Water world: Dr Attaur Rehman senses a scam behind man touting water kit

Published: August 4, 2012

The kit was to be tested on Thursday at NUST, but this did not happen.

KARACHI: Sindh Senior Law and Parliamentary Affairs Minister Ayaz Soomro is the latest to jump on the infamous ‘water kit’ bandwagon, having called the man touting the ‘invention’ a national hero.

Agha Waqar’s invention of a water kit has proved and recognised Sindhi people on world level,” Soomro told journalists at his office. “He is our national hero.”

Eminent physicist Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy and former Higher Education Commission head Dr Attaur Rehman have criticised Agha Waqar, who claims to have invented the water kit that can power a car, for making a mockery of science. However, Soomro called Dr Attaur Rehman, a “production of dictatorship” while categorically rejecting the latter’s scepticism at Waqar’s claims.

Dr Atta refused to respond to the provincial law minister’s statement. He said that it should be enough to evaluate the veracity of the allegation that he was never affiliated with any political party but received civil awards for his services from almost all political leaders, including Benazir Bhutto.

Meanwhile, the question of proper technical examination of the water kit was only brought up in a meeting held at the President House on Wednesday. The meeting, which was presided over by the principal secretary to the president Salman Farooqui, concluded that the car with a water-kit installed will be sent to the National University of Science and Technology (NUST) in Islamabad. The officials were supposed to send the car to the university on Thursday morning but this did not happen.

When Waqar was asked by The Express Tribune why he did not show up at NUST on Thursday, he said that the plan had changed. “The technical examination has now been deferred for an unidentified period of time and will not happen soon,” he said. When inquired to explain the reason for the deferral, Waqar simply hung up the phone.

Debunking the water kit

“The car has not been subjected to scientific examination and yet the issue has been blown out of proportion by irresponsible media coverage and praises showered by ministers,” Dr Rehman told The Express Tribune. He added that he was and is calling for scientific examination of the claim and did not know if he has been served a legal notice for this just demand.

“Had he been genuine and not leading ministers around him with his bizarre claims, he would have filed an international patent to protect his invention and only then he would come out with the claim.” He also believes that there is a massive scam behind the claim to mint money from government and corporate sources.

Waqar has become a household name after he appeared on several primetime talk show hosts to showcase the water kit, which he claims can power vehicles.

Dr Rehman rubbished Waqar’s claim that a 1,000CC vehicle will get 40 kilometres per litre of water, and said these statements could only be made in Pakistan. “In countries where scientific research is taken seriously, nobody would pretend to joke about science in this manner.”

Dr Rehman said that the “self-proclaimed inventor” did not have knowledge about basic processes like electrolysis.

“This is the first mistake he is making and he does not even know that you can’t even get electrolysis on distilled water,” he said, “For this purpose you have to have an electrolyte [a solution that conducts electricity] which can be decomposed by electrolysis.”

He explained that a powerful energy source, which could only be a battery in this case, is required to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen and then recombine them through combustion to release energy. “But firstly, the energy which is required to separate hydrogen and oxygen will always be greater in amount than the energy released and secondly, the external energy source will eventually die out to fail the process since the efficiency of electrolysis in hardly 20 to 30%.”

He added that if this were not the case than this man has invented a “perpetual motion machine” which again, according to a scientific consensus, is impossible. “What this man is proposing is scientifically impossible; he is defying the first law of thermodynamics,” he added.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 4th, 2012.

Reader Comments (98)

  • Awans
    Aug 4, 2012 - 4:48AM

    Well I appreciate the Dr Atta ur Rehman stance on this issue but I have one serious question in my mind that Perceived father of Nuclear Bomb endorsed such a fake Project. Are we Sure that Dr Qadeer Khan even know basic of Physics but how he worked at atomic level then??. Also the father of Missile Programs in Pakistan Dr Samar Mubarakmand was the second person to join the bandwagon and he was wrong as well. This actually allure to the fact that so called Fathers are actually cashing in on the scientific work of thousands of Engineers and Researchers working in NDC and in NESCOM who work day and night and in the end the higher echeclons of bureaucratic circles got the whole credit of all the progress and term it as their own inventions to get all the attention and that is the story of whole of Pakistan.

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  • abc
    Aug 4, 2012 - 5:08AM

    Agha Waqar has proved that how easy it is to fool the nation, ministers and the media. The way he was challenging Dr. Attau Rehman was disgusting and he must be stopped forthwith. He must be sent to the place from where he was receiving the offer to build the plant for such a big invention (LOL). His qualifications and the institute which awarded him the degree must be checked and verified once again by HEC. The invention he did belongs to the laboratory work done by O Level students.

    Utter nonsense.

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  • Aamir, Toronto
    Aug 4, 2012 - 5:14AM

    I 100% concur with Dr Rehman that this guy (Waqar) is up to something, what surprises me the most is kind of attention he is getting thru media and politicians……something is fishy here otherwise he would have taken kit/car to NUST for examination…….I hope and pray to ALLAH (SWT) that innocent people don’t fall into a new trap and loose their hard earned money.

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  • Prof. Dr. S. Siddiqui
    Aug 4, 2012 - 5:21AM

    I appreciate this timely effort in exposition of the fraudster. When our electronic media has lost all sense of responsibility, the English press is at least trying to bring some balance.

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  • mirealistic
    Aug 4, 2012 - 5:59AM

    I am doing PhD in Engineering from a British university. Although this so called innovation is not directly related to my research area however I have my basics in mechanical engineering. I am well aware of engines and related stuff.
    I was completely shocked to see the claims by Engineer Waqar (although he is not engineer but he has annexed the title illegally). No one here in the western world can blatantly make fun of science. And now the provincial legislator is trying to make it as ethnic issue. What a shameful handling of the issue by our politicians, scientists, journalists and the media.

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  • random
    Aug 4, 2012 - 6:34AM

    if only our journalists and Politicians use their heads….

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  • fawad
    Aug 4, 2012 - 6:35AM

    The first law simply states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed but it can change form

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  • PakistaniCanadian
    Aug 4, 2012 - 6:59AM

    Aah, yes. Perpetual motion. As funny as it sounds, what with all the politicians jumping on the bandwagon, is that it happens all around the world. Practically every year someone comes out with some contraption that they claim will produce unlimited and/or dirt cheap energy and thousands (if not millions) buy into it even in the west where education levels are far higher. The best thing to come out of this ridiculous claim is that there will be greater skepticism and emphasis on verification in the future in Pakistan once these politicos and the ‘father of the bomb’ look like the fools that they truly are. Science wins!

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  • Faheem
    Aug 4, 2012 - 7:20AM

    Authorities! please dont let this fraudulent (Agha Waqar) walk away like this. Take him to NUST or Energy council, run scientific test in the presence of media and observers and sort him out!

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  • abc
    Aug 4, 2012 - 7:26AM

    The government must check if Agha waqar deliberately did this than he must be charged for fraud otherwise he must be stopped forthwith. He must be packed and send with his invention to the companies which are offering him to build a plant for the kit.We already have alot of people fooling the nation. (LOL)

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  • American Desi
    Aug 4, 2012 - 7:51AM

    Pakistanis are experts in embarrassing themselves.

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  • AS
    Aug 4, 2012 - 7:59AM

    There is a lot of mention of the law of conservation of energy and I have attempted to show how this may hold in the case of Waqar’s car :

    http://publicaccessarticles.blogspot.com/2012/08/recently-there-was-news-of-engineer.html

    Here I illustrate how this vehicle might work. I think Dr. Ataur Rehman may have incorrectly jumped to the wrong conclusion.

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  • Abid Javed
    Aug 4, 2012 - 8:11AM

    My respect for this man Grows day by day.. GJ..

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  • Mard-e-Haq
    Aug 4, 2012 - 8:15AM

    Former Higher Education Commission head Dr Attaur Rehman did nothing when a series of university plagiarism scandals rocked Pakistan a few years ago. He is reaping what he helped to sow. Incidentally, Dr Rehman has reportedly has more than 800 published papers which must be a world record.

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  • mr. righty rightist
    Aug 4, 2012 - 9:08AM

    @Prof. Dr. S. Siddiqui

    Exposition is not the same as exposing. Please check a dictionary.

    Also improvisation and fixation, does not mean improving and fixing, respectively.

    Also respectively does not mean respectfully.

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  • Sane Voice
    Aug 4, 2012 - 9:31AM

    While it is definitely abhorrant that scientific knowledge is mocked in this country to this level, however, to me, more pethatic is the attitude of some people including politicians.
    Everything in this country seems to be divided accross different lines……religon, caste, regional, provincial and ethnic basis etc.

    The minister soomro tries to cash in on public sentiments……and declared agha waqar as national hero. By this standard anyody can declare anyone as national hero. I saw photo in some newspapers yesterday which showed a handfull of rdinary people protesting to declare him a qomi hero. These people, I m sure, didnt even know what hydrogen, electrolysis and laws of physiscs are…….only thing mattered was waqar sahibs ethnicity.

    Yesterday…….on the pages of this very newspaper I read comments which said that ‘invention’ of waqar was made controversial because he belonged to khairpur/sind etc. In my humble opinion there is nothing wrong in challenging established scientific theories and laws……..and…….attempt something which may at present sound crazy…….but reinventing the wheel and making false claim of new accomplishments shouldnt be allowed.

    I dont know where we will end up…….if we continue to tread on thi path……but it will surely be not a very good state.

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  • FU
    Aug 4, 2012 - 9:33AM

    “Dr Rehman rubbished Waqar’s claim that a 1,000CC vehicle will get 40 kilometres per litre of water, and said these statements could only be made in Pakistan.”

    This really made my day.Thanks for that ET.

    @Awans Your father of nuclear bomb was a fraud as well.AQ khan was a metallurgist, how come he became Nuclear scientist overnight.We all know the answer,he stole nuke centrifuges design from Uranco,Netherlands where he was employed. This is fact,go check from neutral sources and debunk me.Otherwise Pakistan will always be in dark ages if you cannot accept the truth.

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  • Aamir, Toronto
    Aug 4, 2012 - 9:48AM

    @FU

    Why are you dragging Dr. A.Q. Khan into this issue, he has nothing to do with it…. Recommend

  • Jibran
    Aug 4, 2012 - 10:13AM

    You can’t blame politicians here, when the so called experts of the likes of Abdul Qadeer Khan, Samar Mubarakmand, head of Pakistan Science foundation, have been vouching for this fraudster. The politicians have to rely on the experts on the subject matter for judging the validity of any scientific invention, and here the so called “great scientists” have failed the nation, and made a mockery of Pakistan in the entire world. The other day my Indian colleague was asking me was it a spoof or it was really happening in Pakistan.

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  • sadia
    Aug 4, 2012 - 10:15AM

    Agha Waqar should be arrested for fraud.

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  • Uzma Shah
    Aug 4, 2012 - 10:22AM

    @Awans: You are so right. Isnt it sad that the person who is known as father of science program or defence could not understand the most basic physics behind the claims. I just happened to read another article http://mintopark.com/2012/08/03/pani-wali-car-samar-mubarakmand-abdul-qadeer/ discussing the same fact. And what about Samar Mubarakmad, he was calling it a possibility as well.

    I must laud Dr. Rehman as well as Hoodbhoy for staying firm on his ground despite being questioned by everyone around him.

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  • Mohammad Ayub Khan
    Aug 4, 2012 - 10:31AM

    Please let me know, if Dr AtauRahman is an automobile engineer. Do comments of a chemist on automobile engineering has any worth?

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  • atirand
    Aug 4, 2012 - 10:42AM

    This is actualy lack of understanding of fundamental priniciples of Physics and chemistry. However he should be encouraged to obtain basic relative knowledge. H gas is very important area of renewable energy research but the person should be guided and directed toward right direction. This is not a ethnic or racial issue as everyone knows the idea is impossible and invalidate fundamental principles of Universe. The best way is to advise him for international patent and then he would certianly knows. (May be he will call everyone stupid in develop world or racist or religious rival and many more things !!!!).
    Some of the research idea he should work on:
    1. Generation of H gas from natuaral lightning by breaking water molecule.
    2. Production of H gas in nuclear power plant.
    3. Exploration of catalyst to weaken the water moleclule bonding.
    4. Design of Energy efficient Hydrogen engines in cars.
    5. Hybrid energy design of engines in cars.
    6. Use of Caclium carbide in car engines.
    7. Microrganism that produce Hydrogen gas during this activities.
    Try that Mr Waqar and definately you will get very positve response from the world, believe me you have the potential of thinking which is very important just use in right direction. And I am sure no body shown you the right direction thats why you come to that idea.

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  • Truth bites
    Aug 4, 2012 - 11:12AM

    And this man Khursheed Shah will decide about 3G license, God help us

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  • Jpy
    Aug 4, 2012 - 11:19AM

    Now one thing is quite clear. It is not not Dr.Abdul Qadir who is the real inventor of Pakistan’s Atomic Bomb but somebody with more brains from outside????? Othewise how could he blindly support such a stupid theory of Engr Agha Waqar?

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  • Muhammad Bilal
    Aug 4, 2012 - 11:30AM

    @Awans:

    You are 100% right.

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  • Sultan Khan
    Aug 4, 2012 - 11:36AM

    His Excellency Dr.Ayaz Soomro should know that science depends upon facts and figures and has nothing to do with religion, ethnicity, rhetoric and emotions. The so-called mantra of dictatorship may help him in diverting the attention from bad governance but not in the scientific world. Dr.Atta is neither an angel nor a perfect man and must have his drawbacks but by criticizing him illogically nay foolishly he has exposed himself and has raised the question as to how a man with such a low IQ can be a minister. For his information Atta was an international figure even before the Musharraf regime. What a pity on this nation that discards those like Salam and Atta who are recognised by the world and makes those heros who bring shame to this nation.

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  • Raj - USA
    Aug 4, 2012 - 12:40PM

    Dr. Attaur Rehman has explained in a TV show today that this guy, Agha Waqar has hidden Carbide inside the kit. When Carbide comes in contact with water it produces acetylene which is used to run the car. Dr. Rehman also said that the cost of carbide would make it uneconomical. This guy admitted to Dr. Rahman in the TV show that some other substance is also used in the water kit.
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  • Noosh
    Aug 4, 2012 - 12:42PM

    he was fooling people….but why…can somebody comment on this…pls…?

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  • AllahWasaya
    Aug 4, 2012 - 1:02PM

    I might be charged with blasphemy if I was in Pakistan for saying this but Dr. A Q Khan hardly sounds like a scientist, he actually sounds more like a clerk especially with his reasoning in this case. In Hamid Mir’s program he goes on to say that Bill gates and Steve Jobs were “non matric” yet were so successful in the field of computers and software. Anyways in the above article it says that the esteemed Engineer Agha Waqar did not show up at NUST with the car for an inspection of his device and claims that the inspection has been postponed indefinitely for unknown reasons. I won’t be surprised if we don’t hear about this guy ever again, he is a con man and his 15 minutes of fame are over!

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  • boltanaujawan
    Aug 4, 2012 - 1:11PM

    It means our scientific heroes DR. Abdul Kadeer and DR.Samar are not ediots. Why we people are so much conventional and never believes in ones creative skills. Oh bhai dhabay se kuch bahir niklu, duniya buhat bhare hai... Inventions are not bound of any theory; take for instance a common example of Thomas Edison, who invented the bulb. If one cannot encourage the creativity at least he should not suppose to criticize. We should be tolerant and let Agha Waqars invention be tested by experts…….

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  • Aug 4, 2012 - 1:15PM

    “Hero” and “Shaheed” are quite misused words in Pakistan. As Dr. Hoodbhoy wrote, “Pakistan is in the age of ignorance”. Hence anybody who can fool a large segment of the nation is is “hero” indeed.

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  • Aug 4, 2012 - 1:20PM

    @Sultan Khan:
    Excellent and very balanced views. May Allah bless you.

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  • Hashim
    Aug 4, 2012 - 1:24PM

    @Awans:

    You nailed it! Exactly my thoughts

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  • zK
    Aug 4, 2012 - 2:02PM

    Its very sad to see that a lot of our Sindhi friends are coming on media and claiming that people are trying to undermine Mr Agha’s “invention” because he is a sindhi hailing from the interior of the province and furthermore that he’s not being given due attention on national media. I feel this is HIGHLY objectionable. Nationalism is one thing but I feel people should rise above that and view this scenario in the right perspective which of course is the scientific perspective. Unfortunately Mr Soomro seems like being carried away with the pesudo nationalist pride as well.
    Lastly to humiliate Dr Atta who i believe is an asset for this country for such a dubious invention speaks of how much we value the real heroes /brilliant minds of our country. Mr Agha simply refused examination of his “invention” for an indefinite period which i guess concludes the entire debate itself.

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  • Aly Sakhi
    Aug 4, 2012 - 2:09PM

    the matter should be interrogated. the motives behind all this drama of making mockery of our scientists and nation in the world. it has also triggered ethnic differences among the groups. we have added one more record in our account that will be quoted as an example while teaching science (law of thermodynamics) in the world.

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  • Sarah
    Aug 4, 2012 - 2:12PM

    Have you guys seen another claimant of water kit . Who has been driving for the past 6 months?

    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=UQrI8l3JY

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  • Summer_Festival
    Aug 4, 2012 - 2:23PM

    @Jpy:

    The technical father of bomb along with the political father Mr. Bhutto was the late Mr. Munir Ahmad Khan, a reactor engineer and Chairman of Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission 1972-1991.

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  • Trojan
    Aug 4, 2012 - 3:32PM

    @Aamir, Toronto:
    A.Q. Khan is being dragged in because A.Q. Khan has endorsed the fraud claim of Agha Waqar, as seen in this video of Capital Talk at 15:54 mark.

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  • Aamir Maqsood
    Aug 4, 2012 - 4:16PM

    Agha Waqar is not an Engineer,He done his DAE and B.Tech from Khairpur,he is Technician and claimed that he is an Engineer.
    Agha Waqar Proved that the level of Education in Pakistan and specially in Sindh.
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  • Shariq Tanweer
    Aug 4, 2012 - 4:27PM

    This shows how our nation is running from corner to post in search of something to believe in, something to make them proud. It also elaborates the role media has played in creating unnecessary hype about nothing and everything. There will be more scams to follow and its the government’s responsibility to keep check.

    This nation needs to start believing in itself for it to get back on track. This is the government’s and opinion leaders’ responsibility to rid us of pessimism.

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  • Umair
    Aug 4, 2012 - 4:38PM

    DR Abdul Qadeer is a jaali scientist. He has a degree in metallurgy. he doesn’t know anything about nuclear physics or anything else.Just tell the media to call him and ask him about advanced nuclear physics theory. he was only a fixer who allowed us access to nuclear technology.

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  • Anonymous
    Aug 4, 2012 - 5:38PM

    @Aamir, Toronto:
    Mr Toronto, watch capital talk about bum hero what he says.
    Bum doctor/who admitted on tv of all immoral things in mush dictator era, everything .
    Coal mubark another hero has supported this khairpur device.
    President of Pakistan research council has supported him.
    I consider all those heroes fraud rather than mr waqar.

    If You were mr waqar, with 3 year training after matric in a third rated institute, no access to internet And no knowledge of scientific methods and laws You also would have been very excited and presented it to world the way he is doing out of innocence rather than sinister motive.
    What I have learnt so for
    1. Water can run the car as he is claiming and he is not lying that is what he is showing.
    2. Unfortunately due to lack of scientific understanding he does not know that actual energy that is driving the car is coming from battery. Even if he knew that
    3. He does not know that electric cars and hybrid cars are already there in market and efficiency is low.
    4. My daughter six and four year run their jeep for 45 minutes on battery few days week.

    Blame bum and coal doctor for all this mischief.
    As for as Dr Atta is concerned he is known to be ethnically biased and hater of local people and has harmed them.

    No body has said anything to mr Hoodboy who wrote very strong critic , calling water kit claim as posterior smell, as every one knows dr hoodboy is fair person

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  • Mudassir
    Aug 4, 2012 - 5:50PM

    Just like Pervaiz Hoodbhoy said, Agha Waqar should be awarded some medal for his service to the nation. I don’t blame media and politicians that much for being so ignorant and absurd, but he clearly exposed scientists like AQ Khan and Samar Mubarak in this short period of time. So called fathers of our nuclear program. It could not get any better or any faster than that.Recommend

  • The Fact
    Aug 4, 2012 - 5:59PM

    “Style is Man” Pakistan is always proving itself as insane country by the actions and the way her absurd media and anchors exaggerating petty issues and absurd idea without realizing the facts and testimonials analysis. Recommend

  • Aslam
    Aug 4, 2012 - 6:20PM

    Javaid Chaudhry, a famous anchor should invite Engineer Waqar along with some other engineers in his programme and ask him to fit this water kit in his car, live on TV.

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  • Visibly Invisible
    Aug 4, 2012 - 7:43PM

    Way to make everything into an ethnic issue. When demanded scientific scrutiny everyone started to hide behind their ethnicity. Science cares less about which direction you pray or what language you speak and to take a CHEAP shot like “production of dictatorship” in a scientific debate goes to show the mentality of the minister and the nation in general.

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  • Zain shamim jalali
    Aug 4, 2012 - 8:28PM

    Really our nation donot deserve any invention .we are simply biased people.People who are saying that basic principal of thermodynamics cannot be changed i simply want to say come on yar its not TUBA NUZBILLAH QURAN or SUNNAT that cannot be changed.Second thing those all who are criticising DR AQ KHAN i want to ask tell me what u people have givrn to pakistan accept demoralising your own country people?? Really shame on thise who are supporting DR Atta ur rehmen the child of dictatorship tell me his one biggest achievement for pakistan in science ? I remeber he is the same person who ruined HEC. What a great people u are with excellent mind . instead of sitting at home why DR ATTA did not go and inspect the car himself whats problem with him??Recommend

  • S Ahmad
    Aug 4, 2012 - 8:30PM

    the rot of lies began with the lawyers movement and has engulfed everything from politics to society to media and now to science and education. The ability to think rationally as a society continues to spiral down. well done !! soon the world would have solved the energy crisis.
    sa

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  • roadkashehzada
    Aug 4, 2012 - 9:14PM

    Pakistan ambassador to UAE contacted international renewable energy agency (headquartered in UAE) and they will test the car. going to be really embarrassing for pakistanis if it doesnt work in land of oil.
    why wud the ambassador do that in such a hurry???

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  • Taha
    Aug 4, 2012 - 9:20PM

    I knew at very first moment that Agha Waqar was a fraud . I tried to convince my friends and kins , but they called me rigid,arrogant and pessimist . My friends literally abused me and put forward absurd logics. I was also shocked by Dr AQ khan’s view on this thing . He was talking like a layman . I used to respect him as a physicist but thats an old story now . I am too disappointed by the reaction of the masses of Pakistan . Even the most educated people dont know that fundamentals of science. It is shame for everyone of us that how easily Agha Waqar has made a fool of us . Its even a bigger shame that people try pull down all those who try to think critically and logicallly . I am so looking forward to see agha waqar in jail and a slap on those faces who supported him so strongly.

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  • PakistaniCanadian
    Aug 4, 2012 - 9:36PM

    @Anonymous:
    “If You were mr waqar, with 3 year training after matric in a third rated institute, no access to internet And no knowledge of scientific methods and laws You also would have been very excited and presented it to world the way he is doing out of innocence rather than sinister motive.”

    Actually, sorry. He IS entirely sinister in his motives. Your arguments are incorrect. That car is not running on its 12V battery. It cannot for 40 kms like this ‘Engineer’ claims. Your analogy is similarly incorrect. Your daughters’ jeeps do not weigh a ton, nor do these toys go even a tenth of a speed of a normal car. At that load, the motor isn’t drawing much power from a battery, and can be used multiple times a week, just not for 45 minute sessions.

    Had this Engineer been sincere, he would’ve been far more receptive to why an educated person thinks his invention should not work. Instead, he spent his time arguing over how ‘practical’ precedes theory. Unfortunately for him, he isn’t attempting to disapprove a THEORY. He’s claiming to have broken a LAW. We rely on Einstein’s Theory of relativity for many things, including GPS and formulating new theories. But we still call it a Theory because it cannot be proven to hold true in every case, nor can we prove it to fail in any case. Scientific Laws on the other hand cannot be broken. Not because they are divine, but because they are fundamental to how the universe works. Scientific Laws have been found to hold true in every case, and have never been found to fail under any conditions.

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  • Aug 4, 2012 - 10:58PM

    @Anonymous:
    You need to correct your views that Dr Ata is “ehnically biased and hater of locals”. His actions bear testimony that he has done great service to Pakistan by spreading higher education without any regard to ehnicity or creed. Criteria has been MERIT only.

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  • Asim Sohail
    Aug 4, 2012 - 11:14PM

    MR AGHA, please stay a miles away from technical persons especially engineers. OTHERWISE your empire will destroy in minutes with the dreams of hundreds of non technical innocent Pakistanis who started to store their home water to run their cars in comming days.Recommend

  • Sexton Blake
    Aug 5, 2012 - 12:08AM

    As the renowned detective Sherlock Holmes once said in so many words, “I cannot comment until I have more data”. However, I think I can safely say, that if by some miracle the water kit does work at a low cost, the large corporations will buy it out and it will disappear. for ever.

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  • Ch. Allah Daad
    Aug 5, 2012 - 12:42AM

    I guarantee one thing when this drama is over, no one will come forward to accept the responsibility. Each one of us will blame others on their stupidity.

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  • Haider
    Aug 5, 2012 - 12:52AM

    Those who are presenting Agha Waqar as national hero can’t answer that how the process of electrolysis took place with distilled water? You can’t even get electrolysis on distilled water. Even Agha Waqar can’t answer it. Why didn’t he get a patent of his invention?

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  • Uzair Javaid
    Aug 5, 2012 - 12:54AM

    @Aslam: Forget it. The man is a clown and should be banned from further coverage given to him. He should be prosecuted for fraudulent claims and also the claims which he made live on TV that people from UK, Europe and Singapore are reaching him for his technology. That clown the way he talked to Dr. Atta, the audacity he had to talk to a man who has given countless people their dream to study their doctorate abroad. Recommend

  • Yasser
    Aug 5, 2012 - 1:37AM

    Agreeing with Anonymous, I would like to conclude that.
    * What Agha Waqar did and showed was a non-viable fact and this amateur technology already exists in western world which he never knew. He tried and attempted and remained successful in running a car with hydrogen (through electrolysis using water and electricity via battery) and acerylene gas (when water and carbide contact) and that was his whole claim. He did not know that the electricity needed to produce hydrogen and later to run this car could only generate one fifth or may be one sixth of electricity which the same battery needs to charge to produce hydrogen.
    * Agha never knew that there are any laws of Thermodynamics exists as he is not a qualified scientist. So it was never his fault. He was happy to show that he ran his car by using water as fuel (which as atually hydrogen).
    * Our Minsiters, PSF, and specifically Dr. A.Q Khan and Dr. Samar Mubarik did endorse the only fact that YES, Car can run on hydrogen and the efforts of Agha Waqar are commendable where as Dr. Atta-ur-Rehman and Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy are true that we better check its viability through basic laws of thermodynamics which is the core requirement for any new invention.
    * Yesterday, A TV channel showed Agha Waqar’s meeting with Dr. A.Q. Khan where Dr. Sahab categoracally stated that the project is not viable and against laws of physics.

    Now there should not be any ambuguity that in any way some one have malified intentions in whole matter.

    It would have been mush better if Agha Waqar could install “Flexiable Solar Panels” (available in maket) on the roof top and bonnet (hood) of his car to supplement the charging of the battery that could have sufficiently improved the viability of his product.

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  • HinduKush
    Aug 5, 2012 - 1:51AM

    Feel sorry for you Pakistan. What you have done to yourself?

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  • Yasser
    Aug 5, 2012 - 1:52AM
  • Mudassir
    Aug 5, 2012 - 2:32AM

    Zain shamim jalali.
    I pity you for your understanding of science and nature.

    Laws of nature, whether they are related to thermodynamics, motion, electromagnetism or elementary particles, are laws of God. They are not man-made laws. They are not authored by scientists. They only discovered them, learnt them and applied them for the benefit of mankind.

    These laws are penned by God himself and everything in the universe obeys them. Whether it is the whole universe, or just an engine fitted in a car.

    Any invention, violating these laws, is impossible, no matter how hard or how long you work to prove them wrong.Recommend

  • Khalil
    Aug 5, 2012 - 3:26AM

    Being a technical person, I believe tests are needed to support a scientfic truth. The technical details alongwith all the parts and components used in Agha waqar water kit need to be published to know how it is working. Without indulging in the basic laws of physics, lets test his kit for feaibility. As I heard, if he is using carbide and distilled water and running his water car for past six months without any expense other than distilled water, we need to prepare a feasibility report whether it is cheaper to use carbide and distilled water than petrol or CNG on the long run or not.

    Lets not discourage him, we need to verify and examine what he has practically done and claiming. The practical tests on short and long period shall prove component consumptions of this kit Vs petrol and CNG. If the same is not feasible, either he is ignorant or liar.

    Khalil

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  • karam ali
    Aug 5, 2012 - 3:52AM

    Pakistani people are so naive!!!!!…..God Bless Pakistan from fraud and corrupt people!!!!

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  • londonistani
    Aug 5, 2012 - 5:54AM

    i have no reason to doubt THE sincerity of Agha Waqar, but i must admit that our people are very judgmental/sentimental, no one bothered to properly test drive the car to validate the claim, which on table is as imaginary as one wishes it to be!!!!!!!

    i wish to see the comments of all these ministers and analysts when this blown-out-of-proportion bubble bursts…….

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  • londonistani
    Aug 5, 2012 - 6:07AM

    ……on that note, there are millions of vehicle out there who already run on water.
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    they are called “sailing boat”

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  • Observer
    Aug 5, 2012 - 6:32AM

    @Summer_Festival:

    “The technical father of bomb along with the political father Mr. Bhutto was the late Mr. Munir Ahmad Khan, a reactor engineer and Chairman of Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission 1972-1991.”

    Wrong! The bomb design was handed over to Pakistan by the Chinese. The critical step of concentrating the uranium using gas centrifuges, was based on the technology stolen by A.Q. Khan from Urenco, Holland, where he worked as a metallurgist.

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  • Khan
    Aug 5, 2012 - 7:02AM

    @mr. righty rightist:

    Exposition is not the same as exposing. Please check a dictionary.
    FYI,

    ex·po·si·tion
    noun
    1. a large-scale public exhibition or show, as of art or manufactured products: an exposition of 19th-century paintings; an automobile exposition.
    2. the act of expounding, setting forth, or explaining: the exposition of a point of view.
    3. writing or speech primarily intended to convey information or to explain; a detailed statement or explanation; explanatory treatise: The students prepared expositions on familiar essay topics.
    4. the act of presenting to view; display: The singer gave a splendid exposition of vocal talent.
    5. exposure ( def. 10 ) .

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  • abdul ahad
    Aug 5, 2012 - 7:25AM

    @zain… so u believe in waqar’s so called invention???Recommend

  • catfish
    Aug 5, 2012 - 8:13AM

    Even calling this fishy is really ignorant because it violates a scientific fact and as explained in the last paragraph, distilled water cannot be electrolysed because it has no ions and ionization occurs when an electrolyte such as sulphuric acid is added in a small amount. Only then the water can be broken into hydrogen and oxygen which raises the question of storage. Hydrogen is highly flammable and difficult to store.

    Besides that, you will continuously need to charge the battery because it will be used in the electrolysis process.

    Lastly, I wonder how a conventional engine can sustain internal combustion of hydrogen and not damage itself because hydrogen is highly explosive and FYI, its used as rocket fuel. Yes, it was used to power Saturn V, the strongest rocket ever built that took us to the moon.

    Read up some wikipedia if there’s any doubt about my claims. Its 8/9th grade science/physics.

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  • Dr Imran
    Aug 5, 2012 - 10:54AM

    if you search You tube water car kit you will see many cars running this all over the world

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  • Pakistani
    Aug 5, 2012 - 11:23AM

    @zK: What do you call those statements by CM punjab mentioning everyday about “Punjab” vs “Karachi” undermining PML(N)’s own rule when they sabotaged karachi’s importance as industrial and commercial hub? Get a life dude!

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  • Expatriate
    Aug 5, 2012 - 11:47AM

    Ministers,politicians ,many obsolete scientists ,and media have created a National Hero out of nothing.Will the government or has the government taken the following steps to protect this hero from enemies.
    1Foolproof protection by the best commandoes of the country against evil eyes of India and Israel.
    2 Anti Drone accommodation to him and his family,perhaps at presidency or PM house.
    3 Transfer half of 1.2 billions received from US to Aga so that he can convert air into fuel for the aircrafts and locomotives.PIA and Pak Railways need them.
    4Take measures to defeat expected sabotage by OPEC.
    5 Pass a bill against sou moto by any court.
    6 Name the place of his birth Agabad water kit wala.
    Finally apply for nobel peace prize.

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  • shiza
    Aug 5, 2012 - 12:03PM

    @American Desi: very true….

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  • Zafar Mehmood Khattak
    Aug 5, 2012 - 1:32PM

    @sadia: how you can say that he made a fraud.

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  • The Truth
    Aug 5, 2012 - 5:05PM

    Sadly the case of Jack and the Magic beans, oh wait, I mean Waqar and the magic Car, has less to do with degrees and science but rather this nations on massive insecurities. The elephant in the room that no one seems to want to talk about is evident from reading some of the comments that the general public leaves on sites like this. We are a nation has suffers from an inferiority complex. Every thing that occurs that is even slightly negative is someone else’s fault, be it politicians or other ethnic groups internally or foreign government’s externally. Subsequently any thing positive that occurs is massively blown out of proportion to the extent of national heroism. Our need to prove our worth to ourselves and to the world around us clouds our judgement. Is Waqar’s invention for real, I don’t know. The facts say its pretty unlikely. BMW has been producing a hydrogen powered 7 series for over a decade. So my message to the people of this nation is that remember, we are not an economic superpower, or a military superpower, or the greatest nation on earth, yet. But we can achieve this things with time and by embracing the realities as they exist, not as we would like them to be. Just a thought.Recommend

  • Kashi
    Aug 5, 2012 - 6:01PM

    I am living in Denmark and now Denmark have cars running on totally Electricity with the help of Petrol together but called as Electric cars. if Waqar’s first try is not successful then all other scientists should help each other to make this possible, If Pakistan can made Atom bomb then they can also made car running with water, by blaming each other is not a MATURE n HONEST PAKISTANI/ MUSLIM sign. well taking car not into NUST labs is making doubts that they dont wana show to other scientists, they should continue research on this project.
    This is not a wise point that other world is not sucessful to made water car, Make it possible if other cannt do it. in the end NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE…Try Try Again…

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  • JD
    Aug 5, 2012 - 8:57PM

    LOLs..AQ Khan exposed himself as fraud in this whole episode!! haha, well I knew it from the start. Anyways, this whole thing is turning in the right direction now. I think Agha waqar should be on trial for this fake claim!!

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  • Haji Rafiq A. Tschannen
    Aug 5, 2012 - 9:09PM

    As Pakistan is unable to celebrate the achievements of Prof. Dr. Abdus Salam, due to the fact that he belongs to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at, it is good for Pakistan to have found another scientific hero! Congratulations! I am looking forward to the day when the President of Pakistan will drive a Water-Driven-Car! I trust the inventor is ‘mainstream-sunni-Muslim-Pakistani and therefore an ‘acceptable hero’.

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  • Giri
    Aug 5, 2012 - 10:54PM

    @Karam ali
    Pakistani people are not naive. As an Indian, I see them extremely biased and loyal to anything or anyone that glorifies the sunni islamic view, even if it is through fraud. I am careful to say sunni islamic, because if a real glory appreciated by world over comes for a non-sunni and probably non-islamic from their view like Dr Salam, they will outrightly reject it and question.

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  • Cynical
    Aug 6, 2012 - 12:21AM

    People who are calling Agha Waqar all sorts of names, from fraudster to quack should know that nothing is impossible.
    His water kit might work if we believe hard enough. After all it was possible to create humans from a lump of clay.

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  • JD
    Aug 6, 2012 - 1:32AM

    ME: HEY every body!! I have created a kit that runs engine on air!!
    POLITICIAN: HUH?? what?? REALLY??
    ME: Yes, I am ready to demonstrate. Come sit in my car…
    POLTICIAN (drives car): WOW!! This is pure pakistani talent.. um..but why are you showing me this??
    ME(smirking): Well..you just delegate me funds to develop national project and I will provide you commission…what say??
    POLTICIAN: AHH!! Nice one!! well I like you..but are you a sunni?
    ME: Ofcourse..
    POLITICIAN: and whats your cast??
    ME: Sindh khappy khappy khappy!!
    POLITICIAN: Well I dont find any reason not to help you…to start off..we need some fame!!
    ME: yeah!! I have already called Hammid Mir..He is on his way!! You gather some of your fellas..
    POLITICIAN’S ADVISOR: But sir we first need to get it checked up by experts!!
    POLITICIAN: HUH?? Are you stupid!! You think I am lame not to catch fraud!! You are fired!!
    ME: Oh yeah!!

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  • Ghassan Khan
    Aug 6, 2012 - 9:37AM

    If A Q Khan doubts the basic laws of thermodynamics than I have reason to believe we possess a massive arsenal of fire crackers instead of nuclear warheads.

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  • DrA.K,Tewari
    Aug 6, 2012 - 1:25PM

    A Islamic republic will never accept the Darwin’s law of evolution and natural selection . In the same manner the law of thermodynamics has no value for them .

    A religiously blind community hardly believe on scientific facts .

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  • Dr. Asad sadick, Germany
    Aug 6, 2012 - 4:51PM

    Whats the problem. Why don’t we get the blessed car tested?

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  • rehan siddiqui
    Aug 6, 2012 - 6:57PM

    I take a bow to our crooked politicians and media for making Pakistan a laughable country through this water run car story by an engineer. What one could expect where a chief minister calls a fake degree a degree and a minister claims that it is his right to mint money through corruption. God help this country from such men men.

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  • Zia
    Aug 6, 2012 - 9:49PM

    @Awans:
    Absolutely spot on. Unfortunately, in our country, these “heads” and “fathers” of different programs and institutes are always there by political means. The real heroes never get their due credit:(

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  • Hamza
    Aug 6, 2012 - 11:47PM

    A person who comes up on the media and fearlessly introduces his innovation must have something in his hands! I watched the talk show in which Agha Waqar was invited and Dr. Rehman was taken on the phone. I know Agha is not a very literate person and he didn’t actually know about physics much but let me ask a question! Aren’t there any inventions in the past that happened accidently and the inventor not even knowing exactly how he is doing it? There are many of such examples! Aren’t there any theories of science that proved wrong at sometimes and then replaced by new ones? The problem happened with Agha was that he did a mistake in this country where the big daddies never allow someone from a low level to come up and stand infront of them claiming he is better in the field they are working in since years! They put mental pressures on such people and suppress them by all means. My request is that please don’t judge someone by a single action. Just think that a few days back he was confidently accepting that he would go to any forum to demonstrate his stuff so what would have happened that all of a sudden he changed his stance!

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  • Morons
    Aug 8, 2012 - 12:44AM

    @Hamza: Do you still read fables?? Start reading technology..accidental construction has never happened!!

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  • Jawwad Hafeez
    Aug 8, 2012 - 12:47PM

    Well it is 2012 and not 1712, science is very well established now and there is little or I would say no room left for accidental discoveries at this scale, e.g. someone finds a miracle fuel that defies laws of physics and thermodynamics, this is sheer nonsense.

    Ironically as a nation we are used to mock science, suspect every thing, consider every one our enemy, believe in mafias, superstitions, fraudulent treatments of serious illnesses and so on. Our vision is so distorted and limited that we can’t see beyond our nose. I would not be astonished if someone comes up with as absurd an idea as running a car with black magic, and media and ppl do not believe it. The roots of such beliefs exist in years of our incapacity and lethargy

    For this gentleman I guess he is trying to run his car not on water but probably Acetylene generated by mixing Calcium Carbide and Water or something like that. In one of the videos I saw a black tube on the rear seat of his car and on his car’s top as well, something similar to what gas welders use in Pakistan.

    A similar scam surfaced in other countries as well where some sort of a salt mixed with water would produce a gas and run the car. But they were all very dangerous and use at your own risk type scams.
    Mr. Waqar might not be able to prove his claim but might prove that we can have an inferno
    on ground equivalent in scale to Zepplin of the 1940s.

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  • Sexton Blake
    Aug 9, 2012 - 7:48AM

    @Jawwad Hafeez:

    Dear Jawwad Hafeez,
    I would not want you to think that I am disagreeing with you you, because my scientific knowledge is at the the same level as most of the other contributors; excluding yours of course. The other aspect that has prevented me from contributing more than usual is that the E. T. moderators do not wish me to contribute too often. However, there does appear to be some types of technology available that would indicate there are fuel options available, and although they do not necessarily indicate a massive breakthrough in simplistic available fuel technology, they do indicate the presence of new thinking. For example during WW2 cars were fed by gas bags; more lately Brown’s Gas technology has become available; also water injection has appeared and of course oxy/hydrogen, which I think BMW has been testing. I am not suggesting they are a replacement for gas/petrol, but we certainly have to look for one, and with that in mind we should not have closed minds on the topic..

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  • Abduallh Warsi P.E
    Aug 11, 2012 - 4:04PM

    Water has Hydrogen gas and Petrol has same gas too. In petrol car, battery runs fuel pump and in Agha’s car the current that is used for fuel pump is used to crack water into gases. His new method is new invention and ABSOLUTELY NOT ELECTROLYSIS. U cannot activate electrolysis in distilled water.

    It is absolutely not necessary to have Ph.D or B.E Engg in order to invent. the biggest inventor of history Thomas Edison was neither a Ph.D nor have B.E Engg. This is fact that most of great inventors were not well versed in theory of sciences. They were just Technicians/Technologists like Agha.

    Agha is not well versed in theory but yet have brought mother of all inventions. This is ABSOLUTELY NOT ELECTROLYSIS but a new technique. A liter water has energy equal to millions of KW too if u understand what I mean-fusion. in distilled water.IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT ELECTROLYSIS because battery cannot run car through electrolysis.

    The biggest proof of TRUTH is practical demonstration of invention in front of people which is eye witness through observation. That what Agha has already done. In Agha’s system, his invention provided trigger for reaction, then that reaction is almost self-Sustaining. To change it from “Almost Self-Sustaining” to “SUSTAINING”, It need periodical push from car battery. But that push is in milliamps and so small that it is less than the current that car radio uses. I will not yet disclose secrets of this invention though I know it fully. In his method Agha’s team provides trigger to start reaction & after, that reaction can be sustained with very very little current from battery. Consider example of Kerosene lamp. You start/lit it once by a little fire; then that works itself. only you have to add kerosene periodically to continue it. Instead of kerosene of this example in Agha’s Kit is needed very little current in milli-amps and more distilled water periodically so that it continues.

    In past people has blended gas with petrol to reduce cost of Petrol but no one ever succeeded to replace petrol 100%by water. Agha is the first person who has done so and his invention is clear a TRUTH.Recommend

  • M.Awais
    Aug 29, 2012 - 11:43PM

    I was totally astonished at the endorsement for so called water kit from so called Engr. Agha Waqar Ahmed by our national heroes. Well the fact is truly that these so called national heroes aren’t the real heroes but those Engineer and Scientist in NESCOM who work all the way. They’re the real heroes but its a misery of our nation that our heroes live hand to mouth while these crocodiles takes all the credit away :(

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  • Malik Mansoob Khan
    Aug 29, 2012 - 11:59PM

    @mirealistic:
    very nice like our stupid scientist which did nothing for nation at now. The responsibility of the seniors is that if some one make so firstly check then give some suggestion but here i m looking nonsense. They are not appreciating to him. sorry……….

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  • fawad
    Aug 30, 2012 - 10:47AM

    i don’t know why people saying he is fraud he is not taken money from government or other agencies or from people all money from pocket,second problem he is graduate from polytechnic and engineers and scientist is jealous ,i know the knowledge of Pakistani engineers in Canada i know lots of Pakistani engineering not clear professorial engineer exam due mashallah well knowledge ,80% engineer driving a taxi, why 90 % work of engineer perform chouta (juniors or technician)

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  • Atif Ali
    Aug 30, 2012 - 6:22PM

    Dear Agha Sahib, If you really used LC circuit then frequency of your circuit should be about 1150 GHz, if so then I can prove your setup on scientific theoretical basis,

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  • M.Awais
    Sep 1, 2012 - 9:49AM

    @Zain shamim jalali:
    don’t speak if you don’t know anything. Whatever has been said about A Q Khan is true and he is not a nuclear scientist.
    And don’t compare laws of thermodynamics with religion.

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