Mumbai attack anniversary: India tells Pakistan to put off Malik's visit

Published: November 19, 2012

Rehman Malik was due to attend India for the opreationalisation of the new visa regime. PHOTO: PID/FILE

NEW DELHI: India has asked Pakistan to cancel plans for interior minister Rehman Malik to visit New Delhi later this week to attend the operationalisation ceremony for the new Indo-Pak visa agreement, The Indian Express reported.

Though New Delhi has cited the coming winter session of Parliament this week since home minister Sushilkumar Shinde would be busy being the leader of Lok Sabha, as the reason for its inability to host Malik. Though some experts suggest Islamabad’s failure to punish those involved in Mumbai 2008 appears to be the key reason.

Sources said since the fourth anniversary of the Mumbai terror attack falls three days after the proposed visit of the Pakistani leader, and Home Ministry officials seem to have advised against hosting Malik.

Malik has been accused of failing to keep his promises on acting against perpetrators of the 2008 Mumbai terror attack which claimed 166 lives.

Trial against Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) commander Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi and six other accused of Mumbai attacks case at a Rawalpindi court has been very ‘slow’ and New Delhi’s request for voice samples of handlers of the terrorists was yet to be acceded by Islamabad and LeT founder Hafiz Saeed continues to roam freely in Pakistan, they said.

“Under such a situation, it is not prudent to host the Pakistani Interior Minister on the eve of the fourth anniversary of 26/11 attack,” sources said.

The message was conveyed to Pakistan through diplomatic channels. India has not yet suggested new dates for Rehman’s visit.

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Reader Comments (59)

  • Hasan
    Nov 19, 2012 - 9:45PM

    dont understand why are we still dragging feet with this… even our establishment have now openly declared that these were our people, trained by us and were send to mumbai… why dont punish them and move ahead? why are we protecting snakes within our homes?

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  • indian
    Nov 19, 2012 - 9:57PM

    oh yesssssssssssssss…………….they r meant to be treated this way……………

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  • Asif Butt
    Nov 19, 2012 - 10:01PM

    Back to square one !

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  • Outsider
    Nov 19, 2012 - 10:08PM

    Yes, please stay away.

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  • Hairaan
    Nov 19, 2012 - 10:15PM

    What’s in the anniversaries anyway?

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  • Naeem Ch
    Nov 19, 2012 - 10:16PM

    Good for this joker to stay away.

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  • jj
    Nov 19, 2012 - 10:20PM

    They AFRAID he not advise their Interior Minister “BAN ON MOBILE PHONE AND BIKES” to avoid terrorisim.

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  • Hella1
    Nov 19, 2012 - 10:40PM

    Maybe Indians are scared that Malik will arrive with his own team of 10, to celebrate the anniversary in proper fashion.

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  • indian
    Nov 19, 2012 - 10:58PM

    hail the decision………..pakistan has consistently been evading its duties,pretending being oblivious to the attacks carried out from its soil……they deserve this treatment………..

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  • Nov 19, 2012 - 11:10PM

    Dont worry sir, the (third) force is with you. Also can anyone tell me what are force 1 and force 2?

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  • maestro
    Nov 19, 2012 - 11:45PM

    As a Pakistani I really want to ask the gov’t – WHY is convicting the perps behind the mumbai attacks taking SO LONG??? Why are we breeding snakes in our own yard?? WHY???

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  • Sexton Blake
    Nov 19, 2012 - 11:49PM

    I can see the the Mumbai blame game going on for decades. That way the Indian Government can conveniently forget that they refused to allow a Pakistan delegation to question Indian officials involved in the incident. The whole reason for the Pakistan visit was to get to the bottom of what really happened, but India refused to cooperate. I think the Indian Government want to keep the Mumbai disaster smouldering for as long as they can, and this way they can keep pointing an accusing finger at Pakistan. The bottom line is that we do not know what happened and India is not helping the peace process.

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  • iPhone
    Nov 19, 2012 - 11:51PM

    In the word of Kelso from That 70′s Show: “BURN!!!!!” :P

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  • Bala
    Nov 20, 2012 - 12:18AM

    @Sexton Blake:

    Facts : Paksitan Commission came to India and recorded all statements from Indian officials & Judges etc. But Pakistan’s great mighty Supreme Court rejected these as evidence saying Pakistan Commission did not cross examine the officials. What a waste of time!, Pakistan made India go through all the motions and then in the end said those cannot be accepted as evidence!

    Pakistan is dragging its feet, India and International community have leaverage over Pakistan to expedite the process. But Pakistan’s Image will never get cleaned as long as Justice is not done.

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  • Romm
    Nov 20, 2012 - 12:45AM

    Its Called Aman Ki Asha……..

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  • Nov 20, 2012 - 12:52AM

    @Hairaan:reminds us of the way we were humiliated, attacked, abused etc etc- please Mr Malik our hearts are bruised wait some more time.

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  • realist
    Nov 20, 2012 - 12:58AM

    What a snub!

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  • Singh
    Nov 20, 2012 - 1:06AM

    @Sexton Blake:
    Read the news again & see time line. It is not decade. Rest you can watch 26/11 on you tube.Recommend

  • Rowdy R
    Nov 20, 2012 - 1:07AM

    @Sexton Blake:
    “You don’t know what happened”, seriously?, the whole thing was on TV; unless it was blocked by GoP without a valid reason as usual. The deal was that Pakistani delegation would question only prosecutors, not the accused. Please go back in time and check out news reports about it, unless you are being sarcastic.

    PS: stop thinking, it is bad for your health.

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  • Asif Butt
    Nov 20, 2012 - 2:10AM

    @Dr Priyanka:

    India was attacked and abused , no doubt. And Its an unforgivable or utmost punishable deed, no doubt.

    But please , dont use the word humiliated. We are the people of the East. We are spiritual , regardless of the religion. We cannot be humiliated. Because we never lose spirit , unlike the material and selfish west. It is only becuase of the western selfish humiliation that nations fought world wars. But we are not like them .

    We Pakistanis (and Mr Malik) will not come to your country if you dis-approve or forbid us so gravely.

    But it will not change some facts. The facts are simply as follows :

    Indians will never forget the hurt of Mumbai Attacks as a victimn.

    Pakistan will never forget the in-humanity of the Mumbai Attacks because you have
    blamed us for the loss of precious lives.

    NO-ONE KNOWS WHO WAS BEHIND IT.

    Face it or not , up to us …

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  • Nov 20, 2012 - 2:16AM

    @Sexton Blake: look in youtube and you will see for yourself. The whole world knows and you donot know!

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  • gp65
    Nov 20, 2012 - 3:07AM

    @Hasan, , @Maestro – Thank you for your sensitivity.
    @Sexton Blake : Indian governemnt allowed cross -examination of all stakeholders that were agreed to. Meeting Kasab was out of scope from day 1 and was therefore not permitted.
    For those Pakistanis that talk about proof, frankly since the attack was planned in Pakistan, the bulk of the investigation and proofs should be found in Pakistan by Pakistani government. Indian government has however provided enough information and named based on testimony of Abu Hamza who was a trainer, Daood Gilani who was involved in recceing the sites and ofcourse Kasab who was part of the execution team. Plus there have been wiretaps, voice samples and other proofs also provided. Ultimately though the burden of proof should be with Pakistani government not Indian one.

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  • Arindom
    Nov 20, 2012 - 3:49AM

    Malik might ban cycles, mobiles, bikes, cars, trains and boats in Bombay to fight terrorism- better keep him away…

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  • Nov 20, 2012 - 3:57AM

    @Hella1: Indians scared of Who? For your info people died in Mumbai! what fashion are you talking about?

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  • indian
    Nov 20, 2012 - 4:04AM

    @Asif Butt: dude, what more proof do you need?.. All 10 who were killed were Pakistani.. Ajmal Kasab only lone survivor gave all information about planning.. Abu jundal deported from Saudi Arabia has a pakistani passport and has named the people involved in planning and execution of mumbai attacks.. last week, your own security officials admitted in court that people of LeT were involved (with names of people and places of training).. What more proof do you need that there are snakes roaming in Pakistan!! I think people like you just want to remain ignorant of your duties..

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  • jayverma
    Nov 20, 2012 - 4:06AM

    @Sexton Blake:
    hahahaha……
    You have got very good sense of humor.

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  • robinhoodpande
    Nov 20, 2012 - 5:16AM

    @asif butt
    “no one knows who was behind it”

    By “no one” do u mean only u or people of other countries ?

    Though late but Even many pakistani have accepted the truth.

    Even ur govt has acknowledged the truth officialy that all the 10 attackers were indeed pakistani..

    Even geo tv showed kasabs village and it was first to acknowledge the truth…isnt geo tv a pakistani news channel?

    David headly,rana,abu hamza,kasab…all are fake and are part of CONSPIRACY THEORY…right?

    If u had read the article ‘owning up mumbai attack’ published on ET by a pakistani gentleman.it could have increased ur limited pool of information..i think its still available u can read it

    There is a nice saying.”you can wake up only a sleeping person not the person who is faking to sleep”

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  • robinhoodpande
    Nov 20, 2012 - 5:43AM

    @hasan and maestro

    thanx..i appreciate ur comments..pakistanis like u are a big hope for a better pakistan…….i m happy to see that u want snakes out of ur house….UNLIKE SOME OTHER PAKISTANIS WHO DENY THE VERY EXISTANCE OF SNAKE AND LIVE WITH THEM…i think this snake has already bitten pakistan…the poor condition of pak both internally and internationaly is mainly due to this snake(extremism)..still there is time if not controlled pak is on verge of being a failed state..

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  • numbersnumbers
    Nov 20, 2012 - 6:43AM

    For a detailed history of the Mumbai terrorist attack, please go to Wikipedia and do a search for “26/11″ and you will be directed there. A full list of all ten of the Pakistani terrorists along with their Pakistani hometowns is posted there, along with a detailed timeline of events and other players involved in this event. Anyone who disagrees with that detailed report is free to sign onto Wikipedia and offer “corrections”!

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  • mr. righty rightist
    Nov 20, 2012 - 7:18AM

    Proof that Pakistan is maturing : No mention of Samjhauta in the comments section.

    Perhaps Pakistanis understand now that Samjhauta express explosion took place on Indian soil and the criminals behind it are already behind bars. India honestly carried out an investigation without any international pressure.

    So perhaps Pakistanis have begun to grow some common sense after all.

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  • mr. righty rightist
    Nov 20, 2012 - 7:32AM

    Rehman Malik : Don’t come to India.

    Pakistan cricket : Welcome to India. Greedy corrupt arrogant selfish BCCI has to make millions and millions.

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  • Muhammard Rizwan Ali
    Nov 20, 2012 - 7:48AM

    Malik should not go to India any more

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  • syed baqar ahsan
    Nov 20, 2012 - 8:13AM

    when we were in American club we force to agitate Indians now India/USA are friends Indians are doing the same but we are under pressure as usual from Americans-we have poor diplomacy skill. No need for Rehman to visit let aman ki asha have pause because it is to there advantage we are skill less to cash.

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  • Sexton Blake
    Nov 20, 2012 - 8:25AM

    @gp65:
    Dear gp65 and others,
    I will not repeat what I have already said, but extending my argument I have noticed that some people, world-wide, have a tendency to believe the news media and their government officials. Unfortunately, any similarity to the truth emanating from the aforementioned groups is almost always coincidental.
    It is rarely mentioned in India why a senior police, investigating the Mumbai disaster was mysteriously killed, or why a US intelligence person departed from India very quickly after the incident.
    However, we have had to endure a 64 year war of words between Pakistan and India, and I am not saying who is the major culprit, but India is intensifying the hatred since Mumbai. I think Indians do not realize what happens when a crime is committed, but in most countries police officers in the jurisdiction where the crime happened are responsible for producing evidence which brings the guilty party to book. India is turning legal responsibility completely around and requesting that the alleged guilty party produce relevant evidence. It never happens. I think we have to move on and attempt to improve relations between Pakistan/India, but I have a bad feeling it will not happen. Sixty four year old emotions are running too high.

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  • Polpot
    Nov 20, 2012 - 9:26AM

    Its not merely the visit that needs to be postponed
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Its also the nonoperational of the Visa Agreement.

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  • Asif Butt
    Nov 20, 2012 - 10:03AM

    @robinhoodpande:
    @indian: and @ ALL INDIANS

    First of all I must make it clear that I consider this to be a very grave topic.

    Because the Mumbai attacks were very heart breaking for us Pakistanis too.
    And it is not fair to argue with you Indians considering the loss and wrong doing which you guys have had to tolerate so far.

    Secondly I didnt find it odd or wrong for India to not be ready for Maliks visit during this week atleast , after all there are things called sentiments and memorials.

    But you guys r taking the wrong impression here. Theres a difference between denying the truth and waiting for the truth to uncover.

    You guys are assuming that when people like me say let the proof be completed we mean to live in denial. I dont blame you for your assumptions , but then its never sure whether this hatred is most recent or traditionaly historic.

    What people like me mean is that we should let justice take its time , IF ITS JUSTICE WHICH WE REQUIRE.

    After all Pakistan is itself recovering from a mal-governance towards proper democracy.

    You guys yourself say that even factions in Pakistans have started to UN-COVER that Pakistani elements were involved.

    Its not just as simple as punishing those who were responsible. Its not just about justice for the Mumbai Attacks. We Pakistanis never wanted such a thing to happen. And we have to make sure that we get a grip over it. When the culprit is someone in your own family , one has to be very careful to nail it once and for all.

    So please try to understand that there is something bigger to be achieved.

    DONT LOSE THE FOREST FOR THE TREE

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  • Conspiracy Theorist
    Nov 20, 2012 - 10:23AM

    This incident reminds me how weak Great India’s defense system is. We didnt need to spend billions of dollor in nuclear program. (Going by indian version)

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  • Asif Butt
    Nov 20, 2012 - 1:45PM

    @Conspiracy Theorist:
    Spoken like a true conspirator…

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  • Clear Black Bag
    Nov 21, 2012 - 10:13AM

    ***Why Rehman Malik is dying for Indian visit and wants to be the uninvited guest whereas Indian leaders are emphasizing on the cancellation of Rehman Malik’s India’s tour?????
    India has never been playing the sincere and honest role in resolving the burning and core issues with Pakistan except using delaying tactics and lame excuses to prolong the issues’ solutions’ procedures on the name of fake peace talks/negotiations any where……***Recommend

  • Yash
    Nov 21, 2012 - 5:35PM

    @Clear Black Bag:
    @Sexton Blake

    i suppose it was pakistan which has the judges changed 6 times for 26/11 case….it was pakistan which delayed the judicial commission’s visit by over a year….it was pakistan which rejected all the evidence presented to it…it was pakistan which denied everything but later accepted that kasab was pakistani…

    i can raise thounsands of more powerful questions….can u answer them??

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  • Sexton Blake
    Nov 21, 2012 - 6:44PM

    @Yash:
    Dear Yash,
    You may well be right. However, over the last sixty odd years many thousands of innocent people have been killed as a result of India/Pakistan not being able to get along with each other. There is never any justice in people being killed by emotional , political idealists, but it happens so get used to it. The perpetrators of the 26/11 crimes are now dead so this is to some extent an indication that justice has been served. You and I will never know what happened on 26/11, because Governments are not very interested in the truth, but if it satisfies you to believe that one country should shoulder the complete blame then do so. It will not undue the tragedy and 166 people will still have left us. It is 4 years since this terrorist incident happened, and there may well be wicked people, who organized it, still moving about freely, but I doubt that they will be brought to justice. It is my opinion that investigations should be laid to rest, which I think they have, we should move on, and stop lashing out at each other.

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  • MrIndianAtheist
    Nov 21, 2012 - 7:22PM

    @Asif Butt: Can you answer few simple questions?
    1. Why Pakistan government needed 4 months to admit that Kasab was pakistani national even after geo television and Nawaj Sharif admitted to it in first week?
    2. Why was Mr Durrani fired for admitting that Kasab was Pakistani?
    3. How can a banned outfit named JUD openly take donations, arrange rallies showing their flags and take active participation in political debate by sending their spokesperson on tv Media debate
    and try to openly influence foreign policy of Pakistan?

    The perception of Indians about the sincerity of Pakistani Government is greatly influenced by possible answers to these questions.

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  • Asif Butt
    Nov 22, 2012 - 1:16AM

    @MrIndianAtheist:

    Thank you for your attention.
    I appreciate that your concern and questions are objective and to the point.

    But I am not an advocate of the terrorists nor do I have any interest in defending whomever your government wants to accuse as involved. I dont think the answers to your questions will make any difference.

    What will make a difference is for both of us to have access to each others legal system , to have co-operation in between our minister-ies.

    I mean if your journalists/reporters have had access to Kasabs hometown , wouldnt that have been handy in finding out the truth ?

    If your police/investigators would have had immediate access and local correspondence into Pakistani territory , wouldnt that have mattered & made a difference?

    The problem is that we do not want to set foot into each others territory . Are we cats and dogs ?

    History always wants to repeat itself. But we can make sure that it does not , by having the right sort of relationship and mutual resolutions.

    Things have happened everywhere in the world , not just in between India/Pakistan.

    But I am afraid you already know the answers to your questions. I dont want to give importance or emphasis to the Pakistani Entities which you question about.

    You know there are even more dangerous entities withing our country and society , mostly foreign aided , which we Pakistanis worry about. And I am talking about those entities which can effect India as well.

    Please dont wonder why or how . The true foundation lies in the “WHAT” s which we should resolve.

    The Pakistani government is a fledgling. It was never stable enough. We as Pakistanis realize that , and try to think from grass-root levels.

    B.t.w , I did wonder why you are an atheist ? ( NRI perhaps …)

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  • Clear Black Bag
    Nov 22, 2012 - 11:16AM

    @Yash:i suppose it was pakistan which has the judges changed 6 times for 26/11 case….it was pakistan which delayed the judicial commission’s visit by over a year….it was pakistan which rejected all the evidence presented to it…it was pakistan which denied everything but later accepted that kasab was pakistani…
    i can raise thounsands of more powerful questions….can u answer them?

    Just answer one question instead of thousands questions,id est,why Indian leaders didn’t allow Pakistani investigation agencies’ personnels to meet Ajmal Qasab to run and complete the investigation towards the most exact direction for true justice????
    And as far as you this stance/standpoint is concerned “it was pakistan which rejected all the evidence presented to it” then all the provided proofs were recorded not in the documented forms and recorded evidences any time may be re-recorded or voice can be changed easily by using the voice-changing technology…..

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  • Sexton Blake
    Nov 22, 2012 - 9:27PM

    @Clear Black Bag:
    Dear Clear Black Bag,
    I quite agree with you. The Pakistan Mumbai Commission was not given all the cooperation from India one would consider essential for an investigation of this type. Additionally, there are some disturbing aspects in regard to what happened on the day of 26/11, the way Ajmal Kasab was subsequently treated in regard to presumption of innocence, legal and physical protection, interrogation, and many other points which are essential to carrying out a fair trial. Also what were the doubtful reasons for not allowing the Pakistani Mumbai Commission to fully carry out their investigation, and these would include not being allowed to ask Indian officials some difficult questions, which apparently were not fully answered, if at all. Although legal matters in a case like this can be quite complex, there are still many question which need to be answered. Additionally, even after a 10,000 word dissertation it would be difficult to adequately explore all the aspects of this case which have left a feeling that perhaps justice was not adequately served, both in regard to Ajmal Kasab, what actually happened prior to and after the Mumbai attack, and the actual investigation into the whole affair, in which many aspect have been omitted or not satisfactorily explained. I think people should understand that in this case various investigating bodies, including, overseas foreigners were involved, and many of them, if any, are not obliged to fully divulge their findings.

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  • MrIndianAtheist
    Nov 22, 2012 - 10:12PM

    @Asif Butt: I appreciate your effort to reply to my comment and the sincerity shown by you for improved relations between India and Pakistan.But ground reality is very very adverse to achieve what you wish.
    The questions I raised, clearly point toward inability and/or lack of sincerity for current Pakistani government setup which include civilian government and establishment. Clearly no government can go and act entirely against wish of the people they govern and I think government of Pakistan is only doing what it thinks people of Pakistan wants.
    I am not saying people of Pakistan wants to send mass murderers to India, but they certainly want to see a return of golden period of Islam that they have been taught in schools or learned from elders. I think the population of people asking for complete sharia for Pakistan is ever increasing and soon will be in majority(this is my analysis from all the news videos I have been watching of Pakistani channels on youtube and in express tribune). Sooner or later a rightist government is going to be in power in Pakistan and experiment of complete sharia will be tried to a large extent and all the ill effects of it will be experienced. Which means conditions in Pakistan is going to get even worse for next 15-20 years unless some magic happens.
    People of Pakistan will certainly condemn L-e-T for Mumbai attacks but then they will support and fund same and similar organisations for Jihad in Kashmir. If they dont want to condemn L-e-T/JuD, they will take help of a conspiracy theory. Any conspiracy theory involving Indian RAW and foreign hand sells like anything in Pakistani today.
    In such an environment India will be at loosing end in short term(for 15-20 years) if it allows free and easy cross border movement. We will end up importing a lot of extremist ideology to Indian muslims.
    I think India should be realistic in its relationship with Pakistan. Post partition population transfer that was advised by Dr. Ambedkar should be taken up so that minorities on both sides which are not happy living as minority can change once for better. This will help diminish conservative movements on both sides(surely on Indian side).
    Cross border terrorism will surely continue for a long time but it is not India’s problem alone and hence India should not spend too much of its energy in trying to solve this problem from grass root on its own. Instead energy should be spent on removing intolerance that has been spreading in muslims and hindus is some parts of India.
    Pakistan government has a very poor record of punishing terrorists that have killed Pakistanis on Pakistani soil. It is too much for India to expect that Pakistan will punish terrorists that have killed Indians. The dream of joint investigation is nowhere in sight.
    On other issues we should keep talking till we can get some ground results.

    I know that you will see a lot of negativity in this comment but it is based on current reality and not on some distant dream.

    And finally, I am not NRI. I am born, brought up and working in Mumbai. I am an atheist by choice. It may be a news for you but atheist are probably fastest growing minority in India.

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  • Asif Butt
    Nov 22, 2012 - 11:29PM

    @MrIndianAtheist:

    Thank you for your sincere reply.

    I dont want to be typical . No use carrying on our meaningful conversation. We Indian/Pakistanis cannot maintain a very lengthy dialogue :).

    Lets hope that time proves better for the both of us.

    I pray to ALLAH that you Indians may have all that you rightfully desire .

    You have been kind enough , thank you .

    Khuda Hafiz

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  • Deb;India
    Nov 27, 2012 - 1:25PM

    @Asif Butt

    DONT LOOSE THE FOREST FOR THE TREE.

    Appreciate the sincerity of your post. I have never believed, nor I will ever believe that 180 million people are all criminals or have a criminal bent of mind. I am sure there are well meaning Pakistanis who sincerely want an improved relation with India. It is just that the task is difficult, but that should not be a reason to give up hope and stop trying.

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  • Asif Butt
    Nov 27, 2012 - 5:19PM

    @Deb;India:

    Whenever people meet and talk to each other , they tend to respect each other since its human tendency to appreciate and respect and encourage.

    Our problem is that we dont want to face each other. Though still we cant be blamed for such hostile feelings , but problem is we are NEIGHBOURS. We are not separated by alien land or water. The universe wants us to face each other .

    It is very painful when people think of us as whatever western media shows us to be.

    The truth is that Pakistan is a very modern and liberal country with a religious history/background.

    Any country with religious background ( including India ) has a fair amount of religious extremists.

    Our region is ONLY & ONLY being manipulated & sabotaged by the Western/GLOBAL elements.

    The nation/people of India & Pakistan are God fearing and Human loving people. They were never muderers & they were never exploiters.

    The Mumbai attacks could not have achieved anything , were they planned by us Pakistanis. India is a big country , such a small attack is only a symbol of cowardice or evil. And we are neither evil or cowards.

    Our system lets anyone from any country slip into Pakistan and allows him to move around freely. We need a proper system , but it can not be achieved unless we are at peace.

    Thank you for your post. Its sad that two very colourful nations live next to each other but still they cant visit each other and enjoy moving freely around like the Europeans do.

    Insha ALLAH , with time we shall make things right.

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  • Sexton Blake
    Nov 27, 2012 - 10:33PM

    @Deb;India:
    Dear Deb,
    It is of some comfort to read what you said in regard to Pakistan/Indian friendship or lack of it. It has always been a complete mystery to me why adult people in the sub continent Governments cannot work out a working relationship with each other. It appears reasonably obvious to even a casual observer that it is not convenient to certain people who have the power and the means to solve the problem. We have a similar problem with the Taliban and other groupings. The only way problems will be solved is through negotiation. If leaders do not talk to each other problems are not solved. The Mumbai attacks were a wake up call but the various leaders are using it as a put down of Pakistan rather than how to become friends. To foreign people Indians and Pakistanis look the same and sound the same, but the two groups seem to work at accentuating their differences rather than cooperating. To put the Mumbai disaster into context we should realize that 160 people died. About 800 Indians die every day from TB.

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  • Asif Butt
    Nov 27, 2012 - 11:40PM

    @Sexton Blake:
    You seem to be a well wisher .

    What country do you belong to ? Any experiences related to Pakistan / India ?

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  • Sexton Blake
    Nov 28, 2012 - 7:35AM

    @Asif Butt: “What country do you belong to”
    Dear Asif,
    Although I am absolutely certain that the criminals in the CIA and other intelligence agencies could determine inside a quarter of an hour where I am located if they wished, I will not make it easy for them by answering your question. Just accept that I am a proponent of diplomacy and peace. Something that the sub-continent needs to start working on very hard without all the holier than thou little people criticizing each other when they really do not have a clue as to what is happening other than government handouts.

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  • Asif Butt
    Nov 28, 2012 - 10:26PM

    @Sexton Blake:

    Dear Mr. Blake ,

    May God help you in your cause . It feels good to hear of such neutral views as yours . And its good to realize that there are people other than Indian/Pakistanis who take interest in our civilization and the potential that we hold.

    The Indians are prospering , they had the lions share since the independence/partition. It tends to help make them egoistic and arrogant. Its human nature , had we Pakistanis been so fortunate who knows we could have been even worse in terms of attitude. But the truth is that we are naturally the same and most compatible specially in terms of culture.

    Its that ancient Islam/Hinduism clash which still resides on both sides. If the religious differences are conquered , we can atleast be logically united to make this region a leading global example.

    Thank you for your patient comments , as they seem very en-lightening and caring as well.

    God bless you.

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  • Deb;India
    Nov 29, 2012 - 1:39AM

    @Sexton Blake

    ‘To put the Mumbai disaster into context we should realize that 160 people died. About 800 Indians die every day from TB.’

    In all humility, I beg, repeat beg, to differ. There is no contextual equivalence. There could be 101 reasons as to why 800 Indians die each day from TB. Malnutrition, poor primary health care, unequal distribution of income, lack of commitment from people in power, poor policy design and/or management and so on. But no body, anybody, decides, plans, organise and executes 800 deaths from TB, as if it is some kind of a divine mission.
    On the contrary the 166 people died and about 300 people got injured, because someone somewhere decided to play god, the final arbiter of life and death, and all that in between. At the root of it all, was pure and unbridled HATRED against people whose only fault was having a particular religious and/or national identity. It was murder by design. That’s not the case with victims of TB. To compare a crime as heinous as this with death from TB is to trivialize the seriousness of the issue. I am sure you didn’t mean to.

    ‘If leaders do not talk to each other problems are not solved.’

    This is another myth we all love to indulge in. Leaders do talk to each other, may be more frankly than we will ever know. But these leaders (from both sides) do not appear in a vacuum. It is the people who elect them and as the cliché goes, people get the kind of leaders they deserve. So the problem is with us, within us. Our leaders know our limitations, intellectual as well as spiritual and they play their part accordingly. They know us better than we know ourselves. They know what we will buy and they sell us just that. Acting tough (in speeches at least) resonates with the masses, being judicious doesn’t. Think of any issues, Kashmir, terrorism, trade, liberalized visa regime, even cricket, and you will know what I mean. If we want to have the kind of leaders who can bring positive changes that we dream of, we have to be the agent of that change by changing ourselves in a way so that we don’t fail to see the wood for the trees. We are not yet there. All wounds are healed in time. It did in Europe, in US, in Latin America and it will be healed here too. But whether it will heal during our lifetime, I am not sure.
    As for now, I just wish and pray that no innocent life is lost from an act of terror, in Kashmir or in Karachi, in Mumbai or in Multan or for that matter
    anywhere in the world.

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  • Asif Butt
    Nov 29, 2012 - 2:31AM

    @Deb;India:

    Sir/Madam ,

    You have the perfect attitude ,feeling & vision.

    Thank you for taking out time and writing in our blogs. It is first necessary to be human , rather than Indian/Pakistani or Hindu/Muslim. And that is what you are , purely & innocently human.

    Peace & love.Recommend

  • Sexton Blake
    Nov 29, 2012 - 2:51AM

    @Deb;India:
    Dear Deb,
    I agree with everything you have said, so far, in regard to Indian/Pakistan relations. If you are in disagreement with my last missive you should realize that we are all constrained by the number of words we use, although I have to admit that P.T. are reasonably liberal in how long our contributions can be. Perhaps I should have not mixed the 166 deaths from terror and 800 deaths from TB. However, the latter should not be taken lightly. 300,000 deaths per annum from TB is too many. Further, a huge percentage of Indians suffer from TB. It may be of some concern to you that I have been advised to be very careful when talking to Indians, because the spores from TB are transferred very easily when talking to a friend or anybody else. Apparently, a huge number of Indians are not suffering, but are carriers of TB. Although I am not a medical person it just seems ridiculous that the problem is not being solved, because if enough effort is put into it diseases can usually be cured. India is escaping from third world status and should have solved the problem by now. I would feel much happier if India was celebrating the fourth anniversary of reducing TB deaths to virtually zero.

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  • Deb;India
    Nov 29, 2012 - 4:45AM

    @Asif Butt

    I feel like giving you a big hug and say a big THANK YOU.

    Lets forget about the issue of our leaders talking to each other. Lets talk to each other among ourselves. Lets talk often. Lets talk about everything; about our doubts, mutual suspicions, inbuilt biases and prejudices (mostly inherited), misconceptions and everything under the sun; including music, poetry, literature, history, architecture and what not.
    Lets eat together, travel together, have a stroll in the park together; we will come to know each other better. During the process of knowing each other it reveals to us that we are in more ways similar to each other than the ways we differ among ourselves.
    Its a pity that we don’t try to know each other.
    By the way I am a ‘Sir’.
    Anyways thank you for those kind words. Recommend

  • Deb;India
    Nov 29, 2012 - 5:17AM

    @Sexton Blake

    I agree that we should have done better in tackling the issue of TB. Especially when it has been proved to be a lesser menace due to availabilty of cheaper drugs. Like you I am also not from medical proffession, but what I am told is that we all (even the healthy ones) carry the germ but get effected only when our level of resistance goes under a certain level. And that happens mostly due to malnutrition. I am no appologist of the government, but I can appreciate the problem of managing 1.2 billion people who widely differ among themselves in terms of every possible denominations; from level of awareness, education, income, lifestyle, food habit etc. etc. But lets hope we will overcome this menace also, like we did in case of Polio and to a large extent, of Malaria.

    Thanks for your concern and regards.

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  • Crystal
    Jan 6, 2013 - 9:11AM

    What has the Indian government done to prevent, discourage, or detect terroristic acts since the Mumbai attacks? My thoughts and prayers go out to all of the families, even the ones who carried this out. Just because there are a few bad apples in the tree does not make the whole tree bad. I hope they are able to come to an understanding…didn’t Pakistan split off because they wanted a country just for Muslim Indians?

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