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'Pakistan's creation pointless if it fails to become Islamic welfare state'
Says failure of Pakistan becoming Islamic welfare state deception for all Muslims residing in India.
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan said on Wednesday that Pakistan’s creation had been pointless if the country fails to become an Islamic welfare state.
Speaking during a press conference in Islamabad, Khan said that the failure of Pakistan becoming an Islamic welfare state will be a deception for all Muslims residing in India, because Pakistan was “formed on the very basis of becoming an Islamic welfare state.”
The PTI chairman said that there was no concept of welfare states in Europe and that they had taken this concept from the Muslim world. “They formed all the Scandinavian states based on this concept. They call it Omar’s law there. We need to bring our culture back to our own land.”
Speaking on the issue of drone strikes, Khan said that he was happy to see former US president Jimmy Carter’s criticism on the drone attacks. “Carter openly criticised [US President Barack] Obama’s drone campaign and termed it as assassination. He said that it was not only a violation of international laws but also humanitarian laws.”
“We have seen the Pakistani parliament’s resolution coming into place against drones, it is accepted worldwide that the drone campaign is wrong and the public support for it is on a downward spiral.”
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Totally agree, Pakistan needs to take better care of it’s people
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i agree with u IK
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He is The most Confused Person in the History. Sometimes he Talks about Secular Turkey and used to say that we want Model of Turkey in Pakistan and on the other hand he changes his statements that Islamic Welfare State is the best Model. Islamic state in other way is known as a Country with a Full Sharia system like Saudia and Iran ??. Are we ready to Become Saudia and Iran right now???. Mr Imran Khan atleast pardon me for a moment. You supported Swat Taliban and criticized Swat Operation and openly supporting talks with TTP and now this.??? Moderates are now having a problem in supporting you.
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I am agree with you Mr Imran Khan
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Welfare of Al Quaida and Taleban ? Where are you protest rallies and Tsunami march against the killing of over 15 Pakistan soldiers in past 2 days; including beheading of 7 ?
Keep you feet on the ground and your head out of the clouds – then may be you will help become Pakistan what it was meant to be.
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Well, he does have a point there.
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May he stand to his words ….
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Solid Statement
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Spare us khan sahib! Stop misguiding people.
Pakistan cannot afford any such experience anymore.
And we do not have any unfulfilled promises with Indian muslim neither they are looking to us for any such developments. They are very well off in India.Recommend
Iqbal and now Islamic ?? theocracy ALERT!!!
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You are absolutely correct Imran Khan. You have not minced any words for the sake of appeasing our so called liberal intellectuals, who abhor every single word associated with ISLAM. The nation loves you only for this braveness of character.
Long Live PTI
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Great leader and Great Concept. Pakistan definately should be a Islamic Welfare State.
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Such a clear stance and Vision….Only well educated and visionary leader…
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Yes IMRAN khan says I m tottly agree only hope this time IMRAN khan Pti
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PTI has the vision to change pakistan into a welfare state. Imran khan is the man of his words and he speaks what he does. PTI stance on all the issues is logical and it truly reflects the will of the nation rather than party policy based on individuals.
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Imran sahib something Liberals won’t like. But stating this you have got my vote.
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Totally Agreed, we need to achieve purpose of our existance but in a sane way.
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Indian Muslims could not care less about Pakistan after six decades of seeing what has happened in Pakistan. “We need to bring the culture back to our own land”. Please tell when on this land ( the area of India/Sub continent now dubbed as Pakistan) we had the culture of Islamic welfare State?
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Well said Imran Khan. My vote is for PTI. I see no comparison between a leader like Imran Khan and others like Nawaz Sharif and Zardari.
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It’s again very well said Khan. Hard to disagree with him.
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Drone campaign may be wrong and there is significant opposition to that. But having terrorists and militants roaming freely is not good either, right? No army wants to go after them, for various reasons. So, what is a better way to eliminate them other than drones?
Other than not having them in Pakistan, of course.
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absolutely right Imran Khan Saheb….Europe has copied the Islamic state welfare structure as it was in the Prophet (saw) and Khulfa-e Rashideen’s time and see where Europe is today.
We muslims on the other hand have left our Islamic teachings and mode of islamic governance and see where we are today.
Even the concept of NATO being a united army and EU free trade zone is actually an Islamic concept of united Ummah on economic and military fronts, taken by the west, which unfortunately we have left, which explains the muslim ummah’s misery today.
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Want to laugh on his knowledge about OUR CULTURE….what he wants to bring back….
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I will agree to that
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I thought Pakistan was created so that politicians could get richer!
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Dissapointing Imran. Quaid-e-Azam made Pakistan for the minorities of sub-continent, not just for muslims and not as a Khalifa state. You lost many voters today.
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The Indian Muslims are the freest and the happiest Muslims in the whole world. Especially the women.
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Can he clarify what he perceives by Islamic welfare State & what is simple welfare State ? . In Pakistan to woo the voters you have to add the adjective Islamic failing which forget the pubic support. Poor Imran khan.
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Your point has been taken well and recorded Mr. Khan, let the time come and we will see how sincerely you implement current belief!!
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Can he clarify the difference between Islamic Welfare state and a simple welfare state?
Unless Islamic adjective is added vote bank support can not be garnered. . Poor Imran khaan !
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Khan Sahib, Please re-visit the history since Pakistan was established to be a free secular state not an Islamic state. Why are you following the beaten down establishment policy of 65 plus years which brought destruction to Pakistan. Since you are new guy on the block, why don’t you try fresh ideas since nothing will come out from beating a dead horse. People are expecting fresh ideas from you!
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PTI Zindabad. He
s absolutely correct. We want a Islamic State rather than a secular state which is why a Muslim Nation has been carved out of Secular India. & yes, every muslim in Pakistan will agree with Imran Khan Sirs statement. “Pakistan’s creation had been pointless if the country fails to become an Islamic welfare state.”Recommend
Well said.
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You’re wrong Mr.Khan. Welfare state or no welfare state, the creation of Pakistan was the single best thing to happen to the region in the last 1000 years.
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Just collecting taxes and no benefit to the PEOPLE; this is no system
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such a logical statement and if implement truly, Pakistan will be the first and only place to live in.
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P.S. Stop spending time with people like Munawer Hassan and other Mullahs as they have been rejected by masses and shall always remain rejected. Wake Up before you say after next elections….We Made a mistyake!
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absolutely spot on !!!
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When was the Islamic Welfare state established on these lands of India now call Pakistan?
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The first and very good stance taken,
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When was there an Islamic welfare state in these lands of India which is dubbed as Pakistan? If there was none so why to talk about bringing back the culture to our own land?
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true…we should be a welfare state though i know the so called liberal would have a hugeeeeeeeeeee issue with the islamic prefix to the welfare state
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Formed Scandanavian States? Omars law? Making history up as we go along now arnt we? Perhaps you should call on your supprorters to pay their taxes and their bills to get us one step closer to being a “welfare state”
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Imran ,come up with something genuine, your rhetoric reminds me of MQM leader’s speech in which he said the same.
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Essentially Imran Khan is a mullha who used to play cricket for Pakistan!
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Funny he says concept of welfare state is a muslim one,but not even the richest oil Muslim countries are complete welfare states. As for as Pakistan it can never become a welfare state.A country where ordinary citizens do not care to pay taxes and rely on outside help as if its an obligation for the other countries to feed them should not even dream of being a welfare state.
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So Indian Muslims are invited to migrate to pakistan? Thanks,Imran.
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@Jat:
Dont mislead the people. PTI condemned that attack. Go to their official website
and then post any cogent comments (if you have any)
http://www.insaf.pk
A bit of research is always a good thing Jat SAAB
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IMRAN HAS THE GUTS to speak THE TRUTH – this man without a doubt wins my SERIOUS RESPECT and if i were eligible to vote , there is no doubt who would get it !! as long as there are people like him who have the guts to see things clearly Pakistan has a hope !! if there are none else , pak muslims are better off being indian ,
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Pakistan creation wasn’t pointless. It needed to be created as a shock absorbed between India and Afghanistan. Other than that there is no other true purpose for Pakistan.
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Spot on and Brilliant Khan Sahib. You are the only hope.
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He is fooling people. There is no need for mixing religion and welfare state. For a state to be welfare state, it needs exceptionally strong economy, low population and lesser corruption. Thats the reason, why scandinavian countries are welfare states while others are not. By shouting slogans or appointing mullahs you will get people’s votes, but not a welfare state.Its clear that Imran Khan is a power hungry politician who would do anything to get votes and make as much money he can. He’s totally insincere and a liar.
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Damn! He’s Good! MashAllah.
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Great! Pakistan is nothing without Islam, Pakistan is formed on the name of Islam and without it, there is no point in its existence. To love Pak, you need to love Islam, as it is its very basis. Khan sb you are leading us to the right path. That is a bold and straightforward statement.
And one more thing, do remember the promise which you made with Oriya sb!!
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@shahid: How do you their wellness. Are you one of them?
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There is no concept of Welfare state in Islam. In initial days of Islam, there was immense war booty that was distributed among Muslims, but the practice was later abandoned. With conversion to Islam, there was shortage of money, so rulers levied Jizya on non-Arab Muslims! This led to extreme hatred towards Arabs rulers.
And Pakistan wasn’t created for welfare of the people. The majority of All India Muslim league consisted of feudals, nawabs, sajada nashins. PPP and PML are the true descendants of AIML.
And a population of 200 million cannot adopt the Scandinavian model
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‘Pakistan’s creation had been pointless…’ thank you IK for speaking nothing but truth but please no ifs and buts…
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WOW zaberthast imran khan we love u more than ever.
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yes yes yes yes yes true true true………..
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Khan sahab has slapped liberal fascists right on the face. Khan sahab zindabad!
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@Ravi Mohan sahib.
Yes pakistan was a single best for muslims of whole india too u ever heard of Quaid Azam speech when he said its not only gonna protect pakistani peoples rights but indian muslims too.
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utter nonsence to go back to seventh century tribal culture, we want welfare state, not a theocratic state
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There is no concept of Welfare state in Islam. In initial days of Islam, there was immense war booty that was distributed among Muslims, but the practice was later abandoned. With conversion to Islam, there was shortage of money, so rulers levied Jizya on non-Arab Muslims! This led to extreme hatred towards Arabs rulers.
And Pakistan wasn’t created for welfare of the people. The majority of All India Muslim league consisted of feudals, nawabs, sajada nashins. PPP and PML are the true descendants of AIML.
And a population of 200 million cannot adopt the Scandinavian model
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What is a ‘Islamic’ Welfare state? Just a welfare state would be good.
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The Scandinavian countries are a great model. Note also that the vast majority of the people there are atheists and that has done them a lot of good, or at least proved that a welfare state has nothing to do with religion – only the right set of morals and a pluralistic, tolerant outlook. Pakistan and many other countries will do well to try to ape them.
(BTW, I thought Saudi Arabia was the ‘ideal’ society for all Muslims. I guess I was wrong)
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Funny to see people who have been or are supporting crooks, convicts, rental hellipads nit picking what Imran has to say. Why are people asking Imran to take out rally for the everything including the recent killing of soldiers? What has the party that is in the power done so far? The commander in chief what statement did he issue about the killings? Will his purposed system do any worse than the current system of blatant corruption where the poor are getting crushed everyday and rich are buying apartments and villas in dubai and london?
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@Saad Saeed: Saad Sahib where are the public protests, street marches considering how serious these actions were ? What has been Imran’s reaction to the various bombings of civilian and bombings of mosques ? Why no dharnas against those ?
Burying your feeble protests deep in your website or tiny news clippings are mere eyewash. Leaders don’t behave like this. Leaders are bold, clear-headed and sure about where they stand. Imran is, so far none of the above.
Remember my words, with his current policy of appeasement of terrorists he will take Pakistan deeper in the hole.
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any true liberal would fvote for IK, the fact many self-procliamed liberals on these forums only bast IK only serves to expose thier fake liberal values, they are perfectly happy to vote for PPP, ANP and MQM.
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How i became so fan of Imran Khan it was a shaukat khanum cancer Hospital when i heard he said in this Hospital if one come with very old broken dress or he cant speak English he or she will be treated with dignity….. that was a moment i seen something great in this man and then second time when was Namal College Mianwali…..
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Imran Khan’s words are outright humbug if not total crap. Only European states can be categorised as welfare states and anyone who knows some history cannot classify any Muslim country as a welfare state. Sure many middle east countries adopt welfare measures but this is more to keep the public favorably inclined towards their monarchies, oil wealth being the lubricant.
Imran is living in dreamland and is chasing esoteric goals that are just a chimera. Only those suffering from delusions of grandeur will fall for his fanciful thinking.
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Well said Khan Sahib May Allah help you! Watch the secularists go wild now!
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@shahid:
Had you been in India, you had been well off as well…. Just a thought.. :)
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i have not heard anyone using word “Omar’s law” in scandinavia.
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Is this practice of prefixing “Islamic” not very reason for getting the religion a bad name? When the terrorists calling themselves “Islamic” kill, behead innocent people reciting Holy Koran all in the name of saving Islam, it is said they bring bad name to the religion. Today world over every body talks about welfare of humanity, not just Christian, Hindu or Muslim welfare. No body calls Christian medicine, Christian democracy, Christian bungee jumping just because European Christians led these. Similarity Yoga is not a Hindu Meditation, but just Yoga. It is not the “Islamic: welfare that is dangerous in itself but mixing religion in state is.
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Absolutely SPOT ON!! Imran you are one brave man.
Pakistan movement was hijacked by Jagirdars and waderaas. Thats why Quaid Azam was slow-poisoned. That is why there was not a indication of political will of making Pakistan what it was envisioned.
Iqbal died early and you should see this video of Dr Israr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM3QMUpq9Wg in which he explains how Iqbal had envisioned Pakistan as Islamic state and not a usual Muslim country. This is not a religious talk (for those who are allergic to religion), just an explanation of Iqbal’s vision.
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@mystreeman: IK was referring to Islamic culture & laws adopted by Scandinavian nations
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Here we go again , why do people play with emotions of their country men by bringing religion up in all their speeches . For once God Sake BE A PAKISTANI .
Dont u undertand that all these Parties are after the CHAIR only and the benefits . Not a single one of them is INNOCENT enough to accept their mistakes in public and ammend their mistakes. Baatein kar ne ke liye saab tayar hain but none of them has any agenda which is worth praising .
We need a revolution for the people and by the people but for that we first need to have one agenda that is BEING PAKISTANI not puppets in the hand of all these so called political parties,am not refering to one party but all of them .
GOD SAVE PAKISTAN
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@Ordinary Villager:
You cannot be a moderate when one side is RIGHT and the other side is WRONG.
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@Saad Saeed
This is from Imran’s latest book:
“Sufi Muhammad was released from prison and brokered a deal that saw sharia law imposed on the Swat valley in return for the Taliban laying down their arms. Westernized Pakistanis saw the implementation of sharia as a backward step but all Sufi Muhammad was doing was tapping into a longstanding desire amongst ordinary Swatis for accessible justice”
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That would be a recipe for disaster.Pakistan should try to become just a democratic and truly federal state like United States or Canada.Pakistan needs to restrain it excessive enthusiasm for being an ideological state.
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Thats like a leader… He is the man…
GOOD LUCK IMRAN…
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No, sir. Pakistan was created for the Muslim landowning elite.
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@Ordinary Villager:
Mr. Villager:
Both Saudi Arabia and Iran are extremist states promoting religious sects who encourage extremesim and curb freedom of speech and personal liberty. We don’t have to follow either of them to become an Islamic Welfare state. Imran Khan is not confused, but you are on this issue. We have to make Pakistan a modern Islamic Welfare state where a common, ordinary citizen like me and you get our right to live and raise our children honourably without any fear of injustice and exploitation by the coruupt and the powerful. Islam promises that and still keeps fabric of the society intact on solid moral grounds. So don’t be afraid of Islam and get rid of the fear which appears to be injected in your mind by those who are bent upon painting a red X on the Islamic way of life.
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Hey guys know one thing before saying this wil become taliban state and bla bla.
First please get over from BBC and CNN its so shame to see how muslims are thinking of themselves i mean when someone talks about Islam all guys ( watching CNN and BBC) thinks oh islamic welfacre state equals Iran and Saudia.
Saudia and Iran are not Islamic states I have been to Saudia 5 times.
I live in Scanadanvia and I know wat he is talking about. SO stop criticising IK if you dont know what he is talking about and plz broaden your mind and come out of BBC and CNN.
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I recommend, request Islamic state for Pakistan, where Sharia will rule and Islamic law will prevail in all aspects of life and learned mullahs will reign supreme. Why is it taking so long ?
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Pakistan is a welfare state — taking handouts at every opportunity. If he’s referring to a state that takes care of it’s own people then the people might start by voting out the corrupt, paying their taxes, paying their utility bills, making peace with your neighbors, and caring for minorities rather than prosecuting them for blasphemy.
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It should be “welfare state”
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BTW Saudi Arabia and Iran is not Islamic Welfare state…..I hope Pakistan becomes one day.
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That’s what we all want to hear from you and later have it implemented when you come into power (INSHALLAH)’
PTI Zindabad – PAKISTAN PAAINDABAD
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Though I am a supporter of Imran Khan, I particularly fail to see the point in associating the word ‘Islamic’ to welfare. As a citizen of the country, I just want welfare for the people of Pakistan whether it’s ‘Islamic’ welfare or ‘Christian’ welfare.
My point is, what is the difference if Pakistan is just a welfare state or what is the difference between ‘Islamic welfare’ and, say, ‘Christian’ welfare. Do we have to give religious identification to every abstract term?? I mean, I know that Islam preaches human rights and I am good with ANY welfare system as long as it provides prosperity to the people but I think that bringing religion into everything kind of makes things complicated and especially in a country like Pakistan where the clerics have a habit of calling the dibs on ‘regulating’ anything associated with Islam, it is particularly dangerous.
Just the term ‘welfare state’ is sufficient, I believe.
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Imran: does you meant it ; what the word welafre demands from you. Why you don’t assosiated with the party / people ( Jamat Islami) who have done mcuch on this acount. What barriers you have put before your legs who stops you go forward and meat the people who had kept this idealogy before you formed PTI. Does the people who sorrounded you are of same ideology. Where Kasoori and other leaders who joined previously PTI. How confident you are that you win from entire Pakistan. What? if the result not comes according your ideas/ imagination. I turst, you are either in the air OR under water OR somewhere else out of pakistan / reality. Please be a realistic and join the people who are struggling for rule of law and welfare state of Pakistan before you formed PTI.
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OK thats another catchy term to attract goofs around in Pakistan1
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I think IK has made his commitments real clear, i don’t see any contrast in his sayings since many years i am following him. those who criticize him, actually don’t know him. He is not an Alqaida Hardened person & nor he is secular like most of the western influenced class of Pakistan.
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Why not just a welfare state instead of an Islamic welfare state? And pray, tell me, dear leader, how are you going to finance such huge increase in expenditures that come with being a welfare state?
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Mr. Khan: Sir,if I may remind you have we not been listening to such slogans even before the creation of Pakistan? The truth is that in place of becoming an Islamic Welfare State, we have become an Islamic Beggar State.
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i totally agree w/ik! but i really don’t understand some people how they disagree w/ik no matter what ?
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The man is shamelessly courting the fringe vote. However, if an Islamic welfare state (whatever that means) is one where all minorities are equally protected than fine call it what he may. Bad precedence though!
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pakistan has to become an islamic welfare state and PTI is the only credible party that can do that
PML N industrialist lobby can not protect the weak and poor, they didnt let a christian announce budget in punjab assembly how can they protect rights of minorities
people of punjab have to vote tehreek e insaaf
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muhammad ali jinnah wanted a pakistan to be a democratic country . He must not have even in his wildest dreams thought that after 65 years of independence east pakistan being seperated we will still be debating what we really are..
he knew pakistan has a majority muslim population hence they wont create any laws against Quran and sunnah.
i dont understand these seculars..
what is wrong in saying islamic welfare state..
I agree with Imran Khan and majority of Pakistan agrees with him aswell
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Scandinivian people dont kill over religion and there is lot of tolerance in that society same is not here in our country.Recommend
To all those above who are asking for what IK means when he says an “Islamic welfare state” should read his autobiography in which he has clearly explained his (and PTI’s) vision of the same. Basically it is very similar to democracies such as in the Scandinavian countries especially because of their social welfare systems.
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he needs votes from the clergy,dats all
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Agree with IK. May ALLAH help him and us in making Pakistan an Islamic welfare state. IK sir we are with you!! You said what was in my mind!! INSHALLAH you will get the reward in hereafter and the world.
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My God! y this man keep on changing his stance, now what to beleive whether his talkin on Turkish Secular system or now this 1?? Come On Mr Khan give us your clear policy what you want>? You want this state according to “Shariaa” or Secular state???
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Imran Khan may Blessing of ALLAH S.W. be with you, and May ALLAH S.W. with more courage, determination, and divine help to be the leader Pakistan is in dire need of.
For all those who who disagree please please please read the history, about what is the meaning of Islamic welfare state, and the reason of the two nation ideology. People who disagree without reason or understanding are wannabe, pseudo, western educated, so called liberals. For there version of welfare state and liberalization is a consequence of the indoctrination of the system that they have been raised in. Recommend
Bit confusing.. Does he mean welfare of Islam (or) welfare of Muslims (or) welfare of all the people of the state…
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This man is dangerous to the Pakistani future.
Has anyone informed him about the minorities living in Pakistan?
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Come to think of it. This kind of rhetoric sets a prcedence regardless, if Imran actually wins. This is not to say Imran will not bring stability and better Governance (jury still out) he may yet. However, he implicitly sets in motion or more appropriately gives wind to Pakistan eventually becoming an Islamic Shariah state. Maududi has now defeated his nemises Jinnah. Time to enter another State of…”.?
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Pakistan is already a welfare state. It lives off the largesse of its international donors.
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We don’t want welfare. Just give us a country governed by honorable and honest people, where the rule of law is supreme. Let there be peace and power and the citizens of Pakistan will take care of themselves.Recommend
@Nasir Iqbal
Islamic welfare state has nothing to do with Sharia Law.
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@Babloo
Sharia deosnot mean that Maulana Hazraath will run the country we all are muslims and islam is our reliegen and we all know what is sharia and wellfare concept in islam.
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May be Islam has a history of welfare state and humanism, but it must show in deeds. Nobody stopped Pakistan to move to that direction, but I think a war against one or many enemies haunts the minds of flag bearers of Pakistan. Knowledge, logic, rationality, innovation and humanity seems to have a different meaning in this land of pure. Not only Imran but most of the leaders in Pakistan exploit the sentiments of ignorant people. Democracy and progressive thinking is an abuse. This is what I found in most of the reactions here & there. I’ll welcome to be proved wrong.
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Great man after QuaideAzam.Pakistan should feel lucky still to have positive people like him.Can sacrifice my life over Imran Bahi.long live Imran khan,may Allah chose you to lead this nation out of this miserable sitituation.
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Pakistan is already an Islamic welfare state for free loading politicians and khakis.
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He should stick to cricket only, from fire into frying pan.
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cmon he never talked about turkey’s secular system
he gave examples of erdogan who pulled turkey out of the mess..
is erdogan secular ..!!!!!???? please find out then comment..
most of the people commenting dont even know basic stuff..
twisting statements is very easy ..
after terrorists the most confused people of pakistan are these seculars
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“Khan said that the failure of Pakistan becoming an Islamic welfare state will be a deception for all Muslims residing in India, because Pakistan was “formed on the very basis of becoming an Islamic welfare state.””
I can understand if he says this would be a deception of Muslims in Pakistan who migrated based on that promise. We Indian Muslims who stayed BACK in India did not believe that Hindus and Muslims could not live together or that there was a need for a Muslim state to protect our interests. So please do not bring us into your internal debate on how you want to govern.
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Quoting the honorable Mr. Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, Chief Justice of The Supreme Court of The Islamic Republic of Pakistan: “I can say with utmost respect that they cannot legislate any law repugnant to the Constitution and injunctions of Islam and contrary to fundamental laws.”! Unquote.
More power to you Mr. Imran Khan, keep up the good work! The good, are right behind you, and in full support. PAKISTAN ZINDA and PAINDABAD!!!
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most of the readers of et are people who sit in air conditioned rooms and talk about pakistan
most of these people dont even go out to vote and talk about pakistan
Please do some basic research and then debate
jinnah wanted pakistan to be democratic …
this secular debate has been started by few confused burger eating pakistani
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Bit too late in the day. Pakistan deceived Indian Muslims when it left a large number, back in India, at the mercy of Hindus. It refused to take in Indian muslims by signing the Liaquat Nehru pact. It deceived Muslims again in 1971 by failing to be united. Post 1971 it again deceived Bihari Muslims by refusing to take them in from Bangladesh. And above all, Pakistani Muslims living within present day Pakistan are being continuously deceived since 1947 and there seems to be no end to this deception.
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Please let us get him elected. We need him bad.
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U won my heart
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Imran is trying to get votes from islamist but I can tell you whosoever associate with Jamaat Islami is bound to failure. This is my prediction believe it or not.
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Mr Imran khan, should run on a religious platform, promising establsihment of islamic sharia law and “welfare state”. That can be very effective slogan for him.
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““They formed all the Scandinavian states based on this concept. They call it Omar’s law there. We need to bring our culture back to our own land.”
Two points:
1. Tax to GDP ratio in Scandinavian states is around 45%. In Pakistan this is 9%. Even with this HIGH tax to GDP ratio they spend negligible amount n defense. This is how they are able to economically support a welfare state. Are Pakistanis willing tto pay 5 times the taxes they pay today? Are they willing to give up their huge army?
2. Our own culture on our land? When in this land was there ever an Islamic welfare state in its history?
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LeT,JeM, LJP, TTP also want a “Islamic Welfare state”.
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@Ordinary Villager: I think you’re the one confused here. He talks about the personalities of leaders and gives references of the countries where their leaders has brought about a change on the basis of their credibility. He has never identified any country as a benchmark for Pakistan to reform rather used the concept of Islamic welfare state under the great Prophet and Khulfa-e-Rashideen.
As far as following is concerned, I think he has following in almost every class. The only people not supporting him are the confused lot.
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‘Pakistan’s creation pointless if it fails to become Islamic welfare state’
Does that mean that it has been a failure for so long??? 65 years………
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Absolutely right IK, otherwise we are totally disillusioned with Pakistan.
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Pakistan creation will be pointless if our minorities will not get the chance to follow their religion freely without any fear of getting killed. the main purpose behind the creation of pakistan was freedom of worshiping the religion for all minorities in subcontinent and muslims were the largest minority group of the time. at the time of independence Quaid-e-azzam didn’t said Islamic republic of Pakistan instead he said Republic of Pakistan
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I want IK to define ” Islamic welfare State”. Then i will decide what he wants to make out of Pakistan.
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We are already on welfare, Imran Khan so no thanks for another experiment.
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@Ordinary Villager:
I hate to say I have to agree with the statement: “Moderates are now having a problem in supporting you”. We have noticed how openly you have been supporting group of Mullah organisation and Ex-ISI’s party. We don’t trust Mullahs, we rather trust to lead the nation.
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As far as I am concerned, there is no difference in islamic and secular state, Islam also a religion of equality and an Islamic welfare can act like secular state, where you can take care of all your citizen regardless of their religion.
Cheers
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I’m a liberal and i totally support you for everything you have done for Pakistan and for everything you plan to do for Pakistan. I am a true liberal who thinks for the greater interest of Pakistan. Not the typical liberal who reside in Pakistan and act more like fanatics rather then liberals.
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Why is he dragging Indian Muslims into this? Why is it a deception only for Indian Muslims and not Pakistani Muslims? Indian Muslims are thanking Allah for the blessings bestowed on them vis-a-via Pakistanis.
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Please Kaptan Sb. if you find a few moments
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tell us if there is ISLAMIC STATE mentioned in it
This clearly means that Pakistan was not created
as an ISLAMIC STATE it was created as a seperate
country where Muslims were in majority.
As BABLOO says (above ) it is a demand by
LeT,JeM,LJP,TTP (and now TI)
Islamic state for whom the sunnis? Shia’s ?, wahabi’s, or the ultra sunni taliban ? What about the minorities ? what about the linguisting and cultural differences which exists between different areas in pakistan.
In order to create a sustainable state you have to bring all the elements of your society and establish a secular state or otherwise you will perish very soon.
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imran khan is right …. pakistan should be a modern islamic welfare state………… there is nothing wrong in it …. we should not be ashamed of our religion …. i think some”liberals” are apologetic about islam….. ….. …… an islamic welfare state with full protection to minorities was the dream of quaid………………
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@ayesha_khan:
if NOT a completely islamic welfare state but CLOSE to it was before the Moghals when the Afghans ruled it for so many years. As i said, let’s not fall in argument now by saying it never was an islamic state, i already told you it was PARTIAL islamic welfare state. people were taken care of by the rulers of that time and they were provided with daily life necessities. there was education free for all, health system was better and even there was this postal system which was for the first time ever introduced by the Afghan rulers.
it’s just that our historians taught us something else, the taught us that the Afghans were barbarians and things like that while on the other hand they taught us that Moghals were better. it was NOT the case if you read history ( not written by a NOW Pakistani )
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imran khan is 100 percent right
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I understand commenting on ET is like rolling a dice. My stronger, more acerbic comments usually get through, but it’s the milder ones that often get trashed. I’m finding it increasingly difficult to see a fixed pattern here. Nevertheless, I’ll give it another shot..
Pakistan was created to allow Muslims a place to practice their religion freely. And they most certainly do, so the objective was fulfilled.
One may practice his religion just as freely in a secular state, unless your idea of religious freedom involves imposing your beliefs upon everybody else, willingly or unwillingly.
The debate is not whether an Islamic welfare state can do justice to minorities. I’m sure it can. The point is that whenever you prioritize one religion as a template for constructing all state laws, you’re discriminating against all others religious groups who haven’t been allowed this privilege.
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Liberals are afraid of Islam so much that whenever someone calls for Islamic State they point to Alqaeda! Muslims worldwide disapprove Alqaeda. The damage Alqaeda brought to Muslims only is literally unparalled in history. So, please don’t mix up Alqaeda with Islam. IK points to Islamic State not Fanaticism. The reality is that modern world has yet to see an Islamic State.
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@Pearl: Report says bring back the culture to our own land. That’s mere rhetoric.
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I always wonder how come a man- IK- in his late 50s can be so wrong on all counts with so much international exposure and refused to grow from level of a kid of grade 6 or 7.
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This coincides with the beheading of 7 Pakistani soldiers by Swat Taliban, in the name of Islam. Last year the same Swat Taliban brutally executed 20 policemen kidnapped from Swat. The event got only a slide in our fundamentalist media.
I stopped supporting him the day he started criticizing the Swat operation.
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lolx….Imran Khan the Trojan horse is seemed to sweep next elections with DPC (re-incarnation of MMA) as its coalition partners. Keep it up military agencies and establishment…hehehe.
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@ayesha_khan: Miss Ayesha in Islamic Government No Tax system exist. There exist only Zakaat. So Tax to GDP cannot even be 9 percent rather it could only be 2.5 percent If Mr Imran Khan will come in Power then According to Islamic system State dont have to ask for Taxes at all As the Word Tax dont even Exist in Islam. Also since we have to follow our own culture so we cannot Borrow the Word Tax from Europe as Christians developed the Word Tax and it is Haraam then to follow that System..
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Another Muhammad Ali Jinnah in the making
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