"I think it is important not to let this cycle escalate into something which becomes even uglier than it is today," Pakistani High Commissioner to India Salman Bashir said in an interview with Reuters. "Let's try to see if we can cool down and resume normal business."
Three Pakistani and two Indian soldiers have been killed this month in the worst outbreak of tit-for-tat violence in Kashmir since India and Pakistan agreed to a ceasefire along a de facto border there nearly a decade ago.
Following public and media outrage after India said one of its soldiers had been decapitated, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said there could be "no business as usual" with Pakistan, and the army chief said his commanders should retaliate if provoked.
Bashir said India could have worked with Pakistan to get to the bottom of what happened instead of "stirring raw emotions and upping the rhetoric", adding that "Pakistan bashing has become fashionable" in India.
The high commissioner told Reuters stuck to Pakistan's policy statement on the killings of soldiers on the Indian side of Line of Control (LoC), that divides Kashmir, that Pakistani troops had nothing to do with them.
"Such heinous acts ... are of course condemnable irrespective of where they happen and when they happen. But to say that these were done by Pakistan, that the Pakistan army was responsible, is something that we cannot agree to," he said.
Mass protest
India blames the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) militant group for that attack and says it enjoys official protection in Pakistan.
Pakistan denies supporting the group.
Indian officials have repeatedly accused the LeT of stirring up the recent episode of trouble on the border, a claim denied by its founder, Hafez Saeed.
Bashir said the Pakistani army and government could not speculate on who might have been behind the attack.
Pakistan's government was deadlocked in internal crisis this week by Tahirul Qadri's mass protest in Islamabad, demanding the government resign. Bashir though ruled out any link between the internal strife and the military skirmishes on the Kashmir border.
He pointed to an offer made on Wednesday by Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar to her Indian counterpart for talks to ratchet down the tension.
"Pakistan definitely desires de-escalation and definitely feels that the only way forward is through dialogue," he said.
Indian-Pakistani relations had recently begun to thaw after plummeting in 2008 when gunmen killed 166 people in Mumbai in a three-day rampage that India blamed on LeT.
Unlike Mumbai, firing and small skirmishes are common along the internationally recognised 740-km LoC despite the ceasefire that was agreed in 2003.
Government officials on both sides though have taken to the media to insist that the latest flare-up will not derail talks to improve relations, and experts say an escalation is unlikely.
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I strongly believe that we have to fought final war with India to get the Kashmir frree
from Brahamins
because the people who make "pooja" of animals and consider human beings "untouchable" or "inferior" does not have sense of modern world
all other people have been made slaves of brahamins and unable to challange the brahamins
So Pakistan should work on to mliberate the all oppressed nations of India
There are many other options to resolve Kashmir's and LoC's issue rather than peace talks and negotiations as Indian air chief said in his interview.Then why the other options are not being used by the Indians and in case of peace talks' and negotiations' failure on Kashmir's and LoC's issues we also have other options and we are fully prepared to use the other options to resolve the Kashmir's and LoC's issues with India so that without wasting any more time on peace talks and negotiations the Kashmir's and LoC's issues could be resolved at least now because 65 years have been wasted on the peace talks and negotiations on Kashmir's and LoC's issues between Pakistan and India...
Those who are now in denial about the caste system are simply denying the basic tenet of Hinduism.......again, why do the words Dalit, still exist in India? Why won't you (upper castes) let your sisters marry Dalits? Like I said, the Indian PR machine is busy creating a Mythical India......a tranquil, peace loving, justice-for-all country. When the reality can not be farther from the truth. The danger is, Indians have themselves started believing this myth.
Wrong is wrong, does not matter who commits it. What is irritating is the higher moral ground Indians try and take in these discussions. They are living a farce, and have zero credibility.
@Lala Gee: "Isn’t the caste system one of be basic principles of Hinduism? It is like declaring “Prayers” in Islam illegal"
Caste system was mentioned in Manu Smriti which was a social doctrine not a religious one. The 3 books that Hindus refer to are The Bhagvad Geeta, Brahmasutras and the Vedas. Also caste system has to do with people's profession but in Manu Smriti there is no evidence that birth should determine profession ruling out scope for upward mobility based on effort.
Your analogy therefore is not accurate.
“Like you guys reacted in 1984 Sikh massacre and Gujrat, Bombay, and Ayodhiya massacres of Muslims". None of these incidents have any relevance to the Indo-Pak situation.
@Ali : "gp 65 and Indianss
Remember ! Pakistani will fight till the day of judgement for truth and rights of Muslims all over the WORLD"
Good to know. By the way are Pakistani Muslims being killed by your non-state actors who are now out of control, amongst those whose rights you fight for?
@Lala Gee: I can give evidence that untouchability is not part of sanatan Dharma,but since your mind is closed with your bigoted vision of Hinduism...it will be as helpful as pouring water on the head of a buffalo...
Sanatan Dharma,one of the oldest religion has evidences of existence back till 6000BC and caste system isnt mentioned anywhere till Manusmriti written in 1500 BC...Even in that,there is no mention of untouchability (Please provide references if u feel otherwise)
Untouchability was practiced by the power hungry high class people of those era and thats the reason,it was so easy to pass a law to ban untouchability....
Besides,calling untouchability as a principle of Hinduism is like calling Belly-dancing a principle of islam....
BTW,you will once again come up with a false,bigotted view of Hinduism once again....Its like playing chess with my dog...He doesnt understand it no matter how much I teach him and in the end knock the pieces and goes off..
@joy: Surely it must be investigated ,but until now its one word against another .
Find a mechanism to unearth the truth joint investigation or third party investigation what ever suits.
The point is that the problems will surface in some way or the other as it does not suit many groups on either sides to have normal relations , thats why its important to find a way out otherwise we will be moving in circles.
Indina must understand clearly that a stable Pakistan is crucial for India like stable Afghanistan is crucial for Pakistan and we are paying the price of unsettled neighbour, and perhaps are are buffer for India. India should have a vested interest in the stability of Pakistan ,thats the way we look at the situation.
@gp65 .:
"Untouchability is illegal in India. Even using the word untouchable is illegal."
Isn't the caste system one of be basic principles of Hinduism? It is like declaring "Prayers" in Islam illegal.
gp 65 and Indianss
Remember ! Pakistani will fight till the day of judgement for truth and rights of Muslims all over the WORLD
gp 65''
its nice to hear these affirmatives but still India and Pakistan both need to do justice while dealing each other and does not exploit the sufferings of each others
As Pakistani we feel that India have done gross injustices to Pakistan since the birth of both the Nations
As regards Kashmir, its in realty and truth an issue where Kashmiri peoples' wishes matters not the Indian constitution, if Indian constitution pass amendment to include Pakistan or some other country under Indian supemacy, does it be legitimate, not at all,
How a unlawful fake maharaja and fake documents prove that Kashmir is part of India
Kashmir is part of Pakistan and will be under Pakistani controlled one day because
We are not afraid of any one except Allah and we wish well being of all the humankind
Being logicall India should handover Hyderabad, junthgarh and other states to Pakistan if the wishes of Maharajas matters because Maharajas of these States were legitimate rulers of the states and not the traitors of Punjab /Sikh Kindom as was fake maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir
God bless all of us
@gp65.:
"India would REACT aggressively IF Pakistan PROVOKED."
Like you guys reacted in 1984 Sikh massacre and Gujrat, Bombay, and Ayodhiya massacres of Muslims.
@Say What?: "@gp65.: Ha ha, Bro just because we have far less per ca pita writers compare to India does not mean we are dumb too." gp65 is a sis, for your information! No, we don't force them into a coffin! For the rest, trust me, you are dumb! Else why would Pakistan be in such deep, dangerous waters, friendless, abhorred by every country in the world now including China and Saudi! No one even wants to talk to you or have you visit him/her. When was the last time any Pakistani leader went to Beijing or to Mecca to perform umrah?
@Nauman how illogical you are... even if there are many atrocities committed in other countries... it doesn't give any right to pakistanis to cross other countries borders. they should know to stay in theirs pant.
and don't worry. the world heard your same mantra before i.e. 26/11, obl.
@Nauman:
We Know that India is running a massive campaign of maligning Pakistan internationally (like we need help)
We don't have to do that buddy....your own people are doing this job very nicely....For instance, go through the Pakistani citizen Tahawwur Rana's sentencing, which happened in US which is still there in ET, you will come to know about it......
Look, all of you that have been complaining about the alleged beheading of your soldier.....isn't it true that you burn your dead? Then isn't that also mutilation of the dead body? In fact, I hear that you use cow dung as a fuel....now that has to be the worst insult to a dead body....being burnt on cow dung!
@gp65 The problem with you is that you are blind to the atrocities committed in India against Indian citizens. They are done in the name of caste, they are done in the name of religion, they are done in the name of politics. If your intention is to prove to the world that Indians are victims again, even when they started the firing first, then I don't think you will succeed. This story is more difficult to sell then the myth of bollywood-talent. India always tries to take the high ground via their media machine......Pakistanis need to get better at it.
You must believe in the mantra....repeat a lie often enough and it gets accepted as the truth.
@Ali: "Brahamins that is the problem which is root cause of all isuues among India and its neighbours." You have got the cart backwards. The probems in this world are Muslims. Wherever they reside and whatever country - there are problems. They just cannot integrate into society with other religions. Even in 100% muslim countries - they start killing each other on the basis of sect.
@ozair mustafa: " Indian Public should understand that Pakistani people want excellent relations , but have to be with respect and dignity.Other problems will be solved with passage of time" well said Sir, but would you please enlighten me if beheading shows respect and dignity.?
Indian think tank is playing pressure game; they have successfully dragged Pakistan since 26/11 no matter whoever was reasonable. It’s our fault that after each incident regardless of designed by us or not, we started providing excuses and cover-up, whereas there should be continuity in the events making the recipient familiar with. There are some rules of enmity, never let the enemy get relaxed. If you spank enemy after a long period, he will react in hostile manner, therefore, its better keep giving shocks with short intervals. There is huge interval between 26/11 and Jan-2013, that’s why hue and cry is more than expected. This time we spare you don’t do it again, is a preemptive slogan of cowards!!
@Pakistani in US: you came to untouchable frm pakistan's midnight story drama announcement?? i can show you thousand more examples in pakistan relating such social things.
Indian think that everything is a movie ,One hero and one is the villian things don't happen that way. I am really surprised with Indian Public reactions , hopefully its a monority one.
Pakistan has too much on the plate to think about India, so in priority the Indian question is way down the list.
But the Indian Public should understand that Pakistani people want excellent relations , but have to be with respect and dignity.Other problems will be solved with passage of time.
@Ali: You seems like a big fan of Zaid Hamid and General Gul. Keep it up, there should be bit of comedy in serious matters too.
@Falcon: There hasnt been a single shot fired between India and China From last 50 years, inspite of having big territorial disputes. In This case Pakistan just cant understand the emotions of Indians because beheading is 'business as usual' in Pakistan. And not only this time, Pakistan always responds with great maturity, just denies everything.
@Ali: "India even todays’ world have “untouchables”. Brutality against every other human who does not agree with the Brahamins’ false myths"
Untouchability is illegal in India. Even using the word untouchable is illegal. The castes that were once considered untouchable are today beneficiaries of affirmative action in terms of scholarships and reservations in top Indian institutions, quotas in government jobs and als quotas in promotion upto a certain point within government jobs.
As for Brahmins lording over rest of Indians. Please tell me how many of the 29 Chief Ministers of India are Brahmins?
It may be fastionable in India to blame Pakistan, but its Pakistan's state policy first to commit the crime and then not own it when caught and eventually admit it. It happened in Kargil, then Mumbai attacks and then OBL and now this. Its your actions that make world blame you. Time you looked in the mirror and figure out what's wrong. Its not too difficult.
@Nauman: "This behaeding story, true or not, effectively paints Pakistanis as savages. "
Daniel Pearl was beheaded in Pakistan and people know about it. PAkistan's own soldiers have been beheaded by TTP and videos uploaded on youtube and can be seen in those countries that have not banned youtube on many many occasions eliciting no reaction from people. This gives the impression to any observer that beheading appears to be acceptable in Pakistan but not elsewhere. None of that was done by India. SO this story does not say anything knew that was not already known.
"Te Pakistani PR machine is exteremely ineffective. They always play defense to India’s accusations."
Actually Pakistan plays offense but the problem is its credibility. Even in this instance HRK called Indian leadership war mongerers but no one would be able to find a single speech by any government or army leader who used the word war. She even went and described Manmohan Singh as being personally corrupt - something that even the most ardent BJP supported would not claim. Indian leadership simply stuck to facts and did not make any personal comments.
Pakistan has nothing to do with Pakistan!
@Prakash Wow I can't believe you are giving these sweeping statements on a Pakistani website. Pretty ridiculous but then again reacting irrationally seems to be becoming an indian trait.
Dear all
Pakistan is a truth and India -------------------------------
India even todays' world have "untouchables".
Brutality against every other human who does not agree with the Brahamins' false myths
Brahamins even today's world preach "pooja" of animals that God has created for human service.
India is for Brahamins' only and every other person whatever, they are Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christains are considered thier salaves by Brahamins that is the problem which is root cause of all isuues among India and its neighbours.
@Falcon: Yes, that makes sense. They should concentrate on the country that they aren't receiving injuries, casualties and threats from. What are they doing by thinking to direct military muscle in the direction of hostiles? That's just cruel to the soldiers who most certainly don't have protecting the borders from such things in their job descriptions. The insanity!
@Ammar Khan "The only Indian paper that has some journalism integrity is The Hindu."
I don't think you have read Deccan Herald. Its editorials are much more mature than the Hindu.
Times of India is the worst of all. No wonder it is No.1 English Daily. So is Times News. Whenever I look at the face of Arnab, it makes me angrier than I used to get at the face and voice of Meher Bulhari.
Te Pakistani PR machine is exteremely ineffective. They always play defense to India's accusations. We need a strong PR machne that gets the Pakistani story out before Indians do. We Know that India is running a massive campaign of maligning Pakistan internationally (like we need help). This behaeding story, true or not, effectively paints Pakistanis as savages. If we had a strong military and civilian leadership, they would be looking after the nation.
I have to agree with him.
What has happened has happened. Pakistan should be forced to do an internal inquiry into the beheading and the rhetorics should come down.
One point is true. Each of us cannot wish another away. So,, no matter how difficult it is, work it out.
@Falcon: Please quote a single government leader or armed forces leader who used the word war. Also talking about Indian reaction without taking into consideration Pakistani actions is pointless.
@gp65.: Ha ha, Bro just because we have far less per ca pita writers compare to India does not mean we are dumb too.
I suppose we are lucky he did not say the Indian Army itself is the perpetrator! Or, perhaps, that line has been reserved for their Interior Minister, Mr Rehman.
“Pakistan bashing has become fashionable” in India. It started when ten fashion designers from Pakistan arrived in Mumbai - but the show they put up wasn't much appreciated by Indian public. In future Mr. Bashir, remember - Pakistan and fashion do not go together in any context, anywhere.
@Falcon: " ... On Indian side, I am disappointed to say that from PM to Army Chief to celebrities have all acted as if it was one big soap opera. ... "
But looks like it had the desired effort.
“Pakistan bashing has become fashionable” in India. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ why did this fashion not emerge during Kargil, the Parliament attack, 26/11? This is one fashion that should saty.
“I think it is important not to let this cycle escalate into something which becomes even uglier than it is today,” ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ A beheading and mutilation of soldiers bodies is hard to beat in terms of ugliness.
@Falcon: China does not behead Indian Soldiers ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hope u understand the difference.
@gp65.: India would REACT aggressively IF Pakistan PROVOKED.....well, that goes for Pakistan too, and that's exactly what we(Army or not) did; REACT to the very first incident
Indian is trying to become the South Asian USA with the most poorest nation of the world. SHame
@Falcon Thanks for saying it loud and clear.
Unfortunately how Pakistanis have become numb to the violence around them (a coping mechanism), Indians have become numb to sensationalism and war-mongering that goes on in their media. It's almost as if the media there doesn't know the basic ethics of reporting. Not that Pakistani media is not guilty of this, but being a neutral observer Indian media crossed all limits of agenda driven sensationalism to gain TRP.
@Ammar Khan: Thanks for advice, before offering advce bro, cure yourself
Hope the moderators let this through. None of my posts get through moderators.
Salman Bashir has said in this interview that they are ready to probe and has also not talked about the UN groups involvement. HRK has also offered talks. Why has Pakistan suddenly mellowed down now? Bashir says that Indians should not look upon Pakistani's as inhuman or insensitive people, but all actions, words & silence by Pakistani's when it comes to India point that Pakistani's are insenstive and inhuman.
Not sure, what is there to talk with Pakistan.
@Falcon: "If India has such a strong military muscle, they should consider exercising it with China rather than posturing with a much smaller neighbor."
India does not believe in ever starting a war. As I have mentioned in an earlier post, not one Indian leader from the government or armed forces used the word 'war'.
I have to say that this time around, Pakistan has handled the issue with much more maturity than India. On Indian side, I am disappointed to say that from PM to Army Chief to celebrities have all acted as if it was one big soap opera. If India has such a strong military muscle, they should consider exercising it with China rather than posturing with a much smaller neighbor.
Thank to Star Plus type Indian news media... everything in India is sensationalized to limits. The only Indian paper that has some journalism integrity is The Hindu.
So to all Indian friends, CALM DOWN BRO !
Pakistan has nothing to do with LOC firing, nothing to do with 26/11, nothing to do with OBL in Abotabad, nothing to do with Haqqani group...the list goes on. Truth is the biggest causality in Pakistan.
Pakistan stand is full of internal contradictions. "Bashir said India could have worked with Pakistan to get to the bottom of what happened instead of “stirring raw emotions and upping the rhetoric”,
Well what was there for India to work with when "The high commissioner told Reuters stuck to Pakistan’s policy statement on the killings of soldiers on the Indian side of Line of Control (LoC), that divides Kashmir, that Pakistani troops had nothing to do with them".
Also a few days back HRK had very arrogantly said that she would not bother to respond to the billion people of India. Well, the foreign minister of India whom she wants to speak to knows very well that he represents the billion people of India.
Finally "Pakistani High Commissioner to India Salman Bashir said in an interview with Reuters. “Let’s try to see if we can cool down and resume normal business.”
Well... Indians do not consider beheading of a soldier as normal business. This is why our PM has already said there will be no business as usual. What part of that did you not understand Mr. Bashir when you talked about resuming normal business?
Separately HRK accused Indian leadership of war mongering when the word 'war' was not uttered by a single Indian leader - not the PM, not the defence minister, not the foreign minister, not the COAS nor the Air Chief. The most aggressive statement was by the COAS and even he only said that India would REACT aggressively IF Pakistan PROVOKED.