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CJ refuses to meet UN team investigating enforced disappearances

Published: September 11, 2012

Chief justice says matter is sub-judice, which is why he cannot meet delegation. PHOTO: PID/FILE

Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry on Tuesday refused to meet the UN delegation investigating the issue of enforced disappearances, saying that the matter is sub-judice, Express News reported.

The team arrived in Pakistan Monday on a 10-day mission to investigate the missing persons issue.

The team’s arrival sparked a debate during a National Assembly on Monday and the parliamentarians dubbed the fact-finding exercise a ‘threat to the country’s sovereignty.’

During their 10-day mission, the team will tour all provincial headquarters, meeting political leaders, government officials, civil society organisations and human rights activists to gather information on cases of enforced disappearances in the country.

The experts will analyse and review measures adopted by Pakistan to eradicate the practice, including issues related to truth, justice and reparation for victims.

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Reader Comments (37)

  • Uza Syed
    Sep 11, 2012 - 1:32PM

    What an excuse!

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  • Sep 11, 2012 - 1:48PM

    the CJ is right on his stand not to meet the UN team.

    however How come a UN team is visiting pakistan. this can happen only if the magnitude of the missing person are very high and the efforts on the part of law enforcing agencies are dilly dallying And there is enough evidence that law enforcing Agencies itself are mainly responsibles for such disappearance.

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  • lost
    Sep 11, 2012 - 2:02PM

    Has the delegation already visited Guantanamo bay……many other secret locations run by CIA ? if yes what are their findings?

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  • S K Afridi
    Sep 11, 2012 - 2:02PM

    Well done CJ. These Human Rights lords have no courage to go and investigate enormous human rights violations committed by US with their drone strikes in Waziristan.

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  • SaneVoice
    Sep 11, 2012 - 2:05PM

    A squinted decision.

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  • Anoni
    Sep 11, 2012 - 2:33PM

    Rightly done.

    But you are requested to speed up the process of delivering Justice to People of Pakistan

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  • Jeffmahagaonvi
    Sep 11, 2012 - 2:55PM

    Mr.PCO CJ, be courageous, meet and explain the UN team, what a wonderful job
    are you doing to weaken the democracy in Pakistan.

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  • Max
    Sep 11, 2012 - 3:18PM

    Why is the UN delegation here in the first place? Is the Pakistani Government not running Balochistan anymore that a world government has to step in so blatantly?

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  • Hafiz Shah Ali
    Sep 11, 2012 - 3:42PM

    Very good decision

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  • Leopard
    Sep 11, 2012 - 3:46PM

    Those siding CJ either live in some other planet or lack rationality. It is civilised global world. For every thing you are dependent on each other. Currently UNO represents a body to which Pakistan is a signatory for all pacts and agreements. Apparently UN Team has come for a good cause with no hidden agenda. All sincere and patriotic leaders/people of Pakistan should extend full assistance to find out the real cause of this menace prevailing Pakistan. Internal forces so for have failed to curb this curse.

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  • Safeer Ullah Khan
    Sep 11, 2012 - 4:09PM

    UN Commission is breach of our sovereignty, and missing persons are not our problem.

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  • Maher
    Sep 11, 2012 - 4:19PM

    CJ is one of the highest designations in Pakistan and he should refrain in meeting such so called UN Investigating team… Btw why this team is here ? Who called them?

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  • Sep 11, 2012 - 4:25PM

    @Max:
    @lost:
    @Uza Syed:

    The Chief Justice is right in his stance of matter being ‘sub judice’ so the point of excuse does not arise. There is a government in place and that is responsible to determine the state of missing persons.

    This is certainly not a squinted decision by any stretch of imagination. The UN should have refused in the very first place to send a delegation to see if adequate measures are taken for the missing persons. The UN was never asked by the US or Security Council members to send a delegation to the Guantanamo Prison and why not? As Napoleon said, “Morality is always on the side of the heaviest artillery.”

    Whoever is responsible for this lowly and despicable invitation must stop calling himself a Pakistani. This is causing a lot of umbrage. Salams

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  • JoinHands!
    Sep 11, 2012 - 4:26PM

    Fair Enough!Recommend

  • Zubair
    Sep 11, 2012 - 4:33PM

    Alas! The “selective justice” delivery by UN has endagered its existance….this will entail more and more attacks on the UN missions in countries like Pakistan. UN existance is endagered like League of Nations as it has become a “TOOL” of American foreign detterance policy

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  • PARDESI
    Sep 11, 2012 - 4:34PM

    Has UN visited countries where a regime has been overthrown on UN’s behest like Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. UN has become an awfull joke in that it investigates only countries which West does not like, UN repeatedly bullies countries which do not fall in line with the West. UN supports democracy and would terrorise countries which does not have democracy but UN practices autocracy by giving the power of Veto in Security Council and ignores the General Assembly where the votes are more democratic. UN should go to Israel and ivestigate how many people including 10year old children have been imprisoned by Israel that these children have become nearly adults. Shame on UN

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  • mohammed ali jawaid
    Sep 11, 2012 - 4:47PM

    @Leopard:
    Sir, how can you be so sure of ‘no hidden agenda’? hope you are a learned person. you should know that as per the law the matter is sub-judice and if the CJ accepts this meeting people like you will waste no time in accusing him of stretching beyond law! CJ heading a court which is not an investigating body, it is a decision making body considering the evidence placed before it by the investigating institutions. therefore, his meeting with a fact finding UN team is legally wrong.

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  • MyHeartSpeaks
    Sep 11, 2012 - 5:15PM

    One word. Respect..

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  • Sophist
    Sep 11, 2012 - 5:20PM

    I am not getting the picture, since they are already here, why not meet them ?.
    According to them they are here to solve the problem of missing persons in Pakistan, which unfortunately we have not be able still to solve and recover the lost ones.

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  • ahmer
    Sep 11, 2012 - 5:42PM

    Another foot in the mouth disease case.

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  • Sep 11, 2012 - 6:06PM

    UN is joke, 65 wars broke out after the establishment of UN, UN is just a war tool for the United states, Pakistan should send the UN team back its our internal issue not your’s

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  • Jibran
    Sep 11, 2012 - 6:15PM

    Why not meet them if you are also sincerely interested in solving the problem? If you are only interesting in jacking up your TA/DA, and visiting your hometown at government expense, and just making headlines you can give any excuse. Who cares!

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  • Dolly Aga
    Sep 11, 2012 - 6:21PM

    I’m not a fan of his but good for him – the UN team should not have come

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  • Umer
    Sep 11, 2012 - 6:24PM

    What’s the surprise here? This so called activity of SC for Baluchis is just a show and nothing will come out of it.

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  • Jibran
    Sep 11, 2012 - 6:25PM

    Lesson of the story is:

    Pakistanis are more interested in the rights of persons in the Guantanamo Bay (even though they are not unaccounted for and their mutilated bodies don’t show up regularly)
    Pakistanis are least interested in the missing Pakistanis, who are tortured to death, and later their mutilated bodies show up in numbers, or the genocide of Shias, or the persecution of minorities.

    If this is true, then UN under its charter has the obligation to intervene to stop these massacres. I don’t care about other parts of the world, I want the bloodshed of my country men to stop. And UN thank you for taking up the issue. We have a juggler as the CJ, and a government least interested in stopping this. Thank you for putting up the pressure. Recommend

  • Umer
    Sep 11, 2012 - 6:26PM

    May be UN team should have first met Arsalan Chaudhary with appropriate funds then there would not have been any problem.

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  • Cautious
    Sep 11, 2012 - 6:42PM

    CJ is worried that the UN may accomplish what he hasn’t? It’s becoming obvious to the World that the ongoing abuse in Balochistan is a clear violation of human rights and Pakistan has done nothing substantive to end the abuse – it’s past time the UN got involved.

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  • Umer
    Sep 11, 2012 - 6:42PM

    @Jibran:

    Pakistanis are more interested in the rights of persons in the Guantanamo Bay (even though they are not unaccounted for and their mutilated bodies don’t show up regularly)

    They are only interested in throwing the ball somewhere else so their misdeeds are not accounted for; an excuse to keep doing the wrong unhindered. If it were not Guantanamo Bay it would be something on the mars or elsewhere in the universe.

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  • anonymous
    Sep 11, 2012 - 6:49PM

    Please send the UN team over to Indian held Kashmir to investigate the mass graves and the missing tortures persons..

    Then let’s see the response from our Indian brothers on this, as they are always gung ho to spew venom on Pakistanis.Recommend

  • Pakistani Pashtoon
    Sep 11, 2012 - 6:58PM

    i would only ask chief justice if his own son arsalan is lost. this chief justice has lost credibility because he is not sincere in resolving his own son corruption scam.. shame on you

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  • Mirza
    Sep 11, 2012 - 7:11PM

    “Chaudhry on Tuesday refused to meet the UN delegation investigating the issue of enforced disappearances, saying that the matter is sub-judice”
    And the way the PCO SC works it would remain sub-judice for a long time. There are no cases of any importance that this SC has decided especially if they are not political or against the elected leaders. As the saying goes if you are not a part of the solution you are a part of the problem. Pakistan is a member of UN and gets billions from the world organizations in the form of grants and loans. Yet when it comes to solving a serious problem of non-stop killings of its own citizens it does not want to cooperate with any world body on one excuse or the other.

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  • Logic Europe
    Sep 11, 2012 - 8:33PM

    Mr chaudhary is talking strange. SUBJUDICE? all matters in Pakistan that are SUBJUDICE are discussed in public by everybody including the judges,,The matter in Bloachistan is not legal.It is political and United Nations help could only be beneficial in finding a solution.Mr Chaidhry has shown that his agenda is self promotion and not the interest of the people, I find it strange that some people consider this behavior some kind of bravado.

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  • Umer
    Sep 11, 2012 - 10:34PM

    Punjabi establishment will never allow Baluchi issue to be solved. Rest is just hogwash.

    Baluchis should not expect much from Chaudhary court especially after his refusal to meet UN. It would have been very difficult and embarrassing for Chaudhary to explain why no perpetrator from the security establishment has been sent to prison despite plenty of evidence from Baluchi victims and families of the victims.Recommend

  • sabi
    Sep 11, 2012 - 11:10PM

    ” the parliamentarians dubbed the fact-finding exercise a ‘threat to the country’s sovereignty.”
    How it’s a threat to the country?.If a mission finds dissapearanc of persons unlawfull that should be okay for sc and public which already think it against the laws.And if the higher authorities can convince the mission that there are no missing persons under agencies control
    as such then its going to negate popular public outcry about missing persons.I think it more of a political stunt used by deep state to further destabalise the state.How come UNO mission can come to pakistan without having green signals from establishment.

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  • gp65
    Sep 12, 2012 - 3:02AM

    @Safeer Ullah Khan: “UN Commission is breach of our sovereignty”

    The commission is here at the invitation of your own government. HEnce there is no breach of sovereignty.

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  • gp65
    Sep 12, 2012 - 3:08AM

    @Logic Europe: You make a very good point. In the NRO implementation case (whee strangely all the murder cases are being overlooked and focus restricted to one out of the thousands of cases), the CJ has never stopped the media from discussing the case because it is sub judice. In fact he himself indirectly refers to it in so many of his speeches.

    Even in the Balochistan case he has made all kinds of speeches about how COAS will not be spared, how government is incompetent etc. When the matter is subjudice, why is he doing that?

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  • Sep 12, 2012 - 4:09AM

    Who are the members of this commission?????????? Please shed some light on their integrity as well…, Will they also visit “Drone affected” families and see how “happily” they are living ????? Will they also pay visit to Libya , Yemen and Iraq and see for themselves the ” Happy” state of people living there after ” Responsibility 2 Protect and Humanitarian Wars”

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