Pakistan’s human cockroaches

Published: August 24, 2010
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fasi.zaka@tribune.com.pk

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Pakistan, you are a failed state. Not because of Zardari. Not because of America. But because you are a failed people, all of us undeserving of sympathy. We are diseased, rotten to every brain stem, world please make an impenetrable fence around us, keep us all in so we don’t spread it to other people, other countries.

These were words I posted on a social networking website. I have an unusually negative mindset these days. It happened after I saw the video of the two teenage brothers brutally clubbed to death by a crowd frenzied with blood thirst in Sialkot. The police watched gleefully. The video has blurs at certain parts, but even this sensible sensitivity does not prevent one from seeing mists of blood flaying from the heads of these teens as they are hit relentlessly, and remorselessly, again and again.

The murderous crowd was truly representative of the richness of Pakistan. Some wear jeans, others shalwar kameez, some were bearded, others clean shaven. The Pakistanis had gotten together to have some fun.

Do not be shocked. This wasn’t isolated, it’s just that the crowd wanted to make sure their orgasmic moment could be captured for later viewing, at one’s pleasure. We blame our ill-educated brethren for the barbarity we witness, but that’s a self-serving lie.

The middle and upper classes are immune to education it seems. They hold opinions of everyday violence even if they have never raised their hand at anyone. If you believe Jews are the scum of the earth, all Ahmadis deserve to die or that Hindus are inferior, well why not two teenage boys?

I want Pakistanis to feel shame, in fact a substantial loss of self-esteem would be great. This is the only way for us to begin to doubt ourselves and the incessant excuses we make. Yes, the world is right to add restrictions on our visas, to see us as dangerous. If for even a while we felt we were the cockroaches of the human race, maybe we would get to the point we stopped the lies we tell ourselves and let this continue.

The fact is, if we had real democracy, there would be no internet in Pakistan, women would not be allowed out of their homes, education would come to a standstill and we would begin a programme of killing off every minority. Thank you corrupt generals and politicians, you keep this at bay with some sense of being answerable to a world that still has some humanity in it, even if you don’t.

And please, no excuses, no excuses. Don’t give us that, “If only there was true Islam they would be better”. I think a thousand years is enough, we can’t wait longer. And there was no America in existence for most of that, or even western colonialism.

You want to know just how sociopathic we are? In response to these killings some are happy to say we deserve earthquakes and floods. Typical. Don’t change yourself, but give credit to the indiscriminate and inhumane forces of nature. The floods are a tragedy, an atrocity and should never be used to bolster an argument that really only demands self-reflection.

And please, in your self-reflection don’t call us animals, most of them are benign vegetarians. Also don’t blame Sialkot; they were just unlucky because they are subject to scrutiny. There is so much more out there.

There is such a sense of sickening moral superiority in Pakistanis, it needs to be addressed. All we care about is foreign policy, eager to point out the hypocrisies of the world, silent on our domestic, or even local life. Why should the world take what you say seriously, why should you be a regional power, or a leader in the comity of Islamic nations?

Truth is, there is only one way to get change, and it’s not hanging the people who killed these boys. It is raising your voice to contradict people who advocate death for others, no matter who they are speaking of. To internalise that murder of any kind, for anyone is wrong. Sounds easy? Well just try it.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 24th, 2010.

Reader Comments (586)

  • Hikmatyar Wali
    Aug 24, 2010 - 2:19AM

    Well said, son. I honor the place where your earnestness and my smirk becomes one. This charade will continue with its merry obliviousness as the floods wash away, and we retreat back to our lives in our cushioned cocoons. Recommend

  • Khurram Bukhari
    Aug 24, 2010 - 3:16AM

    Fasi! I share 1000% your point of view that our whole nation is rotten and blood thirsty like the Roman era crowd who loved to watch bloody fights of gladiators or burning Christian alive on the cross or throwing them in front of hungry beasts. This was part of entertainment and now what the crow did by clubbing the two innocent brothers to death also reflects the deep routed violence and intolerance we exercise to each other worse than animals.

    And still we people of Pakistan want recognition among the civilized world??? What a shame for our country and its people. Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 3:17AM

    Feel shame? Us? Never! A convenient conspiracy theory will come up in a day or two to explain everything away, and we can then play the victim. I may sound cynical, I would do anything if everyone would prove me wrong and make me eat my words.Recommend

  • Callen
    Aug 24, 2010 - 3:25AM

    Call it the beginning of the Reunited Kingdom of Pakistan, we should try communism after decades of failing democracy now; until we all get a little sense in our foolish minds. Only then we will deserve to be democratic!!
    As a pakistani who wishes to see his country #his people rise again from the ruins once again to become honorable humans who knows how to live with other humans muslims or non muslims, it is time.
    Either now is the beginning or now is the end…..Recommend

  • R. Querieshi
    Aug 24, 2010 - 3:33AM

    They were not only educated people, but typical what we can find in a relatively well off parts of Pakistan. Mixture of hypocricy, bribery and a touch of religion. True Muslim or not? does that matter when true Kafirs don’t do this either??Recommend

  • Tippu
    Aug 24, 2010 - 3:42AM

    This mentally deranged lot of 180 million residing in pakistan needs to be quarantined. It is a society that produces nothing but hate against others and gladly cheers brutality and celebrates killing of other human beings. And yet believes itself to be the torch bearer of “islam”.
    The folks living there, the educated ones, the “elite” and the average person in the street are all sick in the head. I have lost all hope in them.Recommend

  • Jameel ur Rasheed
    Aug 24, 2010 - 4:17AM

    I agree with Fussy. But fussy i think that the matter is shows how frustrated and how much angry the people are with the current situation and they only need some thing, event or occasion to take their anger out. This was one such incident. There had been such cases before, if you remember three thieves were burnt alive in Karachi and a days later a similar act took place in Lahore. But this one was unique as the police was there to support the angry mob. It is failure of state and law enforcing agencies that caused people to took law in their hands. The police is equally as guilty as the mob and most of all the man with camera who had sense to make videos of persons dying but no sense to make a try to save them.Recommend

  • Z G
    Aug 24, 2010 - 4:25AM

    Finally something decent published in the express tribune. I share your sentiments. Good job.. It wreaks of bitterness, but I guess that is what all of us have been forced to come to in this country.Recommend

  • Ayesha Ijaz Khan
    Aug 24, 2010 - 4:45AM

    What happened in Sialkot is without question barbaric and worthy of shame. However to use that to conclude that the entire country is worthy of shame and deserving of visa restrictions, etc. is an over-reaction. In the same country, there are also those who have very humane qualities, and at the same time, there are others outside of Pakistan who are guilty of all sorts of crimes, including police brutality in public view. At the end of the day, there are good and bad people everywhere. It is not particularly helpful to tar the whole country with the same brush just because we are angry about a very horrific case in our midst. It is perhaps more appropriate to ensure justice is served in this case, and served in a manner so as to be a warning to others. Recommend

  • ADIL
    Aug 24, 2010 - 4:50AM

    thankyou fasiRecommend

  • Rabia
    Aug 24, 2010 - 4:52AM

    TRUE!Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 5:06AM

    marvelously true fasi zaka.my heart bleed more even if i m sitting away & i m not a pakistani.even the killings in my kashmir didnt disturb me much as did d moronic video played on tv channels of pakistanRecommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 5:15AM

    pathetically true fasi zaka.my heart bleed more even if i m sitting away & i m not a pakistani.even the killings in my kashmir didnt disturb me much as did d moronic video played on tv channels of pakistanRecommend

  • Noor Muhammad
    Aug 24, 2010 - 5:15AM

    Freaking reaction to the disgusting tragedy is doomed to be nothing more than a momentary fizzle.

    Only cool, rational, introspective, critical and positive approach can lead Pakistan forward.

    Let’s look at the events of street vigilantism, the ones I remember:

    Burning of bandits in Saddar Karachi
    Burning of Bandits in Korangi, Karachi
    Beating-till-death of bandits in Metroville area, Karachi. The bandits were also tied to a jeep and dragged on streets
    Murder of a Hindu worker in a factory by a mob of “Muslim” co-workers on alleged “Tauheen-a-Risalat” remarks
    Murder of two Christian brothers in Sialkot by a mob. They were accused of using defamatory remarks for the holy prophet
    Murder/lynching of the young Butt brothers in Sialkot by a mob
    All ‘street justice’ performed by the Taliban terrorists in Swat/Malakand (including whipping, slaughtering, hanging and chopping off body parts
    All incidents of Karo-Kari where unqualified ‘jurists’ ask for murder of people, some after gang rape :-(
    Throwing of Kainat Soomro in front of dogs in Karachi by an honor bitten mob comprising of her family members

    This macabre practice of ‘street justice’ has been rampant in our society.

    “Killing the murderers of Butt brothers at the lynching spot”, as our interior minister reportedly has vomited today, is equal to justifying violence, promoting it and institutionalizing it. Rehman Malik shall apologize for making such irresponsible and stupid remarks, despite of heading the law enforcing agencies!

    We need to look deeper than the skin. The problem lies within us. Within all of us. I completely agree with Fasi. Recommend

  • Khan
    Aug 24, 2010 - 5:22AM

    Couldn’t agree more. It’s a shame. But I’m glad we’re closer to the bottom of the pit now than we ever were.. just wondering how long before we hit rock bottom?Recommend

  • Rao Amjad Ali
    Aug 24, 2010 - 5:35AM

    May Allah rest the departed souls in Heaven and may He give their families and loved ones the fortitude to overcome this irreplaceable loss.

    Not far from where the dastardly act was on public display under the grand aegis of the Punjab Police, Faiz Sahib was born. And I shudder to think of the pain that these Neanderthals have caused him.

    Together with many other compatriots, I struggle to keep my head up, attempting to evade the tortuous shame that some of our countrymen have “gifted” us during this Holy month of Ramadan.

    I leave you with verses from Faiz Sahib:

    Dard Itna tha kay uss raat dil e wehshi nay
    Har rag-e-jaan say ulajhna chaha, har bun e moo say tapakna chaha

    Aur kahin door teray sehn may goya patta patta meray afsurda lahu may dhul kar, Husn e mahtaab say aazarda nazar aanay laga

    Meray werana-e-tan main goya saray dukhtay hoay reshon ki tanaben khul kar silsila waar patta denay lagiin

    Rukhsat e faslae shooq ki tayyari ka
    Aur jab yaad ki bujhti hoi shammon main nazar aaya kahin
    Aik pal aakhri lamha teri dildari ka

    Dard itna tha kay uss say bhi guzarna chaha
    Ham nay chaha bhi, Magar dil na theherna chahaRecommend

  • Noor Lodi
    Aug 24, 2010 - 7:24AM

    Most excellent. I share his opinion and feelings because this is exactly how I feel being a Pakistani. We don’t deserve the label of Muslims or even Humans. We feel entitled, entitled for what? Only for the wrath of Allmighty that is well underway. We have betrayed our founders and millions of people who struggled for this country. Shame on us, shame on you, shame on me and shame on every Pakistani!Recommend

  • mussarat ahmedzeb swat
    Aug 24, 2010 - 7:25AM

    wearing jeans and pants make you liberal?Recommend

  • Aiman Mughni
    Aug 24, 2010 - 7:26AM

    I totally agree with the writer. It’s time we realize our own mistakes instead of pointing out at others. We have made enough fool of ourselves to the world. It’s time we accept our mistakes and try to change our attitude.
    We point at government while we break the laws ( breaking traffic signals, bribing policemen, etc ) !
    And by the way, we are the ones who choose the government.

    So what’s democracy here in Pakistan? Just electing the government? a small part of the meaning of democracy — by the people
    Where’s for the people thing?
    Democracy is based on the philosophical principle of equal rights. But where are the rights of the people? And if there aren’t, why are we silent?

    It’s time we change ourselves.Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 7:45AM

    A ripple of applause, BahawalpurRecommend

  • Mahamness
    Aug 24, 2010 - 7:45AM

    Harsh yet much-needed intellectual spanking!Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 8:37AM

    I can understand your rage but you have gone overboard with misplaced disdain and a tinge of elitism. To suggest that somehow, the Pakistani public largely comprises inhuman jihadis is preposterous. There is plenty of humanity in our rural areas among the poor and “uneducated” as well. Consider for example that the person who first alerted authorities to Mukhtaran Bibi’s plight was the local village imam who made a sermon in the mosque condemning the culprits and preventing Mukhtaran from committing suicide (read Nicholas Kristof’s account of how the story in his new book). There are plenty of such unsung good people among Pakistan’s faithful poor as well. Prejudice exists in all societies and Pakistanis are no different. Mob mentality and violent voyeurism can be found all over the world as well. We should condemn atrocities such as the Sialkot incident and certainly work on reform but spewing out such vitriol for an entire nation serves little purpose other than sardonic shock value. Self-criticism is good — self-hatred is not. Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 8:44AM

    Kudos Mr. Zaka for setting the record straight. We are a failed state because of our own moral decline and we are to be blamed for the cold blooded murder. We all have pharoahs in our cities and we let them do injustice and many a times defend those very criminals and/or become a party to them. We should be ashamed of ourselves. All of us have the blood of those boys on our hands. All of us.Recommend

  • Bilal Aftab
    Aug 24, 2010 - 8:49AM

    Perhaps for the first time in my life, i totally agree with Fasi. Change ourselves, forget about others; thats the only way out of this deep dark hole we are in as a nation. Take my words on this Fasi, I will try.Recommend

  • Asim
    Aug 24, 2010 - 9:34AM

    A bitter fact of our society , a shameful act. Recommend

  • Gurriya Mir
    Aug 24, 2010 - 9:39AM

    Its after much contemplation that i’ve found words to write here because the column has really put me to shame. It is shameful how indifferent we have become as collective people to tragedies. i, like many members of the passive TV audience, hid my face when the footage was being aired but its not just one incident – we the silent spectators did the same when women were being whipped in Swat, when people are murdered in the name of honour, when people were flogged amidst scores of people during martial law regimes. I can barely lift my head so hung in shame.
    @ Fasi Zaka: Your emotion, in comparison to your otherwise ironic satire is much more hard hitting. Its not the kind of writing where you would be told its a great piece, instead plz register that it has a heart-ripping vocal characteristic, your readers can hear you out.Recommend

  • Realist
    Aug 24, 2010 - 9:44AM

    Do you even realise that the people who did this, they most probably don’t even know their ABCs, let alone an English newspaper article.Recommend

  • Nauman
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:00AM

    I can not agree more… lets stop fooling ourself… instead of focusing on conspiracy theories, we should try to set our internal matters right…
    to be very honest, after this sad incident, i feel we have reached a point of no return.Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 10:05AM

    Fasi, I am ashamed, tongue tied and all my words have gone to commit suicide for being the part of this malicious system …. where i was born, breed & still living …… x-( Recommend

  • Amir
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:06AM

    We are a failed state not because of Zardari or America or any other external or internal conspiracies. We are a failed state because of our justice system. Because of our failed courts. Because these courts allow murderers to run free. Because these courts fail to make decisions and linger a case on for ages.

    Recommend

  • Haris Masood Zuberi
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:08AM

    Well expressed frustration Fasi!

    a failed people,
    all of us undeserving of sympathy. We
    are diseased, rotten to every brain
    stem, world please make an
    impenetrable fence around us, keep us
    all in so we don’t spread it to other
    people, other countries.

    Absolutely! Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 10:11AM

    Thank you for a brilliant article. Peace! Recommend

  • Waqqas Iftikhar
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:17AM

    every time i am about to add a comment the location is automatically selected to ‘sialkot’….rather eerie

    @Fasi, man hopefully you are ready for the ‘oh what has Islam and religious intolerance to do with this’ retorts coming your way,

    as for mussarat, technically sartorial preferences should not be used to identify ideological leanings, but in our ‘land of the pure’ it is a pretty good indicator because that is how people perceive it to be…and what is important in societies are perceptions not realities since it is easier to make sweeping generalizations rather than infer conclusions from cold hard facts.

    Great article though, human cockroaches sounds about right,…further, wont be surprised if nothing happens to the accused in the sialkot case, when you have the DPO receiving his own orders of house arrest, it is beyond a joke.Recommend

  • Affan H. Khan
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:25AM

    How can we deny this now? We can’t. I am tired of arguing with Pakistanis leaving Pakistan to go to other countries and live an an immigrant. I have lost the argument. If they want to go, they are, maybe right. We hit the bottom now (oooh please, not more than this). As a nation, with such glorious plans when we got freedom, look at the mess we have produced. This is pathetic. Maybe this land has always been a pocket of opporunity for a few idiots (ruthless to the core). They have focused so much on their individual being that they have totaly messed up the system.
    We need to change – and change big now. It is not a fever, it is a cancer. The biggest questions is – how can we get rid of this ? as long as they are here, they wont lets us change an inch (disturbs their plans). Recommend

  • Ahsan Shamim
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:35AM

    You nailed it Fasi.Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 10:35AM

    Spot On… i never understood why we always blame the “gov” or the “system”… when actually we ourleves dont have the balls to get up from our couches and raise our voices….Recommend

  • Asad V Shairani
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:37AM

    I second Gurriya Mir. Recommend

  • Soha
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:40AM

    Are we a country of failed people? We have failed repeatedly to choose good leaders, to edeucate ourselves, to free ourselves of ignorance – and of hate.

    We are a country of wait around and complainers. And – YET – I honestly cannot agree that we are a failed people (although probably a failed state) because when we need to we will enterprise and find oppurtunities to help each other.

    I know self loathing is a national state of mind – on both an individual and national level – but consider this: What you are unhappy with (possibly) is that most of Pakistan is different? No, not the lynch mob. But that they would according to you choose right wig conservative leadership.
    You hate their ideals, beliefs and opinions. You hate the stuff they are made of.
    This makes you a one man mynch mob.Recommend

  • AJ
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:43AM

    The best article I have read in the last few years of being back in Pakistan hands down. Congratulations, you hit the nail on the head. Sadly however, only a small english speaking and reading portion of the population will get your message. I would seriously suggest translating this into urdu and printing it.

    Being a minority in Pakistan is a terrifying experience. When the majority treats each other like they did in Sialkot, we shudder to think of what would happen to us in a similar situation. This is why the majority of well padded minorities are leaving Pakistan. Recommend

  • Ahmed Z. Khan
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:43AM

    Please translate this and publish in urdu newspapers!!Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 10:49AM

    Dear Fasi Zaka, I was appalled when I read the news last afternoon. This morning after reading your article, give me hope that all is not lost for the human being.

    We god give you strength and courage to continue the good work. May your tribe grow by the second.

    I salute you for your work and humanism.

    Sincerely
    AnilRecommend

  • Sara
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:55AM

    I couldn’t agree more. I loathe this nation and everything we represent. And you’re right: we’re all culpable, because no-one cares enough to actually do a damned thing about this. People make lame excuses about how we’re powerless and blah. The reality is, if it doesn’t affect you directly, you don’t care. And I include myself in that too.

    Forget fencing; bomb us back into the Middle Ages. And if I hear religion being used one more time as a pathetic justification or excuse for stuff like natural calamities, I’ll…

    I’ll do nothing. As usual. What a shame that is! Recommend

  • Aftab Kenneth Wilson
    Aug 24, 2010 - 11:10AM

    Mr. Fasi your first paragraph speaks it all. We have to look inwards. Our rotten education system and polluted history only of likings to some. A total change of plugs and points including change of oil and oil filter as well. I agree to what you have penciled down. This time all makes sense. If we want to move forward then it is necessary to learn lot of lessons from past deeds.Recommend

  • MOhammed Anwerzada
    Aug 24, 2010 - 11:13AM

    Dear Fasi,
    I have similar views but feel justice in Pakistan again like most things are for rich and powerful only. Sialkot incident, is a culture set up by politicians, Media and Police. When two men when were burned to death by shop-owners in Karachi, for looting nothing was done, in fact a protest was carried out later for even investigating the incident. People have never gotten justice and feel that police and justice system will only harass them. I agree with you but incidents like this will keep happening because Pakistan human cockroaches will never get justice and unfortunately they will be exploited by groups like Mualvis, Talibans, Politicians and others. Recommend

  • Zain S
    Aug 24, 2010 - 11:19AM

    i disagree on the point that no one deserves death. I think the problem is that people fear no consequences for their actions, there is no real accountability for anyone. Islam the way it is preached makes these people arrogant. Kill a few people, and establish the facts of what will not be tolerated no matter what the cost, and I am sure people will come into line. Who will disseminate justice is another problem that must be handled before we go that far however. The situation is complex, and the root causes are many. They should be addressed before society as a whole can reflect any semblance of normal or decent human behaviour. We keep allowing barbarism to flourish, and even reward it. We pretend we are not materialistic and the west is, while at the same time we respect people for their big cars and never wonder how they got them in the first place. This society is hypocritical to its core.Recommend

  • Kiran aAshad
    Aug 24, 2010 - 11:27AM

    A harsh reality.. need not only read it but try to bring a difference..unite and raise your voicesRecommend

  • Babar
    Aug 24, 2010 - 11:29AM

    But isn’t this what we always wished for in our ideal Khalafat state? Quick justice and public executions. Why complain now?Recommend

  • khadija imam
    Aug 24, 2010 - 11:37AM

    “All the world’s a stage, And all the men and women merely players:
    They have their exits and their entrances’-this quote of Shakespeare clearly applies in the mad mad world of “green terrorists” and not the environmentally friendly ones either. mr zaka has laid bare the fabric of our existence in terms not too kind and extremely true. it is high time that we enacted the “roles” and read the script we were MEANT to as opposed to the current one in use. why blame the government ony? try self-analysis and be proactive. get off those chairs and leave the coffees behind,ladies and gentleman! the curtain has risen and the world awaits.Recommend

  • Junaid Manzoor
    Aug 24, 2010 - 12:04PM

    Fasi You are just Outstanding. I am thinking to find out some way to address the psychological sickness of the Pakistanis. I am damn sure they are the worst nation on the face of this earth.Recommend

  • aK
    Aug 24, 2010 - 12:08PM

    Great piece of work and finally an article which does not blame the president or the judiciary or natural calamities or USA or the Jews or any other conspiracy theory for our miseries. We as a nation have deteriorated and sialkot and Prem Chand are probably the epitomy of how regressed we actually are. Having said all of that i think that everyone on this forum or any other discussion one has with friends or Co workers on our current state tends to only to point out the problems and no one ever focuses on the solution itself. Yes many might say education is the key to all these problems, but even when the whole nation has joined hands to rehabilitate the flood affected victims not even one person has focused or talked about providing education or opening up of schools for the affected. Please i urge all to lets be part of the solution rather than making futile attempts of pointing out the wrongs in our country

    I think the writer hit the nail : ” There is such a sense of sickening moral superiority in Pakistanis, it needs to be addressed. All we care about is foreign policy, eager to point out the hypocrisies of the world, silent on our domestic, or even local life.” Recommend

  • Amir Rashid
    Aug 24, 2010 - 12:17PM

    Sad but absolutely true.. can not refute a word in your article..Recommend

  • bunty
    Aug 24, 2010 - 12:18PM

    Awesome expression of your feeling. Everybody wants to say but you said it in one article. Fasi, I like this thing which you wrote in last paragraph, they must not be hanged in same way like our so called corrupt politician said. They should be punished to live whole life in jail away from family that they could feel the pain which these kids mother would be feeling. One more thing on which i would shame on our government, they fail to resolve the issue. Does anyone know that village is NO GO AREA these days because these villagers are not allowing anyone to come in and a lawyer among them saying. It is usual response from a mob and we have no grief on it.He said this on media, whole village is still supporting this act. Shame on us and government which is able to stop them doing this and proving this as act to be rightful. Please the show with Asma sherazi on sama tv….She brought the view from other party. They have no commiseration on what they had done…shame on police, whole Govt, so called AC/DC and everyone.Recommend

  • Kanza Hiader
    Aug 24, 2010 - 12:20PM

    true! but those brutal cannibals should be given the same torture that was given to the young teenagers. And this torture should be given publicly to assure people that their lives are not worthless and those who would dare to commit such crimes would be dealt with iron hands.Recommend

  • HH
    Aug 24, 2010 - 12:26PM

    Fasi,
    I dont live in Pakistan anymore but this is the exact reaction I had when I saw the videos and the article on tv here in Australia.
    reading your views is almost like saying the feelings I had in my heart and still do.
    Thank you for being so honest. Thank you for saying the things that somneone needed to say.
    We are a dispicable race of people and sadly alot of educated Pakistanis would have stood around and watched the beating if they were there on the day. Not many would have the guts to step in to try and stop it. Why? For the fear of being beaten to death.
    And just to put a thought out there..
    Imagine if these two muslim boys were beaten to death exactly the same way but in New York by locals (Christians, Jews or Athiests) or in Amsterdam by locals, or in London by locals or in Australia by locals… what would everyone do back home?
    There would be such an uproar. People would be burning tyres and flags of the country back home and demanding some sort of justice. Perhaps a huge strike and more deaths would occur while this unrest would pick up pace – Do you agree with me?
    But the funny part is, now that it happened back home to Paksitanis by Pakistanis, it doesnt get the same attention. How is that?
    This goes the same for Suicide bombings. Pakistanis killing each other just gets a sigh. If it was an American or a Jew who blew himself up in a Mosque, the whole country would be in uproar and wanting to declare war on the country of origin.
    Pakistanis have officially stooped down to such a low level that its hard for me to call myself one. It is hard for me to stand up for the countries reputation anymore…
    I have given up.
    Cockroaches —–> We are!
    AmenRecommend

  • Fasi Zaka
    Aug 24, 2010 - 12:27PM

    **@Babar**: Well said. I wish I had thought of that.Recommend

  • Shahid Ashraf
    Aug 24, 2010 - 12:41PM

    Dear Fasi, very well written and rightly pointed out thoughts. I can feel the anger and disgust of you heart, which is absolutely right and justified. A different angle to the same incident!! *We are a failed nation because we have failed people!* Very correct observation but I would agree here wtih AJ that the majoity of Pakistan got to know this! But I know it’ll be difficult for you to get it done in Urdu a) because you are not an Urdu writer b) I don’t think Urdu newspaper would publish such stuff as it can badly affect their readership / circulation because people do not want to read the truth :-( sadly!
    I would on the other hand disagree with Ayesha Ijaz Khan! We are as a nation responsible for this act because this is not an individual act but a collective evil that the society has done and Fasi has rightly pointed out that represented the richness of Pakistan. yes, there are some *good* people but those *good* do not have courage to come forward, condemn and hold hands of such *evils*!!Recommend

  • Salman
    Aug 24, 2010 - 12:42PM

    Very well written and above that it is absolutely true.Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 12:58PM

    So true Fasi.

    Thanks for this reminder!Recommend

  • Sharjeel Jawaid
    Aug 24, 2010 - 1:10PM

    It is a mirror, but are we willing to see our own faces?Recommend

  • Bilal Aftab
    Aug 24, 2010 - 1:22PM

    @Babar;@Fasi Dont you guyz understand the difference between a mob clubbing 2 innocent boys to death in public and public execution of a convict under the Sharia law. Believe me on this and I can bet my life that NO SUCH INCIDENCE WOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE IF WE HAD TRUE ISLAMIC LAWS IN PAKISTAN. I think we all need to educate ourselves and specially in terms of the philosophies behind the Sharia Laws before commenting on them like novice fools.Recommend

  • Atiq Rehman
    Aug 24, 2010 - 1:22PM

    For an intellectual writer you’ve missed one major point. You write about a loss of self esteem… Please remember, you need to have self esteem to lose it. Recommend

  • Zaki
    Aug 24, 2010 - 1:23PM

    Bravo! I hope my appreciation does not land like “wah, wah…. muqarar” lands on poets and I hope its not read as an entertaining article – but a serious deep one.Recommend

  • Zeeshan Hussain
    Aug 24, 2010 - 1:24PM

    Great Article, i think it should be published in every good newspaper of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Fayyaz Muhammad Mian
    Aug 24, 2010 - 1:28PM

    What happened in Sialkot is truly lamentable and needs to be criticised vehemently. But the way you painted the nation you (and I) belong to only reflects our collective guilt. Mind you every body doesn’t approve of such sadism that puts at stake our collective identity. To come out of this maligned situation, we have to abort the whole system once for all.Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 1:29PM

    I could not agree more with this post……This was peak of brutality at a collective level…..failed people, failed state and of course failed society….Recommend

  • Junaid
    Aug 24, 2010 - 1:40PM

    Finally someone says it the way it should be said. Sorry my fellow Pakistani’s most of you will still not understand this article and will continue to be indifferent to basic humanity. Just dont be surprised when one day there are real fences keeping you inside the country.Recommend

  • noreen
    Aug 24, 2010 - 1:43PM

    totally agree fasi! we living overseas are speechless on this shameful incident happened, i am no more in the position of justifying anything happening on that soil anymore cz we have humiliated ourselves in the eyes of the world…moreover, even if this appalling incident can any one explain to what immediate measures to true justification has been done even though everyone knows who those barbarians are….no doubt we deserve to be rejected by the entire world as a nationRecommend

  • Javarria Ejaz
    Aug 24, 2010 - 1:52PM

    I am shamefully thinking about it as I am by boron Pakistani and might be died with the same nationality, I believe that we have no right to take this type of discussion but collectively we prove that we have faces like human but instinctually more brutal then animals Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 1:57PM

    is it sin to be born a Pakistani ? i confess. i am a sinner!Recommend

  • Babar
    Aug 24, 2010 - 1:57PM

    @Bilal Aftab, Still gruesome.Recommend

  • Abbas Cheema
    Aug 24, 2010 - 1:59PM

    @Bilal Aftab.. Islam is not just the Shariah Law. Such things WILL happen even if you have Shariah laws in Pakistan unless you have true Islam in Pakistan. There is no point in making a law if no one is going to follow it. Problems can be solved even with the present law and some amendments if required but only IF people stick to law. If you impose Sharia law, then you guys will be fighting again about “REAL SHARIAH”. Have you forgotten my friend how many sects do you have ? So just stick to the law and good ethics… learn to say what is right and what is wrong and give people their rights and everything will be ok. BUT.. having said that, this is easier said than done. Recommend

  • shoaib
    Aug 24, 2010 - 2:08PM

    well said fasi ……….. these cases are happening every now n then here ..even in karachi ….. but the point is this one got highlighted . yes we are mentally sick peoples … we shudnt be blaming govt, religion or the country but only ourselves ….. i hope people might now gather themselves united on this issue and bring some change …. may be this footages brings out the human hidden inside us …. may be the upcoming of this footage is a trigger to pull our threshold …. reminding us enough is enough… . may be …… Allah hidayat day. Ameen Recommend

  • Mango Juice
    Aug 24, 2010 - 2:11PM

    Perhaps the author forgot to add a disclaimer. Let me do it for him, on behalf of the author, I would like to apologize to the entire cockroach community. You guys deserve much better than being compared to Pakistanis. Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 2:16PM

    Best article I have read in ages!! Bravo Fasi Bravo! Recommend

  • Divaatastic
    Aug 24, 2010 - 2:21PM

    Yes we are dangerous – very dangerous!
    I am full of disgust at the moment and yes it will be dangerous because those who aren’t from my country will see the real face of PAKISTAN!
    What the hell went wrong with the founders of this country? Didn’t the foresee that a nation they thought then would eventually mold into a bunch of hyenas feasting on human flesh?
    I at least am having substantial loss of self-esteem and there is no excuse I am making for myself or anyone who lives on the same plain as I do. Yes, the world is right to ridicule my religion, my flesh and my green passport on and on because I am a threat – I am as dangerous to them as I am to my own country. We educated lot sit in our cozy offices and type away our hatred for those who commit heinous crimes opening and that too in mobs. I will not lie to anyone about being a Pakistani and in return getting a shoe on my face. I havent done anything right for this country. I didn’t do anything to stop the cold blooded brutal massacre of the two brothers in Sialkot. I never do anything about the killings which happen off camera often. I just have no words to tell you how you should be careful of me… my people have defined the real culture and heritage of this country and it is absolutely remarkable that no one actually has the face to object to it. Yes we are labelled rightfully! Danger we pose for our own people, we just don’t know where to stop and then when an outsider comes in and tries to dictate his terms we object and stamp our feet around in protest.
    Where are all those who protest for rights? Those who come on the streets when the government raises prices on sugar and wheat? Where are you bloody people? Are you not having the face to make a public appearance anymore?
    Democracy is the best revenge, so says the brat of the existing rat. Well then where is the implementation of this democracy?

    WHERE IS ISLAM FOR GOD SAKES! STOP THE BLOODY RIDICULING PAKISTANIS – IN NO TIME SPITS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD WILL RAIN DOWN UPON HERE!Recommend

  • trahim
    Aug 24, 2010 - 2:21PM

    But what about the handful of us (literally) who are stuck in this god forsaken place, scared for our own lives when speaking up for Ahmedis, Christians, Women, Children and against brutality and moral decay as a whole? I don’t want to be fenced in with these animals. I don’t deserve to be. I don’t believe in the self righteous religious hypocrisy spreading like a disease in every segment of the population, educated and uneducated. I hate it. I think the people who have the opportunity to complete 4 years of college in a Midwest private college only to return and have the audacity to be unapologetic about holding unfounded beliefs like how Ahmedis are not Muslim, or blowing up Jews is an act of goodwill, or beating a woman is acceptable, are the worst of the lot. You are right. Pakistanis are the problem. We are sick. We don’t deserve to leave. And our mothers brought us up to be this way. Its not the system. Its not the Americans. Its just what we have been infected with since birth. In fact when I get out of here I make every effort NOT to be associated to Pakistanis. And I am unapologetic. I don’t want to be one of them. Im embarrassed. And I guess if that makes me unpatriotic, so be it! My grandfather didn’t fight for independence for this Pakistan. And I know that tomorrow, if I put my name on an article condemning the inhumanity of the Pakistani peoples beliefs, and their states laws I would be a target as well.
    So what do we do Fasi. What do we do?Recommend

  • Ammar
    Aug 24, 2010 - 2:22PM

    I am surprised how people claim that they are proud Pakistanis. What world owe to us? Why do we deserve world’s sympathy? Because we are humans? Are we really what (human) we claim to be? Put this shameful incident aside, aren’t these the Pakistanis who commit mass murders in markets, in theaters, in parks, and other public places? Aren’t those the Pakistanis who defend such heinous crimes? Are we still proud Pakistanis? Well I feel ashamed of being one today.Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 2:25PM

    Just for a second, can we all not take refugee or provide justification from/to Islam and think only for a second, only for second, just think as a HUMAN …. coz if we will answer this question we will get all the answers that fortunately will lead to/from Islam.
    (BTW Alhamdoliah I am a very proud practicing Muslim)Recommend

  • komikool
    Aug 24, 2010 - 2:26PM

    blah blahh blah, everyone can do this blah blah, we need someone with solutions, we know the problems.Recommend

  • Adnan Tariq
    Aug 24, 2010 - 2:32PM

    I completely agree with this article, in fact i think that if the people who participated in beating the poor boys up are killed publicly in the same manner, no one in their right mindset will even think about committing this act ever again……Recommend

  • Taimur Khan
    Aug 24, 2010 - 2:35PM

    Let’s recognize evil and fight it and speak for justice. But Pakistan is not a failed state, certain people have failed. And they will be punished in this world and the next inshAllah. Let us continue to keep trying and to strive to do good and make Pakistan a better placeRecommend

  • Buland
    Aug 24, 2010 - 2:41PM

    An extremely over-reacted and radical claim. This journalist is clearly speaking out of hate after seeing the video of the two Sialkot brothers. I, partly, agree with him that certain people in Pakistan should have their self-esteem lowered…. But that, however, does not mean Pakistanis are ‘human cockroaches.’ This columnist should first research on the several types of ‘cockroaches’ residing in our world. To prove my point, I have ten examples:

    RUSSIA – A place where the Mafia runs a muck and where a Russian dies every 18 minutes, averaging 84 deaths per day.

    BRAZIL – Street crime is rampant in parts of Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paolo, organized criminal groups have waged wars against police and public institutions that were unable to be bribed, prison riots are brutally suppressed, drugs and narco-terrorism claim civilian casualties.

    SOUTH AFRICA – Rape capital of the world.

    BURUNDI – A country with no absolute authority faces regular muggings, car-jackings, kidnappings, and mass murder.

    AFGHANISTAN – Banditry, tribal violences, drug-related violence, and suicide bombings. Also the world’s largest supplier of hashish and opium.

    SOMALIA – A failed state known for its anarchy, corruption, lack of government, and starvation.

    SUDAN – Some of the worlds most famous killers have earned their stripes in Sudan, finishing with degrees in car-bombing, rocket launching and genocide. Desperation, death and destruction are synonymous with Sudan.

    COLUMBIA – Kidnapping is the main worry, with 2,338 kidnappings in 1998. Ranked fourth in the world for murders, and supplies 75% of the world’s cocaine.

    IRAQ – It is a ruined nation that is racked with violence, despair and confusion. Improvised Explosive Devices, Explosively Formed Penetrators, and mines are a constant threat, as are suicide bombers who have slain hundreds. Kidnappings and random killings are reported with almost mind-numbing frequency. Truly, a hell on earth.

    US of A – There are more than 50 murders a day, 10 times that of Germany. Nearly 5000 people die a year in truck crashes, about 6000 pedestrians die on the streets and 31000 people end their own lives. The USA now leads all nations in violent crime. Militias, hate groups and other right wing radicals all spread their message of violence and are known to throw around the odd pipe-bomb. The government is not much better, spending a whopping $600 billion a year on defence in order to contain the handful of nations hostile to it.

    So, Fasi, please think twice before you blatantly claim us to be the ‘human cockroaches,’ and do not base your claim out of hate.Recommend

  • sahar iqbal
    Aug 24, 2010 - 2:41PM

    i agree with fassi on some points. Yes, we are failed to prove ourselves as a civilized nation. Civilized is a big jargon for us, we haven’t touched the limits of being a human and this inhumanity is portrayed through our actions. If few people are ready to pollute this pond it doesn’t mean that we are lacking few good men too. InshaAllah there will be a evolution :)Recommend

  • faisal feroz
    Aug 24, 2010 - 2:48PM

    funny how many Canadian and Malaysian shortcut immigration messages Ive got in this very week!! anyone for tranquilizer shots here ??Recommend

  • haya
    Aug 24, 2010 - 2:51PM

    Good one, however, “stop demeaning yourself and us.” Yes, we are flawed human beings but don’t just go out of the away to discredit us of our humanity and right to exist and struggle for higher principles. Yes, we are all part of the problem, why not become a part of the solution. Why are we so damn obsessed with our reputation? Lets start by rewriting the wrongs and putting things to right. For once, people are appalled, why not seize the opportunity to recycle some of this mess into a formidable future? Are we going to give up, and blame our ancestors and brains for everything. Can one of us, give a hand to those who have fallen, help those who ask for it and share some basic human values. Can we all not unite for once and for Pakistan’s sake. Oh no! Cos its easy to blame, duck and retire. We all do it, its infectious and we need a Messiah to set it right. Guess what there is none………lets all unite and become one, until we really find out how cockroaches live and trust me, its no fun. Lets try and spread the message of Humanity, Humility and Happiness. And yes, these religious zealots, we can root them out, but that takes a revolution and of course an intellect that sees through time. As long as the sun is out, the light is there, we still can see and find a way. Lets rise to the occasion and show some chivalry (lets hope there is some left).Recommend

  • javaid durrani
    Aug 24, 2010 - 2:51PM

    it is a brutal act person those did is not a human .they are animals .i watch the interview of the grandfather of innocent boys .he looks very pious man his words make me speechless .Recommend

  • hakeem
    Aug 24, 2010 - 2:53PM

    Never loose hope we have started introspecting is sign that dawn is behind next sharp turn.Recommend

  • Hassan
    Aug 24, 2010 - 3:03PM

    Just when you think this god forsaken country and people cannot stoop any lower, they do.

    This is the beginning of the end of this failed stateRecommend

  • sana
    Aug 24, 2010 - 3:13PM

    We deserve to be wiped off the earth, the world would be better off without Pakistani’s.Recommend

  • Fasi Zaka
    Aug 24, 2010 - 3:23PM

    **@Mango Juice**: You are so right, I also apologise to cockroaches.Recommend

  • Usama Waheed Ahmad
    Aug 24, 2010 - 3:25PM

    Great article Fasi bhai.. you are one of those journalists who really cares about these bloody events and mistreatment towards minorities. I want to thank you because you exposed mistreatment with Ahmadis as I am an Ahmadi. I was in the model town mosque on 28th may for juma prayer at the time of attack. I have seen that whole bloody episode with my own eyes and was waiting for my turn however Allah saved me. But i was very much dis hearted after hearing some journalists on these attacks however after reading you I got confidence that still some people are present in Pakistan who support right and discourage bad. Regards. Usama Waheed.Recommend

  • Omer
    Aug 24, 2010 - 3:46PM

    Completely agreed. Recommend

  • Mishal
    Aug 24, 2010 - 3:50PM

    what the hell is this article going to do??? what difference will it make??
    The feelings this article talks about are mutually shared by every civilised brain of pakistan; probably all of the readers of this newsletter.
    But why dont you go out there and try to change things??

    For me, I am at the stage where I am still completing my education. However I did have a petition signed and handed over to governmental authorities(and international NGOs) to do something to prevent the lawlessness that exists in this society. Anyway, they respond that it is a secondary concern for this country; a minor issue…
    But bloody hell, when is this going to be addressed?

    And why dont you get into politics and try to change things?

    As they say, barking dogs seldom bite, thundering clouds seldom pour.Recommend

  • Abdul Rafeh Iqbal
    Aug 24, 2010 - 3:50PM

    what surprises me the most, is a question i’d like to ask everybody here…

    did you never read the newspapers before? or is actually that since you saw this inhumane gruesome act, did you realize that, ooh! this also happens on our country…

    what hurts the most, is that we forget those who stood up before and were always shut-up by our soo called ‘elites’.
    those who have power, those who had status…never had traditions, etiquettes, the decency…
    do you know, that dozens of such innocent youngsters are kidnapped, tortured, murdered. females are shot dead by their own family members for having court marriages. young girls are made to marry the Holy Quran in villages so that the elders don’t have to disperse their lands!

    on the other side, i am glad that millions have had an eye-opener to realize the sensitivity of our nation’s cultural backwardness.

    But then again Fasi, why did it have to be that 2 teenage boys were brutally murdered and you came to talk about the cruelty of our nation’s mindset.

    It’s been here for ages…
    And the solution to this, is pretty simple…

    Remove from Man, the thought that he can become god!
    it is in man, his Chauvinism, his ego…which has derailed our country…
    The day you drive your car, avoiding even an inch of dirt falling on a passer-by will you be making an effort in becoming a human again.

    only then, will we talk about being a muslim…
    and that, my friends, is a whole debate altogether…Recommend

  • Fasi Zaka
    Aug 24, 2010 - 4:01PM

    @Divaastic & trahim: Beautifully expressed, very touching, agreed.
    @Buland: I dont care how bad other countries are, makes no excuse for us. Recommend

  • AK Changezi
    Aug 24, 2010 - 4:21PM

    well said fasi….but the problem is that we pakistanis are very good at criticizing, blaming others but we r not even ready to rectify our own mistakes…there has always been lack of practical measures in us, be that any problem….we always critisize the leaders but dun accept the fact that they are there bcz of our votes and surprisingly every time we vote for them….we ciritsize the system but never ready to change it…non of us is ready to accept own committed blunders….we just log on to internet and find some where to write a comment or argue with others and then we feel that our duty is fullfilled!!! khud apne gariban mein kub jankenge??? the youth who was the hope of Qaid e azam is never seen, whatever problem the nation facesRecommend

  • Fasi Zaka
    Aug 24, 2010 - 4:23PM

    @Mishaal: Congrats on taking the radical step of signing a petition. We are saved.

    @Abdul Rafeh Iqbal: agreedRecommend

  • hamza
    Aug 24, 2010 - 4:30PM

    If i may point out,the incident that happened in sialkot is nothing new, incidents like these have happened before in karachi and other areas too,we and the magic word is WE never noticed it either, we the educated are part of the pervasive mindset that exist,we exist in fantasy of being actually part of the american and european world while the not so educated live with the self righteous religious view that the rest of the world is all of infidels, we..WE have to change for the middle and lower classes to change.Recommend

  • R.W
    Aug 24, 2010 - 4:45PM

    Thank you Fasi! Its high time we need bashing articles like these. Pakistanis are a failed peopleRecommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 4:50PM

    Brutality is never justified. It has no religion, no culture , no race, no home, it erupts and satiate the devil’s will and disappears. Its not a constant systematic process, Which represents a society or culture.The only way out from brutality is to soften people with education, norms and traditions. Such type of event can occur any where in the world when the sane becomes insane and rationale wipes away with cannibalistic approach. Fasi is true in a sense that its a shameful event for the people standing around the the scene.We have a lot of people they are soft, cultured and civilized. We have to remain alive and we have to prove our rich culture of kindness and love. surely we will. Recommend

  • Umm e
    Aug 24, 2010 - 5:16PM

    Seeing what happened in Sialkot, I’m scared to leave home. Call me paranoid, but I have found myself wondering when stepping out of the car, whether a blood thirsty mob will attack me some day too.

    Seeing a long list of such incidents, it not only shows what we’re made up of but also demonstrates failure on behalf of the state which has not conclusively made an example of any such attacking mob. I’m afraid that this incident like others will also be brushed under the carpet.

    The question is where do we go from here? How can in our own individual ways we protect these incidents?Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 6:03PM

    Tarring the whole nation with a black brush does not serve any purpose. We need to rationally analyse the episode and to try to find the real reasons behind this sordid incident. Opposing an emtional outburst with one of our own is not the answer. We have to keep our cool, critically dissect the whole thing and come up with solutions. Many brutal acts are happening in many different parts of the world. But they do not blame the whole nation for the act of a few individuals. We have to closely examine and diagnose the malaise and come with treatment rather than throwing in the towel as a nation. Anger, emtionalism and frustration is not an answer to the chaose that we are going through. We should have satisfaction the we have reacted sharply and sternly to every such act of brutality. This act is surely not a representative of the thinking of the whole Pakistani nation. For every scoundrel, there is a hero. We have just to find and nurture them. A nation of 180 million people can’t be pushed into the dustbin for the evil act of a few individuals. A tiny minority of extremists, biggots and morons certainly does not represent me and millions of other Pakistanis who are peaceful, rational, just, dignified, intelligent, honest and magnanimous.Recommend

  • sunny
    Aug 24, 2010 - 6:05PM

    Pakistan is sick! I not like to go there!Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 6:15PM

    Thanks for keeping it real Fasi…all the optimism was driving me insane.Recommend

  • Zahid
    Aug 24, 2010 - 6:22PM

    Good article…and good comments to follow-up. But “look! Outside!…the streets are filling up with a civil army marching towards the constitution to once and for all start the end of this barbaric regime”…..will you join?….right now…RIGHT NOW if the revolution was calling YOU outdoors…would you go?…hell no…we’re too comfortably distracted with the internet at home…a bunch of cowards is what we are…coward speakers…coward listeners…if mr. Zaka has such a voice and can gain such attention…why is he a writer?…if he has such brilliant ideas, why does he pen it…instead of striving to petition it?…why are you not a politician?Recommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 6:24PM

    Every time I make a comment, your window, for some reason, shows my location as Sialkot. Today, I guess it is right in an uncanny way, for despite being thousands of miles away I do feel as I and most of us were a part of that mob in Sialkot. I agree with the author in that the Sialkot incident is symbolic of what we have become. I have keenly followed the outpouring of disgust on this incident in the country’s media and have noticed that most (not all) of the dismay has been caused by two factors: One, that the two brothers were most likely innocent and two that the method adopted to kill them was very brutal. Which implies that if these two teenagers or kids (as the civilized world calls and treats the people of their age) were guilty and were killed in a more ‘humane’ manner –e.g. by being shot or slaughtered ala Taliban- that would be deemed acceptable. Hence, a society that finds such dispensation of mob-justice acceptable is, to say the least, is perverse which is unmoved by killing in midst of those who it judges guilty of a crime. As we have seen the range of such crimes in Pakistan can be vast and fungible and can include from a robbery to a love marriage against the established norms, an act of praying by an Ahmedi, an alleged blasphemy by a Christian etc. hence it is the mistakenness and the imagery of the act that has disturbed most people and not the intent. Recommend

  • hassan
    Aug 24, 2010 - 6:28PM

    Amazing article and so brutally true. We need more of people like you and Mr.Hassan Nisar to show us our true face.Recommend

  • KRS
    Aug 24, 2010 - 6:29PM

    take away the justice system, add poverty, helplessness, and corrupt gov. and believe me ANY nation will become brutal animals or failed nation as you put it.Recommend

  • Maq
    Aug 24, 2010 - 6:31PM

    as per history messengers of God come on this situaton.
    Does this society need a guided on from God?Recommend

  • Sidra Khan
    Aug 24, 2010 - 6:47PM

    Ok here is the thing, why are you stereotyping the whole nation? good and bad people exist everywhere and we need to see the bigger picture from all this aka the Rule of law and what led to a mob murder (as the saying goes, “never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups”, you would understand what I am saying if you understand the psychology of a Mob and how it can b wielded for a benefit) Secondly, No one is proud of what happened but why are we ashamed of our nation and heritage? there is nothing wrong with it. We distorted it and we need to take steps to change our situation and it would have to start at individual level.Recommend

  • Rabia
    Aug 24, 2010 - 7:10PM

    Ugh. But true. It makes you weep. So what can be done about us cockroaches? I don’t want to be stamped on. And I don’t stamp on anyone else. Lets have solutions. Recommend

  • Sanya
    Aug 24, 2010 - 7:13PM

    Well Said!!Recommend

  • ali
    Aug 24, 2010 - 7:18PM

    nothing will change
    those who raise their voices will b killed evn more brutally
    dats wat has happnd n wat will happen
    wat gud is us sitting here n talking bout it doing?Recommend

  • ali
    Aug 24, 2010 - 7:20PM

    and no
    v wont get some messiah dis time
    v r a failure as a nation or anything dat v try to kall ourselvesRecommend

  • Bangash
    Aug 24, 2010 - 7:23PM

    Pakistanis are indeed psychologically sick, Fasi is on target. Recommend

  • JS
    Aug 24, 2010 - 7:28PM

    Good work, Fasi!
    Though, agree with MOhammed Anwerzada, Sara, and, a few others’ comments.
    Because of such blood thirsty, and, various other [around 80% of the population and growing] barbaric scoundrels, probably backed by corrupt people of power, everyone, even the somewhat good, helpless, who are continually persecuted by these law breaking, notorious, stereotypes, that have crept their way like maggots into every nook and cranny of the metropolis/country, have to suffer [physically/mentally] perpetually!Recommend

  • Maha
    Aug 24, 2010 - 7:58PM

    My sentiments exactly.

    Please don’t feel bad about using the term cockroaches because the lives we lead are to be honest a lot worse than cockroaches. Unlike cockroaches we’re educated, have tongues and unfortunately a brain that we never use. The murder in Sialkot only reinforces my belief that The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is nothing but a delusional by-product of a more delusional Quaid who actually thought our Jahil people were capable of running a state with ease and oh ‘Brotherhood’. Our country was built on the foundation of millions of dead bodies and it’s great to see not much has changed.
    And for the love of God, yes the Muslim god everyone believes in please don’t expect him to come save you because if he does exist he has a lot more to do than deal with a nation that blames everything on wrong doers, gunahgaar and America.
    It’s sick to see our country that’s meant to be our home, an Independent state where one should feel safe is now nothing but a psychotic beggar who is ready to kill if he doesn’t get money or his way.
    What a jip! Recommend

  • Kamil Rextin
    Aug 24, 2010 - 8:02PM

    I echo all that is said above and before me.Recommend

  • Zahid Tanvir
    Aug 24, 2010 - 8:09PM

    Thank you all for your comments, i too was shocked to hear about this event, i do not have the stomach to be able to see this video, does anybody know why this happened?
    I have heard may comments on how cruel the people of Pakistan are, from various comments on this site and also growing up as a British Pakistani, from media reports, lets face it the only news we hear on TV is bad.
    How many times do we see brutal killings on T.V, for instance here the UK – Stephan Lawrance come to mind, from what i recall his killers have walked free! James Boulger ! The list goes on thats just in the UK if one starts about the States or even Europe we will be here all night. But i do not recall any one of these countries being blamed for these acts!
    In order to resolve a problem one has to look into the core roots of the problem. Which i personally have done, as i child i only visited pakistan once in 1983-4 at the age of 10 you tend not to notice much other then culture shock. But it was my 2nd visit at 18 when i spent 3 month there i began to question not understand but question. I guess at that age one does, this made me want to understand various cultures and peoples behaviour. Lucky for me landed a career in which i got to travel the world and see and study cultures. The most interesting fact was that most of the poorest actually not most all were divided up in 1947- The whole African – North African, Middle East,India,Pakistan, China , South America the list goes on. This of course was due to the end of the Britsh Empire and other small ones. But what these poor countries were left with was pure rule by proxy – where do you think the dictators have come from, looking after their own interests not the people they govern and of course the IMF – aka the West.

    “Keep a race hungry, they will just worry about survival, fill their stomach then they will use their brain, thats when they become dangerous” Those of you smart alleks that have condemed a whole nation over the stupid act of a few need to wake up.

    If anyone is to blame for this act its the people that carried it out. The current government of Zardari – this stupid dynasty system embedded in pakistanis, as they have never known true democracy. From Jinnah to now what democracy have the people in Pakistan known. Taken the West thousands of years and countless cival wars to get to where they are and people like you sit and type and condemn a whole race. Suggest you actually try and understand before you make judgement. In this world you have 2 types of people GOOD and BAD nothing to do with race relgion colour. From my extensive travels and studies Pakistan and its people are humble and most welcoming, to understand them one needs to have an open mind theres the old saying “WHEN IN ROME BE A ROMAN” these people find it hard to trust anyone simply due to historical reasons!

    Just for the record incase anyone does not know when Pakistan was formed 10 Elite families were given all the land industry and wealth of pakistan, Jinnah was the “Hamid Karazai” at the time who of course was of blue blood.

    I suggest to all of you instead of pointing out the problems in Pakistan, lets try and find a solution.

    Face it we all care, we just like expressing our anger in differant ways but that is not the solution.

    Just for the record iant a religious freak or part of any group or party i am just like every other concerned British Pakistani!

    Kind Regards

    Zahid TanvirRecommend

  • ally K
    Aug 24, 2010 - 8:23PM

    I was so happy to read this article, finally someone said it, we need to be accountable for what we have become as a nation and at the end of the day we have to stop pointing fingers.
    After the sialkot incident I haveread many comments such as “I’m ashamed to call myself Pakistani.” but this isnt a first what about the attack on the srilankan team or the attack on the qadiani mosque or the countless honor killings orprem chand being called kafir story or tere bin laden being banned in Pakistan, the outcries against prophet muhammad(PBUH) drawing competitions but not a word when shias, qadianis, sunnis etc are killed.
    It really is a sorry state of affairs but I really am sick of the intolerence brewing in this society. Worst of all I am sick of the excuses, the “but america..” or “they are illiterate” or “but look at what the west says” or “india has a hand in it”
    Grow up, recognize what OUR problem is so that we can fix it!!!Recommend

  • Samreen
    Aug 24, 2010 - 8:25PM

    I guess people are tired of blaming the government so they resort to blaming themselves. Rightly so in a lot of aspects. I hang my head low for how grave our situation is and continues to be. But is it necessary to wallow in our own cesspool of mistakes and bludgeon ourselves to the point of self-annihilation? There are as many people who admonish the recent events as those who think othwerwise – possibly? Is self-ridicule, mutilation, and punishment going to make our situation any better? No. An acute sense of self-awareness, and probably ten times the confidence to restore faith in ourselves.
    I can relate to the cynicism, but only until it ceases to be counter-productive. This article only reinforces our guilt. Sure, you want us to feel like the scum of the earth. But I’m concerned asto whether this little existential rant actually “helped” someone?
    You and I can sit and talk about how **** we are, but it isn’t going to help us get back on our feet and fight the nausea and ridicule off.
    Panacea for the tortured souls of our country it is not. Let us not dwell for too long on our mistakes and save our faces! Let’s be more positive from hereon in!Recommend

  • abdullah khan
    Aug 24, 2010 - 8:28PM

    wow, you all really suffer from an innate sense of inadequacy and self loathing.yes, it was a shameful incident, yes if you have any relation to pakistan, you will feel a small measure of resentment for belonging to the same country as these barbarians; and yes, it is wrong to blame it on natural disasters. But saying things like build a fence around us so we dont infect the rest of the world – speak for yourself. there’s good and bad everywhere and yes, we got a little more of ‘bad’ in us but to condemn yourself and the whole nation is taking it abit too far Recommend

  • ArifQ
    Aug 24, 2010 - 8:34PM

    Dear Fasi Zaka

    Seeing the response to your article gives me some hope that we as a nation do still have a pulse and can feel the pain others feel. I have just one question, assuming it was not two Sunni muslim boys instead they were two christian or hindu boys, would we have the same response? Recent history would suggest otherwise. Keep writing, we may just turn the corner.Recommend

  • omar
    Aug 24, 2010 - 8:36PM

    I am surprised that Zaid Hamid has not revealed the Hindu-Jewish hand behind the Sialkot incident yet. Maybe he is waiting for the right moment. After all, we know that the entire police force is penetrated by RAW agents, and most poor Pakistanis are closet Hindus. Besides, Sialkot is only 10 miles from India and we know that RAW now has access to HARaamMY, the super-secret mind control beam developed by the elders of Zion in their secret factory in Bangalore. Its existence was revealed in our last communique (operation Blue Tulsi Two: the Mahabharata conspiracy). In fact, the plan was to beat the two brothers to death and then use their dead bodies to penetrate Kahuta security using the Air Blue coffin service. But dont worry, our super-intelligence agency was able to block them in Sialkot and once again our great agency (number one in the world) has successfully blocked the Brahmin-Zionist plot against Medina Saani…Recommend

  • Ayesha Salma
    Aug 24, 2010 - 8:41PM

    I concur with Ayesha Ijaz Khan’s response. What happened in Sialkot is pathetic and deplorable and indeed our heads hang in collective shame. However, this should galvanise us into positive action rather than condemn us into even greater misery and reduction in national pride. I have lived outside Pakistan for many years and there are countless times when I am reminded of what is good about our culture and our society. Everyday I come across people from other countries who are so proud of their heritage. But everytime I come across a fellow Pakistani, they seem embarassed of their background or want to hide it. What we are going through in Pakistan is a mix of very many domestic and foreign policy failures and we are battling extraordinary circumstances. As we salvage our souls from this wreckage, let’s not forget all that is good about us either.
    One correction: let’s not be under any illusions that the world cares enough about Pakistanis for our politicians or generals to worry about maintaining a semblance of humanity in our systems. The rest of the world could not care less about Pakistan. You only have to see a comparison of the funds raised for Haiti, Sri Lanka, Tsunami and our floods to understand just how much concern this so-called “international community” has for Pakistanis. While Pakistan is struggling with its worst disaster, the media here cannot escape its obsession with terrorism. This deters public sympathy for the cause and means less aid for Pakistan.Recommend

  • Habiba
    Aug 24, 2010 - 8:55PM

    We as a nation are to be loathed, not pitied!Recommend

  • Arfa
    Aug 24, 2010 - 9:12PM

    Once again spoken like a true elitist.
    if 20%(or take 40% if you want) of the population has no humanity so the whole nation is inhumane.if so then you are part of the “inhumane”
    population.i though only the west was suffering from the 80/20 rule.if some small part of a group is bad, blacklist them ALL as terrorists.
    writing an article in English which is being read by only a very teeeny tiny proportion, you have only taken out your own frustration.neither unique nor constructive. Recommend

  • kamni syed
    Aug 24, 2010 - 9:16PM

    truth unveils… at least someone had the balls to write how exactly things are. THANK YOU
    Kamni SyedRecommend

  • Rania
    Aug 24, 2010 - 9:22PM

    Well said, I completely agree with you.

    This was a CRIME against HUMANITY!

    There is no LAW & ORDER in PAKISTAN, where government officials/officers can be bought to keep there mouths shut or to turn a blind eye.

    JUSTICE must be done for the family of these two innocent brothers. I am ashamed to be of Pakistani descent, even though I was born to a British Pakistani couple, which makes me British? Thank GOD!!

    I watched the footage and it shocked me to the core, I could in no way describe the feelings of shock, anger and upset it caused me, and if you think about it, this was me watching footage via youtube, did the bystanders not have a heart WHO watched this infront of there eyes?? How could they just stand and watch/record such a hideous crime? It is beyond me. I can say for the past 3 days I have not been able to sleep, or really have an appetite to eat at Sehri or Iftar.

    In the month of Ramadan, two innocent life’s were taken, who were at the time fasting. May Allah (SWT) Grant them Jannat e Firdoz Ameen and for those ANIMALS may he grant them HELL FIRE on earth and JAHUNAM in the here after.

    I urge people to write to the Pakistan Ministry of Law & Justice, to express there disgust and to demand JUSTICE to be done for the family and that the murderers/policemen are given the same punishment that they seemed was good for these two young brothers. It may or may not make a difference, but at least we are trying to do something positive in the name of Humanity?

    [email protected]

    [email protected]

    It’s worth a try, please forward the above emails to all friends/family and urge them to please email there views and to demand JUSTICE to be done.

    Regards,

    RaniaRecommend

  • zarik
    Aug 24, 2010 - 9:23PM

    A good read.A tragic incident. I for one am ashamed to be a Pakistani today. Pakistan died for me on 15 August, 2010. However,I must add why didn’t the Pakistani nation make such a hue and cry when five girls from Baluchistan were buried alive and than later feudals called it part of our tradition? Oh let me also mention that one of the feudal landlord later become a federal minister. We are all to blame. We were quite than and let injustice be done and now these boys suffered the brunt of our careless attitude.Recommend

  • Mango man
    Aug 24, 2010 - 9:23PM

    Agreed with every single word of this Article. Truth hurts…Recommend

  • hk
    Aug 24, 2010 - 9:28PM

    you have been trying so hard to become secular and democratic, well these are it’s fruitsRecommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 9:46PM

    Brilliantly put! Couldn’t agree more!

    Pakistanis need to get over their delusion that simply avoiding sex and shunning the homosexuals gives us some sort of a moral high ground. Morality constitutes a lot more than just our antediluvian conceptions of sex, family and religion.

    Some solemn introspection would do us all a world of good. The moment we realize the kind of barbaric-minded neanderthals we’ve all become is the moment we can begin to rectify ourselves.Recommend

  • waleed khattak
    Aug 24, 2010 - 9:49PM

    ‘when i was little i was clever, i wanted to change the world, now that i m old and wise i realize i just need to change myself.’
    its time that we realize that everything thats happening around us is because of the misdoings we do everyday, once we realize we all are part of this and have contributed in the failure of this ‘failed state’, we would try to correct ourselves. we need to look at ourselves in the mirror and analyze ourselves, we would realize that the image we see is the problem and the solution at the same time. we need to head back to our roots i.e Quran, and read it with translation, we would immediately realize that all this time the answer to all our queries and the problems we face was lying on that corner of the book shelf all covered in dust. no one is born barbaric or born immoral or violent, the society and the environment around us makes us like that. we need to change that environment by changing ourselves and inshallah that ll prove as a ripple effect and slowly and gradually everything will change. it requires patience and determination, inshallah God will help us with that, we just need to act.
    may allah give us the strength and the patience to go through these hard times. Ameen.Recommend

  • Srishti
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:08PM

    Hey Fasi,

    Kudos to you for writing this piece. I know that the minute people see Delhi against my name, the assumption will be that this is another Indian gloating at your sorrow. I just wanted you to know I absolutely feel the same way. We can claim to be completely different people, but really, this corruption, this sickness has a common ancestry. If it’s karo-kari there, the honor killings of couples from the same ‘gotra’ is rampant here,no difference. The Commonwealth games could have been an amazing opportunity for us to showcase the richness of the entire subcontinent, instead it has become a joke of some sort, especially between the government and organizers especially.
    The point is, whichever side of the border you might be on, our cribbing is no different, these rants are no different. Most of us will pat ourselves on the back at our consciousness and how progressive and aware we are, but we’re falling into the same trap too. So my question is, what are you we going to do about this? There has got to be a way out of this, i’m not recommending any “revolutionary” solution, I don’t even have one, but there must be some way we can get over ourselves, this self pity, this teenage ranting and move on to do something worthwhile for countries that may be at the bottom of their games, but they are ours nonetheless. Let’s work to find a solution, no matter how small, no matter how many or little people it actually affects.
    Till then, thanks for this, gives us all something to ponder. Recommend

  • Fatima Najeeb, Advocate
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:36PM

    August 19th, 2010: I would totally 100% agree with what you wrote. I was very angry and disturbed.

    August 24th, 2010: Been thinking about it a lot, I beg to differ for couple of reasons.

    If you take a stroll down the history, you’ll come across innumerable ‘Sialkot’ episodes from all over the world. As far as my limited reading and knowledge is concerned, thanks to books and films, crucification of Jesus could be termed as one of the biggest events of brutality. There have been so many crucifications since then, symbolically speaking of course. It convinces me that basically human nature is barbaric and blood-thirsty. They do not let an opportunity pass by where they could shed blood and feel content by doing so. The situation of course gets worse in the times of war and like events.

    As a child, I remember having studied various chapters of the Islamic Studies, wherein incidents of brutality were very carefully included. It aimed at proving that there were extreme practices of brutality and barbarianism and that Islam transformed everything. I wanted to believe it, but the subsequent chapters in the book would not let me, as these contained stories of indiscriminative blood-shed. A never-ending blood-shed which took so many lives that one loses account of, including Imam Hussain.

    Humans, have this deep down fantasy for such acts and you can say that it’s in their very core (JIBILAT). It can be proved by the historic events that not one class of people or religion could be held responsible for it. Every cast, religion, culture and community, whenever they get an opportunity, does not fail. And this JIBILAT is probably the reason why we tend to portray God as barbaric too. Since childhood, I have been hearing about how God will burn one layer of skin and then reproduce another only to be burnt again and the burning/reproduction session goes on. And this is just one of those frightening stories. I am a believer in God and the Day of Judgment but I fail to appreciate the fact that we are asked to do good deeds in order to be saved from the fires of hell instead of the fact that we must do good anyway.

    Once I reach this conclusion, I try to find the difference in countries where such events do not or happen once a while. To my mind, only one explanation and reason comes and that is the reaction to such event. Such a thing would not go unaddressed in countries where there is law and order, accountability and high moral standards. But on the other hand, in a country like ours, we shall come with excuses for such incidents such as this one. There is lawlessness, lack of accountability and lots of frustration. If only once, those responsible were brought to justice and that too by going through the due process and not whims, things would have been different.

    The learned friends have quoted some of the few incidents which took place in Pakistan. Many remain unheard and undiscovered. Let me just say one last thing, if we do not stand up against such acts of brutality and it includes doing something to stop the heinous murders of those who are killed in the name of honor and those who are sacrificed by angry mobs under the garb of ‘Toheen-e-Risalat’, we shall be doomed. This has to stop and has to stop now. And therefore we must all think what we can do.

    Apologies if my view point hurt anyone’s emotions or feelings. If any, was not deliberate or intentional.Recommend

  • Mehr
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:37PM

    I feel shame yes, even more so when I read this article and the comments below it. Highly demotivating.
    If you do not hope, you will not find what is beyond your hopes. – St. Clement of AlexandraRecommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 10:38PM

    very well written sir, but these problems are not just with Pakistan. whole humanity is facing the same problem. we all are too selfish to think beyond ourself..!Recommend

  • Mehr
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:38PM

    I feel shame yes, even more so when I read this article and the comments below it. Highly demotivating. Don’t think words like these inspire change.
    If you do not hope, you will not find what is beyond your hopes. – St. Clement of AlexandraRecommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 10:38PM

    if the violent actions of the few are an indication of the majority then what does Jamie Bulger, Baby P , the SOham murders, and the beheading of PC Blakelock say about my people, the British…
    this stuff happens, its not Pakistani, or islmaic, any more than the violence in Britain is British or ChristianRecommend

  • Aug 24, 2010 - 10:39PM

    Dear Folks,

    Yes, What ever happened in that incident, it proves that we have been failed. Yes, We should stop this blaming approach now. We should give up this projected approach that every incident or problem is brought by States or Government. It is easy to blame others than rectifying yourself.

    We should stop enforcing our mind steps on others. It is a common phenomena that every one in my country believes that he/she is the sub contractor of God and take this approach in a very negative manner.

    When your own home is burning you dont run to save your neighbor’s home. We should stop asking “AZAB” prayers for every non Muslim. Save yourself from “AZABS” first.Recommend

  • Faisal Siddiqui
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:45PM

    “There is such a sense of sickening moral superiority in Pakistanis,”

    I am surprised the irony of that statement in this blog is lost on the author and the commentators.Recommend

  • Zahra
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:48PM

    It is pretty well written, and I agree with some of the stuff he is saying. But then our nation is one that redeems itself, and prides itself with the want of improvement.
    That is why the video of the brutal murders are up on news channels and not hushed in the background. That is why we are acting as one to stop the disastrous effects of the floods. We want to help each other recover.
    If this was any other nation I would feel the same way about the people who are responsible, as a Pakistani I am ashamed of what happened in Sialkot, but my, as well as millions of other Pakistanis, redeeming quality is that I recognize that this occurs and want to raise awareness and ‘fix’ the situation.
    Human cockroaches? I don’t think so.Recommend

  • Manzoor Ahmad
    Aug 24, 2010 - 10:59PM

    Everyone seems to agree with Fasi but neither he nor any of the contributor is suggesting what should be done. There is already a fence around us. No one not even our fellow Islamic countries would allow us to visit them or come to see us. It is obvious that the main reason for our becoming so intolerant is our over-zealousness on our religion. The more we go that way, the more cruelty we see. The CJ is taking notice of this particular case but he needs to look at the causes of the disease and not just these symptoms. His comment that he needs to oversee the work of the parliament so that it does not go for secularism is a sad reflection of our institutions and the people who are running them. Till we have such people at the top, unfortunately there is not much hope for our society.Recommend

  • Mudasar
    Aug 24, 2010 - 11:06PM

    I am writing these words with some tears in my eyes….now we cannot take them back ……. but this incident gives us another chance to rise as a nation …… if we only condem it and forgive after few days then i am agreed with you …. but i could says that i was the part of that crowed with jeanRecommend

  • aysha
    Aug 24, 2010 - 11:30PM

    Why has it taken an incident of such incomprehensible severity for a nation to finally begin to be introspective and address the deeply embedded social issues that have led to this destruction of the moral fabric of society? Sialkot the birthplace of Iqbal – he is probably turning in his grave… Recommend

  • vikas ranjan
    Aug 24, 2010 - 11:36PM

    Well said Fasi Zaka. However, I am sickened of and shudder at the ‘revenge’ being suggested by some, demanding ‘death by equal torture in a public place’ to the perpetrators. But would that not make those who demand,execute and gleefully witness this barbarity as guilty as the Sialkot mob.What we need is ‘justice’ and not revenge. Or have we stopped believing in ‘an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind’.
    Incidentally, I am also reminded of a court of ‘justice’, in a country I would rather not name, asking medical doctors to find ways of rendering an accused paralysed as justice for causing such an injury to another.We need to find a better conception of justice and FAST.

    Regards.Recommend

  • Usman Ali Farooq
    Aug 24, 2010 - 11:38PM

    Times like these make me wonder why God even bothers to let this twilight parody of a state even continue its existence. We live our lives, lacking anything better to do; devise reason later. Born from oblivion; bear children, hell-bound as ourselves, go into oblivion. Our existence is random. No meaning save what we choose to impose. This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the teenagers. Not fate that gives the mob their squalid sacrifice to whet its appetite till the next, nor is it destiny that lynches with extreme prejudice. It’s us. Only us. Recommend

  • Moby
    Aug 24, 2010 - 11:45PM

    thank you for exposing us as the mass of sickening we really are. i am guilty of it too. we are judgmental to a fault, yet completely lacking in a collective conscience and incapable of action when action is what is really required. we are stuck in a system that is rife with hypocrisy, paradoxes and an inability to do any internal soul searching to see what is really wrong with us. we can blame the whole world for everything and never take responsibility for our own failure and for becoming the miserable, dysfunctional, cowardly pieces of that we have become as a nation. let’s pray five times a day and fast for redemption and then kill two innocent people in the middle of the streets, in the middle of ramzan because we are so self-righteous and convinced of our own moral superiority as individuals, that we can justify every wrong action we take. You know what? God has forsaken us and it’s about time. Let me go self-flagellate because that’s what i feel like doing every time i realize i’m Pakistani.Recommend

  • Mehr
    Aug 24, 2010 - 11:46PM

    Ditto what Faisal Qureshi said. Glad someone else noticed the irony there.Recommend

  • Muhammad Ishtiaq
    Aug 24, 2010 - 11:50PM

    Nothing you said was below what our nation deserves. Recommend

  • sobo
    Aug 24, 2010 - 11:53PM

    i love the responce you are recieving…yes, we may be a small segment of educated lot but definately a coward lot! all we think of is hai may kiya kar sakta hoon? why shud i get invovled? how can i.. im such a loser..

    yes sialkot got screwed over by their “hero” busy recording the entire scenario rather than doign anythign about it… remember the incidents of hundreds of woemn pubically raped? gang raped? had dogs chase them? remember the frustrated men sodomizing little boys? remember the traffricking going on durign the earthquake period? remember the ambulance driver being pulled out of the car and shot during the BB period? remember innocent people being bombed at? i can go on and on… my point is STAND UP EVERYONE AND FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS, FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY, FIGHT FOR YOUR FUTURE! YES I STRONGLY BELIEVE TIMES HAVE CHANGED NOW and people like you and me can and will make a difference now… love yourselves, love your families and friends, love your country! Recommend

  • Arif Khan
    Aug 24, 2010 - 11:58PM

    For those addressed in this, cant read. Irony! Who exactly are you addressing Mr. Bukhari,Recommend

  • sameen haseeb
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:03AM

    u r so right …….Recommend

  • sameen haseeb
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:04AM

    sad … but true ….Recommend

  • Anoop
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:08AM

    Awesome photo by the way.. Recommend

  • Eman
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:15AM

    What a brilliant article by Fasi, Just what we all think but don’t have the courage to face and say out loud, We as a nation and more importantly as humans have failed miserably.Recommend

  • Komal
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:21AM

    I totally agree. We have issues and not because America is evil and not because every single person on this earth who does not share our belief system is conspiring against us but because we have an excuse for every single thing that is wrong with us. Solution needs recognition and not an exhaustive list of buts, because and only ifs. And recognition is only the first step. Recommend

  • Muhander lal
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:33AM

    sir,you r absolutely right.its mentioned also in HOLY QURAN ,that if any country’s nation is bad then they will get the same kind of ruler(king).Recommend

  • Nicheoflights
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:35AM

    With your smiling face and with the heading “Pakistan’s Human Cockroaches” you have condemned the whole nation of Pakistan – just like we do when our players lose a cricket match. We are too quick to condemn our country when such things happen. Instead of giving hope to those who are hurting, instead of showing guidance to the people who need it, so that they may correct themselves, you have just wrapped everything up for this country. Wrong my friend. Many nations have arisen out of cruelties and massacre and human justice, and we should hope and pray the same for Pakistan. We admit it is our fault, and look deeply into the reasons that caused it, reflect on them, try to change and correct ourselves – and then this nation has chance rising in the world with dignity and peace. How can anyone condemn his own parents?

    Sorry Fasi, I am not impressed.

    Nicheoflights
    Islamabad Recommend

  • Hamaad Haider
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:43AM

    Since when did mindless venting of frustration constitute journalism? It is a frustrating time for any self respecting Pakistani. So I do not question reasons for Zaka’s frustration. I question his sweeping remarks on anything that came to mind, devoid of any argument – like a boy going through puberty, hitting on anything that came his way.

    Let’s reserve teenage angst for restrooms. Let’s not become a literary manifestation of the same mob we are condemning. Recommend

  • YA
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:44AM

    Pakistanis at their best. The people who call themselves rational in this country have a tendency of talking a lot and the zealots thanks to Gen Zia (Mard e momin) are eager to do what they believe in (better organised and more disciplined).
    What are we going to do! Sit and loathe ourselves as a country. We already know we are very good at it. If we intend to survive in this barbaric and vicious society, we better do something and we better do it now.
    Take Action or roll up your Shalwar and join them so you could survive until the historical forces decide to make an example of the people of this country.
    I hope it happens soon so we do not have to die a lingering and painful death.Recommend

  • YA
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:51AM

    Let me tell your Mr Arif Khan, you are the one who is being addressed the irony is that you do not know it.Recommend

  • Nissar Hoath
    Aug 25, 2010 - 1:01AM

    Thanks for the great and very true article! You have well portrayed a paan bedi nation as Mr Cowasji once described in one of his columns. It is nothing but a true picture of Pakistan and its people….Recommend

  • Aug 25, 2010 - 1:05AM

    not sure how i feel about this. i think we’ve all felt similarly occasionally – that it becomes harder to be proud of where we’re from every day. and i think the piece is that visceral feeling we get when we see something truly shameful being perpetrated by those with whom we share an identity.

    but at the same time, i don’t think that it is fair to describe a people in half a sentence. the issue of vigilante justice is truly serious – the urdu comments on the youtube video all speak about how the kids didn’t deserve it because they didn’t commit the crime – not that vigilante justice is wrong!!
    same with the issue of failing to recognize the country’s role in global terrorism. i met some estranged aunts today who were convinced that india is causing the flooding (and caused the ’05 earthquake) by detonating bombs in kashmir. i can only imagine who they think is behind our daily terrorist misadventures.

    but i think community-level denial of pakistani culpability in international misdeeds is (largely) unrelated to the refusal to accept responsibility for actions on a personal level – the sort of distancing oneself from deception we see with the roadside dukaanwala. the latter is the sort of duplicity you would find in developing world markets across the world, really virtually every scenario where means of accountability don’t exist.
    the former is more the result of a myriad of poor political decisions. i was reading an urdu newspaper from 1962 a few days ago (i know, pretty fun, huh?!); one of the ads read “amreeki life insurance – apne nonehaal ki khatir”. we were not always a paranoid, disillusioned, misinformed people. well-funded (oil-well-funded, particularly!) propaganda, with complete collusion of our political leaders, has made us this way. to clarify here: i fully acknowledge our societal shortcomings – everyone in the country is corrupt – however, we are at this point through a series of ill inspired decisions by a few, not as a result of widespread breakdown of social order.

    i think that to say that this failure to recognize the primacy of law and our government’s role in sponsoring terrorism is because we’re culturally or morally deficient is a copout. we are not genetically hardwired to be worse than others. poor political decisions have brought us here.

    feeling shame will help. recognizing that culture does not exist in a social vacuum and that building structures of accountability, promoting secular education, etc. will change the way our people perceive the world help more, i think.

    this all said, cant say i haven’t felt this way at times.Recommend

  • Np
    Aug 25, 2010 - 1:05AM

    Thank you for writing this, thank you for your courage. This is the absolute truth that no one wants to face, and if you bring it up you are called every filthy name in the book. I only hope people will wake up and look at their ugly reflection before we do sonething truly terrible as a nation.Recommend

  • Sameer
    Aug 25, 2010 - 1:17AM

    When I saw the clip, I couldn’t stop myself from crying, it was height of inhuman act of violence. Whatever you say, this act can’t be criticised enough. There is no difference between the people who were present there or witness such incidences and animals. But big question is where are the people who have some sense and they believe this act was completely unacceptable to raise their voice against this. When anything goes wrong in the name of religion, people get united and raise their voice at international forums. Why not people are raising their voice for this act, why the justice is taking long?. You don’t have an idea how this act is representing Pakistan and its people at international level. The people involved in this act are not representative of Pakistan or its people as a whole, so please raise your voice before it is established that the people who did that are the TRUE REPRESENTATIVE OF PAKISTAN and its PEOPLE. Recommend

  • Aaliyah
    Aug 25, 2010 - 1:23AM

    Those who have been classified as ‘bad’ are few, yet they have managed to outnumber the ‘good’ because of the terror they have sparked in our hearts and in our minds. I feel horrible for saying this but many of us who want to fight back and eradicate this’bad’ are fearful of meeting with the same end as these boys did. I am ashamed to feel scared of clicking on “LIKE” or “I’m Attending” to the various pages and invitations being being sent to me on Facebook to fight for justice, because i’m paranoid enough to think that I might be tracked down by the very same and be killed. I’m sure many of us out there share my sentiments. Maybe we should risk it, and bear the sacrifice of losing out on more ‘good’ ones, and defeating the ‘bad’.

    So as Fasi Sahab asked us to try; I will try. I will attend the protest outside Karachi Club to ensure the ‘good’ end up victorious, and the ‘bad’ be perished.Recommend

  • Yasir Qadeer
    Aug 25, 2010 - 1:25AM

    The only way out of this menace is to raise our voice and fight for our rights. If we can fight for our right to democracy then we can definitely fight for our right to acknowledge the vision of the founder, a secular Pakistan.Recommend

  • Samar
    Aug 25, 2010 - 1:31AM

    I completely disagree. Transplant all of Pakistan to a “Nation State” which has well established institutions, law and order and transparent accountability and these poor Pakistani souls you have written off will excel.Recommend

  • Aug 25, 2010 - 1:34AM

    fasi zaka, my heart hurts and i cant sleep,neither can my family,this nation has to realise we have to stop blaming others for our problems and come out of our islam superiority complex, we are worse than animals,i wonder why do we even have police and this rescue drama force anyway, we need mjor DELIVERANCE ourselves, what to do?Recommend

  • Saliha
    Aug 25, 2010 - 1:39AM

    Bull’s eye Fasi. All of us here will find it a disgusting sight, feel a tinge of guilt if we get lucky, demand for ‘equal justice’ and yeah applaud you for the article. Just give us two days to sink back in our private oceans of apathy. Until something similar turns up a month or two later, we’d rather have our Iftar Dinner thankyouverymuch. We are not changing. And if we are, then we are definitely not evolving into anything better. We are evolution’s anti-thesis. We’re regressing, we’re moving back to the black hole when the rest of the world is going forward in time. And come to think of it , we’re dinosaurs already.Recommend

  • Azim
    Aug 25, 2010 - 1:45AM

    We are a sick nation. At times we blame the leaders we choose, and at times we look at the rest of the world for its vested agenda towards our atomic status.

    I feel this bomb will destroy us before we can destroy the world. We take it as an excuse for our own illness. Our reason not to change. It has made us feel invincible.

    We are not loyal to anyone, not even to our self leave alone the country, religion or our family.

    We think the world wants us to disintegrate…well 200 million…as you said is a virus and the world fear’s of contamination…..

    Strong harsh words – but feel I am honest.

    But I am postive, change will come, and we will bring it, its happening already as we have some noble stories from the people around us….I know this change will take blood and time,,,,but will come and i hope am there to see it…but also ready to offer my blood.Recommend

  • Syed
    Aug 25, 2010 - 1:53AM

    Good Article Brother. A couple of questions. You said, “Don’t change yourself, but give credit to the indiscriminate and inhumane forces of nature. The floods are a tragedy, an atrocity and should never be used to bolster an argument that really only demands self-reflection.” Is it possible that the Natural disasters along with our mistakes, gives us multiple reasons to have a thorough self-reflection?

    Also, you stated, “And please, in your self-reflection don’t call us animals, most of them are benign vegetarians.” The title of your article is “Pakistan’s human cockroaches,” now is that really fair to the ‘benign’ cockroaches?Recommend

  • hassan
    Aug 25, 2010 - 1:58AM

    generally i find Zaka’s entries very repulsive, but I must agree here that we have been rottening and rottening fast as a nation. We have lost our conscience. such incidents explain why so many people want to migrate elsewhere and why do others dont want us in their country!!Recommend

  • Nasir Choudhary.
    Aug 25, 2010 - 2:03AM

    Very well written Fasi. This was indeed a great loss of integrity (ONCE AGAIN). But i know what will happen next as always. this will be justified, culprits will be free to go, we shall only write, read, condemn, make it a hot gossip for a few more days and then will forget it and eventually will let it happen again and again. Why cant we finish it off once for all? Why cant our GREAT Leaders put aside their personal grudges with this country and work for the betterment of this country and nation after all they are all Government Servants? Recommend

  • RS
    Aug 25, 2010 - 2:15AM

    Watching the blurred videos of the Sialkot brothers, reading this, and following the story develop further in the media has given me the heeby-jeebies. You are spot on, Mr. Zaka, almost as if you transcribed my thoughts onto paper when I was too scared to face the reactions. But, losing patriotism over an isolated incident upsets me. I know I will get responses back saying, “But this isn’t isolated! It happens all the time but we just never hear about it!” but remember one thing, instead of turning your back on your country and blaming others, blame yourself. Instead of criticizing the government and the people of this country, come up with SOLUTIONS. We always absorb ourselves within drawing room politics – a menace more than an academic conversation.Recommend

  • Hira Abbasi
    Aug 25, 2010 - 2:16AM

    Fasi, the hopelessness & shame you feel mirrors my own sentiments. We, the Pakistanis, have created our own hell in the name of religion, honour or some other excuse. At the bottom of it all, we are a bunch of savages, seemingly incapable of rising above our primitive instincts. Recommend

  • LC
    Aug 25, 2010 - 3:03AM

    This is the most pointless article I have read by far. So the sentiment is ‘we suck’ and your solution is….? And its a bit arrogant to dismiss the over 180 million pakistanis most of whom are struggling to survive on a day to day basis with no murderous/ bloody thirst intent at all. Recommend

  • shameless_us
    Aug 25, 2010 - 3:11AM

    hats off to fasi—
    i agree with you completely

    Baat to sach hai magar baat hai ruswaai ki–Recommend

  • Sunny Khan
    Aug 25, 2010 - 3:12AM

    Indeed a shameful and condemned tragedy. With no objection at all over Fasi’s writing, this further needs to be noted; how frustrated we as a nation have evolved.
    For a start a deep sense of realization and workout would be required to help us from touching the lowest levels of humanity.

    I wonder when are we going to start that, but I reckon the time is not so far in distant future.Recommend

  • Ayesha Hassan
    Aug 25, 2010 - 3:52AM

    you are so very right….

    i feel pathetic.. i feel disgusted… and i feel as much as a part of this henious crime as the ones who were actually holding the bricks and “dandas” in their hands…. i feel a part of the crowd who was clapping… i feel as if i was the person from 1122 who took money from the people and tied the boys down n watched them get beaten to death….

    those people in that crowd failed us all as a nation….
    i hope i can help in some way to find justice for those teenagers…..Recommend

  • mak
    Aug 25, 2010 - 3:53AM

    A rapidly failing system is the root cause of all problems. I agree with fasi and share his anger and negative feelings. I also agree with aK that at this point of time we need solutions to our problems since we are all aware and agree that we have many issues to deal with. It would be fitting to have a meaningful discussion (followed by concrete actions) about what is the need of the hour – do we need to get rid of the feudal system? banish legacy politics? overhaul our justice system? how to bring about a leapfrogging impact on our education system? how to galvanize the masses to bring about a change? how to bring about a change in small steps – starting with the community or neighborhood you live in? or should we remain complacent and let the problems get bigger until we will be forced to take extreme measures which we never thought we would have required to take.
    As far as I can see – we as citizens of Pakistan haven’t moved an inch to bring about a change – we are complacent – every now and then we wake up to the crude reality when a disaster occurs. Conveniently, we slip back into our slumber until we go through another cycle. Lack of Consistency!

    Civil movement to restore judges was successful because people made an effort to dedicate themselves to the cause – the wheels of change accelerated with each passing day. Let us not wait another 50 years to gather the same momentum and zeal to bring about a change. We owe it to our next generation to live in a better Pakistan, a prosperous Pakistan. Media also needs to play a positive and supporting role going forward. Enough of talking about problems on forums/talk shows. SO PEOPLE WHAT ARE THE IMPLEMENTABLE SOLUTIONS? Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Aug 25, 2010 - 4:52AM

    Another ‘analysis’…another day. Recommend

  • Hina Khawar
    Aug 25, 2010 - 5:16AM

    I think ur article is terrible! we dont need to hear people like you at a time like this….have u seen the interviews of the parents of those boys…..do u see how much faith they have? if they havent given up on Pakistan…sorry Mr Fasi…i dont think u have any right to judge 180 million and call us Pakistanis ‘failed people’!Recommend

  • heena A Hirose
    Aug 25, 2010 - 5:21AM

    i beg to differ, those murderers should be hanged and even that wont be getting even because it wouldnt hurt as much.
    i live in jeddah and a judge in tabuk is looking for a doctor who would paralyse a man as punishment, link below is an article on BBC.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11045848Recommend

  • Aug 25, 2010 - 5:24AM

    why not declare the sialkot mob murder an indian conspiracy and be done with it – and that all their ills are therefore the result of indian conspiracies, israeli conspiracies, and american dirty tricks.Recommend

  • Zack Ali
    Aug 25, 2010 - 5:46AM

    People talk about Patriotism and the pride of Pakistan… What Pride??

    Regarding the two boys in Sialkot… In the month of Ramzan, a month where love and tranquility are the essesnce of everyday life, It was one of the most dispicable acts of brutality I have ever witnessed. The saddest fact is not only the whole incident is horrific but extremely embarrassing since it is Pakistani people that were involved… How can any true Pakistani be patriotic after that? Being Pakistani, I feel ashamed knowing that such atrocitites are taking place in my country of Origin before the eyes of the law where a Policeman stood and watched whilst a 17 and a 15 year old boy got their very souls beaten out of them. In these testing times when Native Pakistani’s and Pakistani’s from all over the world should be sticking together, it is insulting to say the least finding out that these very people are too busy killing children when in fact they should be sharing love and peace. Who is to blame this time for these wrongdoings… America/England?? Whose effigies are Pakistani’s going to burn?? What a pathetic joke. Pakistan as a nation isn’t wrong BUT certain primitive, illiterate, warmongering people of Pakistan and it’s politics are a afilthy stain on the very nature of what Pakistan and Islam stands for and against. Forget bringing civilisation to these people I feel they don’t even understand the very concept of Humanity or Compassion for one another. May Allah bring justice for all the inncocent souls that have been lost due to the evil doings of some saddistic people of this World…Recommend

  • murassa sanaulla
    Aug 25, 2010 - 6:01AM

    very true picture of our hypocrite society,these scenes of Sialkot have been repeatedly happening in all parts of Pakistan. we so called muslims close our eyes and critisize India ,America,Israel r violating human rights ,what rwe doing aren’t we a little step further than them.Recommend

  • Shayan Zia
    Aug 25, 2010 - 6:05AM

    Nice rhetoric. Impressive for the reader, but care to explain what have you ever done to correct this? And by saying that, I don’t claim to have done anything substantial either. I admire your work Fasi, I’ve followed you for a long time now, however, over-generalization is the essence of this article, not to mention the fact that, if your not an atheist, you can find evidences of the wrath of Allah over corrupt nations in the Quran. So the blame lies not on those who find excuses to make such calamities look inevitable, but on those who sit there without spending a moment for self-analysis to find the right solutions to their corrupt character. The polarization between religion and liberalism is the epitome of our society. A situation very similar to the times of Charles Darwin when science and religion were at war. Only that now, science is not the other side, but its us and our desire to follow in the exact footsteps of the already doomed westernized societies. I don’t like sounding some other religious fanatic who is equally the culprit, but all I want to point out is that its essential to be moderate in our approach towards anything. Self-analysis and self-correction is the way to go. Only that can lead to a moderate path that might take us as a nation out of this mess. To not be termed the human cockroaches, and not having anything to counter such allegation. Pointing fingers just won’t help. This essentially, needs to be carried out at an individual level. Hence, the blame lies on you, the blame lies on me.Recommend

  • Mumtaz
    Aug 25, 2010 - 6:37AM

    Here Here, very well said but we really cant paint all pakistanis with the same brush… its just as unfair as the sailkot killing
    We should try and purify ourselves and the environment around us but should restrain from judging one another as not only is no1 a saint but merely no is GOD and only he alone has the right to judge!Recommend

  • Waheed Ahmad
    Aug 25, 2010 - 6:39AM

    For the first time in my life, I have read the truth. Yes the truth we all know but we can’t say it. We can’t say it even when we fast or pray or give Zakat or go for Hajj.

    Thank you… only you had the courage to say it.. great job..Recommend

  • Aug 25, 2010 - 6:49AM

    Fasi Zaka!

    I salute you for verbalising what the silent ones who actually love pakistan around the globe think.Recommend

  • Rb
    Aug 25, 2010 - 6:58AM

    Hi

    This is an amazing article. When i saw that video on facebook, i realized that muslims have all the excuses to justify all their actions on and because of Islam. When i ask a pakistani….what happened to the teaching of islam? when it comes to killings between shias and sunni’s or muslim terrorist killing muslims in the crazy bombings. ……they say ooh thats different. We are still the best race in the world……Really?Recommend

  • Naeem Ahmed Mirza
    Aug 25, 2010 - 7:01AM

    Fasi i am thankful that how you present you present the brutality of our society or i think that we are not a society we are some thing else…..Recommend

  • Shakir Lotia
    Aug 25, 2010 - 7:46AM

    Fasi
    You have expressed what many of us (the so-called silent majority) are feeling. NOW is the time for us to act. To express our anger at what is happening. To get involved. Down & dirty.
    Do it or be damned forever.Recommend

  • erum
    Aug 25, 2010 - 7:49AM

    I couldn’t agree more. Not every bad thing can be correlated with corrupt politicians, police force and of course, the government. The fault ultimately lies within.
    Regarding the matter of advocating death for others, it’s not a matter that should be left in the hands of a layman who hardly thinks rationally and has insufficient information to make an informed decision, there is a reason why legal system exists, which in the case of Pakistan, sadly, is hardly functional, but none the less exists.
    Secondly, i agree that there exists a false sense of moral superiority and self righteousness amongst many but the picture is not completely bleak. There are Pakistanis who think, believe and act otherwise, who know that such an act was completely barbaric and can no way be justified.Recommend

  • Sahar
    Aug 25, 2010 - 8:30AM

    Well said Mr. Fasi….i totally agree with u
    all these years my husband has been telling me that i know nothing about the rotten society of Pakistan. He would tell me there is nothing to be proud of….and today i say yeah he was so right, we all should bow our heads in shame. n Yeah i agree with the person who wrote about blame games and conspiracy theories and more lies…..bring them on
    we r a nation without conscience, Pakistani people would still like to believe that !!!Recommend

  • rizwan
    Aug 25, 2010 - 8:37AM

    I watched it with my mum and dad and couldn’t believe what i was seeing. It looked like a movie were people kill other humans just for the sick pleasure of watching another human being pulverized to death, where was the humanity!? where was the love and compassion, The sickest out of all of them were the watching crowd, the ones shouting “takbeer” and fasting at the same time, what sick and twisted human beings they are, Even when the two brothers were begging for mercy they carried on beating them with great delight and pleasure.

    comrades we have sunken into the abyss, Never in my life have i ever seen two humans being brutally beaten in fact there are no words in the Oxford English dictionary to describe what i saw on tv that day, and we are Muslims and Pakistanis,, the two words are opposite to me NOW,

    The people in the crowd did not even raise an eyebrow they just watched as two sons of Pakistan were meeting there end in the hands of two other Pakistanis, Even the Taliban shoot you in the head even they are humane, this is gutter trash at its finest,

    Maybe people in the crowd were too scared to stop this in-case the killers and there cohorts turned on them that its understandable, but what is the most sickening is they didn’t even walk away in disgust they just watched and kept on watching, i hope these people can sleep at night while there own children are safely asleep next to them.

    prophet muhammed (saw) said

    ….”When you see an evil act you have to stop it with your hand. If you can’t, then atleast speak out against it with your tongue. If you can’t, then atleast you have to hate it with all your heart.

    the crowd didn’t even walk away in disgust and horror they couldn’t even fix it in there hearts..

    doomsday thy cometh soon.Recommend

  • pakistani citizen
    Aug 25, 2010 - 8:42AM

    even now i disagree……we need good leaders and we will bounce back big time……….there is a guy in peshawar who is as poor as you can imagine……..he saved 2500 people in his 42 foot boat from floods………he is a proud pakistani and a proud muslim………the glass is either half full or half empty……………..Recommend

  • Syed Schumail
    Aug 25, 2010 - 9:02AM

    Fasi Bhai !!! Is raising your voice the end of it..?? What about Justice ?? Since your associated with the media, raising your voice is the best and safest option (In it there’s self promotion with a smiling picture & chances of better offers as a whatever journalist you think you are), Don’t you think the youth of Pakistan should unite against this extreme level of cruelty committed against our brothers in Sialkot. The Forces of Nature are a clear warning from The Almighty ALLAH, that we should humble ourselves and follow the path of Quran after reading and understanding its translation. We are his creation,and to him we are accountable, today it has become our responsibility to get justice for Mughees and Muneeb. If this crowd of murderers are allowed to get away unpunished by the corrupt Police, Waderas,Maulvis, Politicians, and our great Chowkidars, then each of us will be responsible for promoting inhumanity and letting extreme cruelty go unpunished during our lifetimes, and ultimately inviting ALLAH’s wrath and doom on this nation. These are the signs of Allah which we are unable to realize and interpret through our selective Islam and our limited logic. Atleast,Please join the group “Justice for Mughees & Muneeb” on facebook, so that we know that you are on one platform against this Moral Murder of Pakistan. The Youth has to bring change by getting united and demand for justice, and as far as i can think, you haven’t crossed 50 yet. Strengthen this cause by doing what ever possible in your domain to bring justice to Mughees and Muneebs’s mother. Only you stand to benefit from this plight in front of your creator. Recommend

  • Huma Munir
    Aug 25, 2010 - 9:14AM

    This made my day! Nobody has said it better. Recommend

  • Aug 25, 2010 - 9:29AM

    I went through a similar phase years ago. condemning pakistani society, calling myself names and feeling better like i’ve done my part. in fact anyone who lives in a western country and then comes back to live in pakistan can clearly see which society is better, which society gives real value to human life, which society is actually closer to the teachings of islam even though the ppl in west were not born in muslim households. very nice article indeed, but now what? i think we should actually do something about the problems you’ve pointed out above. unless you just wanted to get it off your chest and vent your feelings about the sialkot murders. don’t you think its time we do something to prevent such incidents from ever happening againRecommend

  • Bhavin
    Aug 25, 2010 - 9:30AM

    Good to know that the junta of Pakistan are opposed to the rulers of their country. This is in contrast to the view that is projected in the western world. May god bring peace to this country.Recommend

  • Wajih Khattak
    Aug 25, 2010 - 9:42AM

    I agree with all the above Fasi lala says, this is by far the worst thing I can remember happening in Pakistan. There have been terrorist attacks, hundreds of our brother and sisters died in it, the earthquake, the floods, but we always felt like the victims when those happened, either blaming the foreign countries or the nature for our misery but this time we are left with no option but to look directly into the mirror and see how disgusted nation we are. I remember seeing a video where the skinned alive dog and was feeling so sorry, never knew we are more capable than those fur exporting morons.
    The most humiliating thing that was observed in those videos is not that hundreds of people were witnessing the cruelty and inhumanity but the out standing their like a total stooge to this incident. I agree the first thing that comes to mind is making an example of those people who committed this crime but that wont let any difference between us and them, and besides this time who are “Them”, its not “them” anymore but us. I have taken a stand for Pakistan abroad and always defended my country and whats happening in it, but this time I am ashamed and speechless.
    God help us!!! Recommend

  • Asha
    Aug 25, 2010 - 9:49AM

    I feel such despair about the human race when I see the videos and read the stories about these poor boys–and all the other victims of human brutality. Any glimmer of hope seems to be squashed by the overpowering dreadfulness of people’s lives, full of frustration, desperation, competition, and hate.

    I am so glad I did not have children. How sad I would be to think I had brought more human suffering into this horrible world.Recommend

  • Dr. Ali
    Aug 25, 2010 - 10:30AM

    Well Said… If we look at the incident in isolation and assume that the rest of the country has more or less the same animal instincts taking over them, then this perception might be true for most of us.. We have either become too negative or have become indifferent to what is happening around us…Although speaking of positives, i was really encouraged how the people of Mardan treated the IDPs from Swat and set an example, that does not however is truly representative of our behavior as a nation and the vagaries of our society… Speaking of the sickening moral superiority, a good example is the Friday Sermon in which most of our Clerics blame the West for everything and curse them regularly… but whatever they curse them for happens to us… Being a Muslim Country our leaders have failed to provide Social Justice, Implement Rule of Law, Provide basic Human Rights to every citizen, Healthcare, Education, Sense of Patriotism, True Leadership, A vision to Prosper etc etcRecommend

  • JUNA
    Aug 25, 2010 - 10:32AM

    Come On Brother Fasi.
    Yeah right, the incident is soul-sucking-shameful, but man there is no need to generalize it, yaar.
    Yes, as a Nation we are becoming more and more LESS concerned about our surroundings and surrounding happenings.
    But, all are not Bad, and as many other have commented, that we have Bad people, and then we have good people as well.
    So, to say we, As a Nation are a FAILED STATE, is too much to say brother.
    I mean Hold your horses Dude.
    You are running WILD here . . . Recommend

  • shafaq
    Aug 25, 2010 - 10:58AM

    I just went through your article and I must say that whatever u have mentioned is quite true….I couldn’t sleep for nights after seeing the footage on TV. I find so many people around me blaming certain acts to be the cause of floods n earth quakes. Yet I didn’t find any single person who could actually provide me with one authentic reason for such inhuman acts. However i have reason to give..

    We as a nation have this habit of putting our blames on others. We like to be the spectators and later forming our own individual opinions without knowing the facts. We blame politicians, although we are the one backing then initially. Even the so called educated class consider natural disasters as Allah’s azab !!…what else do we expect from the illiterate one’s.

    we want to get away from our duties and guilt we easily walk out in the name of religion.

    Harsh fact is that we have no knowledge about religion and society.. We are worst than the people living in Stone Age. Even they got curious when something unusual happen…..we living in the mobile age just limit our knowledge on how to click a button n yes picture is ready to be uploaded on FB profile. Recommend

  • Aug 25, 2010 - 10:58AM

    This is no more a Pakistan, no more a Quaid-e-Azam’s Pakistan. We never deserved it, we never won our freedom, we got it from our ancestors. We need a fight again, to win our freedom, to realise it’s importance.
    Pakistani’s are not Human Roaches, they are near to canis, more precisely wolfs.
    But there are some reasons behind all this. Recommend

  • Abdul Aziz
    Aug 25, 2010 - 11:00AM

    Agreed 100%. We do not deserve to be called a nation. We are a bunch of people living in one area. We are barbaric to the core. Well most of us. But then sometimes you see acts of kindness that leaves you bewitched as to what is really happening. We are a place of extremes. Unfortunately the kind you mention is the one which has the upper hand right now and looks destined to take over completely sometime in the near future !Recommend

  • Maaz
    Aug 25, 2010 - 11:12AM

    Sadly!! It is only a matter of time …. n every one will forget everything .. as we all have been kept busy by the politcal system induced in our own lives .. untill another incident like this happens the next time … the same loop would be repeated again :(Recommend

  • Shahzar Anwar
    Aug 25, 2010 - 11:15AM

    It’s easy to sit home or in your office and criticize everything. You seem to be one of them, full of complaints and a perpetual whiner. You think that by writing such articles you will bring a revolution in this country, change the mindset of the people of the country. Wake up and smell the coffee! The language you use to write articles is the one which maybe 75% of the population can’t even read and understand, plus you can’t do anything by being negative, if you follow revolutions around the world in the past, it was positivity which brought about revolutions and not someone sitting home and being critical of anything and everything. Have you ever been out on the road to protest against something, do you even know what tear gas does to one’s eyes??? I am sure you don’t. Get out there buddy, trust me you aint no Allama Iqbal who can use words to motivate people.Recommend

  • Aamer Aziz
    Aug 25, 2010 - 11:23AM

    Very well written and cynical article.. No amount of education or development can change the mindset of that nation. I think the best way is to give it on lease to one of the developed countries for a 100 years and see what comes out of it – though 200 years of British rule did not make any differenceRecommend

  • Taha Iqbal
    Aug 25, 2010 - 11:42AM

    Fasi, Your anger is justified.Luckily you have access to media which can play a very vital role in bringing this and such issues to the knowledge of people who for now are doing nothing but I am sure will come up with something to give Pakistan a new mind set and new image in the world.Its us, the Pakistanis who have destroyed our own image and it will be only us who can make a new better and creative image again.Lets not loose the hopes.Lets trust ourselves and take a step ahead.May God be with Us.Recommend

  • Saadiya
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:04PM

    I disagree!!! there are good and bad people in every nation!!! we just saw the worst of our nation….but take a look around and you’ll also see the best, with all those who are helping the flood victims, you’ll see some great humanitarians…….
    I’m ashamed of such Pakistani’s like this writer, instead of bringing hope in despair, you kick someone who’s already down!!! shameful….:(Recommend

  • Swami
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:06PM

    If only the people who matter in Pakistan, were to devote their time, money and resources into building a strong economic Power and self reliant Economy with welfare of its citizens only in mind, it will not be in this present pathetic condition.Instead they devote all the resources available with them to bash their neighbor in local and international arena.They have to fear only the local fundamentalists and other fanatics who are out bring bad name to the Peaceful religion and faith to which they belong.I wish Pakistan all the best to come out of this phase and ensure better life for all citizens which have been deprived to them all these yearsRecommend

  • NI
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:15PM

    Education Education and Education.Recommend

  • Mesam Abbas
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:19PM

    Fasi I have been following you from quiet a time and I do agree with you most of the times as so this times too but somewhere in my mind relies the fact that you are pointing to the result not to the reason behind…. Actually I feel the lack of education, lack of knowing our rights, lack of utalizing our skills are the reasons for such happenings.
    Did anyone thought that if something occurs in the society it occurs with some facts and reasoning giving it birth to happen.
    My question is that why is responsibilities of the low enforcement department been made under check and why is not the actions taken against the crime by the law enforcement agencies.I do agree that such incidents should never come in existence and incidents of this sort exposes the brutility of our scociety ….
    One thing more to say that we all know that the history of Islam elder than the Americans, Israelies, or any COLONies…. but my dear freiend we also need to see the fact that all what happened is not by Islam infact this all done by the particular type of mentality posessing society that lives in Pakistan and this society need to be crushed down and that only is possible by making education an easy access to them and with this I think law enforcement agencies will also come to the right track.Recommend

  • KM
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:47PM

    Absolutely correct analysis, we have degraded ourselves to a level that we now feel pleasure watching “human cockroaches” beaten up by Pakistani murderers while a huge mob and peace keepers standing beside.” We are peace loving nation” and so is obvious in the video. Truly shameful attitude of our nation, Yes because all these people are us; Pakistanis, Not a single “Mard” could come out and tried to stop this massacre.Recommend

  • Inam-ul-Haq
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:48PM

    WOW, this was blazing text i ever read. Bravo Brave Boy … Recommend

  • S.Ali
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:56PM

    Great article. So so sad…We’ve been working for over 11 years to spread human rights NGO(FHRI Pakistan). Education on human rights is the only long term sustainable way to accomplish non-violence in the long term. Of course rule of law has to be there as a deterrent in the mean time. Recommend

  • A Naheed
    Aug 25, 2010 - 12:58PM

    Right from your heart, voice of many hearts.Recommend

  • Amaan Tareen
    Aug 25, 2010 - 1:07PM

    I agree with the major part of this article but i disagree with some points of yours ….Recommend

  • huma khan
    Aug 25, 2010 - 1:10PM

    “The only thing required for evil to prevail is when the good people do nothing”. Where are the good people? Apathy of my nation will destroy us all. My only hope is that if we can lower ourselves in such a short span of a couple of decades, we can rise again.Recommend

  • Omar Ali Khan
    Aug 25, 2010 - 1:11PM

    Very, very unfair to cockroaches. Apology demanded.Recommend

  • Latif
    Aug 25, 2010 - 1:15PM

    Fasi,
    Before I even attempt to digest any notion of us being human, I for one would like to apologize to the world for our existence. Perhaps, this might be a sane starting point.
    What we have witnessed is merely a glimpse. And what you have managed to state, just a glance. We are very deep rooted. We are rotten to the core. We are self indulgent beasts. We cannot bear to be criticized nor (heaven forbid) be asked to change.
    We relish in the pig sty that we have created for ourselves.
    Education, exposure, religion, sociology. We have been subjected to it all. But the end result? Nothing has made us evolve. Perhaps nothing will.
    We are animals of the worst kind in suits.Recommend

  • Ali Mirza
    Aug 25, 2010 - 1:47PM

    Please include yourself, “WE ARE THE WORST SICKING NATION IN THE WORLD”, “WE ARE THE LOW LIFE CREATURES” just never exclude yourself when cursing that might bring true shame to us all.Recommend

  • Farhat Hussain Shah
    Aug 25, 2010 - 2:12PM

    Tamashbeen qaum in general, some saw it live the others by TV and Internet. Change of mentality is warranted, “Mazloom ka saath du”.Recommend

  • Zaheer Abbas
    Aug 25, 2010 - 2:13PM

    Dear Fasih,

    This is one glimpse. You have not seen live, how Taliban slaughter human beings…you never saw the brutality of army men towards and security forces towards the innocent citizens during operations in FATA, you never saw how they protect the beasts to serve ‘National interest’ and how they kill those tribesmen who raised voice against cockroaches of human race..You will never know or probably never wish to know how these cockroaches are backed and feeded by our establishment and Government…. Its not a failed state..its a unique state, wherein no modern political and governance systems can progress because of some very powerful cockroaches, who actually run the state affairs and whose songs are aired on each channel. It is not a failed state…but a unique state where still Jungle law is prevailing ‘survival for the fittest’. Recommend

  • Aug 25, 2010 - 2:23PM

    I am highly impressed by the writer Mr Fasi Zaka as he uttered the bitter truth which we all should have spoken out much earlier when the first incident of such kind happened.
    I must salute this gentleman for his fine words….Recommend

  • Kamran Nifasat
    Aug 25, 2010 - 2:25PM

    Fasi, please come with solution, don’t cry and try to desprate other people. Thanks in advanceRecommend

  • Farhan Shauket
    Aug 25, 2010 - 3:07PM

    Sorry but you r not helping anyone over here …. Pointing out the problem in a complex manner is not the solution …. What you have done over here is … u locked the ppl into misery,disappointment & anger dungen ….. & through away the key ….. like most of the media ppl u hav done the same thing …. confused them put them into misery & ran away …. lets just face it …. you are a pakistani & u cant hide nor turn into an alien …. Facing the identity is the solution … running from it … cursing everyone except urself wont help anyone nor u …. I would rather die nor leave …. Some day some how someone has to sacrifice …. You hav to sacrifice all the pessimism & hav to bring alot of optimism …. Please give back this nation there identity, there core values, there culture …. You are tearing them into peaces …… Recommend

  • qalandar Memon
    Aug 25, 2010 - 3:12PM

    This is terribly stupid. Self loathing. It makes logical errors that are important and fails to understand simple facts.

    1 – individuals actions do not and can not define collective ‘guilty’. I refuse to suggest that the actions of this particular mob has anything to do with me or my ethics. To suggest that because I too hold a Pakistani passport and thus should share in the actions of others who hold a Pakistani identity is a folly. It is logically erroneous.

    2 – The actions can be looked at more analytically as ‘horizontal violence’. That is the oppressed firing out the everyday violence they face against a member of the oppressed. It is common historically in countries that have oppressive structures of power and elites – colonized countries (internal colonization).

    Rather then trying to understand the ‘act’. We have an NGO’s aunties rant about ‘how’ we are all guilty. It gets the article over and done with but offers nothing.

    A better solution, rather then collective guilty, would be to address and work with thsoe trying to change teh system. Recommend

  • Farhat Rasheed
    Aug 25, 2010 - 3:21PM

    This article is a lament and nothing more. It neither analyses the complexities of a political/economic situation nor does it provide any solutions. There is no doubt that lack of vision, the inability to shoulder the responsibilities of a newborn country by largely uneducated masses, and turning a blind eye towards deep rooted illnesses are some of the causes of the situation. Pakistanis should be made to feel ashamed and irresponsible, but the problem will not be solved by simply emotion. A national collective movement of regret,and reform must come or the state will slip into demise,even more political anarchy, and suffer with more calamities. I am not Pakistani, but I find the derogatory tone of this article exceedingly self righteous. To reduce an entire nation to a pack of arthropods seems ridiculous, unproductive and not admirable in the least. I am sorry, you do not inspire. Recommend

  • mehwish afridi
    Aug 25, 2010 - 3:27PM

    so true fasi bhaie …..pakistan is really not onits way to its downfall just because of its leaders and other issues but just the people who totally are like cockroaches eats their own species…theonly thing we being the youtht should do is make correct attempts of awareness so that ppl left with little pakistaniyat left in them can prove to be a better pakistani and live peace fully in pakistan…..the only thing we seriously need is pakistan – pakistani – pakistaniyat…..Recommend

  • Fasi Zaka
    Aug 25, 2010 - 3:29PM

    @Kamran: The solution is simple, when someone says, “Hitler did the right thing to the Jews”, you dont agree, no matter how many others are there and say, “No, murder is wrong. Period.”

    When someone says, “The Taliban are misguided”, you say, “Dont make excuses for them, it is immoral.”

    Or when Rehman Malik says, “We will hand them at the same place they killed the boys”, you say, “Why, are you a barbarian, take them to jail and try those people.”

    The more people contradict the everyday endorsement of violence, prejudice, religious bigotry in average daily settings, the lesser the chance that people with foam with glee when they see this on the streets.

    This is something achieveable, doesnt require a bloody revolution, and it cant be done this very instant. Recommend

  • Alina
    Aug 25, 2010 - 3:38PM

    Cent percent correct… I wonder when we will wake up actually.
    one thing i know for sure is that our people are very found of ta-ta-ta-talking, switch on any channel, people just talk talk n talk. do we really need a blood-thirst-revolution to be a better nation.
    Like a slave minded people,do we need our masters from any white nation again?????Recommend

  • SR
    Aug 25, 2010 - 3:43PM

    OK we are where we are. How do we fix it? The government can’t or won’t do it. The Mullahs don’e know how to fix this because they are the cause of this intolerance. It is our fault for not taking responsibility for our religion and leaving it to uneducated buffoons to teach it to the rest of us uneducated buffoons.

    It is up to us = the people of Pakistan to fix this problem by first educating ourselves and teaching others one person at a time on what is moralistic and what is truly Islamic. “Live and let live” is a great philosophy to start with. Islam is not just ritualistic as Pakistanis have made it. We need to truly believe in it’s principles of peace, co-existence, tolerance and helping each other.Recommend

  • Hammad
    Aug 25, 2010 - 4:08PM

    Fasi,

    The question is, have the people present at the spot read this article? Do they really care about what you & I say? Do they really wanna listen to you? Do they really buy what you say? Do they even care about what you say?

    NOOOOOOOOOOO…..

    My friend, all the above comments including myself totally agree with you. But those people standing there, have lost the sense of RIGHT & WRONG. Our people have lost the sense of what is right and what is wrong.

    When out of a 100 people, 33 say something is right, 33 will say it is wrong, 33 will admit it is wrong but they will still do it. How can the democracy work in this kind of place?

    I think that where horses, elephants, monkeys, donkeys, rats, & other animals live together, the democracy can never work. Only the LIONS (Danda) will work.Recommend

  • fatima
    Aug 25, 2010 - 4:13PM

    you talk about social upbringing being responsible, and rightly so but the fact is our social norms are way too much entrenched to be shaken. religion is not an ounce as strong as our social ethos; we would let go of the prophet [p.b.u.h] but our customs, NOWAY. Therefore we may talk about amendments in our society but the point is it’s near to impossible with our ‘mohalla’s rituals’ held so close to the heart. Recommend

  • Aug 25, 2010 - 4:17PM

    I think it is a bit harsh… but I may not see the whole picture as I am somewhat shielded from the day to day reality.

    I would however love to see and will whole heartedly support a revolution…

    The people in this gruesome video… stood around and did not help… hang on…IS THAT US TOO…you know standing around not doing anything.

    I Pray that someone will rise up and start a revolution… You will be surprised at how much support he/she has…

    But I do agree we have no one else to blame but us…

    They say that all these killings/bombs/murders etc are the act of agencies and external forces… but the people who are actually carrying out these attacks are all Pakistani… so if we stopped selling out maybe these agencies and external forces will have to take their business else where…

    I am not ashamed to be a Pakistani… but I hate being counted amongst Pakistani’s…(I hope that makes sense)Recommend

  • Zaheer Abbas
    Aug 25, 2010 - 4:23PM

    Dear Hammad,

    Whatever happened, a human being can never support that. But a Pakistani can, as they did. We will remain beasts like that if this Danda will rule us. As Danda symbolizes violence, thats why what Gen Zia did, what Musharaf did was justified at that time, but now we realized that they harbored snakes. This Sialkot incident compels me to think…Is there any possibility of emergence of Punjabi Taliban? who will take over every thing and law in hands and will punish people like this publicly.??? Recommend

  • JKpakistani
    Aug 25, 2010 - 4:29PM

    Well Said! Could’nt agree more!These incidents ashmed us in front of the whole world community.I do not think that these incidents are uncommon in the culture of subcontinent, it is just now media is covering these incidents and showing to us.
    May Allah(swt) help-us curb all these in-human incidents.Recommend

  • RS
    Aug 25, 2010 - 4:38PM

    Great article Fasi. Very well put.

    I am a Pakistani. I was born in Sialkot. Today, I am ashamed to admit both of these facts.

    I have lived abroad for most of my life, but visit Sialkot almost every year. I breathe a sigh of relief at the end of every trip when I escape alive and unhurt. I thank God that my father had the good sense to take me out of this filthy cesspit before my mind was infested.

    It is impossible to win an argument with a Pakistani, so I am sure they will wriggle their way out of this shameful episode, but Allah knows best.

    Pakistan is a global joke. A sick one at that!Recommend

  • Tariq Saeed
    Aug 25, 2010 - 4:42PM

    Couldn’t agree more. You said what I feltRecommend

  • Maha Kashmiri
    Aug 25, 2010 - 4:55PM

    The cynicism is lapping at my toes, but it may just have swallowed you whole.
    Your article is concise, well written and to the point. But your content makes just as much sense as the next Pakistani Opinion Columnist’s – i.: nothing sets it apart. You, us, we, they, them – does it get more fragmented than that? This is the REAL question. How many times are we going to sew back the patches onto the fabric of our national identity, constantly ripped apart by that proverbial many headed monster citizen? Was it even whole to begin with? It looks like we’ll never find out.
    I was born a Pakistani – I didn’t get a choice. My aim in life is to live as a good human being, with peace and contentment. Sadly, Pakistan can’t offer the above in my life time, so I have elected to move away from the country. I have had to sacrifice my cultural roots my family ties, the “richness of Pakistan” and a whole lot of really good food. But you Fasi, are biting the hand that feeds you. I feel no shame or substantial loss of self-esteem when I read your cynical words. I feel sorry – that no one can even look to this small “educated” band of Pakistanis writers to inspire the nation towards positivity, courage and hope in the country’s future. You say the world is right to put restrictions on our visas and that we are human cockroaches. Does that include you? Would you go to the visa officer at the [insert apt FW country name here] Embassy and say, “Sir, I am a human cockroach. I am a failure. I am undeserving of sympathy. I am diseased, rotten to every brain stem, please make an impenetrable fence around me, keep me in so that I don’t spread it to other people, other countries…”? I would love to see you be the change that you advocate. Sound easy? Well just try it.Recommend

  • Aug 25, 2010 - 5:02PM

    I am hearing conspiracy theories have already been developed for the floods already, HAARP.Recommend

  • Muhammad Yasir Azam
    Aug 25, 2010 - 6:15PM

    Blockquote

    I back to what fasih said as everything happening around us is a bloody joke now. This place(so called nation)is definitely not worth living anymore. We blame America for how they are treating us Muslims after 9/11 conspiracy; just open your freaking eyes and for God’s sake see how the hell are we treating HUMANS for no reason? We have just not forgotten our religion and teaching or our beloved prophet(peace be upon him)but also probably have gone worst than animals.

    I wish if i can have just one reason to be proud of being a Pakistani. How unfortunate that a Pakistani is left with no choice but to say this.

    Blockquote

    Recommend

  • sophia
    Aug 25, 2010 - 6:19PM

    As heinous as the crime was, I am equally shocked by such superficial analysis, of course, political, social and human factors are in play and it is not specific to muslims, pakistanis, jews, chrisitians or anyone else specific. Read the LUCIFER EFFECT by Zimmerman about how perfectly good people can act evil which means you, me and the next person. He did experiments in U.S. graduate students in the 70′s first and watched how perfectly educated and normal human beings acted viciously when the conditions were provided and he then studied Guantanamo prison treatment as an extension of this. For example, is U.S. killing, maiming, and torturing thousands any more humane than 2 people being killed. And what U.S. is doing is also happening with the explicit and implicit consent of thousands who watch the crimes against humanity being committed. 800,000 people losing their homes and being flooded to save U.S. airbase, how is that any better. The point here is that this primitive behavior is part of human race, nothing too specific to sialkot, pakistan, muslims, christians, or jews, each of us if fully capable of committing implicit and explicit crimes and some conditions make it even more plausible. Recommend

  • sophia
    Aug 25, 2010 - 6:22PM

    Read the Standford Prison experiment on this website as well as the rest to try to make sense of what happens to human beings to act like this.
    http://www.lucifereffect.com/Recommend

  • Salman Sher
    Aug 25, 2010 - 6:32PM

    We are the hate capital of the world, we hate Hindu, we hate Bengali, we hate Punjabi, we hate Mohajir, we hate pathan, we hate sindhi, we hate baluchi, we hate Ahmadi, we hate shia, we hate sunni, we hate Christians, we hate Jews, we hate west, we hate rich, we hate poor, we hate dogs, we hate pigs, we hate politicians, we hate our relatives, the list goes on and on,

    But do you know why, because we hate our self, it’s our personal hate that manifest in various forms for others. Start loving yourself and you’ll realise you’ll start loving every creation on the planet.

    We might not accept this fact but we are a nation of disbelievers. By having a beard, covering our women and praying 5 times doesn’t make any one a believer.

    “A believer is a person who doesn’t have fear, worries, stress, greed, anger, hate, envy, jealousy, prejudice, poverty, misery, disbelief,

    He has belief, faith, love, wealth and prosperity, health and beauty, will power and energy, spirit of life.

    Can any one find me a single Pakistani believer?Recommend

  • Fasih Syed
    Aug 25, 2010 - 6:52PM

    Agreed Fasi …

    we are humans … ?? dogs and wolves and jackals pack-up and kill others … but we, we kill our own kind, mercilessly, barbarously and remaining are just here to enjoy the show. The wildest beasts of the jungle are not vicious enough, if this is humanity i should better have been a beast … at least everyone would know what i am and i didn’t have to veil myself with hypocrisy… [deeply sorry and grieved for the cruelest & barbaric act done with innocent children in Sialkot]Recommend

  • Cockroch
    Aug 25, 2010 - 6:58PM

    Very well put and I appreciate that there still are people pointing in the right direction rather than trumpeting old rhetoric. However, I disagree when the writer calls it a sociopathic response when some say we deserve God’s wrath in the form natural calamities. Because, why don’t we? Looting, plundering, raping, killing, suicide bombing and all other such defining traits of our nation certainly do not give us a place in God’s good books.
    God punished a nation for being predominantly gay, another for weighing less and so on. If you read Quran and Hadith, you will find out that if a society would involve in a sin to an extent that that sin would be identified as a major trait of the society then that one sin was enough for inviting God’s wrath on them. If you look at us Pakistanis, you will find many vices as our identifying traits; vices, each of which had singularly been the reason for complete annihilation of societies. We are fortunate that we still live and our land still shows on the map. I think, and you may disagree, that the 2005 earthquake and the recent flooding are just a trailer of God’s wrath. If we continue to be the ‘cockroaches of the human race’, we may unfortunately get to see the whole picture.
    You may take me as overly religious but I believe that these natural calamities are God’s warnings to our collective wrongdoings. I agree that our horrific situation demands self-reflection but at the same time it is not just sociopathic to say that natural calamities befalling us are a result of our barbarism and corruption. Besides, there is no harm in looking at natural disasters though a religious lens because by doing so some of us introspect ourselves more rigorously.Recommend

  • Hamza
    Aug 25, 2010 - 7:40PM

    i think while the article deserves some praise, i am not sure if the self-hatred helps either. fasi zaka may not believe that floods and disease are the work of God, but i do. and limiting the scope of our behavior as a nation to simple inhumanity is a joke. as someone pointed out, there are always going to be good and bad people in any nation. we’re no different. we have a good lot of bad, corrupt people. but we have several millions of very good humane ones as well. the reality is that we need to do something to change our reality as a nation. and it begins by electing those leaders who are moderate, educated and care about the country.. not those who fit our ethnic background or come from our home city. this divisivness will be our undoing. Recommend

  • tahira
    Aug 25, 2010 - 7:40PM

    This article actually puts to words what we all feel. Well said Fasi!Recommend

  • NY Desi
    Aug 25, 2010 - 7:49PM

    100% factsRecommend

  • Khalid
    Aug 25, 2010 - 7:53PM

    As a Brit of Pk origin, I despair of Pakistan.

    Its getting to the stage where I dont even want to admit my parents came from THAT country. Fasi you are right; the educated classes perpetuate the inequality thinking they are better than anyone else.

    Standing in a fancy goods shop a few years ago, I overheard two well to do Pakistani women ( who were obviously on holiday in the UK) who made the effort to say to each other ” dont say thankyou to the shop girl because she is only the shop girl”. Unbelievable. This is a small example of lack of respect for others perpetuates from top to the bottom of the economc ladder. Here the lack of respect of not being polite to another human being leads to the more extreme example of not respecting life.Recommend

  • Madiha
    Aug 25, 2010 - 7:57PM

    I agree to what Fasi says but only to an extent. He has taken a very extreme side to the situation. It is true that cockroaches exist among us but it is also true that if this country was left solely to the mercy of its leaders it would have finished a very long time ago. There are still people in Pakistan who are responsible for keeping this country afloat. These people are the average people who still hold the principles on which this country was built dear to their hearts. They continue to work and thrive in Pakistan soley for their patriotism, otherwise they could have easily moved to the West or Middle East. These people include the author of the article himself.Recommend

  • Mohsin Iqbal
    Aug 25, 2010 - 8:07PM

    “THE WORLD SUFFERS A LOT…. NOT BECAUSE OF BAD PEOPLE, BUT, BECAUSE OF SILENCE OF GOOD PEOPLE.” Napoleon BonaparteRecommend

  • Ammar
    Aug 25, 2010 - 8:12PM

    I wish to to see this article in Urdu newspapersRecommend

  • amber h
    Aug 25, 2010 - 8:37PM

    its very easy to say all that you are saying , but to implement a change like that on a national level , how is that ever going to take place. yes thanks to the non islamic state that states itself as an islamic country , that i am able to write my thoughts here , but how will this thankfullness ever be realized to those who still are living withing the shells , mental , physical, financial, educational !!! i mean, the majority who has no idea about where we as a nation have fallen to what about them ? how will they ever be trained to ‘reflect upon themselves’ ? when perhaps they dont even know the importance of self , because they live their whole lives conditioned to believe what they beleive, and not to actualy ‘reflect’ upon anything.
    i am not a pesimist , neither do i want to criticise you …i just want to know that apart from repeating ourselves among each other ‘literate and preveliged’ people , how can i or you will ever make a change to the minds of the masses who enjoy standing and watching innocent or criminals being beaten to death !!!Recommend

  • Haider
    Aug 25, 2010 - 8:46PM

    They have too many of these “keyboard warriors” writing blogs for the tribune. People who add nothing to the society and are just a waste of space for this world. Fasi the keyboard warrior Zaka. Lets see if you can change the world sitting behind the computer.

    As for the Sialkot murders, as gruesome and as sad as they were, its not the first time its happened. Lynching was a common practice in the west, very recently in fact, countless cases of lynching can be picked up from the 90s to prove the fact. Its a sad part of this world, not just Pakistan.Recommend

  • Urooj Janjua
    Aug 25, 2010 - 8:49PM

    You see, the logical fallacy here is, that on the one hand you say “we deserve to be treated like cockroaches” yet on the other, you’re castigating people for saying “we deserve the floods.” It’s the same thing, we are DISGUSTED by what happened, and FINALLY (THANK GOD) we, as a people, are at least trying not to pass the buck and admitting that all of us are responsible for this. I see that as a good sign, however, I do not see much good coming out of this introspection, I’ve been in on the Pakistani psyche long enough to commit the folly of hoping for that.
    As for the “let’s not scream an eye for an eye here” people, whether it’s the writer or those commenting here, let that matter be resolved by the family of the slain, in this case or in any other. I am not in the position to know what such families feel as I’m pretty sure most of you aren’t either, so our cries of “forgive and forget” are pretty much meaningless and, I fear, VERY much presumptuous.Recommend

  • Aug 25, 2010 - 9:11PM

    It is not all people to blame who instigated people for the brutality thats must be the concern of a sensitive minds. If uniform takes law as plastic shine to mould it to its whims then my dear you can not avoid civil war and it is the great threat in the days to come.Recommend

  • Ali Haider
    Aug 25, 2010 - 9:13PM

    We are sick!Recommend

  • Farooq
    Aug 25, 2010 - 9:26PM

    Fasi,our heads hang in shame after this incident,and looking at the decay and decline our society is undergoing one wonders what else we may have to face.We have no tolerance for any person any religion any faith.We know that we are wrong but would never accept this fact,always blaming our failures on someone else.I doubt that we have trust in God.Recommend

  • amir saulat jafri
    Aug 25, 2010 - 9:44PM

    The writer’s self-loathing reflects nothing but his pathological mindset. His article is no less sensational and shocking than the gruesome happening itself.

    It is big news simply because mob-lynchings are not a cultural phenomenon in the eastern civilizations..even today.

    An Overwhelming majority of Pakistanis are God-fearing muslims. The real curse on Pakistan is the, westoxicated, so-called elite. It is the “Officer” class living in “Offence” colonies; the military, and the bureaucracy. The biggest feudal is the military-bureaucracy nexus…not the rural jageerdaar or the businessman.

    Their Big Protector, their ma baap, is the USA. Once Pakistan rids itself of the westoxicated scum..as Iran has already done, it will be back to its glorious days…the days when the englishman had not set its ugly foot there. Recommend

  • Zohair
    Aug 25, 2010 - 9:56PM

    Dear Fasi

    u narrated a bitter fact. Yes we are practically facing a situation which we call “Kehat-Ur-Rijaal”. As a nation we have no character. What you expect from the people who deviced words like “TOPI KARA DI” or “Goli Kara di” to hide their lies in normal routine. What you expect from people who made a joke ” Honesty is just lack of opportunity”. All true……..BUT we have to come forward from fool’s paradise that we are the pious one and everything bad happening around us is JEWISH CONSPIRACY.WE have to come forward as nation to make ourselves RIGHT first. I believe if i will start to work on myself instead of pointing out other mistakes,may be it will work.

    Facts direct from your heart sadly a FACT. good luckRecommend

  • Kamila
    Aug 25, 2010 - 10:09PM

    As much as I am cringing at every word written in this article I have to reluctantly agree that it is the utter and complete truth. We are experts at blaming everyone else but ourselves. Forget every nation who we have hatred for the fact is that we ourselves are the most corrupt, hypocritical, self serving nation that ever existed. And if a change doesnt come about soon than we are sure to self destruct.
    We have a habit of looking up towards the skies and hoping for diving intervention every time things dont go our way. What about free will? What about working towards a better future and a better life for yourself and your country? These are questions that we dont have the guts to answer. We always want the easy way out which leads us to destroy not only our souls but the very fabric of our society and country. May Allah have mercy on us. Recommend

  • Aug 25, 2010 - 10:42PM

    Much of what I’ve read above is full of negative sentiments, feelings of disgust and shame at one’s identity. How many of the people who are resorting to such cynicism, actually trying to bring about a change? To invest some time at TCF and not break the red traffic light?

    The incident was saddening, morbid and reeks of complete indifference to human suffering, yes, but, it is at these hours that we could use some optimism. It is this despair which is causing us scare away so many good, talented people.

    None of the perpetrators or the people around them would ever know that they labeled as human cockroaches, and regret what they did. The reach of this article is limited to the few who can really make a difference if they choose to. I would rather like to see an esteemed writer as yourself inspiring those young, educated Pakistanis to step up, to take responsibility rather than blame, to participate in the electoral process and to pave the way for the kind of governance and the able leadership that we have been lacking for the past 63 years. All that we require is belief.Recommend

  • FK
    Aug 25, 2010 - 10:49PM

    let us all migrate, the good people from the poor class, middle class, and the upper class. Let the ones, indignant, let us, the ones who can, start planning to take our people away to a better place. ‘Else’, “make an impenetrable fence around us, keep us all in so we don’t spread it to other people, other countries”. Recommend

  • saadia
    Aug 25, 2010 - 10:57PM

    The
    ppl who killed these inncocent boys shd be hanged in front of all
    public bu govt officials so that next time no one dare to kill the innocent ppl like
    this.. they dnt deserve to call humans , they r simply cruel
    beasts….. shame on the ppl around the innocent boys , no one
    …dare to stop those 5 or 6 ppl beating them like animals..
    we even cnt think to beat animals like this……………our socity
    becum so intolerant n frustrated n they only care for their own lives,
    other ppl ‘s life ve no cost for us….. i m ashamed of being part of such
    society… The qaulties like bravery honesty just vanish from us.. all
    ppl r slaves of money … now our souls r corrupted , that s why such
    incidents happens …… we call talibans as a threat to world peace and prosperity but
    wht abt such kind of acts done by coMmon ppl of Pakistan.. Police duty
    is to save the lives of common Man but if police remains silent … Who
    saves us….Who Saves Pakistan…:? Sumone with a strong Consicience has to come forward and make realized the society taht where they r going …. We Shd becum slaves of Western Countries for material benefit or Wr shd stand as Strong Nation… wht s the need of time… Think … Think…… We have to Awake ur Conscience and feel the sufferings and do nt act like dummies if anthing wrong is happening…Recommend

  • Mustafa
    Aug 25, 2010 - 11:25PM

    Tomorrow belongs to the people who prepare for it today.

    We as a nation have never prepared for the worst.

    We’ve taken a big blow yet again. Recently I’ve been hearing people say that they’ve lost all faith in Pakistan.

    We’ve been through so much; wars, natural disasters, corruption and dishonesty just to name a few.

    There’s always hope until time keeps ticking. Let’s try one more time.Recommend

  • Annie Saeed
    Aug 25, 2010 - 11:41PM

    I couldn’t agree with you more….except for the cockroach part. Cockroaches survive disasters. I hope we are not cockroaches because the world will be better off with us being extinct!Recommend

  • talal
    Aug 25, 2010 - 11:41PM

    i second with Ayesha Ijaz Khan and Saleem H Ali.

    You can not generalise all Pakistanis. No doubt there is so much evil in this country, but the reason this country is still surviving is because of those few good men/women. May be more than few. Why aren’t they ever brought into limelight and made an example for others. Its a very simple rule. You will produce more only of what you will project more. Good people and good causes are seldom highlighted and blown up on media.

    No doubt sialkot event was atrocious, but the amount of time that video was shown on media was just ridiculous. Media makes us more immune to such things by repetitively bringing it to our notice. That is why we are becoming ‘bey his‘.

    self-hatred is not good. We all should try n do more and more positive things to overcome the negativity that is spreading around. We should always be hopeful and keep our acts right. Recommend

  • shafik
    Aug 25, 2010 - 11:53PM

    Weldone , Mr.Fasi zaka for this nice bold illustration ,depicting the core real ,most honest inside tottened degenerated mediaval mentality of islamo gasgstrism ,prevailed in lenght and wedth of this country known to the world with mis nomer as the land of the pures ( Pakistan ) .
    The sialkot insident is very barbaric and atrocious ,but honestly every one knows better ,that such insidences ,though not publicised ,routinely take place every where in this country ,a fort of islam in the name of islam and for islam .
    we have been sending SOS calls to the world civilized polity for quite long ,but none was ready to realize ,as for them ,most probably not possible to realize as one can go so insane and frenzy in the lure to have women and drinks after death in the janat ,would never hesitate to devastate the whole world and every one near around with differnce of openion or faith ,now there is dire need to expose this poisnous nature of the masses and state missionary to the world for waking them up to contain these buggers here and now for ever ,when its not yet too late ,when for sure similar havocs will certainly shock and distroy the peace and civilization of the world at large . Recommend

  • Qudsia
    Aug 26, 2010 - 12:00AM

    It’s about time people start to realize this. There was a comment in the article about the uselessness of saying that this is the reason Pakistan has been struck with disaster. The fact that the floods are a “tragedy and an atrocity”, notwithstanding, I think realizing that God has forsaken them due to their deeds may inspire some to get their acts together and work towards a better end for all. Divine punishment pends on human behavior. And if people can kill in the name of religion, maybe it would be easier for them to take stock of their behavior if they realize this to be divine punishment. Nothing else really seems to budge people. It’s interesting though, in a recent episode of Jirga on Geo, none of the religious clerics wanted to accept this as divine punishment, because then of course they would have to admit that what they’re preaching in the name of Islam isn’t going well with God.Recommend

  • tested
    Aug 26, 2010 - 12:07AM

    not to mention self hating defeatist columnists like you, who try their best to keep the nation where it is, i.e. the gutter, you say you are unusually negative “these days”. when are you ever positive? Recommend

  • Maria
    Aug 26, 2010 - 12:30AM

    I feel so sorry for what happened with the two brothers in Sialkot. Up to this minute, I cannot get myself to watch the video. I am from another Asian country who had the opportunity to meet people from your country. I can say that my country where I was born has it’s own faults. We are no better than anyone else’s. I am not about to pass any judgement here specially that I was only able to meet a tiny fraction of your population. But it’s enough for me. Maybe I am lucky that I was able to meet good people from Pakistan. They are a talented and a smart lot. Yes, they speak their minds, more than any of the other nationalities I’ve also had the chance to meet. But when they do, one would feel how nationalistic they are and how strongly they feel for their country. Being a part of this human race, I would love to see Pakistanis stand up and rise above all what happened. Individually one would feel so small and incapable of doing some change but collectively, with the brilliant minds and smartness you have, I believe in your country and your people. Rise up and shine, Pakistan!! Keep your heads up along the way!!Recommend

  • somi
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:10AM

    Hey Fasi,
    I ran away from Pakistan 4 years back when me and my love got arrested and had to bribe our way through Islamabad police. The reason for us being arrested was that we were sitting in a car… a girl n a boy having ice cream in jinnah super market at 7 pm. They came, caught us, disgraced us and threatened to rape my girl. We paid 4000 rupees to the cops and 5 months later, we ran away from Pakistan. Many things changed since then but one thing I am happy about is that there is no more underlying fear of uncertainty, religious fanaticism, and sick morality. Loved ur writing!Recommend

  • harriskhan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:17AM

    The writer has a point we definitely have become selfish, greedy, intolerant and indifferent but the remedies provided, are they going to change anything? To answer this first take a look at the root causes. The main reason that is responsible for the explosive increase in crime, greed and hatred is injustice and I wouldn’t say lack of faith but negligence. Despite inflation today people are spending more and more money for education mainly to ensure a good career and a good life, but what they don’t realize is that science and technology is not going to teach them ethics, morality and modesty. Every religion especially Islam teaches the highest standards of all these virtues and it is obligatory for every Muslim to practice and to preach these teachings to his/her best. Now people will say that we are taught Islamiyat in schools but I’m sorry to say that I have studied Islamiyat from primary to the university level and its scope is very limited and is mainly restricted to the basics (i.e. the existence of God). So unless we give religion a sincere try (which it deserves) and believe and practice it individually and as a society we can’t say that religion is not going to solve any problem. It is always easy to blame Mullahs for religious heterogeneity but nobody wants to take a good look at his own deeds to find out that he is no different than any of them because he is a part of that system too.
    Einstein well said:”THE WORLD IS A VERY DANGEROUS PLACE, NOT BECAUSE OF THOSE WHO DO EVIL BUT BECAUSE OF THOSE WHO LOOK ON AND DO NOTHING.”
    So let’s not waste more time in blaming one another but realize our duties and fulfill them to the best of our abilities. After all that is the requirement of being a good human, a good Pakistani and a good Muslim. Recommend

  • Samir Merchant
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:17AM

    True enough! but will it make a difference now! since my own political senses arose, I have hearing the same stuff! it was well over a decade ago that I’d hear “the country is going to the dogs” – and some one would retort “not going, GONE”! What the hell has changed except the faces of those that are the powers that be in this land of ‘pure’! no more generals, no more hereditary politicians for GOD’s sake, lets have the social workers, the psychiatrists, lets shed compassion and love, and eliminate fear …… before more generations have passed on – what are we waiting for???Recommend

  • SA
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:19AM

    The anger is justified, but the analysis is misplaced. The problem is not the pakistani nationality as such but the religious intolerance which has bled deep into our nation’s psyche. The problem is not our race, it’s Islam. Despite protestations to the the contrary, Islam is a violent and intolerant religion. And we liberal Muslims are guilty of trying to gloss over its most egregious aspects, and are always trying our damnedest to present Islam in a good light. But it is not working, and never will. The sooner we realise this the better it is for us and our humanity. (Look at the Arabs where Islam originated, they don’t even consider us Muslims.) Of course, most of you will be enraged by this and say it is the virulent wahabi ideology that is breeding intolerance and hatred. But that argument is another handy liberal Muslim cop-out. The wahabi ideology has not come out of thin air, if at all it is mirrors the core quarnic values to the hilt. With the concept of the religion perfected by the last prophet, this is the end of history – and end of the road – for Muslims. Hence the intolerance of “less perfect” religions and “less perfect” peoples. Islam breeds a psychopathic sense of superiority – and Sialkot is the latest manifestation of it. Recommend

  • Farhat
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:32AM

    Great Article! I have lost all hope in Pakistan. Pakistan is living in the dark ages, with barbaric people. The only way out is a revolution, and becoming a country like Turkey! We need a AtaTurk, to get rid of the Mullahs and the extremists, along with the corrupt politicians!Recommend

  • Sidra
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:43AM

    I 100% agree with you! I am sick of Pakistanis thinking everything is a Jewish or American conspiracy!! Whenever I say something to the contrary, people think that “ey bari gori bandi eh”. The big problem in Pakistan is a dissension in opinions is not permitted. Don’t agree with our religion? Too bad, we will kill you; or at least make your life very difficult. Of course, people seem to forget that many of our last names (ex. Rajput, Malhi,etc) belie HINDU origins.

    From birth, children are taught never to question their parents or authority. In school, they get hit with a foota if they don’t follow the rules. Your own opinion on an exam? No way, you have to do rutta and practically memorize the book. A child growing up in a society like this is going to have great difficulty standing up for a contrary opinion. Maybe a few would have the courage to secretly call police…but our country doesn’t have any police!! Seriously…if this happens again…I might scream, but as a girl, I would be afraid to jump in and grab the stick from beating dude. So what should we do if this happens again? Who do we call for backup?Recommend

  • Noor S
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:59AM

    I was more shocked when Mr. Rahman Malik (interior minister) said after watching the video that ” we are waiting for evidence and will act accordingly“….what a shame, what and which polictics evidence you need??? I just cried and is crying…
    Can we do something on our own please????? lets response on this video, if we die, we will be rewarded!Recommend

  • Sam
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:01AM

    Army, American supported corrupt politicians and Islam have all ruined Pakistan. The coming months will show the real chaos. Pakistan was a hastily improvised imperialist creation and was set-up for failure as a tool of US imperialist “great game” agenda from CENTO to the “Jihad” against the USSR. The hapless people of Pakistan are now facing KARMA for their evil and misery caused in Afghanistan and terrorist activities against their neighbors and the world. No one has any sympathy for such sick people.Recommend

  • Jesrani
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:02AM

    I think whatever happened in sialkot was pathetic but i am going to divert your attention to the media !!! which telecast that such a brutal video to show the world that media play the positive role hh… very pathetic media i would say ….. i dont think our media is playing any positive role but i would say our media is mental n out of control ,,, get a life MEDIAAAAAAAAA…..Recommend

  • Annoush
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:06AM

    I was very saddened by the numerous commentaries and the article. I am an American woman who married a Pakistani and lived near Muzzghafar (please excuse if misspelled) for about a year. Most of the family welcomed me with open arms and I felt true affection and love from most. Some, did not accept me, but they still maintained a respectful attitude toward me. Even strangers gave me the same respect as they gave Pakistanti women.

    Pakistan is having their problems, corrupt government officials, corrupt police officials, and zealous individuals who believe what they are told about foreign countries without any proof. But I still believe that most of the countrymen are good, proud people who can rise above the torment and indignation which is going on currently. A common expression in US is “a few bad apples do not spoil the whole basket full of apples”. And this is true of Pakistan. Do not condemn all Pakistani’s because of those who have forgotten Allah and the teachings of Muhammad “peace be upon him”.Recommend

  • sane
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:06AM

    This is what happens when you follow Wahabi’ism. You were warned for years. Recommend

  • Usama Ali Khan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:14AM

    My Friends, I see a revolution coming our way. If anyone is not ready for it he should leave because i fear that we are going to see a lot of blood in the future.Recommend

  • Ahmad
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:17AM

    A very well contradictory piece of written art!
    To certain extent i do agree with the way writer has expressed his love for the country! huh
    I wish to make a very short and clear point here. ‘We’ in general people who are writing and reading this column on the internet dont even know the real picture of Pakistan. Its easy to sit in air conditioned homes with all the facilities on tip of your fingers and complaining about the nature and socio-economic state of this country. Country is made of traditions, cultures, creed, religion and all of that binds it together to become a nation.
    Do you know how much is 1kg of sugar or flour or meat costs in your town?? No, I am sure you dont and that does not gives us right to judge my country on grounds of your Intellect. Cant we think beyond the borders of West, america or Religion??
    I believe prosperity comes with a price and that in this case is Religious Revival(islam;shariah law). I am pretty sure a Modern day Khomeini or Ahmadin Nijad is the only way out or we could go-western(democracy: rules made by the people for the people hence no Divinty in nature)Recommend

  • Bashy Quraishy
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:32AM

    Since I have never read any thing else by Fasi Zaka before his article: Pakistan’s human cockroaches appeared in The Express Tribune, on 26th August 2010, I can only comment what I just read. Honestly, I am filled with sadness and disgust at the way, he has blasted the whole Pakistani nation. As you want all Pakistanis to feel shame, in fact a substantial loss of self-esteem, I suggest that you start it with yourself.
    As a writer and journalist, you ought to be able to convey your important message in a more reasonable way. Do not try to project your own inadequacies on the whole nation. You have command of the words in your power, please use this tool constructively.
    I share your profound anger and frustration at the beastly killing of two innocent youth in Sialkot. We must condemn this act of madness in the strongest way possible and hold the police and the gang of civilians who took part in this carnage along with everyone who stood bye and watched.
    So far so good-
    But from taking a commendable position on the callings in Sialkot, you are going after Pakistanis – all 170 millions of them – describing them as human cockroaches, failed people undeserving of any sympathy, and Pakistan a failed state is not only childish but shows a lack of serious efforts to suggest solutions.
    Please Mr. Zaka, speak for yourself and do not use the word, We Pakistanis or even we. You do not represent me or 170 million hard working, gentle and loving people. Pakistanis are not diseased or rotten to every brain stem, as you so bombastically proclaim. Some are undoubtedly mean and violent but most are not. Just look at the way, ordinary Pakistanis went out of their way to help fellow countrymen in the flood stricken areas. It is this, the world must notice and not the extremely stupid suggestion of yours that the world must make an impenetrable fence around Pakistan, to keep it in so that Pakistanis don’t spread it to other people, other countries.
    I do hope that you have calmed down a bit now and realized that one can not and should not paint all the people with one brush. There are good people and then there are idiots. Be in the first group and fight against the second one.
    Kind regards
    Bashy Quraishy
    Chief Editor – MediaWatch – Denmark
    Board Member – Institute for Human Rights -Denmark
    Board Member – World Cultural Center – Copenhagen
    Mobile; 0045 40 15 47 71
    Phone; 0045 38 88 19 77
    http://www.bashy.dkRecommend

  • amir saulat jafri
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:46AM

    The writer’s self-loathing reflects nothing but his pathological mindset. His article is no less sensational and shocking than the gruesome happening itself.

    It is big news simply because mob-lynchings are not a cultural phenomenon in the eastern civilizations..even today.

    An Overwhelming majority of Pakistanis are God-fearing muslims. The real curse on Pakistan is the, westoxicated, so-called elite. It is the “Officer” class living in “Offence” colonies; the military, and the bureaucracy. The biggest feudal is the military-bureaucracy nexus…not the rural jageerdaar or the businessman.
    Their Big Protector, their mai baap, their Dog-father, is the USA. Once Pakistan rids itself of the westoxicated scum..as Iran has already done, it will be back to its glorious days…the days when the englishman had not set its ugly foot there.
    Recommend

  • Amber
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:52AM

    I remember some years back there was a case in Karachi where the owner’s son had raped the maid and then set her on fire. As the legal proceedings started, I asked my mother ‘Who would want to marry a man like that who can do this to a woman – first rape her and then try to burn her?’ Her immediate (and what I then thought as extremely cynical) reply was ‘Wait a few months – the boy will be freed from prison and his family will be telling everyone what a bad character that maid had and how innocent their son is. Some girl will be married to him and will believe he is a saint.’

    As a society, why dont we boycott such people? We honour the murderers, rapists, child molestors, by allowing them the privilege of meeting us at an equal footing. Shun them! MAKE them feel unwanted. Do not accept them in your homes. Show them that if they cannot stop themselves from beating a woman, hitting innocent children, abusing and burning the women who happen to work as servants in their homes, then they are not welcome in OUR homes. Recommend

  • Afzan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 3:25AM

    Man , U said my words… Recommend

  • R
    Aug 26, 2010 - 4:11AM

    I couldn’t have said it better. The words you wrote were as if taken right out of my mouth. But Please, sir , I request you to stand up against the Sialkot Incident. PROTEST! People need a strong youth like yourself to stand up against what happened! We need to serve them justice!Recommend

  • R
    Aug 26, 2010 - 4:15AM

    But i believe the FLOODS are Allah’s wrath..everyon sees it differently and you are entitied to your opinion. But do you not see that God is unhappy with Pakistan? ( I say us, ’cause i am also a pakistani) .. And i SERIOUSLY PRAY that the people who killed those 2 innocent boys are HANGED! Recommend

  • Aisha Zahid
    Aug 26, 2010 - 4:48AM

    If only there were actual people like you in Pakistan, who thought of self-reflection as a way to bring change to a whole nation.Recommend

  • asad
    Aug 26, 2010 - 4:49AM

    hahahahahahahahahahaha!….rofl!….dude you r really funny~Recommend

  • ahmed
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:08AM

    why are people so obsessed with the lynching of two thieves shot three people and killed one.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/42925/bandit-terror/

    4 people were killed yesterday by bandits in karachi, i wish somebody in karachi had the good sense of lynching them.

    The bugers/mummy/daddy type people who are talking about civilized have probably never gotten a family member killed by a bandit. Chinese are famous for publicly executing criminals and crooks. The only reason the taliban were popular was simply because they had a very efficient justice system. No killer has ever been found guilty in our courts, but the taliban were able to slaughter one of the most notorious criminals in the badlands of PK within days (they went astray after they started slaughtering everyone). We need a quick and efficient justice system. The family members of bilal (the guy killed by these kids) were not going to wait 20 years and then see these brothers go free. They did what was right. I say lynch all killers especially the ones who go around killing people for mobile phones. These criminals have no fear. Strike fear into their hearts. Recommend

  • Amir
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:59AM

    People are impassive that’s why it all happened . Pakistan is the great country ,citizens of the country make the image . Yes I do agree Pakistan is a failed state B’coz of people like U.Fasi..Zaka… who cant do any thing just criticize country on a 1st step.. Do something instead of writing articles or else dont blame country ….. Recommend

  • Waqar
    Aug 26, 2010 - 6:02AM

    I couldn’t agree more with Bashy’s comment. Despite Pakistan’s woes, using the term ‘Pakistan’s human cockroaches’ is a very disparaging and self-hating despiction of the nation as a whole. There are those who follow a mob mentality and there are those who are individualistic by nature. There are many individualistic people in Pakistan who are sincere, hardworking, honest to the core, upright, kind, respectful, principled and God fearing.

    Brother Talal has rightly mentioned “You can not generalise all Pakistanis. No doubt there is so much evil in this country.” Fasi, evil is universal and exists in different manifestations, at all levels from state sanctioned, mob mentality to individuals. If you looked beyond the periphery of your comfort exlcusion zone, you’ll see such incidents are not isolated, they happen all over the world and are just as barbaric, yet no-one tarnishes a whole populace with such extreme derogatory remarks. Read up on the James Bulger brutal murder case (UK) in the 1990′s, how the tabloid newspapers denounced the people who had seen James but had not intervened to aid James, yet the nation was not called ‘Evil’ for their apathy.

    Bothers Mohammed and Hayder Ali (May Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful grant him Jannah) were murdered in Tooting, London a few years ago by a mob witnessed by many, but all were afraid to give testimony in court due to fear of repisals.

    Abdul Bhatti a childhood friend of mine (May Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful grant him Jannah), was brutally beaten to death in London Tottenham carnival many years ago by a mob of 50 people. Abdul’s murder made headlines in UK and coverage in Pakistan. His mother was making preperations for a possible engagement for her only son in Pakistan at the time. The murderers were nearly all of black race and it was suggested that there was a racial element to it. Not even once would I have used a hateful term to apply to black people, as I have number of black friends both Christians and Muslims, acknowledging the fact there are both good and evil amongst all so called ‘civilized’ peoples.Recommend

  • ss
    Aug 26, 2010 - 6:34AM

    Well said….but in order to reform people one needs to convey the message in their mother tongue which is urdu. How will you spark a change when the message hasn’t reached the general masses.Recommend

  • muhammad hashim khan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 6:46AM

    dear fasi,
    i totally support you for whatever your feelings are about this incident. you have at least put it in writing, but believe me millions of people are speechless at all this atrocity. WHY! did it happen in the first place? this is the question that the government has to answer, but no! why would they bother doing so? they have more important things to look into. what a pity! let me ask the people of pakistan. what make you think proud? why you consider yourself superior when such like incidents are taking place every now and then. who has given you the right to do all this to the innocent people. sorry! you do not have the right to be proud. we failed as a nation centuries ago, as a country 63 years ago and i believe we never were human beings so there is no question of failure. to hell with pakistani democracy, bureaucracy, army and last but not the least pakistani people and their sickening moral superiority.
    muhammad hashim khan.Recommend

  • notapaki
    Aug 26, 2010 - 7:54AM

    just beg india to take over again. sad day for pakistan, should be ashamed of yourselves. these boys – so called ‘thieves’, wat about rest of pakistan, they all decent, no one is a thief? everyone in that country is a thief. and all this in ramadhan? sick! poor boys were fasting, and one of them a hafiz.

    ‘He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with the help of his hand;

    and if he has not strength enough to do that, then he should do it with his tongue;

    and if he has not strength enough to do even that, then he should (at least abhor it) from his heart; and that is the least of faith.”

    Sahih Muslim Hadith 79 Narrated by Abu Sa’d al Khudri

    All those watching are going to get the same fate as those cowards that killed these boys. if not in this world, definately in the next.Recommend

  • Emm Jay
    Aug 26, 2010 - 8:49AM

    Extremely well said Fasi! Finally, someone with enough grit to say it like it is!Recommend

  • Haris Chaudhry
    Aug 26, 2010 - 9:01AM

    Bashy Quraishy
    Bashy, re your comment and your appreciation for all things Pakistan, why shall I ask you had a need to change your name from Bashir to Bahy – a moot point really but lets look at what you say.

    It is not the conduct of those that live in the country peacefully but those that are blood thirsty and violent that makes a nation like us deserving of its reputation.

    Lets look at the past 2 weeks and you tell me if there is another nation on earth (barring perhaps Mexico and Sudan) that has such violent tendencies being expressed by fellow people against there own.

    Quetta – Bus stopped and Punjabis identified then struck with bullets until all 10 of them died on the spot in front of the bus full of passengers – In the name of Baloch identity and suppression. Innocent 10 lives taken away by barbarians.

    40 people (innocent again) killed in WANA at a mosque by Taliban murderes – in the name of Islam..

    8 people killed in Waziristan and 4 in KP by suicide bombers – you guessed it – in the name of Islam.

    8 people killed in Karachi in MQM-ANP stoush… in the name of ethnicity or land grabbing..

    2 boys tortured to death in Sialkot by a mob of dozens of people and in the presence of police and citizens and their dead bodies driven through the town and then hung with a pole. – in the name of ummm revenge perhaps.

    There are more reported rapes of women in Karachi alone (I say reported so dont count unreported) than the entire nation of USA in one year. 18 million people in Karachi vs 300+ million in USA.

    3 people in North Waziristan killed by Taliban on the mere suspicion of being spies – again in the name of Islam I must add.

    Now just look at the last 6 months and you get another dozen suicide bombings killing 250 + people, lynching of Qadianis in a mosque, killing of Christians, rapes and what have you.. and it must dawn on the rest of us that Pakistan is infact a rotten state – rotten on the outside, rotten to the core.

    Keep counting these events and each and every bit of statistics tell you why we have the deserving reputation that we enjoy as a failed state, failed people and nauseatingly delusional people that is ready to blame everyone but our own actions. Step down from your noble high horse and see us, the rotten cockroaches that we are and the blood thirsty, ideologically confused, intolerant masses that define us in the eyes of the broader world.

    Stay safe in Denmark and enjoy your media watching as Pakistan breaks all records in the race of being the most intolerant nation on this planet as our economy goes from worse to worse-est and the nation lives on handouts from US and Europe and IMF. We are going down the gurglar and its about time you and others opened your eyes to what is really wrong with us people.Recommend

  • Faisal Jhandir
    Aug 26, 2010 - 9:20AM

    At some level it makes me think the guys who did this really are not the ones to be blamed. Could they have just been trying to get justice? Someone shot their child few days ago and they likely did not get justice or had any hope of getting it. So what they do, go out and get justice themselves or whatever they thought was justice.

    So who committed these murders really? Could this be because of me or my family or friends or people I feel “privileged” to know of? Because of the so called “resourceful few” including me, who have corrupted our judiciary completely with bribery and influence that it has become virtually inaccessible to the masses?
    Would these murders have had happen if everyone had access to justice? Unlikely !

    As far as I am concerned the guys with the sticks are also victims in this case as much as the kids who got killed. They are all victims of inaccessibility to justice. They are all victims of my greed. I am the real murderer of Sialkot.Recommend

  • Jawwad
    Aug 26, 2010 - 10:00AM

    Rightly said Fasi, but brutality is yet to come. Humanity was brutally murdered on 15th Aug in Sialkot. It will be coffined the day the DPO, the SHO and their instruments will get away. And yes they will get away because in this society of so called Muslims, friendship and personal interests are above religion, law, and even humankind. The whole society is in shambles. The Police is still trying to protect the criminals, DPO who to me is the actual mastermind of this gruesome incident is confined to his house not yet put in the jail. I don’t know how could someone side with these cannibals, this is beyond human imagination.Recommend

  • Husnain Lotia
    Aug 26, 2010 - 10:19AM

    And then we will blame the media….. “why do they show us only the negative side of Pakistan? Why not the good side?”Recommend

  • irfan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 10:24AM

    Aslam-o-Alaikum Fasi,

    Sorry if you are offended by this Islamic greetings.

    I’m an Electronics engineer and working for a multi-national company and having a total of 14 years of working experience. I don’t have a beared but I try to pray regularly.

    Sialkot incident is one of the most brutal incident. According to the teaching of Islam if a single innocant human being(its not about a innocent Muslim) is killed its a death of the humanity.

    I refuse to be labeled as a human cockroach. You have insulted all humans of this country who are thinking humans.

    May I ask you how many minutes you have spent to learn about Islam? If you dare to answer it you’ll get to know the real worth of your arguments.

    I’m ready to condemn about the last 1300 years of Muslim rulers and muslims. But I’m astonished by your attack on Islam.

    May Allah give us the wisdom to understand the teachings of Islam.

    Kind Regards,

    Irfan Recommend

  • Hina
    Aug 26, 2010 - 10:33AM

    Brilliant!Recommend

  • rehan fasih
    Aug 26, 2010 - 10:41AM
  • madi
    Aug 26, 2010 - 10:52AM

    way to go!!!!!n its true…Recommend

  • Sirosh
    Aug 26, 2010 - 11:02AM

    Fasi, I agree with you. Sitting silent won’t help our country! It’s time for us to speak up.Recommend

  • rehan fasih
    Aug 26, 2010 - 11:06AM

    I liked the comments of bashy qureshy, maria and annoush…

    Atleast they are realistic and they are not harvard educated, pessimistic, self lamenting, nation bashing scholars..like FASI and all his followers.
    Get real ! donot splatter this event on the face of 170 millions..this is the dilemma of our media personalities…in order to make themselves popular in the educated minorities they use such maligned stance and articles.

    You should not be the dooms sayers instead but be a catalyst for change and provide solutions… Recommend

  • Aug 26, 2010 - 11:10AM

    Pervaiz sahib,

    It would have been more meaningful if the author of this article had offered an analysis of the situation along with some thoughtful and practical suggestions for corrective actions that must be taken to change things for the better. The whining that he has offered is only an expression of his emotional state of helplessness and vulnerability at the hands of the negative forces which are rampant in that society.
    The author is also a bit confused, he is not sure he wants to blame Islam or the personal behavior of the Pakistani Muslims. A conscious differentiation between Islam and Muslims would be desirable to put things in proper perspective.
    Realistically speaking, neither the Muslims nor the Pakistanis, in general, are human cockroaches – we find them living and working in many countries in the West where they are as valuable citizens as any. So what gives? The missing part of the equation in Pakistan of course is the lack of appropriate political culture and socio-economic infrastructure that is essential to bind the members of a society together to create harmony and synergy.
    The system must be changed and will be changed after a few good people come to the fore and take the bull by the horns.
    Javed I. Chaudry Recommend

  • Aug 26, 2010 - 11:11AM

    I don’t like receiving email from strangers, but this one caught my interest as the Islamabad columnist has portrayed the feeling of many people from that country. Finally he has put things in perspective I.e., “internal locus of control” as they say in Psychology, simply meaning look for problems and solutions inward rather than blaming everything on everyone else. Pakistanis do have the characters he so intelligently describes. I share his thoughts, feelings and frustrations. I think this columnist deserves an award for boldly describing the reality of things in Pakistan. I hope he does not suffer for what he is saying. All my well wishes to a wise thinker and communicator.

    Sincerely,
    Talat Recommend

  • Aug 26, 2010 - 11:12AM

    Are Indian Muslims also “cockroaches of the human race”? If not then they must be practicing different Islam.
    (It is just food for thought)Recommend

  • Aug 26, 2010 - 11:13AM

    Ouch! That hurt!
    Sad, but true!Recommend

  • Omar
    Aug 26, 2010 - 11:19AM

    Pakistan Murdabad! Please get invaded soon.Recommend

  • Aug 26, 2010 - 11:30AM

    One should be very courageous to tell the truth and to listen/read the truth.
    I feel myself in between – I am not courageous – yes but this is the truth.
    Misbah – Recommend

  • rafiq sait
    Aug 26, 2010 - 11:33AM

    nice article and all, but why drag the jews and hindus to make a deragortry point. its nice to see pakistani’s especially the youth feel this way. its now time to act.Recommend

  • Aug 26, 2010 - 11:44AM

    Very well written piece that shows the anger. A bit of it is applicable to us Indians as well. After all, hum log hain to basically bhai bhai, naa?
    We have our honour killings of lovers and all that.
    We have our Common Wealth Games scandals.
    We have a system that just works Raam-Bharose! Even Ram ji is stumped, I have been told.
    Office goers die on their trusty Bajaj Scooter as the puddle of rainwater is electrified. I am sure your country also has such engineers and PWD officers who give a damn.
    I can go on and on. I am seriously thinking of emigrating to some secluded jungle and start life afresh ONLY because of my fellow countrymen!
    Insensitive people is what our Indo-Pak population is made up of.Recommend

  • Faisal Jhandir
    Aug 26, 2010 - 12:15PM

    The first step in solving the problem – accepting that there is a problem. Congrats for getting it out there.

    How can we change things ?
    I suggest we start looking at ourselves – Question to ask would be “Am I contributing little bit to Pakistan’s problems? Answer is if you ever break or bend any law then yes you are! If only everyone started following the rules without waiting for others. Pakistan would be a better place.
    FaisalRecommend

  • madi
    Aug 26, 2010 - 12:23PM

    oh please….get it right..islam isnt to b blammed but these people should be…as they our amending our religion according to them…
    Who are these people to decide the good or bad deeds of others? Are these people animals? The extremists who have turned militant declare war against anyone with viewpoints contrary to theirs; thus, declaration of war against a government was common but now they have forcefully started imposing their views on weak societies, in hopes of conquering one and establishing a base for further control.
    Globally Muslims are known as extremist. And people think that extremism is inspired by the sources of Islam: the Qur’an verses, ahadith sira and sharia that justify or encourage attacks. Although Islam is a complete code of life, it’s a guide for all humans. And these are the people who have created a false image against our religion.Recommend

  • umair
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:08PM

    Thank you.. great article. We need to feel shame and stop the apathy.Recommend

  • Mian Saleem
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:21PM

    Beautifully written article…. reflects the true mindset of Pakistani nation that is subservient to Pirs, Maqdooms, Kabar Parasts etc. I see no change in the attitude.Recommend

  • Sheikh Sarmad
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:25PM

    Speaking the truth in our society is rare! congrats!
    We need to contemplate and see the true picture of ourselves!Recommend

  • Anam Gill
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:25PM

    Well it’s indeed sad and barbaric. There are no two ways about it but the irony is this mob mentality is not going to get us anywhere. I wasn’t in Pakistan when this happened and it was a shocking news that welcomed me. In Portugal during UNAOC Summer School we were dreaming to see a better world. And believe me incidents like these can dash your hopes and then how can you not be a pessimist when there is a reality check so severe.

    We all need to shake our conscience once and for all, till when is this going to happen? Is raising Pakistani flag on 14 Aug sufficient to acknowledge our patriotisn and pride being Pakistanis? It’s high time we should be thinking of one love, one world. I wish to be alive to see that day.Recommend

  • madi
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:27PM

    Um a pakistan..n i hate voilence..but i wish i could hang those murderers myself..n trust me..i wont regret it…Recommend

  • Shoaib Mir
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:37PM

    Spot on, Fasi, thanks.
    it’s high time we understood that our greatest enemy is within. Both Islam and Pakistan should be wary of Muslims. Unless we stop pointing fingers at others and unless we start sweeping before own door, the things are not going to change. It’s a long road ahead. A millennium of inertia, ignorance and ineptness is not going to vanish like that. We have to undo with our teeth the knots that we have tied with our very own hands.Recommend

  • Tariq Khan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:53PM

    True,every word I could not have written a better assessment of the situation,The same people have run the country from 1947 till now,each generation following the rules sent down by the British of appeasing the Sahib rather than doing good or the right thing.The police could not act,they would loose there job because Sahib would get angry.We deserve a Flood so huge so as to wash 165 million into the Arabian Sea. Recommend

  • Salwa
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:07PM

    Appropriate harsh words from another writer. The problem though, is that we’ve missed the bigger picture.

    To say that Pakistanis were having “fun” is yet another elitist and naive assumption. What has been completely undermined is that a big reason why the people and their mob mentality didn’t stop the brutal murders was the frustrations of a people lacking governance.

    People are so fed up of crime and looting, constant fear and injustice that they took governance into their own hands. They know they will never get justice if their life-savings/property (which is all they have) gets taken away from them. This is not an isolated incident, it just happened to make it to the media. And the only time people get justice in this country, it seems these days, is when things make it to the media. That in itself speaks volumes.

    I will go on to say that there is a problem with Pakistanis, no doubt. And no one factor can describe why. But to say people are frustrated is an understatement, and such incidents are only the beginning of what is going to come. This nation is truly in anarchy. I can’t even begin to imagine what will happen when famine hits next year. Recommend

  • Salman Shafiq
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:27PM

    Hi Fasi can see the level of frustration you are undergoing through. Probably like every other thoughtful Pakistani. I firmly disagree with your over genneralization. There are many who had been trying to fight back every evil on every front they possibly could in last 60 years. You don’t have a right to be be derogatory to them without knowing about their sacrifices and contribution. Sounds emotional! I personally know the editor of a magazine fighting intellectual battle against Taliban. The gentleman once got out of his car to enter the office, when a gentleman approached him, put a gun in his mouth and pushed the trigger. The bullet lodged near to spinal chord saving major arteries. Surprisingly the gentleman survived shocked but continued to fight on all literary front. His magazine is called “Ishraq”, the english version is called “Renaissance”. Still fighting back.Would you please exclude him from your list? I would strongly suggest to exclude Edhi and Imran Khan as well who have been literally shouting on streets like animals for seeking support of people like you and me. I think if you are so touched with this incidence it’s time to sublimate it into a fruitfull action rather declaring all teh nation “animal”. TaRecommend

  • amir saulat jafri
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:50PM

    For the westoxicated Pakistanis; Here are a state-by-state

    statistics of lynchings in their land of bilk and money…the U.S

    SOURCE
    UMKC School of Law
    DEFINITION
    Number of total people killed by lynching from 1882 to 1968. Per capita figures expressed per 1 million population.
    Crime Statistics > Lynchings > Total (per capita) (most recent) by state
    VIEW DATA: Totals Per capita
    Definition Source Printable version
    Bar Graph Map

    Showing latest available data.
    Rank States Amount

    1 Mississippi: 198.898 per 1 million people

    2 Arkansas: 102.189 per 1 million people

    3 Montana: 89.775 per 1 million people

    4 Louisiana: 86.435 per 1 million people

    5 Alabama: 76.133 per 1 million people

    6 Wyoming: 68.723 per 1 million people

    7 Georgia: 58.528 per 1 million people

    8 Kentucky: 49.121 per 1 million people

    9 Tennessee: 42.093 per 1 million people

    10 South Carolina: 37.602 per 1 million people

    11 South Dakota: 34.797 per 1 million people

    12 Oklahoma: 34.387 per 1 million people

    13 Nebraska: 32.409 per 1 million people

    14 West Virginia: 26.419 per 1 million people

    15 North Dakota: 25.13 per 1 million people

    16 Texas: 21.566 per 1 million people

    17 Missouri: 21.033 per 1 million people

    18 Kansas: 19.674 per 1 million people

    19 New Mexico: 18.668 per 1 million people

    20 Florida: 15.852 per 1 million people

    21 Colorado: 14.576 per 1 million people

    22 Idaho: 13.995 per 1 million people

    23 Virginia: 13.214 per 1 million people

    24 North Carolina: 11.632 per 1 million people

    25 Indiana: 7.494 per 1 million people

    26 Iowa: 6.405 per 1 million people

    27 Oregon: 5.768 per 1 million people

    28 Arizona: 5.219 per 1 million people

    29 Maryland: 5.178 per 1 million people

    30 Washington: 4.135 per 1 million people

    31 Utah: 3.239 per 1 million people

    32 Illinois: 2.664 per 1 million people

    33 Nevada: 2.485 per 1 million people

    34 Ohio: 2.268 per 1 million people

    35 Minnesota: 1.753 per 1 million people

    36 Vermont: 1.605 per 1 million people

    37 California: 1.19 per 1 million people

    38 Delaware: 1.186 per 1 million people

    39 Wisconsin: 1.084 per 1 million people

    40 Michigan: 0.79 per 1 million people

    41 Maine: 0.757 per 1 million people

    42 Pennsylvania: 0.644 per 1 million people

    43 New Jersey: 0.229 per 1 million people

    44 New York: 0.104 per 1 million people

    Weighted average: 26.5 per 1 million people

    DEFINITION: Number of total people killed by lynching from 1882 to 1968. Per capita figures expressed per 1 million population.

    SOURCE: UMKC School of LawRecommend

  • Moho
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:56PM

    Dear Friends,

    As much as I agree to the sentiments, I also feel all should not be painted with the same brush. There is a awake minority in this country who forcefully condemn this sort of behavior in Pakistan and the all the other condemnable acts. Their (public, media, icons etc.) voice is hardly being heard, even though some of them do venture out to the Press Clubs and other such forums even the National Assembly, check out, http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1534652242367.
    BUT there is no way the few will have any affect on the majority, who is not only illiterate but uncouth and down right unaware of what a human being should behave like. It is just akin to caging a child at birth and bring it out at maturity, they are all misfits in todays developed world. Unfortunately, Pakistan is in the top most populated countries in the world.
    The challenge is to reign this populace in, because given the opportunity to reform, this nation can achieve.
    To find a leadership like this, is impossible, as its by the people, for the people, thats a dead end. Foreign governance is out of the question.
    Thats when we have to look up to God, to send his Mahdi, post haste. HE would do us a huge favor by sending the Mahdi in to Pakistan itself, where he is needed most.
    Need of the hour is for the Muslims of Pakistan, to collectively pray for the Saviour, and pray hard. Thats the only solution, rest is all dreaming.
    While we pray, kindly signal the rest of the world to let some of the saner minority escape, if they can muster the funds.
    Humph!Recommend

  • Yousaf Raza
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:57PM

    I believe that the biggest crime was done by, so called our great leader Quaid-e-Azam. We don’t deserve this country.i am sure we can never ever become a peaceful nation.That was the stupidity of our leader to have a separate country. That was the root of all problems.Only thing that i want to say is that “WE ALL ARE SICK”..Recommend

  • rashid
    Aug 26, 2010 - 3:25PM

    while indians are developing their economy we are doing these things. I am starting to wonder if we would be doing these things if we are part of India.Recommend

  • iqbal
    Aug 26, 2010 - 3:25PM

    We have degenerated into barbaric people of the past due to years of brainwashing by fundamentalists, who have de-sentized the lot with brutal & savage practies, practices which were prevalent 1400 years ago. All in the name of religion. There is no respect for any thing lawful. We have become filthy, un-caring and selfish in these last 30 odd years. Being humane, decent, caring, tolerant, law abiding or civic minded is alien to us.Recommend

  • amir saulat jafri
    Aug 26, 2010 - 3:32PM

    This article is nothing but cyber-lynching of Muslims in general and Pakistani muslims in particular. These liberaloons and secularoons pounce upon such opportune moments to glorify their own kanjaroon agendas.

    As long as Pakistan is controlled by these “foreigners” , the kalloo goraas, the ashamed-of-urdu types…the Muslims of Pakistan will continue to be oppressed and subjugated.

    A revolution like Iran is the answer..Proud of their language, Religion, culture. As does China.
    Do you not all see how the Ugly American yelps and runs with tail between its legs when the Iranian Lion roars?Recommend

  • Dr Hamid
    Aug 26, 2010 - 4:01PM

    It was interesting reading the article and comments.I truly feel there is a “problem” we face today as a nation.It is partly created by our leaders,our justice system,education and upbringing.
    I was a proud Pakistani when I came to this small Gulf sate 20 years ago.But I do not feel the same way today(most unfortunate).
    This country-just 40 years ago had only one secondary school,less than a dozen people owned cars,2 km metaled road in the whole country,literacy rate was single digit. But then
    there came a leader who changed everything in less than 25 years.
    Now this place has best road and communication system,most peaceful place i have visited in the world ,everybody gets free education(Tarbia-o-Taleem)and best health care facilities,friendly police,justice to everybody(wether you are a local or expatriate).
    Everybody has the right to practice his religion-the way he likes in this Sunni dominated Muslim country.
    I am not exaggerating.This place is just 1 hour 15 min flying time away from Karachi.
    Everybody here, believes that it was only “leadership” which brought this turn around.
    I believe we need to rise,select trustworthy people,stop self blaming and Inshaallah become proud Pakistani !
    May Allah bless Pakistan with a sincere,trustworthy leadership.
    Dr.Hamid Choudhry
    Muscat-OmanRecommend

  • Syed Khalid Kamal
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:36PM

    Bravo, Fasi Bravo, well said. Recommend

  • Sarah Khan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:43PM

    Now was there really a need of Islam-bashing in this article?Recommend

  • Nael
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:45PM

    Yes and no.
    Yes the nation has become immune to brutality and therefore can become spectator to it being dispensed to “criminals” on the street or in the thana, sometimes with pleasure and at others with a silent nod. And yes, we the educated lot continues to be held hostage to handy work of corrupt to the core politicians and the impotent state machinery. And yes, we lack wisdom and courage to stand up to tyranny, to come out in the open and to challenge the barbarism being inflicted upon us. And yes, we deserve people like Zardari, even worst if there are any that is.
    But No, we are not a lost cause. And No, we are not a hopeless case. I don’t know how but we will change, I promise we will —for better. I will not buy into pessimism, self pity and abuse. There is good out there, there is hope and there is light.
    Do your bit——-Stand up to the hegemony of illiterate, abusive, corrupt and manipulating politicians. Stand up to the useless, immoral, unethical and perverted state institution. Promise to stand against barbarism and never to endure such naked brutality. It is now or never. Recommend

  • Nisar
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:49PM

    Dear Fasi
    I want you to write on the lynching of more than 700 innocent people in the FATA by the CIA drones…
    Do you think the sons & daughters of the tribal people weigh less in comparison to the rest of the world? Dont they deserve a comment from you & cant you declare CIA people cockroaches????
    What do you think of the taxi driver being stabbed in New York for admitting to be a muslim???
    Will you write an article declaring the cockroaches of US on this incident…..
    Will you also speak of some solutions to our problems??
    What kind of practical contribution you are making to turn Pakistan into a better place, any examples???? other than turning an already depressed society into a hopeless society???
    If you think that we all are cockroaches & Pakistan is a hopeless place, then why do not you give up on us & migrate to a better place though you will face huge difficulty in finding a cockroach less place……
    Please do not do this to all of us who are as sad & frustrated as may be you are & we are not cockroaches.
    Don’t you think that by staying positive we can improve the situation????Recommend

  • wajahat shafi
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:58PM

    sir,
    i read ur article,ur paragragh saying ,if we hd a real democracy…..,really congruents with my heart feelings,how much we as a nation are corrupt,being a doctor doing my specialization by the( grace of ALLAH, i give exampLe of two days back,
    man came with 7 yrs old child of bomb blast affecte,with just minor bruises on back,i told him his patient is stable by grace of ALLAH,,and refer him to paeditric surgeon,while going i said to myself ,what a punishment we are suffering,when ignorant pashton will be educatd, at this man start shouting on me,saying u doctor are the killer,u deserve to be killed,doctors in emergency sent me to neuosurgery,then thorax ward and now ur refering me to paeditric ward.,i said in response,they are doing all for ur patient bebefit.he said shut up dont give me lecture,and return my documents back, u mayforgive him as he was suffering from mental panic at that time.,but worse than that yesterday patient was in need of strecher to go for investigation,as prescribed by one of doctor,poen told him wait for sometime,as all available strecher are currently in use by other patients,one of patieint relatives open fire in air,
    This is kind of mentality we have as a nation,in desparation ,i would say we NEED STALIN RUSSIA FOR QUITE SOMETIME,TO CRUSH ALL TALIBINIZED,CORRUPT AND USURPERS Recommend

  • Dr Zafar Iqbal
    Aug 26, 2010 - 6:18PM

    Dot on Fasih.
    Jaanay kis jurm ki pai hi saza, yaad nihinRecommend

  • Kanwal Haqqi
    Aug 26, 2010 - 6:31PM

    Well said Fasi!!
    Our country is going down the drain. All these people want is to get ahead of each other by ruining simple lives. More than ten years ago I used to feel pride of our country, I used to tell every one of what an amazing country i belong from… now when I mention Pakistan’s name in my Organizational communication class, every one gives me weird expressions.. as if I belong from the sewerage. I wish there could be any improvement in the system… but I cant see anything happening any time soon.
    “Long live Pakistan! And let others live”
    Recommend

  • Annie
    Aug 26, 2010 - 7:04PM

    brutally honest…kudos to you Fasi…alas this nation would rather depend on natural holocausts to wipe the scum off this earth than initiate a change in themselves….why change our twisted superiority when we can sit in our swanky drawing rooms in our posh neighborhoods and condemn the ‘illiteracy’ and ‘barbaric acts’ of the greater part of our country…joining the 15th or so group on facebook or twittering away about how sad u feel for the family is our way of showing the world we care…when in fact we don’t care a dimes worth what happens to the country…the whole nation can burn down to ashes as long as I’m safe in my apartment in Dubai or my summer house London….isn’t that exactly what the presidents doing after all??Recommend

  • Summer Nicks
    Aug 26, 2010 - 7:17PM

    There are two types of evil in this world. People who commit evil acts and people who watch evil acts being committed and do nothing to stop them…. Each of those individuals are as guilty as the men holding those clubs. Karma will prevail and the laws of attraction will respond, it never fails however, it is a shame that again, this pathetic display of human indignity is cast across the world to prove everything ‘they’ say about us, right! Great article, spot on, though it seems you have lost faith in the good people of this country who seemed to be submerged amidst the filth and seemingly voiceless and powerless to make change evident.Recommend

  • Mariam El-Edroos
    Aug 26, 2010 - 7:28PM

    Having lived through Bangladesh. it comes as no surprise sadly, the mindset of our misled people. A fish always rots from its head. nothing can be as menacing as an ignorant mob. why was this barbaric crime committed in the first place. May their souls rest in peace and their parents bear their loss with great patienceRecommend

  • Anoop
    Aug 26, 2010 - 7:40PM

    @Bashy,

    The Pakistani nation was not this violent when it got separated from India. Over the years massive Islamization and brainwashing in schools and Madrassahs and even in media have made the populace more aggressive and violent.

    The trend is visible for all to see. I know you cannot generalize 150+ million people. But, you can certainly comment on the trend of violent behavior. As pointed out by everyone violent behavior exists everywhere. But, what we see is increase in this behavior in Pakistan. The tolerant and spiritual Sufism is giving way to the Wahhabi Ideology. I agree that majority still follow the non-violent strain of Islam. But, the ones who dont are very aggressive and more often than not tend to have their way in Pakistan.

    Look at the way Ahmadis are institutionally discriminated upon. You say you live in Denmark then you must obviously posses a Pakistani passport. Then, in that case, you must have signed this piece of bigoted document.

    http://changinguppakistan.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/picture-2.png

    When educated people like you ignore such hypocrisy and intolerance and claim that everything is hunky dory it starts a process of ignorance. I bet you must have signed that document without thinking twice.

    Its people like you who have contributed to what Pakistan has become. I am pretty sure Denmark is going to be your home of choice for a long long time. Just a hunch. Pakistani grass seems greener from Denmark.Recommend

  • Najeeb
    Aug 26, 2010 - 7:45PM

    Well said. We have certainly failed as humans. I did not have the courage to see the video myself but from what I hear it is bound to haunt people for a long time. This incidence is a reflection of the “not so hidden” brutal animal beneath the veneer of a human…Recommend

  • Sabiha Alwy
    Aug 26, 2010 - 7:51PM

    seems like the entire nation is plagued by shame,guilt and condemnation,a word of caution here, these factors can become main reasons for escapism, self destruction and self punishment.Recommend

  • Meh
    Aug 26, 2010 - 8:02PM

    This act is not new for Ahmadis and other minority groups,Recommend

  • shaista meraj
    Aug 26, 2010 - 8:24PM

    Very well written Fasi Zaka

    And I agree with the views of people on this forum, that a lot of crimes are happening by using excuses like; protecting the religion, saving the family honour and so on.
    After having lived abroad for good few years I have realised that a country that claims to be an Islamic state is quite un-islamic in countless ways. There is so much corruption right to the core and this delusional “sense of moral superiority” has engulfed the majority; with no tolerance for those not sharing the same religious views or geographical location.

    I do feel utterly ashamed of being related to a country breeding hordes of blood thirsty mobs with no law and order. But I still don’t agree with labelling the whole nation as one. There are most certainly good people out there.

    And where do we go from here…..

    The discussion on this forum is good with some people trying to define steps towards bringing a change. However the message needs to be conveyed to every day’s person who in majority of the cases can not even read. Recommend

  • M Wasim Tariq Khan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 8:57PM

    Dear Educated
    What happened to the two boys was barbaric inhumane and unacceptable.However what you wrote for Pakistanies i totally disagree with.How the hell can you generalize my nation, my people like that.Is it just to get recognition for this article so that this article can be discussed in western media because this is the trend the more you defame Pakistan and Pakistanies these days the more fame and recognition you get because the western media is looking for such stuff.You might be a cockroach and the people who carried out this task are but certainly not all Pakistanies.Who is carrying out the greatest flood relief efforts in Pakistan when the world has turned their back on us by making an excuse that the government is corrupt? it is these Pakistanis who are upfront with with finances their wealth their time and their lives to protect the millions.Who was it to start the relief effort when the earth quake came.Regarding the visa point you raised it might be you and I who have to face such problems 96% of the population doesn’t even have the finances to make a passport let alone apply for a visa.This just shows where you come from the elite the fed the cockroaches.See how generalizing hurts your father might be a very honest man you your self are a hard working man earning your honest living and when i generalize you with the rick cockroaches if might hurt you real bad right?So please bring the issues forwards we need to work on them but do not generlize do do not call your own cockroaches, when the whole world is against us when they conspire against us because we are a Nuclear Muslim Nation which they cannot tolerate.Recommend

  • Shaheen
    Aug 26, 2010 - 9:07PM

    Plz see a blogger’s reaction regarding this column: http://bit.ly/9fhUNtRecommend

  • Aug 26, 2010 - 10:21PM

    I wonder:

    i) Am I exempt from this label of a roach because I’ve been living abroad for the last 6 years? And, might I add, legally all the way through?
    ii) If Yes to (i), then does that make me any less Pakistani? Much as I’d like that to be true on a technicality (i.e. immigration issues, for the most part) My lot in life (pre-ordained, or coincidental, you can pick the nomenclature as it suits your beliefs) has made that choice for me.
    iii)As I haven’t INDIVIDUALLY chosen to be a Pakistani, is it not improper that I, through no fault, action or positive inaction of my own, have to bear the brunt of being told I am a most base and vile creature? Fortunately for me, the Home Office and the Department of Homeland Security disagree with your analysis, Fasi.
    iv) You’re right. Pakistanis DO think they’re morally superior. Or wait, let me speak on my own behalf, as, you know, I’m not a cockroach (a personal assessment validated by the Home Office and DHS, undoubtedly for your satisfaction) and I have to stand up for myself. I think I’m morally superior. Nay, I AM most definitely morally superior, and I can say this with a clear conscience, and without a sense of elitism, because I’m pretty okay with people not believing the same things as I believe. I may disagree with your beliefs, and may bear hope to convince you otherwise (if the matter is truly pressing) but I will not refuse you the right to have that belief. Unfortunately, that isn’t the “moral superiority” on display in Pakistani circles, is it? I don’t know what yardstick you’ve employed to determine their morality (surely there must be a standardized scale of morality one can avail?) but it falls FAR short of mine, and (honestly) I am no pinnacle of Kantian morality.

    as somewhat of a post-script, I’m going to stick my neck out on the altar and say: People who are trying time and again to implicate Islam in ANY way, be it as part of the problem, or part of the solution, really need to stop. It does not matter whether Islam (or, as someone took pains to say in one of the comments, “Muslims”) was (or were) the source of these problems; the more pressing issue is that these problems EXIST, and a solution is required. In turn, this doesn’t mean that we turn to God and ask him to make a difference. Make YOUR OWN differences. God (If you believe in Him) has given as the tools with which to implement changes, and we (or you, said the Expatriate…) have to take matters into our (your) own hands. For once, create an initiave, or seize one if it’s the carrot to your proverbial donkey.Recommend

  • Aug 26, 2010 - 10:30PM

    As a post-post-script, I’d like to quote (oh no, here come the xenophobes) Churchill. Though the context is not exactly the same, the basic precept still applies:

    “it may be that the human race is doomed, never to learn from its mistakes. We are the only animals on this globe who periodically set out to slaughter each other for the best, the noblest, the most inescapable of reasons. We know better. But we do it again and again in generation after generation. It may be that our empire, too, is doomed — like all those that have gone before it — to continue to spew and waste its best blood on every soil, no matter what we say or do in this place, or think, or believe, or have learned from history.

    But, thank God for us, there is still such a thing as moral force.”

    As a post-post-post-script, (and I promise this’ll be the last one…) I must say I am dismayed at how people attribute the Quake and the Flood to God. If there ever was an indicator of elitism, it is the assumption that our entire society is set in sin. Unfortunately for us and our high-lofted ambitions, most of the people who ARE suffering in this crisis and have suffered before were people who have very little to do with the sin and the debauchery of our society. If there is anything you want to attribute to God, thank him for his Grace, in sparing you/me/us from the same fate the poor people of KPK and Sindh are facing right now. If you must attribute the tragedies to something, please let it be poor infrastructure, and a lack of a system of checks and balances for possible natural disasters.

    (As a post-post-post-post-script, and I’m sorry I lied, I’m just going to state that my parenthophile sensibilities dictate that I not apologize for my heavy usage of the Shift key in conjunction with the 9 and 0 keys. I will not apologize for art.)Recommend

  • Sameen
    Aug 26, 2010 - 10:35PM

    I am really tired of reading about how Pakistan is a failing state, how its people are failures or whatever variation thereof. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and for this country and stop trying to get people’s attention to your article it is by using the word ‘cockroaches’ in the headline.

    What happened in Sialkot was horrible. And it happens a lot more than any of us know. And yes, the upper/middle class is immune and hypocritical. How does writing sensationalist articles change that?

    You can do more to prevent such things/get justice/fix the mindset of people by working to educate – the right KIND of education – than by writing and posting sensationalist articles that go nowhere. There are things you can do/say/write/promote that will ACTUALLY help people in this country and change the mindsets being written about in such sensationalist terms.Recommend

  • Aug 26, 2010 - 10:36PM

    Okay, this is simply a gripe with The Comments form, so heads up to you web-moderators…Why does my city always change to Sialkot, regardless of whether I set it as London, Lahore, or London/Lahore?Recommend

  • Bolongo katayama
    Aug 26, 2010 - 11:00PM

    Truly, ‘The Retchings of Disgust!’.

    Whenever I hear such inhuman human treatment of other human-beings, couple of questions haunt me again and again.

    Firstly,’Are humans predisposed to such bestiality?’ Acts like massacres, ethnic cleansing, wars, suicide bombings……

    Secondly, ‘If such acts of barbarity are so heinous (obviously no moral doctor or prophet needed for dissertation in that regard)then why ‘we’ approve them in movies?’ This kind of moral dichotomy is prevalent in all our societies. Why don’t we see such sessions of media outburst when e.g, Uma therman maims countless in the name of revenge or govinda/salman-khan/sultan-rahi orchestrate such staged bloody revenge drama with dumb viewers appreciating the noble exercise of cleansing! Recommend

  • Bushra Aimal
    Aug 26, 2010 - 11:07PM

    We revel in carnage,and thrive on misery.Retrain is not a forte,and the macabre is most alluring.I wonder which genre of life we need to subscribe to!It is time we stop naming the society in general,and rooting out each nefarious element one by one.It might take a million life-times,but in the end decency shall prevail.Earnest efforts should be taken to cultivate basic goodness,trust and empathy in our people.We need,once again,to believe that honesty and piety are not vulgar.Recommend

  • Javeria
    Aug 26, 2010 - 11:17PM

    Totally agreed with you there Fasi. But i have a request. It would be so good if you could share these thoughts in a local paper in a language more pakistanis understand and can read. I saw an interview of the boys ‘ mother and she seemed so sabir but offcourse very very angry inside. and it’s totally understandable if she would want revenge in the same way as the guilt at this time when the anger is at the peak. but may be she’ll read what you write and may be other family members will read and agree at some point. i share the same thoughts but i’m not so good with words and i have noticed that you certainly are.Recommend

  • Shandana Khan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 11:18PM

    Only if this article and many like this could be published in Urdu Newspapers around the country …. Shame should be smeared on all our faces …. This nation deserves to be wiped out from the face of the planet …. ! rebirth !!! we need a rebirth .. . a new history … a new future ! We don’t need a leader anymore…. We all know where to lead ! Recommend

  • Aisha
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:02AM

    Interesting comments.
    If any one of you are interested in a viable solution, here it is:
    -Get out of your houses and long march all the way up to Islamabad and if you want to punish “dacoits” out of frustration, start with zaradari and work all the way down till you remove each and every turd sitting in the federal / provincial / municipal and even at the tribal level. Why are these innocent sialkoti boys attached? Why cant these illiterate haraamis attack the real dacoits.
    Awam can do anything. Babaji was right “sab ek ek joota utha lein aur yeh sab khud hi dar ke bhaag jayenge”
    Nations all over the world protest against “wrong” whether that be the recent Greek protests, French protests or the Long March that brought Mao Zedong into power (look at China today). But if the awam wants to sit and watch the show then enjoy it for all I care!
    Our country is famous for uplifting “the wrong” and steam-rolling “the right”. Look at Imran Khan, the one tiny ray of hope left for PK and not one of you mentioned voting for him or devising a strategy to bring him into power. Yes votes are rigged, yes the ghareeb awam sell their votes for food / survival but what about you (the upper, middle, educated) class living in PK? Zaradari aise nahi jaane wala (he has a good 2 years left in his term). We have to bring him down and bring in a “good” leader then only can the rest of the problems be addressed. No law no change and most importantly no pain no gain!Recommend

  • Hamza U F
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:17AM

    100% agreed!!! a very much needed and a very much belated eye opener!! i think you nailed it here “There is such a sense of sickening moral superiority in Pakistanis, it needs to be addressed. All we care about is foreign policy, eager to point out the hypocrisies of the world, silent on our domestic, or even local life.”. Most people in Pakistan would abuse, taunt, bash and ridicule almost anything or anyone as long as it shift focus from us and what goes on hear, in our daily lives. We delude ourselves to believe that we are a national which is developing but we are not! we are very much stagnant! and more than happy about it! Change will only come when we ca sort the difference between what we think is right and what is right !!!! Thank you once again!Recommend

  • Fatima
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:22AM

    I too condemn the act of voilence that took place in sialkot and the many that have been taking place before that. We do have a sense of moral superiority and yes we do consider our selves the torch bearers for islam. There are conspiracy theories against practically all minorities may they be jews, christians or hindus or even shias and other islamic groups. Said that, i dont think we can paint the whole nation with a single stroke because there is also plenty of good that is going on in our society unfortunatly it is not shown as much in the main stream media. In addition, a lot of the things that have been going on are a result of the frustration that the people feel with the law and goverment and hence they have started taking the law in their own hands. Recommend

  • Ambreen
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:29AM

    hey writer u show the same type of negative mental setup as we saw in the mob of the sialkot incident, so much hatred for your nation and with yourself, tat u dont hesitate in labelling yourselves as cockroaches! wat a shame! not all ppl r same, there r numerous crimes we see and read in the west of hideous nature, but never whole nation is blamed for any one case; tat is the biggest drawback of our nation, we r so complexed, if something goes wrong we cant see anything good among us,such negativity and criticism is only leading us to deterioration and nothing good is coming out of it… plz show some positivity like how pakistanis r helping everywhere for the flood effected ppl……yes we do need to reflect on ourselves, but not only on the negative aspects but also on some positive sides among us too, especialy in these difficut times, if we want to keep our nation sane we need to show them some good things about themselves too..Recommend

  • Hmmal
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:37AM

    Though, we all know that there something is wide of the mark in our society, something is frustrating this society, and we don’t dare to find a clear vision for us, a path to that vision, no matter how hard-hitting hurdles, that could lead us to there without human intervention but we all know it is erroneous, and despite being affected by the pain in the neck, we still argue it is a problem-can anyone outline how to cope with it up?Recommend

  • Syed Anser Imam
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:42AM

    I am not gonna buy this article. It contains abundance of negativity. Everyone is angry and sad after seeing this inhuman action and ur just presenting the same with exaggeration. Good n Bad people are everywhere n in very country but it doesn’t mean we start saying this piece of world a FAIL STATE… sad to hear this type of words from such literate person like u Mr. Zaka.Recommend

  • Junaid
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:45AM

    Well I agree to most of the idea, but be it any part of the world people do stand there and watch when it comes to risking their lives very few really want to do that. It’s, well, sad that it was a big crowd yet nobody really had conscience. It could be worse here in Pakistan but my point is the idea of “standing there and watching” is not just here I do not understand how people can stay at the scene and watch a child suffer or another grown up while I can’t stay there and see it happening.Recommend

  • Anas Ali
    Aug 27, 2010 - 1:09AM

    I completely agree with Ayesha Ijaz Khan we should not put each and every Pakistani in the same place, although it is a real shame of what went on in Sailkot and worth of denouncement, but to categorize every one in the same picture is wrong there is a huge presence of good people in Pakistan why should they be subjected to that as well. There is no doubt that there is a growing frustration within the Pakistani’s and if we are to change this frustrations into a ray of hope we need a major change in the mindset of the entire nation, example being bringing in a revolution sounds easy but we need it to remove these land grabbing Jageerdars, who have seriously damaged Pakistan through their ways both on the people of Pakistan and Pakistan itself major example being the foolds which were re-routed to the lands in order to save their own. Recommend

  • Aug 27, 2010 - 1:23AM

    Mr. Fasi Zaka in his mail to me have very kindly explained that his article; Pakistan’s human cockroaches was written in a state of great anger and frustration following the barbaric slaughtering of two innocent young students in Sialkot. In his own words, he wrote that he loves Pakistan and its people but felt that some self flagellation was in order.
    For me this response and realization is good enough. But the sad part is that most commentators, who supported Mr. Zaka, missed his anti-violence central point and misused his article to express their own demeaning and childish views against Pakistan and Pakistani nation, Few even went so far as to question the existence of Pakistan and asking India to take back the land.
    To such misguided and ignorant people, I can only say; So move to India and leave the 180 million Pakistanis to sort out their affairs. Pakistan is a reality and with all its weaknesses and shortcomings, it has moved leaps and bounds since 1947. I can see from their writings that many commentators have no idea, in which difficult circumstances, Pakistan came in to being and what kind of hardships, the nation had to undergo to reach, where it is.
    It is also heartening that all commentators were absolutely opposed to the idea of religious intolerance, ethnic extremism and settling the differences with blood and violence. But it is also important that the critical voices are constructive, visionary and solution oriented. Just using derogatory language, silly terminology and generalizing opinion about Pakistan and Pakistanis would not set the record straight or put the country on the path of progress.
    So let us discuss, what kind of Pakistan, we want and how it can be achieved. Make a list of tangible, practical and easy to implement proposals and let Zaka send it to the Prime Minster and the opposition leaders. It can be done in a blog or an open letter to the authorities.

    Now, I wish to answer two terrible comments, which were directed towards my person and Pakistan.
    First Mr. Anoop’s comment that; “The Pakistani nation was not this violent when it got separated from India, the tolerant and spiritual Sufism is giving way to the Wahhabi Ideology, the very aggressive more often than not tend to have their way in Pakistan, that I must obviously posses a Pakistani passport and that I must have signed a piece of bigoted document. Mr. Annop then goes on to say that when educated people like me ignore such hypocrisy and intolerance and claim that everything is hunky dory it starts a process of ignorance and it is people like me who have contributed to what Pakistan has become.

    To this, I can simply say that Pakistani nation was very peaceful and non-violent until Afghan war of 80ies. It is only after Soviets were defeated and USA left Pakistan hanging dry, the gun culture took hold there. Most Pakistanis still adhere to Sufi way of living. No Mr. Anoop, I do not posses Pakistani passport and I could not imagine to sign any bigoted document. The mere fact that you are expressing all these false suppositions about me, without knowing me or my political work, shows your own prejudices about Pakistan and Pakistanis.
    The same goes for Haris Chaudhry who say that how can I love Pakistan if I have changed my name from Bashir to Bashy. Bashir or Bashy are not Pakisy´tani names but have roots in Arabic word; Bashar, meaning human being. Bashy in Arabic means the good news from heavens.
    Mr. Chaudhry, you are dead wrong when you say that; “It is not the conduct of those that live in the country peacefully but those that are blood thirsty and violent that makes a nation like us deserving of its reputation.” This is a media argument and not a normal description. Why should few extremists be given so much credit to malign Pakistan’s reputation. Pakistan belongs to 180 million, hard working and decent people and not bloodthirsty few. If we use your strange argument to describe a country, then Congo, Columbia, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Mexico and even USA as well as many other countries in the world are much more violent than Pakistan. Look at UN statistic and you would be surprised.
    Calling Pakistan a failed state, failed people and nauseatingly delusional people is the most bigoted statement, I have heard. You do not even know the criteria of a failed state. If you insist on calling yourself, “rotten cockroach ”, be my guest, but please do not count all Pakistanis, including many of my family members in this stupid category. Please do not repeat, what anti-Pakistan Indian lobby and American neo-cons, Islam bashers want the world to believe. It is a shame that your views about Pakistan fit right in with those who hate the idea of Pakistan.
    Kind regards
    Bashy Quraihsy
    PS: This is my last comment on nthis thread.Recommend

  • Sidrah Siddiqui
    Aug 27, 2010 - 1:43AM

    I think, he has been harsh in his comments, but right to some degree too. The only difference in the end to be made is by the people and their reawakened conscious, if any.Recommend

  • Khola minhas
    Aug 27, 2010 - 2:28AM

    I completely agreed with this artcle.
    Unfortunatly we are failed to proove ourselves as a civilized nation.Now we have experienced the height of brutality & insensitivity.But the fact is we all are immune to such acts!
    Who will wake us up? If we as a nation don’t get a grip now then we all are drowning in ignorance.Our government has been a complete embarrassement to this nation as well as the world.We all should stop whinning now and do something productive to make a difference.Recommend

  • Shocked
    Aug 27, 2010 - 3:13AM

    What was really shocking was, that the mother of the two boys in one of her interviews was saying that she’s happy that she’s returned Allah’s Amanat back to Him, and that Alaah will take care of the boys much better than she can, as he loves them 70 times more. Recommend

  • waqar
    Aug 27, 2010 - 3:31AM

    this article is highly passimistic.. while the incident in sialkot was undoubtly inhumaine, it can not be taken as a representation for the pakistani people is general. It would probably be similar to suggesting that all americans are rednecks or all the english are BNP skin heads, which is ofcourse not the case.I would have understood, had this article come from a forigner but it is a real shame to hear a pakistani losing faith in 140 million people, due to to one incident, which is indeed shameful and embarrasing indeed for the whole cuntry… but now is not the time for passimisn , its time for reforms, let those innocent deaths be a catalyst for change, not an issue for media to spread negativityRecommend

  • Omair Shakil
    Aug 27, 2010 - 4:11AM

    Mr Zaka, you seem to have too much hatred in you for your own (or for your country’s)good. And you went a little overboard here. While Pakistan has its share of problems, including the self-destructive tendencies of some of its people, you are no moral authority to brand us all as animals. There are a lot of people working hard to make lives easier and better for themselves and for others. Why couldn’t you celebrate the good that you DO have so people can emulate it? Instead of spewing hate, why don’t you choose to motivate people, which is perhaps the single most important role a writer such as you can play?Recommend

  • Mudassir
    Aug 27, 2010 - 4:58AM

    As mentioned by Mr. Fasi, thanking the corupt politions and generals, who have been bethoved upon us by the Raj, and the Brown sahibs (mini dictators) continues to rule for 63 years, BUT even if someone from the middle class or lower has managed to penertrate the barriers, they have eventually managed to be one of the bigger deamons. And this is mostly the case with our bureaucrates who sometimes manage out of their humble background to be in position of some power, and just start doing what everyone does.

    Whatever the conspiracy theorists do is obvious. But why the people divide amongst all the theorists? I feel it is the tinniest hope alive in the nation, which these theorists exploit to advantage of their theories. And soon this tiniest sense of hope for a change or revival of good times (if there were any) will fade away. For some reason I feel you brought the true face of our nation to surface in your article, you offer a blurry way forward. I feel still a lot of people exist who condemn death of any kind for anyone. And quite a few raise their voice to condemn death of any kind to anyone. This seems to have no effect on the mess we are living in. Otherwise it is just another hue and cry. Nothing else.Recommend

  • Jay Khan
    Aug 27, 2010 - 5:04AM

    I agree with some of the comments but to state that they are failed people well that maybe the case but not for all and its unfair!! If pakistan has failed people then would it not be the case to let them be and ignore this henious act that was committed? I am a british born and do not agree with the mentality of many Pakistanis from pakistan but that does not suggest that i paint them all with the same brush because other then the coward crowd watching the death of two brothers, there are many others in parts of pakistan who are working hard, to bring their families up to make an honest living, to do what they can to survive without being in the shadow of the corrupted politicians.
    Dont blame the people and the county for the evil act of some, they do not represent what pakistan can be, just like in uk when a 9 year old was raped and killed by a 39 year old man whist she was walking on her way home, he may have been on his own, but there are countless crimes in every country that are never mentioned enough, it dont make UK residents as failed people to be living amongst such a sick man, does it?
    Blame the people of pakistan but i dont think they need to know there ABC to be good moral human beings, its unfortunate that some people have a set mind and some just dont care about human life or injustice.
    I am tired of people blaming a country for being a sick nation if that is that case, then i can think of a few other countries. Justice is what is needed for the two brothers, and death would be to easy for the ones that committed the crime. Paksitan should stand up and face the problem, rather then always being a second state, its worth much more time they proved that.Recommend

  • ally D
    Aug 27, 2010 - 5:20AM

    mr zaka, the fact that a man of your abilities and influence amongst the youth has the audacity to call his fellow nationals cochroaches and scum goes to show our depreciation as a nation.

    and i refuse to let such cras language crush any hope that i have for our ppl.

    talk about mass generalisation!Recommend

  • Raza
    Aug 27, 2010 - 5:32AM

    Mr Educated Fasi,
    Bravo, exactly an article that would be praised in westren media. There is no one power center but two. Your article has just no focus. It is a about a social dilema but for some reason you bring in your pseudo anti theorists believes here. It was an ill incident, so where did the floding came in and from where did the theorists with Islamic solutions jumped in. Reality is You are just .. offed with a little too many things. Thank you very much, but your ideas are just full of keena and bughus. At back of your head, your mind is full of intellectual arogance and you DO WANT more attension certainly then those theorists want. Hope is alive. Nations raise from down times to up times.And so will the resiliant nation of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Ali Kazmi
    Aug 27, 2010 - 5:47AM

    initially i felt sorry for everyone including these brothers then the flood victims but for past few days i’ve been thinking what else were we expecting out of a country where people were fighting over every inch of water exactly 2 weeks prior to the floods. n the same people criticizing the police for not doing justice to criminals since terrorists and criminals easily get bailed out from the courts due to very obvious reasons.the problem lies in the system because no matter what ever justification we come up with there is no possibility where all human beings in a society can act perfect without having rules and restrictions n some direction in their lives. that is only possible if we can finally come up with a system that is above everything n that is possible through institutions not the ones that we have and not the one that are formulated through committees presided by some mna for eg.n then these institutions should act independently with a young workforce and admin who without any bias can address core issues and makes sure that steps are taken that are important for our country. i dont remember any country allowing people to play their petty politics over plans and projects that a country needs to survive such as kalabagh. this is the only way in my view that may be we can achieve something and have a proper system after 60 yrs at least.Recommend

  • SD
    Aug 27, 2010 - 6:06AM

    Thanx fasiRecommend

  • Omar
    Aug 27, 2010 - 6:33AM

    Do blame sialkot. We need someone with shoot on sight orders for people like these. The only effective method of educating our nation is by force.Recommend

  • Ammar Akhlaq
    Aug 27, 2010 - 7:07AM

    Fasi you talk so comfortably of superiority/inferiority complexes, while your entire article reeks of ethnocentricism. Furthermore, I disagree to your conclusive remarks completely because you are latently implying that capital punishment is unjust and that means you do not think that the wrongdoers in this specific case should be dealt with in the harshest of ways (i.e. death). What happened with those kids was not a crime but a sin, a collective sin of the most deviant proportions conceivable. Thus rationally,(if not emotionally) all people involved should Die because negative reinforcement through coercive measures is the only language that transcends ALL boundaries and gets the clearest message across to all demographics. Period!

    HAND FOR A HAND, LIMB FOR A LIMB, LIFE FOR A LIFE!!! savvy?Recommend

  • Natasha Ejaz
    Aug 27, 2010 - 7:12AM

    I second the gentlemen demanding an Urdu translation of this. Recommend

  • Anon
    Aug 27, 2010 - 7:13AM

    I agree with Saleem H. Ali – it’s unfair to write off the entire Pakistani public. Yes, a great deal of us may be indifferent, uncouth individuals, but not all of us are. I commend you on your courage and the passion with which you wrote this article: thank you.Recommend

  • Nadia
    Aug 27, 2010 - 8:32AM

    Bashy Qruaishu says
    “To this, I can simply say that Pakistani nation was very peaceful and non-violent until Afghan war of 80ies” ..hmmm, What about 1971? Forget about it? Pakistani nation was NON-VIOLENT? Pak army committed one of the worst genocide of human history in East Pakistan with the full approval of the Mr Bhuuto, the elected representative from West Pakistan. People of Pakistan know nothing about it?Recommend

  • Ali
    Aug 27, 2010 - 9:21AM

    Rodney King riots in America in which a truck driver was beaten to near death, slaughter in Serbia, massacre of Muslims in Indian Gujrat, mass killing in Africa, murder of Shias in Iraq by Saddam, German holocaust of jews – let us pit things in perspective.Recommend

  • xyz
    Aug 27, 2010 - 9:30AM

    Absolutely!!! You’ve managed to express the sentiments of a large silent majority, who seem to be struggling with their blind patriotism and dealing with the constant degradation of our society. Hats off to you Fasi.Recommend

  • Javed
    Aug 27, 2010 - 10:37AM

    Gave a good idea of a new sport or new type of entertainment as all other types are boring i.e. Pictures halls are out, TV is idiot box drama halls are no go. This blood warming live sport cum entertainment Gives you instant live coverage & the victims family gets photo sessions with VIPsRecommend

  • Sunny
    Aug 27, 2010 - 10:50AM

    actually we are physiologically ill, there is no patience left in us. terrorism, electricity, and many other things have mentally killed this nation, this nation have never saw a good year in which they could think for there future every year something terrible happens, i am 24 years old, every month\year i hear something which blows up my mind, lal masjid, Judiciary crieses, wheat crises, in this 45C heat what will happens when there is no electricity at your home for 6 hours daily, i am not talking about Rich people who can afford to go to abroad or have generators but i am talking about those poor and common peoples of Pakistan who are having terrible day to day problems.. there are no patience left in them.. they will even drink your blood they are on such a stage now.. there was a news in Sunday’s new paper.. two friends have cut one of there fiend in 3 pieces in the jungle because some Alam told them if you did that you will capture 100 jinats they will do what ever you want. they were extremely poor and they did it…killed there friend….Recommend

  • Aug 27, 2010 - 12:00PM

    I agree what happened in Sialkot was an incident that no one would want to see or repeat but I do not agree with the conclusions reached at about the nation and country and am dismayed with all who have agreed with this conclusion reached by the writer. We, the educated will have to raise our voices and not sit in our comforts and preach. Like the old and grey wise man Ardeshir Cowasjee said – ” only education …….and it will take 15 yrs if we start today.” We, have as a nation moved away from the most important pillar of our religion – speak the truth. The day we latch on to this – things will start changing. Try it !

    This country has given us an identity and we are responsible to improve it or let it be given in the hands of people who will destroy it. Speak, write and vilify such people but not this nation.Recommend

  • Aug 27, 2010 - 12:14PM

    My All Friends on this Forum: In the name of Freedom of Expression, Especially those so calling themselves Pakistanis but have gone really too far out of proportion in support of writer’s point of view and in their own derogatery slurs and insulting remarks about Pakistan and her people. You all must always keep this in mind that one day you have to go over to lick what you discard. I am afraid i am equally not free from bittereness myself on the subject and the things about our own country that i sometime wake in the midnight and swaet to think of. Nodoubt we have all the right to be happy with our own art of word crafting but we have no right to shed hate and cause despair for people already living in a state of constant total amazement.To protect yourself from endangered species you have no right to become the one. My dear Friends, Remember when the game of chess is over the King and Pawns, the Queen and the Knights all roll up in the same box. The personl intellect, education and awareness if you have attained any is there for you to be in Love with Vision and working to Solve rather than spearing pinchs of salt on wounds of others.If this whole nation you all think is of Cockroaches and Scumms Who and Waht do you think you are? Recommend

  • dr zahra
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:36PM

    Assalam-o-alaikum brother :)….well said but i m really getting sick of all the articles calling all pakistanis brutal, sick mentally retard…i m not one of em yeah but its juz that i was born here…the country is lucky enough to have ppl like me too who do believe on human rights…i demand equal respect and rights from the world…its juz that i was born on this part of globe where the ppl like me might be few but we do exist:)
    peace Recommend

  • Minaal Khawaja
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:42PM

    Wow dude this is good stuff! I couldn’t agree more!Recommend

  • dr zahra
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:43PM

    sorry to interrupt u guys again … i do believe that sialkot incident must be condemned as much as it can be but what about the ppl who drowned due to corrupt bureaucrats made floods:(…..no video was made no voice raised…i believe they are equal victims of this corrupt system:( unlucky citizens of an unlucky state governed by very lucky bureaucrats :(Recommend

  • I.S
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:46PM

    I completely agree with you Fasi. We should better come out of our sickening sense of moral superiority. we are a nation that finds excuse for every bad happening and quickly blames foreign forces or some religious minorities for a conspiracy against Islam or Pakistan, while the truth is that we are not ready to face the bitter reality of being a failed nation. we love to romanticize our past, we love to take pride in things that when looked closely, are just futile and stupid. As a nation, we have nothing to be proud of. I am ashamed of being a Pakistani! Recommend

  • Shabbir
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:50PM

    Pakistan now has become a forest to survive with nothing, I watch this survival show where a man goes in the wild with nothing and tries to come out alive, Pakistan has become that kind of location, where everyone feels they need to survive and in that sense of mind, if have to kil to survive u will, if have to feed ur family to sacrifice anothers u will, they know there is so much corupption at all levels and only way to be alive is to take part in it. Sad so so sad, I miss my sohni Dharti. oh please Allah Rakhay…………….Recommend

  • rabbya
    Aug 27, 2010 - 1:36PM

    we need to start taking responsibility for our actions and quit the blame game. “No villains no victimsRecommend

  • Naureen
    Aug 27, 2010 - 2:07PM

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts….

    I have no words what to say or what not to, but we as a nation should wake up now or never…. Either we can turn the tragedy that the nation is facing these days into an opportunity or in curse, Choice is ours… We have been grown up witnessing such act of brutality all around us all the time, and now we are so used to of such inhuman and brutal act that we have lost the sense of feeling among ourselves…sad is the the middle class of this nation has turned into a coward being who hide in their shells when ever they see any enemy approaching them… What are we waiting for, we are not going to get any Gennie to come and help us…. as “Khuda ne aaj tak us qaum ki haalat nahi badli, na ho hosh jisay khud apni halat k badalnay ka….. ”

    Always in the history of nations, Middle class has high stake in bringing any revolution, Now either we can stand for our pride, our esteems, our people, our nation or we can chose to be submissive to these corrupt leaders. But an educated Nation, educated class of this nation should understand that we have no rights to complain against these corrupt people, corrupt leader, corrupt democracy if we don’t have a courage to stand up and raise our voice for ourselves..Recommend

  • Shahbanoo Amer
    Aug 27, 2010 - 2:25PM

    To the writer of the article:
    The issue is not at all the controversy between support for death penalty or otherwise. The issue at hand is dissolution of state and law and order which is creeping around us. That is how civil wars start. Check the history. We are no more a nation. Multiple dictatorships and traumas and infusions of hatred to our society plus drug money and corruption have left us a psychologically imbalanced society. I am not sure if you are entitled to make decision on behalf of the parents of tortured souls, since they might well be demanding “Qisas” which in Islam is the way. But I agree with you on one account, we are not a cultured people. Infact we are bordering on barbarism, pickup a newspaper and all you see is murder, terror, kidnapping, target killing, child abuse, rapes and drug dealings. You pick up a newspaper from Turkey, Switzerland or even Bangladesh and the story is completely different. Recommend

  • Siddiqui
    Aug 27, 2010 - 3:03PM

    During the hurrican katrina detruction in New Orleans, a 7 year old girl was raped by an Adult american (and this is just one of many examples i can quote). Does that mean that all americans are cockroaches and fences should be built around USA to protect the world against americans?

    By all means show anger and revulsion at this barbarism as this is what we need to ensure that this happens never ever again. But don’t take it to illogical levels of national self-loathing. Recommend

  • amir saulat jafri
    Aug 27, 2010 - 3:28PM

    **The writer’s self-loathing reflects nothing but his mindset. His article is no less sensational and shocking than the gruesome happening itself.
    It is big news simply because mob-lynchings are not a cultural phenomenon in the eastern civilizations..even today.
    An Overwhelming majority of Pakistanis are God-fearing muslims. The real curse on Pakistan is the, westoxicated, so-called elite. It is the “Officer” class living in “Offence” colonies; the military, and the bureaucracy. The biggest feudal is the military-bureaucracy nexus…not the rural jageerdaar or the businessman.Recommend

  • azgar
    Aug 27, 2010 - 3:43PM

    Pakistanis R cockroaches indeed!Recommend

  • JUGNU SHARMA
    Aug 27, 2010 - 3:54PM

    No need to cry over spilled milk now but speak up always against such a horrefic evil act.Punish the culprits.Let the Law take the responsibility of punishing the criminals.Keep voicing up against the unjustice.
    I am sure this article will help to create a better understanding amongst the masses :)Recommend

  • Aug 27, 2010 - 3:56PM

    H’lo! Those boys were criminals. There are less angry mobs killing innocent people and more teenagers on bikes with guns to believe it.Recommend

  • Aug 27, 2010 - 5:13PM

    Kudos to the author. This article should be lead people towards humanity and bring peace and happiness to everyone. Best wishesRecommend

  • Shehriyar Khan
    Aug 27, 2010 - 5:36PM

    Well, this story has gone a bit too far. I was also really devastated by the events of Sialkot and I’m sure there are many such other events that are not captured by the camera. But we should also look at the fact, that our people have a heart left in them. The recent floods have been labelled as the worst floods ever in the history, and still we are all coping up with it and helping our people in distress. The IDP crises that displaced more than 2 million people were warmly welcomed by the people of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Displacement of people on such a massive scale, for example in some of the countries of Africa, have destroyed those countries and they have not been able to come back to their original state. We won’t go into the details of who and why the IDP crises was created but I’m just saying that we as a nation have lots left in us.

    Such events occur in many other countries but we are highlighting them. Instead of highlighting, it should be left upto the state to take care of the matter, instead of saying that all the culprits should be hanged to death.

    In then end, I would just say that instead of criticizing everything, the writer should come up and make a change to his home country. It’s very easy to criticize from the comfort of your sofa, laptop connected to the wifi and food being served to you on the table. Recommend

  • Aug 27, 2010 - 6:06PM

    Your message was pointed out to our forum by a compatriot of yours. Alas, would it be that Pakistan alone had this problem. But no, the U.S. and most all nations of the world wallow in their own arrogance and ignorance, while quoting and admiring prophets and poets who speak of world peace and equal justice. Hypocrisy is rampant throughout the world. Keep speaking the truth. You are not alone.Recommend

  • Ahmad
    Aug 27, 2010 - 6:21PM

    I must say this is the nearest anyone has gotten to the reality after the inhumane killings. I agree that the self-reflection is most one can ask for. Even though I am thousand of miles away from my home land I truly feel like the rest of the nation. I truly hope that this woeful incident can help us redeem even a bit of ourselves.Recommend

  • Aug 27, 2010 - 7:09PM

    I am a Pakistani and I do not believe Jews are the scum of the earth
    I do not believe all Ahmadis deserve to die
    I do not think that Hindus are inferior
    I do not think the two boys were beaten rightlyRecommend

  • amir saulat jafri
    Aug 27, 2010 - 8:32PM

    Pakistan needs leaders who look, walk, and talk like MAULANA Abdul Sattar Edhi…not the jokers in suit and tie ( or t-shirts & jeans)..the westoxicated clones. All those who think that they are superior to the so called illiterate or uneducated Avaam of Pakistan ( the elitist anglo-slaves call them the Masses..ever seen this word used by any world writers for their own people?).

    Pakistan must must must rid itself, as Iran did, of its westoxicated class…the kalloo-colonialist living in COLONIES (like the “Offence” colonies or “Societies”) and not in Mohallas. Recommend

  • humah
    Aug 27, 2010 - 8:38PM

    After reading this article i had a strong advocate on my side, i was arguing with someone the other day who had the same steroetypical ideas about the situation in pakistan blaming every one else for the unrest. we are eager to blame on others on every thing that happens in pakistan. whenever some incident like this happens we get out from our holes for a while, comment, criticize, the government the authorities anyone we can lay our hands on just to satisfy our meagre selves that “we” hold a modicum of good when every one else is bad.. we need to get out from our holes, not like cockroaches, that come out in the dark and hide in the day not able to face the truth of our own selves in light..why do we need earthquakes and floods to realize where we are standing..Recommend

  • nida
    Aug 27, 2010 - 9:29PM

    well said brother…this is who we are…now i just dont want my self to be called as “pakistani”……Recommend

  • amber h
    Aug 27, 2010 - 9:43PM

    it is sad sad sad to hear you peopple say that you are ashamed to be pakistani.. i am assuming that by saying this you all mean to change this perception about yourselves and the other citizens by doing something , anything that can bring a change . this shame needs to be gone , and we must find out how !!! afterall we cant go on living a life of shame..now can we????Recommend

  • amir saulat jafri
    Aug 27, 2010 - 9:47PM

    Are these warning signs of a bloody revolution waiting in the wings?

    In the last 100 years, the world has seen the Russian, Chinese, Cuban and Iranian revolutions. A look at the causes of these revolutions and the crumbling of law enforcement systems shows that none of the conditions match our situation in entirety. However, this should be no consolation. No revolution is exactly the same. There are only some common elements. And the writing on the wall says that the common elements are on the increase in Pakistan.

    In Iran, the regime that the revolution overthrew was thought to be heavily protected by a lavishly financed army and security services. As one observer put it: “Few expected the regime of the Shah, which had international support and a modern army of 400,000, to crumble in the face of unarmed demonstrators within a matter of months.” The difference in Pakistan is that it is ‘police’ in the protective mode, not the army.

    Let us have a look at the analysis of the causes of ‘revolutions’ by historians.

    First, the Iranian Revolution. The Shah’s strong policy of westernisation and close identification with a western power resulted in a clash with Iran’s Shia Muslim identity. This included the use of large numbers of US military advisers and technicians and granting of diplomatic immunity from prosecution to them, all of which led nationalistic Iranians, both religious and secular, to consider him a puppet of the West.

    Does this appear familiar to our situation in some degree?

    Add to this extravagance, corruption and elitism (both real and perceived) of the Shah’s policies and of his royal court; bottlenecks, shortages and inflation and Shah’s overconfident neglect of governance; failure to prepare and train security forces for dealing with protests and demonstrations, and failure to use crowd control without excessive violence. The personalised nature of the Shah’s government necessitated the concentration of all powers in very few hands.

    In Pakistan’s context, the local governance has been disbanded and no government functionary can exercise his usual powers without reference to some big boss. There exists a personalised style of use of power by big bosses, like dictators.

    …Naeem Tahir, columnist Daily TimesRecommend

  • Aisha
    Aug 27, 2010 - 9:52PM

    Bravo Fasi. Your article is truly inspiring, introspective, candid, everything many of us were beginning to fear was completely lacking in ordinary Pakistanis after recent events. Finally, 60 years after the country was born, I think it may be getting ready to grow up. Recommend

  • Qurat
    Aug 27, 2010 - 9:53PM

    I agree with rest but what the hell you meant by this

    ”And please, no excuses, no excuses. Don’t give us that, “If only there was true Islam they would be better”. I think a thousand years is enough, we can’t wait longer. And there was no America in existence for most of that, or even western colonialism.”

    Of course we’ll say these people were illiterates in sense of civilization and Islamic beliefs too. And if they would be true believers they would have stopped this for some high values gained by ‘The fastest growing religion in the world’. People like you are so much influenced by western values that they feel inferior being muslim and being in a islamic country. People like you do not have any idea how brutal people could be here in the west. Hundreds of people are killed by these so called civilized westerners using horrible weapons like recently in Gaza you might have heard of white phosphorus attacks. What will you call them then. Recommend

  • MKB
    Aug 27, 2010 - 9:55PM

    If everyone is aware of what needs to be changed. Why isnt anything happening? I dont see a revolution taking place. Apparently everyone in Pakistan is content with what is happening or it could just be the fact that events like the one in Sialkot occur everyday but go unrecorded hence unreported that the people have lost all faith in each other. Its every man for himself. No sense of community/belonging.
    What Pakistan needs is a revolution by the people for the people. The elite are going to remain in power as long as the people let them.Recommend

  • Madiha
    Aug 27, 2010 - 9:56PM

    Sad but True ,very well written.Recommend

  • Sehrish
    Aug 27, 2010 - 9:59PM

    I don’t want to judge all of Pakistan as I have not lived there for several years, but my personal experiences with my close and distant family members completely agree with this article. I feel that my family lacks tolerance for other races and religions and possesses a sense of the “moral superiority” that the author discusses. I hope that people really start to self-reflect just like this author advises.. Recommend

  • Anoop
    Aug 27, 2010 - 10:17PM

    @Bashy Quraishy,

    “The mere fact that you are expressing all these false suppositions about me, without knowing me or my political work, shows your own prejudices about Pakistan and Pakistanis.”

    –> I agree I’ve wronged in assuming you were holding a Pakistani passport. Apart from that small error you have not disputed any of the things I’ve pointed to. And, I cannot see what I’ve said that is common knowledge and widely accepted as truth for you to brand me “prejudiced about Pakistan and Pakistanis.” You have admitted that during the 80′s gun culture took hold.

    “To this, I can simply say that Pakistani nation was very peaceful and non-violent until Afghan war of 80ies. It is only after Soviets were defeated and USA left Pakistan hanging dry, the gun culture took hold there.”

    –> Well, 1971 is a very good example to counter your claim. The USA didnt hold a gun to Pakistan’s head to help them against the Soviets. The Pakistani army volunteered in order to get aid and arms from the US. You cant blame the US for doing what was in its interest. US was supporting a bunch of people thousands of miles from its territory to fight their rivals. Pakistan was foolish enough to get in between 2 superpowers. The fighting was happening in Pakistan’s backyard. It should have known if something undesirable happens Pakistan and Pakistan’s have to suffer. And, asking US to support it unconditionally and give aid to Pakistan is utter foolishness. If Pakistani army, who are the real decision makers, are foolish enough to think that some country is going to give goodies forever just because it helped that country once, then that is a colossal mistake. Churchill once had said,”There are no permanent friends but permanent interest”. Even after US stopped supporting Pakistan to build its arms against a democratic country, Pakistan could have given up the support of the Mujahideens and supported democracy.

    Years of Army rule had made the country a little violent and militaristic in its outlook. But, very little. The common man still was very tolerant. But, even Bhutto, a powerful Civilian tried to use the divisive ideology which led to the creating of Pakistan to his benefit. He passed a law declaring Ahmadis as non-muslims.

    Pakistan army, the very institution that was supposed to safeguard it, has ruined Pakistan. It is still ruining Pakistan by supporting the Jihadis in Afghanistan and against India.

    I do not share your optimism when it comes to Pakistan. If I’ve gone wrong anywhere in my analysis please let me know so that I can correct my mistakes.Recommend

  • Jamal
    Aug 27, 2010 - 10:52PM

    Definitely an overstated rant. This guy is living in a dream world. The ideal he has for Pakistan shouldn’t be just for Pakistan, it should be for the world. Pakistan is one of the many corrupt nations and is definitely not one of the worst. This is a weak attempt to justify the worst natural disaster in recent times. Not to mention that a majority of the affected people are uneducated simple farmers. Instead of being so cynical, maybe he should be more focused on solutions to the problem. If anything, he is another piece of the problem. There are too many Pakistanis that have become cynics and this is not an effective method of promoting change. Also, to mention that colonialism was and is not a factor is a joke. As if the British never used and abused Pakistan before and during its existence. Recommend

  • Mischa
    Aug 27, 2010 - 10:55PM

    The people are rotten etcc…. THIS is because there not no SINGLE ideology to hold people together. There is are no Pakistanis.. there are only Sindhis, Punjsbis, Pathans and Baluchis!
    This is the biggest tragedy of Pakistan, one that Jinnah knew yet went ahead with ‘a Muslim land’ hastily.. I guess people preferred being slaves and subservient to their own people then to an outsider…. but slaves nonetheless!Recommend

  • Waheed Bukhari
    Aug 27, 2010 - 11:39PM

    God bless you kind and sensitive heart. Strongly endorse your point of view. Recommend

  • Aamna
    Aug 27, 2010 - 11:49PM

    Woe is us, I say!!!Recommend

  • Bilal A-
    Aug 28, 2010 - 12:07AM

    Absolutely right!! and yet we are blaming the world for all our problems. Its our people who bring all the problems upon themselves be it floods, earthquakes, killings, terrorism, the government we choose and the list goes on.
    I just have a question for mr shahbaz sharif, who claims to be the most worthy leader in punjab and who seems to be taking care of all injustice matters, where was he for this very incident. He didnt even bother to go pay a visit to the family of those two boys.
    I know incidents like these have been happening for a while in our great nation but no one has ever raised a voice. I blame the police, the people the government and every single person for this very incident. We let this happen.
    If this was the anger that people were xpressing on those two lads, My question is “why such anger” who is responsible for all this anger and rage amongst us?? Not the GOVERNMENT , ITS US. WE THE PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN Who choose these leaders ourselves and then blame them for the rest of the term. Just watch, the way we are holding this govt accountable for everything, we ll choose someone like them namely “Nawaz Sharif” for the next term and then again these thiefs.
    WE NEED CHANGE IN THE LEADERSHIP, WE NEED A LEADER WHO CAN STAND FOR THE PEOPLE, and any one who can take care of such domestic issues first before reaching out to the world for money and aids.

    We portray ourselves as the sophisticated society and yet we do such things, we dont deserve to be called and treated like one respectable society. We have brought all tthe restrictions upon ourselves.

    I really want to write my heart out here and wish only if all our comments cud make a diff.
    ALLAH HI HAFIZ hai Pakistan ka like ALWAYS!!Recommend

  • waqas ali khan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 12:10AM

    i dont knw wht to say…r des da muslims who r brutally beating and watching the boys being killed…totally shocked….our minds stinks….nothing better iz going on….every next day iz worst den the previous…wht has happened to us….dont blame america or india…..no one can say we r civilized nation….Recommend

  • kiran
    Aug 28, 2010 - 12:12AM

    a well written article!
    they say killing non muslims is jihad. now what will they say for killing muslim brothers!
    the whole nation is sleeping..wake up!Recommend

  • Dr.Shimail Daud
    Aug 28, 2010 - 1:38AM

    what happened in sialkot is a manifestation of our social fabric. We love to point fingers and try to find someone anyone for that matter to put our blame on. The culture is so prevalent that even now when there is floods MNA’s are pointing fingers at each other that it is the others fault that was the cause of floodin…g in their area. Suppose one MNA were to say to the people around him that the other MNA is at fault the mobs could have ended up killing the leader and his people without questioning or finding the facts.

    Yeah the truth is we are a mob and not a nation. We act like a mob daily and this mob will do anything but something positive. Mob mentality is also called herd mentality. Thus we are a herd?

    Why were 100 plus people silent? Because we the people common people are still slaves. We are slaves to power, money and arms. People do not dare speak in front of establishment power machinery. Thy boys were just another misfortune result of this bitter truth about our people.Recommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 2:23AM

    Thank you for speaking the truth.Recommend

  • ahmad
    Aug 28, 2010 - 2:30AM

    Can somebody drop a nuke on us please. We are the scum of the earth and need to be cleansed. But sorry, as fasi said we are equivalent to cockroaches, and cockroaches have been found to survive nuclear radiation. So may be drop one on every square kilometer, fry these cockroaches to hell.

    I always used to think that we are the scum of earth, but now i couldnt be more sure.

    Long live Pakistan!Recommend

  • Ali
    Aug 28, 2010 - 3:07AM

    FZ

    I agree to everything you have mentioned in the article. I had one point I would like to make over here about

    **”You want to know just how sociopathic we are? In response to these killings some are happy to say we deserve earthquakes and floods. Typical. Don’t change yourself, but give credit to the indiscriminate and inhumane forces of nature. The floods are a tragedy, an atrocity and should never be used to bolster an argument that really only demands self-reflection.”**

    But i would like to post a link over here which is directly related to the statement above. **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmz-gR6PavY**

    May Allah keep us all on the right path.Recommend

  • MS
    Aug 28, 2010 - 3:30AM

    Excellent article! A brutal look at us…it was disgusting what happened and we want to blame everyone else, but we do this to our own people…there has to be drastic change in Pakistan, and I think we have to realize that the government is not going to help us, but that we need to start community initiatives to improve our nation…charities like Eidhi foundation and such are true inspirations to what Pakistan should beRecommend

  • Holy Rockerzzz
    Aug 28, 2010 - 4:10AM

    Wicked article me is impressed that most of the pakistanis have appreciated this article, which is a big thing i guess because most of the time they dont admit. Recommend

  • Mian Saad Asghar
    Aug 28, 2010 - 7:02AM

    Rather than blaming each other, criticizing the system and pointing out flaws in the mentality of the general public it’s better if we utilize this opportunity to reunite and strive for change. All of us should realize the fact that our country needs us this very moment. Leaving rage filled comments under blogs and articles won’t get us anywhere. Our country beckons for rebirth, it beckons for a revolution, a revolution that wipes off the hatred and the countless barbarities that it has witnessed. It is impossible for us to deny what this country has given us and what it means to us. Now is the time to go out there and reclaim our long lost lives.Recommend

  • Shakil Meenai
    Aug 28, 2010 - 9:21AM

    We were shocked when Indira stated after fall of East Pakistan that today we have sunk the two nation theory in Arabian Sea. Now we are doing the same, if not worse, every day. It is wrong to call our country “Islamic Republic of Pakistan”, it is making fun of our religion. Let us call it the “Un-Islamic Republic of Naapkistan”.Recommend

  • Sameer Iqbal
    Aug 28, 2010 - 12:23PM

    very aptly put, the sickness is just going to continue to grow though!!Recommend

  • Hamid Sirdar
    Aug 28, 2010 - 12:37PM

    I have felt this way about Pakistanis, generally, for many years. I think the western world is just too diplomatic in not saying what has been written here. Recently I spent a few years in Pakistan and was shocked at the manner in which life goes on on a daily basis in such a way. When I saw the Sialkot incident I was asked my opinion and I said that as pathetic as it was, I was not in the least surprised. In fact, my own islamic beliefs were under fire as I wondered whether I really wanted to be a part of a faith that made human beings do what they do.
    The defense that there are people like this all over the world is shallow and irrelevant.
    I have always giggled to myself when I have seen the T shirt with “proud to be a Pakistani” written on it. The world hates Pakistan…so it becomes important that a person would need to let all know that HE/SHE is proud to be Pakistani!
    Anyway, I was brought up in Southern Africa, have had a great education and have been taught British values.I am proud of that.So with the values that I have, I shall pray for the improvement of life for all Pakistanis. Talk about discrimination, I have seen it in Pakistan and consider it to be worse than racial discrimination. Recommend

  • Junaid
    Aug 28, 2010 - 1:14PM

    Right on! I agree with you 100% Pakistan needs to wake up. I don’t know what needs to happen. I thought something good will come out of these floods and people, goverment,politicians will join hands and will say “no more nonsense, we need to be together.” Unfortunately nothing has happened. In fact, flood has become another political agenda and an opportunity for pictures for goverment to show they are better than others. Sad, very sad… WAKE UP PAKISTAN…Recommend

  • F.A
    Aug 28, 2010 - 3:45PM

    Fasi So true..and so sad.Well the worst part and the most unbelievable part is that after the incident was reported on the TV channels,the people gathered at the place of the incident in favour of the incident with banners stating that the boys who got killed were robbers (so it was fair to kill them)and one of the anchors of a private news channels of Pakistan was allowed to come inside the gathering (with great difficulty) because the villagers/people were very angry over the wrong reporting of the incident.What more can I say?!!What more can a pakistani say…can only be ashamed of ourselves.Recommend

  • Usman Rafique
    Aug 28, 2010 - 4:30PM
  • asad khan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 4:39PM

    i highly appreciate it fasi.. justice has to be wangled around alot these days.. tell u what, infact, even after smoking 3 consecutive sticks I fail to imagine, let alone picture as to how would Hafiz Mughees Sajjad be feeling- before surrendering his soul due to simultaneous clubbing- as his dear younger brother, his due responsibility to take care of and bring-back-home-safe, his cricket-mate, his bond-for-life little Muneeb Sajjad was being much brutally beaten to death, bleeding before his very eyes?Recommend

  • Zeeshan Najam
    Aug 28, 2010 - 4:50PM

    A splendid article,well woven,point elaborated,no strings attached.Fasi Dear, You are Great.Appreciation; What next,
    I know that there is a solution to all this ;Let us join hands,all the youth of Pakistan come to a single converging point.Let us hit them hard,the forces of evil now need to be swallowed.WE WILL NOT DIMINISH AS A SOCIETY.WE WILL CHANGE INSHALLAH,THAT SHOULD BE OUR PLEDGE.I know we are sick but the pill is there.Tenacity,Wisdom ,bravery and above all our number can do the trick.Recommend

  • NR
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:08PM

    Thanks Fasi, this is the most neutral, direct piece i’ve come across in a long time! Please send it across as far as u can!
    Ur message is a very relevant and pertinent one!Recommend

  • Hira Mahmood
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:12PM

    You see, this editorial was pleasant. Not because it pin pointed the the most pinching vices infused in our society but because Fasi had a heart to speak the truth! Literally, with all the media going crazy after the recent heart wrenching circumstances of Pakistan it is so ironic to daily switch on the tv and try to agree with the falsely- trying-to-be-optimistic anchors. The plastered smile sketched across their faces had started to irritate until i read the above article. Come one, for at least once, we should shun loudly these cliche sentences, “things would getter better” or “we will come out of this catastrophe as a united nation”.. blah blah!
    We have tried to believe these sugar quoted sentences for all the past years. Maybe it is time we see ourselves as cockroaches and you never know- that might give us a true reflective insight into matters.Recommend

  • asma riaz
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:34PM

    I wish I could say ‘how dare you say this to our fellow pakistanis’ but unfortunately I just cannot because I have much less substance than the author to justify my argument that Pakistanis are not as you portray. LET US BRING A CHANGE……SOMEHOW…..PLEASE.Recommend

  • Kawaii Gardiner
    Aug 28, 2010 - 7:26PM

    People want to know why Pakistan is in its sorry state? for 10 pages all I saw was a person named ‘amir saulat jafri’ going on about conspiracy theories, the jews, the west and how evil it is and not a single person on this forum has actually held the person to account. Recommend

  • Wally
    Aug 28, 2010 - 8:08PM

    What happened in Sialkot was unimaginable. It was a barbaric and henious crime, I totally agree.

    But do you think the animals that killed those people can be compared to EDHI sb, someone who has saved thousands of Pakistanis? or maybe you were comparing them to some of our artists and singers that are fund raising and helping with the floods? if not that then maybe Imran Khan is similar to those barbarians, his cancer hospital just isnt good enough?How about the poor people who helped remove the bodies after the Marghallah plane crash and even returned lacs of rupees worth of cash found at the site?Recommend

  • Sameer
    Aug 28, 2010 - 8:20PM

    To those who are disagreeing with Fasi on calling our entire nation shameless, please understand that his main point is that allowing something like this to go unprotested is shameful. Really, what – WHAT – will it take for our people to get out on the streets and make sure that our nation’s voice sounds loud and clear within and outside our borders that we are NOT willing to be a part of this HEINOUS REALITY that is forming so quickly around us? We have taken lynchings and executions of a non-judicial kind on blasphemy, we have seen suicide bombings, we have seen gang rapes and women being paraded naked in front of entire villages, we see our govt. officials and “elected” representatives rape our country every day. What do we need before we are ready and able to protest? Will it be public executions of infants? Flagging and stoning old people whose kids can’t afford to sustain them? Murdering men and women who don’t conform to our version of social or religious conduct? Really…what calamity needs to befall this nation before it comes out of this coma? I’ve seen patients in a coma – they do not respond to anything even though their bodies are in perfect functional order. They just don’t know what is going on around them. They are not even brain dead! I feel like our nation is in a coma. And sure, hearing voices like those of Fasi’s will at least keep giving some food for thought to our comatose brains but the question that I have been losing sleep over (really, no exaggeration) is what will it take for us to wake from this state and once we do, what happens next??? Recommend

  • asa
    Aug 28, 2010 - 10:34PM

    I agree with some of or better to say most of your comments, eventhough I found the language too hard, too harsh. But beleive it or not, since this whole flooding has happened, I have not stopped thinking baout PAkistan. You see until a day before it happened, all that I hear on the radio, was how people blew eachotehr up, for being sunnit or Shia, and then this came, the flood, and I thought well, I am sad for the people’s suffering, but if these people preferd to use their energy and time, blowing each other up, instead of building their country and preparing them sleves for such tragedies, what else can I do. Unfortunately there is so much ignorance and hatrede and inhumanity amongst the Pakistanis that it makes it hard to think they will ever change. No one can give them a feeling of unity, a country, a nation, that can work together to build a nicer safer pakistan. I hope people like you can maybe awaken sth inside the pakistanis souls. There is more to life thatn to blow eachotehr up for Islam. Recommend

  • Hashaam
    Aug 28, 2010 - 11:02PM

    It’s been a while i have taken a side from the news channels and newspapers as it gives me alot of torture and tension. I heard about the incident from my fellow at work. Initially i just took it like a ‘hear-and-forget-thing’ but then many of the people around were discussing the event and i couldnt resist to finally youtube it. Well i still can’t believe my eyes what i have seen. I don’t have words to explain how i felt about those two brothers!! The pain they were in? How helpless were they in the middle of thousands? their eyes were searching for a single soul to come and get them out of the horror!! I still regret that why did i watch that clip, I really do.
    I am still not sure as like many of others that what is exactly the main story and motto behind the murder? But one thing i can stand on and cry my heart out at, that even if those two brothers were guilty, even if they killed someone or beaten or were thieves, or whatever crime or sin they did! This was not the WAY … This was not the way they deserved at all.. It’s inhumane, utterly insane… I am totally clueless about my society? where are they going? what have we become? i havent heard any stories like this from my forefathers about things happening like this in their youth!!
    I say, justice should be served. Which sadly wont bring them back to this curropt society again but atleast can set an example to the rest of the world that the country is still alive! (I wonder)
    Today i am ashamed to be a part of this……… part of the world.Recommend

  • Shakil Meenai
    Aug 29, 2010 - 12:39AM

    In the past I have always told my two sons not to pay to much attention about all the negative propoganda that we hear about Pakistan here in the West or atleast take it with a grain of salt. Whenever any new scandal broke about Pakistan, I used to tell them that it is all the wrong doing of our corrupt politicians and the common man in Pakistan is just an innocent victim of circumstances. Now I have lost this argument because of what happened in Sialkot. I can no longer tell them that Pakistanis are decent people. A lot of parents here in the west are going through the same dilemma as me. I wonder if Fasi should have titled his article as ” Pakistan’s Human Swine”. Atleast this would be more in line with our Islamic identity.Recommend

  • shaan
    Aug 29, 2010 - 12:44AM

    Pakistan, you are a failed state. Not because of Zardari. Not because of America. But because you are a failed people, all of us undeserving of sympathy. We are diseased, rotten to every brain stem, world please make an impenetrable fence around us, keep us all in so we don’t spread it to other people, other countries.

    so true i have no more words to say ….Recommend

  • Aug 29, 2010 - 12:55AM

    strong text
    I strongly agree with the comment below:
    I can understand your rage but you have gone overboard with misplaced disdain and a tinge of elitism. To suggest that somehow, the Pakistani public largely comprises inhuman jihadis is preposterous. There is plenty of humanity in our rural areas among the poor and “uneducated” as well. Consider for example that the person who first alerted authorities to Mukhtaran Bibi’s plight was the local village imam who made a sermon in the mosque condemning the culprits and preventing Mukhtaran from committing suicide (read Nicholas Kristof’s account of how the story in his new book). There are plenty of such unsung good people among Pakistan’s faithful poor as well. Prejudice exists in all societies and Pakistanis are no different. Mob mentality and violent voyeurism can be found all over the world as well. We should condemn atrocities such as the Sialkot incident and certainly work on reform but spewing out such vitriol for an entire nation serves little purpose other than sardonic shock value. Self-criticism is good — self-hatred is not.

    He is intoxicated by the exuberance of his own verbosity. Pakistan consists of many well meaning people as well and what happened at Sialkot is atrocity at its worst and totally unforgivable but that does not mean that you call all Pakistanis cockroachs. I feel your dueRecommend

  • ehte
    Aug 29, 2010 - 12:56AM

    self reflection and self correction are the hallmarks of progressive nation.
    The article in all it’s sarcastic critisim points to the above fact that we as Pakistani’s are a barbaric horde who enjoy bloodshed and violence. We talk about being one of the foremost Islamic states but in reality our moral compuses point in wholly a different direction then what the moral compus of a progressive islamic state should point towards.
    Mr. Fasi you have outdone yourself!Recommend

  • Jaleel rahman
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:19AM

    Thank you for this article and showing the moral courage.Allh karay zoor e qalam aur zeeada.Recommend

  • Tayyaba Anwar
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:43AM

    Fasi, your piece on what a bunch of useless degraded scumbags we have become is simply great. We have learned to close our eyes and blame others, why? Because it is so easy. True, most of us sitting in the sanctuary of our houses could not stop the brutal murder of the innocent boys, but what we can do is make sure such a tragedy does not repeat itself in Pakistan. Recommend

  • ABDUL RAFEH
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:10AM

    People please….! No need to give as much comments
    Just one word can serve the purpose…!
    LIVE UR LIFE ACCORDING TO ISLAM…..!
    but huh when i say this all thosse complexities come to my mind which are there invented by us in ISLAM…
    ALLAH (S.W.A) hum sub ko kamil Hidayat dain…!Recommend

  • Loner
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:19AM

    wE are frustrated we are unhappy and we are ignorant…. anger develops and mushrooms but there is no outlet….we carry rage unhappiness and depression within. its a system thats failed like all the politicians there is no ray of hope and no silver lining.
    our country is washed away with the flood its a chance to rebuild a clean slate…. no leadership no focus….
    We are not a bad people just a lost people We have lost our identity, our religion our history our language….
    What caused those people to go beserk needs to be addressed not the incident as horrific as it was… so it dosent happen again….
    what makes normal people crazy ?Recommend

  • Shehla Naqvi
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:51AM

    I heard news stories which emphasized that the boys were” from a good family, good student and hafiz”
    This is a reflection of elitist bias.This should not allow to occur to a real dacoit or murderer.Would it somehow be more tolerable, pardonable if these young men were beggars or drug addicts? This is the slippery slope we descend when we value one human life over another.. Recommend

  • Aug 29, 2010 - 3:27AM

    why are u guys bashing George he wasn’t as harsh as Fasi..
    but well said Fasi that’s a picture we need to address and find a solution
    Shabbir Lahore PakistanRecommend

  • Usman Siddiqui
    Aug 29, 2010 - 4:51AM

    The article written is true but written by a person who actually cares about the country and so is everyone who has replied (I hope so). The part about us feeling like cockroaches, only a patriot could feel and thats the problem. There are so few patriotic people left in the country. The problem is that we have no respect to feel the shame. We are oblivious to the thought of respect and that includes all walks of life and for everyone around us.

    What I am going to write is not directed towards the writer of this article or anyone specific but talking and saying something is simple. How many of us have actually lived up to it. How many of us have actually tried to make a difference in this country. No one wants to take a shred of responsibility for wats happening. But you know what we are good at, throwing the ball in the other court, wacking someone write in the face that its THAT PERSONS fault. And who can be a better target than our own president. Yes he is not the ideal person to run a country but leaders arise from amongst us and so me, you, everyone around me and you is responsible. I remember this song from “3 idiots” the bollywood movie that said “rishwat daina to khud papa nai sikhaya” and that is a hard cold fact. We might not think over it but in some way or the other all of us have seen it.

    I really liked the article because though understated it highlights how we can put it on anyone at all to get it our backs.

    And there is one major problem that we have. Again its not personal or not meant against anyones beleifs. We are so involved in religion that we are blinded by it. Everything that happens in and out of the Islamic block is attributed to the religion. Flood earthquake, war, peace. Everything. We need to let the concept of religion out of it, study the holy scripture like a text book and not keep it like a piece of jewellery. The only one thing that i appreciate highly of the western world is their ability to be practising muslims instead of “born muslims”. Its funny how only they are educated and we are not though it is our religion that gives infinite stress on acquiring all sort of knowledge.

    Islam is supposed to be a liberating ideology not what it has been painted into the mind of almost every individual in the western world. The nuns have the same dress code as our hijab then why is it banned, because we carried bombs in it. Beards are considered and given as much importance and respect by jews but why not with us becuase the best sinical muslim minds had beards. Even the word muslim has become an official word of caution. Because we built it so. And we need to accept this for once and for all. We need to accept that we in desperation and frustration have gone on the wrong path. We need to take responsibility for the actions of our people.

    I dont think that just sitting around and having the same though and voicing as one is any more sufficent. We need to take action. Everyone of us. And it starts from schools, homes, roads, offices. Any place where you can make a difference. The point is we need to make a difference. Everyone of us in our own way. By not breaking a red light, by not bribing, by not forcing our daughters and sisters and wives to quit studying and promoting studying, by encouraging the right people, standing by them, abiding by rules and most of all being tolerant. The point is “Please make a difference.”Recommend

  • Mehjabeen Khan
    Aug 29, 2010 - 5:28AM

    Cockroaches survived meteorites that lead to the extinction of Dinosaurs…we will survive too and hopefully shed our diseased rotten skins(eventually)….I hope to live to see that day.Recommend

  • Aug 29, 2010 - 6:38AM

    Dear Mr Fasi Zaka,
    Prabably we cannot undo what history has done with us, but together we can create an better future..Best wishes for long life, good health and all happiness..Recommend

  • razakhan
    Aug 29, 2010 - 6:46AM

    shame on you fasi , you also happen to be a person who joins the bandwagon and start pointing towards failure of pakistan or being a pakistani. though you are more of learned person then me , most definately but seriously i believe that this is not the time to write some self-inflicted articles but to some solace to the nation and the people who are working hard , every bit of it to bring as much aid and help to the affected people, you must have written this article in your air conditioned room , with a heavy mug of coffee and perhaps a cigar but think of those displaced mate… Recommend

  • Anam Fatima
    Aug 29, 2010 - 11:33AM

    I completely agree with you. What was most horrifying was that among the onlookers of that bloody massacre were some children too looking as if they were enjoying some festival.Imagine what kind of sadist they’ll grow upto become?
    Its a nation which instills hatred and prejudice through its textbboks at schools and at universities, at mosques ,and of course at home for all those religious and social values which are not one’s own.After every bomb blast we point our fingers towards foreign nations with such conviction and claim to know all the hidden conspiracies behind.For God’s sake after what happened in sialkot, can we now seriously say that some other nation is more blood lusty than us.Recommend

  • Anam Fatima
    Aug 29, 2010 - 11:36AM

    And its just 1 incident that got leaked out….Otherwise karokari and other malicious methods of mob killing have been going on for agesRecommend

  • Anam Fatima
    Aug 29, 2010 - 11:51AM

    Many people here are suggesting that education of nation would make a difference .I dont think that the kind of education we are giving in our institutions would help the case in any way. You see, our textbooks are teeming with hatred and propoganda,the mere notion of free thinking is ostracized .We want our youth to follow the same stereotyped values and they are doing it.Recommend

  • Umar farooq
    Aug 29, 2010 - 12:23PM

    Most of the people commenting on this site act as if they are not part of the system. But you are just as guilty as you are just as barbaric. How many of you are ideal citizens? How many of you dont engage in petty corruption by bribing police? How many of you have filed your mandated taxes due by August 31?

    Its easy to criticize others, but look in the mirror pleaseRecommend

  • Usman
    Aug 29, 2010 - 12:31PM

    Let’s put Pakistani predicament into context….

    The main and perhaps the only problem with Pakistan is the Pakistan army who has been at the helm of affairs, directly or indirectly. Separation of religion and state is perhaps another evil that attributes to the Pakistan’s present state. One of the poorest country that is flooded with people can’t afford a large chunk (over 70% by some estimates) allocated to the army to buy guns and aircrafts. People need food, shelter and education, they can’t eat guns (I’m not referring to the floods). The army that is the property mafia of the country, persecutes civilians and has concocted the war threat through Kashmir has to abdicate its autonomy and needs to revert to its prescribed/constitutional function and go back to the barracks.

    I’d not support the political factions as well, however, they are the lesser of the evil.

    Let me be the devil’s advocate and pose this question, do you seriously believe there’s any alternative to the prosperity of Pakistan than either the army to relinquish its budget for the people and/or for the country to disintegrate? Except for Punjab, the three provinces have been deprived of their fair share of the constitutional revenue.Recommend

  • Monazza
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:33PM

    True!
    Incident 1:
    Two teenage brothers were murdered while people were standing around watching and doing nothing to help or stop the madness….

    Incident 2:
    Millions of people were killed in the recent floods hitting many cities of Pakistan and the number of death continuously increasing because of lack of resources, while some people around the world are watching the news saying they deserve it and doing nothing to help. No donations, no charity for this nation!…

    My point of view:
    There is absolutely no difference between the two sets of people. Both standing around and watching the game of death. In both cases, definite death of humanity!Recommend

  • Omar
    Aug 29, 2010 - 8:02PM

    Change?

    You can start by separating mosque and state and repudiating shariah. It is not compatible with even the most basic tenets of civilization, like freedom of speech, freedom of conscience and equality before the law.

    That’s job one.Recommend

  • Aizaz
    Aug 29, 2010 - 8:05PM

    First Sialkot and today MATCH FIXING. When will all this stop? Yes we have had our intellectual spanking (as one reader puts it) what next. Who has the B_s to stand up and do SOMETHING about it or are we condemned hang our heads in shame for ever?Recommend

  • Haseeb Uddin
    Aug 29, 2010 - 9:27PM

    Dear Fasi,

    Much as I agree with the contents of our article, I do not believe the medium of the article is effective at all. The people who had done all those insensitive acts you quoted, do not understand the medium you have written in, and therefore your effort goes to waste.

    Thank you.Recommend

  • Haseeb Uddin
    Aug 29, 2010 - 9:31PM

    To be more precise, you need to communicate such trashing articles in Urdu, so that it actually its the people who are concerned to it!Recommend

  • Ann
    Aug 30, 2010 - 12:15AM

    You can’t wake up someone who is pretending to be asleep!Recommend

  • saira afzal
    Aug 30, 2010 - 3:02AM

    i dont think you should be blaming the whole of pakistan, as a whole as there is thing like this happening everywhere how can you say this only happens in pakistan watch it on youtube in india police beat a 5 yr old girl proof on youtube. in america the police actually do the brutality themselfs proof also on youtube, in egypt the police do it themselfs. in south africa it happens every day, but in pakistan people have riasen their voices and demanded to be heard so thats why this has become open to the world, they are protesting for their rights but a persons right are stripped of them in many counties, even in the uk an army service man was beaten by police proof on youtube also. this shows that it is happening in every country, so all people should be standing united. i’m pakistani but im not ashamed like you state pakistanis should be, as if thats the case every person in this world should be ashamed as in every country there is abuse, but no we shouldnt feel ashamed the people involved and support this way of life should be ashamed. and i agree they should be hanged but that in no way shape or form makes me feel ashamed when there are countries out there like america and uk where this is against the law but still police do brutality they should also be hanged but in many cases such as the infamous bell case were the police dont even get jail or suspended.Recommend

  • Hira
    Aug 30, 2010 - 3:37AM

    What youre saying is true…however you should also keep in mind that humanity and freedom in our society has detoriated to the point that even if some of us do have the courage to speak up against the madness then we’d be either threatened,censored or if all else fails then just brutally killed while they stare at us and enjoy their 15 minutes of fame as their faces are caught on mobile phones and T.V cameras.
    We need to straighten ourselves out but for that to happen we ALL need to change. Not just the social elites and those at the bottom of the food chain. I mean that the media needs to change its pessimistic point of view. The more they feed our rotted brains with miseries and project a view of disaster..the more let down we are going to feel. If they just SHOW us that Pakistan ISNT just going down the political and social tube..that there IS something good in out country..then maybe we will be shamed into behaving ourselves as we see that there IS good in the wilderness of our country. That there are people who are good. That being a Pakistani is something we can be proud of.

    Regards.Recommend

  • Majid
    Aug 30, 2010 - 4:01AM

    Pakistanis all over the world are greiving for these boys and their family. You need to remember that these two beautiful boys and their civilised family are also Pakistani. After seeing how well they conducted themselves in interviews and how patient and strong they are to have to live with the aftermath of this, you need to remember they too are Pakistani. So there is hope. We can bash ourselves all we want, but this one incident is a wake up call for Pakistanis everywhere. Thanks to the Pakistani media who has told this story to the world. The main culprits need to be punished, but also every single ‘police officer’ and ‘rescue worker’ who was watching is just as guily. I hope this incident shakes and wakes up Pakistan and some positive big changes occur in all of the country’s institutions. Every Pakistani should know the names of these two boys and what they went through. It is time for all to come together as one and say ‘NEVER AGAIN’.Recommend

  • Mohsin Shaikh
    Aug 30, 2010 - 4:14AM

    Dear Fasi,
    Read you passage. Yes! self reflection in very important. But please define the light under which it should be done. Amr bil Maroof wa Nahi annil Munkar and also the translation of the Hadith that one who saves a life saves humanity, is the message in the last two sentences of your writing. In conjunction to the self reflection we youth of Pakistan need one more crucial thing to do which is still missing because we as a youth is so indulgent in our selves that we do not realize this as one of our prime responsibilities. KEEPING A VERY VERY CLOSE EYE ON THE GLOBAL CURRENT AFFAIRS AND ASSOCIATING IT WITH OUR DAILY LIFE. Yes the correlation exists. and it is unarguably considerable in magnitude too. Please do propagate this message along with identifying the social negativity that you just have. The voilent crowd/s you are talking about is not the production of one day or one event, but has precipetated in all of us in past two decades (post 1979) when injustice ruled and we as Pakistani citizens welcome it every time it is around. We are doing the same now because that is sadly the easiest and effective solution for temporary order. May Allah have mercy on us all. Recommend

  • Majid
    Aug 30, 2010 - 4:14AM

    I have posted two comments above (in the first one i wrote – ‘the culprits need to be taken care of’ – in England this is slang language for being punished) but I then realised not everyone will understand this type of language so I changed it in the second comment.

    Back to the writers article, people did capture the footage of this horrific crime on their phones, but I don’t know what the intentions of these people were. If it wasn’t for them filming it then the world would not have seen this crime, and our hearts would not be mourning for the brothers and their family as much as they are.

    There is some difference in hearing of a story like this and then actually seeing footage of it, the latter method seems much more powerful and stirring.

    Thats all I wanted to say.

    Remember people come together as ONE and say ‘NEVER AGAIN’Recommend

  • Kafir al-Haqq
    Aug 30, 2010 - 4:29AM

    Thank you, Fasi, for stating the brutal truth and nothing but. It is good to know that religious and ideological insanity has not claimed every Pakistani yet.

    I hope there are enough people like you to turn your country around and join humanity in the 21st Century.

    Muslims are their own worst enemy because of what they’ve been born into. Until they realize that they themselves – not the Jews, not America, not anyone else – are to blame for their own misery and make a fundamental change away from fundamentalism nothing will ever change.

    I wish you well. Keep up the great work. Recommend

  • Farheen Amir
    Aug 30, 2010 - 6:10AM

    I completely agreed with Haseeb Uddin.
    Fasi but don’t you think you are doing pretty much the same? as a young, responsible, literate and civilized Pakistani what have you done? written this trashing article which is like.. adding more fuel to the Fire set by ‘as so called by you “Pakistan’s human cockroaches”‘.Recommend

  • Usman Hassan
    Aug 30, 2010 - 9:09AM

    Unfortunately dis is all true what Fassi said. Who is to blame? TRUST ME..it is not US..we r plagued and a lot of people commented that there is an air of uncertainty and people are falling to their emotions especially anger. No matter how worst d leadership is no matter how grave d situation is. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE SOMEONE`s LIFE. and then we proudly say WE ARE MUSLIMS .. IT IS WRONG TO DRAW PICTURES OF OUR PROPHET IN SOME NEWSPAPER !! But it is equally OK to beat someone to death for something they were wrongly accused for GOD knows 4 what satisfaction. I am a student abroad on a PAKI passport. I am ashamed to take it out in public and i wish that nobody asks for my nationality.Recommend

  • ISHQ
    Aug 30, 2010 - 10:03AM

    Makes me so sad, breaks my heart. My heart did deserve to be broken, rather, it needed to be broken badly. Fasih bhai, you have got some courage to speak the truth. I dont have this much courage, or may be, I dont have the words. Whatever may be the case, I feel so broken hearted.Recommend

  • beana
    Aug 30, 2010 - 11:52AM

    we need positive words and constructive ideas to bring change. Not words of despair and hopelessness.Recommend

  • zeya bacha
    Aug 30, 2010 - 1:21PM

    I am agreed with the opinion of Mr. Fasi. However, I would like to add that we all are responsible for the indecent. We are in continuous process of finding some Masiha for our nation but we never try to do what we are required. We always try to blame others.
    We have the video and we have the law, once evidence is available it should be used for taking decisive measures. All the crowed present at that occasion is responsible, not only those who beaten the innocent souls.
    ThanksRecommend

  • Aug 30, 2010 - 1:27PM

    My All Pakistani Friends:
    You dont measure countries merely by their Achievements But to a greater extent by its Potential. Potential is Something Possible but not yet as Actual. People with Education Knowledge Skills and so called enlightened minds are there in society with the Possibility to make it Actual. Ignorants and ills in Society are like Weed and Weed you know is a useless plant that spoils the soil but still it’s green, flowery and colorfull. I think no matter how wild it is but Weed still is a natural plant, Its only that the Virtue of weed is not yet discovered. Dilemma of our elite class is that in self pride of their education, knowledge, awareness and wisdom they disconnect themselves from their origin. One of my elder used to tell me: In Pakistan every person having a Car does’nt know how to drive, Every person who has the money does’nt know how to spend and that everyone who so calling himself Educated does’nt know how to apply that education. Simply Capitalising your ownself on that Education is not the real application of that Education that you actually owe to your own society. Recommend

  • saira afzal
    Aug 30, 2010 - 1:44PM

    let me mention 1 thing to all them that say they put shame to muslims that is not true, it can only be true if islam supports it but it doesnt, just coz someone says they’re muslim, doesnt make them muslim. the actions of everyday life and the way you represent islam makes you a muslim. it clearly states in the quran that people like this are kaffirs. so why is every trying to call them muslims and contradict allahs words in the quran. if you had knowledge of islam you would know that these people cant even be called MUSLIMS.Recommend

  • asadullah baig
    Aug 30, 2010 - 1:51PM

    I see 495 comments here fasi. I hear everyone praising you. Saying this is one of the eye opening articles on our current behaviour as a nation. I bet that 95% of people writing here if they were there would have stood by and done nothing. And frankly speaking i am not sure you would have either stood up against a mob fasi. Talking is easy try and put it to use once. I say this because i once shouted against a mob. It requires guts fasi most of us dont have. I have seen people suffer and telling me to quiet down hush up dont speak. I have always spoken my mind. Sadly its not accepted in Pakistan. You are brought down brutally. Do i still continue to speak my mind….Yes. Maybe i am crazy maybe i am young but i know one thing when the right time comes people show you your back and run away. Thats the way of the people of Pakistanis. So i will say this in short write all you want but in the end what matters is your strength to stand up against a strong sea tide which mostly back away from..Recommend

  • Prince Shahryar Rana
    Aug 30, 2010 - 4:21PM

    Did anyone father was killed ? Did anyone trillion dollars land was snatched by these Corrupt Leaders ? Did anyone brothers were martyred ? Did anyone molest by police ? If anyone ever have a single episode of these inhuman torture ? Did anyone had a splash on his /her educated face by matriculate police officer ? Did anyone fell victim of these liar lawyers when stood for simple JUSTICE ? Did anyone experience what threats means and what they are in real world Does anybody knew how this mafia actually work and extend threats others who disobey . If you say yes then i am afraid you had to change your words for system support otherwise it is all ……………. Prince Shahryar Rana .Recommend

  • fahad khan
    Aug 30, 2010 - 4:50PM

    Actually, hanging the guilty would really help a lot. Beating them up, dragging their bodies through the streets and eventually hanging the bodies naked upside down would be just about fair.

    We are not bad people. We are just people and as such we are both good and bad. Are we a failed nation? We are a nation. It has its ups and downs, successes and failures. As far as we stop swimming in denial of our issues and try to address them, there is always hope for change.

    But the time to sugar coat our problems is long gone. We have some (or many) serious issues. We should be aware of them and try to fix them rather than accepting that ‘this is just how it is here’. Recommend

  • Aug 30, 2010 - 5:21PM

    Dear secular, liberals, no human being should be called “cockroaches” not even for the sake of argument. Last time populations were called “cockraoches” on mass media was on Ruwandan state radio up to and during the genocide! Even Islamophiles and Islamists are human beings with rights and duties before International law and as a secular liberal activist for democracy and against re-introduction of Middle Ages theocarcy be it Islamic or Catholic, I say let’s bring all Islamic Imperialist leaders to the International Court for Crimes Against Humanity. We will be very busy for a long time as thousands of Mufties, Mullahs, heads of states etc. have to be tried now! As criminal human beings, not as “cockroaches”. Recommend

  • HUMA
    Aug 30, 2010 - 5:31PM

    FASI beta iread the full page and felt very bad ……ur right what ever u said it is very sad that we r muslim and behave like wise………..what ever bulan sahab said that this is thing is happening in sudan and this happend in usa and so on……what ever other people do specialy r not muslim we cannot do or say anything about……but since we r muslim we should be peacefull and creat good examlpes instead of proving to be terrosit……keep ur voice up dont worry who criticise or not……take good care ramadan kareem……….ALLAH HAFIZRecommend

  • Suleman Mirza
    Aug 30, 2010 - 6:07PM

    Dear writer, you definatly hit the nail with this article. For people like my self, born in Pakistan but living in Europe this is so true. To be honest I was ashamed of being a Pakistani after this episode. I remember in Europe we had a slogan VIP (Very Important Pakistani), seriousley that doesnt apply after this episode. We only have ourselves to thank for this. You are talking about sickening moral and I really dont see that we even have a moral. The sickness in Pakistan is beyond our reach, we cannot understand what lays at the ground and where the root comes from. If you ask me, the root is in our blood. Every whwere I see, there is curroption, there is iloyalty, there is fraud and so on. We dont have a conservative thought, or liberal thought, in fact we are unable to think whats best for our country. The only thing we are able to think or plan about is “Whats in it for me”. Where does this non moral and selfish thinking come from? All this comes from inside of us. And on top of that we are talking about Jihad and Islamic culture with no interference from the western society? The Prophet (PBUH) said, “Jihad starts from inside, at your homes with you families”. We refer to sharia laws and Islamic society, look around you, is there any place on this globe where you have true and rightful Islamic culture? We only have ourselves to thank for the way our “free” Pakistan has become today.

    I must say your article is one of the very best I have read in a long time. May Allah bless us all!

    AminRecommend

  • rb
    Aug 30, 2010 - 6:54PM

    Agreed word by word.Recommend

  • fk
    Aug 31, 2010 - 12:52AM

    Our moral leaders(Teachers, Mullahs,religious scholars)have failed us. They have been teaching nothing but hatred for the other. All ethnic and religious groups hating each other and no voices to counter these. Add to this malady the emergence of a culture where ill-gotten money is honored and idealized. A custom inspector, a police inspector, a Patwari, a land-grabber; all these are the new heroes of our youth. No wonder 7 young players of Pakistan team did not hesitate to make a quick buck without a second thought to the plight of a nation drowning in flood. And this happened while the British nation, in a charity marathon, collected 40 million pounds for flood relief. Pakistan has to find its MORAL soul which has been buried deep under its hubris, hatred and arrogance.Recommend

  • omer
    Aug 31, 2010 - 1:25AM

    finally some one spoke the truth …. change should start from oneself Recommend

  • Dina
    Aug 31, 2010 - 2:25AM

    These monsters do not represent the true PAKISTANIS. If we start calling ourself a failed nation then, these people will rule and represent Pakistan.
    Yes! we are all ashamed, but now is the time- wake up call!!

    Its about time to take action, come out on streets. Writing blogs and drawing room debates wont help!
    Rise True Pakistanis Rise!Recommend

  • maheen
    Aug 31, 2010 - 2:32AM

    disgusting and disappointed peace of writing…Recommend

  • Amna
    Aug 31, 2010 - 3:19AM

    well besides the word cockroach i am pretty satisfied with what u wrote!! everyone should change from within! we follow each other..and when there is a mob the things heat up..it is easier to do something when u know someones approval is there…n all that mob which was watching the damn thing was giving tacit..everyone there is playing a blame game now! arent the ones making the video have any sense to stop what they were recording? it is ridiculous!
    n the education is not going to do much! everyone takes pakistan for granted..for the lack of law for the most part and this has made all of us corrupt..we may think it is ok to cheat on a test or give (as they call it) “donation” to get into university but call it unlawful when someone else does the wrong thing!
    so my appeal to everyone is that please stop taking pakistan for granted!! if u change someone else might too!Recommend

  • Bilal Ahmed
    Aug 31, 2010 - 12:16PM

    Two questions,
    1: Did you ever hear Prophet (pbuh) cursing people of Mecca by saying “O people of Mecca you are fail people……….”?

    2: Cursing and condemning takes only lip service, what practically have you done for changing this society and our values? Recommend

  • ahsan
    Aug 31, 2010 - 3:08PM

    A brilliant piece of work Fasi.
    philosophical ’round – the – maypole’ comments too are in order but what is missing is the next course of action ie, what needs to be done with the full faced monsters who lynched to death the poor boys. After all their parents and their entire family must be provided justice and without any procrastination which is a hallmark of our degenerated system. Those diabolical sons Satan along with their despicable uniformed cohorts should be beheaded in the very place they clubbed to death the poor souls – as Abdul Rahman Malik has stated and which i hope he follows up on. Better still a crowd should be let loose on these devils so that their suffering surpasses that which they had subjected the young souls to.
    The intelligence agency probing this incident has alleged that these two young, innocent boys were highwaymen and that the locals were tired of their activities. Well, if the debauched local herds of beast were tired of these two brothers then how come they are happy with the decadent- to- core police and our illustrious politicians and govt servants who too are rotten to the very core yet at the periphery they glitter like gold.Is it not time yet for these God damned people to give vent to their pent up blood letting frenzy against the pathetic lot that (mis) rules this unfortunate land of the pure ??????
    I, for one pray that the wrath of Allah Subhanatalla visits all those murderers, their supporters, the police thugs, the silent spectators and that this Divine retribution overtakes and annihilates the whole lot, Amen.

    May Allah Subhanatalla Bless and Grant a special place in Heaven to the Butt brothers and solace to their family especially to their parents, and may He recompense them in this world and in the hereafter, Amen.

    An advice to all those who have played down the effects of the lack of Islam in our lives – Please wake up and see that all these and other goings- on in our society will be checked only if we were to adhere to Islam in totality and not when and where it suits us. Recommend

  • khalid naseer
    Aug 31, 2010 - 3:38PM

    Dear all, wonderful comments. True in every bit. But have you forgotten Abugarib prison atrocities by the land you all love to be called a citizen of. Then why no one used such harsh words. These were 2boys (the culprits must be hanged ) and over there an entire nation of Iraq. Why you did not comment then, but wait there is a womens prison too and its photos have not been leaked under strict instructions by Obama.
    Our citizen dr afia siddiqui handed over to the masters USA , to do as please by our worthy troika of generals, who still has a huge fan following and making a comeback. USA AND UK ,first they destroyed Iraq and now Afghanistan on false accusations.
    We have tried all types of governments, all man made laws. Now lets give a chance to the laws made by God. Here lies the only solution, don’t interpret it the way western world does through their media ingrained in your brain. But try what you may , we will never succeed. When you have forgotten the commandments and ibadat as asked from you , then be prepared for more calamities and humiliation at the hands of the west. Go ahead APE the west in your dress, thoughts and while away your time with friends or in front of sick TV plays with beer in hand , everything will be alright. Recommend

  • Maryam Kazmi
    Aug 31, 2010 - 4:32PM

    Self Reflection and Introspection is one thing but since when did SELF LOATHING became a soulution to anything ?????/Recommend

  • Aug 31, 2010 - 5:41PM

    “I want Pakistanis to feel shame, in fact a substantial loss of self-esteem would be great.”
    .
    I agree with the first part. Shame Yes. Remorse, Yes. Soul Searching, yes. Facing the truth, yes. Justice for this incident, yes.
    .
    I do not agree with the second line. Our self esteem is already pretty low, but let us not self destruct here.
    .
    There are 180 Million people in Pakistan – let us not generalize them all away in the span of a single web post. I’m 41 years old and I can’t even begin to count the number of good, principled people I have met in my life. But somehow everytime I talk about the good parts of society, people tell me that I’m missing the “real” Pakistan.
    .
    Well I think I’m real. I think Edhi is real. I think the guy in my office who quitely goes every weekend to a flood affected area to help is real. I think the countless volunteers trying to help and motivated by nothing more than their conscience are real. I think the police-walla who shows up every day and controls the traffic as best he can is real.
    .

    Look Fasi. I’m as horrified as anyone at this incident, and soul searching is great. But let’s not lose our collective perspective. Not now. Not when it is most needed. Not when all thinking and feeling Pakistanis need to be rooting for the country and trying to find a way out of our troubles.
    .
    Throwing up our hands in the air and giving up is not going to get us anywhere.Recommend

  • Aindri
    Aug 31, 2010 - 6:56PM

    You are not a failed State! I don’t think one should demoralize oneself so much. The more one does that, it materializes for real. One of the ways to kill a tree is to curse it everyday. Without encouragement, it perishes: so does the human spirit. What one needs is a positive outlook-towards reforms, towards faith and towards a people who will gladly grow if encouraged to live in a positive society.Recommend

  • Boota Khan
    Aug 31, 2010 - 9:40PM

    I 10000% agree with Fasi but unfortunately this is again another extreme end like Taliban and the Pakistani liberal society. Why we forget that we all are part of this failed Nation and we all are responsible. Can we evade? No, not at all. So the need is to come forward (and face the music) to put this Nation back on the track. I know its an up hill task. Cant do it then stay quiet as a coward like me is doing.Recommend

  • Aug 31, 2010 - 10:27PM

    Dear Fasi, i agree with you on what you have written except that these people who have killed the two boys must not be killed.

    I believe that all those who were involved must be given maximum possible punishment, specially the cops must be hanged in public. They deserve no mercy at all as they are the one who actually allowed it all to happen.Recommend

  • Aamer Butt
    Sep 1, 2010 - 5:22AM

    We blame our nation of become corrupt and downgraded but nobody has looked into the real root cause of why our society is deteriorating. Infact this cause lies in our upbringing. If we go few decades back parents and elders used to teach young generation about moral values, honesty, hardwork, peace & harmony and warned them about the evils brought due to corruption, cheating and hurting others. There is no tolerance towards people of different beliefs and faith. Nowadays everyone has become part of the becoming rich race and nobody cares about the source of their income. everyone wants to mint as much money in a short time. We have invented highly intellectual terms for the justification. We need good parents, dedicated teachers and sincere mentors to bring a positive change in our new generation. Recommend

  • mariam
    Sep 1, 2010 - 6:26AM

    We’re one confused and frustrated barbaric nation, smug and devoid of any realy values…everything and anything we ever do comes out dark and evil…I hope I can raise my kids any better..Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 12:27PM

    Who gave this guy to say Pakistani – Cocroaches? Read Tallat Mahmoud’s “Get Another Passport” article which is slap to Fasi Zaka & Company!!

    Yes.. Get Another Passport.. Recommend

  • ahsan
    Sep 1, 2010 - 3:04PM

    Buland, please do not try and cover up this raw brutality in Sialkot by comparing it to what goes on around the sick world in general and the US in particular …. TWO WRONGS DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT !!!!!!! Recommend

  • Bahadur Alam Kistu
    Sep 1, 2010 - 3:43PM

    Dear Fasi Zaka;
    I am in Oman and not seen the TV clip as you described. But there are enough wrting about the incidence in local paper. Yes Pakistan became a “Failed state” because of its people and not by America or India. Now the latest in failed state concept is the match fixing in cricket. I am really ashamed about our heroes in England.
    regards
    BahadurRecommend

  • ashley
    Sep 1, 2010 - 3:54PM

    There is no answer when we blame everyone else but us. The fault lies within. Since 1947 we have not been able to establish democracy. It is high time Pakistan came first, what you believe in (faith) is need to considered your personal issue. Since Sharia law was introduced what peace it has brought. It has brought suffering and pain ask those who have lost their loved ones. We need to be honest to ourselves. State and religion do not mix and never will. It is interesting to note that on this globe ONLY TWO countries came into being purely on the basis of faith. 1947 Pakistan, 1948 Isreal and rest is history.Recommend

  • Imran
    Sep 1, 2010 - 4:18PM

    Zardari did it… Lets just blame this one too on him, rather than see within ourselves where we have failed… Its sadly amusing how, on the whole, we are the first to judge others and blame them for the wrongdoings that are going on in society without even taking a momment to even reflect upon ourselves. It is infact an alien concept that we, personally could be wrong at times too. We even go far enough to decide what is the appropriate punishment for the unforgivable sins others have commited, eg lets kill these alleged thiefs…who cares about juvenile justice or even humanity… To change u must admit the fault. This one’s on me, the common man, not Zardari… Live with this fact on your conscience for the rest of your lifeRecommend

  • Faraz Zuberi
    Sep 1, 2010 - 4:54PM

    The following sentence perfectly explains the core issue ripping us apart, we need to address this complex….

    “There is such a sense of sickening
    moral superiority in Pakistanis, it
    needs to be addressed.”

    Recommend

  • Balaji Kartha
    Sep 1, 2010 - 5:25PM

    I hope I am not vilified for my comments – but I believe the troubles of Pakistan come from the basic premise that religion can be the basis for formation of a political nation state.
    To succeed as a prosperous nation the first thing one needs to do is separate religion from state. The negative effects of the explosive mix of religion with politics can be seen anywhere and everywhere in the world and to create a country on the basis of religion (Pakistan, Israel) is a sure recipe for disaster.
    I would like to see Pakistan prove it is smarter than the Israelis by solving this puzzle. Then they sure can show off their moral superiority smugly.Recommend

  • Zehra A. Farooqui
    Sep 1, 2010 - 8:53PM

    Referring to the last paragraph, change will NOT come by exonerating those accused of this heinous crime. Ask the mother of these boys and she would wish the same treatment for those responsible. That’s called Karma. We need to set examples for our people by punishing these and all other perpetrators in the most ruthless manner. How else will you be afraid to carry out such atrocities. Our legal system (despite the much hyped judicial activism) has failed to bring out a cataclysmic change. A suo moto action by the CJP isnt enough, because cases keep lingering in courts for ages while the criminals run free on bail. Frankly speaking, there needs to be a thorough laundering of the unclean elements in our society by first setting aside the legal system (lunatics and scoundrels will always find ways to evade it) and a revolution is in order. There is no such thing as a White Revolution. Societies throughout history have transformed themselves by massive revolutionary movements- that may not always be in your or my interests :) We may be next to be guillotined because we may be too privileged, or too corrupt.

    The question is: In the name of Pakistan, can we overcome fears for our personal life and property and sacrifice all we have? Nations don’t cum out of one’s rear. Freedom is achieved by blood and iron. Bismarck certainly wasn’t a maniac when he said this.

    ” Those who compromise freedom for security, deserve neither freedom nor security”

    Thomas Jefferson.
    Recommend

  • Sharjeel Lasharie
    Sep 1, 2010 - 11:03PM

    My earlier comments was deleted. I won’t complain. But lets see if you leave this one on:
    Watch India, the nation that seems to put people like Mr. Zaka in complex. Note the Indian police watching while it happens:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcKwq6VIlKg&feature=related

    Not convinced yet? Watch another one.

    Recommend

  • Aown Kazmi
    Sep 1, 2010 - 11:29PM

    “A GLIMPSE INTO THE LIFE OF A PAKISTANI COCKROACH (KKK Enthusiast)”

    Hi my name is Amima and i am the biggest supporter of KKK. One of my main dilemma in life is that I have a GREEN PASSPORT, which means that I always get my visa refused to the ALMIGHTY United States of America! In my leisure time and in the comfort of my air-conditioned room, I enjoy dewelling and sulking on Everything and Anything that is wrong with this Godforsaken place that I have been SHUNNED IN!!! I have an extremely low self-esteem but I cope with it by bashing and thrashing everyone around me. I have recently been woken up from my deep stupor of disillusion and have finally been enlightened by the works of The Great Master Mr.FASI ZAKA and his ingenious side kicks. I have no shame of being called a COCKROACH infact I am worse than that. I am the filth of the world, the unwanted spa of humanity, the scum that is more disgusting then all things rotten that crawl on this earth and by only acknowledging and accepting that i can totally be set free of my useless, worthless, shallow and benign existance. Oh WHY CANT OTHER PEOPLE ALSO ACCEPT THIS….WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY DON’T THEY ADMIT THIS HARSH BITTER REALITY AND STAND CORRECTED by big patriots and nationalists like George Fulton. Afterall more than anyone else’s, IT IS George ka Pakistan, isn’t it???Recommend

  • fk
    Sep 2, 2010 - 2:36AM

    AONE KAZMI;

    You are right on!!!

    Who is responsible for stripping the moral fiber of Pakistan and turning it into an “everything goes” society. This question needs to be answered first of all. Those responsible should be named and their pictures and the details of their crimes published. This album would serve the future generations. Not many would be able to get rid of the green passport and, consequently, would live and die in Pakistan.

    I know that the criminals cannot be prosecuted/punished etc. as they are too strong. I am looking for some form of a public record on these criminals. Recommend

  • Fatima
    Sep 2, 2010 - 2:49AM

    FINALLY somebody raised their voice!one thing after another and its like there is no end. I for one believe that we have reached a whole new level of brutality, selfishness and inhumanity. The only that can be done now is to try and take a step back…it is going to take decades and centuries to restore our position as just another developing country from being tagged as the most dangerous place on earth.Recommend

  • Kamran Khan
    Sep 2, 2010 - 4:56AM

    As painful as it is to read, I must admit you are correct. I admire you for having the courage to speak. I wish there were a more positive way to say it all.Recommend

  • Jumma Gul khan
    Sep 2, 2010 - 10:19AM

    Love you Fasi man!Recommend

  • AA
    Sep 2, 2010 - 12:42PM

    Is the author still alive?Recommend

  • Natasha Reza
    Sep 2, 2010 - 2:23PM

    @ aown kazmi

    I never realized how complex the life of a self-loathing bitter cockrach can be. Perhaps Fasi Zaka could use your little note as inspiration for his next masterpiece entitled “The memoirs of a iconoclast Parasite”.
    I cant wait for it, im sure its gonnaa be a cynical gem enriched with some more of Zaka’s classic revelations of “Reason why this country is a hellhole”.

    And than again, why shouldnt Zaka be a critic of the very place that has given him his Identity and sustainance. In fact, we all as “Infectious Pests of this Planet”, should JOIN FASI in crippling this country of its well being. Its something that would be more easier to do than actually working for the betterment of this nation. Afterall we have been fighting for Pakistans prosperity for decades now….. why not just give up and count our riches (like this herald author). Im just positive that thats exactly what we need and for that THANKYOU eR. FASI. You are surely the revolutionist that is needed to mend this wretched country of its disease, and it’s people!Recommend

  • Sep 2, 2010 - 5:29PM

    Non violence can to be an important, wonderful part of our lives. In these times, violence becomes a natural outlet for our frustrations, and insecurities.

    Forgiveness of others is an important part of non violence. If we teach ourselves to forgive others no matter how heinous their crimes, we will be at peace,

    We also our forgiving ourselves. Because we forgive others we forgive ourselves also. We are at peace.Let us teach our children to forgive every one including themselves.

    Let no one tell us about revenge, or about destroying evil in the world. Let us pleged to remove evil from within ourselves. We will be at peace.

    If we are at peace with ourselves we are strong.Recommend

  • Sep 2, 2010 - 6:28PM

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/5330481/New-outrage-over-Iraq-prison-abuse-photographs.html

    .
    And NO. The argument is NOT that others did it too so it is somehow OK.
    .
    The point is that these acts didn’t mean the entire US population is depraved – nor do crimes in our society mean that the entire Pakistani population is made of hearless fiends.Recommend

  • Sep 2, 2010 - 7:36PM

    Mr.Fasih Zaka and all commentators.

    Every created being has an animal inside, and with opportunity it comes out, and one such incident occured.in Sialkot.We should be thankful that there was only two youngsters not the whole family. In 1971 in East Pakistan mobs killed hundreds and thousands by a steel cutter, like the hindus slaughter a goat. You will find millions of instances from all over the world from the very inception of time. There is a ritual or it might just have happened that a mob of 10,000 Africans went wild in the african jungle with spears and killed everything that moved including Hippos and Elephants. The nature of that operation was so brutal that you will not be able to see it.

    You cannot blame a nation or any religion. You need to understand the very nature of creation and the numbers always had something to do with it. This human roaming on this earth will simply not learn the good things. Its been 15 billion years since humans started walking these continents, no results so far. A few who gets the lessons, do fairly well and who do not learn the lessons, do what todays rulers and the rest of the human races are doing.

    As far as the pakistanis are concerned we need legislation and rules for punishment real harsh punishment for breaking human law, society laws and country laws. Simple tit for tat,or shariah laws. Democracy cannot give this, because you will need to get 12 jurrors or money will come into play. I can go on and on, but I sincerely hope this serves the purpose of getting all of us to learn and grow mentally.Recommend

  • Bonim
    Sep 3, 2010 - 5:45AM

    YOU GAVE ME A HOPE.

    I left Kashmir due to the unrest there coz I was not a muslim. Lot of people have died there since then. Different people have different opinion on who is to be blamed for this. I had my opinion also. To be honest, I blamed the support from across the border for that and continued to think like that and always had an impression that things would never become normal in MY KASHMIR till people don’t realise the wrongs that are happening either in Pakistan or Kashmir.

    After reading the artical and the comments (most of them), I am pleased to know that there are people in Pakistan who want a change. A change for the better. A change when I will be proud to say to the world, ” I have a Pakistani Friend”. Thanks for giving me that hope friends. Recommend

  • Sep 3, 2010 - 5:49AM

    Friend don’t blame all Pakistanies, because there are present few wrong doers and also due to our shamefull political parties from which the whole society is corrupt,those wrong doers are of dual nature and all those wrong doers knows tht they are doing bad deeds and are not giving off their duties because they are giving the avarice of money… (and they are munafiq)…. well, on the other side the non-muslim are trying their best to dissociat this Islamic nation and which we knows already from historic happens tht it is the past habbit of non-muslims….and they donot want to see 1′s peace and prosperity,,,,,,,,
    well ma one request to all my Pakistanies brothers is tht, plz plz do your own job and don’t laugh on ur own deeds……………….Recommend

  • Klingschor
    Sep 3, 2010 - 6:52AM

    Why did this happen? Perhaps I misread the article, but I still don’t understand why this lynching occurred; why did this happen? Was this a responce to something, or were the boys part of a despised minority? Why did this happen?Recommend

  • Maya Rochlani
    Sep 3, 2010 - 9:21PM

    Hi Mr. Zaka,

    I applaud your insight & courage to speak the unvarnished truth. While you seem to have quite a few supporters, I’m sure vast majority will malign you for handing them a mirror to see the horrible, ugly truth & it hurts!

    My two cents’ worth would be to seize the moment & organize a powerful rally of like-minded folks who are disgusted by this kind of barbarism, hypocracy & corruption in the nation. No level of formal education will rid the nation of this ingrained, cultural morass. And don’t ever expect that the government or the politicians would see the light of the day & come to your rescue. Politicians are just there to get their & their friends’ coffers filled by any means possible & get even with their enemies, while they are in power. Country be damned!

    Please awaken as many of your compatriots as possible & make a difference in a very positive way. Godspeed! Recommend

  • Saad
    Sep 4, 2010 - 11:31AM

    I agree with Fasi with every single word said. BUT. why dont we try answering the question that “what is it that has made us blood thirsty?”
    I think its the growing frustration thats becoming more and more engraved in every single Pakistani these days be it a toddler or an old man trying to cross the road. Look at all the stimuli around us: inflation, poverty, secularism, loadshedding, cost of living, lack of medicine, flood, corruption and last but not the least our cricket!…everything around us forces us to grab the baton and smash the head of the person next to us. And then comes the media, independent it is for sure but it appears there isnt anything good happening in our country. If you ask me i would rather prefer living in the stone age than watching the crying faces of the people in my country on my TV.Recommend

  • Rida
    Sep 4, 2010 - 11:08PM

    Spot on. Spot on. Spot on. Recommend

  • M.A.Khan
    Sep 5, 2010 - 9:59AM

    Fasi , it was an over reaction on your part to blame the entire Pakistani Nation for this act , you may blame the people around there but how can you bracket the entire nation as savage
    If as you claim that the people of Pakistan have failed then why would you or so many commenting on this article be condeming this incident. Pakistans have not failed nor have we as a nation lost our sense of direction or conseience. Every one who saw this felt disgusted ,we would have failed if we had not shown our concern.
    On the other hand look at the tremendous response to the floods relief efforts or for the IDPs ,the amount of money and material paid and distributed is commendable. Pakistanis today stand highest in charity donations although some surveys place them at fourth.

    If at all we have failed is when we choose leaders that let us down and for that the blame rests entirly on us.Recommend

  • Fareed Ali
    Sep 5, 2010 - 12:48PM

    Great piece. Words worth spoken,.Recommend

  • Air Cdre (Retd) Ishfaq Ilahi
    Sep 5, 2010 - 2:30PM

    As one commissioned in the PAF in 1968, it gives me great pain to see how a once beautiful country is inevitably sinking into the black hole of anarchy and lawlessness. Everyday bombing and terrorist activities are taking its human toll, besides the unprecedented flood that has submerged the vast agricultural land. The latest bombing in Lahore and Quetta showed how deep is the fissure. I feel that the only way out of this morass is a renewed pledge to bolster and hold on to democratic order, however corruption ridden or chaotic it might be. I think Pakistan’s experimentation of Islamising the state and politics has totally failed and the earlier they realize the better. The sectarianism and the religious fanaticism is eating the very foundation of nationhood. The way out to me is to totally discard religion-based politics and strive for a secular Pakistan. Pakistanis should get busy rebuilding their ravaged country instead of having grandiose plan of expanding the zone of influence beyond Hindukush. It is also time to get out of Kashmir syndrome – first it cost East Pakistan and now Pakistan itself in danger. Pakistan must keep the military and especially the ISI under control. The talk of another Martial Law is the worst that can happen to the unfortunate country. The Mullah-military nexus has ruined the country in which the politicians and bureaucracy played the second fiddle. My hope is on the Pakistani intellectuals who needs to rise on the occasion and play their part. Amen.Recommend

  • R. Shanker
    Sep 5, 2010 - 9:39PM

    “Yatha Raja, thatha Praja” is an old saying in Sanskrit, which means “As is the ruler, so are the subjects”. This is universally true, as much in India as in Pakistan.
    But who rules Pakistan, The elected President, the Military or the Imam?.

    Since 1947, the moral fibre displayed by one or all of the above three has had its impact down the line. Today we have incidents relating to Ajmal Kasab, Salman Butt, Mohd Asif, Mohd Aamer. and those mentioned above by Fasi These are mere manifestations of the origins, and I quote the respected Shahryar Khan, when he mentioned “moral fibre” following the ‘spot-fixing”

    I would like all to read George Tenet’s ” In the Center of the Storm”, to know “so many things”Recommend

  • Aniket
    Sep 5, 2010 - 11:19PM

    A very nice read! Here are my two cents…
    Pakistan had a very rich tradition of music…over they have destroyed it, along with the film industry and other performing arts.The result is, all their best talent is now here in India and what did they take from us? Two of the most wanted people from India. (Dawood Ibrahim and Tiger Memon).Today, we are reaping their artists’ talent and on the other hand, our rouges that they have sheltered are surely not doing any charitable/constructive work in their country.
    In only the last month, the media in Pakistan has accused India of Lahore blasts, Cricket match fixing and even the damn floods! And just when I was wondering how the hell will they blame the sialkot incident on India/US/Israel…..Here they are! I read of the guys saying the Indian TV channels are to be blamed!!
    If you give undue importance to these conspiracy theories, just think of the consequences:
    1. The people actually involved in Lahore blasts will not be chased.
    2. The corrupt players will get a lease of life and they will know that no matter what they do, they will be able to get away with it &
    3. The Landlords who diverted the flood waters toward the residential area to protect their crops will do it again if such floods ever come.
    Do the math guys…Recommend

  • fk
    Sep 6, 2010 - 4:33AM

    Re: Air Cdre Ishfaq’s letter:

    He wants Pakistan’s intellectuals to rise to the occasion to solve Pakistan’s problems. Let me submit that Pakistan has, unfortunately, not been able to produce much in the way of intellectuals. Mediocrity has been the order of the day because talent has never been cultivated/employed due to a system of patronage and/or graft. University professors, newspaper editors, lawyers and columnists, all are political partisans with very little intellectual maturity. They don’t read books on, history, philosophy or sociology etc. One can hardly find even a dozen journals of international standards published in Pakistan with any regularity. The biggest source of ‘wisdom’ is a tabloid newspaper called “The Daily Jang” which has a total circulation of about 250,000 in a country of 170 millions. University professors are not required to publish anything at all as a requirement to earn their tenure at the university. All they need to do is to belong to one or the other political party. Recommend

  • Sep 6, 2010 - 10:23AM

    LOL! If you only knew how insanely you played with people’s psychology here and what damage it adds to already depressed nation, you would have been ashamed of yourself Mr FZ! This is what you relayed:
    ” I want Pakistanis to feel shame, in fact a substantial loss of self-esteem would be great. This is the only way for us to begin to doubt ourselves and the incessant excuses we make. Yes, the world is right to add restrictions on our visas, to see us as dangerous.”
    Your article was not at all needed as much as you don’t need my comment on this! Recommend

  • Boharh (ਬੋਹੜ)
    Sep 6, 2010 - 3:33PM

    Very brave but overwhelmingly apologetic. Pakistan is an assortment of very aggressive, mutually exclusive cultures. Only the Jat Sikhs of East Punjab compare. The thing with aggressive cultures is that they collapse. Sparta, Greece, Rome, even the Americans (and they are withering) all testify to this. Human have evolved in autonomy, equality, absence of hierarchy and human habitations of human proportions (read no mass society) Pakistan continues to fail on all these counts. India with its fake democracy is fairing only slightly better. Only a federation of autonomous, endogamous villages of equals can cure such pathologies.Recommend

  • akhan
    Sep 6, 2010 - 3:56PM

    Fasi, good job, Pakistan is a sick place, I don’t have words to describe it.Recommend

  • Aamir
    Sep 6, 2010 - 5:09PM

    Care to write a similar blog over this news?
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nycrime/2010/08/02/2010-08-02youngmansavagelybeatentodeathbymobinparkslope_attack.htmlRecommend

  • Aamir
    Sep 6, 2010 - 5:11PM

    Care to write something over this, Mr. Zaka?
    http://bit.ly/cbE5nORecommend

  • Not a One
    Sep 6, 2010 - 9:06PM

    I have one thing to tell you and remember it well!

    Sir SALMAN RUSHDIE!

    No I am not judging you, I am just telling you that you are asking for his fate, the one he received from this nation back in 1989 for writing what he felt like.

    The man is very smart, so are you but this religion does not like smart people to join it, for it thrives on ignorance. Ignorance always leads to arrogance.

    Sincerely,
    Someone SomewhereRecommend

  • Not a One
    Sep 6, 2010 - 9:10PM

    What I found strange and funny in my own writing is that Salman Rushdie, already has the word DIE in his last name…………………………………………………..SpokieRecommend

  • Boota Khan
    Sep 7, 2010 - 12:58AM

    @ Yousaf
    Who gave this guy to say Pakistani – Cocroaches? Read Tallat Mahmoud’s “Get Another Passport” article which is slap to Fasi Zaka & Company!!

    @ Aniket
    A very nice read! Here are my two cents…
    Pakistan had a very rich tradition of music…over they have destroyed it, along with the film industry and other performing arts.The result is, all their best talent is now here in India and what did they take from us? Two of the most wanted people from India. (Dawood Ibrahim and Tiger Memon).Today, we are reaping their artists’ talent and on the other hand, our rouges that they have sheltered are surely not doing any charitable/constructive work in their country.Recommend

  • Not a One
    Sep 7, 2010 - 11:21AM

    Dawood Ibrahim and Tiger Memon

    Setting your neighbors house on fire will burn yours too!
    And
    We got burned!
    Zia ul Haq=Nero

    Someone Somewhere Recommend

  • Tahir
    Sep 8, 2010 - 12:43AM

    You want to know just how sociopathic we are? In response to these killings some are happy to say we deserve earthquakes and floods.

    But are you not saying the same thing Mr Fasih?Recommend

  • Mikaail Ahmed
    Sep 8, 2010 - 3:23AM

    He needed to vent and he did, all of us have at one point or another. It might be sardonic in nature but one cannot ignore the honesty in the article. I understand there are good or bad people everywhere but we have proven it far too many times that we get what we deserve. And sadly it always ends on this note. The momentary revengeful frenzy has passed. Things head back to normality. And all of us wait for another incident, barbaric would be fruitful but even an ignoble would be worth the wait.Recommend

  • Mrs. Ahmed
    Sep 8, 2010 - 11:19AM

    For God’s sake – brutal indiscriminate murders happen the world over. 2 white policemen beat to death a young black male in LA last week – do you see Americans pouring out vituperative anti-American self loathing posts like this one?!

    how can you identify with a crazed mob of 50 in sialkot, and not identify with the MILLIONS of people helping out the flood victims. how can you not identify with THOUSANDS of people working directly in the field to get the aid out? THAT is Pakistan. the spirit and generosity of giving is what embodies Pakistan, not these crazed mobs taking justice in their own hands.

    how can the world respect us, if we don’t respect ourselves!?

    Responsible journalism – strongly suggest you look it upRecommend

  • Boharh (ਬੋਹੜ)
    Sep 8, 2010 - 11:43AM

    Mr Fasi, it’s amusing to see how the city-slickers load themselves up with urban guilt. Newsflash! Its NOT your burden. You are as responsible for this as the atrocities in Rwanda. It is this region–Majha–Sialkot, Lahore, Gujranwala, Amritsar, Gurdaspur & Taran Taran with its ancient madness. The Pathan/Baloch folks too might have instances of such barbarity but they wrap it in Shariah. The Majhails rooted in elaborate feudalism and shaped by a bloody history, on the other hand will kill for recreation and dance with butchered limbs. They’re fed a bloodthirsty bravado right from early childhood and bloom into latent vampires at adulthood. Look at what the Majhail Sardars did to East Punjab in the 80s! You want to change that? Start with dismantling feudalism, now don’t get over excited and start industialising a la India. That way you’ll be running from Shaitan’s lap straight to Devil’s but basically figure out how to distribute bio access equally. I know it’s easier said than done but that’s where its at.Recommend

  • Imran Butt
    Sep 8, 2010 - 11:58AM

    “Let he who is without be the first to cast the stone” all those who are not living in Pakistan please sit down your voice doesn’t count…. all those who are in the ship I agree with with you. those who left the country have already made their choice wouldn’t you say? their choice of leaving the 170 million “cockroaches” and living in the comfort of other countries. NOW you think you have a right to criticize what you have forsaken? if you have the guts go back and try to start a grass root reform movement…Recommend

  • Truthful Mole
    Sep 8, 2010 - 3:43PM

    Dude, I’m a mole not a cockroach! But that said if my fellow countrymen have fallen to cockroachian depths, is there some way we can pull them up in chain of evolution. What would be the next step after cockroach? If we are forward-thinking and can help cockroaches help themselves, what would they become? Seriously, Mr. Zaka, lets look ahead and find positive soloutions for the cockroach race to better itself! Could that be your next article?Recommend

  • Boharh (ਬੋਹੜ)
    Sep 8, 2010 - 4:18PM

    Dear Imran Butt, I don’t need your permission to speak to my fellow Punjabis. Pakistan/India are yesterday’s children. Punjab the bioregion is much older and will out-survive these artifices. Just ’cause someone erected a border in the middle of Punjab, it doesn’t mean that cultural/emotional links are severed. Punjab must reform & evolve and all Punjabis have a stake and say in that regard.Recommend

  • Imran butt
    Sep 8, 2010 - 8:05PM

    Mr. Boharh my reference was to expatriates Recommend

  • Kashif Hasan
    Sep 8, 2010 - 8:05PM

    Of course, in the reflection of our social behaviour, we are as a nation severely suffering in personality disorder, normally, we are looked like a human but internally we are worst than savage, whereas avarice and illitracy are our false pride, in such conditions, we are really not deserving to be a called a democratic nation.
    But, how can we get rid of this disease just only saying “hate murder”?Recommend

  • javed
    Sep 9, 2010 - 3:13AM

    Salam. well, u cant damn the whole nation for a wild response of a mob. all nations have their own share of brutality and we are no exception. how can u bail out US, Russia, CHINA, UK and rest f teh allied nations when they bomb the complete towns of innocent poeple in Iraq, Chechnya and Afghanistan. similar incidents are true for indians who burnt inncoent women and chidlren in Gujrat and kashmir. so, lets condemn this but please DONT MAKE URSELF A CURSE TO THE WHOLE WORLD THAT WESTERN MEDIA IS TRYING US TO APPEAR LIKE.Recommend

  • Boota Khan
    Sep 9, 2010 - 4:24AM

    @ Mrs. Ahmed
    [For God’s sake -------------Responsible journalism – strongly suggest you look it up]

    Thank you Mrs. Ahmed. I think a befitting rejoinder, much needed it was.

    Imran Butt, Truthful Mole, Javed…… Good to see awakening. My respect to you. Now that since the cockroach is identify so rub the pseudo :-)

    @ Boharh (or whatever it is)

    Please don’t dig out the dead. it would only stink Recommend

  • Rafiq Chaudhry
    Sep 9, 2010 - 6:34AM

    This is not the worst thing that happened , and not specific to Sialkot , rather on going everyday ever where,my own world has been destroyed as well , when my elder brother 74 years old, owner of private Jinnah General hospital Sheikhupura, who was best FRCS surgeon murdered @ 8:15 pm on Lahore / Sheikhpur road , 22 month back on Nov. 22/2008 FIR # 1147/08.
    I am begging all concerned to look into this crueilty , no progress of any kind.Every one thinks that it is not their obligation , as compared to this country who is investigating a fetus of 1950 without any bribe or pressure of any kind except consience of duty.
    Secondly My in laws house is occupied with my belonings in JALIL ABAD -Gujranwala by family servant as all family migrated to USA. The house was built to visit the graves of the elders and or come back after retirement. Every one is asking bribe to help.
    The soceity is rotten one. I am living outside since 1974, have no problem to pull on with every color and faith. My street has 12 houses and there are Arab , Spanish , Filpinos, French , African are living in harmony.
    Why the best religion is producing such corrupt socity?Recommend

  • ashwin
    Sep 9, 2010 - 12:53PM

    WOW, what an article, i dont agree with all of it but what a patriotic response no wonder pakistan is surviving awesome is your love for your countrymen I salute for itRecommend

  • Tarek Rehman
    Sep 9, 2010 - 4:48PM

    We have cometo this state of barbarism thanks to the military/mullah axis and the politicians have been no good either. We need io redefine the idea of Pakistan and we dont need this kind of democracy where criminals come to power. We need education and this does not mean madressas but modern western education for the masses.Recommend

  • fk
    Sep 9, 2010 - 5:49PM

    Re: Rafiq Chaudhry’s commets:

    I fully understand his feelings. My wife’s uncle was robbed and bludgeoned to death three months ago while on a visit to Pakistan(Rawalpindi) from the UK. He had gone to Pakistan for two weeks to stay connected with his motherland and stay in his house. He was 75. His wife has not yet recovered from the physical injuries she suffered. The police is not doing much in the case. Pakistan is free for all country where the strong prey on the weak without any compunction. It is a real jungle.Recommend

  • Aali Zaidi
    Sep 10, 2010 - 9:23PM

    What pakistani are showing these days, are not new …our history on which we are proud of are somewhat filled with these brutality, on which we feel proud…… for us Mohammad bin qasim was first muslim on soil of Sindh…. Please rectify the history and choose the correct heros in Muslim world.(read unbaised history)
    Brutality or terrorism never shed peace or harmony. Recommend

  • Sep 13, 2010 - 12:31AM

    today 10yrs old zeeshan died nobody mentioned why bilal & this kid was shot????Recommend

  • Sep 13, 2010 - 11:34AM

    Hey, I know we all feel like giving to pessimism these days, particularly after the brutal Sialkot murders and the recent spate of bloody suicide attacks. But, what we need to realize is that such horrendous things happen in a lot of countries… sadly, mostly go unnoticed. Because our media is suddenly so active these days, we witness fresh displays of torture and death almost every single day interspersed with other depressing and frustrating news from the political front. Everybody has skeletons in their closets, every nation has it’s murderers and it’s silent spectators.

    However, thank God, that there is now increasing change in our society. The perpetrators of the brutal Sialkot murderers will be brought to justice, inshAllah as long we keep pressing for it. The fact that the criminals have been caught is, in itself, a big deterrent to other ruthless murderers out there. No longer can you sweep something under the carpet or get away with murder. Recommend

  • Shahid Iqbal Butt
    Sep 13, 2010 - 8:02PM

    Well i disagree i think we are victims of the system that has made our society corrupt at hand of foreign investor , leaders, policy maker and Babu class of Pakistan as professionalism
    has been ignored in all fields even trade and industry due which we have sick industry.Recommend

  • Javaid
    Sep 15, 2010 - 6:47AM

    I think citizens of Pakistan need to straight up their head and education is the need of this country so quality leaders can be chosen .Recommend

  • farrukh hanif awan
    Sep 16, 2010 - 11:48AM

    If only i was born in a different country. These days, the same that he feels, i’ve been feeling for ages. I’ve been around, i’ve seen things in this short lifetime but man we are way behind on all fronts. Be it education, social education…everything. We pray for change when we ourselves are all evil. I use evil in all literary sense. We can’t feed the poor, we can’t elevate the poor. Pakistani’s have no dreams but to survive. Its just sad. Such a rich country but yet so poor. Even after so many of being swindled by the pakistani’s (us), it is still rich but we are so poor at heart and mind.

    Imagine when someone tells you that the floods are due to “american and indian new superweapon which fires a projectile in the air and presto you have rain”.

    For the police, i recommend a practice, every morning, they should be rounded up and spanked by the people and in the evening, the police people can spank the civilians. Thus we would have a cycle of spanking, tish tosh tush, all red tushy and maybe, just maybe, the spanking might help them wake up….Recommend

  • Faheem haider student of B.E
    Sep 16, 2010 - 12:07PM

    Dear you said a reality we are cockroaches.We are the responsible for these problems not the government. We are bad thats why God has given us such a great leaders.Recommend

  • saleh
    Sep 21, 2010 - 1:55PM

    ” Don’t give us that, “If only there was true Islam they would be better”. I think a thousand years is enough, we can’t wait longer. And there was no America in existence for most of that, or even western colonialism”
    so what are you suggesting?

    How can the problem of Pakistan be solved?

    I do say if Islam was truly practiced and implemented, such acts would definitely be avoided, because first off a practicing Muslim would never kill anyone the way those people did, and if there was social justice of Islam on a state level, no one would dare committing such a crime and many of the problems of Pakistan would be solved, there is no socio-politico-economic justice in Pakistan, and no, the so called democracy would never help, Islam is the answer…..and please dont tell me to look at Saudi Arabia, they dont implement true Islamic laws anyways…Recommend

  • Sep 22, 2010 - 10:53AM

    It has been a real experience and pleasure to read all the comments from you guys.

    The best part is not one of you is willing to give up just yet.Thats the spirit.Do not look for other to change, be the change yourself. There is just no way that things will not change if you apply yourself.

    This is not a sermon or judgment on anyone of you. I am expressing my appreciation hope it will be received in the spirit that these comments are being made.

    Have noticed a fair amount of visitor to my blog from Pakistan,please do feel free to leave your comments.for the benefit of those who have not yet visited this is the link to it. http://ioretradingindia.blogspot.com/ look forward to hearing from you all.

    May god bless you and your country.Recommend

  • Ghias
    Sep 25, 2010 - 3:52PM

    My mind is just numb………………..there are no words to describe the present mentality of the so-called educated elite and their western copy-cat rowdy kids..
    How do you change the culture of GREED, ignorance and gross stupidity ?
    Misguided and uneducated/half-cooked Mullahs are no help either
    Lack of proper basic education is one of the main causes coupled with the FREE exposure of holly/bollywood culture in almost every home. When home cooked meal is replaced with Big Mac/KFC/PizzaHut………….Oh yah, sorry, forgot, there is no power/light at factories to run any industry or at home to do anything,, cook or study…, so rob/kill someone to eat a big meal at salt-ppr. KIDS at home are like Monkeys…Monkey sees, Monkey Does….
    SO lead by example…if you are a NORMAL human being. !

    SHAME ON ALL OF US, Pakistanis. Making Highways, Mansions or Shopping Malls is NO or very poor reflection as to who we are, UNLESS each and everyone of us STOPS “TRYING” instead of Focusing and doing something Positive and NOT relying on others but your own selves..
    IF you wish to be recognized and not buried alive..then WAKE UP…Please.Recommend

  • Manish
    Oct 1, 2010 - 6:36PM

    Pakistan should shoulder with immediate neighbours not some one 5000 or 10000 KM away for support.
    India could be great help if pakistan change its mind set and get with terms with reality.
    Help from western countries is the main reason for disparity in pakistan thats why it is a fail state.
    But if common man will understand that biggest enemy of pakistan is not India but its own leaders who only think about themselves not the poor Jawed, Karim or uneducated Fatima who lives in villages of this beautiful country.Recommend

  • Oct 7, 2010 - 3:50PM

    If following is correct then you all must correct to yourself:-
    Facts are factsRecommend

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