minster saying that two of the attackers have escaped….! Does not it sound like a joke! My heart goes emotional with the families of all those who fought our battle and got “shaheed” yesterday…we salute our heroes but not to our so called self imposed leaders! Recommend

  • Mir
    May 24, 2011 - 11:22AM

    Consider this. Navy has been a very small component of sub continental warfare. In general both India and Pakistan have ignored their navies. P3 Orions therefore were generally less used. If destroyed, Pakistan can charge USA for the money. Under coalition support fund and other war related expenses. If this is disbursed in cash, the establishment can dip in to this and fill their pockets. Recommend

  • chebbo
    May 24, 2011 - 11:23AM

    PNS Mehran base attack has once again reminded us our traditional and existential rival India’s designs. After OBL episode, India provoked Pakistan in commenting their mode of attacks on Pakistan Naval base, and it didn’t go through sea route suggested in the presumed attack. But it was carried out through land. How come those terrorists got hold of the latest amunition? After OBL’s killing, logically Taliban or TTP could have been short of funds because OBL financed them. Who provided them these funds or the ‘state of the art amunition’ as it was released during TV breifing by one of TV anchor. Are India, Israel and America not behind the PNS Base attack? Because they want to weaken Pakistan defence capabilities to boast new Americans – Indian alliance in the region besides sending messages to your forces that if they can strengthen your militarily thay can also contribute to diminish your military might. That’s what is happening in Pakistan and the hatred the pakistani people and some of army units expressed against U.S.A. It’s time that each element of the society discharge his / her duties properly. Is it not true that many NGOs run through American aid in the world and in Pakistan? Who can prevent these NGOs sharing, providing sensitive information to Pakistan’s enemies. Look what happened in Iran whose intelligence services caught thirty people spying for U.S.A. That’s the point to pender over in the aftermath of PNS Mehran base.
    Secondly, Is not it true that the Kashmir issue is the core and the most burning issue between two geographically bifurcated countries? Is it not true that RAW and Blackwater have covert agents in Pakistan. Is not it true that TTP is supported and financed by CIA? Is it not true that India has always had caressed, projected and exteriorized its expansionist designs be that in relations with Pakistan or Tibet or Sri Lanka? India supported revolts in Sri lanka too. All these facts show India ‘s policy towards pakistan. In fact, India has never recognized Pakistan as an independent state. Most of its leaders carried and expressed these sentiments time and again. Lalo Prashad and Shiv Lal Yadev, two extremists and terrorists outfits, have publically expressed these feelings at the time of reunification of Hong Kong to China. Lalo Prashad said in an interview with Zee TV: ‘If Hong Kong can be reunited with China after hundred years, why not pakistan with India.’ Many of our politicians and political analysists talk about normalisation of the relations with India without even defining parameters for normalistion. Be careful of India’s double standard! They are covertly financing projects in Afghanistan to turn the Afghans and Talibans against Pakistan. Manmohan Singh’s last visit to Afghanistan is an evidence. Its time that every Pakistan’s institution coordinate with its sister institutions to counter such discriminative politics between them and take a firm stand on issues of national defence, get rid of the corrupt element of the society from the key posts, take guard against its ideological enemies and remove their differences from within in order to work indeed promote for a brighter, stronger and prosperous Pakistan. We will only have to rely on our own resources. Recommend

  • Humayun
    May 24, 2011 - 11:36AM

    It is indeed INDIA, no one would benefit from this attack not even the TTP.Recommend

  • Sovereign_Citizen
    May 24, 2011 - 11:38AM

    Pakistan’s army still is an institute we are all proud of – we have invested and sacrificed alot on this institute and we will save it so that it can save the nation. Some elements if exists in their own ranks will be thrown out through the cleaning process that Pakistan army will I believe carry out by themeselves. None of anyone’s business. Recommend

  • CP
    May 24, 2011 - 11:59AM

    Lol….its a funny situation you see…we in India criticize the RAW all the time for their “INEFFECTIVENESS” while at the same time they are criticized by the Paks for their “EFFECTIVENESS”.

    Irony.Recommend

  • May 24, 2011 - 12:11PM

    Well said and deeply analyzed. In our country its quite common now that public always yell the truth but no one listens, However, the politicians keep on lying and curb the voice of public. Here is another survey on rti website depicting public opinion.

    American Blame Game!!!Recommend

  • Udaya Bose
    May 24, 2011 - 12:14PM

    It might well have been the RAW. So what do Pakistanis expect from India? Roses and Chocolates?
    On the other hand, does RAW really have to move its backside? There are enough Pakistanis willing to do a favour without the asking.Recommend

  • vv
    May 24, 2011 - 12:26PM

    “Sehgal believes that the beneficiaries of Sunday’s attack are countries that have ‘had designs on Pakistan’, and that this had “India’s Research and Analysis Wing’s signature all over it”. “

    hehehehehehe hahahahahaha hohohohohoh lolz lolz lolz lolzzzzz.
    how stupid somebody can be
    Recommend

  • Iftikhar-ur-Rehman
    May 24, 2011 - 12:35PM

    Unless the authorities come out with truth there will always be conspiracy theories. Maybe , no for sure the authorities deliberately tell us lies so as to keep the awam guessing and then say mitti pao and forget Recommend

  • narayana murthy
    May 24, 2011 - 12:49PM

    @ Faraz who says “Well a RAW agent won’t meet the leader of an extremist group and introduce himself as a RAW agent, then give money to execute a specific attack. Such hidden hands can never be traced.”

    If you followed the proceedings of Tahawwur Rana trial (yesterday), David Headly alias Daoud Gilani, has claimed that he met ISI officers and has named one Major Iqbal (He might have already been erased from the records, who knows?).

    So, you see, terrorist attacks can be linked to intelligence agencies.

    Let me also say this, if you know for sure that you don’t know for sure if it’s India’s RAW behind the attack, then it is allegation or a conspiracy theory.Recommend

  • faraz
    May 24, 2011 - 1:26PM

    @narayana murthy

    I think this debate is useless. I hate conspiracy theories, but i am presenting an argument that suppose if there is a conspiracy; then what options do we have. When you know that terrorists based in Waziristan are behind this attack, then why dont we take them out, clear the area and secure the borders. This ridiculous debate is only meant to deflect attention from the extremist mindset that prevails in Pakistan which commits grave crimes under the garb of religion but manages to evade widespread criticism because the apologists manage to confuse the public by concocting conspiracy theories and pointing out the hidden hands. Our newspapers are full of conspiracy theories about RAW sponsored terrorism, but our agencies have failed to provide any evidence despite thousands of attacks. Headly is a rare case, how many terrorists attacks have been traced to intelligence agencies with solid evidence? Recommend

  • Tony Singh
    May 24, 2011 - 1:38PM

    Our intelligence agencies could not put togather a proper list of fugitives, let alone plan and execute such an operation. Please do not give credit to our agencies for such a successful military operations. They do not deserve it.Recommend

  • Brad
    May 24, 2011 - 1:52PM

    @faraz:
    Usually they are very hard to trace back. I guess incompetance won over complicity this time and Headley was caught. But the evidence is indisputable and the linkage very strong.Recommend

  • anil
    May 24, 2011 - 2:01PM

    The more they blame India ,the more bad situation for pak.Recommend

  • Muhammad Junaid Akhter
    May 24, 2011 - 2:12PM

    If it was RAW or any other agency, it was ther duty. they did that successfully.

    My question is that what the hell were our security personnel doing?

    We have to find out first that how 6 people came and screwed the entire base, and above all 2 managed to escape after 17 hours ?? Isn’t 17 hours more then enough to seal entire city and they were unable to seal a some sq miles base.

    We strongly need some changes and our leader should think very seriously.

    ALLAH BLESS THE COUNTRY AND ENTIRE HUMANITYRecommend

  • jagjit sidhoo
    May 24, 2011 - 2:19PM

    @Moise: If u cant think of India as a friend think of it as a neighbor. Would you want your neighbor’s house to catch fire considering there is always a bright chance of it spreading to your house . Let us live as neighbors maybe one day we can be friends . If Bhajji and Symonds can become friends why not India &Pakistan we have tried enmity for 60 yrs let us try something different Recommend

  • Muhammad Hanif
    May 24, 2011 - 2:21PM

    Whether it is a conspiracy theory or not,,, but one thing is clear, that policies by the paksitani army and by pakistani polictician have turned people of pakistan (especially pathan) their enemy….. for the sake of what.!!! for the sake of Dollars….. these people will not spare anyone if their children are killed…. and so far as these people remain your enemy they shall not waste a second to get assistance from wherever they can including Al Qaeda RAW etc…. so Please i request the leaders of this country to come to sense and hold talks with these enoyed people…. Recommend

  • Digvijay Singh
    May 24, 2011 - 2:25PM

    @Author: Is it? then hand over all dossier to us and we act on it.
    he he he he he he he he ………………..

    @all: http://tribune.com.pk/story/174764/headley-trial-handlers-were-members-of-isi/Recommend

  • RH
    May 24, 2011 - 2:26PM

    Oh cut it out! The problem is outlined in the column below. The Indians would like to dismember our armed forces, so that they stop feeling so cowardly about a national problem. There is no other conspiracy.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6161691.stm

    :) Recommend

  • indian
    May 24, 2011 - 2:29PM

    so RAW guys are not a bunch of idiots then????Recommend

  • ashok sai
    May 24, 2011 - 2:35PM

    @ ET

    I think, my comments will never come out of your superior moderation, where as you post some others comments twice. Good policy bearing Chinese influence, keep it going.Recommend

  • Imran
    May 24, 2011 - 3:03PM

    It’s not unmanned drones but the dangerously directed mental drones that will drown this country. Recommend

  • Roops
    May 24, 2011 - 3:03PM

    There can be three different levels of reactions to these conspiracy theories from an average Indian who either loves, Ignores or hates Pakistan:

    Sympathy: Because they still are unable to figure the cause of the disease. Its the Cancer in the Body itself and not caused by any foreign body.
    Apathy: Because Its ignorance at its Best.
    Antipathy: Because its Good to see them completely lost again as they will never find out, whats killing them, hence they will be killed internally.Recommend

  • Asad
    May 24, 2011 - 3:11PM

    Its not RAW..more like US Seals…they operate in a team of “Six” and are extremely trained killing machines in human form. The US SEALS are hard core fighters trained to fight in SEa Air and Land. The highest form of combat training is given to them. Many SEALs even get killed during their training and the ones that survive are top hard core fighters.

    Raw cannot be such highly trained. Indian commandos are pathetic, they could not even tackle 4 gunmen trapped on one floor of a hotel in 26/11. It took them 3 days to overcome them! Recommend

  • May 24, 2011 - 3:40PM

    Rehman Malik is rite. It was Darth Vader and his cohorts frm Star Wars. Recommend

  • Tony Singh
    May 24, 2011 - 3:44PM

    How about Iranians? They have an equally big motive. Remember they do not like to be surrounded by Americans (Iraq, Afganistan and now Pakistan). The Orions are American planes. They might have fitted with them with advanced evesdropping equipment to spy on neighbourhood. (Remember some years back Chinese had forcibly made this type of Plane to land even though it was in international airspace). Equally Indians also could be wary of such an equipment.
    The other point is neither the Chinese nor Americans were harmed, Food for thought. Interesting as a Jmaes Bond flick.Recommend

  • May 24, 2011 - 3:58PM

    Yes Mr Malik it was Darth Vader and his gang of Drones. Like in Star Wars Movies they Flew away.Recommend

  • facycheck
    May 24, 2011 - 4:04PM

    the fact is that

    Key Mumbai terror attacks trial opens
    in Chicago

    Recommend

  • dr.mystic
    May 24, 2011 - 5:58PM

    @ghairatmand:
    typical cowardly mindset..rejoicing over the loss of human life and a country’s assets..sick!Recommend

  • Hassan Shah
    May 24, 2011 - 6:22PM

    @ani: What a load of crap. Muslims can never do this? I think you have been asleep too long. You should have said Islam doesn’t allow this but “so-called” Muslims have done this forever. Read some history books…. I think this is a gift to all of those people who were celebrating Salman Tasweer’s death. Accept it that there is a faction in our country who has gone mad. Recommend

  • SaneVoice
    May 24, 2011 - 6:31PM

    My fellow Brethren: It is time to wake up, it is time to take our heads out of the sand…. We cannot achieve anything by simply ignoring the facts and we would definitely not achieve anything by blaming everything on everyone else…. Be it America, India, Israel or Charlie’s Aunty…..Recommend

  • RaviS
    May 24, 2011 - 6:36PM

    There were a few young lives lost in this. One of them was a 25 year old Lt. Yasir, a brave young lad. Perhaps, he was like any other 25 year old with a family to look after and lot of dreams about the future. He deserved to live.

    The human tragedy that resulted from this incident is almost forgotten while we are busy floating conspiracy theories and trying to find who will benefit from all this.

    I feel it shouldn’t matter who we are or what country we belong to. We should all raise our voices and say enough is enough so that we don’t have to see young people like Lt. Yasir lay down their lives. Also, no family, whether Indian or Pakistani or of any other nationality, should lose their loved ones,

    And, may be if we all decide to try and raise our voices collectively, the world may take notice and may be then, all this nonsense will stop.

    And, let us make our minds to follow “live and let live” policy. The world will be a lot more peaceful and a better place to live in.

    RaviSRecommend

  • Rationalist
    May 24, 2011 - 6:37PM

    @ani: Excellent satire on Zaid Hamid and all his gullible, deluded followers.Recommend

  • Hassan Shah
    May 24, 2011 - 6:44PM

    I am glad that at least some on this forum are thinking in the right direction. Only if we had caught one terrorist alive that would have helped. In 2009, when the attack happened at the GHQ, they said that 2 people were caught but we never heard from them again. There is so much mistrust right now that if an attack happens anywhere in the country, it is blamed on Pakistan and if it happens outside it is blamed Pakistan. I think we have become the most ridiculous people on the planet. First we as a nation need to accept the shortcomings and the problem before blaming outsiders. My heart goes out to Lt. Yasir and his family, who have to this day.Recommend

  • Mohsin Ahmed Patel
    May 24, 2011 - 7:07PM

    We, Pakistani people do not make mistakes, we are the most innocent, we do not commit sins, we are the most educated, wealthiest, scientifically advanced, technology savvy, industrially developed, agriculturally powerful, full of all resources with strongest defense capability that the other countries of the world are scared of us and that is why they are busy all the time hatching conspiracies against us and hurting us.Despite spending so much time, energy and resources to destroy us these countries are prospering and growing stronger in all respect then us.

    Grow up Pakistan. Wake up and stop dreaming of conspiracies. We are our worst enemy, Whatever is happening in Pakistan today is our own doing. We have been at it for best part of our existence. Stop blame game and start finding solutions to our problems like rest of the world does. Or we will vanish.Recommend

  • Pakistani57
    May 24, 2011 - 7:18PM

    to those who are amazed at these swift allegation might I remind them ISI was declared culprit by Indians whilst the Mumbai attacks were going on, Naval base had nothing to do with war on terror and every thing to do with India’s interest. Once again Indian hand is evident behind the TTP Recommend

  • R S JOHAR
    May 24, 2011 - 7:31PM

    There is a conspiracy theory/story behind every attack that takes place in Pakistan. Its TTP who is having the last laugh. Recommend

  • R S JOHAR
    May 24, 2011 - 7:44PM

    RAW is considered as the most useless agency in India, however their sagging morale must have been boosted after reading comments by Pakistanis in ET. Recommend

  • mind control
    May 24, 2011 - 7:49PM

    @Chebbo

    Is not it true that the Kashmir issue is the core and the most burning issue between two geographically bifurcated countries?

    No,it is terrorism.And the last time I checked the Atlas, India and Pakistan were geographically ‘contiguous’ countries.

    Is not it true that TTP is supported and financed by CIA?

    No, if TTP is funded by CIA why is it taking revenge for killing of OBL, and why did Gen Hamid Gul of ISI call the TTP ‘true mujahids’.

    Is it not true that India has always had caressed, projected and exteriorized its expansionist designs be that in relations with Pakistan or Tibet or Sri Lanka?

    No, India is not in possession of even one inch of Pakistan,Tibet or SriLanka. In fact Tibet is under control of higher than mountains friend China.

    India supported revolts in Sri lanka too.

    No,just Google IPKF, and you will know that India helped Sri Lanka suppress the LTTE. In fact Rajiv Gandhi was assaassinated by LTTE for this.

    All these facts show India ‘s policy towards pakistan. In fact, India has never recognized Pakistan as an independent state.

    All your rant so far has been singularly devoid of facts. Further, do you know Indian PM visited Minar-e-Pakistan and India and Pakistan have High Commissions in each other’s countries. What is your criteria of ‘recognition of independent state’.

    Lalo Prashad and Shiv Lal Yadev, two extremists and terrorists outfits, have publically expressed these feelings at the time of reunification of Hong Kong to China.

    Now you have climbed the Everest of ‘conspiracy theories’. Google Laloo Yadav, and you will find that he is a strong votary of Muslim rights, and Shiv Lal Yadav is an ex-cricketer, and has nothing to do with politics.Recommend

  • Hafiz
    May 24, 2011 - 8:24PM

    This bloody attack has been done by indians, CIA and their asserts TTP pakistan…Pakistani should unite and our Forces and Govt should respond offensively…I donot know why are they waiting………..Recommend

  • mahmood
    May 24, 2011 - 9:10PM

    @Santosh:
    Pakistani civil military admn is not so fool like indian are as nobody said till now that india is involved. go alittle back when Taj hotle was attacked. even during the operation your admn started blaming Pakistan, did you forget???Recommend

  • hassan
    May 24, 2011 - 10:20PM

    Judging from the reaction of most of the commenters here, I guess RAW must be the most efficient organization in the universe. Their operatives must be super-geniuses with the IQ beating Einstein and in terms of bravery, they are the best of the best.

    — They have even indoctrinated the people inside Navy to get the inside help for the naval attack. As everyone knows, without inside help, the six terrorists could not have come inside. (We are using the same logic used for Abbottabad operation)
    — The terrorists who came to destroy our Orion planes must be either Hindu suicide bombers or Muslim suicide bombers. Imagine, how RAW powerful it must be to train a hindu or muslim suicide bomber to die for Bharat !!

    — RAW has even cultivated inside Pakistan. It must require a lot of courage and intelligence for hindu secret service people to come to pakistan and to convince pakistan muslims to work for them. Imagine what a super-human effort it is !!

    — Also, RAW must be greatest agency on earth to plan and execute so many plans so flawlessly. From Sri Lankan attack to Naval Base attack, not only they executed their plans, but also escaped without getting caught.

    CIA and Mossad guys, you need to learn a lot from RAW which is the super- genius agency in the whole world !!Recommend

  • folkefiende1
    May 24, 2011 - 10:48PM

    @Ibrahim:
    You are right …and I belive in Santa ClausRecommend

  • Wiseguy
    May 24, 2011 - 10:58PM

    Pakistan created & supported Mujahideen and now they are getting a taste of their own medicince initially developed for India. Pakistan is obsessed with hating India while Indians are obsessed with success (they still hate Pakistan, but don’t let it get in the way of their success unlike Pakistanis). Recommend

  • Aftab Kenneth Wilson
    May 24, 2011 - 11:06PM

    Different spin master are now out giving their own versions of conspiracy theories. An already confused nation will turn mad very soon if truth is not revealed. I thing we need to look within rather pointing fingers at others. If even others are involved then they are doing their national duty but what are we doing????????Recommend

  • true paki cheater
    May 24, 2011 - 11:18PM

    ya it was india but we cant do anything to them they are much more power full than innocent chechens or baloch Recommend

  • true paki cheater
    May 24, 2011 - 11:22PM

    @ani: please dont ever make the mistake of coming in front of a hindu or a indian muslim they will really teach u who is real coward Recommend

  • Kazmis
    May 24, 2011 - 11:51PM

    Do not worry it is not India, Israel or USA. However it is your weaknesses and you can not hold and control your Assets. You are to convinced that Assets should be frozen now.Recommend

  • welfarist
    May 25, 2011 - 12:14AM

    @Sovereign_Citizen:
    HA! We pay through our sweat and blood to fund this bloated army to protect us and then its ‘none of anyone’s business’ to ask for some accountability?Recommend

  • mahmood
    May 25, 2011 - 1:44AM

    @true paki cheater:
    Relax dear, s/he made some light comments. Do you need a teacher of English or simple commonsense? We know your bravery very well. Pakistan is a 10 time small country but never got afraid of India. But India and China are equal in all respects. Then what happened in 1962, and even after that Indians never got courage to look even straight in their eyes. Show your muscles to China or even USA, not to Pakistan. Recommend

  • Qaisrani
    May 25, 2011 - 1:47AM

    The terror attack on PNS Mehran Karachi clearly indicates the footprints of Ilyas Kashmiri, an alQaeda-cum-Taliban-cum-LeT leader, who was said to be an “Asset” of Intelligence agencies. (But it appears that perhaps he is no more under the control of his mentors.There were even rumours in the media about his candidacy as successor of ObL as chief of alQaeda.) To spin conspiracy theories about this attack would be far-fetched & handiwork of ‘Indophile’ or ‘Americanphile’ elements, in my opinion. It becomes more far-fetched, given the acceptance of responsibility for the attack by Paki Taliban, an affiliate or franchisee of alQaeda, who desire to take over the state of Pakistan.
    I am of considered opinion that India or America have nothing to gain in destabilization of Pakistan, and by extensin South Asia. On the contrary, both India & America would loose much if Pakistan is destabilized.Recommend

  • May 25, 2011 - 3:08AM

    Unusually the comments made here, with blame on India and vice versa in Indian newspapers the comments put blame on Pakistan proves beyond doubt that somebody else is enjoying this entire episode with a greater satisfaction because if this war of hatred between two neighbouring countries will not end we shall all be reduced to ruins. If you think deeper, the issues Pakistan and India faces are the same – poverty, illiteracy, bombing and corruption. But ironically when a Pakistani meets an Indian abroad they are hit by the some unique unity. Think about it who is dividing us to rule in attempting to make an unequal world.Recommend

  • LOL
    May 25, 2011 - 5:06AM

    Looks like the terrorists wanna outdo Americans by showing Pakistanis that they too can violate the so called ‘Pakistan’s sovereignty’ !!! Man, Pakistan is being hit from everywhere….how low can the country stoop to !!! Recommend

  • Kolsat
    May 25, 2011 - 5:32AM

    @chebbo: All Pakistanis should take a deep breath and look at the Pakistani citizen/terrorists who are capable of have done such dastardly acts before. Who killed Panjab Governor? India has no time to do such things as we Indians are busy making money and lifting our standard of living. What would India do with annexing Pakistan which conains millions of malcontnets and fundamentalists. Also India does not need a poor beggarly nation on its border because it takes efforts to keep those who want to enter India to improve their lot. India has many millions of Bangladeshis who entered many years who have not gone back. Recommend

  • May 25, 2011 - 6:20AM

    Hello Indian readers! Stop hating! The papers mention “India” ’cause you guys then give them the highest number of hits! What a tigger-angry crowd you guys make, seriously!Recommend

  • P.A.M
    May 25, 2011 - 6:50AM

    The zaid hamid announced involvement of india in this attack 1 year agoRecommend

  • no aman ki aasha nor war
    May 25, 2011 - 7:23AM

    @Roops….well said….
    being an indian, i can sympathise and say let god help pakistani;s also to live a happy life….but if they are unwilling to correct themselves from double-cross mindset and not come out of their conspiracy theories..then nothing is going to help them…

    as an indian, am only worried on my life, my n my country’s well being….thats paramount….sometimes i wounder why should we worry abt pakistani’s ….they have their known ppl to kill them, maime them….we dont have to waste money on itRecommend

  • V S S Sarma
    May 25, 2011 - 7:39AM

    As long as Pakistanis believe that India is behind the attack, they can not fight the menace of internal terrorism that has so widely spread all over Pakistan. As long as people and the military concentrate their might against India, internal terrorist outfits will strengthen and spread so much so that daily life of every Pakistani would be affected adversely.

    Home-grown terrorism is the real problem. Pakistan must handover Lakhvi and Hafiz Saeed and others (Mumbai attack owners); Masood Azhar and others (Kandahar hijacking case); Dawood Ibrahim and others (1993 Mumbai bomb blasts case) to India for a fair trial which would lead to elimination of hostile environment between Pakistan and India so that Pakistanis can have the confidence that India is not behind every bomb blast that happens on a daily basis there.

    It is laughable to even suggest that Indian RAW is doing terrorism in Pakistan. Indian RAW agents are a bunch of gluttons and jokers who are taking salary, eating well and improving their stomach girth and not doing anything worthwhile. If only they are half as good as they are being praised for, Dawood Ibrahim would not be living in Karachi, flying in own plane between Karachi and Hyderabad Sindh. Israeli Mossad would not have tolerated the kind of attacks on its nation as much as RAW. Handing over the job of dealing with the 48 terrorists who plotted against India and living inside Pakistan to organisations like MQM or ANP or Pushtuns would have finished the job in no time for a small money. Indian RAW can not even think of this simple solution.Recommend

  • Akhtarrao
    May 25, 2011 - 8:20AM

    Indian-Afgahn, both could have done thatRecommend

  • Maria
    May 25, 2011 - 8:28AM

    Definitely Indian terrorists working with their lackeys in Afghanistan to cause trouble in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Santosh
    May 25, 2011 - 9:06AM

    Sanctions against the terrorist. If Pakistan believes India did it, Pakistan must cut off all economic and cross border activity with India. Stop all trade.Recommend

  • jagjit sidhoo
    May 25, 2011 - 12:36PM

    @jagjit sidhoo: 17 persons have recommended my comment i hope they are all Pakistani’sRecommend

  • Kazmis
    May 25, 2011 - 1:21PM

    Three days have passed, haze is clear now. Naval Chief and Mr.Rehman Malik are not lying. FIR is launched with consultation of Naval Chief then Why Contradictory? Some obvious reasons. A casual event presented as a big event. Pakistan Forces are not so careless and coward and lazy. It is simple, destroy 1960 planes only which can point fingers toward India, which give impression that India is strong & Pakistan Forces are no more strong. Is it true?…No.Recommend

  • Rajeev
    May 25, 2011 - 1:34PM

    If this operation was conducted by RAW why your Rehman Malik said that this act was done by Pakistan Taliban. Either he is speaking truth or has an afraid of India ?
    All the comments given by my poor, illiterate pakistani friends are good in the sense that they are unable to see that what extremist are doing with their country.
    In actual they people are helping to their coward and failed government to stand prompt in these situation. They must admit that last year earth quake was also organized by RAW. It also shows that Pakistani ppl are well aware with the strenght of Indian Armed Forces..
    We are happy to see that how mad ppl are living there in Pakistan. It is good for us…
    Gilani, Jardari (Is he alive, pls confirm) Sen Rehman Malik would be pleased to see the above comments as they can set them free with the alligation of poor leadership and poor internal security.
    Dear friends, this is your bad luck that you are trying to keep your eyes away from those extremists who are not muslim but an terrorist. Terrorist has no religion.
    Better luck next time !Recommend

  • SLDUA (Delhi)
    May 25, 2011 - 6:46PM

    KHISIYANI BILLI KHAMBHA NOCHE. Osama Bin Laden has been killed by America in Pak Army Academy (Ghar mein ghus ke mara) and threats are thrown on India. Now Pakistan’s Naval base has been attacked (Ye bhi ghar mein ghus ke maara) by those very people who have been braught up by Pak military establishment, even then, searching India as a scape goat. This is what is called “KHISIYANI BILLI KHAMBHA NOCHE”. Pakistanis should take out their BLACK gogles supplied by Jihadi fanatics.Recommend

  • frustrated Pakistani youth
    May 25, 2011 - 11:10PM

    everyone knows…, but y the interior ministry don’t show evidences to the people of Pakistan, so that we can prove ourselves.Recommend

  • Kazmis
    May 26, 2011 - 9:59AM

    @VSS Sarma
    Very thought provoking comment. You said that if RAW or MOSSAD had Capability then Dawood Ibrahim would not move freely. I also do not believe that India is behind this attack however your suggestion that Hafiz Seed or Lakhvi etc are given to India may solve terrorist problem. Don’t you think other person may replace them if the core problem is not solve. Is it not the time like British Empire when they decided to separate India and Pakistan. You also consider it just to remove Kashmir from you, which you could not solve a problem since last 60 years. Perhaps other parts like Nixil Bari etc may also demand independence, let them go. Is it necessary to keep with you all trouble making wild people with you. I think a good trimming of India at this time may bring peace in the region.Recommend

  • May 26, 2011 - 10:51AM

    @jagjit sidhoo:
    Please dont push your agenda about hate against Pakistan. US is not your friend, Bankers will fleece you like Weimar was, US was, Yugoslavia was. You ll be played against China and you’ll fight and weaken yourself just to save your Anglo US friends to be overtaken over by China and yourselves. As for me I have relatives in India so dont think serving US interest will leave you worse off. Grow a backbone and stop being played.Recommend

  • S Baig
    May 26, 2011 - 8:49PM

    How India is going to benefit from this attack?Recommend

  • Dr.A.K.Tewari
    May 26, 2011 - 9:03PM

    Dear we know that you are in minority in Pakistan now .Don’t remain silent any more .Recommend

  • May 27, 2011 - 9:37AM

    @Moise: Moise where have i talked about hate against Pakistan as far as USA is concerned i realize they will befriend u so long as they need u like Palmerston said “Great Britain has no friends, only interests.”But Moise bhai as a country u can change your friends or enemies but not your neighbors we have to live together whether anyone likes it or not so let us see each other’s point of view and give peace a chance what has 60 yrs of hate and war given us .Like IQBAL said ‘sitaron say aagay jahan aur bhi hain” . Dream big dream LOVE Recommend

  • May 27, 2011 - 3:54PM

    @Moise: Dream big dream love peace and prosperity Recommend

  • Jun 4, 2011 - 4:20AM

    This is why Pakistanis have no choice but to accept conspiracy theories. The article explains why Pakistanis choose the world of conspiracy theories instead of admitting responsibility for what’s going wrong in the country. The article details how generations have grown up in false awe of the armed forces and anything that portrays the army in a negative light is responded to by denial.

    http://nzaari.wordpress.comRecommend

  • Jun 6, 2011 - 11:09AM

    @Nzaar Ihsan: Bother i read your article you hit the nail on the headRecommend

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