Being a Hindu in Pakistan

Published: October 20, 2010

The writer is a PML-Q MNA marvi.memon@tribune.com.pk

It’s not easy these days being a Hindu in Pakistan. The number of cases of members of the Hindu community being kidnapped for ransom is on the rise, both in Sindh and in Balochistan. While recently attending a meeting of the National Assembly’s Standing Committee for Law and Justice, I realised that a stringent law was already in place under which a person convicted of this offence could be sentenced to life in prison or even death. As usual, the discussion revolved around the fact that while we had good laws, they were not being implemented.

Personally, I am against capital punishment — and the logic is quite straightforward: since we don’t give life, we have no right to take it away. And hence life imprisonment is acceptable but not capital punishment. However, the rise in cases of kidnapping, often of children, has altered this view. Those who kidnap people for ransom need to be dealt with a heavy hand, more so because in Pakistan where we hardly ever see anyone punished for this crime. In August, before the floods had hit Sindh, I visited a Hindu Sindhi family in Kashmore whose six-year-old had been kidnapped. The state of the mother was enough to convince me to press for severe punishment as a deterrent to stop this kind of crime.

I was told that Hindus were being targeted because, by and large, they lacked political clout and made for easier targets. Furthermore, those involved in kidnapping for ransom often had connections to powerful people, and this explained why, in most instances, the kidnappers were never caught.

The tragedy is that as a result of these kidnappings, many Hindu families have migrated to India. After all, it is better to live in another country than in perpetual fear. This is the biggest failure of the so-called Islamic Republic of Pakistan — that its minorities don’t feel safe on their own soil.

Clearly, the government’s package, called ‘Aghaz-e-Huqooq Balochistan’ has not achieved much in that province. For instance, in 2009 a 13-year-old was kidnapped and released after a ransom of Rs1.8 million was paid. Another Hindu was kidnapped from the busy Sariab road and released after a ransom of Rs4.2 million was paid. A Hindu man was kidnapped and released after his family paid Rs1.5 million. A Hindu shopkeeper was asked to pay Rs6million at which point he migrated to India — this happened in August of this year. And this is just a partial list.

The Hindu community is peaceful — so what is its biggest sin? It is a minority in a land where there is no rule of law. All that is needed is the political will to go after those involved in these kidnappings — the incidents will stop and our Hindu compatriots will stop fleeing to India.

Published in The Express Tribune, October 20th, 2010.

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Reader Comments (136)

  • faraz
    Oct 20, 2010 - 1:25AM

    Hindu children are kidnapped by extremist and taken to madrassas where they are forcibly converted to islam. These extremists dont hesitate to kill fellow muslims, what respect would they have for people of other religion.Recommend

  • Talha
    Oct 20, 2010 - 1:25AM

    Sad and shameful, remember the time when Jinnah saved a number of hindus from a Muslim mob and referred to himself as the ‘Protector General’ of Hindus.

    Gone are those days, perhaps you should also know this incident. The finest general Pakistan ever had was called Iftikhar Janjua, an Ahmadi himself, he once vowed to shoot down anyone who hurt Hindus after a mob had come to him and said that they will be hunting Hindus down during the partition era.

    Such was the brilliance of these men who are all but names in our history now, our great Quaid would has been let down by none other than the people he worked so hard for.Recommend

  • Raman Dua
    Oct 20, 2010 - 1:38AM

    Thanks for the article. Pakistan will not move forward if they cannot safe guard the Hindu minority groups within Pakistan.

    Political groups and political leaders lack a vision for Pakistan. If my kids are kidnapped for ransom, I will be migrating out of the country as well. Don’t blame the Hindu who finally want to move out of Pakistan. Recommend

  • Imran
    Oct 20, 2010 - 1:41AM

    A very poorly constructed article – how many kidnappings are there in general? Statistically are Hindus targeted disproportionately? I think not. The fact is that Sind law and order is a mess because dacoits and thugs are running it. They will kidnap anyone irrespective of religion. Recommend

  • Hasan Zuberi
    Oct 20, 2010 - 1:51AM

    @ Mohtarma MNA sahiba: Let me rephrase your starting sentence … It’s not easy these days being a Pakistani (can also read a human) in Pakistan.

    whose fault it is …. off course you politicians have nothing to do with it … it must be us the awam … who wish to eliminate each other and in the end ourselves.

    What is the sense of this article ?? …. sorry, I didn’t get it … if you, a sitting parliamentarian, feels so helpless in helping the very people you represent (that is not Hindu, Mulism, Sikh, Parsi, Esai, Ahmadi, Zikiri … but Pakistanis) …. what you expect us to do after reading your logics.

    Capital punishment … just because you think it is illogical … we should let the killers, rapists, kidnappers, terrorists stay alive and eat well … you and your fellow gifted Parliamentarians (especially from your party PMLQ) … like the retired “Jernail sahab” who claimed to have known 40 para in the holy Quran … SHOULD learn basics of the state religion of this country … ISLAM.

    My request to the editors …. we the readers respect good articles, posts and news … but if the merit of selection of post in your publication is that the writer is a sitting MNA, I am sorry …. i an ordinary citizen of this country … who is suffering from all kind of challenges from Dengue Virus fever to target killing to terrorist attacks …. I AM SICK OF THESE POLITICIANS AND THEIR OPINIONS. Recommend

  • Oct 20, 2010 - 2:26AM

    a minority in a land where there is no rule of law

    sounds like they are doomed marvi…just like others in the land where there is no lawRecommend

  • Oct 20, 2010 - 2:49AM

    Pakistan is a hell for any minority whether it be Hindus or Christians or even Muslims from different sects. The elements behind, I think, have conjectured another Saudi Arab with a complete monopoly of a particular Muslim sect.Recommend

  • Oct 20, 2010 - 3:21AM

    Suggestions:

    Martial Law-Like steps, by Judiciary/Army for temporary period – corrective steps to be taken.
    Peaceful revolution of the middle-class for reformation of the system.
    Dissolution of actual administrative power down to town level.
    Land Reforms for equality, justice with empowerment of the poor.

    Order of the above points can be changed, but not omitted. There is no other way out. I fear the day when Shia’s start looking for asylum in other countries if this situation is let to continue. Recommend

  • Oct 20, 2010 - 3:36AM

    Nice to see that a Pakistani politician is against death as a penalty. I’d vote for such politicians. Pakistani society is corrupt beyond doubt, but we could make a start in offering the so-called minorities (read Hindus, Christians, Sikhs and Ahmedis) their rights by sending the right message from the state they live in, and that is only possible through a Secular constitution.

    Pakistan need their Ambedkar. Recommend

  • Isfand
    Oct 20, 2010 - 3:53AM

    Secularism is the only solution.Recommend

  • Isfand
    Oct 20, 2010 - 3:56AM

    Btw thanks for writing the artcle and highlighting this problem.If there is someone who suffer more than the common man in Pakistan well he is the common man belonging to a minority in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Sohrab
    Oct 20, 2010 - 4:31AM

    @Imran:
    Do not minimize the severity of the issue by asking an inane question “how many kidnappings are there in general?” Obviously there are enough incidences of this nature to merit Marvi Memon’s attention. But for argument’s sake if there were 500 kidnappings, would that have warranted some attention from us???? Well, there are more than 500 targeted killings in recent months in Karachi and nothing effective has happened to stop it. Marvi’s point is that in this so-called Islamic Republic of Pakistan minorities lives and properties are not safe. Pakistan’s raison d’etre was to safeguard, protect, and promote the minorities. Muslims themselves were a minority in undivided India, and the powers-to-be were unwilling to guarantee the safety and survival of the minorities after the departure of the British, resulting in the movement to establish a seperate homeland. Therefore by not safeguarding the minorities we are negating the purpose of Pakistan’s establishment.Recommend

  • Thinker
    Oct 20, 2010 - 8:29AM

    agreed with imran’s point of view

    Another article just to report a presence on the web by a political leader with no facts and figures involved . Indeed the hindu community would be in jeopardy but the cause of kidnapping not mentioned in the lines makes the citing more suspicious.Recommend

  • Jai
    Oct 20, 2010 - 8:32AM

    The fate of any religious minority is doomed because there is no separation of religion and state in Pakistan. When the state itself considers non muslims as unequal citizens how can you blame criminals. Islamic republic of Pakistan has not failed minorities. It is doing exactly what it set out to do by declaring Pakistan an islamic republic instead of a secular democracy which considers all citizens equal.Recommend

  • Imran
    Oct 20, 2010 - 9:33AM

    Kidnapping is a crime and it doesn’t matter wheter it is of a Muslim or a Hindu. Out of pakistan there is so misconception about pakistan that any one can committ any crime without facing panelty for that. Recommend

  • Oct 20, 2010 - 11:35AM

    I believe there was another woman politician who got the Pakistan parliament to observe a one minute silence on the killing of Ahmedis.

    It must take great courage to toe the unpopular line and more women politicians are showing the way.

    I think there is hope.Recommend

  • umar
    Oct 20, 2010 - 11:55AM

    hey mam u should have to know that muslims r also being killed and kidnapped everyday so plz dont make any issue of it just try to understand the situation of pakistanRecommend

  • Oct 20, 2010 - 12:18PM

    i’m also agree with umar. please don’t make issue, Muslim community also facing same situation.Recommend

  • MAD
    Oct 20, 2010 - 12:32PM

    @Isfand
    You can keep your secularism to yourself. the majority of us want no part of it. Yes the majority speaks in this case. This is the Islamic Republic of pakistan. You dont like it leave. if you cant leave well than thats your problem not ours.Recommend

  • Ishaq Narejo
    Oct 20, 2010 - 12:32PM

    Marvi Memon writing on rights of Hindus!!!!. She is working in an establisment party. And!!!!!.Recommend

  • Shabbir Bukhari
    Oct 20, 2010 - 12:54PM

    The only remedy is SECULARISM for Pakistan.Recommend

  • Sobia Abdul Razzaq
    Oct 20, 2010 - 1:19PM

    not only Hindus are kidnapping , but Muslims too. you raises the very high social issues, after reading your articles i feel that yes we have politicians who thinks for both majorities and minorities but i want to ask you why you people didn’t take the action on these issue when you were leading the country ? why not such issues you raised when there was the possibility to control on it? the issue is not new? people were being kidnapping for ransom and they also used and trained for blast.the whole problem is that our organs of government are totally damaged by having rust on it. time to change the hardwares..!! Recommend

  • Waqqas Iftikhar
    Oct 20, 2010 - 1:32PM

    @MAD – having fun in the islamic republic are we? which one are you the baker (of suicide bombers), the butcher (of innocent non-extremists) or the candle-stick maker (to burn the country down)?

    a secular ideology is not an anti-religious ideology…..give it a chanceRecommend

  • Insider
    Oct 20, 2010 - 2:59PM

    Dear Marvi

    What about Muslims, who are abducted & killed in India. Do not try to toss one face of coin.Recommend

  • Faizan A. Laghari
    Oct 20, 2010 - 3:28PM

    You’re an MNA. Shouldn’t you perhaps be doing something about it? You perhaps say that this is the “biggest failure of the SO CALLED Islamic Republic of Pakistan” because a different party is ruling the government?

    Otherwise from my understanding being an MNA you’d have enough power to do something about it yourself or have others in the government take notice instead of writing in the Tribune like a normal member of public who’s actually facing this issue.

    See the issue unfortunately is this, that unless the people in the government or National Assembly….politicians in short…don’t keep coming up with new and different things to say, people would lose interest. You’d lose your existence since people would see no use for you. So now you’ve chosen a particular set of people to create a new issue so that people would pay attention?

    Suggestion: People will automatically pay attention once you get up and DO something about the issue instead of just ranting about it or creating further divide between people in this country who are happily living with each other, loving each other without even knowing religions, castes or creeds of theirs.Recommend

  • M Umer Khan
    Oct 20, 2010 - 3:31PM

    it is unfortunate that our Hindu brothers are being kidnapped. Economic hardship and incompetency of the Government is prime reason for this issue.

    However, Marvi’s views on capital punishment cannot be ignored. Until and unless laws are not enforced like capital punishment such acts of kidnap, plunder and killing will continue. Judiciary alongwith administrative arm of the Government should ensure that laws are enforced accordingly without differentiating between weak/strong. Recommend

  • Omar Saboor
    Oct 20, 2010 - 3:36PM

    Good Job Marvi :)Recommend

  • Ghafar Ali
    Oct 20, 2010 - 3:55PM

    People of all communities are being kidnapped these days. This is a cheap way of getting sympathy of a particular community. No religion is supporting such criminal acts. Marvi said that in the “so-called Islamic State.” Pakistan is neither an Islamic nor a so-called Islamic State. The day it became a real Islamic State the minority will fell safe and the criminals will be hanged which Marvi hates.

    Everyone who wants to bring himself/herself in the eyes of the patrons of so-called liberals drag Islam in everything. Does Marvi know little about the teachings of Islam ? Could she answer that is Islam permits kidnapping of any person whether Muslims or non-Muslims?? Islam protects the rights of the Muslims and non-Muslims equally.

    Please stop blamming Islam for everything. It is the politicians, feudals and wealthy like Marvi who protect the kidnappers and criminals and not Islam.

    I fear in the next article Marvi will blam Islam for the target killing in Karachi and next Islam will be made responsible for the banks robberies by people like her colleagues politicians.Recommend

  • Copper
    Oct 20, 2010 - 4:01PM

    Ms. Marvi Memon and her father Mr. Memon were right hand of Musharraf who ruled this country for 10 years. Why didn’t you do anything to help them? Is 10 years not enough to bring a little change to them? Your father was elected from Sindh and you are currently MNA from Sindh. May I ask what you and your father did in past? Recommend

  • Hamza A. Khan
    Oct 20, 2010 - 4:06PM

    Absolute farce this post. Of course there is always going to be some differences between the Hindus and Muslims who are overtly religious, but the overall condition of Hindus in Pakistan is way better than that of Muslims in India. I know how the majority of kidnappings go in the rural areas. Does the author really think the Dacoit cares whether the guy he kidnapps is Hindu or Muslim, as long as he has money?

    Perhaps the growing number of Hindu kidnappings might indicate the fact that Hindus are prospering in wealth.Recommend

  • indian
    Oct 20, 2010 - 4:18PM

    shame on the government..cant protect the minorities..and for the hindus still stuck out there the best that u can do is to leave that country…lately news of ransoms ,killing, of hindu community is on rise ..they dont have a future for their children in pakistanRecommend

  • pir langah)
    Oct 20, 2010 - 4:24PM

    kindnaping are the gift of capitalism no one can prevent such type of event till the change of the system by revolation (socialist) because the capitalism is failed to give the safe and secure life to the humanbeing Recommend

  • Isfand
    Oct 20, 2010 - 4:35PM

    @Waqqas Iftikhar
    Well said.Recommend

  • Oct 20, 2010 - 4:39PM

    Secularism is not at all a solution. It serves no purpose. Reminder: this issue has nothing to do with government policies.
    Firstly, we have to acknowledge that Muslims too face the similar problem.
    The problem with Pakistan today is that we’ve lost the spirit of the Islamic republic. Gone were the days when people knew the cost and value of gaining this Republic. People today just take it for granted. They ask, ‘what’s in it for me?’.
    If Quaid e Azam was alive today, he would regret even spending a second of his life trying to form it.
    Education- that’s what we lack of. Education is the only way to solve this problem. These uneducated ignorant fools hijack the reputation of the Republic in the eyes of the world.Recommend

  • Isfand
    Oct 20, 2010 - 4:55PM

    @pir langah)

    Pakistani economy is not a capitalsitic economony,actually is more a socialist economy than capitalist.A huge part of the economy is still controlled by the state,Pakistan is not capitalistic society since the Bhutto eonomical reforms.Btw dude history teaches us tht communism(Ussr)have failed and socialism have failed(India pre-1991).The true solution is an interest free economy as this was also Muhammad Ali Jinnah vision.Recommend

  • hameed ali
    Oct 20, 2010 - 5:08PM

    the main problem in our country is that we realize the things after they get away from our hands…ms marvi memon was part of the previous government so why she didnt try to make new laws regarding the protection of minorities???Recommend

  • KM
    Oct 20, 2010 - 5:47PM

    Marvi, how can you give a verdict on if we dont give life, we cant take it. Allah authorizes you to do so, through Quran and Hadith, and by the way a female is authorized to give life/birth to a baby. What non sensical conclusions is that? Kindly understand that capital punishment Shariah style was NOT introduced for yours or my like/dislike.

    It was instroduced to maintain harmony in the society, ensure that it keeps sticking to a justified path, and make it impossible for those who have evil minds. It is the lack of fear of the same punishment today, that we have no respect for other person’s life and hence we have people on a killing spree all over. Pick up the stats and look for countries where they capital punishment shariah style implemented, and then check their crime rate. Hanging the CEO and the COO of the milk company is China (malamine scandel) clearly shows that the government truly cares for it citizen, and hence does not want anyone to cast an evil eye on the society, in any form.

    What a contrast? Severe punishment? and say no to capital punishment? and then complain that “its better to live in another country then in fear” … So why not resolve the problem and hang the mischief mongers, rather than running away from the problem. We need fear in the eyes of the people, so that they think well before taking their next step. If they truly have fear of doing something wrong, then definitely people will become wiser and will make it a habit to step in the right direction.Recommend

  • Oct 20, 2010 - 5:48PM

    Fair enough!Recommend

  • Oct 20, 2010 - 5:56PM

    We must not forget situation and treatment of Muslims as minority in India. After all Muslim minority caused break up of land of a Hindu majority (India) out of which we made a country called Pakistan for themselves. If a similar act was done by Hindus against land of Muslim majority (like Pakistan now, though quite improbable) Muslims will feel much the same way as Hindus do now. In treatment of Hindu minority in Pakistan, Muslim minority in India must be remembered. I hope that moderates high tempers of Muslims in Pakistan when they speak about India and Hindus.Recommend

  • Hashmat Ali
    Oct 20, 2010 - 6:47PM

    it is really sad….nicely written and captured one of the weakest point of our society….but pity upon you, the writer, that being a part of the parliament you cannot take any step to control these things…criticising the government and being part of the opposition and ruling class you should not be telling this to the people rather you should stand up and take some steps ccoz u have power and can do it….your are elected by the people not to point out weaknesses but to cure them mind it……..i wish you read it…..and i wish u read all the comments on these articles written by you high ups….and elites of the society who just write articles for a passion and to get symapthies of the people for the upcoming elections…..huh…my sympathies are with u Recommend

  • Foqia Badr
    Oct 20, 2010 - 6:59PM

    Marvi, the only thing worse is being an Ahmadi in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Kamal
    Oct 20, 2010 - 7:25PM

    It would be better if pakistani hindus can come to India.There is no hope for them in Pakistan..Recommend

  • John Iqbal (ex-muslim)
    Oct 20, 2010 - 7:36PM

    I wonder when we will start acting sensibly and allow everyone to follow his/her religion according to his/her own wish ?Recommend

  • basanti
    Oct 20, 2010 - 7:56PM

    Marvi jalebi is worrying about hindus in pakistan.Are in pakistan even muslims are not safe forget about the minorities first make the majority safe.Recommend

  • Oct 20, 2010 - 8:04PM

    Between love, justice and appreciation, justice is most difficult matter than love or appreciation. We must not forget situation and treatment of Muslims as minority in India. Although Muslim minority caused break up of land of a Hindu majority (India) out of which a country called Pakistan was made for Muslims. If a similar act was done by Hindus against land of Muslim majority (like Pakistan now, though quite improbable) Muslims may feel much the same way as Hindus do now. In treatment of Hindu minority in Pakistan, Muslim minority in India must be remembered, as concerns repercussions. Muslims in India do not have to pay price of Muslims in Pakistan forever! I hope that moderates high tempers of Muslims in Pakistan when they speak about India and Hindus. Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Oct 20, 2010 - 8:54PM

    What I do not understand is why some people here are justifying the the kidnapping of Hindus, by stating that Muslims are treated worse in India? How a minority is treated in India should not be a factor in how Pakistan treats its minorities.

    Whether the death penalty is imposed on kidnappers or not is, in my opinion, irrelevant. Yes, the death penalty serves as a deterrent. Yes, laws must be drafted, and enforced to protect minorities. Yet, the only possible long term solution is that offer by Afzal K – education. It is only education that can solve this mess. People need to be educated enough to know that Hindus, Sikhs, Parsi, Christians are human beings, and thus not ‘lower’ simply because they adhere to another religion; and that people ought to be judged by nothing else but the content of their characters.

    Moreover, legislators should be educated enough to know that these minorities are also citizens of this State, and therefore have the exact same rights as Muslims. Which results in what I said above: yes, laws should be drafted and enforced to protect minorities.

    Therefore, the point is simple. The resolution of this dilemma rests in proper education, since education tackles (i) legislative intolerance, and (ii) social intolerance, towards people of other faiths.Recommend

  • Anoop
    Oct 20, 2010 - 9:43PM

    I am practical enough to know that this will never end. Pakistan will always remain a Islamic Republic. An Islamic Republic where Muslims cannot call themselves Muslims. If Muslims can be institutionally marginalized then forget about Hindus or Christians or Sikhs.

    At the time of Partition Pakistan boasted about 20-20% non-Muslim population. Now, its barely 3%. Compare this with India, where the number of non-Hindus has actually increased in proportion.Recommend

  • Oct 20, 2010 - 10:13PM

    What is wrong with you people bashing Marvi for bringing up an issue that is quite important. It is pathetic as a nation that we try to hide our misgivings. How pathetic is it that they are migrating to India and it doesn’t hurt your pride!

    Pakistan will be a secular country soon enough, keep trying to surpress people with differing opinions and you will see us rise up. Recommend

  • Arijit Sharma
    Oct 20, 2010 - 10:46PM

    @kamal: It would be better if pakistani hindus can come to India.There is no hope for them in Pakistan..

    From reading the comments on this blog – it appears that a sizable number of Muslim – Pakistanis want Hindu Pakistani to live in Pakistan as equal citizens. And it seems Pakistani Hindus want to make a life in Pakistan.

    However – as one post reminds us – there is a reality about Pakistan being an Islamic Republic, and Pakistani Hindus having limited options.

    Pakistan is going through terrible times – which I believe is of its own making. The hope is that good will emerge for Pakistan after these troubles are over.

    Pakistani Hindus will be the best judge. They are MOST welcome in India ANYTIME – they can settle wherever their heart desires. It will be our honour if they call India home.Recommend

  • Ashutosh
    Oct 20, 2010 - 11:08PM

    Pakistan can then be declared secular once they are through with all its minorities … Recommend

  • parvez
    Oct 20, 2010 - 11:35PM

    A bold, necessary write up. Trying to create an awareness of a social evil is commendable.
    After reading the negative comments I have to commiserate with the author. She is in a situation of “damned if she does and damned if she don’t”, at least she has to courage to try.Recommend

  • Amaar
    Oct 21, 2010 - 12:10AM

    Great read! Indeed Pakistan needs to move towards Jinnah’s vision of a equality-based (read secular) state. Mullahism of our religious parties has done enormous damage to the society.Recommend

  • Humanity
    Oct 21, 2010 - 12:36AM

    This is a good start. Any chance of for creating awareness about the Christians, Ahmadis, Shi’as ?Recommend

  • Giri
    Oct 21, 2010 - 1:12AM

    I was initially shocked with some comments like “We muslims ourselves are target of these killings and you are bothered about hindus?”. Well, i didn;t know that hindus are third class citizens there with same status as animals. Who cares if animals get killed when the lives of people are lost. Now it makes sense.Recommend

  • Javed Afridi
    Oct 21, 2010 - 1:42AM

    Dirty politics.

    Before making it an issue faced by the minority in Pakistan, have you ever tried to find out many Muslims are being kidnapped and killed or released after ransom is paid in this country. They are in hundreds…. everyday. Or they just don’t matter because they are in majority.

    Its not the issue of religion or being in minority without a political support but the issue is that we have leaders like you, who can’t think beyond political scoring. Opposing capital punishment to people, who just don’t care for human life and are willing to deny anyone the right to live simply because he won’t or can’t pay the extortion money, simply means supporting them.

    Is it not a fact that more than 90 percent of outlaws in my country have support of political leaders behind them.Recommend

  • EJ
    Oct 21, 2010 - 4:43AM

    Islamic republic of Pakistan – all welcome! lets not go there ….

    Kidnapping is one of the major issues in Pakistan these days, however, this article does not convince me the issue is restricted to religion. There are many other issues that our targetted towards minorities, but I think this musibat is for all Pakistanis.

    Lets deal with this issue for all Pakistani’s! and yes I would like to know what your goverment did to protect its citizen against this crime? This is no sarcasm, I really do!Recommend

  • manish mall
    Oct 21, 2010 - 9:30AM

    I am so suprised to read this article I as an Indian. Pakistan has always been maintaining that Muslims are being harrassed in India, but after all this the muslims have flourished in my country and Hindu’s have diminished in the so called Just and Sharia governed state of Pakistan. Is it now so that wherever there will be a Muslim there will be no peace? Recommend

  • Kingri
    Oct 21, 2010 - 9:37AM

    Nawaz Sharif gave huge amount to the lawyers for restoration of CJ. The judiciary has been restored. Justice is being served. Pakistan has become an example as law abiding country, corruption free state. Every one has respect for law and order. Every citizen of Pakistan is getting justice. …..
    Where are the lawyers now??? Kurd is retired now and have become millionaire, So is Mr. Itezaz advising now to His Excellency Mr. Zardari.
    Since the Inception of Pakistan we hated Bengalis (East Pakistanis) and denied their rights. We became proud and thought that we are superior to others. We created hatred against other religions. We only praised for our religion and rejected outrageously other faiths. It is said that as you sow, so shall you reap. It’s time now, to pay for the damage at the cost of our country.
    We lost East Pakistan after 23 years and if the current scenario prevails we will further be divided. We do not need any outsiders for this..The evils have already penetrated amongst us and waiting for us to become further weak. Now Bangladesh is performing better than us. Other countries who got independence after us have developed themselves. Our leaders do not have a political will for the welfare of the people.
    The current system is a failure now and need a revolutionary step. We need a Mao Xe Tung. We need to hang some politicians, and moulvis once for all to get rid of cancer of Pakistan.
    Waiting for a Mao Xe Tung………..Recommend

  • V K
    Oct 21, 2010 - 10:04AM

    Thank to MNA Marvi Memon for Taking up the issue… there is a another much serious issue going on these days with hindus.. Young girls from hindu community are kidnapped and converted to Islam and thus get the nikah registered. It maybe that a few of them willingly convert to Islam to marry some person but not on the scale as is being done in this very state, on this very motherland…. @ times they had even demanded a huge ransom from parents for return. A recent case like this comes to my mind from mirpurkhas. The girl was kidnapped and kept at a madersah. two days later the kidnappers demanded a house in the city and Rs 40lac. Since parents didn’t have that much money, they couldn’t pay the ransom and as of now Girl has not returned yet…..Day in and day out we here these cases so what are the options a Hindu has got???

    Thanks and Regards…Recommend

  • Oct 21, 2010 - 10:52AM

    Marvi: Your point about “Being a Hindu in Pakistan” is well taken.

    Since you are a politician, and people have a right to hold your feet to the fire, may I ask you a question, or two?

    So, how about being a Christian or a Sikh? Better yet, how about being an Ahmadi in Pakistan?

    They are all peaceful minority groups. Aren’t they?

    From among those who claim to be Muslims, we know Shias, at times, have responded in kind; an eye for an eye.

    From among the non-Muslims we have seen Christian and Hindus take it to to the streets, and stage protests, non-violently, of course.

    On the other hand, have you ever seen an Ahmadi mob burning down the city, or even coming to the streets to protest?

    They are the most persecuted, yet most productive and non-violent section of the Pakistani citizenry.

    You are a politician; how often have you stood up for them? What have you done for them lately?

    Recommend

  • Aneel
    Oct 21, 2010 - 12:13PM

    this is a small list from Marvi memon in sanghar sindh evry days hindu are pays money to the brother of a secretary of CM sindh his name is kaka nizaman as he says that he is a don he doing firing on many house of hindus and also lock the houses and saying that if you give ransome than he will open. please safe our brothers from these kinds of issues please save we beg from goverment because these people are belong with goverment.Recommend

  • Oct 21, 2010 - 12:22PM

    Your last sentence says it all, “All that is needed is the political will to go after those involved in these kidnappings — the incidents will stop and our Hindu compatriots will stop fleeing to India.”.

    While some loons believe nobody, besides their own little sect, has a right to be alive, most relatively sane people believe Hindus/Christians don’t belong in Pakistan and should be in India or some other country. They’re happy to see the minorities flee and wouldn’t lift a finger in their support.

    We have lost all concept of what it is to be human. Nothing will change until we can feel the pain of other human beings, no matter what their race, language or beliefs.Recommend

  • kamran khan baloch
    Oct 21, 2010 - 12:55PM

    The title (and to some extent content) of this article can be very miss leading, to someone who does not understand the general law and order situation of Pakistan. Hindus are treated well and they are in different fields of life showing good performance in Pakistan. I am sure their situation is much better than muslim minorities in some other so called secular states. As far as the law and order is concerned then…”Pakistan ka Khuda hi hafiz hay…”
    Criminals dont ask for religion before their crime here…Recommend

  • Colgaze
    Oct 21, 2010 - 1:06PM

    @ Imran….absolutely spot on…..

    chaos in law and order and you see spill over scattered around the country socially, politically, religiously, economically, you are pointing our attention toward one of the effects ….caused a far bigger and complex …our ideology is Islamic republic our reality is…national, territorial , sovereign country….confusing blend….Recommend

  • Hira Mir
    Oct 21, 2010 - 4:17PM

    @faraz. I do not really know how authentic is what you are stating. I have not heard of that fact before. However, militants do kidnap children and turn them into militants during their stay at madrassahs!Recommend

  • Amna Zaman
    Oct 21, 2010 - 4:19PM

    Being a minority in Pakistan is not easy as the article rightly suggests. We must learn to be more tolerant and respect our minorities just as our religion, Islam tells us to do.Recommend

  • Hamza Baloch
    Oct 21, 2010 - 4:22PM
  • K Hasan
    Oct 21, 2010 - 4:54PM

    Beyond the discrimination of minority and majority there should be equal rights for the all citizens of a state.Recommend

  • Angelos
    Oct 21, 2010 - 9:09PM

    where did ‘secularism’ came from? It is clearly stated that there is a LAW for this problem of minorities and it is not being implemented. As long as laws are not being implemented how can you expect things to improve? Recommend

  • Isfand
    Oct 21, 2010 - 9:22PM

    Angelos yes you are right,i agree with you but………
    How can someone think to implement the law if hatred and discriminations are state policy?
    How can someone think to apply the law if the law itself discriminatory? Recommend

  • Isfand
    Oct 21, 2010 - 9:39PM

    Btw Angelos,im for secularism,i know you are against it and im arguing with you on that.Recommend

  • Suneel
    Oct 21, 2010 - 10:43PM

    I appreciate marvi sahba,, She is standing with us..people like her to make us stop fleeing another country through their love.Recommend

  • Humanity
    Oct 21, 2010 - 11:26PM

    @Angelos “where did ‘secularism’ came from? It is clearly stated that there is a LAW for this problem of minorities and it is not being implemented. As long as laws are not being implemented how can you expect things to improve?

    In 1,400 years the hardliners Muslims have left no stone unturned trying to implement LAWS of Islam by hook or by crook. In doing so, they have caused immeasurable harm to humanity and dragged the religion of benevolence into blood. That the people and state claim to have the authority to issue certificates of who is or is not a Muslim, is sacrilege. It amounts to crossing the line into Allah’s jurisdiction. It is a crime to attempt to make and implement laws based on religion when the understanding of the religion is so fundamentally flawed. The crime and corruption ridden Islamic Republic of Pakistan is a proof of such travesty

    People who yearn to re-live the past must wake up and live in the present. To expect things to improve, people need to get rid of arrogance and seek humility instead. They must replace exclusion with inclusion. Instead of being consumed by hatred, they must nurture love. These are the ways of Allah. This is that path of salvation. Those who disagree that a peaceful, tolerant way of life is true Islam can continue to support bigotry and hatred while they wait for the Messiah to serve them the true islam in a platter.Recommend

  • A Pakistani Hindu
    Oct 21, 2010 - 11:55PM

    Thanks Marvi for raising this highly neglected issue!

    We, the Hindus of Pakistan, are a peaceful and prosperous community. As we have been living here for centuries, we love our homeland and do not wish to move from here. Most Hindu people are well-off and have millions of investment in the country. There’s also a great number of Hindus in the services sector. It is quite true that Hindus are threatened and harassed because they don’t have much political affiliation. Even when a Hindu/Christian/Sikh, despite all the dire threats he receives, dares to knock the doors of law enforcement authorities, they simply turn a deaf ear to the complaint or extort money to provide help.

    Imagine the horror you would experience if you knew that you child is not safe when he/she leaves home and goes to school. A Hindu parent feels that way every day! Their daughter/sisters are not safe when they leave home to attend colleges/universities. Their businesses, properties are always at risk. Most times, they have to hide their identity/name because they know that it might adversely affect their position or sometimes cost them their lives! Due to this menace, they always have to keep a backup in other countries, in case they run into a trouble and have to flee. It’s not true that Pakistani Hindus run to India only for safe havens – they can be found around the globe. But each Hindu family here makes sure they have someone to take care of them in India. Because when/if they have to relocate to India, they have to start everything from scratch.

    There’s no denial in the fact that Hindus are not the only ones who are at risk in this country. Every common Pakistani citizen today faces some threat due to the deteriorating law and order situation. But it is a never-ending dilemma for the Hindu community no matter how the state of country is! The problem lies at the grass-root level. For instance, the Pakistan studies/Pakistan history curriculum that our children are taught in schools is highly biased. It still contains strong ethnic words against Hindus! Moreover, the Government needs to do more beyond creating ministries for minorities to protect the rights of the minority. Hindus or any other minority group has the same right as any other Muslim Pakistani.Recommend

  • Bangash
    Oct 22, 2010 - 12:23AM

    Muslims are not safe from kidnapping, terrorism and stability so why would anyone expect minorities to be safe ?Recommend

  • Tippu
    Oct 22, 2010 - 3:55AM

    Good article Marvi to highlight the concerns of the minorities.

    However, i dont think the hindus are targeted in particular. Everyone seems to be a target if u ask me. Including muslims.Recommend

  • Name Not Disclosed
    Oct 22, 2010 - 4:26AM

    My ideas would be the same as Imran, Umar and Sobia’s.Recommend

  • Maulana Diesel
    Oct 22, 2010 - 5:23AM

    a brave article Ms. Memon. I am impressed. Recommend

  • Sehar
    Oct 22, 2010 - 6:36AM

    Want a free trip to conference circuit India? Or is this an attempt to malign this government as minority abuses always get picked up by the international press (not that this govt deserves anything but disdain).

    Opportunistic Marvi – there is no proof that Hindus are being “targeted” due to their religion as opposed to being the victims of crime in a lawless society. Recommend

  • SA
    Oct 22, 2010 - 8:59AM

    How about being a shia in Pakistan. How about being Ahmedi? Oh hey, how about just “being in Pakistan”?????Recommend

  • Abdul Haseeb
    Oct 22, 2010 - 10:31AM

    I agree with many in the comments section that it is hard being a Pakistani these days. The way you have concluded that Hindus are being targeted is baseless, because here in Peshawar even University VCs are not safe. Kidnapping is on rise here in the provincial capital and I can’t recall even one instance in which a Hindu was involved. The fact is that at the end of the day it is not Hindus or Muslims or Christians or any other religion’s followers that are at a risk of being kidnapped, it is the Pakistani citizen who is suffering not only from this problem but a plethora of other hardships which are worsening every new day.Recommend

  • SUB
    Oct 22, 2010 - 10:52AM

    No body is safe here so why these poor Hindu souls be an exception?

    And people would like to know what your Govt. had done to improve the situation in the years between 1999 to 2008, what makes you an exception to any other criminals/ feudal/ power hungry politicians that has ever ruled this country. No matter how much you try to be a champion some people will always remember Pervaiz Mussharaf and his side kicksRecommend

  • A Pakistani Hindu
    Oct 22, 2010 - 11:14AM

    @Seher: Marvi – there is no proof that Hindus are being “targeted” due to their religion as opposed to being the victims of crime in a lawless society.

    I somewhat agree with seher. It’s the prevailing lawlessness as a whole that is responsible for these criminal acts against minorities. Nonetheless, there are instances where the Hindus are being targeted just because they are politically handicapped and don’t have much backing. It’s not the religion – it’s their helplessness and lack of support! But racism against minorities also prevails in the country – Check out the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan Reports for violence against minorities.

    @ Abdul Haseeb: Kidnapping is on rise here in the provincial capital and I can’t recall even one instance in which a Hindu was involved.

    There are only a handful of Hindus living in Peshawar currently. So chances are that the cases of violence against them are not highlighted much.Recommend

  • R. Querieshi
    Oct 22, 2010 - 2:48PM

    I do not deny that extremism exists in Pakistan but these kidnapping are not related to religion.

    People of Sindh are of secular nature that is why you see no Taliban in Sindh rural areas where most of Hindus live.

    Many Sindhi Hindus are influential people. Let me just give you one example. A Sindhi Hindu member of Parliament slapped a Muslim member of Parliament over an argument on political issue. No one made it a religious matter!!! Can a Muslim do the same in Indian Gujrat Parliament and not fear for his life?

    Hindus are kidnapped because they belong to a certain class, either rich/middle class business men or working class helpless people.

    Crimes against Hindus can be compared to ANY other group of mainstream Muslims when circumstances are similar.

    Hindus love to live in Pakistan (especially secular Sindh) and they do not like to go to India. Even those who migrated to India, returned back after finding out that life and life style was better in Pakistan. Recommend

  • R. Querieshi
    Oct 22, 2010 - 2:55PM

    @ A Pakistani Hindu

    I am from Punjab and living in London so didn’t know about the plight of Hindus in Peshawar or even the fact that they existed in that religion dominated area. I met one Hindu guy in London who was from Frontier province. I took him in confidence and asked him how he feels. I asked him ‘do you get jobs?’ He said that he is working for the government department and is on study leave. I asked him do you feel safe? He said there was only one time his family felt unsafe and that was in 1992 Babri mosque issue. He said they moved to a Muslim friend’s house for a few days and luckily nothing happened.

    In press, I have seen that Taliban asked Sikhs to pay them some religious tax and they moved to another area till Pakistan army destroyed Taliban’s hideouts. I think being a Hindu in Pakistan may not be relaxing but their security can be compared to other Pakistanis who are suffering as well and crimes agianst them cannot be put in ‘hate crimes’ category. Recommend

  • Zohaib Ali Zahid
    Oct 22, 2010 - 4:22PM

    This article made me think what if I was a Hindu, a Sikh, Ahmadi, A Christian, or any other minority for that matter, and had to live in Pakistan? And let me tell you.. I could not think of anything good… We have to do a lot on the legal front to ensure safety and equal rights for minorities and on the social as well where we need to improve the beliefs and perceptions of general populace towards our Non-Muslims fellow countrymen, who love Pakistan as much as we Muslims do.Recommend

  • Subhi
    Oct 22, 2010 - 6:34PM

    The title of Marvi’s article should be “Being a human in Pakistan” instead of “Being a Hindu in Pakistan,” Hindus at least have India to migrate but where would those Muslim go who are being killed in Karachi with a target? What would be of their families who are attacked and killed in Shrines in Lahore, Peshawar and Karachi and how would the families survive of those who are killed unnecessarily throughout the country in suicide attacks and blasts?
    I am convinced if the sitting government have will to control, it could very easily control it but if people are left on the mercy of killers instead of the government, not only Hindus but every Pakistani’s fate would be and is the same. Recommend

  • Jaffery Syed
    Oct 22, 2010 - 7:51PM

    Its a good article politically to support the Hindu community. Why cant i see anyone writing for massive shia killings. Muslims are not kidnapping for ransom, but instead killing other fellow shia muslim who practice the same islam through different school of thought. Every day you see they are killing our shia community people..mostly engineers, doctors, professors and then offcourse normal citizens too…why cant politicians see that, they all just know point scoring…oh im raising my voice for minority, hindus..that will add up a good impact on my party manifesto and so many all political gimmicks, hindu’s re much safer than the actual shia muslim brothers of these so called extremists who are trying to hi-jack islam. We still miss musharraf for this cause only, atleast he had stopped this shia target killings and brutally killed those terrorists…Please raise ur voice for this issue…and help such killings. thanks. Recommend

  • KRIAZ
    Oct 22, 2010 - 8:25PM

    Ms.Memon you rock!!!

    Separation of church and state was never more relevant than in today’s Pakistan.I too am against capital punishment except for the mullahs who have blood on their hands,of not just religious minorities but women,children or any under-privileged group.

    Thank You and Khuda HafizRecommend

  • KM
    Oct 23, 2010 - 1:51AM

    Islamic Republic or Banana Republic?

    Lets not blame the actual name, if we have actually turned out to be a banana republic …

    Ordinarily if we were truly an Islamic Republic, any human being belonging to any religion, cast or creed would have been lived in high esteem, and in complete peace, with full rights of practicing their beliefs, but within a respectable paradigm of a civilized society.

    Please dont blame the country, if we pakistanis have become crooks, and cannot value the land that has been bestowed to us, as a labour of intense hardship. Recommend

  • Rakesh
    Oct 23, 2010 - 2:51AM

    I share your concerns but I agree with a comment above but what are you going to do? Do you have any suggestions? What do other minority MPs of your party think about this?Recommend

  • Isfand
    Oct 23, 2010 - 3:13AM

    @Humanity nice reply

    @Pakistani Hindu thanks for sharing your point of view,shame on us for wht we have done.Secualrism is only solution,as this was also Muhammad Ali Jinnah vision for Pakistan.

    @ R. Querieshi you are talking about a spefic case about this guy but overall we all know how the situation is,
    Facts speaks for themselves.

    “but their security can be compared to other Pakistanis who are suffering as well and crimes agianst them cannot be put in ‘hate crimes’ category.”

    Yes you are right but Hindus had always this problem regardless of the situation of the country.Recommend

  • Karachi Shaher
    Oct 23, 2010 - 4:20AM

    Mrs. Memon is one of the very few politicians (National and International) that I have any respect for. None the less I am dumbfounded by her confounding two issues that are both legitimate in their own right.

    I just can’t see any link between being a Hindu and being kidnapped. I also don’t see any link between treatment of Hindus in Pakistan and horrific atrocities against Muslims in India. Two wrongs don’t make a right. One can only hope that India cam produce honest politicians like Mrs. Memon.Recommend

  • Chaudhry
    Oct 23, 2010 - 4:23AM

    Madam Memon,

    Please don’t write articles on such prestigious websites.. it makes me think twice why i want to keep it as my home page.. the state of affairs of Pakistan are a result of turn coats like you and your father.

    Thank you.Recommend

  • Dr Muneeb Shahid
    Oct 23, 2010 - 11:48AM

    Miss Marvi..
    Pakistan is an Islamic Republic with the grace of ALLAH S.W.T. When you say that, “the discussion revolved around the fact that while we had good laws, they were not being implemented“; I think that instead of making your own laws, why don’t you in particular raise voice for Implementation of Hudood Laws in each and every case?
    It has been a pity that the elites of our country don’t want the Hudood Laws to be implemented at any cost; reason being that it would tighten the grip around their own necks.
    When you talk about the fact that, “since we don’t give life, we have no right to take it away“, you should also keep in mind, that The Human Being cannot create anything perfectly. What ALLAH S.W.T has ordered for us as Hudood Laws, certainly is the most purest form of law that can be implemented on land. When the Hudood Law gives the followers the independence of eye for an eye, then you don’t need to create your own laws that in some manner resembles what has been ordained in the Hudood Law.
    And lastly, the problem of “no rule of law” is not just that of the Hindu community. Its a problem of each and every single citizen of this country, regardless of Caste, Color, Creed, Race or Region. So you don’t need to pull only the minorities in this circle. The majority of professionals from this Land of the Pure are being brain drained only due to this single fact of No Rule of Law.Recommend

  • Indian
    Oct 23, 2010 - 1:16PM

    Eshtablishing Communism is the only way to get rid of every problem now Pakistan is suffering from.Because both democracy/secularism or majoritarian chauvinism has failed to establish peace.Atheism is the only alternative.Recommend

  • R. Khan
    Oct 23, 2010 - 5:10PM

    Excellent Article Marvi! We salute you! We have destroyed Jinnah’s Pakistan by these so called Mullahs out to destroy whatever little is left! Recommend

  • Shariq Saad
    Oct 23, 2010 - 5:21PM

    Marvi and Kashmaala are two very genuine respected speakers. What they say is regarded an honest opinion in all circles.

    There must be something else too that is missing or has been censored from this article. If thats not the case then I guess Marvi really needs to move into general masses because in Pakistan we may burned down our own mosque but you dont see any such activity against churches or mundirs or girja or jewish temples. Minority really thrives on the fact that majority is most of the time fighting amongst themselves on non-issues. However, I also agree that some people on both side use blasphemy to gain recognition and show of force but then this phenomenon is a direct reciprocated result of european countries such as belgium denmark which are known for their notoriety in religeous affairs.

    Shariq SaadRecommend

  • Tani
    Oct 23, 2010 - 6:25PM

    Ms. Marvi Memon,
    The question again begs your answer, you and your father were with Mush for 10 damn years. What did you do about this issue then ? Recommend

  • Ali
    Oct 23, 2010 - 9:33PM

    Nice paras from Marvi but I wonder why all these intelligent legislators fail to implement these laws even when they are power. Sense says because their own interests are more important, and for the sake of power, they are always willing to make a deal with the devil. End no rule of law but law of the ruled.Recommend

  • Oct 24, 2010 - 8:49AM

    True that. But I dont exactly think its cause they are a minority or hindu for that matter. Even muslims in Pakistan who are not affluent enough being treated in atrocious manner. It’s about the money than the faithRecommend

  • Hamid Raza Wattoo
    Oct 24, 2010 - 10:47AM

    “Personally, I am against capital punishment — and the logic is quite straightforward: since we don’t give life, we have no right to take it away” – agreed but what about who do take innocent lives at will. Should they be spared and allowed to continue their run?Recommend

  • Oct 24, 2010 - 1:23PM

    Islam provides complete protection to minorities.
    Vested interests like Qabza groups persecute Hindus and ChristiansRecommend

  • Oct 24, 2010 - 7:24PM

    Ms Marvi’s anger regarding kidnapping of some members of Hindu community in Sindh and Balochistan could have been justified if there were no instances of kidnapping of the members of Muslim community in Pakistan.

    According to a report published in a section of the press there has been an unprecedented increase in the incidents of kidnapping this year in Karachi. On the average around 10 persons were kidnapped every month this year and nearly dozen and a half abductions were reported in August and September last. In all 85 cases of kidnapping have been registered during the first nine months of the current year while same number of cases were reported during the last year in Karachi alone. But in all these kidnappings majority of the victims were Muslims. Kidnappers choose their target after assessing his or her ransom value irrespective of his/her religion, cast or creed. Hence, the notion that only members of Hindu community are being targeted by kidnappers in Pakistan is incorrect.

    Kidnapping for ransom has become a lucrative business for criminals throughout the world. The crime of kidnapping is usually committed against those individuals who fail to recognize their vulnerability to criminal confrontations or lack threat awareness and are ill-prepared to deal with the crime of kidnapping. There is a need to make the people aware regarding preventive measures against kidnapping and how to react under hostage situation.

    Lastly, the Hindu community is living peacefully and happily in Pakistan and its members are enjoying the share in every field of their choice. In Pakistan terrorism and crime has affected the entire nation adversely and not only the Hindu community.

    Recommend

  • Oct 24, 2010 - 9:31PM

    Dear Madam Marvi, You being a PML(Q) MNA could help members of Hindu community in Pakistan in much better way by raising your voice in the National Assembly. You could also meet President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani who could have solved this problem at-once. By writing this problem in the newspaper is likely to create hatred against Muslims in general and Pakistan in particular.

    You may like to know that it is not only members of the Hindu community in Pakistan which are being kidnapped for ransom Muslims are also being kidnapped in great numbers than Hindus. You can verify this fact by visiting Headquarters of the Citizen Police Liaison Committee (CPLC) located in Sindh Governor House.

    Please remember that Kidnapping for ransom has become a lucrative business for criminals throughout the world. The crime of kidnapping is usually committed against those individuals who fail to recognize their vulnerability to criminal confrontations or lack threat awareness and are ill-prepared to deal with the crime of kidnapping. There is a need to make the people aware regarding preventive measures against kidnapping and how to react under hostage situation.

    However, India is also not a crime-free country. Crime of kidnapping for ransom is committed much more in India than Pakistan Hence, fleeing to India due to the fear of kidnapping is not the correct solution. I suggest you being the elected representative and MNA should motivate members of Hindu community and advise them not to flee from Pakistan.

    Warmest regards

    Sincerely

    Sqn Ldr S.Ausaf Husain (Retd)
    Freelance Security Educator & Consultant
    E-Mail: freelance_ausaf@yahoo.com Recommend

  • G.Khan
    Oct 25, 2010 - 12:50AM

    I would not waste my time in arguing what system whether secular or any other is good for Pakistan so that everyone in general and minorities in particular can live in peace and harmony because they are afterall citizens of Pakistan. I would Just like to ask one question , ” What is written on Pakistani passport”? Yes, “Islamic republic of Pakistan”. Well, then do we know what are the rights of minorities in an Islamic republic? Have anyone of you ever read those rights? And if yes, then whats wrong with giving them their rights what our religion obliges us to do? What’s wrong? Or are we are 3rd class Muslims ourselves? And we are because if we were not, we would have given minorites their rights, protected their worshipping places, their belongings and themselves as ordered by the holy book. So, whats wrong ? Can anyone tell me? Why people are raping their ladies and no action being taken against them? Where is the Justice for them? Go and review islamic teachings on minorities and their rights. Shame on clergies as well who do not condemn it and do nothing to provide them justice. They will be questioned as well. I agree with majority here that everyone regardless of his/her religion are facing the same hardships and crimes , however I believe that minorities feel it more because they suffer from the hands of the majority.It is for this reason that quick justice be served to them. And afterall this is no excuse that since everyone is in the same situation so it’s ok. No, it’s not Ok. andit will be better that actions must speak louder than words NOW then NEVER before else it be too late.Recommend

  • Freedom Supreme
    Oct 25, 2010 - 3:57AM

    I just don’t get it. The title, intro, body and conculusion are all over the place….what is the point writer trying to make? How is it relevant to mention that she is on the standing committee for law and justice? And how does her opinion on capital punishment fit in? It is not the kidnapping of hindus but the cluelessness of our sitting MNAs which is a problem worth writing about.

    Madam Memon stop spending time writing and do something. You are in a position of power and member of the “National Assembly’s Standing Committee for Law and Justice”. Let me remind you that being a member of this committee that you and your colleagues are responsible for the better implementation of the law.

    Please stop writing such articles to win hindu votes and do your job. Go get the kidnappers regardless of who they are kidnapping.Recommend

  • Oct 25, 2010 - 10:05AM

    Sir, I fully agree with the version of ‘Freedom Supreme’. Ms Marvi should not have written such article in the newspaper as it must have created hatred against the Muslims and also it also amount to defaming Pakistan. In my comments above I have addressed directly Ms Marvi and told her that being an MNA she could raise her voice in the National Assembly and also meet President and Prime Minister of Pakistan to look into the problem of kidnapping of members of Hindu Community rather than making a issue in the print media. Recommend

  • Sapna
    Oct 25, 2010 - 4:12PM

    I agree in general both communities are kidnapped but in small cities, or villager Hindus are mainly targeted. i am Hindu girl i have seen cases in front of me, and no body take action of these matters. i remember recently in geo programs 5o minutes program raised this issue but no any serious action taken.

    Government should take actions to both communities.

    There are many Pakistani Hindus like me they really don’t want to leave Pakistan.Recommend

  • Abulfazl Mahmud
    Oct 25, 2010 - 4:57PM

    If Muslims are not safe in Pakistan that is no consolation for Hindus. In any case that is a fault of Muslims themselves. It is Muslims who put people in power through omission or commission.
    Secularism? No one seems to know the true meaning of the word. The vested interests have quite mischeviously translated it as Ladiniyat. Nothing of the sort. In times of Muslim ascendancy, Muslims were secular and no bigots were allowed in positions of responsibility. If as you claim, what is happening is not in Islam then where do you look for that ideal Islam? The Islam that exists is only the Mullah’s Islam, strife torn and murderous.
    It is good for Marvi to express her candid opinion about the Hadood, about capital punishment and about things in general. If she was a part of the Musharraf, that is neither here nor there. She clould not be expected tol be the mover and the shaker. She has expressed the right views.Recommend

  • Oct 25, 2010 - 4:59PM

    Dear Miss Sapna, I fully agree with you and condemn those authorities who have become insensitive to such reports of kidnapping and not bothering to provide protection to the people especially the Hindu community in Pakistan. I also appreciate your spirit and courage for bringing out the facts and salute to those members of Hindu community who despite of mounting fear of kidnapping and other acts of crime are determined to stay in Pakistan. I appeal to the authorities concerned and the President and Prime Minister of Pakistan to take notice of this problem and provide best possible protection to the minority so that they live peacefully in Pakistan without any fear.

    We must not forget that Father of the nation Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah has placed white colour depicting minorities in our national flag of Pakistan first before green coloure for majority Muslims.The idea of Quaid-i-Azam for putting white colour in the national flag was to give preference to minorities over majority Muslims.But I doubt if present day people of Pakistan know this.

    I wish if my comments are published in columns of ‘Letters to the editor’ by TRIBUNE. for the information of readers.Recommend

  • Zara
    Oct 25, 2010 - 7:21PM

    Even Baba Fareed and Data Sahib are not safe these days. Bad times for all Pakistanis. I commend Ms. Memon for raising this very important issue, though, and I hope she can do it on TV talk shows too, which have larger audience and can do a great deal for raising awareness of minority rights in Pakistan. Recommend

  • amjad afridi
    Oct 25, 2010 - 8:21PM

    this article draws our attention to several problems our country facing now. if we want pakistan progressive and in the list of leading nations, then we need to be realistic and practical. we should accept that kidnapping take place from every minority communities and over all its a common problem. i think as a society it is also our individual duty to practice inter-intelligence tactics, which means keeping an eyes in our surrounding on any suspicious activity and co-operate within the limit of law. which is called “eighbourhood watch”.
    its a serious issue and i think we should respect all communities anywhere in the world.Recommend

  • Oct 25, 2010 - 9:20PM

    I like Zara’s comments. I would request Ms Marvi to appear in TV Talk show in which the panel beside Ms Marvi Memon should compromise Sindh Home Minister, IG Police Sindh, Chief of Citizen Police Committee (CPLC) two members of Hindu community and a security expert from private sector. I am a Freelance Security Educator & Consultant and I can also be called to represent private sector. I suggest The Express Tribune should sponsor the TV Talk show on a Private TV Channel. TV Talk show “Being a Hindu in Pakistan”will be viewed by great number of audience both in Pakistan and abroad. It will also make the government in taking serious notice and kill the problem.

    It should not be difficult for Ms Marvi MNA to get the TV Talk show organised.Recommend

  • Dr. Asad Sadick, Germany
    Oct 25, 2010 - 10:17PM

    You talk of minorities like Hindus, Parsees, Christians and Ahmedis who are unsafe and targetted. What about the majority so-called muslims. Even they are unsafe and live dangerously in this “land of the pure”. We are all in the same boat. Maybe that is a consolation.Recommend

  • Milind
    Oct 25, 2010 - 11:24PM

    @marvi- Muslims are as safe as hindus in India. And whole world knows this fact. Few bad elements are often try to disturb our harmony but in such a big country these stuffs are bound to happen. If the muslims of Pakistan are not safe, how can anybody expect that hindus are in safe hands. In India, Hindu- Muslims are getting married to each other quite comfortably. Is this possible in pak??? Recommend

  • Oct 29, 2010 - 6:35AM

    The stats first. Over 20% of Pakistanis were Hindus in the 1950s. Today they are less than 2%. The trouble with Pakistan isn’t exactly that there is no rule of law. In fact, the law has been effectively used for persecution throughout.

    298A: Use of derogatory remarks etc., in respect of holy personages — 3 years imprisonment, or with fine, or with both
    298B: Misuse of epithets, descriptions and titles etc., reserved for certain holy personages or places, by Ahmadis — 3 years imprisonment and fine
    298C::Aka Ordinance XX: An Ahmadi, calling himself a Muslim, or preaching or propagating his faith, or outraging the religious feelings of Muslims, or posing himself as a Muslim — 3 years imprisonment and fine
    295: Injuring or defiling places of worship, with intent to insult the religion of any class — Up to 2 years imprisonment or with fine, or with both
    295A: Deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs — Up to 10 years imprisonment, or with fine, or with both
    295B: Defiling, etc., of Quran — Imprisonment for life
    295C Use of derogatory remarks, etc; in respect of Muhammad — Death and fine

    If the law itself supports all this, what to talk about atrocities afflicted on minorities through lawlessness?Recommend

  • Usman Ahmad
    Nov 5, 2010 - 3:09PM

    It’s quite interesting to note that the whole discussion has taken an ideological and/or religious overtone. No one is talking about the culprits. Perhaps unconciously, we all suppose that it is the work of Islamic militants or, even if they are not involved, it is somehow related to the religiosity we are currently experiencing in Pakistan. So the whole discussion is about the type of political system in Pakistan, and how it feels to be a minority in Pakistan. The people who kidnap Hindus in Sindh are mostly dacoits and the people involved in this heinous crime in Balochistan are mostlt BALOCH SEPARATISTS!…Amazing! No one seems to be talking about them. Another piece to add: All B. Seps are secular and have sympathy for them in liberal cicles of Pakistan. However, it does not mean the situation of minorities is satisfactory. Govt. must take action to stop the ‘post-independence migration’ of Hindu community. And last but not the least, Marvi Sahiba, these incidents of kidnapping have been going on for years now, what did you do for them when your political party was in power? Do you rememebr the letter of a Hindu boy written from India to Chief Justice of Pakistan in which he alleged that a sitting federal minister of PML Q from Balochistan has shot dead his brother? The issue was probably of land…..Food for thought!!!!Recommend

  • Nov 5, 2010 - 7:28PM

    Version of Mr Usman Ahmad that the people who kidnap Hindus in Sindh are mostly dacoits and the people involved in this heinous crime in Balochistan are mostlt BALOCH SEPARATISTS is correct. But it not the work of Islamic militant in any way because no Taliban-like activity like forcing Hindus to convert their religion into Islam or leave the area as Taliban did in South Waziristan with the Sikh Community in 2008 was ever took place in Sindh with the Hindu community. Kidnapping in Sindh is always carried out by criminals in convenience with the local police. Kidnappers target rich people after assessing their ransom value irrespective of their religion, cast, creed or colour. It is just a coincidence that the area in Sindh where kidnapping is taking place inhabited mostly by rich Hindu businessmen. If someone checks the statics of kidnappings took place in that area all kidnapped victims will be rich people both Hindus and Muslims and there will be no poor person. But instead of accepting this reality a political colour has been given to make it a political issue.

    The only remedy of the problem of kidnapping is to control the police and SHOs of the area should be sacked and criminilas tamed by the police shoud be plushed out. Recommend

  • Nov 5, 2010 - 11:04PM

    I would like to suggest that THE EXPRESS TRIBUNE should organise a seminar at Karachi on the topic of ” ARE HINDUS SAFE IN PAKISTAN?” in which Federal Interior Minister Rehman Malik should be invited as chief guest. As for the speakers following should be invited as speaker:-
    a. Sindh Home Minister.
    b. IG Police Sindh.
    c. Chief of CPLC.
    d. SPs of the districts of Sindh where kidnapping of Hindus is alleged.
    e. Two members of Hindu community affected by kidnapping.
    f. Ms Marvi Memon.
    g. Me…. Sqn Ldr S. Ausaf Husain (Retd) Freelance Security Educator.

    The seminar if organised will bring out the facts and help in finding the possible solutions to kill the problem. Continuing this debate on these pages and adding comments after comments which are 120 by now will not be of any help to our brothers of Hindu community living in Pakistan. Now some practical steps are to be taken so that our rulers are apprised and they take serious notice of the ongoing problem with the Hindu community in Pakistan.Recommend

  • KAMAL
    Nov 6, 2010 - 8:57AM

    capital punishment is basically a tool and should be used as a “deterrent” so that others could not dare such crimes. if politicians have the zeal and intention to serve people and leave aside personal gains – our country could become a real heaven. alas – this is not the case. you spend millions to get elected and then try to encash multifold when in power. just make your own analysis and then help people openly and secretly and serve humanity so that when you die people remember you in their hearts. helping people can also be done without being elected representatives.Recommend

  • Nov 6, 2010 - 9:36PM

    In our country it is the politicians who actually get elected by throwing illegal money to buy votes, by intimidating people for casting votes to them and thereafter, coming into power politicise police and bureaucrats for their vested interests. As this is not enough they start building up their wealth by other illegal means such as smuggling narcotics, human trafficking, car snatching, bank dacoities and kidnapping for ransom. But the police of the area cannot dare to catch them because either they get their share or are influenced by them.

    Sadly everyone knows these facts but our media and government keep on saying that elections were transparent, free and fare. And when situation deteriorates and army takes over then these politicians start making hue and cry for democracy. Real democracy cannot come in Pakistan unless Feudalism, Sardari nizam and Waderah Shahi is eradicated completely from this country, which seems impossible.

    There is an old British slang which fits to all of us. Allow me to quote ” If the rape is inevitable then relax and enjoy”.Recommend

  • G.Khan
    Nov 7, 2010 - 2:10AM

    Pakistanis either Hindus, Muslims ,Christians or any other religion are Pakistanis under the constitution. Period. Now, anyone who violates this law must be severely punished. I don’t care who is he or what is his faith? Since it’s the case of Hindu minority’s rights under discussion and MARVI MEMON( MNA) has pointed out this violation of basic rights of Hindu minority for which she has quoted some incidences, I firmly believe those who have committed these atrocities must be brought to immediate justice and must be awarded the highest punishment possible. I don’t care if they are Muslims or any other faith. Point is RULE OF LAW and we must provide justice for all. That’s what our constitution says and these are the teaching of Islam as well that ” DO THE JUSTICE”. No religion teaches more about Justice than Islam and we must practice that. Period. There are no if and Buts. A criminal is a criminal regardless of his/her religion or faith and he must be dealt with iron Fist & instant Justice. Because Justice delayed is Justice denied. Islam has special emphasis on Justice and Qur’an repeatedly reminds us that “DO JUSTICE” .That means Justice regardless of cast, faith and religion. When this will happen it will become a exemplary society. Chief Minister Sindh must take action. He should not be sleeping on it or he must be kicked out if he can not provide justice and guarantee safety of the minority’s rights and rights of all Pakistanis in general. Very quickly he must react. And Mr. Prime Minister, Open your eyes and act NOW. Recommend

  • G.Khan
    Nov 7, 2010 - 9:19PM

    @ Sqn Leader S. Ausaaf Hussain.

    I am greatly shocked by your statement “‘ There is an old British slang which fits to all of us. Allow me to quote ” If the rape is inevitable then relax and enjoy”.

    I could not expect such a thing from a military leader of your experience. It’s really very sad. I don’t care what British saying is. I only want to know what constitution of Pakistan says that Safety of the citizens of Pakistan is the responsibility of the State of Pakistan. So, Whoever is raped or being raped in actual or virtual sense must be dealt with and those perpetrators must be brought to immediate justice and punished most severe punishments. But such attitude of passiveness from military/Air force leader/s is very sad. It looks like no one wants law and order in this country.Recommend

  • Nov 8, 2010 - 9:15AM

    @G.Khan

    Sir, thanks for your comments. I actually enjoyed your comments. But let me tell you that here I wanted to convey that when people cannot find any remedy and just making hue and cry are left with no option but to relax and enjoy. By the grace of God you are well off and must be enjoying a high status but what is happening below your line and how people are compelled to survive you might not be able to imagine. Cost of one ‘Roti’ is now Rs 6/- a tea cup for Rs 10/- a plate of ‘Dal’ in a roadside hotel where labour class eat is for Rs 40/- Curd, milk now ove Rs 80/- per kg. Similarly, recently sugar price has been raised beyond the reach of common man. Unending load-shedding, rise in petrol price affecting fare of public buses adding financial burden on poor people.

    Now come to law and order situation in the country. I need not to explain you must be well aware. But people wants to know what constitution of Pakistan says that Safety of the citizens of Pakistan is the responsibility of the State of Pakistan. So, Whoever is raped or being raped in actual or virtual sense must be dealt with and those perpetrators must be brought to immediate justice and punished most severe punishments. This phrase has become very common and old too. Here, people like you have to point out who are these perpetrators and how these perpetrators must be brought to immediate justice and punished most severe punishments?

    If answer theses questions cannot be answered then let us ‘ Relax and enjoy’.
    However, Sir, I apologise if my quote has hurt you. Recommend

  • G.Khan
    Nov 8, 2010 - 10:59PM

    @ Sq, Leader Ausaf Husain

    Ok. I think I misunderstood. I am sorry. Recommend

  • Nov 9, 2010 - 4:21PM

    @G.Khan,

    Thank you Sir, you are great.

    By the way I like your comments, “Islam has special emphasis on Justice and Qur’an repeatedly reminds us that “DO JUSTICE” .That means Justice regardless of cast, faith and religion. When this will happen it will become a exemplary society. Chief Minister Sindh must take action. He should not be sleeping on it or he must be kicked out if he can not provide justice and guarantee safety of the minority’s rights and rights of all Pakistanis in general. Very quickly he must react. And Mr. Prime Minister, Open your eyes and act NOW”.

    Indeed we need frank, straight-forward and bold people like you in Pakistan.Recommend

  • G.Khan
    Nov 10, 2010 - 10:23PM

    @Sqn Ldr S.Ausaf Husain ( Retd)

    Thank you for your kind words.
    I think that time has come when educated people must step forward and start forming Pressure groups and force Govt. institutions to formulate a POLICY , a long term road map of its department, and make these institutions transparent for those pressure groups and public. We must emphasize, through such pressure groups, only one thing and one thing only , and that is “ACCOUNABILITY”. After accountability (once proved someone corrupt or unsuitable for the job) that such person should grind through the machinery of justice so that he gets his right conviction quickly and smoothly. That will initiate a process that will, if once started, will not reverse. Autonomous Accountability body is required ( and more legislation through Parliament)and we all ( specially people like you ) can help through such pressure groups. We must use media and must pressure media into that direction as well. A soft revolution will start forming and these insecurities & unjust practices will slowly but surely will start to fade away. Recommend

  • Nov 18, 2010 - 3:28PM

    Hindus, Christians, Ahmedis and other non-Sunni Pak minorities are welcome to come to India or go to any other secular country claiming “religious persecution in an Islamic country”. We will value your contributions and will treat you as valuable fellow citizens.

    As for comments about Muslims in India, lots of our heroes are Muslim, in the arenas of sport, culture, economics, freedom struggle. So why would we treat them badly? And our Constitution, in force for 60 years (since 1950), protects them and their rights.Recommend

  • Proud to be Indian
    Nov 18, 2010 - 8:10PM

    It is the mentality of the society which unites people i find many of u have a wrong opininon of how muslims are treated in india, has anyone from you been to india.
    During partition population of india was 30 crore whereas total number of muslims were 7lakh few thousand.
    And now we have 12 crore muslims in india.and we as an hindus have accepted it to allow them to follow there own law board which is called as muslim personal law board and waqf board.
    whereas its viceversa in pakistan where there is no law.people think islam is the only religion which should be followed by each and every individual whereas rest of religious mindset are onus.
    there are many facts that should be understood before commenting on india though we do have hypocrates in our political system but we also have equal rights to muslim as india is the only non islamic country in the world which gives huge subsidies for haj .

    When babri mosque was demolished muslims all over the world objected but what about demolishing temples in pakistan buddha statue in afghanistan killing 1000 cows this was something that really ensnares the mentality.what you do over there reciprocates the over here in india . come out of communism as this doesnt unites people and there ethics.

    keep religion to your heart and home and than try to interact with other changes will be visible

    and when we read the way hindus are treated in pakistan it hurts.Recommend

  • Nov 18, 2010 - 10:03PM

    @Arjun, My birth place is India and I lived there till the age of 15 years. When everyone from my family migrated to Pakistan so my family also migrated to Pakistan in 1949 peacefully and respectfully. Majority of my class fellows were Hindu boys and girls. We used to play together, eat together and no feelings of religion. Hindu and Muslim families used to join each others religious festivals On the festival of ‘Rakhi Bundhan’ Hindu girls used to go to the the houses of Muslim and made Muslim boys their brothers by tying ‘Rakhi’ in their right hand. Similarly, Muslim families used to invite Hindu families in Eid Millan parties. Same atmosphere was also prevailing in Pakistan in pre-partition days. But after the independence narrow-minded politicians and religious fanatics on both side started poisoning the people for their vested interest.

    However, the issue raised by Ms Marvi Memon ‘ Being Hindu in Pakistan’ is about kidnapping for ransom of Hindus in a specific small area in Pakistan which is infested by ‘Dacoits’ and Muslims living in that area were equally affected like Hindus. Muslims were also making hue and cry against indents of kidnappings and were criticizing the government for not providing protection to them.But Ms Marvi Memon picked up the voices of Hindus only to gain popularity among Hindu community and gave a different colour by showing that all Hindus in Pakistan living in fearful condition and government of Pakistan is turning a deaf year to them which is incorrect and Hindus are now fleeing to India thinking that India is a safe place to live where there is no kidnapping for ransom and there are no dacoits forgetting the massacre and killings by ‘Phoolan Devi The Bandit Queen of India’ and gangs of furious dacoits spread all over India.

    By the way Hindus in Pakistan are living peacefully and given their share and their rights are respected. While Muslims in India do not enjoy full freedom. After the massacre of Muslims in Gujrat and arson of Samjhota Express in India Muslims all over India are feeling quite unsafe. Can someone quote such massacre of Hindus any where in Pakistan. Thousands of Sikhs pilgrims come to Pakistan through Wagah to visit Nankan Sahib every year. They stay in Lahore, shop and enjoy food in restaurants. They are welcomed respected both by the government of Pakistan and the people. Pakistani Sikhs are now given commissioned in the Pakistan Army. So its wrong to say that Hindus in Pakistan as a minority have no value. They ( the minority) in Pakistan are as valuable as Muslims. But in India it is not so. Recommend

  • Rehan
    Nov 19, 2010 - 11:38AM

    What a Shame!

    Here’s what wikipedia says :-

    In August 1947, at the end of British Raj, the population percentage of Hindus in what is today in Pakistan was perhaps as high as 15-20%, but would drop to its current total of less than 2% in the years since independence. According to the 1998 Pakistan Census, caste Hindus constitute about 1.6 percent of the total population of Pakistan and about 6.6% in province of Sindh. The Pakistan Census separates Schedule Castes from the main body of Hindus who make up a further 0.25% of national population.Recommend

  • Rehan
    Nov 19, 2010 - 11:47AM

    Also,

    *Islam is second-most practiced religion in the Republic of India after Hinduism, with more than 13.4% of the country’s population. Right since the time of Independence the concentration of Muslims in India has remained almost the same at 12-13%.

    Islam arrived in India in 12th century and has since become an integral part of India’s rich cultural and religious heritage.Over the years, there has been a significant integration of Hindu and Muslim cultures across India and the Muslims have played a prominent role in India’s economic rise and cultural influence.*Recommend

  • Nov 21, 2010 - 10:14AM

    @Sqn Ldr Ausaf Hussain:

    The statistics quoted about the populations of Muslims and Hindus in India and Pakistan speak for themselves. While the Hindu community in Pakistan has dwindled since Independence, either due to conversion, killing or cleansing/migration, the Muslim community in India has flourished – the richest man in India happens to be Muslim, the most popular actors in India happen to be Muslim, India has had Muslim Presidents, Muslims are part and parcel of Indian society, as are the people from any and all religions, since India has always had a secular Constitution where all people regardless of faith are treated the same.

    Yes, we have had incidents of rioting and disturbances between different religions, but everyone knows that this is wrong and a deviation and need to be stopped. We don’t have laws enshrined in our Constitution like the Blasphemy and Hudood Laws that officially declare non-Sunni Muslims to be 2nd Class citizens in Pakistan. Legal persecution of minorities is far far worse than rioting between troublemaking groups of people in a secular country who happen to be of different religions.

    Finally, if anyone from Pakistan were to visit India, he will find that Muslims in India are treated or mistreated exactly the same as a person of any other religion. They suffer or prosper exactly the same as any other citizen of India.Recommend

  • Nov 21, 2010 - 10:16AM

    Also, the things you mention about Hindus, Muslims and other religious communities living together as neighbours, celebrating each other’s religions and so on, is still very much alive and a fact of life in India. We didn’t lose our culture at Independence, we just gave up part of our shared country for the idea of one man (Jinnah) to create an ideological experiment in Islamization called Pakistan. Recommend

  • abhishek shivhare
    Dec 9, 2010 - 4:29AM

    Pakistan has never protected its minorities.They face social discrimination.No support from so called govt.. Muslims in India are treated nicely.
    Also people like Atif ,Adnan sami.Recommend

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