ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan said on Wednesday that Pakistan’s creation had been pointless if the country fails to become an Islamic welfare state.
Speaking during a press conference in Islamabad, Khan said that the failure of Pakistan becoming an Islamic welfare state will be a deception for all Muslims residing in India, because Pakistan was “formed on the very basis of becoming an Islamic welfare state.”
The PTI chairman said that there was no concept of welfare states in Europe and that they had taken this concept from the Muslim world. “They formed all the Scandinavian states based on this concept. They call it Omar’s law there. We need to bring our culture back to our own land.”
Speaking on the issue of drone strikes, Khan said that he was happy to see former US president Jimmy Carter’s criticism on the drone attacks. “Carter openly criticised [US President Barack] Obama’s drone campaign and termed it as assassination. He said that it was not only a violation of international laws but also humanitarian laws.”
“We have seen the Pakistani parliament’s resolution coming into place against drones, it is accepted worldwide that the drone campaign is wrong and the public support for it is on a downward spiral.”
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Imran Khan is absolutely correct. But more importantly we as a nation must have the common sense to stand up in the face of oppression and have the courage to say NO MORE. Only when we pakistanis have the dignity and self belief to stop acquiescing to other countries demands and the strength of character and determination to break the begging bowl of foreign aid will we as a nation truly rise.Sure this is the most difficult path to follow, but with faith and help of almighty Allah we can overcome all our difficulties. Our people are immensely talented and hard working and given half a chance can make the world their oyster. I believe that Imran has the strength of character to potentially change the country's direction for the future, however there are a few personal traits which need to be considered.I pray that Almighty Allah send us a great leader to change our destiny.for the better and rid us of our corrupt leaders .........ameen
@Ravi Mohan: Totally agree with you. Today I salute Pt. Nehru and Sardar Patel. What foresightedness they displayed by precipitating the creation of Pakistan.
@Saad Saeed: Nope. The majority of Pakistani nation love IK as they too are thoroughly confused just like him. Also they find it difficult to think and face reality, instead falling on cheap slogans in the hope of escaping their self created problems.
i agree with Imran Khan only on this point!!!
@Ordinary Villager: LOL are you afraid of islamic laws my friend ? hmm ? islam is the religion of peace . equality and brotherhood . we need an islamic state. period
p.s: Ikhan is human he can and have different stance at different time, he has to meet n have to keep good relations with all the world including turkey and mind you he appraised growth and prosperity of turkey not the religion or anti religion philosphy. .
This guy is a looser ... he doesn't know what is right and what is wrong.... he just loves to make speculations.... inshort he's always looking for controversial publicity that all .... I just wish he comes and shows the real him .... secondly those who support him shud get ready for the lashes first coz we need to look into our pasts first...... Good luck to Imran Khan and his aimless and the most illiterate supporters....
@umer: In less then 150 years or so from the inception of Islam, 2/3 of the then known and inhabited multicontinental, lingual, cultural, and social world, right up to the Austrian borders, came under the single banner of ''There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger", and cumulatively ruled the world for about 2,100 years (Andulusian, Mughal, and the Usmanian Khilafat)...so the True Islam and the Pakistan Constitution guarantees: "Wherein the Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres in accordance with the teachings and requirements of Islam as set out in the Holy Quran and Sunnah; Wherein adequate provision shall be made for the minorities freely to profess and practise their religions and develop their cultures"; so, don't worry Umer...we only need true, sincere and practising 'implimentors' of Islam and our Constitution, to effectively legislate...
@usmanx: True and accurate analyses! They should visit the radiant and vibrant port city of Karachi, to corroborate your factual statements themselves!!! Thank you Usman!
@ezaz: Yes, you do have my 'ezaz', well said!
The current system of Government in Pakistan in 2012 is "Dementiacracy", and not "Democracy", as opposed to "Theocracy", which is embedded in the Pakistan's Constitution which is (should be) based on the Qur'an and the Sunnah with the Majlis-e-Shurah being elected by the people, and for the people who are all well versed in the Qur'an and the Sunnah to really understand the practicable efficacy of an Islamic Theocratic form of Government!
welfare state with equal rights for all its citizen ................doesnt matter if it is called islamic or swedish whatever, whats is a name anyway
@Cynical: Imran doesn't know a thing; he is being played by you know who.
Apparently IK knows what sells in Pakistan.Can't blame him, if he succeeds.
Imran Khan, its true that most of us want to see Pakistan as true Islamic Republic. Only you dare to say... All other leaders that i have seen follow the trends... you are the only trend setter!!!
We know what you mean... the base is Islam and all are equal in the eyes of law. thats it!
IK You are English educated but this is the meaning of a welfare state (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a system in which the government undertakes the chief responsibility for providing for the social and economic security of its population, usually through unemployment insurance, old-age pensions, and other social-security measures
Islamic Welfare State is a new concept, Please let us know what is Islamic welfare State.. Pakistan has no oil to finance and country is controlled by wadaras,Peers,Majavers and landlords.
Imran khan is nothing to do with the welfare of people he is using all popular rhetoric of Pakistan to gain power i.e anti-Americanism anti-Indianian, Islamism etc.
Creation of Pakistan was pointless anyway.
On one side tribune (this news media) encourage public opinion n views, at the same time useful suggestions or advise (off course constructive) but pointing certain out of line or exaggerated remarks of Mr. Imran's seems dent suit the appetite of tribune-if views are abusive one can understand but if it only point out that he needs to says things close to reality can't be considered abusive. If such a censorship is carried out at this stage/if it's encouraged by PTI than our we looking forward another dictarial regime of democratic one? Media should ask this question to themselves.
I request IK to elaborate about his concept of "Islamic Welfare State". Since in history we can not find such state on this earth. From where he gets inspiration of such weird, non-practical concept? By declaring such vague thoughts IK proves himself as NAIVE leader. It looks he is dying for power and he switches from here to there. In karachi on 25th December 2011, he wished christians - Happy Christmas, and tried to tell us that he is not mullah. However, now he is frightening us. Please IK, come out from the influence of Hamid Gul
The creator of Pakistan Mr. Jinnah was a secular person in ideology and in practice. How come I can believe he wanted to create a purely theological or what we call now an Islamic state. If we have to fit into the comity of Nations then we have to have a progressive attitude otherwise as a nation we will remain poor and remote.
Look around us how how fast countries are growing even Islamic states like Gulf countries because they have adopted progressive attitude retaining their culture and identity.
If we want to get rid of poverty we will have to change our attitude and think progressive otherwise no one will hand us over a welfare state in a platter,at least no politician.
Have yet to see a more foolish, confused and hypocritical man. IK is as dangerous as the tsunami he often talks about! He contradicts himself all the time and has no clue about politics or Religion. What does he mean by Islamic welfare? Cliches and rhetoric abound in all his utterances. IK, honesty or rather, the perception of honesty( since it has not been tested so far) is not the answer to everything. You need some brains to go with it, unfortunately! Sorry, but the grey cells are in short supply here.......and good looks can't take you very far either!
Whether a cocept of Islamic welfare state of not. Pakistan's creation is not justified in any sense. Nor was the partition a shara'ee obligation.
can anybody answer:
In whose hands you left the graves of your forefathers ?
On whose responsibility you left the mosques ?
and mind you, the concept of so called Hijrat that you are taught since childhood is all false. There was no necessity for it and the crores of Muslims living in India bear its testimony.
So what is wrong with Welfare with Islamic prefix? Why Prefix of Islam is suitable for Terrorism and fundamentalism and all the negative terminologies, why can’t a Muslims living in a welfare state according to highest Islamic ethical system call it Islamic Welfare state ?
Welfare is the provision of a minimal level of wellbeing and social support for all citizens. A state is a political organization with a centralized government that maintains a monopoly of the legitimate use of force within a certain territory. The concepts of welfare and pension were introduced in early Islamic law as forms of Zakat (charity), one of the Five Pillars of Islam (Wikipedia). According to Iqbal’s 1930 address “I would like to see the Punjab, North-West Frontier Province, Sind and Baluchistan amalgamated into a single State. Self-government within the British Empire, or without the British Empire, the formation of a consolidated North-West Indian Muslim State appears to me to be the final destiny of the Muslims, at least of North-West India” (Wikipedia)
@Ali:
Why you think Qaid left congress ? he was a b believer of Indian nationalism for quite some time. which by definition means that people of subcontinent i.e. Indians as one nation including every religion. Why you think he parted his way
@Ordinary Villager:
He is not pro Taliban he just have this stance that there is not going to be any military solution of this problem and he has mentioned this time and again. The Americans are leaving Afghanistan substantiates his claim
Imran I was your supporter. NOT ANY MORE. you are very confused person. At present you are not even fit to be Capitan of Pakistan Cricket team. Please leave politics to the corrupt politicians and Pakistan army.
@Ordinary Villager: I agree with you. Imran Khan is confused on this point. While I think he is a decent man and I wish him success in changing Pakistan for the better, he forgets that Pakistan is a nation because the people wanted a homeland apart from the British. If he wants to be under British rule as a colony if Pakistan can't be a welfare state, that's his opinion but I don't want to be a British colony again despite the challenges Pakistan has.
"'Pakistan's creation pointless if it fails to become *Islamic welfare state'"*
That is code word for turning Pakistan into a fundamentalist Sunni Sharia state.
He knows that you can't win in Pakistan unless you preface any type of state or system with the term 'Islamic'. He is very politically shrewd.
Honestly, I would like to see anyone step up and try to secularise Pakistan. Such a drastic change will only bring about unwanted violence against the minorities. It will take generations before we're ready. One step at a time, educate the people first and then expect them to make decisions without religious influence. Plus, who says an Islamic state is going to bring about hardship for the minorities? It's the incompetent government that's at fault. Be patient, Liberals. Pakistan can't adopt similar ideologies to India over night.
@someone: Wow, have you ever seen a newspaper? Where is Europe right now? In a lot of debt and on the brink of a widespread economic collapse. So yeah.
People hold high hopes because they see some one who bring breath of fresh air. Leadership quality includes right words to be selected n used at a right time; Emotional out burst, irresponsible claims, promising perfect system or environments like wise sentences raises more questions than answers; Politics demands compromise (it's not a game of Lone Rider), respecting others views, joining hands to achieve certain goals for one self n for the followers Success need team work, consistency, reasoning etc etc. Mr. Imran please feel the thrust of 180-million, their needs, hopes, show them light/walk them to it. Such steps may help you n than the nation, who want someone to help lead them NOT by which they start questioning their own existence. Thanks
Pakistan can't even balance its budget and pay her debt obligations and Imran Khan is advocating a welfare state?
Pakistani's are already some of the laziest people I have encountered and now he wants a powerful central government that well give hand-outs to those who are too lazy to work for themselves?
Next!
I am waiting for the time when IK becomes head of state and implement sharia with the help of taliban and then I would like to see these young blood commenting on laptop while listening to English/Indian music, going out in a while with female friends etc etc, that how they will be forced to have beards and women in door forever, working in only HALAL places, listening to Quran only tvs and radio...having lashes every other day for doing something normal....and then they would cry saying we have electricity and no crime rate but we need FREEDOM!!!!!lol I cant stop laughing thinking about these extremely stupid and short visioned supporters of IK!!!
Waiting with bated breath for IK's islamic revenue generation model to fund his populist nonsense called the islamic welfare state and thanks ayesha khan for the reality check.I feel sick when I hear these populist leaders promise the sun, moon, and paradise to their votebank only to gain power.People are stupid to imagine that welfare state means free stuff like free education,medicines,food and shelter because in the real world everything costs Money.
What will actually happen is that any government which tries to run a welfare state will have to generate revenues and the only sure way to do that is by increasing TAX.IN a country like Pakistan where per capita income is so low it means that even in order to provide basic welfare like free food and education to all poor the government will need to tax in excess of 45%.Add to that when government is procuring and distributing all the resources like food,furniture and equipment for school,cement,brick steel for school construction etc it would mean large scale Corruption".
The best thing a government can do is to TAX less so that people have money to spend and when they spend money for consuming products and services it will create jobs in the manufacturing and the service industry thereby helping the economy to grow and create jobs which over time will reduce poverty.
Waiting with bated breath for IK's islamic revenue generation model to fund his populist nonsense called the islamic welfare state and thanks ayesha khan for the reality check.I feel sick when I hear these populist leaders promise the sun, moon, and paradise to their votebank only to gain power.People are stupid to imagine that welfare state means free stuff like free education,medicines,food and shelter because in the real world everything costs Money.
What will actually happen is that any government which tries to run a welfare state will have to generate revenues and the only sure way to do that is by increasing TAX.IN a country like Pakistan where per capita income is so low it means that even in order to provide basic welfare like free food and education to all poor the government will need to tax in excess of 45%.Add to that when government is procuring and distributing all the resources like food,furniture and equipment for school,cement,brick steel for school construction etc it would mean large scale Corruption".
The best thing a government can do is to TAX less so that people have money to spend and when they spend money for consuming products and services it will create jobs in the manufacturing and the service industry thereby helping the economy to grow and create jobs which over time will reduce poverty.
Just checked on the ET poll. 68% support Imran Khan's proposals. Stupid ! Stupid ! Stupid ! We just dumb and getting dumber.
I think Pakistan should try full fledged Sharia instead of half baked democracy or Islamic Welfare State.
its sucha pity people who oppose him call themselves muslim n even dont know the true ideology of islam based on tolerance n moderation n what is the concept of a walfare state in islam..what it actually means...these so called westernised n liberals dont know what is their worth in societies they love to follow...n one thing more plz stop blaming..he has never supported taliban..only thing he wants is to bring them to the table..n talk to them..war is not the solution to any problem..
@Ordinary Villager: Disagree with you and with these 300+ people there agreeing with you. 'Islamic Welfare State is different than 'Islamic State' with Sheria Law
Complete gibberish, and IK supporters need to wake up. He has simply decided to position himlself as a moderate Islamist and will make these sorts of comments to woo a certain constituency. His policies will be controlled by Rawalpindi, and his protestations of peace with neighbouring countries will be meaningless. And he will retire unhappy, blaming the Deep State for his inability to promote his contradictory objectives. It's all marketing by the Establishment my Pakistani friends; the only real national parties are PPP and PML-N.
Neither Imran nor his followers know what to say and what to do. What is meant by Islamic welfare state? Please explain Imran Khan sahib?
@p r sharmal: Can you define "Simple Welfare State"?
@Tahir Alyana said: "Another Muhammad Ali Jinnah in the making" Are you saying another partition is in the offing?
Not sure on this one, but definitely without doubt always support PTI leader Imran Khan
Cool so can we easily go back to India please . all indian muslims come here to Pakistan & allow to go back as we made a HUGE Mistake by coming here
I agree with Imran. At least first half of the sentence is true.
@Ordinary Villager: the point IK wanted to take home was that the idea of creating Pakistan is very much based on the philosophy of developing a society under Islamic laws. I wonder why people take KSA and Iran as the role models for that. Talking with Taliban does not mean that one supports them. Where on earth these logics stem, please give me an idea!
Pakistan was supposed to be a secular state.
Khan, like many in Pakistan, fails to interpret the actual reason for Jinnah to create Pakistan. Pakistan was created for Muslims as a nation. Nationalism was then the order of the day, and Pakistan was meant to be a state where Muslims as people of a unified nation could live without fear and discrimination -- which was rampant in pre-Partition India. Hence, Pakistan was made for Muslims, not for Islam to reign over everything. There is a huge difference between being 'Muslim' and 'Islamic' -- Khan should be careful of his interpretation of history. Alas, he wasn't careful enough and he just lost my vote.
True enough maybe the TTP will contribute their loot from bank robberies and kidnapping and some money from the Shaikhs towards this "welfare state", that is money not being spent on state of the art weaponry.Thats your best option in a country where everyone is taxed except those who should be.
Yes drones are not a great solution , but if they are getting the people responsible for killing and maiming and beheading innocents then im not sure there is sense in stopping them untill you have a better plan. It doesnt appear that you do.
Islamic welfare provides an ideal environment for both welfare of the masses and balanced, optimum incentives for facilitating individual entrepreneurship, avoiding the inequity that always comes with capitalism alone.
Lassiez-faire economics has not worked. Welfare States have been abandoned in Europe. It is not going to work in Pakistan either since it is an outdated concept.
The only way countries can succeed is through individual enterpreneurship facilitated by the State. Rest everything is a vote-catching tactics.
Firm ground work to that realization already exists in our Constitution. Quoting the honorable Mr. Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, Chief Justice of The Supreme Court of The Islamic Republic of Pakistan: “I can say with utmost respect that they cannot legislate any law repugnant to the Constitution and injunctions of Islam and contrary to fundamental laws.”! Unquote.
More power to you Mr. Imran Khan, keep up the good work! The good, are right behind you, and in full support. PAKISTAN ZINDA and PAINDABAD!!!
How poorly informed most Pakistanis remain about the glorious history of Islam is evident from their surprise discovering the Islamic roots of Scandinavian welfare state, Western rule of law, and modern political thinking in successful states. By remaining mired in local practices Pakistanis have failed to benefit from the universal, liberating light of Islam.
Time has come when only those who promise to make Islam absolutely supreme not just in words but also in deeds are supported by Pakistani people. The 5000 year-long wait for God's true law to shape their own lives and collective life of their society must succeed.
@Ordinary Villager: What I understand from his statements is the past examples of where ever muslims ruled as a welfare states and the living example of muslim country (Turkey) as a tolerant society. I do not see any confusion here and hope it will help you to come out of it.
Reality check - Look at Pakistanis in the UK and how they abuse the UK welfare state. They shameless live of the state benefits. Ask anyone who has visited the UK and seen how British Pakistanis live in cities like Bradford. I tell you Pakistani welfare state will be a thousand times worse. Imran Khan is a shameless populist who does not know the ABCD about economics. Sure we have oil reserves double the size of Saudi Arabia to fund this stupidity. Are we so desperate that we have to chose a cricketer. Pakistan is almost bankrupt and Imran Khan's utopian dreams will be the final blow in the destruction of Pakistan.
Imran Khan deserves to be complimented for his assertion that the creation of Pakistan is pointless if it fails to become an Islamic Welfare State.The Father of the Nation, Mohamed Ali Jinnah envisaged Pakistan to be a truly Islamic State,whose primary function was to uplift the Social and Economic conditions of the masses through the state intervention in the fields of economic and social development.So far that objective has not been achieved.Since Imran Khan has pledged to strive towards the realization of that goal he deserves to be given an opportunity.
Ik please can you explain What is culture of Pakistan? Is it before 1947 or after 1947. Don't people have follow up question to complete the meaning of his statement. I am bit confuse about this culture thing. A: if it before 1947 then Indian right wing are right about greater India B: If it after 1947 then Pakistan right wing are right. Which one you prefer 5000 year of history & culture. or 65 year of history & destruction of basic fundamental of human rights. ET please I think it is valid question so don't censor it. Singh
A great leader! Shame really, that nobody in Pakistan has seriously tried to follow Islam all these years. Imran tum age badho, pakistan tumhare sath hai.
He is absolutely correct, but the if clause is avoidable.
And keep India's Muslims out this. They have nothing to do with it.
Let Pakistan be a Welfare State. Please do not add any religious tinge otherwise it will be a confused State and nothing else.
Welfare state well and good, howevere times have changed. The Pakistani Youth no doubt would prefer a secular state instead of religious one.
Religion should be kept seperate from state, popular idea of the developed countries.
Welcome to the band wagon of people who say things for political mileage whether or not if there is any truth to it. If you had attended any history classes in Aitchison college, rather than playing cricket all the time, you might have learnt that Pakistan was not created as an 'Islamic Welfare State' by QA. QA envisioned Pakistan as a secular state where people of all casts, creed or religious beliefs could live in freedom of their views. State itself has a responsibility of taking care of its citizens, it does bot have to be a welfare state to do that. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Well, like they say - politics is a dirty game. I just did not think the great Imran Khan would stoop down so low. I had high hopes from him after his "Secular Pakistan" speech. tch tch
Its a good comedy but unfortunately only a tragedy in the making.
Well Mr khan and JI have a same stance and policies against minorities of Pakistan. They talk about Indian Muslims and they don't see shia genocide in Pakistan. Banned organisations are their voters and supporters they openly say shia kafir but Mr khan is concerned about Indian Muslims who never asked for their help and support. Taliban from different countries and nationalities are in waziristan and they say stop drones they are killing innocent Pakistanis.If drones are threat to sovereignty of Pakistan what are these foreign militants and alqaida.
@Ibrahim Afridi: "I live in Scanadanvia and I know wat he is talking about. SO stop criticising IK "
SO if you live in Scandinavia, please tell me if the following is true or not 1. In Scandinavia , welfare is available to ALL not just Christians. 2. The average tax to GDP ratio of Scandinavian countries is 45% (as compared to 9% for Pakistan) 3. The average tax to GDP ratio spent on defence is lessthan0.5% as compared to 3% for Pakistan. 4. Taking points 2 and 3 - In Scandinavian countries about 1.1 % of tax revnue is spent n defense vs. 33% in Pakistan. 5. Tolerance is the heart of Scandinavian countries. It is necessary to not have a lot of internal dissension for people to feel motivated to give such a large chunk of their salaries as taxes. In Pakistan there is discrimnation on the basis of religion, language, gender, sexual preference. Thus not just is there adequate space for people's religious beliefs in Scandinavian countries including people who are atheists, but adequate space for sexual preference and lifestyle choices. Homosexuality is not just tolerated but gay marriage is legal, more than 50% of kids are born out of wedlock and the women's fathers do not kill them due to 'honour'. 6. The countries have a low fertility rate and hence a small population.
What does welfare state mean? Whether Islamic or otherwise, it means that people’s wellbeing, security and rights are protected. When Imran Khan says Islamic welfare state, I hope he does not imply to have sharia as our constitution. When he makes reference to Scandinavia, I become very comfortable with his agenda. Those countries and all other Western countries have in fact adopted Islamic values of fairness, justice, equality and protection of rights. Is there any Islamic country that can claim to have all those values? Imran Khan is right to bring back those values in our society. But first he has to revamp all the colonial governing systems: police, civil service and local governments.
well according to the latest pew survey imran khan is the most popular leader in Pakistan.... I have a very strong feeling imran khan's time has come.. whether you agree with him or disagree with him he is honest and will work his heart to life pakistan
@Sarang Qazi: Ever heard of Charles XII of Norway and his exile in the Ottoman Empire. Ever heard of the office of "Högste Ombudsmannen" he made 1713. Which was derived from the Ottoman post of Diwan i Mazalim which was derived from Qadi-alqadat of Khalifa Omars time. This was the basis of the concept of Separation of powers the fountain head of modern Parliamentary democracy. Unfortunately in 60's years we couldnt even achieve this basic democratic tenet. Our Cargo cult "democracy" is based on strange strange personality cults ruled by a gang of kleptocrats.
People seem to be ignorant on the concept of an 'Islamic welfare state', which is very different from an Islamic Sharia state. Like IK said: Sweden is the 'Islamic welfare state' we want to become, not Saudi Arabia (which is a Sharia state).
Two different concepts.
by looking at the amount of comments and the poll conducted by et it seems like imran khan has won already....
sorry secular! imran has the habit of putting it a spade a spade.
For my Pakistani family Islamic republic of Pakistan with sharia law and jirga power and for Imran khan family secular,and liberal England. Jamat islami and PTI have same agenda. using Religon to get votes
But i find that majority of Pakistanis that live abroad live on dole/welfare/handouts. They are the handouts elite. PTI would have to change the handout mindset though as everyone just generally wants things for free.
@Ordinary Villager: , It seems you're actually confused about him. He talks about what the Islamist party did to revive Turkey being his model - what Erdogan and his Islamist party did in the past decade. They are modernized, part of NATO, have great relations with the US, but they are still Islamist. He never talked about modeling secular Turkey. Secular Models in the Muslim world have been utter failures.
Totally agree with imran.
Chaudhry iftikhar and maulana nawaz shareef would be the ones happy, we are happy with what we have, in few days IK would say he doesn't believes in electoral system. :D
Imran Khan is the perfect leader for Pakistan.
In late 60s and early 70s Bhutto mesmerised Pakistanis with his Islamic Musawat slogan.What he delivered is not worth discussing.It seems history is repeating itself.Roughly 50 years later we hear Imran khan promising to Pakistanis,the voters of winter (according to him)general election,he will make the country a Islamic Welfare State. Noble thought no doubt but what will it cost?180million people,about 25percent unemployed and govt debt mounting every minute,there is hardy anything available for even free education upto matric.By the way many European countries with social security system are now slashing expenses from this sector as they can not afford to finance further from borrowed money. Why Pakistan was created will always be debated with no outcome.Important thing is what has become of the Pakistan and where you want to see it.With opportunist politicians we have in abundance one can see only dark clouds.Now let's have the emotional views please.
...yet another stereotypical muhhal in liberal disguise! khan sb your idea of Pakistan is stereotyped, you're not supposed to lead this pluralistic & diversified nation... your match is fixed, you'll certainly be nabbed
IK Never ever Supported Taliban but criticized the way the whole Issues was handled . America spent 1000 Billion Dollar in Afghanistan and have control of only 30-40% Afghanistan. A bankrupt country like Pakistan cant afford to fight any wars with Taliban or India or any one else. We are begging US for 1 Billion Dollar Annually where as they are spending 88 Billion dollar in Afghanistan This year And still not able to beat Taliban. Do you still think Fighting makes Sense?
@Ordinary Villager , Dont confuse yourself and people.. If your concepts are not clear that doesn't mean IK is Wrong , As per constitution pakistan is a Islamic State , Its called "Islamic Republic of Pakistan" and no law can be made Against Islam. We are not a welfare state who hands out payments etc to poor and Jobless. When he gives Turkish Example he means how they have progressed economically and politically not about adopting their system.
@Ordinary Villager:
You are CONFUSED and mixing the terms 'ISLAMIC WELFARE" and "ISLAMIC SHARIA". In his reference to Scandinavian countries he mentioned that they choose "WELFARE" concept from Islam and Hazrat Umar RA's rule. State looking after the WELFARE and well being of its citizens such as providing quality free education for all, health care, justice is not a bad idea at all. Just that we have left these values and ones who adopted them are successful. During Hazrat Umar RA's rule an infant was given a stipend, guess what all Welfare countries in the world do that. Countries in Scandinavian region and Canada are few examples.
Hope this clarifies YOUR CONFUSION.
Just a note and breaking news for Imran - His friends, the Taliban have issued a video showing heads of 17, NOT 7, 17 Pak Army soldiers.
Now he should go and talk to his friends. Of course we don't accept any condemnation or Tsunami march from PTI on this minor matter of beheading of 17 Pakistani soldiers.
To the Indians here once again bragging about Indian Muslims... do you really want to compare the conditions of Indian Muslims versus Muhajirs?
Muhajirs have 100% literacy rate in Pakistan. They have climbed to top position in governance, media, education, military, commerce, culture, entertainment.. For decades they held key positions in all government postings. They have some of the highest per capita income in the country.
Not even CLOSE to Indian Muslims condition... Read your Sachar Report.
So stop bragging on our paper.
@Ordinary Villager: you are the one who is confused..... he talks about the AK party in Turkey and erdogan's revolution.
2) Welfare society doesnt translate to Wahabism like saudi arabia.
3) He supported talking with TTP because even US is talking with them. Attacking your own people with Helicopters creates more enemies. Talks is the only solution to bring them into the fold.
The confused will stay confused ...Imran khans message is crystal clear to those who understand him.
@Ordinary Villager: You are wrong! Sharia is not Saudia or Iran necessarily, it is the (liberal) first Muslim state of Madinah. IK talks about (secular) Turkey's economic, not social model. Khan talks about connecting with the Taliban and extremists, and now everyone is doing that: Pak, Afghan, US government.
'Pakistan's creation pointless if it fails to become Islamic (sharia) state' - khalifa Imran Khan . I swear, just a few hours before him I wrote the same thing in a comment on ET on some Taliban news (starting with jinnah and also including Imran Khan's name and without using any kind of abusive language). Moderators blocked my comment!
Islamic welfare state was created in Afghanistan and we are all seeing the end result. Imran Khan, don't be to smart to misguide the people.
Not an IK or PTI supporter but I absolutely agree with the statement. My grandparents did not migrate leaving their families, land and inheritance behind to live in another secular state. If we wanted to live in a secular state we would have been better off staying behind in India which still has more Muslims right now than Pakistan (250mil vs Pakistan's 180mil) Everyone I ask and know who put in sacrifices for creation of Pakistan did it because we Muslims wanted our own Islamic welfare state. Before the liberals try to without much sucess distort facts and raise Islamophobia hue and cry. Let me tell you all the dictators except for Zia have been seculars. And even the dictators in most of the Arab World were/are secular. Turkey is right doing much better under the Islamic Government than it was under the previous secular governments. So lets hope things similar improve for Pakistan too!!
Ask the Muslims of India whether they wish to migrate to Pakistan.You will be surprised at the response.
Every one is welcome to join on PTI agenda and manifesto. And there is no point in marginalizing any community, group or ethnicity. We can agree on disagreement on many things but if the purpose is public welfare, justice for all and development and anti-corruption then lets work together. Why we are wasting time in Sunni, Shia, Deobandi, Barallevi... and these are our personal preferences and has nothing to do with our current problems.
We need to bring our culture back??? hahahahahahaha...Our culture was no where close to what you are defining it to be! FYI That is Saudi culture! Please dont confuse everyone. And Scandinavia is a democratic country. Religion has nothing to do with the state there. And You want a Scandinavian model of an islamic country...Are we living in the same world??????? What does that even mean?
@Oopsie!!: "Damn! He’s Good! MashAllah."
It's doesn't take much to make you ecstatic. Simple person.
Please say something about the Taliban attacks..Why dont you have rallies for that..This statement is so scary.. We have had one Zia. We do not want another one. Yes, you misguided the youth. I have to give you that.
People have lost their ability to think clearly. The attitude displayed by most of the posters here can be categorized as collective hypnosis shorn of any reason or rationale. The kaptaan has been praising "secular" turkey one day and then starts mouthing thoughts which can only be classified as islamist. People are so struck by his personality that they can't figure out the con perpetuated by this khan.
isn't apkistan already surviving on welfare doles by USA...?????
@Ordinary Villager: my dear u are the most confused person not he. He gives the example of turkey , singapore and malaysia becoz there they transformed their country from a crippled state to a strong economical hub. And when he cites of the islamic welfare state then ofcourse he mentions that "Medina model" where there was no corruption and where there was justice every where.
Mohamed Ali Jinnah, when he founded the State of Pakistan, visualized that Pakistan would emerge as an Islamic Welfare State dedicated to uplift the social and economic conditions of the people while at any cost safeguard and sustain the national unity of the country disregarding the linguistic,ethnic and tribal differences In this context Imran Khan's assertion that Pakistan has failed to emerge as an Islamic Welfare State much to the disappointment of the Muslims of the Sub continent deserves acclamation.The leaders of Pakistan are duty bound to guide Pakistan to become an Islamic Welfare State where the economic and social needs of the people are given high priority .
Not agree.. Pakistan must be secular state..
@all liberals
how can you expect a secular state for a nation that goes to mosque five times daily. Please knock some sense into yourself.
90% of Pakistanis want Islamic values in their government, and it should be free from all extremist/fundamentalist positions. Imran follows the sufi strain of Islam leading all the way back to Al-Ghazali. Liberals might enlighten themselves by reading a few books by Ghazali.
I thought Pakistan was created with a secular vision.
Ironic that a statement like this comes after 60+ years of independence. In other words, the creation of pakistan was pointless so far. It has failed to be a a welfare state, and that it has lost half of the country.
A wise person once said about prejudices that if we are to wake up with the same skin color, same religion, same culture; then also we would find something by noon to fight about. Therefore, separation based on identity leads to further separations: shia vs sunni vs.... So should there be a "Shiastan" and "Sunistan" and already Balochistan?
In contrast, acceptance of diversity brings unity, and that two nation theory is clearly a failed concept.
@Ordinary Villager: You are wrong in concluding that Pakistan becomjng an Islamic Welfare State would mean it will be like Saudi Arabia where Sharia Law is in force The basis of an. Islamic Welfare State is democratic Socialism where the primary function of the State is to work for the Welfare of the people seeking to ameliorate the economic and social conditions of the masses.When Quaida Azam Mohamed Ali Jinnah founded the State of Pakistan what he visualized was an Islamic State built on socialism reinforced by human rights,political freedom and justice.A State free from bribery,corruption and malpractices.One dedicated to the welfare of the people.
@Salman
Thanks for the quotes from Quaid's speech.It greatly helps one understand the past 65 years and gives a fair peep into the future of Pakistan as well.
@Ordinary Villager: How come there are a 159 likes on your comment yet voting shows the complete opposite?
Strange!
@Jahaz Its difficult for a Jahaz to understand, Google plzz if you really wanna know..all can't b typed!
Scandinavian concept of welfare state was copied from MUSLIMS????? A concept that merges Western Capitalism with Soviet Socialism to find a perfect balance has a Bedouin Arab element in it? Wallahi... what left now to hear someday is that the theory of relativity was also carved by the Muslims and copied by those infidels.
This guy Imran's naivete and hubris know no bounds
So Mr. Imran Khan: what is the time frame to decide if Pakistan's creation was a deception on Indian muslims? It's already proven to be a decption in 60yrs? or should we wait 100yrs? 500yrs?
Also, welfare states of europe also have tax rates that are highest in the world. And they also have very low population growth rate. Is it feasible in high population growth countries?
@jahaz please could u explain what is your bright light day.....
The little hope that he had kindled in the hearts and minds of the thinking people with his pompous pronouncements has been washed off by this stereotype declaration.
It is a self-evident truth that anyone who supports more beards and more burqas in public life cannot be countered without being viciously accused as 'anti-islamic'.
IK has judged the mood of the people and has cleverly positioned himself as the Mohamed Morsi of Pakistan and he has shrewdly pushed the other parties into a corner of irrelevance. These guys are not only corrupt, but anti-Islam as well.He has now set the agenda and it is upto others to convince the populace how they fare on the 'Islama-meter'. They are not going to succeed.
Now, no one can attack Imran's vision of islam for Pakistan, because, these topics are off-limits and dangerously polarising. Anyone who wants to oppose Imran's idea of a soft-theocratic state will be dubbed as a 'liberal scum' or 'a western stooge'.
I have no doubts that Imran is going to sweep the polls whenever elections are held. Whether his rule is good for the nation, let's wait and watch. Preferably after emigrating to some other country !
PTI supporters start praising anything endorsed by IK. I am not sure wht kind of system IK is talking about? will it be possible in the "islamic welfare state" to establish social islamic laws, apart from economic laws? will PTI be organising concerts in its jalsas? will abrar ul haq retain his office? what will happens to PTI ultra mod ladies? will they be asked to cover up? i m a right winger myself and support PMLN (not blindly) and respect IK as cricket player. But I dont think IK has shown character to implement the plan. again i m not saying that NS has. but its not a product that will appeal IK's support base.
@Pungi: Englihten us with your understanding of an Islamic Welfare State, which to me is like a Bright Dark Day.
@PUNGI great reply..
some of these so called secular and liberal fascists are confused about their own identity they keep on twisting statements
Khan said that the failure of Pakistan becoming an Islamic welfare state will be a deception for all Muslims residing in India No, It hails the decision of Indian Muslims to stay within the Indian constitution.
advice for the seculars why dont u move to india.India is a secular country in a way you all will do favour on Pakistan
@Ordinary Villager Plzz enlighten me when did he say he wanted Pakistan to b Secular like Turkey?? Praising Erdogan doesn't mean Imran wanted Secular Pakistan.. Get your facts right..& he also gave examples of Scandinavian countries where such laws are existing, you are dragging Iran or Saudia yourself in it, perhaps u r unaware of the real meaning of "Islamic Welfare State"!
From Imran Khan, I would love to know what exactly is his idea of an "Islamic Welfare State"?
From all those agreeing with him, I'd like to know why isn't it possible to have simply a welfare state without the prefix of Islamic? If supposing we weren't by our constitution known as the "Islamic Republic of Pakistan", would everyone in this country cease to be a Muslim? Would it stop people from following Islam. Also, why import religion into your laws and policies in a country with a plethora of evidence that religion, when combined with law, has been used to commit the most atrocious human rights abuses and crimes. Do the words Blasphemy law, Aasia Bibi and Salman Taseer ring any bells. Does no one here see how religion has been used to defend the subjugation of women. Legislators opposing the Domestic Violence Bill, defending the burying of women alive in Balochistan, threatening NGO women with forced marriage, have all done so in the name of religion. So you really want to live in a country where such people have a right to impose religion upon you?
People who argue for a secular state do not do so because they are non Muslims or have something against Islam...it's because of the way religion is frequently used to hurt others.
Also, maybe if you could stop hating the "secularists" for a minute, could you just consider that it's possible to have a welfare state, where human development flourishes, without mixing law and religion.
IK's sensibilities are borrowed from history books taught in Pakistan, which are full of nationalist propaganda. People brought up on these same textbooks (and not having read much else) are an easy target for such rants.
I want to dissect this word 'Islamic welfare state' for people here. We all read it in Pakistan Studies. What do you think it means? Instead of the word 'Islamic', for which several definitions may exist, I would like to focus on the word 'welfare state', which is relatively easier to explain.
A welfare state is one that puts principles of equality over efficiency. The right balance between these two notions is a highly divisive issue in countries across the world. In fact, the traditional right vs. left in most developed countries of Europe and North America is based upon whether they are pro-growth or pro-welfare. So, a welfare state, in other words, is one that agrees to forego growth-oriented policies to those that more equitably distribute wealth. Bhutto's policies of nationalization were targeted towards similar objectives of creating more welfare at the cost of lesser growth.
So what would a welfare state look like? And can we afford to stall our growth to achieve such an ideal? For a fast-developing country like Pakistan, with much higher marginal returns to investment, it is almost a no-brainer to have growth-oriented policies, as they are likely to have a multiplicative impact across the social classes.
FACT: Liberals around the world never support any kind of war or drones, Liberals are Idealists,these supporting & working on American agenda of drones can never b termed as Liberals, Liberals are peace supportive like Imran Khan.
Creation wasn't pointless but these politicians have made is pointless... We need some1 like Imran to make our country gr8
@Babloo --- Not every one who talks of Islam is LeT or TTP. Please stop merging everyone under one umbrella. You do no service to people if you mix every sane voice with TTP etc.. And probably not even you will call IK corrupt or unpatriotic. So please for once let us have something different then the habitual plunderers of national wealth and honor.
PTI - suck it up and partner with the MQM. You are like twins separated at birth. Your mother is Populism; your father, the "Leader"; and, the "middle-class" is that junky toy you will fight over all day. Still, it would be something new. Partnering would bring a semblance of ideological coherence to your respective programs.
Mr Imran Khan has gone off the rocker! Who told him that Muslims in India are looking for religious or spiritual guidance to Pakistan? What has made him think that Muslims in India have felt deceived by what Pakistan has or has not done about its own ideology or constitution? Poor man, he is trying hard to play to the gallery. Good sign for a politician!
To me Islamic welfare state is one with tolerance, respect for minorities and freedom of life with justice at social and judicial level. I heard Imran talking of Islamic state in these terms and I am with him 100% on it.
Another Muhammad Ali Jinnah in the making
@ayesha_khan: Miss Ayesha in Islamic Government No Tax system exist. There exist only Zakaat. So Tax to GDP cannot even be 9 percent rather it could only be 2.5 percent If Mr Imran Khan will come in Power then According to Islamic system State dont have to ask for Taxes at all As the Word Tax dont even Exist in Islam. Also since we have to follow our own culture so we cannot Borrow the Word Tax from Europe as Christians developed the Word Tax and it is Haraam then to follow that System..
lolx....Imran Khan the Trojan horse is seemed to sweep next elections with DPC (re-incarnation of MMA) as its coalition partners. Keep it up military agencies and establishment...hehehe.
This coincides with the beheading of 7 Pakistani soldiers by Swat Taliban, in the name of Islam. Last year the same Swat Taliban brutally executed 20 policemen kidnapped from Swat. The event got only a slide in our fundamentalist media. I stopped supporting him the day he started criticizing the Swat operation.
I always wonder how come a man- IK- in his late 50s can be so wrong on all counts with so much international exposure and refused to grow from level of a kid of grade 6 or 7.
@Pearl: Report says bring back the culture to our own land. That's mere rhetoric.
Liberals are afraid of Islam so much that whenever someone calls for Islamic State they point to Alqaeda! Muslims worldwide disapprove Alqaeda. The damage Alqaeda brought to Muslims only is literally unparalled in history. So, please don't mix up Alqaeda with Islam. IK points to Islamic State not Fanaticism. The reality is that modern world has yet to see an Islamic State.
I understand commenting on ET is like rolling a dice. My stronger, more acerbic comments usually get through, but it's the milder ones that often get trashed. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to see a fixed pattern here. Nevertheless, I'll give it another shot..
Pakistan was created to allow Muslims a place to practice their religion freely. And they most certainly do, so the objective was fulfilled.
One may practice his religion just as freely in a secular state, unless your idea of religious freedom involves imposing your beliefs upon everybody else, willingly or unwillingly.
The debate is not whether an Islamic welfare state can do justice to minorities. I'm sure it can. The point is that whenever you prioritize one religion as a template for constructing all state laws, you're discriminating against all others religious groups who haven't been allowed this privilege.
imran khan is 100 percent right
@ayesha_khan: if NOT a completely islamic welfare state but CLOSE to it was before the Moghals when the Afghans ruled it for so many years. As i said, let's not fall in argument now by saying it never was an islamic state, i already told you it was PARTIAL islamic welfare state. people were taken care of by the rulers of that time and they were provided with daily life necessities. there was education free for all, health system was better and even there was this postal system which was for the first time ever introduced by the Afghan rulers.
it's just that our historians taught us something else, the taught us that the Afghans were barbarians and things like that while on the other hand they taught us that Moghals were better. it was NOT the case if you read history ( not written by a NOW Pakistani )
imran khan is right .... pakistan should be a modern islamic welfare state............ there is nothing wrong in it .... we should not be ashamed of our religion .... i think some"liberals" are apologetic about islam..... ..... ...... an islamic welfare state with full protection to minorities was the dream of quaid..................
Islamic state for whom the sunnis? Shia's ?, wahabi's, or the ultra sunni taliban ? What about the minorities ? what about the linguisting and cultural differences which exists between different areas in pakistan.
In order to create a sustainable state you have to bring all the elements of your society and establish a secular state or otherwise you will perish very soon.
Please Kaptan Sb. if you find a few moments and find a copy of 1940 resolution read it and tell us if there is ISLAMIC STATE mentioned in it This clearly means that Pakistan was not created as an ISLAMIC STATE it was created as a seperate country where Muslims were in majority. As BABLOO says (above ) it is a demand by LeT,JeM,LJP,TTP (and now TI)Why is he dragging Indian Muslims into this? Why is it a deception only for Indian Muslims and not Pakistani Muslims? Indian Muslims are thanking Allah for the blessings bestowed on them vis-a-via Pakistanis.
I'm a liberal and i totally support you for everything you have done for Pakistan and for everything you plan to do for Pakistan. I am a true liberal who thinks for the greater interest of Pakistan. Not the typical liberal who reside in Pakistan and act more like fanatics rather then liberals.
As far as I am concerned, there is no difference in islamic and secular state, Islam also a religion of equality and an Islamic welfare can act like secular state, where you can take care of all your citizen regardless of their religion.
Cheers
@Ordinary Villager: I hate to say I have to agree with the statement: "Moderates are now having a problem in supporting you". We have noticed how openly you have been supporting group of Mullah organisation and Ex-ISI's party. We don't trust Mullahs, we rather trust to lead the nation.
We are already on welfare, Imran Khan so no thanks for another experiment.
I want IK to define " Islamic welfare State". Then i will decide what he wants to make out of Pakistan.
Pakistan creation will be pointless if our minorities will not get the chance to follow their religion freely without any fear of getting killed. the main purpose behind the creation of pakistan was freedom of worshiping the religion for all minorities in subcontinent and muslims were the largest minority group of the time. at the time of independence Quaid-e-azzam didn't said Islamic republic of Pakistan instead he said Republic of Pakistan
Absolutely right IK, otherwise we are totally disillusioned with Pakistan.
'Pakistan's creation pointless if it fails to become Islamic welfare state' Does that mean that it has been a failure for so long??? 65 years.........
@Ordinary Villager: I think you're the one confused here. He talks about the personalities of leaders and gives references of the countries where their leaders has brought about a change on the basis of their credibility. He has never identified any country as a benchmark for Pakistan to reform rather used the concept of Islamic welfare state under the great Prophet and Khulfa-e-Rashideen.
As far as following is concerned, I think he has following in almost every class. The only people not supporting him are the confused lot.
LeT,JeM, LJP, TTP also want a "Islamic Welfare state".
"“They formed all the Scandinavian states based on this concept. They call it Omar’s law there. We need to bring our culture back to our own land.”
Two points: 1. Tax to GDP ratio in Scandinavian states is around 45%. In Pakistan this is 9%. Even with this HIGH tax to GDP ratio they spend negligible amount n defense. This is how they are able to economically support a welfare state. Are Pakistanis willing tto pay 5 times the taxes they pay today? Are they willing to give up their huge army? 2. Our own culture on our land? When in this land was there ever an Islamic welfare state in its history?
Mr Imran khan, should run on a religious platform, promising establsihment of islamic sharia law and "welfare state". That can be very effective slogan for him.
Imran is trying to get votes from islamist but I can tell you whosoever associate with Jamaat Islami is bound to failure. This is my prediction believe it or not.
U won my heart
Please let us get him elected. We need him bad.
Bit too late in the day. Pakistan deceived Indian Muslims when it left a large number, back in India, at the mercy of Hindus. It refused to take in Indian muslims by signing the Liaquat Nehru pact. It deceived Muslims again in 1971 by failing to be united. Post 1971 it again deceived Bihari Muslims by refusing to take them in from Bangladesh. And above all, Pakistani Muslims living within present day Pakistan are being continuously deceived since 1947 and there seems to be no end to this deception.
most of the readers of et are people who sit in air conditioned rooms and talk about pakistan most of these people dont even go out to vote and talk about pakistan Please do some basic research and then debate jinnah wanted pakistan to be democratic ... this secular debate has been started by few confused burger eating pakistani
Quoting the honorable Mr. Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, Chief Justice of The Supreme Court of The Islamic Republic of Pakistan: “I can say with utmost respect that they cannot legislate any law repugnant to the Constitution and injunctions of Islam and contrary to fundamental laws.”! Unquote.
More power to you Mr. Imran Khan, keep up the good work! The good, are right behind you, and in full support. PAKISTAN ZINDA and PAINDABAD!!!
"Khan said that the failure of Pakistan becoming an Islamic welfare state will be a deception for all Muslims residing in India, because Pakistan was “formed on the very basis of becoming an Islamic welfare state.”"
I can understand if he says this would be a deception of Muslims in Pakistan who migrated based on that promise. We Indian Muslims who stayed BACK in India did not believe that Hindus and Muslims could not live together or that there was a need for a Muslim state to protect our interests. So please do not bring us into your internal debate on how you want to govern.
cmon he never talked about turkey's secular system he gave examples of erdogan who pulled turkey out of the mess.. is erdogan secular ..!!!!!???? please find out then comment..
most of the people commenting dont even know basic stuff.. twisting statements is very easy .. after terrorists the most confused people of pakistan are these seculars
He should stick to cricket only, from fire into frying pan.
Pakistan is already an Islamic welfare state for free loading politicians and khakis.
Great man after QuaideAzam.Pakistan should feel lucky still to have positive people like him.Can sacrifice my life over Imran Bahi.long live Imran khan,may Allah chose you to lead this nation out of this miserable sitituation.
May be Islam has a history of welfare state and humanism, but it must show in deeds. Nobody stopped Pakistan to move to that direction, but I think a war against one or many enemies haunts the minds of flag bearers of Pakistan. Knowledge, logic, rationality, innovation and humanity seems to have a different meaning in this land of pure. Not only Imran but most of the leaders in Pakistan exploit the sentiments of ignorant people. Democracy and progressive thinking is an abuse. This is what I found in most of the reactions here & there. I'll welcome to be proved wrong.
@Babloo Sharia deosnot mean that Maulana Hazraath will run the country we all are muslims and islam is our reliegen and we all know what is sharia and wellfare concept in islam.
@Nasir Iqbal Islamic welfare state has nothing to do with Sharia Law.
Pakistan is already a welfare state. It lives off the largesse of its international donors.
Come to think of it. This kind of rhetoric sets a prcedence regardless, if Imran actually wins. This is not to say Imran will not bring stability and better Governance (jury still out) he may yet. However, he implicitly sets in motion or more appropriately gives wind to Pakistan eventually becoming an Islamic Shariah state. Maududi has now defeated his nemises Jinnah. Time to enter another State of...".?
This man is dangerous to the Pakistani future.
Has anyone informed him about the minorities living in Pakistan?
Bit confusing.. Does he mean welfare of Islam (or) welfare of Muslims (or) welfare of all the people of the state...
My God! y this man keep on changing his stance, now what to beleive whether his talkin on Turkish Secular system or now this 1?? Come On Mr Khan give us your clear policy what you want>? You want this state according to "Shariaa" or Secular state???
Agree with IK. May ALLAH help him and us in making Pakistan an Islamic welfare state. IK sir we are with you!! You said what was in my mind!! INSHALLAH you will get the reward in hereafter and the world.
he needs votes from the clergy,dats all
To all those above who are asking for what IK means when he says an "Islamic welfare state" should read his autobiography in which he has clearly explained his (and PTI's) vision of the same. Basically it is very similar to democracies such as in the Scandinavian countries especially because of their social welfare systems.
muhammad ali jinnah wanted a pakistan to be a democratic country . He must not have even in his wildest dreams thought that after 65 years of independence east pakistan being seperated we will still be debating what we really are.. he knew pakistan has a majority muslim population hence they wont create any laws against Quran and sunnah.
i dont understand these seculars..
what is wrong in saying islamic welfare state..
I agree with Imran Khan and majority of Pakistan agrees with him aswell
pakistan has to become an islamic welfare state and PTI is the only credible party that can do that
PML N industrialist lobby can not protect the weak and poor, they didnt let a christian announce budget in punjab assembly how can they protect rights of minorities
people of punjab have to vote tehreek e insaaf
The man is shamelessly courting the fringe vote. However, if an Islamic welfare state (whatever that means) is one where all minorities are equally protected than fine call it what he may. Bad precedence though!
i totally agree w/ik! but i really don't understand some people how they disagree w/ik no matter what ?
Mr. Khan: Sir,if I may remind you have we not been listening to such slogans even before the creation of Pakistan? The truth is that in place of becoming an Islamic Welfare State, we have become an Islamic Beggar State.
Why not just a welfare state instead of an Islamic welfare state? And pray, tell me, dear leader, how are you going to finance such huge increase in expenditures that come with being a welfare state?
I think IK has made his commitments real clear, i don't see any contrast in his sayings since many years i am following him. those who criticize him, actually don't know him. He is not an Alqaida Hardened person & nor he is secular like most of the western influenced class of Pakistan.
OK thats another catchy term to attract goofs around in Pakistan1
Imran: does you meant it ; what the word welafre demands from you. Why you don't assosiated with the party / people ( Jamat Islami) who have done mcuch on this acount. What barriers you have put before your legs who stops you go forward and meat the people who had kept this idealogy before you formed PTI. Does the people who sorrounded you are of same ideology. Where Kasoori and other leaders who joined previously PTI. How confident you are that you win from entire Pakistan. What? if the result not comes according your ideas/ imagination. I turst, you are either in the air OR under water OR somewhere else out of pakistan / reality. Please be a realistic and join the people who are struggling for rule of law and welfare state of Pakistan before you formed PTI.
Though I am a supporter of Imran Khan, I particularly fail to see the point in associating the word 'Islamic' to welfare. As a citizen of the country, I just want welfare for the people of Pakistan whether it's 'Islamic' welfare or 'Christian' welfare.
My point is, what is the difference if Pakistan is just a welfare state or what is the difference between 'Islamic welfare' and, say, 'Christian' welfare. Do we have to give religious identification to every abstract term?? I mean, I know that Islam preaches human rights and I am good with ANY welfare system as long as it provides prosperity to the people but I think that bringing religion into everything kind of makes things complicated and especially in a country like Pakistan where the clerics have a habit of calling the dibs on 'regulating' anything associated with Islam, it is particularly dangerous.
Just the term 'welfare state' is sufficient, I believe.
That's what we all want to hear from you and later have it implemented when you come into power (INSHALLAH)'
PTI Zindabad - PAKISTAN PAAINDABAD
BTW Saudi Arabia and Iran is not Islamic Welfare state.....I hope Pakistan becomes one day.
It should be "welfare state"
Pakistan is a welfare state -- taking handouts at every opportunity. If he's referring to a state that takes care of it's own people then the people might start by voting out the corrupt, paying their taxes, paying their utility bills, making peace with your neighbors, and caring for minorities rather than prosecuting them for blasphemy.
I recommend, request Islamic state for Pakistan, where Sharia will rule and Islamic law will prevail in all aspects of life and learned mullahs will reign supreme. Why is it taking so long ?
Hey guys know one thing before saying this wil become taliban state and bla bla. First please get over from BBC and CNN its so shame to see how muslims are thinking of themselves i mean when someone talks about Islam all guys ( watching CNN and BBC) thinks oh islamic welfacre state equals Iran and Saudia.
Saudia and Iran are not Islamic states I have been to Saudia 5 times.
I live in Scanadanvia and I know wat he is talking about. SO stop criticising IK if you dont know what he is talking about and plz broaden your mind and come out of BBC and CNN.
@Ordinary Villager: Mr. Villager: Both Saudi Arabia and Iran are extremist states promoting religious sects who encourage extremesim and curb freedom of speech and personal liberty. We don't have to follow either of them to become an Islamic Welfare state. Imran Khan is not confused, but you are on this issue. We have to make Pakistan a modern Islamic Welfare state where a common, ordinary citizen like me and you get our right to live and raise our children honourably without any fear of injustice and exploitation by the coruupt and the powerful. Islam promises that and still keeps fabric of the society intact on solid moral grounds. So don't be afraid of Islam and get rid of the fear which appears to be injected in your mind by those who are bent upon painting a red X on the Islamic way of life.
No, sir. Pakistan was created for the Muslim landowning elite.
Thats like a leader... He is the man... GOOD LUCK IMRAN...
That would be a recipe for disaster.Pakistan should try to become just a democratic and truly federal state like United States or Canada.Pakistan needs to restrain it excessive enthusiasm for being an ideological state.
@Saad Saeed
This is from Imran’s latest book:
“Sufi Muhammad was released from prison and brokered a deal that saw sharia law imposed on the Swat valley in return for the Taliban laying down their arms. Westernized Pakistanis saw the implementation of sharia as a backward step but all Sufi Muhammad was doing was tapping into a longstanding desire amongst ordinary Swatis for accessible justice”
@Ordinary Villager: You cannot be a moderate when one side is RIGHT and the other side is WRONG.
Here we go again , why do people play with emotions of their country men by bringing religion up in all their speeches . For once God Sake BE A PAKISTANI . Dont u undertand that all these Parties are after the CHAIR only and the benefits . Not a single one of them is INNOCENT enough to accept their mistakes in public and ammend their mistakes. Baatein kar ne ke liye saab tayar hain but none of them has any agenda which is worth praising . We need a revolution for the people and by the people but for that we first need to have one agenda that is BEING PAKISTANI not puppets in the hand of all these so called political parties,am not refering to one party but all of them .
GOD SAVE PAKISTAN
@mystreeman: IK was referring to Islamic culture & laws adopted by Scandinavian nations
Absolutely SPOT ON!! Imran you are one brave man.
Pakistan movement was hijacked by Jagirdars and waderaas. Thats why Quaid Azam was slow-poisoned. That is why there was not a indication of political will of making Pakistan what it was envisioned.
Iqbal died early and you should see this video of Dr Israr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM3QMUpq9Wg in which he explains how Iqbal had envisioned Pakistan as Islamic state and not a usual Muslim country. This is not a religious talk (for those who are allergic to religion), just an explanation of Iqbal's vision.
Is this practice of prefixing "Islamic" not very reason for getting the religion a bad name? When the terrorists calling themselves "Islamic" kill, behead innocent people reciting Holy Koran all in the name of saving Islam, it is said they bring bad name to the religion. Today world over every body talks about welfare of humanity, not just Christian, Hindu or Muslim welfare. No body calls Christian medicine, Christian democracy, Christian bungee jumping just because European Christians led these. Similarity Yoga is not a Hindu Meditation, but just Yoga. It is not the "Islamic: welfare that is dangerous in itself but mixing religion in state is.
i have not heard anyone using word "Omar's law" in scandinavia.
@shahid: Had you been in India, you had been well off as well.... Just a thought.. :)
Well said Khan Sahib May Allah help you! Watch the secularists go wild now!
Imran Khan's words are outright humbug if not total crap. Only European states can be categorised as welfare states and anyone who knows some history cannot classify any Muslim country as a welfare state. Sure many middle east countries adopt welfare measures but this is more to keep the public favorably inclined towards their monarchies, oil wealth being the lubricant. Imran is living in dreamland and is chasing esoteric goals that are just a chimera. Only those suffering from delusions of grandeur will fall for his fanciful thinking.
How i became so fan of Imran Khan it was a shaukat khanum cancer Hospital when i heard he said in this Hospital if one come with very old broken dress or he cant speak English he or she will be treated with dignity..... that was a moment i seen something great in this man and then second time when was Namal College Mianwali.....
any true liberal would fvote for IK, the fact many self-procliamed liberals on these forums only bast IK only serves to expose thier fake liberal values, they are perfectly happy to vote for PPP, ANP and MQM.
@Saad Saeed: Saad Sahib where are the public protests, street marches considering how serious these actions were ? What has been Imran's reaction to the various bombings of civilian and bombings of mosques ? Why no dharnas against those ?
Burying your feeble protests deep in your website or tiny news clippings are mere eyewash. Leaders don't behave like this. Leaders are bold, clear-headed and sure about where they stand. Imran is, so far none of the above.
Remember my words, with his current policy of appeasement of terrorists he will take Pakistan deeper in the hole.
Funny to see people who have been or are supporting crooks, convicts, rental hellipads nit picking what Imran has to say. Why are people asking Imran to take out rally for the everything including the recent killing of soldiers? What has the party that is in the power done so far? The commander in chief what statement did he issue about the killings? Will his purposed system do any worse than the current system of blatant corruption where the poor are getting crushed everyday and rich are buying apartments and villas in dubai and london?
The Scandinavian countries are a great model. Note also that the vast majority of the people there are atheists and that has done them a lot of good, or at least proved that a welfare state has nothing to do with religion - only the right set of morals and a pluralistic, tolerant outlook. Pakistan and many other countries will do well to try to ape them.
(BTW, I thought Saudi Arabia was the 'ideal' society for all Muslims. I guess I was wrong)
What is a 'Islamic' Welfare state? Just a welfare state would be good.
There is no concept of Welfare state in Islam. In initial days of Islam, there was immense war booty that was distributed among Muslims, but the practice was later abandoned. With conversion to Islam, there was shortage of money, so rulers levied Jizya on non-Arab Muslims! This led to extreme hatred towards Arabs rulers.
And Pakistan wasn’t created for welfare of the people. The majority of All India Muslim league consisted of feudals, nawabs, sajada nashins. PPP and PML are the true descendants of AIML.
And a population of 200 million cannot adopt the Scandinavian model
utter nonsence to go back to seventh century tribal culture, we want welfare state, not a theocratic state
@Ravi Mohan sahib. Yes pakistan was a single best for muslims of whole india too u ever heard of Quaid Azam speech when he said its not only gonna protect pakistani peoples rights but indian muslims too.
Khan sahab has slapped liberal fascists right on the face. Khan sahab zindabad!
yes yes yes yes yes true true true...........
WOW zaberthast imran khan we love u more than ever.
'Pakistan’s creation had been pointless...' thank you IK for speaking nothing but truth but please no ifs and buts...
There is no concept of Welfare state in Islam. In initial days of Islam, there was immense war booty that was distributed among Muslims, but the practice was later abandoned. With conversion to Islam, there was shortage of money, so rulers levied Jizya on non-Arab Muslims! This led to extreme hatred towards Arabs rulers.
And Pakistan wasn’t created for welfare of the people. The majority of All India Muslim league consisted of feudals, nawabs, sajada nashins. PPP and PML are the true descendants of AIML.
And a population of 200 million cannot adopt the Scandinavian model
@shahid: How do you their wellness. Are you one of them?
Great! Pakistan is nothing without Islam, Pakistan is formed on the name of Islam and without it, there is no point in its existence. To love Pak, you need to love Islam, as it is its very basis. Khan sb you are leading us to the right path. That is a bold and straightforward statement.
And one more thing, do remember the promise which you made with Oriya sb!!
Damn! He's Good! MashAllah.
He is fooling people. There is no need for mixing religion and welfare state. For a state to be welfare state, it needs exceptionally strong economy, low population and lesser corruption. Thats the reason, why scandinavian countries are welfare states while others are not. By shouting slogans or appointing mullahs you will get people's votes, but not a welfare state.Its clear that Imran Khan is a power hungry politician who would do anything to get votes and make as much money he can. He's totally insincere and a liar.
Spot on and Brilliant Khan Sahib. You are the only hope.
Pakistan creation wasn't pointless. It needed to be created as a shock absorbed between India and Afghanistan. Other than that there is no other true purpose for Pakistan.
IMRAN HAS THE GUTS to speak THE TRUTH - this man without a doubt wins my SERIOUS RESPECT and if i were eligible to vote , there is no doubt who would get it !! as long as there are people like him who have the guts to see things clearly Pakistan has a hope !! if there are none else , pak muslims are better off being indian ,
@Jat: Dont mislead the people. PTI condemned that attack. Go to their official website and then post any cogent comments (if you have any) www.insaf.pk A bit of research is always a good thing Jat SAAB
So Indian Muslims are invited to migrate to pakistan? Thanks,Imran.
Funny he says concept of welfare state is a muslim one,but not even the richest oil Muslim countries are complete welfare states. As for as Pakistan it can never become a welfare state.A country where ordinary citizens do not care to pay taxes and rely on outside help as if its an obligation for the other countries to feed them should not even dream of being a welfare state.
Essentially Imran Khan is a mullha who used to play cricket for Pakistan!
Imran ,come up with something genuine, your rhetoric reminds me of MQM leader's speech in which he said the same.
Formed Scandanavian States? Omars law? Making history up as we go along now arnt we? Perhaps you should call on your supprorters to pay their taxes and their bills to get us one step closer to being a "welfare state"
true...we should be a welfare state though i know the so called liberal would have a hugeeeeeeeeeee issue with the islamic prefix to the welfare state
When was there an Islamic welfare state in these lands of India which is dubbed as Pakistan? If there was none so why to talk about bringing back the culture to our own land?
The first and very good stance taken,
When was the Islamic Welfare state established on these lands of India now call Pakistan?
absolutely spot on !!!
P.S. Stop spending time with people like Munawer Hassan and other Mullahs as they have been rejected by masses and shall always remain rejected. Wake Up before you say after next elections....We Made a mistyake!
such a logical statement and if implement truly, Pakistan will be the first and only place to live in.
Just collecting taxes and no benefit to the PEOPLE; this is no system
You're wrong Mr.Khan. Welfare state or no welfare state, the creation of Pakistan was the single best thing to happen to the region in the last 1000 years.
Well said.
PTI Zindabad. He
s absolutely correct. We want a Islamic State rather than a secular state which is why a Muslim Nation has been carved out of Secular India. & yes, every muslim in Pakistan will agree with Imran Khan Sirs statement. "Pakistan’s creation had been pointless if the country fails to become an Islamic welfare state."Khan Sahib, Please re-visit the history since Pakistan was established to be a free secular state not an Islamic state. Why are you following the beaten down establishment policy of 65 plus years which brought destruction to Pakistan. Since you are new guy on the block, why don't you try fresh ideas since nothing will come out from beating a dead horse. People are expecting fresh ideas from you!
Can he clarify the difference between Islamic Welfare state and a simple welfare state? Unless Islamic adjective is added vote bank support can not be garnered. . Poor Imran khaan !
Your point has been taken well and recorded Mr. Khan, let the time come and we will see how sincerely you implement current belief!!
Can he clarify what he perceives by Islamic welfare State & what is simple welfare State ? . In Pakistan to woo the voters you have to add the adjective Islamic failing which forget the pubic support. Poor Imran khan.
The Indian Muslims are the freest and the happiest Muslims in the whole world. Especially the women.
Dissapointing Imran. Quaid-e-Azam made Pakistan for the minorities of sub-continent, not just for muslims and not as a Khalifa state. You lost many voters today.
I thought Pakistan was created so that politicians could get richer!
I will agree to that
Want to laugh on his knowledge about OUR CULTURE....what he wants to bring back....
absolutely right Imran Khan Saheb....Europe has copied the Islamic state welfare structure as it was in the Prophet (saw) and Khulfa-e Rashideen's time and see where Europe is today. We muslims on the other hand have left our Islamic teachings and mode of islamic governance and see where we are today. Even the concept of NATO being a united army and EU free trade zone is actually an Islamic concept of united Ummah on economic and military fronts, taken by the west, which unfortunately we have left, which explains the muslim ummah's misery today.
Drone campaign may be wrong and there is significant opposition to that. But having terrorists and militants roaming freely is not good either, right? No army wants to go after them, for various reasons. So, what is a better way to eliminate them other than drones?
Other than not having them in Pakistan, of course.
It's again very well said Khan. Hard to disagree with him.
Well said Imran Khan. My vote is for PTI. I see no comparison between a leader like Imran Khan and others like Nawaz Sharif and Zardari.
Indian Muslims could not care less about Pakistan after six decades of seeing what has happened in Pakistan. "We need to bring the culture back to our own land". Please tell when on this land ( the area of India/Sub continent now dubbed as Pakistan) we had the culture of Islamic welfare State?
Totally Agreed, we need to achieve purpose of our existance but in a sane way.
Imran sahib something Liberals won't like. But stating this you have got my vote.
PTI has the vision to change pakistan into a welfare state. Imran khan is the man of his words and he speaks what he does. PTI stance on all the issues is logical and it truly reflects the will of the nation rather than party policy based on individuals.
Yes IMRAN khan says I m tottly agree only hope this time IMRAN khan Pti
Such a clear stance and Vision....Only well educated and visionary leader...
Great leader and Great Concept. Pakistan definately should be a Islamic Welfare State.
You are absolutely correct Imran Khan. You have not minced any words for the sake of appeasing our so called liberal intellectuals, who abhor every single word associated with ISLAM. The nation loves you only for this braveness of character. Long Live PTI
Iqbal and now Islamic ?? theocracy ALERT!!!
Solid Statement
May he stand to his words ....
Well, he does have a point there.
Welfare of Al Quaida and Taleban ? Where are you protest rallies and Tsunami march against the killing of over 15 Pakistan soldiers in past 2 days; including beheading of 7 ?
Keep you feet on the ground and your head out of the clouds - then may be you will help become Pakistan what it was meant to be.
I am agree with you Mr Imran Khan
He is The most Confused Person in the History. Sometimes he Talks about Secular Turkey and used to say that we want Model of Turkey in Pakistan and on the other hand he changes his statements that Islamic Welfare State is the best Model. Islamic state in other way is known as a Country with a Full Sharia system like Saudia and Iran ??. Are we ready to Become Saudia and Iran right now???. Mr Imran Khan atleast pardon me for a moment. You supported Swat Taliban and criticized Swat Operation and openly supporting talks with TTP and now this.??? Moderates are now having a problem in supporting you.
i agree with u IK
Totally agree, Pakistan needs to take better care of it's people