JI chief Syed Munawwar Hasan. PHOTO: NNI
JI Secretary General Liaquat Baloch and senior JI leader Fareed Piracha were also present at the session, which was held to specifically discuss the Pakistan army's response to Hassan calling the slain Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) chief Hakimullah a 'martyr.'
Moreover, in a recent TV programme the JI chief had reportedly said that if an American who died on the battlefield was not a martyr, then his backers were also not martyrs because they were chasing the same goal. This was implicitly directed towards the Pakistan Army.
"The Pakistan army does not have the right to make political or democratic statements," stated JI General Secretary Liaquat Baloch to the media right after the meeting convened, adding that they will not accept army intervention in politics.
“[The JI] is ready to make any sacrifice to ensure national security and free Pakistan from American slavery,” Baloch further stated.
People with narrow mindsets are engaging in unnecessary arguments and distracting people from important demands such as shutting down Nato supplies and stopping drone attacks, he added.
ISPR's Response
In a rare rejoinder to a political leader’s statement, the Pakistan Army on November 10 had strongly condemned remarks byMunawar Hassan and demanded an ‘unconditional apology’ from him.
“Syed Munawar Hassan has tried to invent a logic based on his political convenience. Strong condemnation of his views from an overwhelming majority leaves no doubt in any one’s mind that all of us are very clear on what the state of Pakistan is and who its enemies are,” a statement issued by the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) had said.
The army’s statement had further said: “The sacrifices of our shuhada [martyrs] and their families need no endorsement from Munawar Hassan and such misguided and self-serving statements deserve no comments.”
It had stated that Munawar Hassan’s statement was both painful and unfortunate as it came from the head of “a party founded by Maulana Maududi, who is respected and revered for his services to Islam”.
The ISPR release had further added that the people of Pakistan – whose loved ones laid down their lives while fighting terrorism and families of martyrs of the armed forces demand an unconditional apology from JI chief for hurting their feelings.
Sindh lawmakers
Members of the Sindh Assembly, while speaking to the media, criticised Hasan’s statements.
Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) leader Faisal Sabswari, Rauf Siddiqui, Speaker Agha Siraj Durrani and Sindh Education Minister Nisar Ahmad Khuhro called the JI leader’s remark an insult to those who have lost their lives while defending the country.
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everybody thinks like this only few dare to speak like munawar sahab .he is indeed a brave person
@DM: sir it is a matter of DHARAM that supersedes individual, politics, even DESH. What we have here is a philosophical argument on a basic religious issue that is much higher than politics hope Jamaat Islami stands by its words.
Everyone who is supporting Munawar Hassan's statements need to read Tahir ul Qadri's statements on his official page and Twitter..Allah swt accept these honest soldiers matyrdom and grant them the highest place in Heaven..this is how we treat our own people, disgusting
Pakistani Army generals are Kemalists and aligned with foreign powers. They have sent troops to places where the Quaid had forbidden. Kayani and his coterie of generals should be brought to trial and punished according to law. All appointees of Musharraf should be investigated for foreign links. Kayani was closely allied wit Musharraf and responsible for massacres sat the Red mosque, Swat, Dir an FATA. Advocating Zionism, Secularism and ethnic nationalism should be banned by law. The Army has failed against BLA or MQM who openly calls for secession, because that is Pakistan's and not America's war. It is now fighting America's war with Pakistani blood and having poor soldiers killed and then calling them martyrs. Army has been cynical about Islam , using it to advance its own agenda. By some estimates the Army has killed over 30,000 Muslim civilians . Martial law is still order of the day in Swat and Dir. Pakistan is not threatened by this insurgency of the poor, rather it is the vested interests of the elite secularized minority including Kemalist generals that is at risk.
There is no evidence Munawwar Hassan receives money for fighting a war of foreign interests, it is the Army using Pakistani blood and resources who is doing so. It has fomented a civil war and will be defeated by the Afghans, as have all armies in history.
If MH thinks taliban are on jihad he should join ttp and should leave pakistan. our country is unlucky people enjoy its resources and get respected but keep on abusing it !
@Yasser: Mr: people are not rejecting Jammat Islami but they have been supporting corruption, cowardice, loot and plunder of national wealth, target killers, bhatta khors so and so and this is the result that today tomato is being sold 200 per KG,no water no electricity, no education, and high inflation. Actually, you are reaping what you have sown. Plz tell me are u satisfied with this situation. Is NAWAZ Benazir, Zardari or corrupt generals are qualified from any religious seminary or from Achison and alike. When u point one fingers on others the rest of the four fingers are always against you. PLZ keep in mind and keep crying over this sinking titanic at the hands of these corrupt and coward politicians.
@Uza Syed: May be I should have. The thing is I am often dragged into an MQM debate when a news item is remotely related to MQM, I dont appreciate that so I would rather be subtle.
MQM has certainly pulled us out of sectarian quagmire that JI would have taken us into. PTI and JI, the political allies of TTP are completely rejected by Karachi, thanks to THE philosophical direction provided by MQM
The close alliance with Pakistan Army and USA is there for everyone to see. The Army looks after the interest of USA and not Pakistan. This should come to an end. Secondly the Army should not, I repeat, should not interfere in politics. One can agree or disagree with the statement of Syed Munawar Hassan. This is a purely a political matter and the Army should keep out of it. It is for the Government to arrest terrorist and not the job of USA. We should come out of USA's clutches and be an independent country. The relationship between USA and Pakistan is that of servant and master and this should end. Look at Iran. We should be a free nation.
@Pakistan Forever: You are taking this verse out of context. Don't just copy and paste Quranic verses willy nilly. That is misleading and totally incorrect, not to mention ignorant. The context of that specific verse was specific to a time of strife the Muslims faced during their exodus from Mecca to Medina. It was not a statement made to last eternity. You really must understand how dangerous and misleading it is to do what you have done. I hope you correct your ways and use wisdom to guide your actions in the future.
As for Hasan, that guy is a dumb wahabi.
Nobody spoke up when BB was remembered as 'Shaheed-e-Jamhooriat'.. No one criticized, no one took time to find definition of Shaheed in Sharia...why only now, when Pakistan's right wing party pronounced someone as 'Shaheed'..
@Rex Minor: Hmmm, so you say Pakistan Army is an occupation army in the autonomous Taliban land!!!! What ever happened to the SOVEREIGNTY of Pakistan we all hear about so often???? I recall that the Taliban talk about enforcing Sharia (among other things) in all of Pakistan, so you must consider all of Pakistan as "autonomous Taliban Land"!!!
If you want to save Janatislami,resign immediately.
@Arsalan Mujahid: Pakistan army is no more than an occupation army in the autonomous Talaban land similar to the Indian occupation army in Kashmir. Besides Munawa Hassan does not give the impression of being an illetrate if he is familiar with the language and the contents of the scriptures.
Rex Minor
Its a shame .... making a blunder and then defending it ... nothing but shame ... we lost 60000 lives to this menace and still JI calls them SHAHEED ... shame SHAME on everyone who voted for this party SHAME on everyone who is going to support this party in future
in pakistan every body who dies at the hands of their rival is a shaheed,whether he is a political activist ,religious scholar, etc etc.plz dont downgrade this SHAHEED word.
Munawar should get his head examined, he is getting senile. What would he call a ttp murderer killed by USA who previously killed one of his own family members? He should be stopped from heading a party.
@Ghostrider:
Soviets were American allies in WW2 and even though they were enemies during Cold war there was no direct warfare between America and Soviets - your Soviet martyr argument maybe popular but makes no sense.
Most of the comments on this issue take a stand for the military...however there are still many fools who think Munawar is correct...this is the biggest problem in Pakistan ???when part of the population actually supports the mass murderers who are attacking innocent civilians in the name of Islam???your confusion is apparent to the world...the sad fact is that your religious leaders would like to see the government fail and unfortunately your uneducated populous is following them down the road to destruction of your country....Note...this is the same problem they are dealing with in Egypt...are the people on the side of the mullahs or the government?...
@ayub khan:
None, since both have promised to be muslims and to follow the tenets of Islam in their lives. Therefore, the decision of whether they are the muslims will be decided by God the most powerful and the all knowing. In other words no mortal is in a position to approve or certify the muslimhood of the individual. Have a nice day.
Rex Minor
What if those killing the innocent Pakistani citzens in the name of fighting the Great Devil were Shias or God forbid Ahmadis? Would we still call them our misguided stakeholders and their murders as maryrs with a footnote Allah knows the best. Bigotry trumps the common sense in Pakistan
As a Muslim, I totally endorse Munawar Hassan. Plz don't be bullied by people holding guns. Allah's slave is never afraid of death.
This is realy confusing, both sound legit
@Saqib Hussain:
Most of the people who end up in army service are usualy less educated, less intelligent and are trained to accept orders which are being given without questionng them.
Rex Minor
in my point of statement of syed munwar hassan is correct... he is man of words....
@Irfan:
You said it; let the army leave the interpretation of the religion to the clergy and let the religious scholars refrain from making ad hoc statements based on politics. it is time that they issue a fatwa on the performance of the Government and the army hierarchy in terms of the resistance against those whe are waging the 21st century crusade.
Rex Minor
Loving this rift between Military and Mullahs who've been in bed for so long. Hope Jihadi Army and Fundoo Mullahs "sort it out" among themselves so that rest of Pakistan can live in a peaceful, stable, liberal, modern democracy without the baggage of false history and phony Islam.
He is by far the biggest Master Debator in the history of Pakistan
What army has spoken is NOT politics but a response to hostile propaganda war in a 4thGW against Pakistan, where army is attacked in media.
@Aysha M: I wish you did (mention MQM, why not). You should have mentioned MQM and the wisdom of its leadership to see this 'gang of mullahs' for what they are, a bunch of self-serving egomaniacs who abuse our religion by misinterpreting it and creating their brand of 'truth' and thus misguiding the simpletons among us. I wish you had highlighted the courage of MQM to talk about this gang and mobilizing public recognition and finally rejection of this poisonous concoction of 'politics-self interest-religion'.
Grow up People and stop saying rubbish to the Pakistan Army
They have always stood up for our country
The CULPRITS are the politicians (Like Mr.Munawar) who said himself that who is Altaf Hussain to give the certificate of Shaheed to anyone and now see who is giving certificates of Shahadat
I wanted to share a story with you all
there was a Guy (with a poor family, i think there family spent everything they had for him to become a doctor) in the Dow Medical of IJT (Islami Jamiat Talba) and was murdered by a rival party and what the Jamities did, they wrote on the wall ("AE Shaheed Tere khoon Rung layein gai)
So you know how these people are..
@SK: But you are not a Nation, sir!
Rex Minor
Mr. Munawar opinion does have weight..........Unfortunately, PAKISTANIS like to define ISLAM for their own benefit. The fact is no one can define who is shaheed except for ALLAH (Certainly fighting for the land and ego and killing innocent as retribution or blind revenge with collateral damage does not constitute shaheed).
Interestingly, Every PAKISTANI believe that a dead politician (the most corrupt of PAKISTANI society - by all means) is always a shaheed.
@Asad: you are partially right US is not protecting its homeland and not facing reaction from taliban like pakistan.. So dont really know why US is there but pakistani soldiers there to protect its citizens from being slaughtered.. These parties support peace deal in swat then what happened in taliban controlled area basic human rights violated..
@mohsin:
The back sheeps are the higher ups who got us Into americas war! For money
@goldconsumer:
Are you serious? The USSR Invaded just like america. How can you contrast the two.
If the soviet jihad was jihad, then this is also jihad. Its the same thing.
@Ali Abbasi:
Uneducated drivel? He has 2 masters degrees, thats 2 more than you I bet.
@Hasan Mehmood:
Clever but not Clever enough.
If our govt werent In bed with the american invasion force the taliban wouldnt be a problem.
Pak army is on the wrong side of the 2nd afghan jihad by siding against the taliban.
I have a humble request from all political leaders; please don’t use your Faith as tool to project your sick minded ideas and self ego. Just think as a human being: who is right and who is wrong? what a great job has been done by Bangladesh while banning on this religious political party and the same things should be practiced in Pakistan if we have to protect our young generation form their toxicity.
Americans bombed Afghanistan while using the airbases of Pakistan. NATO supply lines that carry arms and ammunition besides food stuff pass through Pakistan and are used against the Muslims of Afghanistan. Pakistan's ISI provides the homing beacons for the drones to hit targets in North and South Waziristan. Pakistan Army has handed over scores of people to the Americans without investigating them. When the chairman of any institute including WAPDA and others got retired, he is never given a job in any other institute including Pakistan army, but what is when Pakistan army general gets retired he gets appointment in rest of the institutes.
What is the contribution of Pakistan army in saving Pakistan. Since the creation of Pakistan this army has never been able to liberate even an inch of its motherland from the Indian custody. They occupy all key positions and beautiful places inside Pakistan. They are involved in the making of our strategic decisions and foreign policy.
I shall call only those Pakistan soldiers as Shaheed who fought against US and were died.
@Areebah Shahid:
His previous actions are irrelevant. He was killed by an american drone strike. That is martyrdom. All his previous sins are forgiven except debts even though you may disapprove.
No pakistani soldier is shaheed when fighting americas war.
@Arsalan Mujahid:
You just expose your own ignorance calling a double masters degree holder illiterate.
He has a masters in sociology and islamic history.
Which is 2 more than you I bet.
The killing of ANY Muslim is a great loss for the Ummah.Any Muslim dying for Islam is a Martyr.....now can anyone tell me who are the real Muslims,the Taliban's or the Pakistani army?
@choclet:
Im sorry did all that make his point invalid?
Silly me, I mistakenly thought we were in the real world where arguments were supposed to be related to the topic.
@HS: yah i suspect the same about Ayesha M , BTW what is wrong in supporting MQM i am also an ardent supporter of this liberal . progressive , multi faith pluralistic in approach and above all ethnic , gender or religious bias , i beliveing on merit and ability and shuns hereditry poltics , i pray more and more people support MQM , remember the best years karachi enjoyed after 1971 , is Mustafa Kamal period .
@Ali:
Muslims killed by non muslims american invaders and their allies are shaheed whether you like it or not.
Hitler committed suicide. Your way off base.
Pak is complicit against the mujahideen.
Terrorism is irrelevant. This is a legal question. Who killed whom under what circumstance
Ban JI and all religious political parties. These people are disgrace to Islam and pakistan
@ Hari Om : “The Pakistan Army has badly erred by selection of the motto “Iman, Taqwa, Jihad Fi Sabilillah” or translated “Faith, Piety, Jihad In The Path Of Allah”.”
Incredibly ironic that the Pakistan Army’s motto structured to nurture Islamic sentiment to fight the “Kaafirs” of India is now being used to delegitimize the Pakistan Army’s campaign against Islamic extremists! The phrase “Hoist by ones own petard” comes readily to mind.
ask this hypocrite did he or any top leader of the jamaat, or any religious party ever thought of sending their well fed sons to fight along with the talibans? n how many have like minded close relatives in US and europe - living on welfare?
@ Asad -
Manawar Hassan is cleverly confusing the thing.... he talk of US soldiers and then talk of Pakistani soldiers....
US soldiers are occupation forces in Afghanistan and Afghan Talibans are doing Jihad against them.....
Pak Army is within the boundaries of Pakistan and TTP are attacking Pakistani people and Pak Army...
Who is TTP... they are extension of CIA and RAW.... TTP leaders often go to Afghanistan... not for fighting .. but meeting their CIA and RAW handlers and then they have fun with war lords of Karzai regime.. then they come back and kill common people and security forces personnels in Pakistan..
How come Munawar Hassan is right...... he is an illiterate man...
We salute you Munwar Hasan. Your words are not random like Altaf Husain. All Pakistanis are with you and in your press conference; it is 100% clear that you people are always fight for beloved Pakistan
It's strange paradox if Afghanistan allow US and other countries to impose war against us then what we'll say? Yes it's Jamaat e Islami who's leaders are facing death penalties because of Supporting this Cruel Army. Yes, It's an interesting fact that under the coward Army ruler, Aafia Sidiqi handed over to Americans.
Why so many of you have your tails on fire? Very funny. Nothing extraordinary from a jihadi society. Pak Army's mottos are religiously motivated. You don't have a conventional nation state like other countries. These are natural outcomes.
Agree with JI Statement army should not interfere in politics they have to keep themselves in border not in Federal or Provincial Government interest.
@Irfan: If everything is to be decided by Allah only why then a Law in the land Not even Sharia. Select narrative is used for vested interest at times. Confused lot.
So many comments supporting Munawar Hassan's statement are disturbing to say the least. By endorsing Munawar Hassan we are in fact saying that over 40,000 Pakistanis who persihed in the terrorist attacks are scoundrals while the killers - who have bombed our children, our houses, our people; who have slaughtered human beings like cows and goats; who have brought war and destruction on us - are the true torch bearers of Islam?! Senseless!
@Ali: {need some sensible reply to MH’s arguement, not an emotional one but a rational one}
Ok let me try in simple words. Munawar Hasan claimed that if Americans dying at the hands of Taliban are not shaheed then the shahadat of Pak Army jawans dying at the hands of Taliban also becomes questionable. VERY GOOD ARGUMENT except Americans are an occupying force and Afghan Taliban are major component of national resistance. TTP on the other hand is openly challenging a genuinely elected GOVT and aims to topple it with terror and anarchy and a vast majority of its victims have no connection with GOVT or security forces. However if Pak Army jawans died fighting alongside USA / NATO forces against Afghan liberation forces, you could question their Shahadat. Please also bear in mind that if Pak Army was collaborating with USA, it would have attacked Haqqani network inside its borders for which there is severe pressure. Why we ain't doing that? Because Haqqanis are Afghan war focused and are not carrying out bomb blasts, killing men women and children besides slaughtering captive soldiers in Pakistan. MH is a master of double speak / deception and unfortunately people like you are easily fooled. MH has tried to paint TTP as anti imperialist force whose only accomplishment is a failed attack in USA and facilitating the killing of half a dozen CIA operatives. However the innocent Pakistani victims of their self confessed attacks runs in tens of thousands. Hope your mind will be clear now.
@Rex Minor: Yes i meant the one fought against USSR by the Americans using Pakistan and other Muslim countries. The one Charlie Wilson was so passionate about. What ever you prefer to call it
Hey States! We got new target for your drone!
This time i will agree with JI.
pakistan Forever....what about Jamat-e-Islami who took money from CIA weapons from Isreal during so called jehad in Afghanistan during Zia time
A-o-A
Everyone, I have seen the comments, almost all of them.. did not find the answer of His question,
Answer his simple question,
If a man is at fault, on an act, how can be the man supporting that man is an innocent?
Do not be afraid to face the reality.
Nothing is perfect in this world, and this statement stands true for ARMY as well.
as FAR as Munawar Hassan is concerned, he can not be a "hypocrite", thats his fault, he should be the leader of Hyporites, he should resign from JI
Its a logical conclusion. Hats off to Munawar sb for stating the obvious. No one said that Pak Army is not loyal to Pakistan. But this is a paid war, how can there be martyrs??
I am sure they'll reach an agreement soon- one way or another. Maududi's teachings are already a convergence point.
Jamat-e-islami was always supported by Army and agencies...now has become big monster..now it is showing its true color
This is a significant shift in JI's political philosophy. For almost 25 years, JI has been a pro-taliban and pro-military party. It suited it well until both taliban and military were on the same page. However, post 2006, the divergence between military and taliban started to occur. Now Munawar Hassan's statement has forced JI to pick side and they picked taliban. Yet, and Yet! this is not an exogenous development. Today one of the newspieces by Hamid Meer claimed that ISI jumped into the curcial phase of negotiations despite TTP's condition for no involvement of army or intelligentsia in the negotiation process. This might have angered the JI leadership, forcing such a statement from Munawar Hassan. Now even the call for "an end to Military involvement in Political matters" points finger in similar direction.
Whether we like it or not, according to all cannons of law mr. munawar has a right to his opinion both as an individual as well as a leader of a political party. the constitution does not stop him from expressing his views on any matter and neither does Sharia law or western liberal laws. Indeed, the statement isn't made in good taste considering the entire Pakistani society is riven apart by political differences. this is a result of the wrong policies that successive governments have followed over the years, polarizing the people. So much so that within Pakistan it seems one man's terrorist is being praised as another's freedom fighter. We need to end this senseless fighting on all borders and within Pakistan and go back to the basic premise of providing peace to the people. Only in peace would reasonable discussion prevail, law abided and people could be convinced of what is right.
Ishq Qatil Seih Bhee, Maqtool Se Hamdardi Bhee Yeih Bataa Kis Se Muhabbat Ki Jazaa Maangay Ga Sajdaa Khaliq Ko Bhee Iblees Se Yaarana Bhee Hashr Mein Kis Se Aqeedat Ka Sila Maangay Ga Allama Iqbal If Imran Khan does'nt share Munawwar Hassan views, will he break the coalition with JI in KP in protest?
I'm no JI supporter, but if reviewed with a cool head, really I see no contradiction in the logic presented by the JI chief. If a US army soldier killed in battle is not not a martyr, how can its supporter be one?
Honestly, that's very simple logic? Anyone with a better logic should come forward. No emotions please.
Note: This comment means no disrespect for the loved ones of the killed on both sides of this battle.
Munawar Hassan is cent per cent right. In Pakistan the use of the word 'Shaheed' has become a joke. even if someone crossing the road is killed, he is called a shaheed. worst is that people who die due to political rivalry or worldly conflicts are also called shaheeds by their parties. According to Islam a Shaheed is one who dies for the cause of Islam, in the way of Allah. Also a person (muslim) who dies by getting burnt by fire, drowned in water or dies of plague are also shaheeds according to Islam. Apart from that, no one is a shaheed be they soldiers fighting for land, police fighting criminals or political workers fighting with rival parties. They can be honoured, but they cannot be called Shaheeds.
@waseem sarwar: if mqm cannot be banned, why should JI?
so our very Pak army is not happy at not being called martyrs by munawar hassan...i wish they weren't happy when they trained these strategic assets back in the 80s and 90s with funding from their masters and weren't happy to wipe out their strategic assets again on their master's command and hadn't made Pakistan a ticking time bomb by becoming a NATO weapon depot...its called tit for tat in simple English...alas only poor soldiers die while generals play golf and do real estate business!
the conservatives are at crossroads!!who to support!maulvis or army??haha!im enjoying
The farm house where Mehsud got killed was within one km of army's base HQ. Mehsud was living with his two wives and children in this farm-house. He used to leave this place early morning and come back after sunset to avoid detection and the same was known to the locals who presumed that it was a safe place being close to military HQ. But not the military who was stationed next door did not know the whereabouts of its biggest enemy and the situation is similar to OBL case which military needs to explain. ET please do not block this comment.
As a PTI supporter i request my party to immediately distance itself from JI for good. Otherwise they are just going to lose support of many like me.
I came accross this on islamhelpline, Thought everyone should read this:- " It is really an insignificant matter whether or not one who is a ‘shaheed’ is recognized or called a martyr by the believers or his loved ones on this earth….what is of paramount importance is that one is recognized and honored as a ‘shaheed’ in the Sight of Allah on the Day of Judgment! And rest absolutely assured that it is Allah Subhanah Alone Who Will Decide, Determine and honor who amongst those whose lives were taken on this earth were true ‘martyrs’ in His Cause, and who weren’t.
It is possible that one whom the whole world recognizes as a ‘shaheed’ is not declared a martyr in the Sight of Allah Subhanah, and one whose death and sacrifice went absolutely unnoticed and uncelebrated in the world receives the ultimate honor of being recognized as a true ‘martyr’ in the Presence of the All-Knowing Lord Most Majestic. "
...so please let us not waist our time on this debate anymore.Lets move on!
need some sensible reply to MH's arguement, not an emotional one but a rational one
send him to Bangladesh!!!
@goldconsumer:
First Afghan war funded by USA?
Rex Minor
I endorse Pak Army's stance in this matter except on one point where they have praised Maududi's services to Islam.Maududi was deadly against the creation of Pakistan.He used to abuse Quiad e Azam and other great Muslim leaders who were striving to create a separate Country for the Muslims of sub continent.Well, this cannot be termed as service to Islam.@Aysha M:
Then Karachi will continue to experience the carnage that it has in the past 3 decades. There is no glory in violence and those religious priests and clergy encourage Pakistan army carnage against muslim citizens must lead the army upfront and not from their mosques, as was the custom in ancient times.
Rex Minor
Na-Pak Army Zinabad
They (JI) are short of $$$$$$........
If there ever was a snake in human guise, this is it.
The chicken is coming home to roost. Now the Fox and Jackal are trying to outfox each other and prove their credentials as true Muslims, country be damned. Many more innocent lives will be lost before the debate of who is good terrorist / bad terrorist, good Muslim / bad Muslim, good Shaheed / bad Shaheed is resolved. With the number of Guns legal and illegal in circulation and the inclination of the Faithful to use them at the drop of a hat to seal an argument -- fireworks can erupt any time. One would have thought the killing of over 50,000 citizens over a decade by fellow Muslims would have sealed the decision of who is a terrorist, sad that a confused nation not used to rational thinking is sinking further into Quicksand. Pity no one had the foresight to understand that marriage to any Ideology has never ended in anything other than a violent destruction. May Allah's will prevail !
@Dr. Abu Turab Alam: Who is Munawar hassan---custodian of sharia law or a leader of a political party? Most of us do not consider his interpretation of sharia right and logical so he should stop imposing salafi ideology.
Our Army Killed 1500 people in Lal masjid, Our Army thrown many publicly elected governments, our Army Hanged Mr Bhutoo..So called Shaheed,Our army killed many MQM Terrorists in Karachi and got some Armymen on Shaheed list, though MQM Terrorist also on Shaheed list, And now In KPK our Army is killing its own countrymen and previous friends in Afghan war on the direction of America and dollars from saudia......List goes on...its all killings for killings
Tehreek e taliban are in the same category as the Mukti Bahini in 1971. They are traitors to Pakistan. If actiion was justified against the Mukti Bahini, then it is justified against the Taliban now. Jamaat e Islami must join in the fight against these anti-state terrorists without reservation.
Principally, Mr. Munwar Hassan said right. He does not need to apologize to the nation but instead our leaders and Army should apologize to the nation for fighting a war which does not belong to Pakistan.
@SM ZAKI: So Mr. Zaki, everyone in the world should apologise except your infallible Leader Munawar Hasan. I think all Jamati's should get a grip over themselves and try to understand why people are rejecting them in Pakistan lest they start face a Bangladesh like future (quite rightly too) in Pakistan as well. We won't tolerate the supporters of suicide bombers and mosque attackers for long.
This is the time to show solidarity with PAK ARMY to root out the terrorists.
Either Mullah/Taliban/Tyranny/Terrorism or Equality/Peace/Tolerance/Non-violence/Country. Choose your pick. The Country and Powerful Mullah cant survive together. They need to be reduced to what they always were. " A bunch of uneducated dumb people, good only for blasting in loudspeakers there sermons of hate, which no one pays attention to". Any more value than that and they start jumping on your adam's apple. ( i didnt want to use the word, 'adam apple', but thats the best 'appropriate' word i can come up with).
Please note that 70% of KP's decelopement budget comes from US aid. So JI and PTIs postures of facing up to US are just a drama
@MAD: Very true said.. but media wants to improve its rating by shedding lights on these unnecessary events
@HS: Am I? Did I mention MQM in my comments above
@waseem sarwar No we can't sir. Otherwise we have to do the same to some spoiled babies as well. Those who said the creation of Pakistan was the biggest blunder in the history of Subcontinent. Those who threaten to separate Karachi from Pakistan if their mandate is not honoured. Those who write to the British requesting the disbandment of ISI.
Yes all of those were personal opionins, take Munawwar Hassan's statements as such & dont create a fuss out of it. In my opinion ISPR didn't do a wise thing by responding to such childish statements.
@SM ZAKI: Media wants only money by taking commercials for their talk show ratings... they want issues like this... they are performing as per the money given to them by USA
"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. And whoso among you takes them for friends is indeed one of them. Verily, Allah guides not the unjust people." Hats off for Syed Munawar Hassan.
@Zaka: Those politial parties taking side of army are the ones who enjoyed govt during army rule .... and also are seeking the opportunity to make USA happy .. These parties even in past has supported Qadianis.. have spoken against namoos-e-risalat.... They want next govt. by pleasing USA
@Aysha M: You are very pro MQM aren't you? :p
Based on this logic, we fought the first Afghan war. This was the kind of jihad fucded by the USA. It was first of its kind of jihad totally funded and armed by a non muslim state. Should we call that war, a jijhad and the people whoi died fighting, as martyrs? We chosse to have our own definition of everything and anything that suits us at that time. May Allah guide us and give us leaders with sense and sensibility along with some credibility!
The Pakistan Army has badly erred by selection of the motto “Iman, Taqwa, Jihad Fi Sabilillah” or translated “Faith, Piety, Jihad In The Path Of Allah”. By using Islam to motivate its troops to fight, the Pakistan Army has conditioned its own troops to be demotivated by opponents using Islamic tenets.
I have two separate views on this. As far as JI is concerned the party should distance itself from Munawar Hassans. The JI Amir should quite frankly apologize for hurting nations sentiments and should also resign from his position and terminate his political career. ideally that is the least JI should do.
However my view on ISPR is simply that I dont think they have the right to demand an apology from anyone over statements. It makes it look like that Army is over and above the political leadership. I have great respect for the Military and personally found Munawar Hassans remarks to be wrong but yes everyone should stay within their constitutional limits.
In the end I would like to say that surely the media and the people of Pakistan have better things to do than to discuss definition of Shaheed. Particularly at a sensitive time where Pakistan faces multiple insurgencies, cross border threats and economic/ political instability. This episode has only served as an unnecessary distraction.
From 1950s on JI was doing Americas bidding in Pakistan, they even took US help against Bhutto in 1977 and now Americans are the enemies?
The people of Pakistan already gave their verdict against this party during General Elections...
IK as tey are in coalition with you in KP so please open 02 offices instead of one :P
@M. Emad:
It was wrong of Maudidi at the time to make statements in approval of violence and it will be wrong of any one from his set up to follow suit.And if the pakistan army PR persist, the Islamic scholars will have no alternative but to issue a fatwa against the military commanders who order violence against muslims!! Though shall not kill is Gods commandment, the rest is a political diversion.
Rex Minor
All the strategic assets leaving Pak army one by one.
I dont recall any instance in recent history where a Pakistani politician has tendered unconditional (or conditional for that matter) appology for any slip of tounge, blunder etc.
These things are taken as a matter of ego and all sort of justifications would be provided to paint the wrong as right!
Two thumbs up for Munawwar Hassan. A martyr cannot be a paid killer as in the case of army or political armed wings. That's the same army who created talibans and many of the bloodsucking political parties they are fighting for a decade/
Bravo Munawar Hassan!!! You are the only man speaking truth. If a non muslim army is occupying a muslim land, the sharia is clear on this part. The occupier non muslim soildiers cannot be called shuhuda if they die in the battle field according to the islamic law. Also, if any other army or militia (even though it is a muslim army or militia) is being supported the occupier non muslim army or supports the non muslim army, then even though being muslims they cannot be called shuhuda. If Pakistan calls itself an Islamic state, then they cannot deny this fact.
The Ji leader has created an other fitna by giving a verdict.this reflects the mind set of JI leader to divert the people in a non issue and demoralizing the people fighting the terrorists.if some body thinks this is american war he is totally wrong.the TTP is totally anti pakistan and their all activities are directed against pakistan.
In response to ISPR statement Munawwar Hassan has clearly said PONKA!!!! Can someone please ask army to negotiate with Jamatis too.
In response to ISPR statement Munawwar Hassan has clearly said PONKA!!!! Can someone please ask army to negotiate with Jamatis too.
I don't know.. as an Indian my opinion might draw some flak from across the border.. But I feel for the pak army here. And as an army head/institution which safeguards country's security will fall short of morale confidence by this kind of statements from certain politicians. Pakistan should not compromise on this aspect at all. If this guy is left alone then tomorrow few other will jump with some other comments. You can not be a player in this volatile region as a country however strong your army is. There should be some censorship over damaging statements on National security/policy. Either media should not make a 24/7 topic out of it.. Or make this guy to apologize.
Hope this will pass the scrutiny by ET mods.
According to Sharia Law Syed Munawar Hassan is correct.
Then what do we call the innocent people killed by the (JI labelled martyrs), infidels? In case of the 1971 war there was chaos, attrocities were committed by both sides. Those who did these cannot be called martyrs or ghazis. However those paki soldiers who fought or died for the country are surely martyrs and ghazis.
[5:52] O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. And whoso among you takes them for friends is indeed one of them. Verily, Allah guides not the unjust people.
No matter If Hakeem Ullah Mehsud was a martyr or not... I blindly believe in army, and JI chief must apologize. Army no doubt is one of the strongest pillar of this weak state.
Army should also apologise for east pak surrender, supporting corrupt politicians through out country's history and getting involved in other countries affairs. MQM and ANP should also apologise for killing thousands of people in Karachi. PPP should also apologise for not only breaking pakistan, looting national wealth but also backing Lyari terrorists. And last but not the least. PML-N should also apologise for its corruption, swallowing up natioal wealth and cowardice of its leaders. As far as media is concerned it should also mend its ways by pointing out its blacksheep, tax evaders and blackmailers.
Pakistan Army seems confused about the 'Sharia' definition of 'Shaheed (martyr)' [as explained by Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) ex-chief Maulana Maududi and current ameer Syed Munawar Hassan]. During 1971 East Pakistan (Bangladesh) genocide period, Pakistan Army partner JI practically applied their jihadi ideology. JI termed Genocidal Army members as 'Gazi / Shaheed'. JI never changed their stance.
For above reason Jamaat-e-Islami current ameer Syed Munawar Hassan now can claim that his recent 'statement regarding the Pakistan Army is correct according to Sharia Law'.
The JI and Munawar Hasan seem clear in their stand - anti state . Now the ball is in the army / governments court...........lets hope they don't resort to vacillating and double speak so as to muddy the issue and then let it die.
Good, I need more like this, so that we can recognize black sheep among us.
By attire, look and affiliation to a religo-political group, Syed Munawar Hassan comes across as a pious Muslim who is knowledgeable about Islam and as such his comment that executed terrorist Hakimullah Mehsud is a “martyr” while members of the Pakistan Military were not martyrs, will not be easily dismissible in a polity as saturated with Islam as Pakistan is.
So why are you still on this infidel land? Please leave us infidels alone Sir. You are way too pure for us.
So bottomline, now all the Soviets who died fighting america are martyrs because in those days US was holy to JI. Just a reminder Munawar Sahab, you have put final nail in the coffin of JI as a political party.
So the Afghans and Muslims that fought alongside the Americans against the Russians in the 80s were not shaheed either? Get your act together Munawar.
Can't we just ban them? Anyone?
To trivialize the sacrifices made by the Pak Army tantamounts to subversion of the constitution of Pakistan.
JI nothing but a bane of our political landscape, the people of Karachi rejected them some 3 decades ago and stand firm in their resolve to keep them out