Veena Malik and the moral brigade

Published: December 24, 2010

The writer is consulting editor, The Friday Times

Pakistan’s electronic media is now a repository of the grand opinion setters of the Urdu press. Almost all channels have employed conservative writers of the Urdu press and given them immense outreach to air their well-known views on nationalism, religion and ‘culture’. Whilst the primary pastime of these wise men is to fan anti-Americanism, their domestic agenda is directly related to what the clergy, since 1947, has wanted Pakistan to be: an unadulterated Islamic state. The only caveat is that none of them can define what an Islamic state and society entails.

In recent days, there has been a concerted campaign to malign Veena Malik, our television starlet who has dared to participate in the famous and brainless Indian reality TV show, “Bigg Boss”. Pakistani artists have continuously defied jingoism and performed across the border. Currently, Rahat Fateh Ali Khan and Atif Aslam are immensely popular in India and their nationality makes little difference to millions who admire them.

Veena’s case is altogether different. She appeared on “Bigg Boss” with Begum Nawazish Ali in the first phase. Viewers voted Ali out while Veena Malik survives on the show as a lone Pakistani and thus far has integrated herself into mainstream Indian TV imperatives. Her conduct on the show is a huge concern for the clergy who think the way she dresses is immodest, her interaction with men is unbecoming and, therefore, she has undermined the great values of an Islamic nation. Incidentally, the fortress of Islam is also known for honour killings, Hudood laws and a wide gambit of discriminatory laws and practices. Never mind, only we are allowed to mistreat our women.

In a nutshell, Veena Malik has challenged the middle class morality embedded in the Urdu press and, by extension, its electronic counterpart. The mere fact that a Pakistani performer is prancing around in western clothes and playing to the Indian viewers’ gallery by indulging in mock-romance with a ‘Hindu’ actor has alerted the guardians of public morality also endearingly known as the ghairat brigade. The imbecile notion of ghairat largely focuses on controlling women and regurgitating militant nationalist narratives through state and non-state actors. Anchor after anchor has prodded hostile commentary on Veena Malik and declared her short of wajib-ul-qatl. This is not too dissimilar to the public floggings of the Taliban variety.

Thus, the brainwashing project of Pakistan’s questionable journalists continues. Hate the US, crush India, fire nuclear weapons to free Kashmir and let mullahs set head money for alleged blasphemers. These are the perennial messages, with a few exceptions, relayed on a continuous basis.

It is also true that Indian TV and its inspiration, the Bollywood circus, resort to the worst kind of commodification of women. By supporting Veena’s choice, one is not condoning all that is wrong with the corporate model of entertainment across the border. However, that is a separate debate. If unofficial estimates are correct, Indian TV channels such as Star Plus and Colors had a huge following in Pakistan before their transmission was banned. This demand for Indian pop culture is a reality and needs to be dealt with. Passing fatwas and declaring cross-border entertainment a ‘Hindu’ conspiracy is simply disingenuous. It is ironic that these same TV channels play Indian film songs to comment on serious political developments.

Given that we live in a country where media regulation is absent and any critical voice is construed as part of an anti-media campaign, challenging such hypocrisy is problematic. Millions of Pakistanis cannot be held hostage to a few moralists and their zeal to purify public culture. Ours is a plural and diverse country and cannot be tailored into a linear, fascist society. The thirty-year-long project to Islamicise Pakistan has faced the innate resilience of our lived cultures. This is why Veena Malik’s right of artistic expression needs to be protected.

Published in The Express Tribune, December 24th, 2010.

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Reader Comments (156)

  • Asim
    Dec 24, 2010 - 12:47AM

    I partly agree with the writer, but he is trying to justify one bad for the sake of denouncing the other bad. The bad is bad in any form, and if we could maintain our balance and objectivity while analyzing should be better. What mullahs are doing are bad and so are Veena’s adventures.Recommend

  • Dr.Khan
    Dec 24, 2010 - 12:56AM

    There is a great difference between artistic expression and vulgarity!!
    Why are we trying to become something we are not?
    We are Muslim nationRecommend

  • faraz
    Dec 24, 2010 - 1:19AM

    All senior right wing political “analysts” entered mainstream media during the Zia era and were part of the dictator’s propaganda machinery. They developed thier understanding of history and politics from the fabricated fables of medieval caliphs and it reflects in their conservative conspiracy laden columns. They dont have the ability to identify the contradictions present in their own views.Recommend

  • Rabiya Butt
    Dec 24, 2010 - 1:25AM

    We are Muslim nation this is a really tired sentence that seems to describe the ills of the Pakistani community !
    We are Muslim nation because we do nothing when the Taliban destroy learning institutions so that girls cannot enjoy the aspects of education?
    We are Muslim nation when our daily life is ridden with corruption?
    We are Muslim nation when the poor suffer and the rich pretend that poverty does not exist?
    We are Muslim nation when innocent men, women & children are blown to pieces yet we blame the rest of the world and refuse to remove these despicable vermin from our land?
    We are Muslim nation we are allowing the killing of minorities?Recommend

  • Dec 24, 2010 - 2:36AM

    I cant believe that they are people out there that think that Islam is somehow threatened by, or Pakistan’s image is compromised by one person! Talk about being insecure.

    Also, there is a hint of misogyny in these type of arguments. No one questions male actors, singers and cricketers from Pakistan who cross the border and prance around in “western” cloths, and mingle with actresses and models. Recommend

  • Dec 24, 2010 - 3:03AM

    Logics, reasons, sensibility, freedom, respect and acceptance all loose their values when “BUT it is ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan” argument is thrown at your face.Recommend

  • Ahmed
    Dec 24, 2010 - 3:08AM

    Ironically Rabiya, it’s very parochial thinking on your part to ‘condemn’ those who say that we are a muslim nation and attribute condoning of said actions upon them. Unless you really think that being a muslim nation entails all that. They’d just respond by saying that we must strive harder to become a ‘true’ muslim nation. Nothing is going to come out of this ‘deviling’ of the other.Recommend

  • noor mohammad
    Dec 24, 2010 - 3:18AM

    This is alltogather the politics of India to distroy the image of pakistani women. They intentionally picked bad persons from pakistan in their show.Recommend

  • Mehr
    Dec 24, 2010 - 4:02AM

    Not particularly bothered by Veena’s behaviour if it’s looked as that of just a show participant. But definitely find it quite disturbing if it’s looked at by foreign audiences as representative of all of Pakistan. With that logic, one should be expected to believe that a 2-faced participant such as Tiwari would be representative of all of India. We all have our share of all kinds. If it were known that Veena belongs to a certain district I feel most would understand where that OTT behaviour comes from, and actually think better of her for being apparently educated etc :) —-her filmy (sometimes vulgar) behaviour aside, what I find interesting is that the channel which brought up this distasteful debate in the first place, and gave those mullahs a platform, belongs to the same group that owns this very newspaper which criticises and insinuates that the urdu press is bigoted. Funny.Recommend

  • Dec 24, 2010 - 4:03AM

    She might actually win it, but will have to apply for asylum there. She knows that’s the industry that can take her one step close to Hollywood. The woman is talented, ambitious, and successful. Mulla’s and their apologists are jussst jealous ;)Recommend

  • jatinder othi
    Dec 24, 2010 - 4:22AM

    There are bigger issues threatening our world lets bring those into limelight..Leave Veena Malik alone ..she is not the culprit. Recommend

  • Talha
    Dec 24, 2010 - 4:39AM

    Veena for President, who is with me ?Recommend

  • Salma
    Dec 24, 2010 - 5:35AM

    Excuse me Mr. Rumi, but you do not speak for me. i am NOT right-wing and consider myself quite liberal, but I am thoroughly disgusted by Ms Malik’s behaviour. Since when has being a moralist or sticking up for morals become a social ill. Mr Rumi, opinions like yours are on the wrong side of history. Pakistan is changing and IF it is becoming more moral, in my humble opinion, it is for the better.Recommend

  • Naina Pandita
    Dec 24, 2010 - 9:13AM

    Veena has not only challenged all sensibilities she is out and out to ensure that India and Pakistan never can be friends. She is using the publicity for her own gains. Ali was thousand times better and very dignified. Unfortunately, our gullible audience is ready to lap up the rubbish shown on the show.Recommend

  • AHR
    Dec 24, 2010 - 10:05AM

    @ Asim: Very true. We need to maintain our balance and objectivity. Both sides are wrong and both sides are not worthy of the importance being given to them. I am aversive to the right wing ideology but at the same time also don’t like Veena and her antics. What is bad is bad. Recommend

  • TKhan
    Dec 24, 2010 - 10:07AM

    Yes We are Muslim nation but we are one of the poorest nation too. Surprisingly there is not a single Muslim nation or country in the top rows of list of countries on the Quality of Life Index. Ever wondered why?
    .
    Yes We are Muslim nation but also one of the most corrupt nation. Surprisingly there is not a single Muslim nation or country in the top rows of the “Worldwide Corruption Perceptions ranking of countries”. Ever wondered why?
    .
    Yes We are Muslim nation but our country is one of the most unsafe place in the world too. Surprisingly all the other ‘unsafe’ nations are Muslim nations too. Ever wondered why?
    .
    So please spare us from this Mullahgiri. We are already hopeless, what else are you seeking? Recommend

  • Ali+Khan
    Dec 24, 2010 - 11:09AM

    Kodoos to the “Imooral brigade” for supporting the promotion of vulgarity.
    A cheap tactic to portary oneself as “liberal”, “secular” amd “Pro-Western”. An attempt to get attention of the Pro-western, vulgarity promoting NGOs.

    Keep it up Mr Raza Rumi. one day dollars you will receive a rain of dollars for your untiring effort of promoting the “Immoral Bridage.”Recommend

  • Zeenat Bukhari
    Dec 24, 2010 - 11:14AM

    @Naina Pandita – Oh spare the rest of us trying to define Veena Malik as the ambassador that is responsible for that India and Pakistan never can be friends.
    People this is a reality show, Veena is an actress/comedienne, she is not an UN ambassador who has been sent out on a mission to garner peace. The definition of a reality show is just that you witness incidents that are far from real and this is pure entertainment.
    If any of you have a problem watching Veena on this reality show then turn your television off and STOP preaching to the rest of us about morality!
    It must offend some and entertain some; Veena Malik has managed to market herself to the Indian television viewers and has never proclaimed herself as a saint. The religious trumpeters are not used to seeing a strong Muslim woman display her emotions they would like to censure her every move, but it looks like Veena Malik has the last laugh!Recommend

  • Dec 24, 2010 - 11:17AM

    Garbage ! Ridiculous article
    I would like to know ! Are you trying to justify her desperate attempts on every other man in the house ! Sharing a blanket with a male house mate or her Cabray on the dining table ??!?! or her intentional seduction mode switched “on” all the time specially when speaking with the host of the show ??????
    Where the heck does this religious debate come in here ???? what in the world has happened to our standards and moral values every other society upholds???? Religions comes AFTER all that~!
    and all the this coming from a girl ! IF Islam doesn’t allow us to be SLUTS like Veena Malik and run naked on streets than be it ! I don’t think we are mistreated or subjected to any bias and no one controls us. you can relax now
    Please use this pen for something useful next time
    Recommend

  • Eram Ali
    Dec 24, 2010 - 11:24AM

    @Eccentric – Take a chill pill brother; and use your rant on something that might help Pakistani society. I am truly amazed at what you all consider artistic freedom, and artistic censorship?
    Where is your rant when you see the evil permeating around you?
    Where is your rant when you see nepotism entrenched with corruption at every corner?Recommend

  • Hamza Baloch
    Dec 24, 2010 - 11:37AM

    We all know that writer belongs to secular brigade, certainly he “should” speak on this.

    But he is blaming the media as “conservative”, among the 5 top news channels of Pakistan, only express tv programmed on show on this “issue”.Recommend

  • Robin
    Dec 24, 2010 - 12:33PM

    As an Indian Hindu, I am ashamed that Veena Malik is prancing around in 1/2 naked clothing and titillating Indian viewers. Even tho I don’t watch the show, now I want to marry a white Pakistani Muslim as most Indian Muslims are black. ANd so I must agree with the Urdu pressRecommend

  • salim
    Dec 24, 2010 - 12:55PM

    Our Punjabi movies are as bad.Recommend

  • Naina+Pandita
    Dec 24, 2010 - 12:55PM

    @Zeenat.. I never called her an ambassador. As citizens we should work towards friendship between the 2 countries. Tell me one thing do you or anyone dance with their shoes on the dining table? Is Veena not using this programme to garner publicity in India and maybe get a chance to work in our films? Believe me I am not trying to offend any feelings.Recommend

  • Anoop
    Dec 24, 2010 - 1:02PM

    “..mock-romance with a ..”

    –> On what basis are you claiming it as “mock”. Do you have some kind of evidence that Veena is putting on a show?

    I think you are trying to suggest that Indian TV is trying to exploit that woman which is not right. They have tried to exploit all the people on the show not just the Pakistani citizen.

    “..Ours is a plural and ..society”

    –> Haha. Sure. Plurality and Tolerance go together. You cannot claim one without the other. I think Veena even may have to take extra security measures if she is going to live in Pakistan from now on.Recommend

  • Sandeep
    Dec 24, 2010 - 1:05PM

    @Robin

    Sad to hear your viewpoint.

    @Zeenat & Rabiya

    Well said!

    @The Author

    Her conduct on the show is a huge
    concern for the clergy who think the
    way she dresses is immodest, her
    interaction with men is unbecoming
    and, therefore, she has undermined the
    great values of an Islamic nation.
    Incidentally, the fortress of Islam is
    also known for honour killings, Hudood
    laws and a wide gambit of
    discriminatory laws and practices.
    Never mind, only we are allowed to
    mistreat our women.

    So true, its no ones business to comment on Venna Mallik. She should be free to do wotever she sees fit.Recommend

  • Ammar
    Dec 24, 2010 - 1:24PM

    What about the Mujras performed in theaters and shown uncensored on our cable channels? Did our Ghairat Brigade ever hear the songs of Naseebo Lal? “Yeh Dosti Hum Nahi Choren Ge” etcetra, what is this then? If these things do not dent the morality of citadel of Islam then how could poor Veena?Recommend

  • saima
    Dec 24, 2010 - 1:29PM

    Veena is amazing. She is smart woman… and I am a Pakistani as well, who is modern. Pakistan is built on majority muslim BUT secular nation. And muslim , can be anyone… not only the burkha clad women.

    Please stop the nonsense of demeaning any woman…. Pakistan is a great nation and the women no matter how they dress whether nude or clothed are all great.

    Hope this helps…
    We are tired of this hypocritical drama… that pakistanis play. I am a Pakistani woman and I am proud of wearing a mini skirt as well as shalwar kameez and equally well for wearing a saree which belongs to my city – karachi.

    Veena is an ambassador and so are all PAkistanis around the world including me in a mini skirt as well.Recommend

  • saima
    Dec 24, 2010 - 1:34PM

    Veena Malik’s right of artistic expression needs to be protected.
    I agree… we are free to do as we will. To each its own.

    The finger pointers are all evil and are trying to sabotage a person’s free will.

    If as a muslim, I was to not wear a scarf, marry a non muslim, or even a hindu or a gora, that is my choice.
    Is as a muslim, I want to kiss someone before marriage or even have sex before marriage then that is my choice.

    No one needs to play Allah here. What happens in my life is between me and my allah…..

    No one can force religion on us. We respect all religions and we dont tell those losers who wear naqabs to remove them and we dont tell people what to do.

    So yes, Veena has a right to do as she please. And that my dear is the botton lineRecommend

  • WhoWasThatMaskedMan
    Dec 24, 2010 - 1:39PM

    “I partly agree with the writer, but he is trying to justify one bad for the sake of denouncing the other bad. The bad is bad in any form, and if we could maintain our balance and objectivity while analyzing should be better. What mullahs are doing are bad and so are Veena’s adventures”[2]Recommend

  • Kanchan Dawani
    Dec 24, 2010 - 1:47PM

    Well, if Veena Malik in Big Boss is considered Vulgar and not “Islamic”, then choose one of her movies to show to the entire world what she is all about. And judge then which is better.
    We ourselves make movies in which these actresses are running almost naked and putting themselves onto the “na-mehram” actors! What happens then? What r we representing then? It is immensely sad that people blame the Indian Media for any of Veena’s acts.
    And personally speaking, Veena is so much better than lots of people in that show. Atleast she is what she is. And u dont disown somebody just because u think they are not appropriate!
    Come on Pakistanis! Get a life! Think BIG!Recommend

  • Ayesha Ilyas
    Dec 24, 2010 - 1:51PM

    Dear writer u better watch VEENA MALIK’S ARTISTIC EXPRESSION in BIGG BOSS’S HOUSE along with your parents, sisters and your daughter.. n i hope u wont mind her getting inspired by VEENA’S ART
    NO OFFENCES its just freedom of expression
    RegardsRecommend

  • Naina+Pandita
    Dec 24, 2010 - 1:55PM

    @Saima..you may wear mini skirts and do all what you want..its good you want to break all shackles of society; but will you flaunt all this on Television with 1/2 the world watching? I dont think so. Will you religion permit you to do so..again I dont think so.Recommend

  • Damha
    Dec 24, 2010 - 1:58PM

    I am amazed at all the people here who are following this show, ‘Big Boss’. I for one, fail to understand whats the point behind it. What is the show trying to prove? And what good are we getting out of it.Secondly I’m disappointed at everyone who’s trying to defend Ms. Malik. I’m a liberal and I believe in freedom of speech and actions, but I’m a Muslim first. And Ms. Malik is supposedly a Muslim, I’m not trying to judge her, because her actions are speaking loud enough. And she DOESN’T by any means represent the Pakistani Nation,

    I would also like to add in the reason for our nation’s downfall. We are too busy creating issues out of things we should totally ignore and ignoring issues that lead to disasters. There rape, hunger, suicidal attempts, murders, illiteracy and corruption to deal with. Pakistan needs to growup. And people like Veena Malik can be dealt when we have enough time at our expense.Recommend

  • Babar
    Dec 24, 2010 - 1:59PM

    Why is all this such a big issue when done on Indian TV and with an Indian guy. There is no big issues when on Punjabi or Peshto cinema.Recommend

  • Naina+Pandita
    Dec 24, 2010 - 2:00PM

    To all Veena fans…she is going to be evicted today. The Channel is taking this step so that they do not have to move the show to an 11 pm slot. So please lay down a red carpet for her.Recommend

  • FK
    Dec 24, 2010 - 2:02PM

    by the world’s perversity, the straight path is stigmatized and the wrong path is praised. Recommend

  • Dec 24, 2010 - 2:05PM

    “Ours is a plural and diverse country and cannot be tailored into a linear, fascist society. The thirty-year-long project to Islamicise Pakistan has faced the innate resilience of our lived cultures.” Hear Hear !

    The ‘ghairat brigade’ is once again in action and as always the attention is on a woman who has ventured into an ‘enemy’ country and has questioned the middle-class values. How dare she? Did she forget that she is from ‘Islamic Republic’ where we persecute minorities in the name of religion?

    The comments here reflect our collective hypocrisy. We are so obstinate about the singular linear ideology that is battered down our throats through our distorted textbooks and resulting middle-class discourse, that we fail to accept or even admit that there is a diverse group of people living in this ‘Land of Pure’ – a group belonging to different faiths – preaching different values. Yet we always want to impose ours. Sad indeed.Recommend

  • karim
    Dec 24, 2010 - 2:15PM

    veena malik whatsoever doing in India is her own choice,we should not meddle in the affair of a loyal citizen of Pakistan if she is succeeded wining the inspiration of Indian people it is her greatest achievement we should encourage such kind of bold characters,,,,her winsome performance may not lead the country towards the solution of Kashmir or any related issue but it may helpful to understand each sides depressed people who are born only to to be brain washed jut to vomiting hatred under heave stone of some interested groups .such kind of performances may create a soft public image which/is darkend by both side right wing extremists where Kashmir is grinding to its worst,,,,,Recommend

  • hassan
    Dec 24, 2010 - 2:17PM

    welll this article was a rubbish one… n secondly, iv read all commments n m amazed to read dat few of u guys think dat wht veena is doin is somthing related wid art. m student of art n i know what art is… well i will not coment on veena n big boss i wud lik to say dat alllllllllllll movies n dramas showing nudity n vulgarity shud not be allowed to be watched in pakistan.
    we know well so many girls hav been raped daily in pakistan including young girls, i think this credit goes to our media whch is interested in showing vulgar adds movies n dramas .. m talkin bou english movies n pakistani stuff too… these kind of things hav made our young generation sick. i think govt shud stop n put a ban on such channels immediately. Recommend

  • Shoaib Farooqui
    Dec 24, 2010 - 2:22PM

    Okay…so why are people watching Indian channels anyway? or why are Indian channels still not blocked by the cable-wallahs? or why the hell our own channels depending on Indian content for prime time entertainment? kahin hum sab ‘chay’ to nahi??? :O bingoRecommend

  • Rohit
    Dec 24, 2010 - 2:36PM

    Jaunk jo madrase ke bigade hue ho mullah,
    unko maikhane le lau sudhar jayenge.

    said 150 yrs ago by Ustad Jaunk, great poet of Delhi and contemporary of Ghalib……….Recommend

  • Dec 24, 2010 - 2:49PM

    “It is ironic that these same TV channels play Indian film songs to comment on serious political developments.” <<<<<< I find this so ridiculous! They really do need to stop.

    I do agree on the most part, except that there is no artistic expression when it comes to Veena. Her entire persona is unbecoming, but I find the men in the BB house just as shady as she is. Unfortunately in our society, people tend to overlook the men and focus solely on women when it comes to policing morals.

    I find it ridiculous that people say she’s representing Islam or Pakistan as the reason for their outrage. I think it’s mostly because it’s a favorite pastime to pick a woman and put her in the gallows for all to gather around and point fingers. She chose to be on international television, so ridicule her all you want, but no one has the right to decide that she needs to be punished.Recommend

  • NaK
    Dec 24, 2010 - 2:51PM

    Definetly “THING BIG” but not show “BOLD” :)Recommend

  • Dec 24, 2010 - 2:57PM

    Start your thinking as “Being a Muslim”. For sure you’ll get the answer at first place.Recommend

  • Omair Zeeshan
    Dec 24, 2010 - 3:06PM

    +1 hehehehehehe. Recommend

  • Saira Saba
    Dec 24, 2010 - 3:09PM

    Veena Malik… even though talk of the town these days and surely none of our business…but I must say, she got the guts !!Recommend

  • Irfan
    Dec 24, 2010 - 3:23PM

    I may be repeating what many others are already saying “Mind your own business”. If I was an actor I would never go and participate in such show because I don’t like it but that’s my choice. So all the up holders of Islam / custodians of moral values (No matter how hypocritical they are) can continue practicing what they believe. The bottom line is I have a right to lead my life in the manner I choose.

    About nations pride, what pride do you think we have left. We are beggars right! begging for money all over the world doesn’t affect the national pride, a girl does!

    Haven’t any one hearing news these days, 2 to 12 years girls are being raped / gang raped right here in our country and all we are concerned with is Venna Malik!

    This nation is hopeless.Recommend

  • iWatch
    Dec 24, 2010 - 3:24PM

    Meh.Recommend

  • Dec 24, 2010 - 3:28PM

    Whats ironic is that the most severe critics of Veena Malik are the people who watch the show pretty regularly as well, including people on this blog. If you don’t like what you see, change the channel. Surely you people know how to use a remote control. Veena Malik is not on that show as a representative of Islam. Thats just an illusion proffered by the Mullah Brigade to our by and large benighted nation. She didn’t even make any claims to represent Pakistan, and if somebody, including Pakistanis, thinks that a single person can represent a country of 180 million, then they’re just stupid.Recommend

  • Dec 24, 2010 - 3:34PM

    And the ‘liberal bashers’ on this blog should realize that liberalism allows you to choose your own world view and respects that, it isn’t merely siding with ‘western’, ‘secular’ ideals. A Mullah is as likely to be liberal as, say, Veena Malik or Raza Rumi.Recommend

  • hopeless
    Dec 24, 2010 - 3:37PM

    In all this humdrum of gahirat brigade and freedom of expression let’s not forget that Big Boss is stupid programme, with lots of loonies misbehaving with each other in the name of entertainment and reality TV. I cant watch this show for more than 2 minutes. Recommend

  • vikas+ranjan
    Dec 24, 2010 - 3:40PM

    For a moment turn the issue around and look at all that Veena has achieved.
    As it is a vast majority of Indians probably knew next to nothing about Pakistanis, beyond what they see on their TV screens and news papers. And they see more of the likes of Kasab, Hafiz Saeed, Masood Azhar, Ilyas Kashmiri and co. than ordinary Pakistanis. In this backdrop, sudenly walks in Veena Malik, a vivacious young lady, well spoken, poised and likeable.
    The Indian middle class screeches to a halt in its tracks and says, ‘Hey wait a minute, she is so much like us.’. In one instant Veena has managed to humanise those that were more often depicted in an entirely different light.
    Give her that.
    I am not qualified to comment on how Pakistanis view her or should view her, but Indians do see her as a person who looks,walks,talks,behaves just like us.Recommend

  • Dec 24, 2010 - 3:41PM

    Why putting blame on religion for everything and all the time?? Can,t understand that.
    Her ultra seductive, luring behavior is indigestible and unacceptable even to the Hindu contestants of the show. As the hot winning candidate, Samir Soni puts in “indecent”, also Salman Khan,s conversation with her last week!! and so on……… Please, have the courage to call a spade a spade.

    Though, I admire her overall performance. She has definitely changed a reality show into an entertainment flick! and deserves a big prize from BIGG BOSS even if she gets evicted. Her attire, interaction with Pamela, her communication skills, all r a big plus.
    Only, a little self-control cud have avoided all the controversies and still kept her in the show. Recommend

  • Maham Sikandar
    Dec 24, 2010 - 3:42PM

    Assalam-o-Alaikum !!

    Being a part of a great country Pakistan i would like to say that these type of articles are just for a single reason and that is “to know the mentality of the people in a particular region, say in this case Pakistan”. i am very much disappointed to see these kind of articles and views of some of our young lot.

    we can be a prosperous nation without getting naked.
    we can be prosperous without wearing short skirts.
    Hijaab & beard will not throw us back in stone age…believe me, rather it will bring us the glory that we had lost long before.Recommend

  • JustWondering
    Dec 24, 2010 - 3:48PM

    So much is happening around the world and indeed in Pakistan and India…and this is what took the writer’s fancy?Recommend

  • Dec 24, 2010 - 3:51PM

    Oh and yes, being the only contestant from “another country”, she impulsively becomes a representative of Pakistan, just like SHILPA was in big brother! Recommend

  • SBK
    Dec 24, 2010 - 4:05PM

    Artistic freedom should not jeopardize the religious values and national honor………………… She is a Muslim first then a Pakistani and and then an actress.Recommend

  • sarosh
    Dec 24, 2010 - 4:07PM

    The middle class and lower middle class is the real problem facing pakistan,not only is the the middle class deeply conservative ,they are extremely corrupt and bigoted,after all a country where the middle and lower middle class subjects its children to gang rape is surely going to feel threatened by Veena malik’s popularity with the indian audience.We talk about morality ,islam and blah blah blah and at the same people are invoved in all sorts of evil practices like gang rape of babies,honour killings,female circumsion.pakistan is well and truly heading towards a right wing sponsored blood bath.Recommend

  • Hamza+Baloch
    Dec 24, 2010 - 4:07PM

    Kanchan Dawani

    No one is apreciating those movies. Those movies are also bad.Recommend

  • AKBAR+DURRANI
    Dec 24, 2010 - 4:09PM

    Atta Boy !Recommend

  • Zainab+Imam
    Dec 24, 2010 - 4:26PM

    My problem with Veena Malik has nothing to do with how she dresses (I actually think that she carries it off quite okay) or her relationship status with Ashmit Patel (she clearly has a agenda which is obvious to those who’ve been following the show and understand the way the game is being played). My only problem is that she’s behaving really weirdly … not dignified at all. I am only analysing her as one of the contestants of the game — not as a woman, a Pakistani or a Muslim. Sometimes, her behaviour is extremely annoying. That’s it. I don’t know what the big deal is :sRecommend

  • usma
    Dec 24, 2010 - 4:40PM

    Veena has truly revealed the face of “Liberal” Pakistan and shown to the world that we are a truly enlightened nation despite the extremism rampant here.
    she is working truly hard to change the image of our nation, just like Meera before her and if she wins this contest, she will bring glory to our nation.Recommend

  • Gurriya
    Dec 24, 2010 - 4:47PM

    Veena Malik? Seriously? thats what this op ed is about? um, uh, okay. whatever. Recommend

  • Irfan
    Dec 24, 2010 - 4:59PM

    Ohh now mr @hassan thinks that the rapes that are happening in Pakistan are becouse of velgur films and adds bieng shown in media. . Always blame someone for your own faults.Recommend

  • aspatel
    Dec 24, 2010 - 5:10PM

    The Indian middle class screeches to a halt in its tracks and says, ‘Hey wait a minute, she is so much like us
    Vikas and ranjan,what doyou mean by that?I am an Indian women,and I an nowhere like her
    dont insult Indian womenRecommend

  • aspatel
    Dec 24, 2010 - 5:15PM

    all this has nothing to do with her being a pakistani or muslim or anything else
    it is all about her being a woman and behaving like this,even pamela anderson showed more dignity.she is insulting every selfrespecting women and i am truly amazed by the number of pak people endorsing herRecommend

  • Sankalp
    Dec 24, 2010 - 5:22PM

    @Saima

    I am glad that the likes of you, although a rarity, they still exist. Way 2 go!

    @Naina

    you may wear mini skirts and do all
    what you want..its good you want to
    break all shackles of society; but
    will you flaunt all this on Television
    with 1/2 the world watching? I dont
    think so. Will you religion permit you
    to do so..again I dont think so.

    Why not? Why wud you pose to be someone u’re not, just cuz you are on the T.V?
    Who cares if the entire world is watching, Veena Mallik is not there to please the world.
    Even if the people watching her dont like the way she carries herslef in the house, dats the max they can do. And obviously she doesnt care!Recommend

  • Rizwan Waheed
    Dec 24, 2010 - 5:33PM

    @ Rabiya Butt
    Well Said.Recommend

  • Nasir Mustafa
    Dec 24, 2010 - 5:34PM

    Freedom is a great value but there is a difference between freedom and perversion. We hail freedom but condemn vulgarity in the disguise of art.
    Recommend

  • faraz
    Dec 24, 2010 - 8:04PM

    @Ayesha Ilyas

    Who is forcing you to watch Big Boss alongwith your sisters and daughters? You can make use of a button on the remote control which allows you to switch through channels.Recommend

  • Rehan Saeed
    Dec 24, 2010 - 8:30PM

    Oh Mr. Ruml,
    Although, I do not belong to that group who behave Ghairat factor on women but the way Veena or Meera behave, is just not acceptable along with baseless support of writers. Important factor is national representation and image. We must admit that values Islamic and national, are our integral part. Recommend

  • Singh
    Dec 24, 2010 - 8:36PM

    Veena vs Sweeta Tiwari
    You judge
    Earn your own respect.Recommend

  • Singh
    Dec 24, 2010 - 8:43PM

    Enjoy the show. Except master chef all other show or soap is mental . Don’t like switch the channel.Recommend

  • Farhan
    Dec 24, 2010 - 8:57PM

    Well said Rabiya butt.

    How she can represent all Pakisani women on this platform. Does she?

    Pakistan is big country with over 170 million population. I agree with Vikas Ranjan that Veena’s appearence in Big Show has shown a new side of Pakistani society to indian viewers.

    But, both sides that has been shown to indian people are not representing true Pakistan. Pakistan is not what indian state television has always shown to indian viewers and similarly Veena does not represent us.

    Yes, neither Hafiz Saeed, an extremist professor nor Veena represent the forward looking middle class of Pakistan. Both have lost thier way!Recommend

  • mubeen gabol
    Dec 24, 2010 - 9:33PM

    this is nothing but CRAP! writer is probably forgetting the fact that indian censor board wanted to change the timings of bigboss just bacuse of veena malik, according to times of india, indian censor board founf veen too vulgar and it wanted the show to be telecasted late in the night so that kids in india wouldn’t be able to see it. Recommend

  • Nilofar Khan
    Dec 24, 2010 - 9:35PM

    It is indeed mind blogging how many men & women are dissing Veena Malik. We still live in a culture that demands maybe Veena Malik should have gotten the permission of the men folk to appear in Big Boss4?
    Why does Veena Malik or anyone else have to get the approval of people when she is an artist on a reality show ! C’mon fellas we are in a new era, women no matter what profession do not need their male counterparts blessing to further their careers!
    Since coming on Big Boss4, Veena has managed to catapult her career which is the best marketing strategy in recent Lollywood memory. She is now a household name in India; like or dislike her Pamela Anderson was so impressed by Veena she is in the process of producing a Hollywood television series of her and Veena called East meets West & is presently shopping for the big cable players. Pamela know how the chauvinistic male either in Asia or the Americas are harsh with their judgment and demand a different standards from women.
    Donald Trump one the most successful men in New York on CNBC mentioned that he might have Veena Malik be the brand ambassador for the Trump name, he had watched a few episodes of Big Boss4 on his private plane and was so impressed by Venna Malik that her charm and honesty against all odds had impressed him.
    I’m sure if Venna had succumbed to the pressures of how to behave and act by listening to her many critics she would not be getting the spotlight she richly deserves.
    Look at the number of folks from across the border are posting on this site look at the dialogue that Veena has initiated about women. religion, male chauvinistic attitudes, female jealousy, liberal/conservative, artistic content & freedom & the list is never ending!
    Keep the conversation going people this is good for all of us!! Recommend

  • R S JOHAR
    Dec 24, 2010 - 9:42PM

    @Rabiya Butt
    I fully endorse your views as you have written about all ills plaguing Pakistan which needs to be addressed first rather than discussing a non-issue concerning one individual who is merely acting and even doing her part better than some Indian actors.Recommend

  • Dec 24, 2010 - 9:47PM

    @aspatel

    Vikas and ranjan,what doyou mean by that?I am an Indian women,and I an nowhere like her
    dont insult Indian women

    Well, if you would rather be another Dolly Bindra, so be it. But honestly, I still feel given a choice between Veena and Dolly more Indians would like to be like Veena than Dolly, but have it your way.Recommend

  • z.pervez
    Dec 24, 2010 - 11:09PM

    i hardly understand the fact that why does mullahs and other tribal issues are always brought into light whenever we are trying to discuss something wrong? Why the heck cant we remain on the TOPIC ? duhRecommend

  • Akhtar
    Dec 24, 2010 - 11:22PM

    No discussion just one line
    The world expects better standerd of behavior from a muslim women in th worldRecommend

  • Babs
    Dec 24, 2010 - 11:22PM

    I really don’t watch Indian TV and have never watched Big Brother (Int’l or Indian or whatever version). I don’t watch Pakistani TV either, in fact I haven’t watched TV for more than a year now. I am part of that demographic that has shifted towards online media.

    As far as Vina, She isn’t the first woman to get the “maulvis” in a huff for her on screen antics, and she won’t be the last. It’s called show business, jo dikta hai woh bikta hai! As long as you’re watching, they’ll keep on coming.

    For those “holier than thou” “moralists” I would like to remind them of that little incident where a “maulvi ” was caught siphoning funds from the Hajj.

    Bottom line: There is no choosing between the two as they are birds of the same feather. Its the same as choosing between a rock and a hard place. No choice at all!Recommend

  • fahad
    Dec 24, 2010 - 11:23PM

    im strongly with asim…. both acts are condemnable …. taliban & veena ….both are destroying image of Pakistan & even in India people are abusing veena on her shamefull acts …, Recommend

  • Rashid Aurakzai
    Dec 24, 2010 - 11:29PM

    Will we take it on ourselves to feed and clothe at least one poor girl to save her from prostitution and dare not think evil for her.

    No, never. All male moralists would be first to feel their balls itching, finding such damsel in search of food. Their female counterparts will be first to label such poor souls with all the dirty names known to them.Recommend

  • mariam
    Dec 24, 2010 - 11:34PM

    “Veena Malik’s right of artistic expression needs to be protected”….if dancing on a dining table, dancing in front of a camera, saying that ; i love to flirt’, blowing kisses, hugging and making disgusting, lusty faces is writers way of protecting ‘artistic expression’, then i think we need to review the international definition of an artist. what she is doing in that show is not ‘art’, it’s her character and personal aspects of looking and dealing with life!!….she said in many episodes that ‘I am religiously a one man woman’….bringing God in her matters when she wants to make an impression and show the world how ‘religious’ she is, and on the other hand doing most disgraceful things on international media!!…how can you justify that??…why didn’t any other girl in the house adopted these ‘artistic expression’..!!???…i think media is free enough to talk on any issue occurring in the country, they don’t bound themselves when they talk about a politician, they don’t protect their ‘political expressions’…so why backing veena!!!!….does the writer himself or any other person talking in favor of Veena respects her for what she is doing???…would they like to introduce her to their family as a friend!!!…and yes ONE PERSON DOES REPRESENT A WHOLE NATION…one person does define the moral grounds and ethics of the nation…and if you have any doubts please go see youtube, you’ll find many ‘nice’ words said about Pakistanis and women!!!Recommend

  • Zarang Khan
    Dec 25, 2010 - 12:07AM

    My dear ‘Good Muslims (by birth)’……..Please let Veena Malik do whatever she is doing and mind your own business……….Why are you all paying so much attention to her?……Why all of you are watching Big Boss or its clips over the internet?……….Are you sure you have already fulfilled all of your religious duties and responsibilities prescribed by Islam?………Have you all started to pay your taxes?…………Can you please tell me where is Islam in Pakistan and which Islam you are talking about?…..In a country where each sect and sub-sect of Islam regards the other as infidel, how could you be sure which sect represents the true Islam?………….Now for God sake, stop this hypocrisy……….If you do not like Veena Malik and her actions, simply ignore her and do something useful……… Recommend

  • Dr+Dev+Mishra
    Dec 25, 2010 - 12:26AM

    I never thought that the day would come when I, a liberal Indian hindu settled in UK for the last 25 years, would have found something in common with the ghairat brigade.

    No, I am not advocating violence against her or talking about taking away from her the right to cross the border to take part in this moronic show. No, I am simply bemoaning the fact that the worst of western society, and none of its best is percolating into Indian, and now even Pakistani society.
    Reality shows in the UK can be cruelly exploitative, lower the thinking and morality of some of the viewers and some of the participants and unless censored, can cross all borders of taste. A woman touching herself in a delicate area with a bottle- yes Sir, we have seen that here in the UK.
    Did I hear Indians and Pak ppl alike jumping up and down- it cannot happen here in the subcontinent- I hope so but not sure about that anymore.
    At least the west has built itself an excellent social system which has abolished poverty and hunger and has established excellent institutions of healthcare, judiciary and a social network of benefits. We have not established that but are plunging headlong into promiscuity, alcoholism and family breakdown.
    But the funny thing is, it has established how the two ppl are really one. There was a time when I used to cringe when Rakhi Sawant came on screen, now I dont anymore. Thank you Veena.
    Dr Dev Mishra, UK and India (very old fashioned fuddy-duddy sometimes)Recommend

  • Akhtar
    Dec 25, 2010 - 2:04AM

    If you pakistanis did not mind someone like veena exposing herself a then why you wanted a separate country? Presumably it was to protect your culture and civilization that
    does not allow such behavior. Please agree that iqbals dream was a waste of time
    You are just like india and nothing wrong with that at allRecommend

  • Syed
    Dec 25, 2010 - 2:32AM

    Everyone is corrupt!!!… in this country.. including me myself… are we the real followers of what our Islam preaches… if not.. then please shut your mouth and correct yourself…
    About Veena… no doubt she is representing pakistan because otherwise the show would have never said that she is the pakistani contestent… If she represents Pakistan then act as Pakistani… atleast for sake of Pakistan.. she has right to whatever she do whatver she follow even appear nude infront of Camera… but for sake of Pakistan dnt do vulgerity… if you want to do .. then leave your nationality please… thats the message for everyone who is outside Pakistan… Recommend

  • asma@london
    Dec 25, 2010 - 2:39AM

    First of all the romance is not ‘mocked’. It is a real romance. According to the author because incidentally, the fortress of Islam is also known for honour killings and hudood laws and a wide gambit of discriminatory laws and practices so Veena Malik’s ‘open’ vulgarity and making of sexy lips as if she is ‘doing it’ is justified. Then public floggings of the Taliban also justify her actions.Then the issue of Kashmir, and head money for alleged blasphemies lend further support to Veenas’s actions. So had all these things not been there then the author would have whole heartedly criticised Veena!! These issues are indeed of utmost importance and now and again the media highlights them. But may I ask the author, who is so very secular to ponder as to why these secular NGO’s, do not do highlight so much of cruelty that goes on against women in Pakistan. In the end to say artistic expression must be protected is strange because I have little idea what art was Veena projecting? More important if Veena’s be allowed to express herself as she likes then should all Pakistanis and all citizens of Muslim nations be allowed to kiss ‘openly’? In public? Recommend

  • sanjithmenon
    Dec 25, 2010 - 3:47AM

    this seems to be a hot story in Pakistan, eh, veena malik? house on fire, but lady worrying over the colour of the bedlinen?Recommend

  • hina
    Dec 25, 2010 - 5:54AM

    If Veena was being artistic and the rest were not, then Veena must win! No one else behaved the way Veena behaved. She has given Pakistan and Islam bad image abroad. At home she can act as she likes but when abroad, we as Pakistanis, represent our country and religion, Islam that has been a target of criticism by the west. In that perspective we ought to be careful.Recommend

  • Imtiaz
    Dec 25, 2010 - 7:00AM

    Clergy should take comfort in the fact that she is at least dressed, how modest or not it may be, because they would not have been able to do anything any way. By the way what is our clergy doing watching this show?Recommend

  • nosheen shaheryar
    Dec 25, 2010 - 12:03PM

    …….. i saw veena on tv and i would like to say one thing that people like Veena malik really really embarass us PAKISTANIS and we are really sorry to have such people under our flag. such people should be disowned and exiled from the country.Recommend

  • Robin
    Dec 25, 2010 - 12:17PM

    I looked up Veena Malik and the episodes of Bigg Bo; I think I like her even tho she is Muslim and Pakistani; How can I meet her or someone like her;
    And please dis-regard my previous comment; Recommend

  • Rashid Aziz
    Dec 25, 2010 - 12:19PM

    Why debate a senseless issue of veena malik, we all know her behaviour on this reality show and that too an indian one. All the debate generated by carious people here to bring in religion, morality, hypocricy etc are mostly irrelevant to me as we simply cant justify the indecent behaviour of veena on TV in india regardless of necessity of the show. We as nation have to decide our values, attitudes and more important issues to attend. religion is nowhere here and lets not drag anchors and maulvis into it. Veena should with draw and fly home.Recommend

  • Dec 25, 2010 - 2:00PM

    I just Hate Veena Malik… X-(Recommend

  • R.Raheem
    Dec 25, 2010 - 2:11PM

    Fully endorse writer’s point of view! Venna, we support you. Don’t care about mullah brigade, they are good for nothing & nothing else to do. We support you & proud of you.Recommend

  • Hafjk
    Dec 25, 2010 - 2:33PM

    More amd more pal girls should visit and entertain indian people ….good for peace it is nothing to do wid religipn may ne witj shameRecommend

  • Faraz
    Dec 25, 2010 - 2:42PM

    The notion of the writer is not pretty clear, what he is trying to prove? while proving his stance he crumbles other values. There are other indian female celebrities who are part of the show, they are’nt behaving the way veena is, they are not with a man all the time like veena is and please excuse me, at times veena is dressing awkwardly, donning shorts n loose top what is she trying to prove? That she has westernised herself or have Pakistan? I pity over this article and just can! Okay lets agree to this that veena is not representing ISLAM but would uyou not agree that she is representing “ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN” !Recommend

  • Tony Singh
    Dec 25, 2010 - 4:28PM

    Don’t like Veena Malik or the show? There is always a remote. Its her life. Let her live the way she wishes to.Recommend

  • vikas ranjan
    Dec 25, 2010 - 4:59PM

    @Habibies

    I just Hate Veena Malik… X-(

    Does the… X-( stand for Jews,Christians, Hindus,Ahmadis, Ismailis etc.

    AND, Why?Recommend

  • Dec 25, 2010 - 5:28PM

    Now that she is evicted, I hope gairat brigate should take a breath of relieve.Recommend

  • Dr+Dev+Mishra
    Dec 25, 2010 - 5:44PM

    Reading the comments above, I am reminded once again of what I said above – for the detailed response- scroll up-
    “But the funny thing is, it has established how the two ppl are really one. There was a time when I used to cringe when Rakhi Sawant came on screen, now I dont anymore. Thank you Veena.”
    ha
    Dr Dev Mishra, UK and India (very old fashioned fuddy-duddy sometimes)Recommend

  • Ajay
    Dec 25, 2010 - 7:52PM

    Pakistan needs people to challenge clergy. They are no men left in Pakistan to do it. Veena is doing a good job mocking them. Sherry and Asma are also challenging them, each in their own way, risking their lives for the sake of pakistan. Honestly pakistanis should make Islam a personal private affair, ban the councilor Islamic ideology, sharia court and give full legal protection to women.Recommend

  • anam
    Dec 25, 2010 - 10:48PM

    The objective of the show was not to have veena malik represent Pakistan, it was to show veena malika as an individual. I don’t support her behavior but I certainly will not say she should be condemned. If that is her personality, and that is the way she is than so be it .. You and I are certainly no one to decide what type of individual she should be. She did not go as a represntation of islam or pakistan, she went as veena malik who became famous because she dated a cricketer… Also I would like to know why lollywood movies hae never been considered ‘unislamic’ or an embarassment to pakistan, as they tend to show more vulgarity on a daily basis than this reality show ever has. Recommend

  • ahmed
    Dec 25, 2010 - 11:59PM

    Billion Hearts, all human..all religions teach us humanity.God alone will decide who is right who is wrong, but we humans have one thing in common Self-consciousness, to judge ourself.Veena is hope, she is life, she reflects art, modernity,normal pakistan..People from pakistan should not be worried from veena but from terrorist group . It is sad that pakistan is bleeding, Bombs are exploding, suicidal attacks are everyday business.I am muslim , I am indian and i love india and i thank Allah that we all Hindu , Muslim, Christians live side by side.Islam teaches us to be Human, But Islamic Terrorist are Exploiting young minds..If you are true muslim you will not kill anyone (innocent ,childerns and women) . Recommend

  • A.
    Dec 26, 2010 - 12:26AM

    As much as I have not liked Veena on the show , I fully support her for being herself. No one has any right to tell her to behave one way or other. Recommend

  • Raj
    Dec 26, 2010 - 5:48AM

    Veena is a symbol of freedom in Pakistan. Pakistan is not as conservative as portrayed by the international media. Pakistanis citizens enjoy freedom and they should be proud of this privilege. Recommend

  • Amber
    Dec 26, 2010 - 12:57PM

    Cant agree with you more! Thank you for writing what we have been wanting to say to every single person, Pakistani or not!

    Islam, Pakistan, ??really, why are you labeling her?? her religion is her problem ONLY. She does not represent ANY race, religion. So for Heavens sake, change the channel and let others live.

    I love her attitude. In this misogynistic world where the root of womens most problems is self image, body image, Veena malik is a breath of fresh air. She loves herself, unconditionally.
    Learn something women!Recommend

  • Dec 26, 2010 - 3:21PM

    You guys have a lot of time.
    Oh wait, so do I. I wonder what’s up with us?Recommend

  • FM Shah
    Dec 26, 2010 - 4:07PM

    Hate the Islam, crush Deeni Madras and Mosque, fire weapons to free tribal area from Pashtuns and let puppets set head money for alleged anti-war or anti imperialism opinions. These are the perennial messages, with a few exceptions, relayed on a continuous basis.Recommend

  • SAK
    Dec 26, 2010 - 4:49PM

    By constantly trying to attack the Urdu Press the author exposed his biasness towards the urdu press and its readership. It seems to me that he and many like him are actually badly impressed by western culture and its values, I wonder what are these “Browns” doing here? Recommend

  • zubair bhatti
    Dec 26, 2010 - 6:34PM

    Many thanks, Raza, for trying to keep the tolerance flag visible. Recommend

  • Observer
    Dec 26, 2010 - 6:59PM

    Yawn.. why is veena even a topic of discussion? the fact that you summed up the whole country and its media as idiots by making veenas participation in Big Boss just shows the level of your intellect. To me, theres no relevance at all.
    Recommend

  • Sonia
    Dec 26, 2010 - 8:14PM

    Why a religion reduces space for women and never let them breathe? My concern is obviously not biological but social existence. This tag of Muslim nation will never take us any where. Recommend

  • Salman Arshad
    Dec 27, 2010 - 12:42AM

    The comments section highlights the “importance” of women in Islam.
    Muslim men are represented in the world not by their own deeds, but what their fellow women wear !Recommend

  • Nilofar Khan
    Dec 27, 2010 - 1:00AM

    Well said @Sonia I think we women are making a dent in the attitude of gender bias. When men lose the argument at hand they stoop to the religious argument. By name calling Veena Mallik they are raising her stature as a strong independent women!
    I think as we women take over the power positions in the world, we can probably run it with more power, compassion and peace than our male-counterparts have in the generations.
    One of the lose support the Taliban have from the male population is that even though it is not politically correct to support them the Taliban’s main agenda is not to have educated women exist and they are terrified that educated women in Muslim countries will usurp their political and religious power.
    I think a majority of us agree with you that this tag of Muslim nation will never take us any where.Recommend

  • Sameer
    Dec 27, 2010 - 10:51AM

    Criticizing Veena Malik is not a sign of misogyny or controlling women; it is calling spade a spade and you seem to be worried about calling spade a spadeRecommend

  • Khan
    Dec 27, 2010 - 3:41PM

    Veena, We are proud of you & love you! Wishing that you get a good offer from Bollywood. You will do well.Recommend

  • Sonia
    Dec 28, 2010 - 2:58AM

    @ Nilofer, Thank you. I agree with you that this Islamist approach of defining women favours Taliban mentality. Men always use morailty tool for appropriating women. This morality is a last resort for them.
    Honestly speaking just imagine a state without this useless tag Islamic Republic. Life will be so easy for us to understand and we have more scope to bring in improvement.Recommend

  • Al
    Dec 29, 2010 - 10:18AM

    I don’t support the hypocracy shown by our religious leaders – there are much vulgar things being produced in Pakistani films – and no one seems to mind that.

    But what is the writer talking about? Artistic expression? please…

    And does the writer think veena malik’s antics are against just Pakistani “middle class” morality??
    It would follow then that her kind of behavior would be perfectly acceptable & normal to the other 90% Pakistani’s wouldn’t it? How many women do you see in Pakistan wear the type of clothes she wears? From any class? forget about the cliched use of ‘middle class’. How many?
    Recommend

  • Salman Akbar
    Dec 29, 2010 - 10:24PM

    Mr. Raza Rumi, Why is it that the so called elite English press have a problem with Urdu writers and newspapers. Why do they keep crying wolf about so called Islamization of Pakistan. Get off your high moral horse.
    What veena malik was doing in Big boss is no where near the decency expected of a cultured woman (Muslim or non Muslim). And believe me I respect women too much to use the words best suited to describe her actions. For an example watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gMjyLai4To.
    She is practically saying that M.Asif raped and abused her. Tell me where is the right of artistic expression in that? Why did she not press charges in Pakistan but revealed the entire episode in front of camera on global television. She is portrayed as a representative of Pakistan. No way is she repetitive of Pakistan. Naseem hameed and Women cricket team are representatives of Pakistan.

    As far as Hijab is concerned it is written in Quran and Hadith for women to wear Hijab and for men to keep their eyes low (meaning not to stare at women as just sex objects). Unfortunately in our society very few men have respect for women to keep their eyes low. But that does not mean that Hijab should be discarded. Hijab does not stop women from being doctors, teachers, lawyers and scientist like Marie Curie. My own mother is a teacher. She taught for 30 years. Commuted through public transport with two kids. And she did it while wearing Hijab. My cousins are doctors. They practice medicine while wearing Hijab. Hijab is not a hindrance in study or in engineering or in medicine. Last but not the least have a look at the link below. This is a man who grew in America and became Muslim. He is no mullah see how he views Hijab.
    .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzpFGIetoZ0Recommend

  • Dec 30, 2010 - 12:42AM

    I see how the ghairat-brigade’s here to admonish Mr. Rumi for uttering the abominable: OMG! Veena Malik represents us?! No way in hell is that true! I mean, we’re happier being represented as a minority-bashing, politically-repulsive and religiously-backward nation but God forbid if Veena Malik’s said to be representing us. I don’t even watch the show but the clips they give on YouTube don’t give me a brain tumor, thank you. I support Mr. Rumi on this through and through. I’d rather Veena Malik than Maulana Fazlur-Rehman represent me.

    Oh yes, I’m a Muslim. Don’t worry.Recommend

  • Mashkoor Naqvi
    Dec 30, 2010 - 3:51PM

    A bold actress or model like Veena can’t wear a burqa while she crosses the Wagah.She has done the same thing which she does here.Recommend

  • Naush
    Jan 3, 2011 - 6:21AM

    I don’t know what this has to do with other muslims and islam. Veena has her own ethics and a way to understand islam which other muslims might contradict as shameless act or might praise as a liberal lady.. The biggest thing above all is morality and this not only applies to Veena or Muslim lady but all the women in the world. We consider women as an innocent and beautiful thing made by God and vulgarity is not allowed at all whether its men or women.

    What Veena is doing is vulgarity. The most important thing here to say is she represented Pakistan and Pakistani women. I know she was not acting as an ambassador of Pakistan or not sent by Pak govt. but still whether you say yes or no, when a person of one country goes to another country, he/she automatically becomes an ambassador to that country and that is common sense and logical thing which everyone should acknowledge. She, as a contender in that house, was at her peak of vulgarity doing intimate scenes. You would question, its her life and way to living, i agree with that but damn it, you are on national tv. Do it when you are alone. we don’t care but what she did here was truly senseless as a women. As a Pakistani women, she has truly disrepute the nation and specially women in Pakistan. She thinks she is the most beautiful girl in Pakistan and so Indian men in that house thought, but if they think that Veena is the most beautiful then i m sorry to say they have not seen true beauty of Pakistani women. I have just one objection and that is, just for a better career in bollywood, if you can go to the extreme then you don’t deserve to be called Pakistani and may be woman ( that should be decided by Pak women). I even watched some indian chit chat channels saying that Veena was in uncompromised position with Ashmit and even lost her towel in the house in front of camera. This is truly shameless.. She is not only disreputing the nation, but Islam and above all women kind.

    May Allah give her some sense.

    PeaceRecommend

  • Khan
    Jan 6, 2011 - 10:29PM

    Leave it to Pakistanis to criticize Indian channels, while not taking a look at themselves and their society. A society where women are oppressed and treated as slaves. Take a look at Pakistani vulgar stage shows, movies and channels.
    Veena is a product of Pakistani society. She is a cheap and manipulative person.
    If you are concerned about people like Veena than ban Pakistanis from working in India.
    Pakistanis are the worst hypocrites.Recommend

  • Naush
    Jan 7, 2011 - 5:33PM

    @Khan and other… See thats what i was talking. This act by Veena and people like her has shown bad image of Pakistan. As far as critism is concerned, your own media criticizes ur programs so lets not go into it. If one woman in a society is bad, you cannot say the whole society is bad. Should i say indian society is corrupt just because a politician’s son killed an innocent bartender, Jessica, for not giving him drinks. Should i say? No, because we need to admire people who are doing god jobs. For e.g., Amitabh Bachchan and Sachin Tendulkar. Its just that we, Pakistanis are ready to take good and bad in right way and are not blaming the whole society bcz of few people’s act. I know there are vulgarity in our society but that doesnt mean that the whole society is corrupt. Should i say the whole indian society is corrupt just bcz senior officials did thousands of crores of corruption in commonwealth games. No, bcz everything went ok after that. Pakistan has nothing to do with Veena but Veena has alot to do with Pakistan. Sorry for being too philosophical ;). Any ways, if we were hypocrites, we weren’t showing good aspects of india in our media about Tendulkar, Games and other good stuffs, totally opposite to indian media which only highlights all the news that is showing wrong face of pakistan bcz of few people.

    Peace is required and Peace is necessary. Lets just take each other’s point and see ourselves.

    RegardsRecommend

  • Zehba Musharraf Ali
    Jan 7, 2011 - 11:19PM

    @Naush Your written tirade of Venna is really amusing. The constant attack of Veena Mallik boils down to a few facts. Some women are against her because of pure and unconsolidated jealousy. The Pakistani men on the other hand are threatened by a strong Pakistani woman that destroys their core belief that woman serve men better when they are uneducated, barefoot and pregnant and walk behind the males. the rest is pure bunk to say if she is representing Pakistan and that Indian men are turned on by her physical beauty,
    Venna Mallik does what pleasure her and she honestly believes that whatever her sins are between her and her Creator & that whatever @Naush & his crowd describe her as she is not moved. The fact that very few people give her credit for starting a dialogue about the role of the NEW STRONG WOMAN in Pakistan is unprecedented. This open dialogue is good for the soul and has helped our neighbors in India realize that Pakistani women can act, think and work for themselves and are not slaves to their male counterparts who are unable to handle the on coming changes. Recommend

  • Naush
    Jan 8, 2011 - 6:37PM

    @Zehba: Either you seem to be a big fan of Veena or being too sarcastic on her acts there ;).. but sorry i completely disagree with you on the note that women from Pakistan should do acts like what Veena did (kissing, hugging, showing sensuality on tv and sometimes in uncompromised position). I don’t think women from pakistan would like to be called acc to these acts. I can’t believe you said Pakistani women would be jealous of Veena. Come on !! Pakistani women are way way beautiful than Veena and you got to admit that. If you talk Physical beauty, Veena is nothing compared to any women in Pakistan lets say Babra Sharif, Reema, Resham, Nisho etc and these beauties are beauties becoz of simplicity, proper clothing. I don’t think Paksitani women does dance on table where they eat. Its shameful act and if you have seen, bigg boss actually humiliated her by saying that our society (means indian society) does not act like that and what does that mean, Pakistani society is like that? Ridiculous yar. Second thing you said is Men and Women war.. I can say that those men who give religious excuses and generating fatwa against Veena are conscious about men being stronger than women. But this is not religious issue. This is all about human morality whether being men or women. You can see that indian women in bigg boss house were acting smartly and not doing ridiculous acts. they could have done it easily as its not that bad in their society but still on moral ground, asian women are famous for their simplicity and good acts. Its not at all about men and women. As i said in my previous posts, i am discussing the issue on moral ground as a human being and as a pakistani. Another thing here to discuss and that is impt and had been discussed previously by me as well is the fact that whenever a person from one nationality goes to another country, he/she automatically is an ambassador to that country whether you believe or not. Whenever you do anything right or wrong, people are gonna say he is Pakistani. Why every time few people in UK are arrested on suspicion of terrorist activities and tagged them as pakistanis (as they were british nationals) bcz they are originally from pakistan. So the point is we all are ambassadors. and india called Veena as a Pakistani not as a human. whatever she did in that house, ppl are gonna say, oh Pakistani girls aise hoti hain…whether she cares or not, she is tarnishing the image and for god sake, plz dont say that im saying bcz im man and she is woman. We do not need to show india how pakistani women are. and excuse me, not by representation by Veena. Lolz… ;) No harsh feelings but just for publicity and to get few projects in Bollywood, a human should not show his/her body in front of the national tv.

    PeaceRecommend

  • deedh
    Jan 10, 2011 - 7:25AM

    The same would have applied if a man were to behave in that manner..Recommend

  • Naina Pandita
    Jan 10, 2011 - 11:46AM

    The show is over and the winner has taken it all. Veena Malik is planning to settle in India with Ashmit.Recommend

  • Naush
    Jan 10, 2011 - 1:22PM

    @ deedh. … definitely it applies to men as well. As i said before its for human, whether men or women. but i doubt one thing. Men in Pakistan Film Industry are far more mature than women in the industry being it Meera or Veena. lolz

    If veena has settled in india thats good for pakistan. I guess Ashmits life would be hell after few days.. i m sure about it. She has just lost her integrity. Poor girl. And richly deserving woman has won i.e., Shweta Tiwari.Recommend

  • Maheen Kardar
    Jan 10, 2011 - 11:53PM

    @Naush Men in Pakistan Film Industry are far more mature than women in the industry being it Meera or Veena can we get more chauvinistic than that? Men have always be judged by a biased loose standard while women on the other hand are defined in harsher terms.If a Pakistani man were to settle in India and date an Indian girl he might be celebrated as a stud?
    Maybe for you Veena has just lost her integrity. that is a matter of opinion many Pakistani women are celebrating her brave foray into the REAL WORLD!Recommend

  • Naush
    Jan 11, 2011 - 1:15AM

    @ Maheen: sorry if u thought i am taking men’s side. but i am not being chauvinistic. As i said its not about men and women. Its about humans. So i am not going into men and women. As i said in my previous posts, women are obviously superior than men mentally. And i admire that. In tough mental situations, women hold hands with men and help them alot. so no offences on that. We are talking about one’s moral ethics. As far as a man doing such thin, i would have said the same and im 100% sure about it. i won’t call him stud. i won’t call Shoaib Malik a stud if he had showed off with Sania Mirza crossing moral and ethical values. Veena can do whatever she wants to do its her life. I m just saying that lossing ur moral values infront of the national tv and in a foreign country is not a good deal. Its obviously not a good deal if a man or a woman dances on the table. i m repeating my self but when a guy or girl get so close to each other that they even dont care what ppl would say, then its the loss to humanity and loss to all moral grounds which our society has given us. She, by dancing, kissing hugging, sleeping and giving massages. are definitely not representing pakistani women. Women who are celebrating what i just described are just lossing control over a controlled morally, ethically, religiously compatible society.

    No harsh feelings. PeaceRecommend

  • Bushra Siddiqui
    Jan 11, 2011 - 3:14AM

    @Naush You cannot have it both ways:-
    Veena can do whatever she wants to do its her life BUT she has to act morally, ethically, religiously compatible society. aren’t you speaking in double tongues. Also why can we not separate Religion and Country and as @Zehba Musharraf Ali says “The Pakistani men on the other hand are threatened by a strong Pakistani woman that destroys their core belief that woman serve men better when they are uneducated, barefoot and pregnant and walk behind the males.” maybe this is a truth you refuse to accept?Recommend

  • AHK
    Jan 11, 2011 - 10:00AM

    @Maheen: “many Pakistani women are celebrating her brave foray into the REAL WORLD!”

    Please. Be real. You can be in love with Veena Malik all you want but please try & not lose perspective over here.Recommend

  • AHK
    Jan 11, 2011 - 2:13PM

    @Bushra: Your criticism of the Pakistani male mentality can be accepted but please don’t expect people to accept your criteria for being ‘strong’ & ‘independent’ as someone who prances around half naked on television & gets affectionate with unrelated men. Please don’t defend vulgarity & immorality in the name of women’s right. You are doing no Pakistani woman any favor.Recommend

  • Naush
    Jan 11, 2011 - 2:29PM

    @ Bushra: you are again commenting without understanding what i have been trying to say in my posts. You have to understand several things. First, its not men vs women. Its moral vs immoral. clean vs vulgar and love vs lust. Secondly, i never said that she can do whatever she wants to do in front of national tv. I said she can do whatever she wants to do in her personal life but for god sake, ur on national tv representing pakistan (whether u think ur representing or not, but ur). so u need to understand the discussion and comments from me what i have been trying to say. I am a man and Veena is Woman that doesnt mean that as a man, i am just stopping veena from doing something that is not required. I am saying his as a human being. See yourself, Shweta, did she do anything alike that. Did she use any abusives, did she do any immoral acts… and im sure Shweta is way too beautiful than Veena and Pakistani men would agree. Still Shweta won. so u can win a game with decent acts. I am not afraid of a strong and liberal woman who has the freedom to do whatever she wants to do but in moral and ethical limits and that applies to men as well. Being a women, u shudn’t accept what veena has done. Being a women, u shudn’t accept what veena has been doing and what i have been saying in my previous posts.

    Rest is upto u as i can give my opinions. But im sure maximum women in Pakistan thinks the same. Recommend

  • Naina Pandita
    Jan 11, 2011 - 2:37PM

    @AKH,,what real world did she venture. She was already there once she got involved in match fixing,Recommend

  • AHK
    Jan 11, 2011 - 6:26PM

    @Naina Pandita: That was a quote from Ms. Maheen Kardar. Not my views by any stretch. Go up a few posts and read her comment & then read mine again.Recommend

  • Bushra Siddiqui
    Jan 11, 2011 - 9:20PM

    @Naush – I think you have made it crystal clear your strong opinions. What I question is that what qualifies you and others to decide ….moral vs immoral. clean vs vulgar and love vs lust.
    Who defines what “acceptable” and what is “not”
    My severe problem is that Pakistani men have always set the code or what is acceptable behavior for them and even though you are in a constant state of denial it is a Man vs Woman issue. The double standards being applied by many is alarming! Some are shocked at Veena’s attire, others are disturbed at her public display of affection and others no matter what she does will condemn her. I think lost in this conversation is that Veena Mallik is an actress and people in that business do not have to bow down to the moral brigade.
    I think for such a long time women were forced to act a certain way and now with the advent of cable television, internet and other social networking women are coming out of their shell and making their own bold, independent decisions and Pakistani men are seriously afraid the shackles they have put on their women are slowly cracking.
    I do not think that there is a high percentage of women who agree with you as this Veena phenomena has opened a new chapter where maybe other women would like to be like Veena and now have a platform. Recommend

  • Naush
    Jan 12, 2011 - 3:06AM

    @ Bushra: i am afraid to say that i m not impressed by this so called open-mindedness which u think is breaking shackles for women and men are afraid of that shackles. Im really disappointed to hear from a pakistani woman. At the first place, i have used human, not men and women so make it clear im not covering men. As i said, if a guy had done it i would have equally condemned that as well. Its not the matter of breaking shackles. For God sake, make it clear that breaking shackles is not doing romance in public. and it applies to men as well. Ppl seriously condemned when Muamar rana did an indian movie of low category. so believe me, if u can its not about men and women. but i guess u just want to fight on being woman not getting rights and all. Any ways, so the question is who are we to say its vulgar, cheap and immoral, its a very good question. but u say, would u feel proud if ur daughter does this kind of act, dancing on table, kissing, hugging— on national tv infront of the whole world. Whould you? You will get the answer. Covering Veena by saying she is actress and doesn’t need to follow morality, then Ma’am, for ur kind information, the golden era of pak film industry was when Shabnam, Nisho and Babra Sharif were on the screen. Didn’t they follow morality? Did they show us their body? They didn’t even touch men in the movie. The thing of the matter is every profession has ethics. You can be Meena Kumari, who used to act without showing off and still rule the hearts and you can be Mallika Sherawat who is in the hearts as sex symbol. There is a difference. So, we are human and we have been given intellect to decide the morality of human kind and that applies to all human. If you think not many women agree with me, then just answer this would you feel comfortable watching veena doing kissing hugging, sleeping infront of you kids and parents? you will get your answer.

    Generally speaking, we need to be mature enough to stop such acts. Its just that, we need to fight for something that matters the most not fight on a lady who can go to every possible step of cheapness to get fame and money.

    No personal feelings. Peace. Recommend

  • Meena Kumari
    Jan 12, 2011 - 4:41AM

    We Indian women adore Veena Malik, need I say more. Go on you say you all are curious to find out why so I will tell you, she does everything perfect. Irrespective it’s putting up a decent fight with an inmate of Big Boss or telling her not so sob (if you are cricketer Mohammad Asif) or shaking her legs. Her musical entry was followed by innocent charming school girl kind of introduction (I wanted to, know myself, I couldn’t refuse etc and then finally an apologetic Pakistani who explains why India) why she is in. Then she pulled off the sob with fake-for-cute Shweta Tiwari. And why not, Shweta Tiwari has her own sobs. They say that birds of the same feather flock together? Even though we have belted out an insensitive portrayal of her agony, the audience hasn’t. A lot of the Indian audience can connect. Veena Malik touched the hearts of the Indian viewing public and tore at their heart strings. Its not just us, but, even other brutal media has called her “pulling a Rakhi Sawant” on us. By the way did you see Rakhi Sawant wince on camera as Veena Malik pulled on a pose in the entry dance? Was Rakhi secretly fearing that Veena Malik might trample on her failing popularity?If this was Pakistan secret weapon to win the hearts of the Indian masses by unleashing a stunning, funny intelligent unafraid image of the new Pakistani woman then no high tech public-relation firm from Europe or America was able to achieve and uplift the stagnant relationship between the two countries.

    Veena, as we said is doing thing right. Even though others say that she is copying Rakhi Sawant, but, she may have toppled the failing status what Rakhi Sawant has in India (Pakistanis can speak for themselves, we know Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mahmud Qureshi is dumbfounded that this stunning talented starlet/actress/comedian has become the talk of the town from Mumbai to the culture markets of Hollywood. Another yard stick to measure her success is that a few narrow mined Pakistanis are saying that she is a disgrace. Go Veena Baaji! Go!

    Veena Malik has been known in Pakistan for engaging and mesmerizing the viewers. Now, we are entirely grateful that she is charming enough to engage us too. We think she can play a role of a bahu in one of our saas bahu operas. The plot can be her cricketer husband ill treating her because she put excess oil in the aloo sabji. Then she exposes her cricketer husband in wicket for pure ghee scandal. It would be a great soap opera.
    Thank you Pakistan for the joy of sharing one of your hidden talents with us! What next do you have in store for us, the anticipation is killing us.
    Bollywood we better watch out, If Veena Malik is Pakistan’s secret weapon in the entertaining industry this will be a breadth of fresh air for all all to watch & enjoy!Recommend

  • AHK
    Jan 12, 2011 - 10:04AM

    @Bushra: If i may interject in the debate, I think you are in love with veena malik.

    But besides that to answer your point SOCIETY SHOULD & does define what is morally acceptable and what is not. And society is shaped by religion. Veena Malik does not reflect the Pakistani society & you can twist the argument any which way you want that is not going to change.

    But instead of putting too much criticism on her we should be criticizing the television channels that carry such programs. It is their responsibility along with that of the regulator. And we should criticize the hypocracy of people who are criticizing veena malik for what she does but would happily watch & follow any indian or foreign women acting in the same pathetic manner.

    Veena Malik by prancing around half naked has not done any Pakistani women any favor or opened any new chapter. Please be real. I know you are in love with her but it was just a stupid program in which she was acting it out to get attention.Recommend

  • Naush
    Jan 12, 2011 - 1:01PM

    @Meena… i couldnt stop laughing while reading ur comments. sorry for that. We as pakistanis dont want to be wanna beesssssss like bollywood stars who are always looking for hollywood be like Aishwarya or Malika… who can go to any step for money being its nude or sex. Our society is different from ur’s, so the things which looks okay to u is not good for a cultures pakistani men or women. Indians have forgotten their own culture so they have no right to tell others what to do. Ur own culture was simplicity and beauty but now has converted to kissing, raping, hugging in public and others. You would call it liberal or a society who is upcoming power, but sorry to say, if power comes by selling ur own body then we dont need power, we dont need to do such vulgar things to get into power. Its your so called bollywood star’s attitude that bolly directors and music composers are looking for pakistani talent. what ever u say they are champions there they haven’t sold their soul for being at bollywood. Its talent that impresses not the attitude. Veena a Pakistani film weapon.. lolz… most of the pakistani didnt even know her and she is there bcz of Asif controversy which had no legs and mouths… and shw knew it thats why she took money out of the court and shut the case. and also for fame, she went onto say that indian movie actress are involved with asif.. lolz…. I dont think its suitable time for India vs Pakistan or men vs women. its Human kind and u know what, Asians are famous for their culture, morality and simplicity and not nudity. you can do if u wanna be hollywood but we wont compromise.

    PeaceRecommend

  • Naush
    Jan 12, 2011 - 1:39PM

    I really wanna ask you all. Do u really think Veena is Beautiful… Lolz….. if the answer is yes then i bet you haven’t seen the true beauty of Pakistani women. she is not even 10% of them. Recommend

  • Bushra Siddiqui
    Jan 13, 2011 - 1:51AM

    @Naush – @AHK made my point when a woman speaks her mind if one agrees or not then you have people like @AHK making childish, immature comments like;”I think you are in love with Veena Malik. or “Please be real. I know you are in love with her”
    No one ask you to be “open-mindedness” that is an individual decision what may be entertainment for me might disgust you or vice-versa that is why each of us has the power to censor what we consider decent or vulgar what troubles me has who makes that decision. Unless you have a direct connect to Venna’s thought process you have no idea if her actions were to raise the tone of this debate or just is the fabric of her character. We go down a very slippery path when we start putting labels on people women or men and when we need to be mature enough to stop such acts. If children are raised correctly they can identify that Veen’a antics were pure fun and entertainment and my children are mature enough to make their own decisions at what to accept and reject.
    Your weak argument about the good old days in Lollywood or Hollywood hold very little water. When the Lucy show aired on television, Lucy and her husband Desi had separate beds, fast-forward today there is same sex kissing on television and films does that mean children watching it will automatically change their sexual orientation? I remember Elvis Priestly was considered the DEVIL for his hip gyration but look at the music videos these days his dancing would be considered conservative I think we have to progress with time not use the look how different the world was 20 years ago, I for one get easily bored with that argument.
    There is will be other Veena’s and we all need to step back, take a breath and see the world is evolving, some of us will like the change other will opine for the good old days!Recommend

  • Naush
    Jan 13, 2011 - 2:48AM

    @Bushra: totally agree with you.. its everyone’s own decision what to take or what to not. No offenses. But i won’t say you have to be like veena or show ur body or assets to be called bold and liberal and the progress doesnt mean that we should start doing dancing kissing and hugging. So the take home message is we need to be mature in our acts, we cannot change anyone’s ideology, we cannot stop anyone’s freedom but at the same time we need to know what actually liberalism is and what is meant by actual true progress of society. What west does is liberalism and what we do is conservative thinking. No offenses.

    PeaceRecommend

  • AHK
    Jan 13, 2011 - 10:23AM

    @Bushra: Basically you don’t have an answer to my comment. Being ‘strong’ & ‘independent’ doesn’t mean prancing around half naked & getting affectionate with men in front of the world. This is not women’s right. This is the opposite of it. This is Objectifying women – we do not need to teach our children that the way to get ahead in this world & to be considered strong is to take off your clothes & act in the way this actress does. And the tragedy is that we have women like you on top of all that defending the objectification of women in the name of women’s emancipation.

    You are right that individuals will have their own criteria of deciding what is moral & what is not. But Society as a whole is a pretty good judge. Neither does Veena Malik represent the Pakistani society nor our religion. She can act in any manner she wants & i don’t even blame her for all this as much as I blame the channels airing these programs & the media regulator. She can do whatever she wants but the channels have the responsibility to show what is acceptable in our society.

    If you have to give an example of a strong & independent women give that of Benazir. Now that was a woman many men were afraid of, not some half naked drama queen.Recommend

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