Mukhtaran Mai: Pakistan betrayed you once again

Published: April 22, 2011
The writer is consulting editor, The Friday Times

The writer is consulting editor, The Friday Times

April 21, 2011 will be remembered as a black day in Pakistan’s history. Not because this was the day when the Supreme Court acquitted the alleged rapists of a poor, marginalised woman. It will be marked as the day when, once again, Pakistan’s colonial criminal justice system failed to protect the vulnerable, thereby rendering a heinous crime such as gang rape almost unpunishable.

Nine years ago, a misogynistic panchayat of south Punjab ordered the gang rape of a woman for no sin of hers. It was her (then 12-year-old) brother who was sodomised and then accused of illicit relations with the sister of the powerful rapists. This low-caste family had to be ‘fixed’. Thanks to the media frenzy, the state had to act when what happens in subaltern Pakistan was exposed. Suo motu notices by the courts, police investigation and faulty prosecution ultimately led to no justice. At every step of the legal process, powerful men obstructed the cause of justice.

The Lahore High Court and now the split bench of the Supreme Court have decided on the basis of evidence produced before them. Fair enough. After all, the courts have to rely on the proceedings. But are we not living in the age of proactive courts where ‘public expectations’ and correcting the wrongs of history are oft-cited phrases? Did a learned judge not say in the sugar price control case that the court was moving beyond its jurisdiction to respond to public expectations? Did the courts not decide on the Eighteenth Amendment, which cannot be challenged in any court? We respect the honourable courts but do reserve the right to differ. Are the lower courts equally stringent about blasphemy cases? No.

No sooner was the judgement released that some men, according to reports, clapped in the court. Later, a chauvinistic TV anchor asked Mukhtaran if she had any compassion for the men who had spent six years in jail. This was adding insult to a national injury. Are we living in a medieval society? Evidently yes, when it comes to women and their rights.

This is time for reflection, policy debate and untiring advocacy. Our police has to be restructured and made accountable to the public, not to the provincial chief ministers and the IGs. Pakistan has to augment prosecution services and make them autonomous.

How long will terrorists and rapists be released simply because the prosecution system is weak? The provinces with the reversal of devolution have undone the prosecution reform started in 2002. We also need judicial reforms in lower and superior courts of Pakistan — way beyond the goals of the national judicial policy of 2009.

Let Mukhtaran Mai’s defeat become an opportunity for mobilising for reform. Mai: We are ashamed, but will not give up.

Published in The Express Tribune, April 23rd, 2011.

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Reader Comments (92)

  • naeem sadiq
    Apr 22, 2011 - 11:01PM

    cautiously stated but you drive home the point squarely.

  • Anon
    Apr 22, 2011 - 11:04PM

    I am so disappointed to hear this judgement. And then people of Pakistan wonder why their children are getting killed everyday? You don’t need Indians or Americans or anyone outside the country for that, the “haays” of the oppressed vulnerable is enough. Recommend

  • Shuja ur Rehman Raja
    Apr 22, 2011 - 11:20PM

    Please stop selling columns and news paper on these issues and why the hell do you blame Pakistan man. Whatever happens it is Pakistan’s fault. Stop blaming judiciary. Stop this crap. Unacceptable.Recommend

  • John
    Apr 22, 2011 - 11:24PM

    The police bungled the case, with their misidentification of one individual.

    It is a tragedy. LHC should have convicted others for aiding and abetting the rape, as Justice Nasir-ul-Mulk pointed out in SC opinion.

    Investigation and prosecution of rape start with good police work, all over the world.

    PAK women should fight for special investigation team, and laws should give the benefit of the doubt to women, as pointed out by Justice Mulk as he quoted the Indian case.

    All over the world prosecution of rape is problematic under old jurisprudence. Sweden has the toughest rape law.

    Thank god she was not tried under Sharia law, even the one convicted would have walked free due to lack of four witnesses to the act. Recommend

  • Kamaal
    Apr 22, 2011 - 11:25PM

    Bold and well said. And yes, saddening reality. God Bless.Recommend

  • parvez
    Apr 22, 2011 - 11:27PM

    Very correctly written. I suppose the hurt gets magnafied when those whom you expect would have the courage and wisdom to do not only the right thing but the brave thing, turn out sadly lacking.Recommend

  • Saima Arif
    Apr 22, 2011 - 11:38PM

    Raza Rumi… I stronly wish you have written the same in case on Raimond Davis.

    “How long will terrorists and rapists be released simply because the prosecution system is weak? ”
    The day when court released Davis, an American secrent agent, murderer of pakistanis, keeping illegal weapons and other stuff, was not a BLACK DAY.

    you even declared in a TV show that he had diplomatic immunity. how ever he was not released on this account. there was a great deal BEHIND.Recommend

  • Muhammad Asghar
    Apr 23, 2011 - 12:04AM

    I agree of what rumi said but let,s concentrate the crux of the problem which is the criminal justice system and faulty prosecution which led us here and with due respect I would suggest not to criticise judiciary becuase it handed over its verdict on technical ground.It is time to address root causes which is more then it Mai case or belasphemy law.Recommend

  • Sverige
    Apr 23, 2011 - 12:13AM

    Quite pessimistic…it is just one department of authorities unlikely the whole country. There is always gaps to be filled and improved so is in this case. There are people trying to correct this and the process is still not finished so we do not supposed to right such bad comments about the country. If the writer cannot find anything positive then he might be careful writing negative. it is easy just to criticise but its hard to suggest ways to improve. I have read article from this author and felt like he has got a street talking like attitude. Recommend

  • sirius warren
    Apr 23, 2011 - 12:14AM

    Great news @ Pakistan once again they will never learn!Recommend

  • Apr 23, 2011 - 12:17AM

    Its taken 8 1/2 years for such a high profile case to reach this point. Spare a thought for the thousands of others who are languishing in jail as they cant afford court fees or lawyers, or have been forgotten by the system all together. How we treat the vulnerable amongst us reflects on who and what we are as a nation. What does this say about us? How does gang rape, karo kari and misogyny remain socially acceptable?Recommend

  • Apr 23, 2011 - 12:23AM

    I agree with the author – the anchors have no sensitivity when they quiz Mukhtaran and force her to narrate the incident over and over again. But kudos to the lady – she more than holds her own and unlike the more educated lady doctor who was raped, she chose to stay in the village and educates the children of even her oppressors. Recommend

  • Apr 23, 2011 - 12:41AM

    excellent. It is good to see that someone is calling a spade, spade. this is not a question of a failure of justice, it shows the growing failure of civilized society. Recommend

  • Raja Arsalan Khan
    Apr 23, 2011 - 12:47AM

    What the court has done is not unexpected, given the bond between the establishment and its residuary. The state apparatus are here to protect the products of ‘bygone days’.
    For me the question is: Is the “elitist intelligentsia” is ready to bin the notions attached to the “over-glorified” but redundant social structure?
    The court has given the panchayat and jirga system a ‘rightful place’ given we are the citizens of the sole Muslim country equipped with nukes. It is the time for the “scholars” and “intellectuals” to start considering other options as they are currently busy in US bashing, anti-West rhetoric and “pro-medieval age dreaming” only. They must stop justifying the “indigenous culture” under one pretext or the other. If they do, the panchayats and jirgas would continue to decide the rebellious souls.

    PERSONAL NOTE FOR THE WRITER: What about the globalization?…… ………… …. …. …… Recommend

  • Apr 23, 2011 - 12:58AM

    Saima Arif:
    1) your comparison with Raymond Davis is invalid and makes no sense.
    2) Davis was released under the Islamic laws operative in the country. Please check the Qisas and Diyat Ordinance.
    3) I never ‘declared’ that he had diplomatic immunity. All I said was that the Foreign Office should decide according to the international law and conventions. They never did it!! The show is online available on the web. Do not distort facts and spread half-truths.

    To all others: thanks for the valuable feedback. Much obliged that it has been read by you all!Recommend

  • Meekal Ahmed
    Apr 23, 2011 - 1:17AM

    This is very distressing.Recommend

  • Sam
    Apr 23, 2011 - 2:41AM

    What a brave woman. Keep speaking out against this barbarism Pakistan. And to the male apologists, rapists, misogynist’s and cowards – get with it – it’s 2011!!Recommend

  • Aliya
    Apr 23, 2011 - 2:46AM

    Mr. Rumi, Pakistan did not betray her. It is due to Pakistan that you and the feminist activists are fighting for her. You could have used better words in the title.
    In the Raymond Davis case, Shariah law was exploited not used. Don’t you know about the key-players involved in that case like everyone.Recommend

  • Rubina
    Apr 23, 2011 - 3:00AM

    Pathetic… really feel sorry for the poor women and the miseries inflicted on her. God help her as there is no hope left from the system.Recommend

  • MS- Mariya
    Apr 23, 2011 - 3:10AM

    @Tightdhoti: Baatein kam aur kaam zada is whats needed. The society is in a mess because of people like you who just talk action to improve the society. Just start with your surrounding..let me give you an example to help you move towards more action and less negative talk:

    My parents have employed 7 muslim and 1 christian domestic helpers. To help educate the domestic help my parents are paying for the Quranic education plus basic reading writing. All was well for 5 years till the Mullah who came to teach Quran told the 7 muslim domestic help that they are commiting a sin by sitting or eating with the christian. He told them to keep separate plates and not shake hands. The christian helper came to me with the complain after his plates were thrown in gutter so after massive scolding from me and dad the 7 muslim helpers all started behaving themselves!!!! The mullah was fired immediately after a public bashing from dad.

    So lets not just talk negative of how the world is coming to an end or how pakistan is going to the point of no return. What you write about Pakistan only shows your personal state as an individual and nothing else. What has happened to Mukharan mai is a tragedy and requires action not negative words from you. She definately doesnt need your negative words because this woman choose to fight and take an action. She didnt like you just sit and write negative lines against the society. Recommend

  • Apr 23, 2011 - 3:13AM

    Raza Rumi: I am proud of you for raising these important questionsRecommend

  • MS- Mariya
    Apr 23, 2011 - 3:28AM

    @Avon: Totally agree with you..utter disappointment like I felt when I read the news of Manu sharma getting parole and visiting night club. I mean seriously..after 11 years of fight..this is what one gets in an ideal country like India!! Shocking!!

    I guess you are commenting on Pakistanis news paper because you must be done fighting justice for Jessica lal, russian and german girls(goa cases).

    You had an urge to write negative about Pakistan so picked this topic. SHame on you for using Mukhatara mai for your prejudices. Using her to write against another nation. Khud jesa dod mein dhula ho tum sab. Go get a life and fix your country. Dont worry about us..apni khabar rako. Recommend

  • Apr 23, 2011 - 5:08AM

    Your parents have 8 servants?? I hope they pay their taxes?

    Anyhow, how is it relevant to the case at hand?

    Facts are facts. Pushing them aside under the heading off “negative words” is not going to change the reality we live in. Recommend

  • samar
    Apr 23, 2011 - 8:19AM

    time to narrate, recall opression, injustices and shed tears on them is over in pakistan. don’t just write/read about these things. its time to do something more.Recommend

  • raza
    Apr 23, 2011 - 8:40AM

    We really need to push for educational reform ,the damn country is drowning in illiteracy rate. As Muslims we should be shamed of ourselves; it is obligatory to seek knowledge ,for Allah’s sake, first revelation,word, of quran is “iqra” (read). Due to lack of knowledge people are manipulated by few.

    Sickens me to the stomach of such tragedy taken place anywhere in the world. Especially in a Muslim country , as Mohammad said “a father who holds his daughters hand with love in his heart, allah will grant him heaven for that time . ” Thats the status the beloved prophets gives our mothers,sisters, daughters ect.

    I will pray for you sister. As for your attackers may Allah hold them accountable in this world and after. Recommend

  • Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy
    Apr 23, 2011 - 9:29AM

    Pakistan has betrayed Mukhtar Mai and along with it all of us- There is so much stigma attached to rape and very few women dare to report it & why should they?
    Our police doesn’t take them seriously, our medical personnel are ill equipped to do rape kits,
    Our media asks them ghastly questions, our judiciary takes years to reach a decision & our laws are stacked against them-
    Mukhtar Mai stood up, she dared to speak out risking her life and was continuously betrayed along the way- Franky had it not been for the international press & it’s support for her she would probably have been silenced a long time ago-
    Today, I am disgusted that our so called judges who are put up on a pedestal have delivered this verdict-There are so many irregularities and extenuating circumstances that they should have considered them- Had Mukhtar Mai been rich and powerful I’m sure her rapists would have been behind bars because everyone from the police to the investigating officers would have bent over backwards for her but she was an illiterate poor woman & her reality is that her rapists will now be walking free-
    So to all of you who think Pakistan didn’t betray her think again- we did and continued to every day-Recommend

  • Haroon Khalid
    Apr 23, 2011 - 9:37AM

    There is talk about judicial activism on the one hand, where the court, respectfully, even crosses the legal boundaries it is bound to protect, but then in a case like this, which involves no Zardari, Raymond Davis, Bhutto, Ghazli Ilmudin, oil, and sugar policies, the obsessions of our existence, expedient constitutionality is adhered to. Recommend

  • ayush
    Apr 23, 2011 - 9:54AM

    The whole south asia living in a dark phase. I don’t know when our continental judicary works on at par with the developed one.Recommend

  • ayush
    Apr 23, 2011 - 9:59AM

    @MS- Mariya:
    this happen everywhere around the world the purpose of news is that we need strengthen our relationship with south asian peers in historical terms they are part of our society we look like same, we talk like same, then why so much differentiation between us, (pakistanis)they are not aliens for god sake. And if you talk like a diplomatic then i want to say better the stable is Pakistan, more stable would be India & world.Recommend

  • Imme
    Apr 23, 2011 - 10:00AM

    Shame blind judiciary! Recommend

  • General kya nahi
    Apr 23, 2011 - 10:36AM

    Tightdhoti, for once i agree with u, though in anguish!Recommend

  • Syed Ali
    Apr 23, 2011 - 10:50AM

    Dear Author! I fully agree with the contents of your article. But I do not agree with the title. With the overwhelming response from the civil society in favour of this victim, it is wrong to say that “Pakisatn betrayed you once again”. Probably a better title would have been ” Mukhtaran Mai ! Pakistan stands with you” She might have lost the case, but she has won a status in history of this country and its judiical system. So long as, people like you and others who will talk about women rights, they will, even if they do not mention, have the picture of this poor lady in their minds.

    Except for a few skin heads in media and feudal minded male chavunistic beurocracy, majority of the people in print and electronic media, members of all professions…doctors, engineers, professors, writers, and offcourse lawyers are supporting the poor but brave lady.
    We should keep up the pressure on Judiciary, mocking feudals and inept beurocracy to change the Jirga/ panchayat non sense in our country.

    Raza! Since you are interested in correcting flaws in our curriculum( and we appreciate that), I suggest, we must include chapters to educate our kids about the evils of feudal culture and caste system. The core reason ( though reason is very bad word for this crime) for which Mukhtaran Mai and others in same situation have to go through such ordeal is caste system. Apparently, her brother, being a mamber of locally considered inferior caste had an affair with a lady of high caste. This menace is so deep in our society that if one closely examines the story of Heer Ranjha after rubbling away all the romanticism, the core issure there also appears a problem of caste. 90 % of honour killings are because of caste/tribe problem. The very idea of being superior to other people because of an accidental birth in a certain clan is very wrong and we must fight it.Recommend

  • Syed Ali
    Apr 23, 2011 - 10:56AM

    I do not know what it has to with India or America!. A wrong thing is wrong.Period. For your information, India is not behind Pakistan when it comes to crimes against women. Only few months ago, new papers published horrifying story of foreign tourists and workers getting raped inDehli and Bombay. Where were you then?Recommend

  • Nadeem
    Apr 23, 2011 - 10:58AM


    You are very cautious but precise. Let us ask our Judiciary that on same set of evidence, one accused is convicted, while for rest, the same becomes doubtful, how does that happen? Problem is that courts have twisted law too badly in 63 years that on every point there are conflicting rulings to support both sides. This leads to distorted decisions, although prosecution is not modern but then they have convicted one rapist on same evidence, how can a single rapist commit a Gang Rape, may be only Pakistan Judiciary can justify. This is time that people should start asking questions about judgment, dent let them repeat Bhutto’s case!Recommend

    Apr 23, 2011 - 11:08AM

    @MS- Mariya: Oji bib..the fact remains that Liaquat ali khan se leke Benazir Bhutto tak aur Taseer se leke Bhatti tak… jitne bhi assasinations hue hai pakistan main. …kisi bhi case kaa result nahi nikala. In fact not a single terrorist in Pakistan has vbeen persecuted….subhan allah…To bibi.baat yeh hai ki agar .high profile cases main aapka yeh haal hai…to age kya hoga janab e ali.Recommend

  • faraz
    Apr 23, 2011 - 11:09AM

    @Shuja ur Rehman Raja

    The court admits that she was raped, but not gang raped. The court has set free the members of punchaiyat which organized this ghastly event; you see nothing wrong with this?Recommend

  • Haaris Ramzan
    Apr 23, 2011 - 11:17AM

    I most respectfully disagree with the author whom i hold in high esteem.

    As a lawyer i strongly believe in the concept that no one is guilty until proven otherwise. Every criminal or any other matter is evaluated on merits and the legal thresholds that are cardinal to the legal system. An example of this threshold in a murder conviction is beyond reasonable doubt.

    Rather criticizing the Judiciary for giving a bad decision, the most important element is the lack of evidence provided by the prosecution. A judge cant implicate an individual where there is lack of evidence.

    I believe
    the division that needs improvement is the police department and their investigators who must prepare a watertight case so that there are no lacuna.

    To the best of my knowledge this element was immensely lacking in Mukhtar Mai case. I have my sympathies with her and i believe that what happened with her was criminal but what about the investigating officer who investigated the entire case.

    Did we ever look in to his findings. Recommend

  • Apr 23, 2011 - 11:22AM

    @Ms -Maria – strangely I agree with you. There is nothing to feel sorry for Mukhtaran Mai. In every action of hers, she has demonstrated empowerment. Whether it was negotiating a good deal for the first wife of her husband, setting up a school with the money received from the government – a school that does not discriminate and lastly creating a shelter for suffering women.

    As for Indians commenting here – indulge us. Our country is too large and too unwieldy. Pakistan is so much smaller and issues have a delectable black and white quality to attract even the most indifferent reader. Recommend

  • Imran
    Apr 23, 2011 - 11:26AM

    This was a total fake, rubbish case. This lady ( Mukhtaran Mai ) is a liar. They told that incident was happened on the 20th and her medical was conducted on 29th. How is it possible that a a test result can be positive of a gang rape after 9 days. This case was manipulated by media and so Called NGO’s. Recommend

  • Anoop
    Apr 23, 2011 - 11:48AM

    @MS- Mariya,

    Except the Goa case, where the killer has not been identified, in all other cases the convicts have received sentences.

    The Criminal law of India and Pakistan are not THAT different as both are inheritance of the British Raj era laws. The difference is approach. The Media in India plays a really positive role in such cases. It has forced many investigations to be opened up and and sentences were indeed increased like it happened with the case of a high ranking Police Officer who drove a young woman to commit suicide by constantly harassing her.

    No legal system in the World is 100% efficient. Heck, in the US O.J.Simpson got away with Murder due to technicalities.

    The System is designed to make sure that no innocent is punished. Not that all the accused are punished. That is the best it can do.

    The problem with Pakistan is that the Legal system in Pakistan is pathetic and unwilling to evolve. The Legal system follows the Constitution as a benchmark. But, the Constitution of Pakistan is a thoroughly bigoted document which is responsible for all the woes in Pakistan. How can a just legal system function when the Constitution of a Country itself is so grotesque in nature?

    The Lahore Court judge thinks Hindus are responsible for the attacks in Pakistan.

    These are the kinds of geniuses that the legal system of Pakistan throws up. How many times have we seen the Judges colluding with Military dictators by justifying their take overs? Almost every single time. Recommend

  • Apr 23, 2011 - 12:31PM

    Haaris: thanks for the comments. Who says that we should punish anyone without evidence. My point is the failure of the criminal justice system as a whole. Since you are a lawyer, you are also aware that superior courts (High court) can also prosecute the cases. This was not done and the faulty prosecution became the basis of denial of justice at such a high forum.

    Secondly, the dissenting judgement makes some valid points. Clearly,there was a split in the bench of the esteemed court!Recommend

  • Syed Ali
    Apr 23, 2011 - 12:51PM

    Please dont talk nonsense. I am a physician and and I can tell you with full confidence that evidence of rape including signs of torture to various body parts and injury to private parts can survive several days. The victims clothing can have biological material ( if preserved correctly) for several years ( not just days) and psychological trauma ( if examined by a good psychiatrist) can provide credible clue to the crime even decades after the incident. The mere reason that medical examination was done 9 days after the incident does not lessen the severity of the crime. Rather, it shows the gross negligence on the part of the police and prosecution.Recommend

  • parvez
    Apr 23, 2011 - 2:14PM

    @Haaris Ramzan:
    Sir, in my opinion your view lacks depth and although I am not a lawyer, my sense of right and wrong tells me you are,so wrong.
    In every sphere the buck has to stop somewhere and in this case it is the SC.
    The requirement was for original, courageous thinking leading to a just conclusion in order to give relief to the victim. In this they failed.Recommend

  • Apr 23, 2011 - 2:16PM

    The legal system has to be fixed, there are gross injustices that it bestows upon Pakistani citizens with all sorts of tortures, from allowing illegal detentions by the police to continue, severe delays in cases, to misconduct and rudeness by judges even in the supreme court. It is a joke to even suggest that our legal system is autonomous and independent, and much of the fault is its own.
    It is sad that cases like mukhtarai mai can neither find justice in the informal panchayat system or the formal state system. And i find it strange that the misogynistic panchayat system is so revered and respected, when this is how its deals with the people of its community. Recommend

  • ArifQ
    Apr 23, 2011 - 2:28PM

    Raza Rumi Sahib, totally agreed with your thesis. Some questions that need explanation:

    1) Prior to being raped, was Mukhtaran Mai not paraded naked in front of the village? If, yes shouldnt we have some witnesses who could verify this allegation.
    2) Decision to extract revenge by the act of rape was made by the Panchiyat, if that is correct then why is that not being debated or those charged?
    3) Younger brother of Muhtaran Mai, it is alleged was sodomized by the same group of people
    for his alleged affair with the Mastoi tribe girl.Why is that not being debated or prosecuted?
    4) Two judges gave their verdict absolving five individuals on the charges of gang rape, and commuted the death sentence to 10 years imprisonment for one rapist, so basically they agree there was rape but not gang rape, if yes then what was the evidence to convict one and not six?
    5) Third judge with the dissenting note held all guilty, how can that be possible? Two believe innocent and the third thought they were guilty? Should that not be considered as a hung verdict and tried again?

    Will appreciate Raza Rumi’s response


  • Apr 23, 2011 - 2:41PM

    Betrayed ? Are You Kidding Me ?
    Pakistanis Spoke for Her they took a Stand for her!
    & whereas the judgement is concerned , court’s Decisions are NOT made on the basis of NGO’s or Media’s rhetoric!
    Its Based On EVIDENCE!
    & ‘Evidence on Paper’.
    There were no Strong Evidences Against the five Acquitted!

    Pakistan Did A Lot for Her!!Recommend

  • MS- Mariya
    Apr 23, 2011 - 3:12PM

    @tightdhoti: Ok so you prove that negativity is deep rooted. For you to assume that everyone is evil and tax chor is only reflection of yourself.

    The example I gave you is relevant because be it rape cases or increasing intolerance against minorities…the responsibility lies with us to fight it with positive words, money or hands. Writing utter nonsense will not help anyone(unless you are an Indian). I am trying to change the intolerance towards minorities by starting from my home.…by providing protection to poor minorities and woman working for me.

    I could have acted like you and written few crappy lines against a nation..blamed the whole world for the negative things but I choose to be different from you..i choose to act and fight the evil.

    Exactly..facts are facts and it’s a fact that just talking negative will not help anyone!!! What’s needed is action or correct advice! You are writing the facts as if we don’t live it everyday and need someone like you to remind us. Unfortunately there are many useless men like you who just write negative words and not doing anything constructive. THIS IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM AND FACT!!Recommend

  • MS- Mariya
    Apr 23, 2011 - 3:25PM

    @FOLKFIENDE: Fact is that America which claims to be the super power and teacher of democracy is yet to solve the assassination Kennedy. Fact is President of Lebanon was murdered and the case is still unsolved even after the case was investigated by international community. Fact is, I can quote you hundred examples of high profile killings in the developed countries which have not been solved. Fact is that don’t try to talk as if murders don’t happen anywhere else except Pakistan. Fact is that don’t try to turn every case into a reason to target Pakistan to satisfy your mental disease. Fact is that Pakistan is no ideal country and needs to work on every aspect. Fact is that just talking non sense will not help anyone. Fact is that its better to suggest constructive advice than waste everyone time with your crap. The fact is that you need to find yourself a doctor and some job. Recommend

  • MS- Mariya
    Apr 23, 2011 - 3:33PM

    @ayush: The prupose of the news is to keep us updated with the latest events. The purpose is to tell us whats happening in our society so we can take some constructive action. The purpose of news in any part of the world is not to use it to target another country or religion. I can quote million cases of rape in goa and delhi which could not provide justice like it has happened to Mukhara Mai. The purpose of this article was not to start tit for tat but to reflect and see what can be done to prevent it. I have not come across a single constructive advice from any reader about this issue..only rubbish from indians and as always CANT DO ANYTHING approach from Pakistanis.

    All those Pakistanis who are reading this article and writing negative stuff about Pakistan should be ashamed of themselves. This country is in a mess because of you all!!! You all are not doing your part. Any successful nation is built by its people and when the people of a nation act like you guys are doing(all talk no action) than ofcourse we are heading towards disaster. Recommend

  • anu
    Apr 23, 2011 - 3:44PM

    I lost all respect for this writer since he measured increase in radicalization just because his few relatives start growing bread and woman start wearing hijab.
    he again chose a wrong heading , Pakistan didn’t betrayed mukhtar mai,our sympathies are with mukhtara mai. in fact all segments of society supported her and she’s been treated like a celebrity. by the way there was another MAZLOOM woman in this case who never came to lime light as Mukhtara mai and that was a girl which been raped by mukhtara mai’s brother . why no one is supporting that poor girlRecommend

  • Hopeless
    Apr 23, 2011 - 3:47PM

    Shuja ur Rehman Raja, are u from ISI??Recommend

  • MS- Mariya
    Apr 23, 2011 - 4:00PM

    @Anoop: Please go fool yourself by the non sense you have written. You have shamelessly started the post with a lie. Scarlet body parts were removed!!! Dutch woman did not receive justice and was forced to leave the country!! Aarushi Talwar has been denied justice by the CBI also who are cooking stories. Hundred of cases of rape in goa and delhi which have been blotched by the police just like Muktara mai case. So don’t try to act smart by burying your head in the sand when it comes to rape cases and justice in your part of the world. As I said earlier, if you have so much free time in hand than go write about cases in your country.

    Again immature of you to post a link of one individual to prove your point about Pakistan legal system. I can give you names like Justice Katju and many others to prove the same genius exist in India. You have not been able to question let alone arrest Naredra modi for his part in Gujrat violence. So don’t try to talk as if you are living in an ideal country. Worry about your problems and country and we will inshala take care of our country. Go fix your pathetic legal system first. Once done, please come and enlighten us too.

    You are a bigot and FULL STOP. Talking negative about your neighbors when your own house is dirty just shows your prejudices. Go please fix the constitution of IndiaRecommend

  • MS- Mariya
    Apr 23, 2011 - 4:11PM

    @ All pakistanis: Stop blaming Pakistan or others for the problems we are in rightnow. Stop acting weak by just pointing fingers and not doing anything constructive. This country or its legal systems is weak because of US. This country is in a mess because of US. We choose not to act or protect our fellow pakistanis. We all saw the power of people when we stood up against a dictator like Musharaf and kicked him out. Yes the job is not yet done and we ended with Zaradari!!!! but we have the power to bring positive change by being consistent.

    Now all those feeling sad about this injustice should act now to provide justice to the sialkot boys. That case is following the same steps as Mukhatara Mai and need help from us.

    We need the support of Amnesty International to get a fair trial now :-( Amnesty wants personalized letters to be persuaded to support our civil society efforts for this cause. Act now and bring change forever. Recommend

  • Shuja ur Rehman Raja
    Apr 23, 2011 - 4:19PM

    @ Hopeless: No dear thanks God i am not but you presume so because you are hopeless………….LOL.Recommend

  • Maulana Diesel
    Apr 23, 2011 - 5:11PM

    The Punjab government should make sure that the Policemen involved in gathering evidence in this case from the SHO to the SP be removed from their jobs. I would not be surprised if they have been promoted to another district.Recommend

  • Apr 23, 2011 - 5:38PM

    Please read this post by Sana Saleem – much more detailed

  • Jawad
    Apr 23, 2011 - 5:41PM

    You should stop blaming the Justice System and think about other possible ways to stop these tragedies. Mukhatara Mai isn’t the only one, there are dozens of such cases every day. It is not our Justice system’s fault that this evil existss in our society. It is the fault of society itself.
    You should seriously consider advocating a social change rather than a legal one. Our Justice system, atleast the Appellate system, is as good as any other country’s and our laws are almost a replica of other common-wealth states. So theres nothing wrong there as other country’s seem to do doing just fine with the same legal system in place.
    We should be advocating social change, trying to empower women so that men don’t consider them vulnerable. There is no other way to stop this. The whole case has been blown out of proportion with the certainly biased, one sided covergae by our media in an attempt to corrupt the minds of the adjudicators. Fortunately, they didn’t succeed as that would have set a ridiculous precedent.
    I have all the sympathy in the world for the lady and all other women who have had to suffer in this way but blaming the legal system for a social evil is unfair. The author should consider a more constructive direction and use the power of his words wisely because the current direction would encourage efforts in vain. Recommend

  • Jawad
    Apr 23, 2011 - 5:46PM

    Also, public expectation should have no bearing on court proceedings. The whole point is not to make proceedings biased in any way because, if you”re not aware, a large number of people are falsely accused and they have the right to a fair trial.
    Even if the accusations are not known to be true or false, every defendant has the basic right of a fair trail and the right to be well defended.
    The Courts cannot and should not convict just because the ‘public expects’ them to, that would defeat the whole purpose of a modern legal system and to use your words, are we living in a medieval society?
    If you want convictions based on ‘public expectations’ you’re better off approaching a JIRGA rather than a Court of Law.Recommend

  • Saad Durrani
    Apr 23, 2011 - 6:02PM

    @MS- Mariya:
    Girl. Do Elections. We need more of you in our Parliaments.Recommend

  • Apr 23, 2011 - 6:04PM

    @Mr. ArifQ:

    Thanks for raising important questions. If Raza allows, may I respond to your questions as follows:
    1) Prior to being raped, was Mukhtaran Mai not paraded naked in front of the village? If, yes shouldnt we have some witnesses who could verify this allegation.

    There seems no witness to this, however initially it was reported in newspapers. Nor it is mentioned in the FIR or in the complainant’s case as quoted in the detailed judgement. You can have a look at the judgement here:

    2) Decision to extract revenge by the act of rape was made by the Panchiyat, if that is correct then why is that not being debated or those charged?

    The issue did come to be debated during the hearings, so can be seen in the judgement. It however did not materialize into indictment (or precisely, the convictions) of the Panchayet members, as no witness could be collected for the actual ‘decision’ of the Punchayet. It was stated instead, that Panchayet could not come to any decision because the arbitrator from the Mai’s side (the Saalis) walked out of the Panchaayet and negotiations thuse broke before any kind of ‘decision’ by the Panchayet.

    3) Younger brother of Muhtaran Mai, it is alleged was sodomized by the same group of people
    for his alleged affair with the Mastoi tribe girl.Why is that not being debated or prosecuted?

    This came to be debated and can be seen in the detailed judgment. Since it remained an ‘allegation’ for which no complaint was ever registered, nor any investigations were done to prove / disprove it, the act could not be prosecuted for.

    4) Two judges gave their verdict absolving five individuals on the charges of gang rape, and commuted the death sentence to 10 years imprisonment for one rapist, so basically they agree there was rape but not gang rape, if yes then what was the evidence to convict one and not six?

    Scant discussion about this in judgement reveals that lack of proper medicolegal involving technological advance was the reason why it was not proved that the intercourse was done by more than one male and the semens sample could not prove that they were from more than once individuals.

    5) Third judge with the dissenting note held all guilty, how can that be possible? Two believe innocent and the third thought they were guilty? Should that not be considered as a hung verdict and tried again?

    Precisely! On this point we are considering to file a petition. “we” here means activists who had been pursuing the case, NCSW and some sitting MNAs from ruling party. Discussions are on, in order to bring the government on board so that a petition could be filed by the government with support from all of us. Recommend

  • TightDhoti
    Apr 23, 2011 - 6:31PM

    @ms-mariya- dont blame pakistan, blame US! Thts your solution of stop talking and start acting? Ill just respectfully disagree and leave it at that. Recommend

  • Hasan
    Apr 23, 2011 - 6:37PM

    Aitezaz Ehsan says court decision is contrary to the evidence presented. That’s one legal opinion against the court’s decision.Recommend

  • Anoop
    Apr 23, 2011 - 6:40PM

    @MS- Mariya,

    “This country or its legal systems is weak because of US.”

    –> Well well well, the person who loves to lecture others has the ‘head stuck in the sand syndrome’. I wonder if US had threatened Pakistan to not write a Secular, Modernistic Constitution or had asked its CIA covert operatives to secretly change the laws of Pakistan.

    Your above statement is quite Idiotic. I hope you were being sarcastic, which then is my fault of not understanding the foolish use of it.Recommend

    Apr 23, 2011 - 6:41PM

    @MS- Mariya:
    You appear to be quite ignorant about Manu Sharma’s case. Manu a spoiled brat of a high profile politician committed murder of a bar girl in front of atleast 50 witnesses when she refused to serve liquor to him after closing time ie 12 AM. But Manu using money power and political influence bought various witnesses, was acquitted by the lower courts. A media compaign was launched against this verdict supported by people from all walks of life. The Indian High Court took suo motu notice of the case awarded him life imprisonment on basis of evidence submitted in the lower court which was also upheld by the Supreme Court rejecting appeals made by the accused against High Court’s verdict. Sharma is presently in jail serving complete jail sentence. During the sentence he was given parole( permissible under law) to see his ailing mother which he again try to misuse and same reported by media was cancelled by the court. Infact the above case shows how powerful and just is the Indian media and judiciary respectively.

    On the contrary in Mai’s case, the lower court awarded capital punishment to one accused and the rest four with life imprisonment which was drastically reduced by the High Court. Interestingly, Pakistan Supreme Court thought differently and took suo motu notice of the High Court’s highly reduced punishment verdict and upheld the same. Therefore, the apex court of Pakistan intervened only to deny justice to Mukhtaran Mai who had suffered pain, agony, humiliation for five years and fought a valiant battle against all odds but got no justice at all. This case only proves that how pliable is judicial system in Pakistan. Recommend

  • Hasan
    Apr 23, 2011 - 6:43PM

    @MS- Mariya:

    Stop blaming Pakistan or others for
    the problems we are in rightnow. Stop
    acting weak by just pointing fingers
    and not doing anything constructive.
    This country or its legal systems is
    weak because of US

    Really? How? Were all barbaric laws in the name shariat, such as Hudood ordinance which put women through so much torment and the blasphemy law which has caused grief to no end to so many innocent, enacted by US? Were Gojra and Shanti Nagar committed by US? Did Americans give garlands to the killer of Salman Taseer?
    Blame where blame is due.Recommend

  • Meengla
    Apr 23, 2011 - 7:01PM

    I think Raza Rumi is a very brave and sensible man. But here I have to agree with @Mohammad Asghar said in the first few Comments here: The Supreme Court decided on some ‘technicality’. Ms. Mai had a very good legal team but, due to the incompetence of the police work, the ‘evidence’ could not be fully convincing.
    Please don’t bring down the whole country and the judiciary because of this or similar cases. Don’t forget the O.J.Simpson trial of the 90s’ At that time too there was a wide-spread belief that O.J was guilty but the courts decided based on technicalities which shocked most Americans.
    What we need to focus is to get rid of these implicit and explicit biases against women in the society and in the legal system of Pakistan. How about starting out with getting rid of Zia ul Haq era Shariat laws like ‘Qanoon e Shahadat’ where two women equal one man’s testimony?Recommend

  • Apr 23, 2011 - 8:04PM


    April 23, 2011


    Sr. Advocate Supreme Court
    Advocate for the Appellant

    I am deeply disappointed by the 21st April majority judgment of the Supreme Court dismissing the appeals filed by the gang-rape victim, Mukhtar Mai.

    The majority judgment is manifestly flawed and, in material particulars, is not even based on the evidence available on the record. In drawing their conclusions, the learned majority judges have disregarded cogent evidence and failed to notice actual material on the records and the facts proved thereby. They have also misread the evidence that they have adverted to. The learned judges have also failed to take notice of the social backdrop, which was established on the record itself, and in the context of which the horrendous crime of gang-rape was committed, reported and investigated. The decision of the majority needs to be reviewed and recalled.

    I have consulted with Mukhtar Mai, and we have decided that a Petition seeking Review of the Judgment of 21st April will be filed soon.

    The Petition will contain a full critique of the judgment. Hence there is no need for me to make any other comments in the media on the subject.

    We are grateful to the people, the media, civil society and particularly the women of Pakistan for their committed support in this critical hour.

    Aitzaz AhsanRecommend

  • ArifQ
    Apr 23, 2011 - 8:35PM

    @Marvi Sirmed:
    Many thanks Marvi for the detailed and objective reply, wishing you luck.Recommend

    Apr 23, 2011 - 9:03PM

    @Raza Rumi:
    The statement issued by the learned advocate Mr Ahsan unfolds the injustice meted-out to the brave as well as helpless woman from Pakistan who has not only suffered at the hands of her tormentors but also wronged by the pliable judiciary. We Indians wholly support Mukhtar Mai in her just struggle and sincerely hope that the Pak judiciary who is under scanner from all over the world will undo this gross injustice. The so called judgement will not only encourage the rapists but at the same time discourage the women victims to seek justice from the judiciary in Pakistan. Recommend

  • MS- Mariya
    Apr 23, 2011 - 9:39PM

    @R S Johar: The woman in this world does not need support from any MEN and not especially hypocrites like you. You men shamelessly use these victims to spread your hatred for a nation. Shame on you for trying to use her for your prejudices. What non sense about you supporting Mukhatara Mai. Mukhatara Mai is a Pakistani brave woman…she needs no Indian men support. She chooses to stand up against her accusers even when there was no one to give her verbal support. Recommend

  • Apr 23, 2011 - 9:45PM

    Marvi: thanks for the comment and sharing your thoughts.
    ArifQ – your questions were spot-on. Wish the review proceedings take note of this.Recommend

  • MS- Mariya
    Apr 23, 2011 - 9:48PM


    By US I meant we Pakistanis and not USA!! Was it really tough to understand??Recommend

  • Apr 23, 2011 - 10:15PM

    An excellent piece. The police is more to be blamed than the prosecution. A faulty investigation cannot lead to conviction no matter how good the prosecution.
    You say that the 18th Amendment could not be challenged in court. Why? Even if it says so the superior courts always have the right to enquire in to its vires. But I agree that the supreme court has stepped beyond its jurisdiction in cases of lesser importance. Mukhtaran Mai’s case is not a good omen for us. Unfortunately the PCO dry-cleaned Chief Justice seems bent upon remaining in the headlines and is therefore taking up cases that are ‘news’. One must point out that the Hudaibiaya Mills, Air Marshal Asghar Khan and the Punjab (stay order) Chief minister’s cases would get the same attention from the media. This needs to be pointed out to the CJP by the Media Cell set up by him.Recommend

  • Mastishhk
    Apr 24, 2011 - 12:22AM

    @Shuja ur Rehman Raja…You symbolize All that is wrong with Pakistani civil society !!!Recommend

  • MS- Mariya
    Apr 24, 2011 - 12:28AM

    @Anoop: Unbelievable!! Two Indian men assume the same thing that US means USA. So you really have your head stuck in filthy sand!!

    You are shameless to use a rape victim to display your bigotry. Further shame on you for displaying your low IQ level. As I mentioned to your fellow Indian ‘tightdhoti’ that by US I meant ‘we Pakistanis’. Do you know the word US in English?? Like words THEY THEM WE YOU US!?!?!?Recommend

  • Concerned
    Apr 24, 2011 - 12:28AM

    Raza, why do we have to believe Mukhtaran Mai, just because she is a women or from a low caste. This is sexist and exploitative. Why do we have to think that the police deliberately did not collect evidence- may be there was no evidence. I have taken the pain to read the full judgement- there are serious inconsistencies between Mai’s account and her witnesses and also between themselves. You can always say that she is illiterate and/or uneducated and did not have the benefit of sound legal advice- sorry she has had the best lawyers and support of articulate people like you. Justice means speaking the truth and not being swayed by money and influence (you can read media/police/politicians for this in Pakistan). Yes the courts have done a nasty job with blasphemy cases and it was not for them to judge the 18th amendment but two wrongs don’t make a right. Raza you could have done more incisive and neutral piece then this one.Recommend

  • MS- Mariya
    Apr 24, 2011 - 12:57AM

    @Tribune: Extremely upset with you guys!!! You are one of the best newspaper but not being sincere to your country. You should not post anti pakistani comments at all!!! This nation is going through a lot and we dont need to read rubbish from indians or some gora. You think its good for the confidence of a nation which is already suffering from low self esteem. These anti pakistani group makes it sound that the whole world is after us. You need ot stop indians take over the websites and spread their propaganda.

    Have you visited an indian news website lately?? ever seen a pakistani comment against india posted?? Yes we are a better nation with bigger hearts but this is not fair. They get to write crap on our websites and show us their star plus but we dont stop them.

    Please please stop this.

    Only post comments which are relevant to the post and provide a view on the event. Not post which are written by bigots. Recommend

  • GS
    Apr 24, 2011 - 3:17AM

    Excellent…….You really drive home the point that the criminals are never punished in the land of the PURE.Recommend

  • Anon
    Apr 24, 2011 - 10:06AM

    @MS- Mariya: I was equally disappointed about Jessica Lal and others whom you mention. What makes you think that I feel sorry only for Mukhtaran Mai and not others (anywhere in the world)? And I am also not sure what made you think that India is an ideal country. Haan hum doodh ke dhule nahi hai, aapne sahi bola. If I stop feeling for likes of “Mukhtaran” of Pakistan, will you (by the same logic) reciprocate by not worrying about the plight of Kashmiris. Don’t get hyper, and before someone jumps the gun and says these 2 are totally different things, I am just giving the above as an example, the common denominator being the concern for the oppressed …my house is not clean and neither is yours. That should not stop us from commenting about each other. Its definitely better than killing each other. Talking may not seem productive at first but it is more likely to give us some answers than killing. And honestly agar aap apni khabar rakh le to sabbse jyada khushi Indians ko hi hogi.
    @ Syed Ali: I agree the above topic had nothing to with Indians/Americans. However I was just responding according to my belief in Karma (what goes around comes around, which is applicable to Indians as well as everyone) And yes I am equally vocal about the Indian incidents.Recommend

  • observer
    Apr 24, 2011 - 10:38AM


    Reading your post between the lines,

    My parents have employed 7 muslim and 1 christian domestic helpers.

    Your parents must be stinking rich to be able to afford so many ‘domestic helpers’. Do tell me was the Christian required for all ‘chooda duties (napak ones)’ that the good muslims refused to do?

    To help educate the domestic help my parents are paying for the Quranic education plus basic reading writing.

    OK, so domestics not good enough for the ‘secular education’ which apparently is your prerogative alone. But still, why ‘Quranic education’ for the Christian help, why not Biblical education or some such thing.

    He told them to keep separate plates and not shake hands.

    What? No law against ‘untouchability’ in your country? And, was not this what Aasia Bibi complained about too.

    The mullah was fired immediately after a public bashing from dad.

    Public Bashing? Dad is prone to violence in public and strongly believes in administering justioce by taking law in his own hands?

    So lets not just talk negative you of how the world is coming to an end or how pakistan is going to the point of no return.

    Yes, let us project an image of equality of opportunity and rule of law as MS-Mariya has just done.Recommend

  • Shuja ur Rehman Raja
    Apr 24, 2011 - 10:47AM

    @ Mastishhk: And you symbolise lack of tolerance for others opinions. Sorry to say but most of us on this forum suffer from self righteousness syndrome the same disease that is suffered by extremists. Who gave you the right to label others. You hold the same attitude that is held by Taliban, Abdul Khaliq and leads to rise in extremism in society. You are proud to declare that only you are right and all the other are wrong. In my view attitude like this is different from Talibans.

    It is a discussion forum dont looses sight of this fact…………….. Learn to tolerate and respect the views of others.Recommend

  • Shuja ur Rehman Raja
    Apr 24, 2011 - 10:49AM

    @Mastishhk: In my view attitude like this is no different from Taliban.Recommend

  • Apr 24, 2011 - 6:52PM

    @Marvi Sirmed:
    With regard to your answers to point Nos. 2 & 3 in response to @ ArifQ allow me to say that the Supreme Court is the ultimate court in the land. It has what are called plenary powers, in fact a duty, to do full and complete justice. The Supreme Court can, in a fit case, go behind all technicalities in order to fulfill its obligation to see that justice is not only done but also seen to be done. In this case, and I say this on just a first reading of the judgment, the court has taken refuge behind technicalities in order to deny the complainant justice. For example it has quoted a dozen cases to show that appeals against acquittal judgments are rarely allowed and that the names of some of those involved were not mentioned in the F.I.R. Needless to say that there are rulings to the contrary too. Moreover it has dug out the ‘revenge’ factor’ (“there is an element of vengeance” page 23) to cast doubts on the complainants story.
    And what if there was no complaint lodged for the alleged incident involving Mukhtaran’s brother? The Supreme Court should have gone into the matter itself. There was no bar either legal or Constitutional to prevent the Supreme Court from doing that.
    There are a plethora of cases where the Supreme Court and even the High Courts have gone beyond technicalities in order to do justice. Justice Kaikaus of the Supreme Court has said in a landmark judgment “All technicalities have to be avoided unless it be essential to comply with them on grounds of public policy. Any system, which by giving effect to the form and not to the substance defeats substantive rights, is defective to that extent.”
    The review petition has very few chances of success unless the judges want to do justice to themselves.Recommend

  • pakpinoy
    Apr 24, 2011 - 7:25PM

    @Shuja ur Rehman Raja:

    Because PAKISTANI, yes PAKISTANI, men committed the hideous crimes!! Who should be blamed for the crimes then?? Obviously, to you, someone who DID NOT commit them should be blamed! DISGUSTING!!!Recommend

  • mussarat Hussain
    Apr 25, 2011 - 3:10AM

    Well said ” Mukhtaran Mai Pakistan has again betrayed you”. Please help recall me “Was it ever loyal to anybody?


  • Apr 25, 2011 - 7:19PM

    The cheap heading caught my eye but, thankfully, the text is not as bad as I had feared.

    The fact remains that the very people who are now engaged in an embarrassing show of chest beating maintained a deathly silence when Dr Aafia Siddiqui, having been physically and sexually abused in American captivity, was sentenced to 86 years’ imprisonment. These are basically a bunch of self-flagellating cowards who are ever willing to shout loudly to denigrate things Pakistani but you hear not so much as a whimper from them when it is time to criticise the USA.

    Mukhtaran is a symbol of what is wrong with Pakistan’s anti-Islamic society where a disfigured form of Islam is used as a convenient tool to achieve selfish aims. We have thousands of such unfortunate women in Pakistan who do not ever receive a fraction of the justice that Mukhtaran has. Pakistan’s self-styled liberals, a tiny minority of the population, are mostly content to sit in their drawing rooms and fire off stirring articles to win a pat or two on the back from their foreign friends. Such hypocrisy is nauseating, especially as some 98% of Pakistan’s population would not be able to read and understand the grandiloquent prose these people write in a foreign language.

    The so-called liberals inhabit a surreal world where they smugly talk to each other in a foreign language, blithely unaware of the state of mental enslavement they suffer from. A very important reason why we have widespread ignorance in Pakistan is that this “educated” segment of the population chooses not to inter-relate with fellow Pakistanis in the lingua franca, Urdu.To break the spell of anti-Islam on our society it is very important that we follow Quaid-e-Azam’s example and relate human values to Al-Qur’an and not to the decadent western societies.The Urdu press is rapidly coming of age with plenty of balanced articles but more are needed.

    If we are ever to have a level playing field in Pakistan then it is essential to replace English with Urdu in our national life. This is one of the easiest of reforms that can be implemented. What stands in its way is a deep psychological reluctance in Pakistan’s ruling class to free itself from bondage to the language and culture of the English speaking world (initially, it was mostly British influence, nowadays it is mainly American).Recommend

  • mind control
    Apr 25, 2011 - 10:41PM

    @Sakib Ahmad

    Have you translated this article and your response in Urdu for the benefit of your target audience? If yes I hope you have stuck to short simple sentences as in any case,not more than 10% of any population will be able to understand ‘grandiloquent prose’ in any language.

    I am sorry to be a spoil sport, but following the Qaid-e-Azam’s example will also lead you back to the ‘alien language’ and not Urdu. As any biographer of the Qaid will tell you, his Urdu was extremely limited and he used the alien language to expound his views. Further, I have not come across any evidence to the effect that grandiloquent Urdu is any more intelligible, to the Seraiki,Sindhi, Pushto and Baloch speaker, than any other alien language.

    All said and done, I am not too sure that the Jirga or Panchayat, deliberated on the fate of Mukhataran Mai in a language which was even remotely alien.Recommend

  • Mastishhk
    Apr 26, 2011 - 4:08AM

    @ Shuja ur Rehman Raja….Dear I apologise if my straightford comments had u rattled…If ur logic applied to what happened in Mukhtar Mai’s case or for that matter in any case of similar nature, all rapists would be roaming scot free. In the issue under discussion, Mastois too had an opinion, so should we go ahead and respect that opinion too. Its okay to have an opinion but would you mind applying some logic that opinion????

    A Flawed opionion would always be cricticised. In this case a hapless woman was harassed, Raped , Intimidated and denied justice. The state and the judiciary both have to take a blame for this as they failed to protect Mukhtar Mai.If ur Juvenile opinion is to be applied here, then Mukhtar Mai must have set up herself for rape.

    Go get a life dude…If u want to express opinions on a public forum then have the stomach to difest criticism as well..Next time u get the itch to talk try talking sense…..Recommend

  • Apr 26, 2011 - 8:06PM

    raza rummi wrote the half truth. from day first some islamabad base NGOs through her mooltan base offices r associated with this case. yet they failed to follow investigation and fail to point out loop wholes in evidence. salman akram raja, a lawyer pointed out such legal issues and adviced women activists to do their home work too. pressurizing judges not to follow legal procedure is neither good in any case, we should call for immidiate procedural change whatsoever is required. Recommend

  • Apr 26, 2011 - 11:46PM

    @mind control

    I write on the spur of the moment, in Urdu or English, as the case may be. I rarely translate between languages. The target audience here is the unfortunate Pakistanis who have been brainwashed by the kind of education that foreigners choose to stuff them with – which alienates them from their own history and culture and gives them a permanent feeling of inferiority in relation to the English speaking world. You will rarely hear words of condemnation issuing from their tongue-tied mouths where the culprit happens to be the USA.

    I am sorry to see that you know so little about Pakistan’s history. Quaid-e-Azam was a product of British rule in India, who led his people from slavery to freedom, and declared that henceforth the lingua franca of the Muslims of India was to be the national language of Pakistan. He was looking ahead to the new generations of Pakistanis, his own life as a member of the subject race ruled over by the British was a thing of the past.

    May I suggest that you click on the following links to learn a little about the greatness of Quaid-e-Azam? Not for nothing was Jinnah given that title!

  • mussarat Hussain
    Apr 27, 2011 - 4:57PM

    @Ayesha Siddiqa:

    Of course Aisha, this is not the time to go into debate or discuss complications of pakistani law that comes from colonial regime. Shattered Mukhtaran Mai just need Justice that doesn’t seem to be off the hand in Pakistan.

    Justice is purely meant for a specific group or class in pakistan. Pakistani judiciary knows well whom it should please so that they can go home with “Justice and Honor”.

    It is only Establishent of Pakistan that doesn’t want Musharraf to be extradited to Pakistan and “Judiciary” knows very well how to obey orders. It has nothing do with the culprits of poor Mukhtaran Mai. Pakistani judiciary is helpless before powerful “feudals’ of South Punjab.

    You know what I mean?

    Mussarat HussainRecommend

  • Apr 30, 2011 - 2:38PM

    An article by a western reporter, published in The News today, will come as a bolt from the blue for Pakistan’s self-styled “liberals” dying to please their foreign paymasters and friends. These ridiculous people, devoid of any self-respect as Pakistanis, are incapable of measured criticism of Pakistan’s highest institutions.

    Here’s the link to Bronwyn Curran’s article:

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