Hating Pakistan

Published: February 1, 2013

A mini scandal erupted recently as we learnt that the Pakistan’s women’s cricket team, in India to participate in the World Cup, has been housed not in a five-star hotel like other teams participating in the tournament, but in the clubhouse on the Barabati stadium grounds in Cuttack, in the state of Orissa. The authorities in charge of the tournament said that this was a security measure in the face of right-wing protests against Pakistan’s presence in the tournament. Sequestering the team in the stadium itself meant less travel time for the team, which reduced their exposure to any protests or violence during their commute to and from a hotel.

Prior to the tournament, all matches of the Pakistan team were shifted from Mumbai to Cuttack in Orissa, east India, in order to escape the worst of the backlash against the team’s presence. The housing of the team in the clubhouse instead of a more luxurious hotel is being seen by some as a message to Pakistan: if you misbehave with us, we will treat you equally miserably.

The manager of the team, Ayesha Ashar, said that the team was happy with the accommodation, a very diplomatic comment, given that the team is in India and has yet to play its matches. Expressing unhappiness with the decision would probably cause them a lot more grief in the headlines and from the right-wing kooks who think sports teams are the same as terrorists.

There are people who are saying the entire team should be called back and Pakistan should not compete in matches in India. A lot of bitterness has been expressed on Twitter about the seemingly unfair treatment of the Pakistani team. It is ironic, however, that in their determination to keep going, the players are demonstrating more grace and dignity, and proving that they are stronger and hardier, than most government entourages who insist upon five-star treatment and perks whenever they go abroad on their bloated international tours and missions.

This leads to a more important question: do Pakistanis and Indians really want peace with each other? The sentiment in Pakistan seems to be that we Pakistanis keep making concessions in the search for friendship and better relations with India, but India does not seem to be responding in kind. Instead, they keep raising the bar for us and making it difficult for Pakistanis who travel to India. Take the example of the authors who went to Jaipur for the literary festival; their presence was protested by the RSS too. In the face of so much negativity, why should Pakistan bother to keep extending the olive branch?

The Indians, too, feel bitter about Pakistan. They see us as hypocrites: on the surface, willing to make overtures of friendship and peace, but unofficially still supporting anti-India terrorists in Kashmir and elsewhere in India. There is still so much bitterness about what happened at Partition, in the wars between India and Pakistan, in the Mumbai attacks. Sometimes it seems as though India has never forgiven Pakistan for wanting to break away and become its own country. How dare you, the unspoken line seems to be, how dare you break the territorial integrity of India, cause the death of millions during Partition, fight wars against us, support terrorists against us? Who do you think you are?

Anti-Pakistan and anti-Muslim attitudes are capturing a lot of headlines at the moment, with actor Shahrukh Khan (SRK) talking about how even he is mistreated because of his religion. This has led to a flurry of tit-for-tat statements across the border, with Hafiz Saeed offering ‘protection’ to SRK. These ridiculous games aside, it strikes me that India still wants a measure of subservience from Pakistan, who it feels has not acted maturely enough to warrant the equal status that Pakistan demands from its larger neighbour.

The anti-India, anti-Pakistan rhetoric is ever-present; it never runs out of fuel. The ‘unfair’ treatment of the Pakistan women’s cricket team is problematic in itself, but it has thrown into sharp relief the lines of division between India and Pakistan. And instead of healing, they seem to be festering, still infected with the poison of hatred and mistrust. We’ve been trying to medicate these wounds for years, but we’ve never really treated the disease that lies beneath the symptoms. I wonder how long it will be before another amputation will be deemed necessary to save both the patients.

Published in The Express Tribune, February 1st, 2013.

Reader Comments (125)

  • Ravi
    Feb 1, 2013 - 2:08PM

    Why cant the author say a word about the reasons for reaction from Indian side.

    The govt has taken right decision to accomodate the team in the club house.

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  • Foreign Leg
    Feb 1, 2013 - 2:26PM

    There is still so much bitterness about what happened at Partition, in the wars between India and Pakistan, in the Mumbai attacks
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    I have said it before and I will say it again. Pakistan just does not get it — We Indians can never forget the Mumbai attacks until its perpetrators in Pakistan are brought to justice.
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    Partition is water under the bridge, the wars were fought by professional soldiers even though Pakistan was the instigator in all four incidents, but the Mumbai attacks have hurt the psyche of a nation at a whole another level. Why did the Muslim boy waiting at the railway station to go to U.P. deserve his parents to be gunned down?

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  • Sinclair
    Feb 1, 2013 - 2:42PM

    Are you calling for a second partition?

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  • Sanjay
    Feb 1, 2013 - 2:50PM

    Hey Pakistanis, You just dont get it!! No one cares about Pakistan in India. No one cares about what happened in 47 – most of us were not even there then. Its just a piece of history for us, which we have accpted as much as the Mughal or the British Rule – just an Inevitable historical fact. We cant continue to live in the past if we have to meet the new and bright future that awaits us. We dont even know that Pak is trying to be ‘equals’ to India. For what? Anyway, good luck with that. Bottomline, we just dont think of Pakistan at all except when it needles us for all the wrong reasons. Honest advise – Just dont be so focussed on us. We dont even notice you let alone be bothered about your status vis-a-vis India or any other nation on this planet. This is not to offend you guys but to just make you aware of what India really thinks.Accept it and move on… continiue to exist but without needling the other peaceful nations unnecessarily.

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  • uzma ausaf
    Feb 1, 2013 - 3:12PM

    Thought provoking article !!! should be read and pondered upon by those who constsntly wave AMAN KI AASHA towards a nation which is still in a state of denial over our existence.Recommend

  • abhi
    Feb 1, 2013 - 3:25PM

    There is no mention of loc incidence, Kargil intrusion and Parliament attack? While you have well listed the non availability of 5 star hotel for pak women team as one of the main reason why the two contries cannot be at peace with each other.

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  • uzma ausaf
    Feb 1, 2013 - 3:27PM

    Thanks Sanjay for sharing your feelings!!! makes the article even more spot on……

    Most Pakistanis don’t notice India’s existence until & unless both nations play a cricket match or they watch one of your absurd item songs. I feel sorry for what your nation has to do to prove yourself to he rest of the world!!!! what a talent!!!!

    InshaAllah we will continue to exist and needle you Indians!!

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  • BlackJack
    Feb 1, 2013 - 3:35PM

    India’s definition of peace: Do nothing to harm Pakistan. Pakistan should do nothing that harms India.
    Pakistan’s definition of peace: India needs to continuously acknowledge steps that Pakistan takes and be visibly grateful, regardless of any provocation that occurs simultaneously. Pakistan will continue to imagine that reciprocating on the MFN is the ultimate testament to their heartfelt desire for peace, while they continue to preach hatred for Hindus from their pulpits and in their text books. They have Pak Hindus fleeing for their lives to India but their Interior Minister is more worried about an Indian multi-millionaire in Bombay.

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  • Feb 1, 2013 - 3:42PM

    India hates Pakistan, like it hates its Politicians.

    It would abuse the politicians, but after 5 years has to vote for one. India also votes for Pakistanis, but when events like Mumbai attacks or Kargil or Infiltration happens, it becomes a part of subconscious to hate the perpetrator(can you blame us!).

    India sends its Politicians to jail for indulging in massive crime(2G scam) or punishes mis-governance by not voting for them. India is stuck with Pakistan and its shenanigans.

    But, this hate is not pushed into the brain using text books or movies or Government. Pakistan is itself to blame for teaching Indians to hate.

    After Vajpayee brings forward the hand of friendship and takes an epic journey to Lahore, within months Pakistanis breach the LoC and try to wage war on India.

    If Pakistanis stop reminding Indians about its existence by not pushing Terrorists into India or not waging war against it, I promise you India will forget about Pakistan. We are a self-obsessed people, busy being Indian – Watching masala movies, dreaming about a better future, praising Tendulkar, bad mouthing Politicians, looking for jobs in the IT industry,etc.

    Pakistan has itself to blame for Indians hating them.

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  • Feb 1, 2013 - 5:10PM

    @Sanjay: Same story here bro. No body cares about India seriously.

    India must be the favourite topic of Army but for ordinary people of Pakistan… not at all. During the recent flare up at LOC when the whole of India was up in arms, the topics of discussion in Pakistan were 1 – Tahir ul Qadri 2) Governors Rule in Balochistan 3) Karachi 4) CNG and then India somewhere. I am not even trying to be satirical or mocking your comment. Its a fact.

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  • polpot
    Feb 1, 2013 - 5:15PM

    ” The sentiment in Pakistan seems to be that we Pakistanis keep making concessions in the search for friendship and better relations with India, but India does not seem to be responding in kind. ”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    True concessions like the 10 Pakistanis that landed at Mumbai uninvited.
    Luckily for you Indians did not reciprocate.

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  • Tony Singh
    Feb 1, 2013 - 5:26PM

    @uzma ausaf:
    How self contridictary you can be. On one hand you say you do not acknowledge Indian existance and on the other you say you will continue to needle it. You have to acknowledge the existance to needle it!!

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  • uzma ausaf
    Feb 1, 2013 - 5:27PM

    It’s an eye opener for those who sing Amn Ki Aasha melodiously & try to assert that two nations are actually one , only separated by Loc…..you can hear them chanting ” we look alike, our culture, traditions, celebrations etc etc are same ” & so on.
    such peole should try to live there and then share their experience.

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  • Murali
    Feb 1, 2013 - 5:27PM

    @uzma ausaf:
    you have nothing to take pride off.
    in that case needle tricks are the ones you wish to show off and no one is going to stop you.
    it will be ages when you look back

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  • Tony Singh
    Feb 1, 2013 - 5:28PM

    The author should read the article on Musharraf published in this newspaper to understand why India “hates” Pakistan.

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  • Cynical
    Feb 1, 2013 - 5:33PM

    @ Sanjay

    Yeah sure you dont care about Pakistan. Thats why you are reading and commenting on articles on a Pakistani news site right?!

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  • Alexander
    Feb 1, 2013 - 5:39PM

    This “fair treatment” will never end until Pakistan behaves like a secular society. yes thats real problem. Do not expect India to treat a religious society on par with a secular society. This enormous gap in understanding the difference is long lost on Pakistan media and authors like above. Why do we blame the poor guy on street? It is ridiculuous for Pakistan to expect equal treatment. On what basis you guys think you are better off than a bangladeshi or srilankan? Until Pakistan lets go of its religious colors, this will keep going. Should the author be reminded of the list of majority sunni terrorist attacks on minorites, hindus and christians and ahmadis JUST this 6 months? Please do compare and see if any south asian nation matches that “esteemed record” before asking for equal status.The real inferior feeling is catching on Pakistani side. When you use religion to ask for seperate status (in the disguise of being dominated when you have yourself dominated for centuries) and then use that religion to discriminate less than 10 % left over minorities, the outcome is a failed state! Thats where the true feelings of inferiority arise from and not from india actually doing so! Keep Hafiz Saeeds and Dawoods and Osamas as guests and expect the world to remind you where you stand in the world’s view! Why do you blame just india? Do you not care how the world looks at you? And you are so worried about SRK- a bollywood stars security!!!

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  • G. Din
    Feb 1, 2013 - 5:42PM

    @uzma ausaf:
    “InshaAllah we will continue to exist and needle you Indians!!”
    And, you shall continue to be swatted on the head until cracks in your own skull beg you to stop needling, for sure!
    ” Who do you think you are?”
    That says it all!

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  • Feroz
    Feb 1, 2013 - 5:49PM

    The smile is fake and the article shallow.

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  • Milestogo
    Feb 1, 2013 - 5:59PM

    Demanding own country and fighting wars is fine but why would you support terrorism?

    Is that a typo or you really wanted to say that you have a right to support terrorism the same way as you had a right to demand separate country?

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  • akash
    Feb 1, 2013 - 6:01PM

    @uzma Ausaf
    InshaAllah we will continue to exist and needle you Indians!!

    Well if this is the attitude ordinary Pakistanis have against India, then can we be blamed for being cautious and bitter.
    Give one example where Pakistan has not back stabbed India after its peace overtures. One example anyone??

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  • Shahbaz Khan
    Feb 1, 2013 - 6:35PM

    @Sanjay:
    Yes, yes. “No one cares about Pakistan in India” That is exactly why Indians troll Pakistani newspaper websites and leave dumb comments! And then keep coming back to “recommend” those comments! Too much time at your hands. India as a nation tends to behave like a jilted, hysterical woman desperate for her man’s attention while hopelessly pretending not to care.

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  • Aniket
    Feb 1, 2013 - 6:42PM

    As an Indian let me first apologize for the ungracious treatment of the Pakistani women’s cricket team. They have been very comfortably accommodated in the brand new clubhouse which is the equivalent of a 4-star hotel. But it still looks ungracious, though for their own security.

    Now, to your article. You are broadly right. After Partition, many Indians would ask, OK, you guys tore way from us, you didn’t want to live with Hindus, so now why do you care about relations with us? I am sure many Pakistanis and many Indians wish that the border could be made into a 100-foot high wall and that we have zero relations between us.

    But borders don’t change. So, despite the two-nation theory and despite Jinnah and despite Partition and the “Nazariati Sarhadein” of Pakistan, things have to move on. As Indians, we accept the existence and sovereignty of Pakistan, but we cannot accept the Two-Nation Theory or the logic of religious Partition. This is the origin of the “hate” that some in India feel toward Pakistan, even for secular people like myself. While we are trying to create, on the basis of our secular constitution, a more secular Indian society, here, across the border, is a reminder of the ultimate enemy of secularism, and the horrors on both sides of 1947. I don’t claim that this perspective is fair or objective, but it exists. That’s the fact.

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  • Indian
    Feb 1, 2013 - 6:43PM

    @uzma ausaf

    someone has said ” Pakistanis are pathological/congenital liars” . Indian gov should take extreme steps like blocking rivers and put conditions before MNCs . If you needle us , we will deal with you with daggers.

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  • kaalchakra
    Feb 1, 2013 - 6:47PM

    Well said Uzma Ausaf and Beena Shah.

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  • Naveen
    Feb 1, 2013 - 6:49PM

    @uzma ausaf:
    Indeed, please do continue to exist but take that ‘needling India’ part out of your narrative. India is no longer some fakir baba standing out in an open ground with its mouth wide open and pants around the ankles who if slapped/kicked-be it kargil style or Mumbai style, would surrender to mercy of attackers.

    However, I feel deeply sorry if you people think that Pakistan women cricketers or authors were not treated with due courtesy in India. Foreign guests/visitors ought to be treated with hospitality. This has been reported in our media but it was not as bad/pre planned conspiracy kind of thing as is being made out in your media (which is also yet to issue an apology to Indians for falsely accusing us of forcing one of your blind cricket team member to drink a soap solution, when it was actually a case of a wrong bottle being placed at table) . There were some bureaucratic red tapism and security issues this time. Nevertheless, my apologies.

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  • 2Cents
    Feb 1, 2013 - 6:50PM

    @Ms. Shah:
    Couple of things worth couple of pennies:
    1 st:
    ” A lot of bitterness has been expressed on Twitter about the seemingly unfair treatment of the Pakistani team”
    A lot is 7 or 17 or 7 Million. That is quite literary liberty. One (or I) can tell you exactly the number of messages posted to any #hashtag at any point in time. Pls don’t make up general statements and throw twitter/fb to justify your statement. Pls be specific.

    2 nd:
    “Pakistan seems to be that we Pakistanis keep making concessions in the search for friendship and better relations with India
    Again pls name a few and don’t give us that cliche about MFN. That has been mandatory and overdue for years; not that India is anxiously waiting for it. India does not need concessions. She needs sincerity and and action on 26/11.
    Peace Sis.

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  • mdz
    Feb 1, 2013 - 6:57PM

    @uzma , whatever needles that you have been using they have turned inwards , India had the courage and resolve to handle that and lets see whether Pure land has the guts to handle its own needles needling you ..or probably it will end up in a ultimate pure state ( with out any ahmedi, hazara ,shia, christian and other minorities ).

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  • Roti, kapra aur..
    Feb 1, 2013 - 7:23PM

    The real problem in the relationship is quite evident with the fact that there does not exist a single political – I repeat – a political entity in Pakistan who would have threatened hotels and establishments in any city to reject Indian guests, if they ever come to Pakistan. .. and majority, a big majority of Pakistanis would support to be hopitable for Indian/ Indian Women cricket team. The fact that the women’s side is more vunlnerable and need more respect than the men’s side has not bothered the Indian Civil Society to stand up for them. To add insult to injury, there are justifications in Indian media for this stupid, ugly and shameful act

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  • Arbitrage
    Feb 1, 2013 - 7:56PM

    @sanjay,
    That’s a little hard to believe, given the number of your compatriots who read and comment on Pakistani news websites.

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  • P N Eswaran
    Feb 1, 2013 - 8:08PM

    “Sometimes it seems as though India has never forgiven Pakistan for wanting to break away and become its own country.”

    If at all the Indians think of Partition it is with a sense of relief and glee. Besides, Pakistan was created by by Indian Muslims who could not go to Pakistan as you still call them Mohajirs and your late prime minister called them”rats”. The perpetrators of Pakistan have been punished enough.

    It is true in the past Indians hated Pakistanis, later they pitied it now Pakistan with guys like Rehaman Malik provide non-stop entertainment.

    “This leads to a more important question: do Pakistanis and Indians really want peace with each other? “

    Yes! Pakistan needs to be at peace with India if it wants to survive.

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  • Singh
    Feb 1, 2013 - 8:10PM

    @uzma ausaf:
    And that needling award you with Bangladesh. What next Baluchistan?
    Please keep needling to reap awards now & then.

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  • Karella
    Feb 1, 2013 - 8:48PM

    I am an old fashioned guy with old fashioned values. All I can say, regardless of the hostilities that exist , is that I would never involve women, children, artist or other pacifists into this ‘mine is bigger than yours’ brawl. They have no say in either countries foreign policy. However you look at this, the prejudice seems to be higher on the Indian side in this and recent incidents. And that is just sad.

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  • kaalchakra
    Feb 1, 2013 - 8:49PM

    “please continue to exist but take that ‘needling India’ part out of your narrative”

    That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. As Shahbaz Khan rightly reminds Indians, India is like a desperate jilted beggar woman and Pakistan is like a virile proud man whose ‘job’ it is to ‘needle’ :)

    Ha ha (that is for those Indians who didn’t get the joke that the rest of us understand so well :))

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  • prakash
    Feb 1, 2013 - 9:08PM

    I think most of the Indians, especially the present generation, do not think much about the partition. They are busy with their lives and want the same attitude from their neighbors.
    However, Infiltration in Kashmir, Kargil, Mumbai like incidents keep taking the present generation to the history of partition.
    Musharraf has now conceded that Army regulars infiltrated in Kargil, stabbing at the back an unwritten agreement/understanding by virtue of which both Armies withdrew during winters.He now boasts that Indians lost more soldiers than Pakistan. I have no words to explain the stupidity of this statement. Does he think Indians would be wanting in sacrifices to reclaim what was their own.
    Similarly, there was complete denial about Mumbai and now slowly the truth is coming out.
    The truth about the beheading would also come out sooner or later.
    India does not raise the BAR, Pakistan itself reduces its stature in the eyes of Indians by it’s misdeeds.
    The argument that non-state actors are too strong in Pakistan and responsible may be true but does not interest us, Indians. We sympathize, but please take care of your problems, your right wing, your ISI and keep them within your borders. When these spill over to our side there is going to be reaction and the reaction is going to get stronger and stronger with each new incident.
    About the Women’s cricket team from Pakistan, please accept my humblest apologies and I for one do not agree the situation they have been put into, no matter what the overall circumstances.
    Best wishes from an Indian well wisher in Delhi.

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  • kailash sethy
    Feb 1, 2013 - 9:18PM

    I feel Pakistanis wants to see some sort of face saving formula to go to next phase. And India would like to see Dawood Ibrahim and Hafeez Saeed like mastermind and other supporters like them out of Pakistan to prove they r not indulging in terrorism. Also it will be in pakistan’s interest to slowly get rid of these fanatics carryiing AK 47 all over country. this will help both countries to go a long way in right direction

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  • Pankaj
    Feb 1, 2013 - 9:27PM

    what concessions lady is talking about you /…??

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  • Murthy
    Feb 1, 2013 - 9:35PM

    Pakistan is more ‘sinning’ than ‘sinned against’. The writer must understand that the public in India don’t bother about Pakistan. Since Pakistan has never been serious or sincere about peace or friendship, it has no right to accuse India of the same. After having been accorded MFN status years ago, it is still dillydallying to reciprocate it. If it is not sincere, so be it. But, why does it find fault with India? What credibility does it have globally?

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  • Feb 1, 2013 - 9:39PM

    It is not India’s fault blame yourself for this protest,after all on the first instance who has asked you to violate LOC and behead one soldier???Such kind of act you (pakistan) may be familiar with because you are seeing those thing everyday but it is unacceptable in India.You may see such barbaric act complete video if any for example but we Indians cant see it for seconds.

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  • MilesToGo
    Feb 1, 2013 - 9:52PM

    How dare you, the unspoken line seems to be, how dare you break the territorial integrity of India, cause the death of millions during Partition, fight wars against us, support terrorists against us? Who do you think you are?

    My earlier comment did not publish – trying again…

    @author – What is wrong if India tells you “How dare you support terrorism against us?” or do you want us to accept terrorism coming from Pakistan with a smile?

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  • MilesToGo
    Feb 1, 2013 - 9:58PM

    We’ve been trying to medicate these wounds for years, but we’ve never really treated the disease that lies beneath the symptoms. I wonder how long it will be before another amputation will be deemed necessary to save both the patients.

    Not too long…We will need to do another amputation shortly so that two nation theory can be perfectly implemented – without that there is no hope.

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  • kbhk
    Feb 1, 2013 - 10:00PM

    @ Sanjay
    really?then what are u doing here reading Pakistani newspapers & commenting on articles?

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  • sabi
    Feb 1, 2013 - 10:05PM

    Team went there to play cricket not to enjoy five star luxary hotels.India is a host and we have to accept it whatever host offers.What’s wrong if team is staying in club because of security concerns.Let us not think imaturely all the time.

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  • gp65.
    Feb 1, 2013 - 10:09PM

    First of all I am sorry that security issues led to the Pakistani women’s team being impacted in the way it was. However, please do not act as though there was no pretext to the whole exercise. Did such a problem face Pakistani men’s cricket team in December? No. Why the difference then? The LOC incident.

    “The sentiment in Pakistan seems to be that we Pakistanis keep making concessions in the search for friendship and better relations with India, but India does not seem to be responding in kind.”

    Please name even ONE concession made by Pakistan that has not been reciprocated by India? In case of the much touted MFN, the boot is actually on the other foot i.e. India gave MFN to Pakistan in 1996 and Pakistan is mandated to give it to India as part of WTO rules but has delayed giving it. Even now there is just talk without actual implementation.

    “This leads to a more important question: do Pakistanis and Indians really want peace with each other?”

    Indians want peace within India and protecting our geographic borders externally. If peace initiative with Pakistan will get us there, that is the path we will take, if disengagement will get us there, that is the path we will take and if confronting Pakistani aggression is necessary that is the path we will take to ensure peace in India.

    @uzma ausaf: “InshaAllah we will continue to exist and needle you Indians!!”

    We are glad you are a separate nation. I don’t personally know of any Indian who would want to roll back partition nor is there any political wll for that. If that had been the case, India would have tried to merge Bangladesh within its territory in 1971.That would have been the wrong thing to do ofcourse but the point is it was never tried. It is true ofcourse taht Pakistan has chosen to continue to needle India. India continues to absorb the needling upto a point and at some point it responds aggressively which unfailingly surprises Pakistani leadership since they always assume that India’s patience reflects India’s weakness rather than India’s magnanimity. Kargill, Parliament attack, LOC violation. In each case Pakistan expected no response and was surprised. COntinue on and find how each needle is invariably turned inwards.

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  • India
    Feb 1, 2013 - 10:15PM

    To be frank,when i read the news of the women team housed inside the stadium in our newspaper i felt very very bad….they were sports people and women……… and orissa is a very peaceful state…………….but why did not your rehman malik protest. he protested loudly for the safety of Indian shahrukhan…………..

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  • mobocracy
    Feb 1, 2013 - 10:15PM

    It shows how India has become “mobocracy” country. Govt cannot control these Hindu fanatic. Not sure if this is a deliberated attempt or simply incompetent to control them.

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  • Pakistani Ostrich
    Feb 1, 2013 - 10:46PM

    All the pakisatanis saying “..No body cares about India seriously…”
    …then call your woman team home. Why do you want to be insulted by the indians? If the tables were turned..indian woman team would be back to india already..sipping tea! Why does your ISI send people to india (e.g. mumbai) to kill innocent indians, including indian muslims? Except for sikhs (due to their religious compulsions) and some old punjabi old hags nobody wants to visit pakistan. For God’s sake stop calling yourself ‘Indians’, like they do it in USA to get accepted and respected in USA (and to hide from homeland security’s radar! LOL!)

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  • Indian Catholic
    Feb 1, 2013 - 11:22PM

    @Aniket: Now, to your article. You are broadly right. After Partition, many Indians would ask, OK, you guys tore way from us, you didn’t want to live with Hindus, so now why do you care about relations with us?
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    India is not only about Hindus. What about us Christians? What about our feelings on letting ordinary people like us live and earn a livelihood?
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    To those who think that Hinduism is one unified religion.I have news for you. Hinduism permeates far more than it appears. I may be Catholic but I could be Hindu because I am an Indian.

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  • Domlurian
    Feb 1, 2013 - 11:24PM

    “Instead, they keep raising the bar for us and making it difficult for Pakistanis who travel to India.”

    I wonder why Pakistanis are so desperate to travel to India.
    I’m yet to meet a common Indian who wants to visit Pakistan (aside from the aman ki asha types that is).

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  • Farahi
    Feb 1, 2013 - 11:38PM

    @Sanjay:
    Yeah that is why most English language newspapers in India have a specific section dedicated to Pakistan like the Times of India.

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  • Hella1
    Feb 1, 2013 - 11:46PM

    It would be nice if the author could name any country/nation that loves Pakistan. Even an Arab Muslim country like Kuwait does not issue visas to Pakistani nationals. Any ideas why?

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  • Vikrant
    Feb 1, 2013 - 11:53PM

    @uzma ausaf: Your mindset shows exactly WHY Pakistan and its hapless citizens are facing all kinds of problems these days with the country now seemingly in self-destruction mode. Needling India only landed your country to break up into two — with the majority seceding from the minority to form its own country (Bangladesh) in Dec 1971! Probably the first time such a thing has ever happened in history! This is what happens when you live in perpetual denial (like this author seemingly is as well) and all your life’s purpose is to “needle your neighbors” — as some wise man once said: “If you grow snakes in your back yard in the hope that they will bite your neighbors, it’s only a matter of time before they bite YOU!” — so, dear friend, learn from history and grow up before it is too late!

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  • Alan
    Feb 2, 2013 - 12:55AM

    It is not history… It is the present… The boo of religious supremacism and hatred for India and Hindus in Pakistan is apparent to all nations of the world.

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  • Happens
    Feb 2, 2013 - 12:56AM

    Indian civil society should put pressure to divert Indian rivers which enter pakistan unless and until they stop meddling Indian affairs…Pakistan should be taught a strong lesson.Recommend

  • realist
    Feb 2, 2013 - 1:15AM

    Oh yes, the rest of the world loves pakistan dearly. It is only India that hates pakistan

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  • Guy
    Feb 2, 2013 - 1:24AM

    @ kaalchakra: “India is like a desperate jilted beggar woman and Pakistan is like a virile proud man whose ‘job’ it is to ‘needle”. No offence to self respected Pakistanis. Can someone answer what was IMF doing in Pakistan a few weeks ago???? I hope that sums up everything. PEACE!!!

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  • Feb 2, 2013 - 1:29AM

    The author says : ‘We’ve been trying to medicate these wounds for years, but we’ve never really treated the disease that lies beneath the symptoms. I wonder how long it will be before another amputation will be deemed necessary to save both the patients.’
    We Indians have moved on. We donot want any more Mumbais, Kargils etc. What amputation are you talking about? India is not a patient. It is better you treat your own illness and don’t try to infect others!

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  • Feb 2, 2013 - 1:32AM

    @uzma ausaf:you are right! the whole world notices you! You make yourself noticeable by hook or crook!

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  • Atyachaar
    Feb 2, 2013 - 2:56AM

    How dare you, the unspoken line seems to be, how dare you break the territorial integrity of India, cause the death of millions during Partition, fight wars against us, support terrorists against us? Who do you think you are?

    These are things any set of people would be livid about! We still tried to move on because life is precious and short but you non-state actors think that is a sign of weakness and keep trying to remind us, they can come over and behead our soldiers. It can’t go on, needs to stop really. Your country deserves all the hate its getting!

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  • Mumbai Jazz
    Feb 2, 2013 - 3:03AM

    @To ALL nut jobs who call this Pakistani newspaper. Tribune.com.pk is just a “wing” of Tribune newspapers which is a global news company. I do not google up tribune.com.pk to land here, for me it’s either some indirect reference to India in a Pakistani site coming through news feed software which brings me here.

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  • prany
    Feb 2, 2013 - 3:09AM

    @uzma ausaf:
    You said it. You guys are pathetic sadists. Your whole existence is for what – only needling India! How pathetic. You have no desire for your people, your future generations to progress and earn a respectable place in the comity of nations. Your sole purpose to exist is to “needle India”. ..ha…..how pathetic! Your guys are really sick psychos!! Pity on you.

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  • Rehan
    Feb 2, 2013 - 3:12AM

    Yeah, as a pakistani I agree that we have done more harm to India than India has inflicted upon Pakistan. However, I would say that its not the fault of a common Pakistani (who mind you is still craving for his independence) but its fault of politicians,military, feudals and bureaucrats alongwith religious right. A labour in Karachi , a farmer in South Punjab or a herder in Balochistan has no interest in Kashmir or Afghanistan or strategic depth or even India.

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  • Mumbai Jazz
    Feb 2, 2013 - 3:14AM

    Yet another author with “Bina Knowledge”.
    Ms Bina Shah. Your demand for India to treat you as equal is quite laughable. For Pakistan to be equal of India it has to have some comparable achievements in political, strategical, development and various other fields. The only thing comparable in Pakistan with India is army. Please do remind this delusional soul on what does Pakistan export exactly. What contribution does Pakistan has in world map. Just to give you an example , India has it’s own space program and has launched even foreign satellites to space and not from some third world country but satellites from country like France. Anything remotely what Pakistan has done so far ?
    From your comment on Shah Rukh Khan it is obviously clear that you havent personally read his whole interview or deliberately misleading the Pakistani awam. I will save that debate for my second comment. But it’s quite interesting to notice that there are prominent and successful muslims like Shah Rukh in India. Name one prominent non muslims in Pakistan. ….Shah Rukh enjoys democracy hence he can make such comments and his fan and followers irrespective of their caste and religion will still love him and understand his point.; In Pakistan how many Indians have raised such voice or concern ? And what has been common Pakistani’s response to them ? Just to refresh your memory just last year quite many Hindus migrated to India from Pakistan.
    Equality is given, not begged for. If you think that your terrorists keeps us killing and we invite you with open arms than you are seriously looney. Just be glad we haven;t so far retaliated. And please fix your credibility in world theater, you are loosing whatever credibility you guys have.

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  • Feb 2, 2013 - 3:18AM

    This is false equivalence. It isn’t ‘two patients’. Its one and only one patient in the region, which delusionally believes the spouse it separated from is as sick as they are, but isn’t. When the nations formed, its like it formed India and anti-India, rather than India and Pakistan. The onus really is on Pakistan mostly in regards to it’s global reputation.

    When Egypt, UAE, Saudi Arabia have recently upped their screening process against Pakistanis for polio and other diseases, is that ‘hating Pakistan’ too? When the rest of the world points out that Pak is a ‘failed state’ due to corruption, lack of law and order, lack of development and terrorist radicalisms of all kinds, is that ‘hating Pakistan’ too?

    No one mentions India in the same breath for being as problematic in the international community. Even in regards to a solution in Afghanistan, most Afghans and experts will point towards Pakistan as being the major roadblock and saboteur of progress. It is only Pakistan and Pakistanis who oddly mention India for the reasons of their twisted interests in Afghanistan.

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  • gp65.
    Feb 2, 2013 - 3:46AM

    @Rehan: “Yeah, as a pakistani I agree that we have done more harm to India than India has inflicted upon Pakistan. However, I would say that its not the fault of a common Pakistani “

    Most Indians can agree with what you said. I certainly do. ALso most of the actions by India are to give a clear message to the Pakistani rules that Indians are not soft targets. Not just I but most Indians were upset about Samjhauta express where ordinary Pakistanis were killed for no fault of theirs (ordinary Indians too ofcourse) and there was no resistance to have the planners being put in jail.

    @Author :”How dare you, the unspoken line seems to be, how dare you break the territorial integrity of India, cause the death of millions during Partition, fight wars against us, support terrorists against us? “

    Are you justifying starting wars agains India?Are you justifying terrorism against India? Are you saying that India should simply ignore all this and turn the other cheek?

    “I wonder how long it will be before another amputation will be deemed necessary to save both the patients”.

    Amputation? Are you calling for one more partition?

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  • mo
    Feb 2, 2013 - 6:32AM

    @Sanjay:
    lol sunjay who you fooling ? every news item on this website from crime,corruption or floods every domestic issue, indian posters troll this website with properganda nad hatred, indian media is always trying to undermine support for 2 nation theory and attacking culture and nation of pakistan.
    you retired generals and shiv senu are always in compeition with india and compare themselves to pakistan, despite india being 8 times the size and was the lands which joined india where the richer part of the British Raj ( capital and port cities developed by the british)

    india has more poverty than pak and fro 1947-1991 pakistan grew twice as fast. you entire media is full of pak paranio and thinks india is a super power.

    let me clear, pakistan will never accept indian hegemony

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  • mo
    Feb 2, 2013 - 6:34AM

    @BlackJack:
    pak hindus go to india because you offer them bribes and everyone knows that India is 8 times the size of pakistan, so india has more resources for refugees

    as for mfn, that means nothing, india has many other hidden barriers and india exports to pak 8 times what we export to u , despite pak having a smaller economy

    india foriegn policy is get pakistan to make concessions and then back track, this has been policy since 1990s
    every deal musheraff to benazir bhutto made , india always does not do its end of the bargain

    and even now 2 years of talks and then indai builds a illegal tower on LOC and then indain army chief threatens war hahahaha u liar

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  • Vivek
    Feb 2, 2013 - 6:48AM

    @domlurian.

    Exactly my thoughts. I was given an option to go to Pakistan on a business visit, but had to decline. Reason being, Pakistani stamp on my passport can be a ticket to a lot of trouble!!

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  • Allah Ditta
    Feb 2, 2013 - 7:19AM

    Why blame India? Just don’t go there. Hockey team was thrown out of India like a dirty garbage bag. When this team landed in Pakistan, players still wanted to go to India. Ask your players and artists, they pull their pants down and line up and beg for India’s visa. They praise Indian in India and when they land in Pakistan, same people pull their pants up and start cursing India. Pakistan should have some Gairat. There were clear indications that Indians did not want women’s team in their country. Indians even had to change their venue to accommodate Pakistanis. Shame on Pakistanis who want to go to India.

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  • Arijit Sharma
    Feb 2, 2013 - 7:52AM

    “I wonder how long it will be before another amputation will be deemed necessary to save both the patients”.

    Wrong diagnosis. One patient is dying from organ failure.

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  • polpot
    Feb 2, 2013 - 7:55AM

    Such injured innocence
    ++++++++++++++++++++
    It seems the author believes the essence of cricket is in 5 star accommodation.
    Trivial and superficial article.

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  • Rehan
    Feb 2, 2013 - 8:14AM

    I hope one day we will learn to coexist peacefully although I dont see it coming in my lifetime (and I still 19).

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  • observer
    Feb 2, 2013 - 9:35AM

    @kaalchakra:

    India is like a desperate jilted beggar woman and Pakistan is like a virile proud man whose ‘job’ it is to ‘needle’ :)

    The question is – How do you ‘needle’ with a blunt needle with the ‘needle point’ having been chopped off for ideological reasons?Recommend

  • gp65 .
    Feb 2, 2013 - 10:57AM

    @mobocracy: “It shows how India has become “mobocracy” country. Govt cannot control these Hindu fanatic. Not sure if this is a deliberated attempt or simply incompetent to control them.”

    Agree with you about this lacunae of Indian government – whether Hindu mobs or Muslim ones (protesting the movie Vishwaroopam or Salman Rushdie) the government seems to be not handling the situation very well. The mobs should be rounded up and put in jail for disturbing peace but this government is too much into vote bank politics to take a strong stand.

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  • gp65 .
    Feb 2, 2013 - 11:04AM

    @Rehan: “I hope one day we will learn to coexist peacefully although I dont see it coming in my lifetime (and I still 19).”

    Your earlier post was also quite mature. Seeing such level headedness in one so young is wonderful. Keep writing and God bless.

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  • Nawaz Sharif
    Feb 2, 2013 - 11:25AM

    Odd that on the one hand Indians claim they dont care about Pakistan, yet they cant seem to stop commenting on Pakistani news papers…about issues related to Pakistan. lol!

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  • advice for uzma ausaf
    Feb 2, 2013 - 2:57PM

    @ uzma ausaf * listen to intellectual pakistanis like najam sethi, hassan nizar, asma jehangir, jugnu mohsin, imtiaz alam, pervez hoodbhoy, ahmed rasheed, marvi sirmed etc. & follw them.

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  • Mithun Chakraborty
    Feb 2, 2013 - 3:15PM

    Dear Ms. Bina Shah,

    Pls Shed away this Bigotry you have inside your Heart towards INDIA.

    1- The Pak Women Cricket team is Staying at One of the Best Facilities of Indian Orissa Govt Provides, I know this Stadium Personally and it Facilities Inside for Players are Better THAN the 5 STAR you request?

    2- Tell me WHICH team is Given 5 Star Accomodation?? All the other 7 teams are given almost the Same facility

    3- Now Ms.Ayesha Ashar Said that the Orissa Govt & Barabati Stadium has given us Fantastic Facility same as they got in Pakistan?? So you Want More CONCESSIONS from India ??? Starnge LOGIC

    4- Pakistan have Never MADE Any Concessions to INDIA but in Turn India have made Many Concessions back.

    5- Be assured that we Indians are LEAST bothered about the Partition and Think that it was the BEST Thing to Happen.

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  • SD
    Feb 2, 2013 - 5:26PM

    I agree. Partition was the best thing to have happened.

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  • Jai
    Feb 2, 2013 - 7:26PM

    So you want concessions like letting your maniacs behead our people every now and then, eh. You should be glad India hasn’t kicked Pakistan’s teeth in after 26/11. Rest assured we’re very much capable of it. Our intent for peace is being taken for weakness but you wouldn’t know what is the last straw on the camel’s back and then it’ll be too late.

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  • Jai
    Feb 2, 2013 - 8:01PM

    @Shahbaz Khan:
    Keep that needling up and the gloves will come off soon. you’ll be further cut down to size like 71. So far you’ve been treated with kid gloves. Pakistan is an empty vessel that makes a lot of noise. Your 93,000 chest thumping boisterous men surrendered without a fight in 1971, the largest surrender since ww2. So much for the “virile” man jilted woman equation.

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  • Jai
    Feb 2, 2013 - 9:43PM

    @Nawaz Sharif:
    Can’t help it. Your nuisance spills over into our country. We’d much rather focus on competing with US and China being the third largest economy in the world after them. You’re just a nuisance in the neighborhood.Recommend

  • uzma ausaf
    Feb 2, 2013 - 9:45PM

    INDIANS your reaction is funnier than I expected… you have focussed more on my comment as compared to poor Ms Bina Shah’s article!!

    You should read Mr Sanjay’s comment above.. he said & I quote

    *Bottomline, we just dont think of Pakistan at all except when it needles us for all the wrong reasons. Honest advise – Just dont be so focussed on us. We dont even notice you let alone be bothered about your status vis-a-vis India or any other nation on this planet. This is not to offend you guys but to just make you aware of what India really thinks.Accept it and move on… continiue to exist but without needling the other peaceful nations unnecessarily.
    to which I responded
    InshaAllah we will continue to exist and needle you Indians!!

    which in plain English means ‘ by the Grace of Allah Almighty,you will not be able to finish us & our existence alone is enough to bother you obsessed Indians’
    as far as Mr Sanjay is concerned ,his comment is self explanatory
    Honestly .. all of you should go & see a psychiatrist for your Pakistan Obsession
    If I am wrong… just notice 65 comments out of 76 are from Indians.

    If you don’t notice our existence, why so much reaction? you are like an arrogant child who teases others & when the teased kid protects himself ,he is angered more because he feels it is his right to beat the poor innocent ….

    your pathetic comments make me sick & there can be a longer response but you are hopeless.. Good bye take a pill & go to sleep!!!!

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  • Alexander
    Feb 2, 2013 - 10:00PM

    @uzma ausaf:
    who should take the pill? all the 65 indians or just 1 person? Is it not cheaper and quicker and easier if that ” 1″ person took the pill :) the one that needs it the most!!

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  • JSM
    Feb 2, 2013 - 10:33PM

    Madam,
    Most respecfully, I beg you to list the concessions given by Pakistan to India. Pardon my ignorance please.

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  • Deb
    Feb 3, 2013 - 12:30AM

    @uzma ausaf and all other aggrieved ones
    @AUTHOR

    Please follow the link and chill.

    http://kafila.org/2013/02/02/dear-pakistani-friends-put-yourself-in-my-shoes/

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  • a_writer
    Feb 3, 2013 - 1:17AM

    Why do writers from India and Pakistan equate lack of friendly relation as ‘hatred’? I have read so many articles in Pakistani newspaper that India has ‘never accepted’ partition. Really ! Looking back, partition is about the best thing that could have happened to India and Pakistan. As for those ‘who cannot accept’ the fact -well, they are in the minority. Why? most of the freedom fighters who might have such an emotion are all dead or almost there. For the younger generation, Pakistan has always been a foreign country like Ceylon or China. Please do understand it is not hatred, it is more of intense irritation. Because India is unable to apply its full focus and energy to its economic growth because of the constant threat of terrorist acts coming from Pakistan which puts a damper on foreign investments in India.

    There is no hatred – just a foolish hope that somehow one day Pakistan will just ‘vanish from India’s border to some other location on this planet and in return will prosper beyond anyone’s belief.

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  • Mani
    Feb 3, 2013 - 1:32AM

    @Ravi: I recommend that before justifying the reasons for the reaction you need to put your facts straight, I’ve researched the conditions in Kashmir for last 14 yrs and number of such incidents (initiated from Indian side) took place, but there was no media campaign or such high level focus then, as per the statement of Indian chief of army tactical actions merit tactical response in LOC environment, why was every one sleeping once chakhoti bazzar was repeatedly attacked and destroyed and no of other similar incidents took place. Cutting the long story short, this act speaks of extremely low level of sportsmanship and inability to keep politics and sports different ( at the other side you demand that the trade MFN status should be treated totally independent of Kashmir issue) .you guys are true example of Hypocrites.

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  • Feb 3, 2013 - 4:49AM

    @uzma ausaf:
    Amma it’s our love for ET that has brought us here! You are mistaken! Actually reading ET gives us peace of mind! We then feel very calm and don’t need to follow your advice! Saarey dimaagi marz ka ilaaj karta hai ET. Can’t continue sweetie as I am studying for an important exam! Bye for now!

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  • Gratgy
    Feb 3, 2013 - 1:02PM

    @uzma ausaf
    which in plain English means ‘ by the Grace of Allah Almighty,you will not be able to finish us & our existence alone is enough to bother you obsessed Indians’

    We do not need to finish you, you are doing a great job yourself. Pakistan will continue to exist but it seems to be getting progressively smaller. 1971 saw you become half of what you are, now you have lost sovereignty in Taliban infested areas.

    The fact that you took the time to count the number of comments from Indians is quite amusing, shows that you were counting the comments instead of reading them. The reason that we are commenting is that if someone writes foolish things about our country we will object and we have the right to object

    your pathetic comments make me sick & there can be a longer response but you are hopeless

    If you cannot take criticism then you should not be here. You should not expect everyone to buy into the stories you are dishing outRecommend

  • Nobody
    Feb 3, 2013 - 6:12PM

    @Alexander:
    I think you need to look up the definition of secular my friend. The very fact that India prides itself on being a ‘secular’ nation means that yes, it does have to treat ALL religions alike or it doesn’t deserve that title.
    You say India shouldn’t be expected to treat a religious society the same as a secular society…?? Then you have absolutely no idea what a secular society really is. If you ARE treating people differently based on RELIGION (whether it’s the existence or the lack of it), you’re not a secular society. You just contradicted everything India apparently stands for with that absurd statement. You’re doing your countrymen no favors by further proving naysayers right.

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  • Nobody
    Feb 3, 2013 - 6:43PM

    @Alexander:
    I think you need to look up the definition of secular my friend. The very fact that India prides itself on being ‘secular’ means that yes, it does have to treat ALL religions the same (whether it’s the existence of it or the lack of it).
    You say India shouldn’t be expected to treat a religious country the same as a secular one…?? Then you have absolutely no idea what secular really means. You just contradicted everything India supposedly stands for. You’re not doing your countrymen any favors. Claiming a secular title comes with responsibilities. Having the ‘maturity’ to pick a neutral stance on all religions whether you agree or disagree is one of those responsibilities.

    ET, let’s try posting this again shall we? Much obliged………………

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  • Feb 3, 2013 - 7:00PM

    @Nobody:

    That makes no sense.

    If you point out one law or words in the Constitution which is anti-any-minority, I’ll concede to you that India is un-secular.

    India is as much secular as US is racist. No laws in US are racists, no laws in India are un-secular. Racists exist in US, so does communalists in India.

    No Muslim has to bear the burden of signing a document, like the Ahmadis have to endure in Pakistan(You literally have to declare Ahmadis as non-Muslims. By the way, do you have a passport? If so you have participated in this demeaning activity as well). In fact, this extends to all members of the society.

    India, by Constitution is secular and laws and procedures conform to that.. Muslims are looked down upon in US and EU countries too. Does that mean they are unsecular too?

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  • Feb 3, 2013 - 7:04PM

    Dear Madam you have said “The sentiment in Pakistan seems to be that we Pakistanis keep making concessions in the search for friendship and better relations with India, but India does not seem to be responding in kind.” I will be really grateful if you could please enumerate a few of those concessions. Next you have very rightly said “This leads to a more important question: do Pakistanis and Indians really want peace with each other?” The answer is a big YES. But as long as the all powerful Army of Pakistan is pleased enough to bless this wish of the people of Pakistan and India I do not think this will happen.

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  • Manoj Joshi India
    Feb 3, 2013 - 8:07PM

    @Sanjay: This article has spoken the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. This has been the real story of Indo-Pak relations.

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  • Manoj Joshi India
    Feb 3, 2013 - 8:08PM

    @Foreign Leg: It is time India as well as Pakistan come out of that antipathy and distrust that has plagued the two neighbours since 1947.

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  • Manoj Joshi India
    Feb 3, 2013 - 8:25PM

    @Alexander:
    It is not a question of just a Secular or Non-Secular society or societies. Foreign policy of any nation is governed by national interests. Please remember that it is not the political head of any nation or his or her religion that governs any bilateral relationship. Hence if a Hindu were to elected as the prime minister of Pakistan does not mean that Indo-Pak relations will undergo an overnight change or in case of India if a Muslim is made the prime minister the same rules shall apply. In addition the fact that Pakistan is an Islamic state or a Secular state is really not the criteria for even if it were Secular; remember I have said Secular; relations would have been governed by the existing geo-political factors.

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  • Shweta
    Feb 4, 2013 - 2:21AM

    Pakistan should be happy with what it has……India is not worried……every action of pakistan will be responded with equal reaction…… anyhow, there is no need to harp on the peace process……No Indian wants to come to pakistan…..! Please stay wherever you are…..! If peace has to come it will…….! India is not in a hurry…..and pakistan needn’t extend any hand of friendship…..it would be good if pakistanis stay in their own country and don’t come to India……focus on their own issues and problems.

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  • Shweta
    Feb 4, 2013 - 3:06AM

    Wonder why entire pakistan got irked by Shahrukh Khan’s statement? :) They should remember that he is an Indian citizen and doesn’t need any advice from pakistanis, neither from Rehman Malik nor from terrorist Hafeez Saeed. Instead, it would be better if Rehman Malik or other pakistanis focus on targeting terrorism and their own issues……. arresting Hafeez Saeed would be the first step in this direction…….day is not far when Hafeez will cause a havoc in pakistan itself. Dont focus so much on India, your own citizens will feel ashamed and jealous. U are already losing the plot. :)

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  • Feb 4, 2013 - 5:34AM

    The same Bina Shah who until recently was writing about the advantages and unending benefits of feudalism in Pakistan?

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  • jagjit sidhoo.
    Feb 4, 2013 - 9:14AM

    @uzma ausaf: Can you not exist without needling others .

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  • Haider
    Feb 4, 2013 - 12:22PM

    @Sanjay

    I wish what you are saying were true, then maybe i could get through the news in the morning without seeing hateful and racist comments from Indians everyday. Count the number of comments left by Indians in Pakistani newspapers on a given day and compare to Pakistani comments on Indian newspapers, and it will become clear to you that the people in one country have too much free time.

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  • polpot
    Feb 4, 2013 - 1:48PM

    @Hella1: ” It would be nice if the author could name any country/nation that loves Pakistan.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    CHINA:)

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  • B for bat
    Feb 4, 2013 - 5:53PM

    @Sanjay: There are just too many Inds reading and commenting Pakistani newspapers to believe Inds are disinterested. Much fewer Pakistanis read and comment Indi papers. So get real you guys just can’t live without your daily dose of Pakistan

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  • joe shmoe
    Feb 4, 2013 - 7:16PM

    There can never be peace between India and Pakistan, and the hatred will continue to increase until it all ends in several hundred mushroom clouds over the sub-continent. So continue the hatred ya all petty minded patriots on both sides.

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  • devendrakatuke
    Feb 4, 2013 - 9:47PM

    @Shahbaz Khan:

    I think best solution to Kashmir problem be seen it in perspective of Baluchistan, Sindh and Pakhtoon Independence.

    Plebiscite should be made to see if all Pakistan occupied territories want to remain in Pakistan or want Independence or want to join India. India should support these countries and see there is no Human Right violations (No repeat of Bangladesh) till they get Independence.

    Indian Muslims should also come to support their brother in Pain in these Pakistan occupied territories.

    Mean while Kashmir issue can be kept at back-stage till political things get clear in Pakistan.

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  • Sanjay
    Feb 5, 2013 - 8:09AM

    @Sanjay: Why Indians are reading and commenting on a Pakistani newssite? For one, The headline is too catchy to ignore. Second, to see an intellectual analysis of why people would be ‘Hating Pakistan’, that delves deeply into the core of other nation’s psyche for real reasons. But one is only treated here to the ridiculous arguments like 1947′s creation of Pakistan. The article was disappointing to put it very very mildly and later realized that it was more like an ‘opinion’ from some random lady than professionally researched article. It doesnt throw any light on the real reasons of why people of other nations, particularly Indians ‘hate’ pakistan ?? Or do they really?? Do they even care enough about this geographical neighbour to really go all the way to ‘hate’ it?? We are more puzzled as to why Pakistanis are so intrigued, awed, stymied, enamoured, obsessed and singly focussed on India. Is it that somewhere deep down within, the pain of having being seperated from India in 1947, something that was not of their (or their forefathers) choosing, is so deeply ingrained in their psyche that the pain manifests as this obsession with India. Thats possibly the ‘real’ reason, the one emanating out of this ‘roohani’ pain of being seperated from the mother? Please enlighten…

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  • Random
    Feb 5, 2013 - 8:16AM

    Its ironic that many indian commentators are saying that they do not care about Pakistan / they are not obsessed by Pakistan. yet all of them are here reading a Pakistani paper and commenting veraciously about how they are not obsessed …. Think there is a word for it…. yup hypocrisy … yup thats the word,,,

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  • gp65
    Feb 5, 2013 - 12:46PM

    @Manoj Joshi India: “@Foreign Leg: It is time India as well as Pakistan come out of that antipathy and distrust that has plagued the two neighbours since 1947.”

    If the Indian mistrust of Pakistan is without cause then definitely such mistrust is harmful to even India. However if the mistrust is based on valid reasons then it is naive to ignore those causes. It is precisely such naivete that allowed the British to rule over us. I have absolutely no ill will for Pakistan or Pakistanis but I love India and I want India and Indians to be safe. The pollyanna attitude suggested by you will not help us get there.

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  • Feb 5, 2013 - 12:48PM

    @Haider: Sir,
    You said “Count the number of comments left by Indians in Pakistani newspapers on a given day and compare to Pakistani comments on Indian newspapers, and it will become clear to you that the people in one country have too much free time.”
    Sir, it only indicates that how many people read English news papers in India and Pakistan. Naturally more readers more comments. For your kind information we equally read news papers from Bangladesh, China, UK, America etc. So please understand it is not about free time it is to be a part of this educated world and knowledge.

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  • history student
    Feb 6, 2013 - 12:07AM

    @gp65

    @Manoj Joshi
    ‘It is precisely such naiveté that allowed the British to rule over us.’

    OK fine, that’s in nutshell the reason for our 200 years of slavery. Now tell us if you know,
    what sort of naiveté allowed the Persians, Turkics, Afghans and Mughals to rule over us for about 560 years prior to the British?

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  • Cool Dude
    Feb 6, 2013 - 1:06AM

    @Sanjay:
    Thank you bro for yoru words of wisdom. but just to aware you, we common Pakistani even don’t care about anything except our electricity bill, gas, water and credit card bill, how to avoid traffic jam, which school to get admission for children and how to fulfill the demands of our ‘sweet heart’

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  • Manoj Joshi India
    Feb 6, 2013 - 7:41AM

    The history of these two South Asian republics viz Republic of India and Islamic Republic of Pakistan have been a history of dichotomies, antipathies and distrust. This unfortunately has been the story since 1947 and a not very cordial relationship has remained and order of the day which now has started to show a certain degree of thaw. The political winter that had prevailed for almost six decades apparently seems to be on a retreat but it is perhaps too early to arrive at any conclusion. There have been political hiccups that still do occur on a periodic basis which do shake the growing edifice of trust, understanding and amity. The political tremors wherein antipathy towards the visiting sportsmen is a part does create an apprehension in the minds of the people of the two nations. The basic dichotomy of India and Pakistan has been their history which although common prior to 1947 had a dichotomy wherein the hero of one side was perceived as a villain by the other and vice versa and it is this dichotomy that the British rulers took advantage of and further promoted this political and historic virus by introducing the Communal Electorate System which was given the name of ‘Communal Award’ and it was this communal divide that created a further rift between the two communities the Hindus and Muslims which inevitably culminated in the partition of British India in 1947 into two dominions. However, the post independence era was a time when Cold War was at its peak and India and Pakistan opted different kinds of alliances viz Non-Aligned Group and CENTO respectively. It is rather easy to blame Pakistan at hindsight with regard to their having joined the CENTO as simple it has been to blame India for having adopted a policy of Non-Alignment and having remained a Third World. The truth or reality is that the leaderships of the two countries Pakistan as well as India took recourse to a policy that suited their national and geo-strategic interests and this was the reason why India got close to the Soviet bloc and Pakistan to the US bloc. Although now there has been a change in the entire geo-strategic situations and this has been a global development. India is now a well developed economy and Pakistan too has come a long way since 1947. Coming back to the point of Indo-Pak antipathy and distrust wherein political and diplomatic misunderstandings too have played a major role the change is possible only through public and political will. First and the foremost the need to review and modify the parameters of patriotism in the two neighbouring countries is very important. Even during a sports event the entire match is viewed with a perception of hostility and antipathy and defeat is perceived as some sort of an anti-national act of the players which is a rather unfortunate and the perceptions need to be changed. This negative patriotism of antipathy, distrust and dislike towards the neighbour must be shown the door. Secondly the need to develop a perception that the neighbour is as noble and as holy as we are hence they too need to be given a fair chance to prove their credibility. Thirdly economic relations between the two neighbours ought to be promoted and economic nationalism needs to be given the driving seat in place of a radical political patriotism. Finally old and obsolete issues should be shelved or put in the back burner as they are of no utility to either sides as these issues have only promoted distrust and antipathy and have had a detrimental impact on the economies of the two neighbouring countries. Hence these issues should be laid to rest after a sincere and comprehensive dialogue. Hatred towards the neighbour or spewing venom through vitriolic remarks or preventing bilateral sports is in no way a patriotic act but should be considered as one of the most malicious and unpatriotic acts. The people of India and Pakistan should therefore come forward and oppose any such act that is provocative and detrimental to peace in this region or has a negative effect on Indo-Pak friendship. TRUST, AMITY and UNDERSTANDING are the only pillars that can promote a more cordial bilateral relationship between the two neighbours.

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  • jagjit sidhoo.
    Feb 6, 2013 - 8:18AM

    @history student:Maybe the answer to your question lies in a book by a Prof Sharma i read a few years back the problem lies in the caste system . Manu laid down that each of us is to stick to his/ her assigned place and role in society .There being 4 castes so 1/4 of the population was the warrior caste and entrusted with the task of fighting wars , considering that women to were not expected to take up arms the figure comes down to 1/8 . If you add the fact that generally only persons between the age of 15 and 50 can be expected to fight that would bring down the figure close to 1/16 . Any country where only 1/16th of the population is going to resist is a ripe candidate for capture.

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  • Feb 6, 2013 - 9:57AM

    @mo: You have said “indian media is always trying to undermine support for 2 nation theory and attacking culture and nation of pakistan.”
    You are 100% right.Yes the 2 nation theory is undermined by Indian media and people because this theory does not stand the test of TRUTH> If this theory is right how come there are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan? If this theory is right then why Bangladesh did go their own way? If this theory is right then why all Muslim countries fight with each other? The truth is that religion alone can not be the foundation of a country. Europe is all christian but they fought two world wars. Now coming to your point of Pakistani culture. How can we attack it. It is the same culture that we Indians are part of. At 12 O’Clock midnight of 14 Aug 1947 the culture can not change by strike of a gong.So please wake up we are one and the same people and finally we have to live together.

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  • Untitled
    Feb 6, 2013 - 12:52PM

    @Sanjay
    so you feel better than me because indian markets are 4 times larger than ours? because other than that there really isn’t any much difference between the two countries. let me needle you once more; look up the term nouveau riche, it would do you good to know its definition.

    speaking of which i hear in india at one end of the economic boom inflation has been increasing consequentially, and while it doesn’t effect the nouveau riche members of your population, the common man in india has been suffering. and now this inflation has begun to creep up towards the middle class as well as the indian youth fresh out of college – carrying heavy loans.

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  • Sanjay
    Feb 6, 2013 - 2:17PM

    @Untitled: Where did you pick up that “I feel better because indian markets are 4 times larger than Pakistan’s”? Why would that make me feel anything ?? Better or worse – whatever?! We dont care about Pakistan’s market size. In fact we do – but only about the size of your terrorism export, arms, weapons and WOMD market!!. The fact is that we are ‘often’ miserable – but for all the reasons you point out to be wrong with India, and some more local Indian issues. But that’s because of what’s not right in “India”. We dont see Pakistan as a benchmark to measure against. All the same, we dont go around being ‘obsessed’ by Europe, USA or China just because because their markets are 4 times larger than India’s !! Please bring some maturity in your arguments please, and advise the same to the author of this article too…

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  • adam
    Feb 6, 2013 - 6:16PM

    Here’s where they stayed, the facilities seem to be quite good:

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  • Shah
    Feb 6, 2013 - 6:27PM

    @Foreign Leg:

    I will also say it and once for all..

    Pakistan cannot tolerate the attrocities which India is commiting every day in Kashmir…..rather than pointing fingers at others see wht you are doing…may b you will find the main reason why people hate you in your own country…

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  • Shah
    Feb 6, 2013 - 6:29PM

    @PostMan:

    its true….if you will open Indian newspaper website there is a proper portion for PAKISTAN…..and in Pakistan we dont even care about India…

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  • Shah
    Feb 6, 2013 - 6:32PM

    @Mithun Chakraborty:

    which compensation have Indian given to Pakistan????

    huh the Dam which you made…..right now open up your news and see how Indian governement is crying that China is making a dam on their water….
    few years back when Pakistan and Bangladesh were screaming…Indian governement just ignored it……

    stop your compensation in Kashmir as well…you have killed enough innocent there…

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  • Shah
    Feb 6, 2013 - 6:36PM

    @VINOD:

    the theory is true ..as when you see wht indian muslims have to go through ….you will understand it….

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  • Feb 6, 2013 - 6:47PM

    @Untitled: Dear Sir, Though Sanjay has replied your points well; in reply to your comment “and while it doesn’t effect the nouveau riche members of your population, the common man in india has been suffering. and now this inflation has begun to creep up towards the middle class as well as the indian youth fresh out of college – carrying heavy loans.” I would like to say a few words. Firstly do not hear come and see the standards of living of middle classes in India. Inflation is rising and so are the pay packets. To day right from a daily wage worker to the menial staff working in house holds most have modern amenities like fridge or TV etc. The main reason is demolition of feudal system of landlords and spread of education. The poorer is a family more is the commitment towards education of children in English medium schools. There is no denial that the journey is long and full of hazards specially from right wing forces who only thrive on hatred and violence.But we are focused and striving hard to move on. We are not hung up on proving who is a better but committed to compete and give chance to the down trodden by way of giving them reservations etc in all spheres. Hope we will succeed. Thanks.

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  • Untitled
    Feb 6, 2013 - 7:26PM

    @VINOD
    good-luck.

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  • Untitled
    Feb 7, 2013 - 4:31PM

    @Sanjay
    yeah sorry sanjay i’ve been waiting for my reply to get through, but it didn’t. what i basically said was is:
    you value me too much. its not like i personally know gen. kyani to put your concerns through, regarding the instability caused by terrorism in india; i was talking to you in the perspective of a pakistani citizen to an indian citizen. that’s where ‘i picked that up from’.

    i personally have been as vocal as i can be about our representatives lack of will to tackle domestic terrorism; allowing it to ferment to a level of potency that would endanger more than just market stability. and i believe that it would be a major factor in determining the next elected govt. in our coming elections.

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