Raymond Davis saga: Victims' families leave country say sources

Published: March 16, 2011
Neighbours of the families say they haven't seen them in two days and their homes are empty and locked. PHOTO: AFP/FILE

Neighbours of the families say they haven't seen them in two days and their homes are empty and locked. PHOTO: AFP/FILE

LAHORE: Initial media reports surrounding the release of Raymond Davis suggest that the families of the victims killed in the Lahore shooting have  left the country on a second plane. Their neighbours say they haven’t seen the families in two days and that their homes are empty and locked.

Sources say an aircraft carrying more than 10 people left Lahore airport and is headed to Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. They also say the families have been given Green Cards and homes in New York state and Washington DC.

Raymond Davis case time line

  • Three Pakistanis were killed brutally by US Consulate officials in Lahore on January 27.
  • Police arrested US citizen Raymond Davis from the crime scene and a case was registered against him on January 28.
  • A court handed him over to police on a six-day remand on January 29. The very next day, the United States demanded Pakistan release Davis and hand him over to Washington.
  • On January 30, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton telephoned her Pakistani counterpart and demanded the release of Davis.
  • On the 1st of February, the Lahore High Court issued orders to put Davis’ name on the Exit Control List. Davis was handed over to the FIA for investigation on February 4.
  • On February 6, the widow of Faheem, one of the victims, committed suicide.
  • On February 7, the Lahore police presented a challan against Davis.
  • US Senator John Kerry arrived in Pakistan on February 15 and the Federal government told him that the court would decide whether Davis enjoyed diplomatic immunity or not.
  • On February 17, the Lahore high court gave the government three weeks to present its version on Davis’ immunity issue.
  • The court during the same hearing granted a 14-day remand of Davis in another case for posessing illegal weapon.
  • On February 22, US officials confirmed that Raymond Davis worked for the CIA.
  • On the 3rd of March, the court rejected the immunity petition of the accused and decided to carry on with the case.
  • On March 8, the court handed Davis copies of the challan against him which he refused to accept.
  • On the 14th of March, the foreign ministry replied to the Lahore High Court confirming that Davis had a diplomatic passport but did not state clearly if he enjoyed diplomatic immunity.
  • The court ruled that Davis’ immunity issue will be settled in the trial court.


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Reader Comments (118)

  • Colorado NRI
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:23PM

    They probably just went to Disneyland.Recommend

  • bunny
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:28PM

    shame on us….simply shame on usRecommend

  • Ray D
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:35PM

    Mazzay ho gaye … challo the guys didnt die in vain … baaqeee family kee to zindagi ban gayee .. they should all invite Raymond over for Thanksgiving at their condos in NYC and Wash DC Recommend

  • Mirza
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:35PM

    Finally it is proved that all the fuss was about money and overseas immigration and not about Islam or Pakistan. I am glad that the truth finally came out with theh Punjab goverment and the free judiciary.

    It can only happen in Pakistan. The bigger the fuss the more money could be extracted! When Saudi Arabia with its money came into the picture, all the Islamic activists disappeared. Ultimately it is all about money and not Islam or Pakistan. It only proves what money can do in our culture.

    Mirza, USARecommend

  • In God We Trust
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:35PM

    This worldly affair is an attractive peice not easy for human to avoid only strength of faith can hold us safeRecommend

  • fahim
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:37PM

    well done.. get the moeny and leave pak. that was a much wiser choice to do than living for the most degraded, corrupt, bankrupt, internationaly isolated terrorist country like ours. You guys had a full future in front of you and there is no point crying over spilled milk. Recommend

  • Human
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:37PM

    What a government! WE NEED A REVOLUTION, OUT ON THE STREETS EVERYONE!!!Recommend

  • Azeem
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:38PM

    I guess the rest of the family doesn’t have to rob people anymore for living. This was clearly a self-defense case. Those brothers clearly wanted to rob him at gun point. US should not have given money to the family. Pakistani Court should have dismissed the case in the interest of justice.Recommend

  • Abu Abdullah
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:39PM

    I don’t blame them, they were poor and the offer might have been very lucrative. But our spineless leadership should face criminal and mutiny charges . Recommend

  • Copper
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:40PM

    The worst part is the guy who got killed by the vehicle of US embassy. He got killed and his family got nothingRecommend

  • Abu Abdullah
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:40PM

    ^^ Cont… Charge the PPP Gov for letting all this happen.Recommend

  • Mulla Toofhan
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:42PM

    The family has suffered a lot not only by losing their loved one, but also being haunted by Mullas, Govt, Courts Media, and the Americans but atleast the Americans offered them place to live peacefully and have a better life which they well deserve and I am sure they have left by choice. What would have Pakistan and Mullas offered given them, More pain and sorrow.Recommend

  • sureboy
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:43PM

    Being an American feeel proud today of our country for successfully releasing our CIA agent. This will teach a good lesson to pakistani government henceforth not to hold any American in Pakistani jails afterall we are ones supporting pakistan economically and militarily. Common Pakistanis need to understand that Pakistanis are surviving today just because of the America and no one else. If we stop aid your country will fall apart and no one will be able to save Pakistan not even God.Recommend

  • Mar 16, 2011 - 7:43PM

    Does anyone remember Aimal Kasi? Compare the two cases. Pakistan hands over Kasi to the US, while the US buys their intel murderer back! Shame on the losers here for handing over Aimal Kasi.Recommend

  • LOL
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:48PM

    Just goes to show that when given the chance, the “aum taur ka admi” will also leave Pakistan.Recommend

  • mohsin abbas
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:48PM

    what a give n take! Probably they were ordained to be Americans in the ridiculous garb of pakistanis after this cia contractor´s brutal killing spree! No match of can be found for this pakistani Logic. Anyhow ” All is well that ends well.” To me Shakespeare lived only to prophesy about this Pakistan. What a horrible Fate we have in store! I am really fearful of this current state of affairs in Pakistan. Good Luck to Hapless n Helpless Pakistan. Pakistan ka Khuda hi Hafiz! Recommend

  • Raonn
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:49PM

    Mysterious …………….the nation should know what the government of Islamic Republic got for herself.Victim family if left after having got the certificate of good life in America that deserved, but what about the Govt, Rehman Malik got what and how much $rs?Recommend

  • Eeman
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:50PM

    Bravo U.S. see the price it has paid for releasing its national. Can we settle Americans in Pakistan by offering them houses in Lahore or Islamabad for killing our people in Waziristan?

    No way. Recommend

  • Abdullah
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:52PM

    They just disappeared? After they first said they would not accept blood-money, and then their lawyers say they were forced to accept blood-money?

    Very convenient for the Pakistani Government!

    Wonder what has really happened to this poor family.Recommend

  • bunny
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:53PM

    It will be disney land for a while but soon after that things will change when their own killed people will be coming in dreamsRecommend

  • Mar 16, 2011 - 7:58PM

    noooooooo its bad newsRecommend

  • Mar 16, 2011 - 8:04PM

    A sad day for Pakistan and our judicial system.

    I am completely shocked, disappointed, angry, bewildered, saddened, confused.

    Another blow to our esteem and our worth as a Nation.

    The court did not have to go along with diyat, as it is a criminal court and can go ahead with the case even if the families ‘pardon’ the killer.

    Everyone just passed the buck until the families finally relented. Death threats, financial inducements, attempts to kill by force feeding rat poison, offers of a US visa and harassment. All of these probably took their toll, and the pressure finally became too much for the victims’ families to bear.

    If I had been a leader of one of these so called right wing parties, I would have offered the families double the amount they were given, only not to pardon the killer. NOW that would have given some respect to these ‘religious’ parties.

    Now the Americans and Indians and any others, have been given a license to kill, with impunity, as long as they come on diplomatic passports.

    Shameless politicians and a shameless populace.Recommend

  • vasan
    Mar 16, 2011 - 8:04PM

    Musharaf was right when he said that Pakistanis wouldnt mind to get raped to go to Canada. Recommend

  • Chilli
    Mar 16, 2011 - 8:09PM

    Its sad that we once again proved that we are dollar nation.Recommend

  • Mahmood Ali
    Mar 16, 2011 - 8:13PM

    hahaha…good for them. green card for free, soon they will be driving taxi in NY city.

    btw… self respect, dignity and values is looking its meaning in our society.

    $$ can buy anythingRecommend

  • Star Of David
    Mar 16, 2011 - 8:14PM

    Welcome home Raymond Davis. Truly there is a Higher Power at work out there. Just Relieved and Ecstatic. Fantastic News.Recommend

  • A
    Mar 16, 2011 - 8:16PM

    This whole drame was/is organized by Pakistan Army and ISI. They are palying the main role behind and knew the whole story. The nation must asked them to bring the truth to their blind nation.Recommend

  • Babloo
    Mar 16, 2011 - 8:23PM

    Was it necessary for the Pak government to make a mockery of itself and its laws by this juvenile behaviour from day 1 of the episode ? The ‘victims family’ should have called for an open auction and see if the right wing in Pakistan matched the monetary offer from USA. It should hasve been telecast live of Geo tv. This was an unfair, closed auction of Pak nationhood. The question is, who else may have been paid off ?Recommend

  • Mar 16, 2011 - 8:24PM

    Blah blah blah.

    Some Amreeecan dude puts two ‘ROBBERS’ to justice, sadly the public is enraged and parties start to play the ‘foreign’ hand card.

    Na baap bara na Bhaiya sub se bara Rupaiya . The family runs away with money and passport. Aloha from Hawaii ! Recommend

  • N M Javed
    Mar 16, 2011 - 8:30PM

    Good for the victim families. It’s like a happy ending of 24 Hours-the movie. :)Recommend

  • Z.Z
    Mar 16, 2011 - 8:32PM

    UncleSam: Please make your choice
    1- Take 20 crore, leave country and forget everything.
    2- Live a poor miserable life in Pakistan, and we will try our best to make it worse.

    (Imagine you are the family head of victims).Recommend

  • Nadia Coffee Shop
    Mar 16, 2011 - 8:46PM

    20 crore please thank you sir.

    But not the green card.

    Full US Diplomatic Passports all around and dinner (Halal Gosht) at the White House.Recommend

  • saleem
    Mar 16, 2011 - 8:47PM

    But in Zia’s Laws it is allowed. is’t it?Recommend

  • Bangash
    Mar 16, 2011 - 8:47PM

    These are the same families who demanded “Blood for blood”, and the same Pakistani nation that was yelling about sovereignity and hanging Davis.

    In the end the Dollar solves all problems. Pakistanis do know how to put on a good show!Recommend

  • Amir
    Mar 16, 2011 - 8:59PM

    The families fooled everyone. They were looking for a deal, and offer they could not refuse. And all our politicians, media, the baffeled public has been taken for a ride. And the family got a ride to greener pasture…Recommend

  • Imran
    Mar 16, 2011 - 9:01PM

    Haaa haaa haaa fool pakis don’t u think US is already paying billions of dollars as blood money.Pak is a very pet animal of US.US can allow u to bark but it has already broken your teethes Recommend

  • Har Maal Do Do Rupaiyah
    Mar 16, 2011 - 9:02PM

    Goes to prove the logic behind my alias – everything can be bought and sold in Pakistan. Now only if we could buy back time to return this country to Quaid-e-Azam’s vision of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Aroob
    Mar 16, 2011 - 9:09PM

    This shows how screwed the Americans are. Even if the family has forgiven Raymond Davis, Diyyat has no value in American Law. How can they use an Islamic law, one against which htey campaign, to their own purposes, and we and our government let them do that. And does even Diyyat hold here? If the one person who had the claim on the dead person’s life was the widow who commited suicide and wanted blood for blood!
    If the American nation has any sense of morality, they should bring this man before the American Court. Recommend

  • Uza Syed
    Mar 16, 2011 - 9:15PM


    Money! Money! Money, a lot of money! Recommend

  • Uza Syed
    Mar 16, 2011 - 9:16PM


    And we help them strike a better deal!!!!Recommend

  • Vietnam
    Mar 16, 2011 - 9:24PM

    The government forced the family to accept and then the media is trying to discredit the family.Recommend

  • Vietnam
    Mar 16, 2011 - 9:25PM

    The real BeGhairat are the intelligence agencies and the army.

    Its they who sold Afiya Siddiqui. The american goal is to destroy pakistani nationhood.Recommend

  • Babba Lou
    Mar 16, 2011 - 9:35PM

    Thank god for sharia law. (diyya)Recommend

  • adeel
    Mar 16, 2011 - 9:38PM

    what about the espionage he was involved in?? we sold our countries with our hands… Army..Fedral govt. Provincial govt all involved.Recommend

  • Imran
    Mar 16, 2011 - 9:47PM

    how much blood money for all pakisRecommend

  • Raza
    Mar 16, 2011 - 9:57PM

    You should learn to spell first, before insulting my country.

    Nations like the UK can’t say no to the USA, so what do you expect us to do?Recommend

  • John Sahir
    Mar 16, 2011 - 10:04PM

    Seriously, this much fuss about the killing of 2 street thugs vs the minority ministers death by the hands of terrorists. Recommend

  • Uza Syed
    Mar 16, 2011 - 10:14PM


    Why not —– good price today!Recommend

  • Mirza
    Mar 16, 2011 - 10:28PM

    On one hand Pakistanis like Islamic laws, the army and free judiciary on the other they are now against this “Islamic deal” under Sharia law. You cannot hate the same laws you claim to love. If anybody opposes this open, fair and legal deal then they should come out against this unjust law.

    Either the law is good or it is not, it cannot be both. Grow up and and be civil. The Pakistani law favors the rich killers and you have to live with that. Either stand up against the ancient blood money laws or put up and shut up! Everything is for sale in Pakistan.

    This deal was finalized between ISI, CIA and the “free judiciary” with the blessings of Saudia Arabia, the custodian of our holy places. It is all open and kosher with the blessings of Punjab govt. Either put up or shut up with the Islamic Sharia Laws. Now you might get an idea how minorities feel in Pakistan?

    Mirza, USA

  • Mar 16, 2011 - 10:28PM

    A sad for Pakistan, I am ashamed of being a Pakistani today , either the law of the jungle works or it is that our law r not respected in the world ,what’s the use of having a independent judiciary when people like RD can kill someone & then fly away w/o even a hair being touched?Recommend

  • Saad
    Mar 16, 2011 - 10:29PM

    Well, all that’s left to say now is that paisa bolta hai! A sad day for us indeed. And whatever happened to the other victim, who got hit by the car?Recommend

  • faraz
    Mar 16, 2011 - 10:35PM

    @Har Maal Do Do Rupaiyah

    Quaid Azam also supported British during the second world war and encouraged people to enlist in the British armyRecommend

  • ik
    Mar 16, 2011 - 10:40PM

    Sorry for the victims wife who committed suicide – She’d be having a hell of a time in US today.Recommend

  • Irfan
    Mar 16, 2011 - 10:43PM

    Paisa bolta hai :)

    20-30 Crore and houses in newyork and washington will be too tempting for families who relied on loot .
    Well they will not have to earn anymore and involved in looting .

    Good deal for them.Recommend

  • Amer
    Mar 16, 2011 - 10:52PM

    The family was coerced into this “deal”, all evidence is out there. Wife of one of the victims comitted suicide and is dead, she was not clearly interested in a deal and the wife of the other is on the record having said in multiple interviews that she was not interested in money and only was only for revenge. It is a shame. Pakistan was never freed, just went from being part of British empire to American empire. This is the truth. Even if the murderer had to go free, it should have been done with dignity. Aafia Siddiqi should have been brought back and Davis sent. Not like this. Not like this. It is so shameful. Islam and its laws were ridiculed. Now every one is saying we paid “blood money”. Pakistan’s sovereignty was undermined. Recommend

  • crankthatskunk
    Mar 16, 2011 - 11:05PM

    It proven once and for all, Pakistan and Pakistanis are for sale. Anything and everything can happen in Pakistan for fistful of dollars.

    The irony is in this episode the whole Pakistani society is exposed, anything else could have never done this. Central Government is involved, Punjab Government is involved, Judiciary is involved, the agencies including Army is involved with our friends/Masters, America and Saudi Arabia.

    Whole world knows the worth of Pakistani nation and its citizen; they know they could murder Pakistanis with impunity without any consequences. It is only matter of throwing few millions in the spanner and viola you go scot-free.

    Well done Zardari, you are master of deceit, it could only happen under your watch. You have proven Pakistani blood is cheap with two examples in few days. First calling for strike in Sind on Judiciary decision, in the process more than 40 died in Karachi, with no investigations and no consequences for the killers, you just shut down the office of People’s Aman Committee. Small price to pay for the murder of over 40 people.

    Now this bad news. It could only happen in Pakistan. Recommend

  • Mar 16, 2011 - 11:13PM

    Our great prophet has ordered this in Sharia law to take money and forgive the murderer or rapist. What the Government has done is that they just followed the teachings of the prophet. Recommend

  • Meekal Ahmed
    Mar 16, 2011 - 11:21PM

    If true, I am glad the families are gone for their own safety. They would have probably all been killed by some lunatic.Recommend

  • Sehr
    Mar 16, 2011 - 11:30PM

    Saleem, I completely agree with you. It happens all the time and it’s legal. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think Davis should have been released but this whole blood money thing…. not a shocker for me. There are many proponents for ‘blood money’ amongst us. Recommend

  • anuj mehta
    Mar 16, 2011 - 11:30PM

    well…not a bad deal though….imagine what families would have got after all this drama..everybody knew that Davis would be freed one way or the other…..at least they have secured future of generations…..after Sialkot lynching which showed cruel, barbaric and sick face of a society pakistan is turning into…..i would not give a second thought for any opportunity to leave such a country….Recommend

  • Sammy
    Mar 16, 2011 - 11:41PM

    Eggs on the face of all right wing parties/ They made themselves look fool…. Recommend

  • ani
    Mar 17, 2011 - 12:14AM

    To the Ghairat Brigade:
    So much for all that bravado! LOL. A few dollars and arms twisting later, as usual, there is a wimper and submission at the feet of the “satan”. The ghairat brigade of the “pure” can’t find any place to hide. But I know you are convinced it was a conspiracy from the beginning. Both victim and shooter are out of the country – probably heading to the USA to live in the same neighborhood. It was always a scheme: Raymond Davis was sent to rescue CIA agents and their families in Pakistan. The two agents had to be killed to silence them and their families flown out to protect national security. Also, it was always a scheme to embrass the Zardari government. Now spread that dandy justification and nurse your wounded pride! Recommend

  • maryum
    Mar 17, 2011 - 12:24AM

    i feel ashamed to be pakistani today… Recommend

  • pakistan on sale
    Mar 17, 2011 - 12:25AM

    shame on us.we are slaves!Recommend

  • jerry
    Mar 17, 2011 - 12:37AM

    Choice is yours —-Hard Earned Money OR Blood Money

    Why work so HARD in this failing economy ,

    Easy way to get Millions ,you dont even have to buy Lottery

    Get One of your family Member killed by American and Get RICH easy recipe

    Oh Start with all Bravado ,Hit the street with Banner ,Get help from Religious party
    Get people involve on march ,use religion ,politics and what not

    hey then start working with Amrican to negotiate BLOOD MONEY ,VISA for US and House in US


    you will get a life man ,Ask your family member if they want to sacrrifice their life for you????

    Sure you will find an answer soon

    Way to go ,After all we have found new way to get super rich

    Hey where is NOBEL COMMITTE????Recommend

  • Salman Arshad
    Mar 17, 2011 - 12:43AM

    It looks like the whole country is Jealous today !Recommend

  • goggi
    Mar 17, 2011 - 12:45AM

    @Mirza: mirza saab there is a very old sanskrit saying, “Dhana moolam idham jagath!” Means, the world/earth revolves around money! kheer ho aapkiRecommend

  • jerry
    Mar 17, 2011 - 1:01AM

    Caption from Pakistani American society


    We welcome them with open heart and garland

    we miss QADRI ,hope he was able to accompany them too.Recommend

  • maryam
    Mar 17, 2011 - 1:06AM

    Come on people, give them a break! As if they had a choice. Government pressured them to pardon him. US undercover agencies in pakistan threatened them. One of the men was even attacked. And who knows where the helicopter was headed!! (I don’t believe it was US nor do I believe they were actually paid!)
    All cover up stries. Shame on our Government.
    I am currently living abroad. A woman asked me today where I was from. I felt embrassed and ashamed while answering her.Recommend

  • Mar 17, 2011 - 1:10AM

    Guys you said a lot, but you should see the original factor if their family do so? my guess is that they are forced to do so, our govt. can do anything.
    But my all sympathy (find your word) is for the women who suicide in hope of her death will penalize her husband killer. really sad God bless her. Recommend

  • Sobriquet
    Mar 17, 2011 - 1:36AM

    With your grammar and sentence construction, you ain’t no American! Boy you should have enough courage to be yourself. Recommend

  • Sheryar Farooqui
    Mar 17, 2011 - 2:20AM

    See Surah Baqarah 178-179Recommend

  • Syed
    Mar 17, 2011 - 2:20AM

    news reports are that these families were invited for umrah and final negotiations were done there. !! Recommend

  • Meekal Ahmed
    Mar 17, 2011 - 2:26AM

    That was not a statement that we should be proud of. It was disgusting spoken like a true arrogant dictator who thought he was god and would rule forever.

    Well, guess what?

    He is hiding like a rat, avoiding Interpol and he will never dare to come back.Recommend

  • adeel qadri
    Mar 17, 2011 - 2:31AM

    Its not just the sharia law… It was the case of espionage…nobody talking about that. All agencies.. Kiyani, Pasha, Zardari, sharifs know whose behind all bombings in pakistan… still they let it happen…as the oridinary ppl are dying.. ordinary soldiers are dying… not them.. they are enjoying extended stay in office and luxury life. Good for the families they left this jungle and went to US.Recommend

  • Noman
    Mar 17, 2011 - 2:47AM

    I laugh at those who were made fool in the name of Freedom of justice, Free judiciary and Mr. Iftikhar Choudhary (Sold). Recommend

  • Nadeem Ahmed
    Mar 17, 2011 - 3:05AM

    Since our great saviour Mard-e-Momin, Mard-e-Haq, Zia-ul- Haq, Zia-ul-Haq with the support of religious fanatics had implemented Qisas and Diyat Qanoon, thousands of Murderers, Serial Killers, Terrorists, Rapists and other dangerous criminals have been pardoned under this law, also same number of victim families have received cash, gold, land, women, cattle and other assets. If another alleged killer has used it to get similar results, then what’s the big deal. Only because he is an American and these fanatics hate America. Did they forget that, anyone who ever spoke against this law, religious fanatics threatened him with dire consequences. Now same religious fanatics and their supporters are criticising the same law. Aren’t they insulting Islam and have become blasphemous themselves.Recommend

  • Wollstonecraft
    Mar 17, 2011 - 3:22AM

    The lucky ones! I guess a lot of you are just envious that they got the dollars and the home in the US at the cost of two thieves in the family. Who said, crime doesn’t pay?Recommend

  • Peace On Earth
    Mar 17, 2011 - 3:22AM

    This is what happens when various elements in Pakistan (e.g. Islamic clerics, politicians, media) stick their filthy hands into an affair that should have been handled domestically and without outside interference.

    We will never know if what Raymond Davis did was truly in the name of self-defense or just plain cold-blooded murder. I believe it was in self-defense as no American would be foolish enough to shoot a Pakistani in a country with anti-American sentiment.

    I hope that the victim’s families are able to rebuild their lives and their children prosper in America where at least they will be accepted and given an opportunity to succeed without having to feel pressured by various elements who care only about their self-interests.Recommend

  • Mar 17, 2011 - 3:56AM

    Does anyone remember what an american judge had said about pakistanis during the trial case of Amal Kansi who was captured in Dera Ghazi Khan by the american agents with the help of pakistanis. He was taken away to America where he was tried and later put to death. The judge had remarked that pakistanis can do anything for the sake of money even they can sell their mothers for money. In this case, reverse has happened. Mothers have sold the blood of their sons. SHAME.Recommend

  • brian
    Mar 17, 2011 - 5:09AM

    if true, disgtusting…THis tellls us Davis was THAT important, to bribe the familise, who were ready to sell their souls for a trip to the land of Great Satan. They are helping the yanks kill more of their formed fellow country men/womenRecommend

  • brian
    Mar 17, 2011 - 5:22AM

    It looks as if money can buy anything and anyone,..,.given the right price. Corruption is endemic in most soceties and justice and rule of law is a burdensome joke.Recommend

  • s.g. Jilanee
    Mar 17, 2011 - 6:34AM

    The more shameful part is the role of Saudi Arabia acting as American agent as always. Recommend

  • Tariq Ahmad
    Mar 17, 2011 - 6:57AM

    I guess this nation deserves everything it gets. Earthquakes, floods and maybe pestilence next. A few dollars can buy the honor. What a religious nation. Money can buy the rich not the poorRecommend

  • tarek
    Mar 17, 2011 - 7:09AM

    Shame on all pakistanis who were seeking political mileage from the deaths of these two men.
    The family members did the right thing which was in line with islam. The US government must’ve apologized and paid the blood money and resettled the entire family. I am happy for the family because they did not do anything wrong which went against islam and they must’ve been compensated well. Blood money is part of Islam because it stops fitna, and in this case fitna was stopped.
    The mullahs should be ashamed for taking advantage of the deaths of these two people. No pakistani lost anything from their deaths, only the victims family lost something and only they deserve to gain something from it.Recommend

  • saqib
    Mar 17, 2011 - 7:19AM

    U r devil not human n. Keep in mind Allah can do any thing @sureboy:Recommend

  • Ashutosh
    Mar 17, 2011 - 9:19AM

    Blood money is allowed under Islam.
    Might is right in Pakistan and Islamic nations.

    I though this deal what perfectly in accordance with Islam and the practices in Islamic nation.

    I wonder what is fuss is all about? Correct me if I am wrong?Recommend

  • Raza
    Mar 17, 2011 - 9:29AM

    Welcome home Davis! USA greatest country on planet. We can go to any lengths to even save our contracted merceneries. God bless the united states of America!Recommend

  • Rayyan
    Mar 17, 2011 - 11:53AM

    Guys! Whatever it is but Islam has given the right to the heirs of the dead to compromise and take blood money……They did that way too…..This should not be made an issue. Its not a big deal. Dont waste your time…..Pakistanis can sell their Mothers for money……Just remind these comments by a US Lawyer he said in a court room…..They did it!!!! Don’t worry you people are too sold by the authorities.
    I object only on the Green Card, they got it and flew away to America like thieves. They shouldn’t have……They must have faced the tension raised in the country.
    I feel very sorry for Shumaila Faheem (the widow of the deceased Faheem).
    May Allah rest her soul in peace. (Amen)Recommend

  • vasan
    Mar 17, 2011 - 12:03PM

    Did Zardari get his 10% cut or something more this time.Recommend

  • Tony Singh
    Mar 17, 2011 - 3:30PM

    To all who feel Pak govt betrayed them :
    While all life is precious, the victim’s family got the best compensation. Though dead cannot be brought back to life, at least their near and dear ones will have a chance to improve their quality of life, RD would have been released anyway. It is all easy for us, with no position of responsibility, to say the Pakistan govt sold out on RD, but its difficult to shoulder such responsibilty. In my opinion Pakistan’s govt did what was best for the families of victims and for Pakistan.Recommend

  • Waqar
    Mar 17, 2011 - 4:34PM

    Analyse the two videos (Thankyou Express):

    Video 1

    Video 2

    In the first video, you can hear the neighbor contradict the journalist’s statement who mentioned that the family had not been living at the rented house for at least 48 hours, yet the neighbor states that they had left yesterday at about 1.00 pm (less than 24 hours).
    The neighbor stutters, mumble for words and avoids prolonged eye contact, looking towards his right side and below, in other words his body language suggests he is uncomfortable with the questions posed to him or he is lying.

    The second video is a complete contrast to the statements and non-verbal cues to the first video. The cousin Kashif is coherent and confident in his statements. A couple of days before, he mentions that he sat down with Faizan’s family member (brother?) and they reiterated that they would not forgive Raymond on any account, that they wanted his blood for blood (1.20 secs) and justice to prevail. The family had been receiving death threats right upto the night before. Kashif seems genuinely shocked and clueless to the sudden departure and whereabouts of the family given the context of frame of mind, they were in a few days.

    If they were kidnapped or (God forbid) disposed of, then the claim of taking blood money and escaping the country conveniently fits the official narrative of the Pakistani establishment. Let’s wait for the statements made by the immediate family members.

    I suggest all calls made by the families should be logged and traced, lest it it be someone pretending to be a family member.Recommend

  • Jawad
    Mar 17, 2011 - 10:22PM

    He killed a person
    gov did nothing about that
    to get attention and “INSAAF” HIS wife killed her self
    Gov did nothing
    he was a spy.
    he was a killer
    he got caught
    Gov again did nothing
    and let him Go

    Shame on this gov
    pakistan is a wonderful country but in BAD HANDS now.
    shame shame shameRecommend

  • Jawad
    Mar 17, 2011 - 10:33PM

    it might have broken gov teeth
    gov is like 20 people
    we are 18 cror
    beware Recommend

    Mar 17, 2011 - 11:33PM

    they have been pushed to leave the country…@Mirza: Recommend

  • Shahid Malik
    Mar 18, 2011 - 12:24AM

    Its sad day for pakistan. But i dont blame the families of the victims as one can clearly understand how much they have been suffering at the hands of their own Governments. As per media reports its not a secret that the law enforcing agencies, Government it self are pushing the families to settle as there was no other way to bring the killer out safely as per the wishes of their Uncle Sam. They way the trial took place speaks itself for the active role of the Goverment and their wish that Raymond davis gets out clean and out of country is itself a proof how much far they are willing to go…..pressing the already grieved family is not a big issue. One cannot imagine a mother selling the blood of her son…..when i think about it my heart bleeds..but i really understand how much she would have been forced to do it…may be for the safety of rest of her family….who knows……All I can say we as a Nation Failed today because even there is pardon for killing there should not be a pardon for crime against the state but after all its not a state.Recommend

  • Shahid Malik
    Mar 18, 2011 - 12:29AM

    Just remember what happened in japan!!! Never try to speak like God, you will regret. As for your comment you are right…you should feel proud. Your Government didnt left your man behing enemy line…..ours left their men within their own line. We are ashamed.Recommend

  • Shahid Malik
    Mar 18, 2011 - 12:35AM

    Dont be ashamed. Put your effort to bring a change. Vote next time……we dont vote and our votes are stolen by powerful ones……think….and contribute for the change. Recommend

  • Sultan Chawla
    Mar 18, 2011 - 12:36AM

    Where is somoto actions??? In Washington ! Shame on judiciary Recommend

  • Sultan Chawla
    Mar 18, 2011 - 12:41AM

    Us$20 remember that? That lawyer was 100% right Recommend

  • Mar 18, 2011 - 12:45AM

    Exactly what I wanted to say!Recommend

  • Sultan Chawla
    Mar 18, 2011 - 12:51AM

    Anybody thought about that poor women who killed her self??Recommend

  • jimmy
    Mar 18, 2011 - 1:52AM

    hahah pakis forced the americans to accept the islamic law:))
    seems its not pakis only but americans also sell teir mom when they see their benefit:)Recommend

  • syed asif iqbal
    Mar 18, 2011 - 1:57AM

    the result which came out at the end was inevitable. we are living in a country where money really makes the mare go. no one can deny the fact that we are a nation corrupt to the core, and a puppet of America.Recommend

  • Mar 18, 2011 - 5:36AM

    Dear Raymond, Thank you for giving us USA visa & money we could never image, sincerely your victims family.Recommend

  • Tariq Ahmad
    Mar 18, 2011 - 6:40AM

    Under the laws you want to have this is what happens. Islam allows this and the people got paid EOSRecommend

  • Amer Badayun
    Mar 18, 2011 - 8:46AM

    This system of ‘patchwork’ exceptions,
    sanctified by extra judicial ‘stakeholders’,
    cannot deliver true justice,
    or binding correctives / punishment / sentence.

    Time to draft secular laws.
    But for that to happen,
    the legislators have to legislate,
    instead of the slugfest we have in the national assembly.
    And they won’t legislate.
    Because after Taseer and Bhatti,
    they have learned their lesson.
    Only too well.

    Still, Pakistan needs a secular legislative,
    executive and judiciary, independent of each other.
    In short, Quaid E Aazam, was right.
    We must become a secular state.
    We have been in denial for too long. Recommend

  • Ravindra Mishra
    Mar 18, 2011 - 9:05AM

    As an Indian (please hold your anger, I am not here to insult or rub salt into your wounds.); I can only say this. It seems, what allowed this to happen, is the fact that your laws are open to allow for this to happen. Which means, logically, the laws are not ironclad and need to be reformed or at least, re-framed. Preferably both. But this will be difficult, as we already seen in the case of the blasphemy laws and its impact on the lives of Taseer / Bhatti and Rehman.

    This is a tough and tight position for any society to be in. What I admire most about all the Pakistanis posting on the thread here on the Tribune, whether you are for or against the motion / topic, is that you are willing to debate without hurling abuses at other countries, my own country, India included.

    I have always thought it to be a lie that certain countries are pre-disposed to be a democracy. Any country can become one. It needs enough people talking out rationally the issues that prevent them from becoming one. They say democracy is a form of government, that is non-absolutist. Not because it is determined by the individuals, but also because it is an ideal goal, that is always remaining to be perfected. May Pakistanis achieve this in my own generations time on this earth. India could not ask for better neighbours.

    This event is a reminder that the serious agenda of a secular Pakistan remains unaddressed. That Muhammad Ali Jinnah’s considerations and directives have to be honestly studied and implemented. We, in India, thanks to certain academicians and politicians, who have had the resolve to educate us about our own history, have begun to reconsider both the flaws and the virtues of Jinnah’s persona, politics and philosophy apassionately. Vilifying him, turning him into a mascot for communal hatred has not served anyone well. Let us not allow the continued hijacking of his vision. Only the Pakistanis can do that. Recommend

  • Ali
    Mar 18, 2011 - 12:21PM

    Pakis have once again proved to be the lowest scum on earth. Touche.Recommend

  • Junaid Abbasi
    Mar 18, 2011 - 1:22PM

    I am shocked to haer the news about the victim family.It is proved by this case that Pakistani authorities are doing so only to take the handsome rate from Americians.
    Diwat is only applied on the raymond case not on afiia siddiqqui case not on Amel kansi case not on yousef Ramzi case not on faisal shehzad case because they are pakistani and some pakistanies are also ready to sell their mother irt is proved from this case americans are right.
    Americians pay special thanks for the Raymond escape in the form of drown attack in pakistan.Pakistani authorities includind judicary are blind and dishonest.Recommend

  • Ali
    Mar 18, 2011 - 2:18PM

    I guess now people should have seen the real face of our Judiciary. For God sake, don’t be fooled by these so called lawyers moments and media campaigns in which they show our Justice as the greatest hero. They are no better than our politicians.

    Please wake up! the only good option for a nation like ours is Musharaff.Recommend

  • Shaikh
    Mar 18, 2011 - 3:07PM

    Kill ME America.
    i am a poor men and our country have no future plan.
    i was interested in suside but NO.
    now i want any american kill me please.
    my family agree to sign anywhere.
    court is no metter.
    your justice is metter.Recommend

  • Rana Asghar
    Mar 18, 2011 - 3:56PM

    Millions of Pakistan would be envying the relatives of dead victims. Fastest way to become a millionare with a green card & an apartment in New York City & Washington, DC. Not a bad deal after all. Mullah’s are angry for what since everything went as per law.Recommend

  • vasan
    Mar 18, 2011 - 4:21PM

    Easiest way to get Green card and settling allowance for one’s wards and relatives. Jump before CIA vehicle and get killed, preferably in a crowded place. Or try to rob a CIA Agent with a dummy gun.Recommend

  • realist
    Mar 18, 2011 - 6:20PM

    @John Sahir:
    really sorry but hypocrites we are .. Recommend

  • ms
    Mar 19, 2011 - 1:14AM

    guys forget abt it . i mean thr is no use of talking abt this aspect.Nothing is gonna change Recommend

  • Alex
    Mar 19, 2011 - 1:49AM

    They are probably having Mai Tais in Hawaii with Davis since its freezing in east coast.
    Everyone came up except the people of Pakistan and good old tax payers of US.Recommend

  • Yusuf
    Mar 29, 2011 - 1:02AM

    The whole was stage-managed by ISI to get the waiver from USA against Gen. Pasha. Please, note that he got 1-year tenor extension, next day after release. Only time will tell, if the case in US court against General Pasha (for Mumbai terror attacks) will be withdrawn or diluted. Content of deal consumated at Oman, between Gen. Kayani and US representatives, has not been made public; and whatsmore civilian government of Pakistan had no say on it. Strange are the way things happen in Pakistan these days.Recommend

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