Since then there have been other American experts on the region, who have been travelling in to feel the sense around and gather pointers to help lead their own thought process. Forget, Iran, Russia or China or any misgivings of a fanciful Great Game; they are thinking Afghanistan and Pakistan and what might work. One other nugget is to see how the UK-Pakistan-Afghanistan trio results and whether America’s imminent desire to exit Afghanistan can find a plausible basis from that interaction. The US is equally keen for Afghanistan’s main regional players, including Russia and China, to cobble an agreement to find sustainable peace in Afghanistan. The New York Times in an editorial on October 13 conveniently glossed over even that imperative of ‘sustainable peace’ and practically concedes that there will be an inevitable mess in Afghanistan after the US leaves, and there is little that the US may do which just might retard such an eventuality.
Enter Paul Kennedy, the uncontested doyen of geo-political assessment, and this is what he had to say in a piece for the NYT, reproduced in the International Herald Tribune of October 19, 2012, “that the foreign policies of the number one power are those of drifting downstream, with little sense of destination”. He does not consider such a drift inimical to long-term US interests, since he sees, “(an) amazingly lucky geopolitical situation that the United States inhabits” — Canada and Mexico are no threats; “its armed forces are huge”, as an insurance against any surprise; and, “its agricultural sources are massive, as are its secure freshwater supplies. And its demographic future is … a favourable one. So, why the need for America to go rushing around everywhere? Why not stay still for a while?” He then concludes by saying: “America may drift downstream a while longer, until it bumps into a really transforming event?” He foresees none such in the current environment. So, expect America to sleep longer by contemporary standards in geopolitical developments. That includes Arab Spring and what will finally fall Afghanistan’s way as its inevitable fate. Forget the niceties, the human rights or assurances against gender equality, it is ‘Time to pack up’.”
Narrow down to North Waziristan and our current obsession to go in, or not go in there. Place it in the emerging geopolitical context and it boils down to a very localised, national decision. Yes, it will impact Afghanistan some and will have repercussions for Pakistan itself, but when both Afghanistan and Pakistan are out there in the cold, without as much as a hug from those who drove the dynamics here for the last full decade, it better be left to Pakistan’s own capacity, own objectives and own means; and indeed own timing. Suddenly, the proverbial ‘do more’ seems comical and irrelevant.
Here then is the deal: both Afghanistan and Pakistan develop a timeline of dialogue between various factions within Afghanistan and with those nestled in Pakistan — this is where Pakistan has a role in an intra-Afghan dialogue. This will find a place back home for those that have availed of our hospitality for all these years and lighten the load for our own burden to follow. This will also leave some hope for the surviving structure to endure when the foreign props are no more. Walk into North Waziristan without such extrication of the foreign groups and you ensure their continuous engagement and location in situ. That might lighten the burden for Afghanistan but is sure to set fire to the entire region of Fata without a chance to control the spread of the cinder.
Pakistan has its own war to fight for sure, but it hasn’t yet begun. It shall have to be fought in parallel on more than one front from ideological to armed, but only when the enemy is cleansed of its foreign composites. Act against the Afghans, while you ostensibly fight your own nemeses, since they remain collocated, and you tie them both in an inextricable brotherhood without ever hoping for your load to lighten. In such a situation, the Pakistani military should expect itself to remain stuck in the muddle for at least 10 to 15 years, if not longer. Detractors need only see the US/Nato experience in Afghanistan. In the current scenario, with the army still not kinetically engaged in North Waziristan, stabilising operations in the rest of Fata will need at least another five years.
It would be safe to assume that Mr Grossman would have imposed North Waziristan in the discussions, though, it has zilch impact on the ultimate American decision, if nothing else works, to ‘cut and run’. He must have done so to keep the baddies engaged in Pakistan and more importantly headed away from Kabul giving a sense of stability and sustainability to post-American Afghanistan and as a convenient fig for the world sole superpower to save face. The NYT editorial — no mean indicator of official thinking — envisions a worst case scenario where the Pashtuns/Taliban combo will control the south and the east and impose their philosophy of life while Northern Afghanistan may simply continue in the momentum that the US will leave behind and Kabul would sustain. What that will deal to Pakistan as a hand can only be feared for its dastardly consequences.
Going into North Waziristan on impulse will only prolong the sapping war that has already emaciated us to the utmost. Hoping for Mr Grossman to find us a grand vision will remain only a pipedream; going by what I know, none exists. Little fermentation is possible in minds that are already toying futility. The solution will have to be ours alone and it better be rational.
Published in The Express Tribune, October 24th, 2012.
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@Author: Given that you would have liked to have a discussion on what you thought I had stated, I thought the basic courtesy would be to provide a response to my comment.
I found it a little disconcerting that my name should have any influence on how you understand what I have said. I have seen in one of your previous articles that you called fellow commentators who criticized you to be paid Raw agents who took upon so called Pakistani names.(http://tribune.com.pk/story/409952/the-great-india-pakistan-tamasha/)
Whether people use fake muslim names, names of their choice or if its muslims criticizing you or whether they are normal Pakistanis, Indians or people from other nationalities or even if they are paid raw agents as you claimed, if you dont like their criticism and disagree with them you can respond with your point of view and if you think its complete nonsense what they write then just ignore it or do as you please.
But to somehow throw accusations at a complete spectrum of people without any knowledge of their background just belittles your own position and will prevent people from taking you seriously in my opinion. Once you put your views in a public space you lose the right to be offended by criticism.
Yes if someone threatened you personally you would be well within your right label them in any way you may like. Thank you for providing me your insite in your articles. I disagree with it but to me I believe thats my right.
@Author: About my nationality, I am Indian just so that you dont get the wrong idea. I do reallize all states have problems and India like Pakistan has a ton of them (maybe even more than Pakistan but in different areas).
I might have also generalized regarding all army personell. It was my frustration with the instituitional line of living in denial that you keep following that made me do so. Im tired of people trying to provide complex solutions and trying to justify the support of some extremists cause its convenient for the establishment at this stage. Look at what the Afghan jihad got Pakistan. A couple of million refugees and an extremely polarized society.
I dont think I mentioned anywhere for the 'good of Pakistan' ? I asked what kind of Pakistan do people (Pakistanis) want ? Do you want a Pakistan where most people are educated, laws are followed, women have rights, economic growth, independent foriegn and economic policy. Do you see this happening if the Taliban is supported ? This is not my fate but it is for the people of pakistan to decide this.
At the end of the day civilians/tribals cannot be acting as an armed force. Any support from the state for this is bound to end in chaos. If negotiations and gradual integration into society are not going to work to get groups to disband then the army will have to deal with it. There is so much distinction within the Pakistani establishment between Afghan Taliban (Good guys) and TTP (believed to be supported by RAW, CIA) but both are killing innocent people are they not ? Do you think the region will develop if either of them are in power in parts of Pakistan or Afghanistan. Thats the question people need to be asking themselves. Short term convenience or long term success. Arent innocent people dying as it is right now ? Then whats stopping the Army from taking action ?
Its sad that you dont seem to see that this is Pakistans war and continue to think that Pakistan is somehow in the middle of a problem that its not part off.
@Wake Up: Normally, I avoid an argument with unidentifiable Bloggies, but this is interesting. Can you please define real for the good of Pakistan? I sincerely mean to listen, Sir.
Im sorry to say this but tactical/strategic insite from retired members of an armed force that hasnt won a war yet needs to be put into perspective. Pakistan is the only country where inspite of security lapses, wars lost (some of which were started by the army), OBL living in a military town etc. etc. nobody is held accountable and then people from the same system try to run the country. Its tragic.
Im not against the army. The soldiers need to be honored but the top ranking officials are doing a job like anybody else. They are not going and dying out there. They are sending other young men out to die. If you are bad at your job you get fired. If you break the law you go to jail. Why should it be any different for high ranking army officers. They have to be held accountable for their actions.
The author believes that Pakistan can try to outwit the US when the US has infinitely more resources and most importantly doesnt have a porous border with Afghanistan. The US is not going to fight Pakistans war. It will bomb the border area to the stoneage and then leave pakistan to sort out the mess.
Lets not be naive. What kind of Pakistan do the people want ? This war needs to be fought on all levels. Military, Education, Employment, Social Justice, Rights to Women etc. and only then will it suceed. Sitting and expecting others to fight your war by trying to gain leverage through non state actors may seem ingenious to some but the vast majority of the world knows its just plain stupidity.
@author We have entered the end-game in Afghanistan. The US has been happy with periods of isolationism.for e.g. it entered WW2 only after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. Paul Kennedy, whom you quote, makes a case for the US to rest a while, it has this great fowl of a continent that should keep it rich if the US would cut down its foreign commitments. All that is fine and can be argued against: America's need for markets, energy resources, preservation of the institutional framework (WB, IMF, Security Council etc.) that has given it definite advantages, dealing with a rising power - China and so on. Nevertheless, I would join Haris Choudhury, Meekal Ahmed et al who want to know what is Pakistan's blue print since it will have to substantially bear the brunt of an unstable Afghanistan. You have said about a start: dialog between the various factions etc. Can you really do this or still fool around with "strategic assets". In any case, what is the influence you still retain with the various groups concerned? You remind me of my college days, we all went out to demonstrate against US "imperialism" and all the rest, and returned to find that didn't make a difference. We had to do what we had to do to get ahead. AVM, you're past college, get real!
AVM sahib, could you please tell us about the economic costs to be bore by Pakistan & US in this ongoing saga of Afghan conflict? As per your quoting of Paul Kennedy, Americans have sufficient resources to bear the cost of this low-intensity warfare & still economically develop. What about us in Pakistan? Can we afford the cost & impact of our involvement & support in this conflict? Will Pakistan remain economically sustainable till Afghan Taliban establishes their hold in Afghanistan?
Yes, one need to sacrifice economic interests for respect & dignity. However, we appears to be a classic case of eating 100 onions & hit by 100 shoes simultaneously. Our Advocates of Strategic Depth are expected to make Pakistan more of a Somalia or Sudan than Malaysia or Turkey... And we don't foresee any waking up by our permanent elite from this deep slumber...
Its typical mindset ...If we cannot take our responsibility ... blakmail others to do our job ...
A nice article so Let me suggest a solution , that may work in my humble opinion.
Put the money where it is needed. 1) build school,
2) provide education according to local custom so as not to offend them and let them decide when their own logic develops
3) build roads and build them using local labour and not high tech machinery so people get involved they have a way of earnings . so people are better link economically. As economies grow people tend to become more tamed.
4) See the problem of at more local level and address them at that local level instead of seeing them at global level.
To put it together. Show people your good intention and please hold the war for some time. Give peace a chance
AVM and his senior's plan is to wait till the TTP is at its gate in Islamabad and then with halve effort, push them back a little and carry on with their lives. With this cat and mouse game, only more innocent lives will be lost.
In the current scenario, with the army still not kinetically engaged in North Waziristan, stabilising operations in the rest of Fata will need at least another five years...Going into North Waziristan on impulse will only prolong the sapping war that has already emaciated us to the utmost.
This is referred to as "Spartan tardiness" - the willingness of a trained army to let others fight its battles because it is addicted to schedule and planning, with a consequent loss of honor.
If you do not take on the Taliban and its affiliates now when US/NATO has a presence in Afghanistan no one will come to help Pakistan extricate itself from the self created mess later. If things deteriorate Aid may also be cut. Is Pakistan capable of taking a wise decision that promises a better future for its people ?
The American "blueprint" is pretty simple - leave enough military presence in Afghanistan to make life miserable for the militants in Afghanistan and Pakistan. America may desire a stable/prosperous/democratic Afghanistan but it no longer considers any of that a top priority and will accept a fractured Afghanistan that is at war with itself. Unfortunately for Pakistan America's solution exacerbates your current problems. Pakistan military will come under additional pressure as the situation deteriorates and the public grows weary of an expensive military that fails to protect it's people while blaming American for all woes.
For writers like the Rtd. AVM saab being seen as defying the US, illuminating how the US is losing and how US strategists have failed, is more important than the welfare of Pakistan and its peoples.
@author::POST American Afghanistan?,when?.Do you seriously think that US came to Afghanistan only after Osama whom she has already killed some one and half years back but is still staying there for God knows how long and what for.As for their leaving by'14,the presidential candidates and various commentators on US tv channels are giving different statements.I doubt that US spent 10 long years and trillions of dollars and hundreds of her soldiers for just one man.Unfortunately the only country suffering and will keep suffering due to the whole scenario is going to be Pakistan.
And so, Sir, what is OUR solution?
Are there even two minds in this country that agree on what OUR solution is?
Leave Americans on the side.. Do we have a plan or a blueprint to extricate ourselves from this war being waged on our soldiers, innocent women, children and men ? No.. we don't.. Before we start telling others about carving out a solution, we need to ensure our own survival. We need to get into North and South Waziristan and cleanse the region of all murderous thugs before outsiders decide to do it for us. The only difference then will be that the whole of Pakistan would be vulnerable to 'collateral damage'.
Sir, leave Mr Grossman aside... lets just do it for our own survival.
AVM saab you have listed what you will not do i.e. use NWA operation to expel Afghan Taliban and Haqqanis that you yourself admit enjoy Pakistani hospitality - from Pakistan so that NATO/ISAF can deal with them in Afghanistan. So having made it difficult for the US to deal with them, there will be a guaranteed civil war in Afghanistan (which could have been prevented if these people were expelled now). Your expectation is that this will have no negative impact on Pakistan and in fact will restor your strategic depth since Afghan Taliban will prevail. You do realize that even in 1996-2001 the Afghan Taliban did not recognize the Durand line? SO now after controlling FATA for all practical purposes, do you think they will simply vacate it once US is gone? Forget the US - what is your plan B if things do not turn out as you expect?
The US and Nato is repeatedly saying that they are not leaving Afghanistan, then why some Pak commentators are claiming that this withdrawal is in 2014. According to the US sources they are ending combat operations in 2014 and will maintain military presence for some years beyond that. Regardless of this fact whether the US is leaving or not, If Afghans will not fight and will find a political solution to their problem, nothing will happen. Afghanistan is there on the World stage since 1747 and will always be there as long as the world continue to exist. Afghanistan has survived the great game, Afghanistan survived the cold war as it was more destructive due to its ideological nature, and Afghanistan will also survive if the US is there or not. Because as compare to the time of the great game in 19th century and cold war in 80s, the country is now in better position to cope with any challenge threatening its security or interests.
So according this establishment writer the US doesn't have a 'blueprint' for Pakistan. What is Pakistan's blueprint for Afghanistan - engender complete chaos in the hope of eventually getting a pliable neighbour?
So your whole article is based on assumptions and what you hope/think he said. Great stuff!