Pakistan, India should withdraw troops from Siachen: Sharif

Published: April 17, 2012

Pakistan Muslim League (PML-N) chief Nawaz Sharif on Tuesday called on Pakistan and India to retract their troops from Siachen glacier. PHOTO: PPI/FILE

SKARDU: Pakistan Muslim League (PML-N) chief Nawaz Sharif on Tuesday called on Pakistan and India to retract their troops from Siachen glacier, the disputed and undemarcated region of Kashmir.

Sharif, who was speaking during his visit to Giari sector, said that both countries should solve the Siachen issue and the billions of rupees being spent on the war should be directed towards people’s prosperity.

The PML-N leader visited the avalanche site and distributed cheques worth Rs500,000 to the families of the affected military and civilian personnel.

Sharif also announced that the Punjab government will provide jobs to the heirs and will also cover the educational expenses of their children.

He also said that terrorism in the country was proof of the government’s failure, adding that there was no trace of anything like a government in Chilas, Gilgit and Quetta.

A huge wall of snow crashed into the remote Siachen Glacier base high in the mountains in disputed Kashmir more than a week ago, smothering an area of one square kilometre (a third of a square mile).

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Reader Comments (114)

  • Tara
    Apr 17, 2012 - 3:38PM

    Yes, YEs, very good idea, how about the Pakistani troops withdraw first ;)

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  • Ahmad
    Apr 17, 2012 - 3:40PM

    Finally, some sense.

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  • Pragmatist
    Apr 17, 2012 - 3:41PM

    The Kargil adventure happened under Sharif’s watch. If Pakistan wants it can accept the present positions and mark them on the map or make a unilateral withdrawal. Don’t think India will settle for any other alternative.

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  • Karachii
    Apr 17, 2012 - 3:46PM

    As usual great step and bold stance!bravo NSRecommend

  • Bilal
    Apr 17, 2012 - 3:46PM

    great gesture

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  • Barooq
    Apr 17, 2012 - 3:48PM

    The first leader to visit, actions speak louder than the words.

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  • dv sikka
    Apr 17, 2012 - 3:56PM

    Siachin is part of a big problem that started 64 years ago when Pakistan attacked Kashmir. Start from solving that problem and all will be ok.

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  • Observer's Eye
    Apr 17, 2012 - 4:00PM

    I wish Mian Sahab could control his hatred for govt. serving such a noble cause but Salute to Mian Sahab’s incompetency for yet another time!Recommend

  • zoro
    Apr 17, 2012 - 4:00PM

    Its CIA .. RAW … MOSSAD at work …. Kill all of them …

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  • Blithe
    Apr 17, 2012 - 4:04PM

    Good statesmanship!

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  • Ahmad
    Apr 17, 2012 - 4:07PM

    Great Gestures shown by Mian Sb., towards our heroes.

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  • Aditya Randhawa
    Apr 17, 2012 - 4:08PM

    Pakistan should do whatever it wants, instead of looking at India.

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  • Cosmo
    Apr 17, 2012 - 4:10PM

    Great idea, pakistan should start by confirming current troop locations.

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  • vasan
    Apr 17, 2012 - 4:20PM

    “the billions of rupees being spent on the war should be directed towards people’s prosperity.”
    What about the billions of rupees Pak is spending clandestinely on the breeding of Terror networks like LeT and JuD etc.
    And who is talking of War between India and Pakistan ? India is only spending on self defense. Only pakistanis talk of war and green flag in red fort etc.

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  • Khan
    Apr 17, 2012 - 4:25PM

    @Pragmatist:

    The Kargil adventure happened under
    Sharif’s watch

    That’s not true .. He was asleep just like any wealthy owner of a bungalow, when his guards jumped over the walls in to the house of neighbors.

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  • saeed
    Apr 17, 2012 - 4:31PM

    All the arrangements for his tour were made by Punjab government on the expenses of tax payers…on which capacity he used all the Punjab government resources as he is not even a MPA or MNA…he should have spent the money from Noon league’s account but as usual like distributing laptops….holding jalsas every thing goes from our pocket for these corrupt leaders…then why they criticize zardari when he uses his position of president to benefit PPP..what is the difference between them..

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  • Rajendra Kalkhande
    Apr 17, 2012 - 4:34PM

    If your words and actions don’t match, no one will take you seriously. On critical issues, India simply does not trust Pakistan.

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  • Dr. Tashfeen bin Rizwan
    Apr 17, 2012 - 4:54PM

    So everyone will be on same page now… From Zardari to Sharif and from Altaf to Fazl Ur Rehmaan! All ready to implement American plan..

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  • let there be peace
    Apr 17, 2012 - 4:56PM

    he can advice to Pak army whatever he likes. Pakistani politicians have no right to tell India about what to do in Indian territory.

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  • KHK
    Apr 17, 2012 - 5:05PM

    @saeed
    And who told you that it was Punjab’s money? Just wait for the details and then talk.

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  • Ch Allah Daad
    Apr 17, 2012 - 5:13PM

    Poverty, shortage of energy resources and out of control defence expenditures are our main problems. Mian Sahib’s experience and contacts with world leaders will solve most of our problems.

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  • Blithe
    Apr 17, 2012 - 5:14PM

    @saeed:
    What if it is from Punjabi exchequer???
    Punjabis have an innate ability to look at
    bigger digits and in national interest.

    Every Pubjabi is praying about the Siachen issue.

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  • farhan.
    Apr 17, 2012 - 5:14PM

    a great stance by bravo N.S

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  • Apr 17, 2012 - 5:29PM

    what have you been doing during your tenures as p.m ?

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  • MarkH
    Apr 17, 2012 - 5:31PM

    The deaths were tragic and all but why does it need to be a package exactly? I’m pretty sure Pakistan can leave without India.

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  • Adnan Butt
    Apr 17, 2012 - 5:39PM

    Nawaz Sharif is a true leader.. Always with some sense..

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  • ALi
    Apr 17, 2012 - 5:39PM

    Don’t trust India!!!

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  • harkol
    Apr 17, 2012 - 5:49PM

    Mr. Sharif:

    Sure, so Pakistan army will pretend withdrawal and move in to areas vacated by Indian army claiming its your territory? Kargil happened when you were PM. You moved in to a location that was left vacant by India, well within Indian part of LOC.

    Still, perhaps this can be done. Pakistan should give an undertaking that Siachen belongs to Indian part of LoC (pending finalization of border) and that it won’t move in to that location, if India doesn’t.

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  • Concerned
    Apr 17, 2012 - 5:55PM

    Pakistan should take the lead by withdrawing its troops from Siachen with India following suit with both sides signing an agreement and making this region as a demilitarised zone.

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  • Adnan Butt
    Apr 17, 2012 - 6:05PM

    PTI fans as usual blaming without any proof.. Nawaz Sharif never uses Punjab government resources for his personal activities..

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  • Bilal
    Apr 17, 2012 - 6:09PM

    if Pakistan withdraw troops, Pakistan will loose remaining area, which Pakistan posses.

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  • Mandeep Vaid
    Apr 17, 2012 - 6:10PM

    India and Pakistan inundate from poor and destitute men who out of vital necessacity for their survival will always be prepared to die a miserable death in these never-ending repulsive wars of hatred and destruction.

    Pazificm is the only human way for eternal Peace.

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  • Mazher Mehboob
    Apr 17, 2012 - 6:13PM

    Withdrawing troops from siachen is an excellent policy towards Nawaz Sharifs cause of a prosperous nation. I am looking forward that the nation follows ..

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  • Muslim Pakistani
    Apr 17, 2012 - 6:32PM

    @dv sikka:
    Plz get ur facts right, it was indian who open Siachen front, Pakistan only retaliated….

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  • Born Political
    Apr 17, 2012 - 6:39PM

    ET, Can you ban ET in India. These guys just jump into our national debates without getting their facts right.Recommend

  • Yuri Kondratyuk
    Apr 17, 2012 - 6:59PM

    Sir Sharif, charity starts at home.

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  • Yuri Kondratyuk
    Apr 17, 2012 - 7:02PM

    @Born Political:

    These guys just jump into our national
    debates without getting their facts
    right

    Just point to the erroneous facts with solid references and they will keep quiet

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  • gp65
    Apr 17, 2012 - 7:08PM

    @Muslim Pakistani: “Plz get ur facts right, it was indian who open Siachen front, Pakistan only retaliated….”

    Maybe you are the ones that needs to get the facts right. Pakistan sent army dressed as mujahidins in 1965. It was planning to repeat that exercise in 1984. We know it did repeat that exercise in 199. Regarding 1984, I am quoting excerpt from wikipedia
    “At army headquarters in Rawalpindi, Pakistani generals decided they had better stake a claim to Siachen before India did. Islamabad then committed an intelligence blunder, according to a now retired Pakistani army colonel. “They ordered Arctic-weather gear from a London outfitters who also supplied the Indians,” says the colonel. “Once the Indians got wind of it, they ordered 300 outfits—twice as many as we had—and rushed their men up to Siachen.”[2]
    Reportedly with specific intelligence of a possible Pakistani operation, India launched Operation Meghdoot (named after the divine cloud messenger in a Sanskrit play by Kalidasa) on 13 April 1984 when the Kumaon Regiment of the Indian Army and the Indian Air Force went into the glacier region. India was soon in control of the area, beating Pakistan to the Saltoro Ridge high ground by about a week”.

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  • Thinktank
    Apr 17, 2012 - 7:09PM

    @Born Political:
    ” ET, Can you ban ET in India. These guys just jump into our national debates without getting their facts right. “

    Somehow I couldnt stop laughing at the above post… it shows ignorance at many levels – language, internet, ethics… Can someone ban itself from going somewhere…? all you can do it stop yourself..

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  • Ali
    Apr 17, 2012 - 7:14PM

    @Yuri Kondratyuk:
    India is the one which is clinging to positions in Siachen. Even the Pakistani army wants to leave that godforsaken place. In fact the Indian civilian government wants out too but the army resists any moves. Recommend

  • gp65
    Apr 17, 2012 - 7:14PM

    @Born Political: “ET, Can you ban ET in India. These guys just jump into our national debates without getting their facts right.”

    In this particular case the issue concerns India also. Secondly, if the facts are wrong, simply point them out with reliable sources.

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  • Lala Gee
    Apr 17, 2012 - 7:19PM

    @harkol:

    “Sure, so Pakistan army will pretend withdrawal and move in to areas vacated by Indian army claiming its your territory? Kargil happened when you were PM. You moved in to a location that was left vacant by India, well within Indian part of LOC.”

    Until 1970 Kargil peaks were under Pakistani side of the LOC and Pak Army had setup posts on their tops. During winter time Pak Army vacated these posts as usual practice and the Indian Army took advantage of and sneaked in their soldiers. In the 1972 Shimla Accord, Pakistan being in a weak position, LOC around Kargil was moved a little towards west giving the peaks, which Indian Army had already occupied, to Indian control. So, when India again took advantage of the absence of Pak Army in Siachen, Pak Army followed suit in Kargil which you Indians never stop bashing Pakistan for while complete ignoring the fact that Indian Army did the same thing twice. Recommend

  • Bilal
    Apr 17, 2012 - 7:20PM

    @Born Political
    you are right.

    what Indians are doing on this page.

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  • Lala Gee
    Apr 17, 2012 - 7:30PM

    @Yuri Kondratyuk:

    “Just point to the erroneous facts with solid references and they will keep quiet”

    Has been done million times in various articles by providing facts, references and links, but Indians are special species obstinately resistant to facts, logic and reasoning. And see, in the very next post they will keep repeating the same rhetoric completely ignoring that it has already been replied with facts and references. Recommend

  • Aizaz
    Apr 17, 2012 - 7:34PM

    I seldom agree with him but on this issue I do agree. We must settle our disputes at the table ONE DAY the probllem will be solved when someone sees sense.Recommend

  • Apr 17, 2012 - 7:35PM

    A good call, Mian Sahib.

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  • Amjad
    Apr 17, 2012 - 7:38PM

    Why is that another PAKISTANI newspaper is giving another report which i believe is older and established Newspaper than ET : here is the link where Nawaz Sharif said PAKISTAN SHOULD WITHDRAW TROOPS FIRST http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-44840-Nawaz-for-troops-withdrawal-from-Siachen

    You know guys it was INDIA who advanced to Siachen first in 1984 NOT Pakistan. and Fact is that INDIA controls 2./3rd of SIACHEN and Pakistan barely has 1/3rd of it and still our national super leader like Nawaz Sharif calling for Pakistan to withdraw troops first?

    take it like this. you punch me in the face and i punch u in the face and a third person witnesses all and ask ME to apology to you first ? how’s that going to work Mr. Nawaz Sharif

    I really thought to congratulate you for your trip to Siachen but you made it horrible for me to congratulate you after this – sorry

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  • Gilgiti-No voting right but Proud Pakistanigi
    Apr 17, 2012 - 7:59PM

    Mr. Nawaz sharif is trying to politically popular in this cause also.. ok how much sincerity he showed for G-B region during his 2-time govt??? Please count just one.. all this is political drama, we have already tried him 2-time

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  • Bharath
    Apr 17, 2012 - 8:01PM

    …”Nawaz Sharif on Tuesday called on Pakistan and India to retract their troops from Siachen glacier”

    This kind of dialogues are good for Bollywood movies. In reality, we just can’t trust Pakistan. Pak Military does not trust its elected govt.Even its close ally America don’t trust pak.

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  • JSM
    Apr 17, 2012 - 8:01PM

    Has Nawaz Sharif forgotten Kargil 1999 operations by Pakistan Army when he was PM?

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  • Paras Vikmani
    Apr 17, 2012 - 8:06PM

    That’s a mature statement.
    Well said Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
    Now India and Pakistan should take steps in this direction.

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  • gp65
    Apr 17, 2012 - 8:23PM

    @Ali: “India is the one which is clinging to positions in Siachen. Even the Pakistani army wants to leave that godforsaken place. In fact the Indian civilian government wants out too but the army resists any moves.”

    In India the army is represented in the government via the defense minister. SO there is no such thing as government wants this but army wants that. The union cabinet (the government) makes decision on any issue after consulting all impacted stakeholders such as defense ministry, foreign ministry, finance ministry, commerce and industry ministry, home ministry etc.

    Secondly, India has asked Pakistan to sign off on Actual Ground Position Line (AGPL) which Pakistan is unwilling to do. If Pakistan signs this, India would be glad to vacate.

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  • Lala Gee
    Apr 17, 2012 - 8:24PM

    @gp65:

    “Maybe you are the ones that needs to get the facts right. Pakistan sent army dressed as mujahidins in 1965. It was planning to repeat that exercise in 1984. We know it did repeat that exercise in 199. Regarding 1984, I am quoting excerpt from wikipedia”

    Had you had some moral courage, you might have given the reference link so that the readers themselves could decide who did what, instead of picking a particular out of context paragraph that does not give the whole truth. Here is the link for the readers.

    Siachen Conflict – wikipedia.org

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  • Lala Gee
    Apr 17, 2012 - 8:31PM

    @let there be peace:

    “Pakistani politicians have no right to tell India about what to do in Indian territory.”

    But Indians have every right to tell us what to do and what not to in Pakistani territory. Right?

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  • Babloo
    Apr 17, 2012 - 8:35PM

    India has a unmatched record since 1971 of not violating LoC.
    India has an unmatched record of not capturing any territory accross the international border since 1947.
    In Siachen, India did not violate LoC, as it stuck to the language of the accord that the “LoC proceeds north from the point NJ 9842.”
    India did not violate it in Kargil, despite grave provocation and unilateral and clear violation by Pakistan.
    The lesson is, Pakistan can withdraw, if it wants all its army from International border and LoC, and India would still not encroach an inch accross the international border and LoC to capture any territory that’s accross the international border or LoC. Thats how mature and civilized nations work.
    India even gave back 12,000 sq miles of territory captured during 1971 war.
    History and facts speaks for itself.

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  • Saqib Ghafoor
    Apr 17, 2012 - 8:36PM

    right time to show solidarity with army :) n I believe only NS can do this n he did :)

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  • Lala Gee
    Apr 17, 2012 - 8:38PM

    @vasan:

    “What about the billions of rupees Pak is spending clandestinely on the breeding of Terror networks like LeT and JuD etc.”

    What about the billions of US dollars India is spending clandestinely on financing and arming the terror networks of BLA and TTP etc.?

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  • Blithe
    Apr 17, 2012 - 8:43PM

    @Amjad:
    You have a point.
    But you have to understand that he is creating
    moral pressure on India,

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  • Maryam
    Apr 17, 2012 - 8:46PM

    Yes Yes!! Both should withdraw their troops.Nobody knows how many lives Siachen will engulf.Recommend

  • Umair
    Apr 17, 2012 - 8:51PM

    @Pragmatist: yeah…. without bringing it in its notive… thankx to Vajpayee for informing sharif…otherwise these Generals would have gone ahead to start another full fledged war with india.
    Dont forget only months back vajpayyee visisted lhr at minar-e-pakistan to light torch of peace – first indian PM …n Nawas was Pak;s

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  • roma
    Apr 17, 2012 - 9:04PM

    wonderful idea – a man who initends to lead pakistan should be able to show a higher degree of realism – and also should avoid making such generalizations which even a primary school kid could do . He should have something specific to offfer otherwise remain silent or say i have a plan and will describe in detail soon . Otherwise just saying INdia should withdraw, anyone knows that wont work ! It would be a pity if this guy gets to government – will take pak further down the drain im sorry to say .

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  • roma
    Apr 17, 2012 - 9:09PM

    @Saqib Ghafoor: – sure man ! NS will spend on army and best wishes to pak economy !

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  • roma
    Apr 17, 2012 - 9:22PM

    Exress Tribune should emulate the software that Times of India is using …. In the TOI system you can click an option to receive only those posts which are in reply to your post and not just every post that has arrived in the thread – so we receive only relevant responses and not irrelevant posts . Is it so difficult for ET to do similarly ? …i should have thought not ……. as Pakistan has a lot of good information tech people around and often claims to be as good as the indians ?

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  • Chotta Panda
    Apr 17, 2012 - 9:24PM

    Mr. Nawaz Sharif speak for yourselves. If you want to withdraw your troops, you are more than welcome. As for India, the whole of Jammu and Kasmir belongs to us. So, where we place our troops and how many troops we place and how long we station them is entirely OUR business.

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  • Ram
    Apr 17, 2012 - 10:07PM

    @Express Tribune

    Here’s zoro saying, “Its CIA .. RAW … MOSSAD at work …. Kill all of them …” and you publish it.

    I have not problem with that since a free media should channel all expressions – of despair, hate, love, and hope and everything in between. What I DO have an issue with is Express Tribune moderators will kill a massage with more pith and reasoned argument if it contained totally radical, new ideas. The position is immaterial, whether proIndia or proPakistan becasue ET does indeed publish the full spectrum by its OpEd contributors). WHY THEN do ET moderators nix only the notes from readers? I just don’t understand.

    For example, I have commented several times on Ijaz Haider’s articles. ET has not published even one single note form me. Now, I disagree with a lot of stuff Mr. Haider wrote althoguh I do agree on some of his views and writings. No matter, I respect him enormously and like really like reading him. I find him incisive and insightful; and he is a good writer to boot. More importantly, I learn a lot from him, particularly about the state in Pakistan, its policies, positions as also about general world affairs. My arguments against Mr Haider’s articles have been specific, reasoned and respectful and never foul vitriol, personal, or negative. When I wrote to ET, I have always believed that I would be extending the discussion and stimulating continued respectful argument. ET has killed it every single instance. I don’t know why.

    But, zoro gets through! The sly, masked bandit that you are, zoro. Good for you, man, keep on killing them.

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  • Azim
    Apr 17, 2012 - 10:09PM

    To all my Indian friends on the Blogg

    Take a break….over 60 years…from Kashmir to Bangladesh…we all had our issues our wins our losses…only to see our poor suffer our soldiers die…all this to show who is superior who is stronger…..trust me we all our looser…..the only winners are our politicians…and people like us who have the chance of blogging and living a life full of luxuries.

    We need to stop this war of hate now.

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  • sajan
    Apr 17, 2012 - 10:10PM

    Plz stop fighting friends. .this our weakness that we always fight a endless war for our history.. .and other countries laugh on us and also get profit by selling their weapons. . .plz forget history and make a new world. . We all are common people. .we dont know the truth. .our polititions teach us that we are right and they are wrong. .coz they have no loss they make votes and money in their AC Rooms and our brothers fight the wars and lost their lives. . .i love pak. . I love india . .i love hindu . . .i love muslim. .i have no religion. . .BT I HATE terrerists. . .i hate polititions. . .plz plz make peaceRecommend

  • Apr 17, 2012 - 10:40PM

    @Mandeep Vaid:
    I think you need to be more explicit. Could not understand what message you wanted to convey!

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  • let there be peace
    Apr 17, 2012 - 10:43PM

    @Lala Gee:
    What are you trying to say? You yourself are saying that according to Shimla agreement Kargil is on Indian side of LOC. Still somehow you want to believe 1999 Kargil invasion was not illegal. Why are you confused? Do you reject Shimla agreement? In that case let the Pakistani government officially say so.

    (PS- just to remind, at the time of partition, neither did British give Kashmir to Pakistan nor did Kashmir’s rulers legally accede it to Pakistan, so basically Pakistan is just an ‘outsider’ in the whole Kashmir issue)

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  • butt jee
    Apr 17, 2012 - 10:45PM

    No unilateral withdrawal by Pakistan from Siachin can be accepted. Withdrawal of the Armies of Indian and Pakistan Armies has to be simultaneous under a mutually concluded agreement between the two countries. Mian Sahib is naive and one has yet to hear a word of wisdom from this overly simple politician.

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  • Karim
    Apr 17, 2012 - 10:45PM

    Nawaz is the first one to visit Siachen. Mr Zardari and Gailani are nowhere to be found. Where is Imran Khan??. We should Appreciate the gesture of Nawaz Sharif that he is the first leader to go there in Siachen.
    The hatred of one region of Pakistan is in full swing and no matter what Mr Nawaz have to be painted an Evil by People of Pakistan. It was musharraf who started a war and Nawaz opposed it as well. But anyway Nawaz, Shahbaz and Punjab bashing on the go and in full swing on all forums.

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  • Mr. T
    Apr 17, 2012 - 10:46PM

    Shame on these politicians.. Rather than condoling the loss of lives of the innocent in this tragic incident. He is a passing a controversial statement to get the projection and sympathy votes for his elections..

    Can someone remind this man that who wasted the most amount of military resources in Kargil operation and invited so much trouble on us by violating the proliferation treaties with west and testing the nukes. He was a guy who looked just like you Mr. Sharif
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  • sajan
    Apr 17, 2012 - 10:46PM

    Plz stop fighting friends. .this our weakness that we always fight a endless war for our history.. .and other countries laugh on us and also get profit by selling their weapons. . .plz forget history and make a new world. . We all are common people. .we dont know the truth. .our polititions teach us that we are right and they are wrong. .coz they have no loss they make votes and money in their AC Rooms and our brothers fight the wars and lost their lives. . .i love pak. . I love india . .i love hindu . . .i love muslim. .i have no religion. . .BT I HATE terrerists. . .i hate polititions. . .plz plz make peace

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  • Karim
    Apr 17, 2012 - 10:47PM

    @Pragmatist: Go and get some history lessons and then comment. Nawaz opposed it and it was Musharraf a rogue general of pakistan who started this war and then begged Nawaz to get international mediation to end this war which musharraf had started and then he miserably failed in any conquest of any sort.

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  • Freeman
    Apr 17, 2012 - 11:05PM

    @dv sikka: Grow up and you should have some knowledge before you coment here. Siachen was no man land before 1984. Then suddenly India sent their army and occupied Siachen. Now India SHould withdraw first then Pakistan will follow.

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  • Freeman
    Apr 17, 2012 - 11:08PM

    @Concerned: Indian first sent their army to no man Land in 1984. and then Indian tried to control all Siachen and then Pakistan sent their army and took control. So India should leave first then Paksitan will follow.

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  • Darjat
    Apr 17, 2012 - 11:31PM

    Showing presence at the site was vital. Nawaz Sharif made it first and it is good to know he wants the boys back both side. That is the solution to save lives of human being and divert financial resources in improving well being of poor people in both the countries which is most desirable.

    I wonder how many people in Pakistan have seen Glaciers and avalanche and experienced those isolated terrain and understand how people survive and sustain their means of livelihoods!!

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  • Born Political
    Apr 17, 2012 - 11:31PM

    @Indian friends: I still believe you have nothing to do with NS statements, if you have only taunts to offer along with some manipulated facts presented by your media, its better to remain quiet.

    Its like my head of family advising me to behave well with neighbors, immediately the neighbor jumps in and starts yelling at him “You are not pious enough to give such advices”

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  • dv sikka
    Apr 17, 2012 - 11:31PM

    The fact is that Politicians on both sides are making money, the brave soldiers are facing each other in such hostile environment and losing their life now and then. Please go after your politicians and force them to COMPROMISE on whatever and stop fighting for the good of the people of both countries. Use the money for the prosperity of the country. this has gone on and on for 65 years and the whole thing is sheer stupidity.Recommend

  • AIN
    Apr 18, 2012 - 12:00AM

    Yes. It should be. If not India initiate it then Pakistan should removed its army from siachen.. As this will not only save money but also the lives of our soldiers will be in ease.

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  • abdul karim
    Apr 18, 2012 - 12:21AM

    i think should be stay.

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  • Imran
    Apr 18, 2012 - 12:33AM

    In Siachen, our jawans are not fighting against their Indian counterparts but against, ‘mother nature’ and end of the day it is nature to win: do whatever, say whatever – your belief, your color, your creed or race cannot stand against the forces of nature. So this causeless blood of common army jawans( calling them shaheed or brave sons of land etc, will not help anyone) should be stopped as soon as possible. But alas, sanity is and will be practiced very little since the days of inception.

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  • Peer Sain
    Apr 18, 2012 - 12:56AM

    It is a bit babyish to talk like this. India just went and occupied this part of our Kashmir. India should be asked to vacate the area they have occupied. Period.

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  • S. A. Bukhara
    Apr 18, 2012 - 1:10AM

    Sharif has been right on the mark on international issues over the last 2-3 years. In many ways he is the most impressive politician we have. No one makes more sense than him on: relations with India, role of military, relations with US and rest of the world etc. Unlike the great IK, he does not actively pander to militant elements and does not presume that “they are our brothers and all you have to do is talk with them”. He cannot be blamed for Kargil because that war was instigated by the faujis and the civilian PM was not in the loop (hardly ever is).

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  • mrs ahmed
    Apr 18, 2012 - 1:25AM

    i am amazed , if we give any serious attention to nawaz sharif on security issues, after 12th october 1999, it is undeniable fact that he dismmissed then army chief , while he was in mid air,and then ordered, the plane carrying him to go to enemy soil.

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  • Canadian Hindu
    Apr 18, 2012 - 1:56AM

    @Lala Gee

    You love to quote Wiikipedia. How about this one quote, taken directly form the Wilipedia page that you yourself referenced.

    “The 1972 Simla Agreement did not clearly mention who controlled the glacier, merely stating that from the NJ9842 location the boundary would proceed ‘thence north to the glaciers.’”

    ..So which way is north from point NJ9842? Do Pakistanis use defective compasses? North is roughly where the present boundary is.

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  • Sajjad Ali
    Apr 18, 2012 - 2:05AM

    Pakistan and India must forget their past and look at future. Both countries cannot survive without peace. People of both countries want peace and stability. We all must discourage fanaticism of all kinds, militancy and terrorism and promote peace and love.

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  • Maryam
    Apr 18, 2012 - 2:26AM

    Thank You Mian Sahib for Saying this. Love you.

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  • xvz
    Apr 18, 2012 - 2:36AM

    same nawaz sharief who dont trusts Pak army after 199 coup advising india to trust pak army even after the kargil adventure.if pakistan wats they can simply vacate it but india wont buzz from siachin as itgives india strategic advantage on saltaroo ridge

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  • Indian
    Apr 18, 2012 - 2:53AM

    Haji Pir is an area in Pakistani Kashmir which was captured by indian army and then returned, please do not say that India ever disrespected LOC.

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  • Lala Gee
    Apr 18, 2012 - 5:33AM

    @let there be peace:

    “PS- just to remind, at the time of partition, neither did British give Kashmir to Pakistan nor did Kashmir’s rulers legally accede it to Pakistan, so basically Pakistan is just an ‘outsider’ in the whole Kashmir issue”

    Now you are trying to escape Simla Accord which re-affirmed, though the UNO and the world already did, Pakistan as the equal stake holder. India is as an outsider as Pakistan is and this is exactly the stand of Pakistan. Kashmiris are the only real stake holders and should be allowed to decide their destiny in a plebiscite. This is a question of living humans not some artifacts of value or real estate. What if British had sold the Subcontinent to America for some bucks, as they did sell Kashmir to Maharaja for a million rupee, instead of giving you Independence? So the people are important as were in the case of Hyderabad, Bhopal, and Juna Gadh states which Indian Army occupied forcefully because the majority was Hindu but the rulers were Muslims.

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  • Lala Gee
    Apr 18, 2012 - 5:48AM

    @Canadian Hindu:

    “..So which way is north from point NJ9842? Do Pakistanis use defective compasses? North is roughly where the present boundary is.”

    I already answered this in a previous article on the same issue. To save time and energy I just copy paste it here.

    @Babloo:

    “The only thing that matters is the LoC accord which Pakistan signed and that states clearly that the LoC proceeds NORTH from NJ 9842.
    Please look up the meaning of north, if there is any ambiguity.”

    @ashok:

    “Official records on the contrary claim, “LOC extends to the terminal point, NJ 9842, and “thence NORTH to the Glaciers”.
    Are Pakistanis directionallly challenged or are deficient in comprehension.”

    My advice to both you guys is to look for the meaning of north in an English dictionary, not in the English to Hindi one, along with the area map on Google Earth, or maps.google.com, or better yet get an official map of the area from UN. And, if you Indians are not directionally challenged, then you will see that Sia La and Bilafond La passes are as to north west from NJ9842 as KK is to north east. So where is your true north? You make fool none but yourself, so keep up the good work.

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  • Pragmatist
    Apr 18, 2012 - 7:39AM

    @Lala Gee: “What about the billions of US dollars India is spending clandestinely on financing and arming the terror networks of BLA and TTP etc.?”
    If you have a shred of proof, why don’t you take it to any international forums and declare India as culprits just like India did with LeT, JuD, ISI and Hafiz Saeed.

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  • Khadija
    Apr 18, 2012 - 9:14AM

    great man with great words.

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  • Hassan
    Apr 18, 2012 - 10:54AM

    @ Bharath

    Lets not do this to our next generation what our elders did to us. I am sure you never lost a family member at Siachen ask those who lost it and guess what they would take the risk of trusting Pakistan. As per your Retired General its your army who dont want it to happen although everything was decided between Mush and Singh in 2006…So lets put pressure on our govts to do it as quickly as possible.

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  • Pragmatist
    Apr 18, 2012 - 11:36AM

    The concept of “mujahideen” fighting for the Kashmir cause is the biggest lie perpetrated in the region. Pakistan routinely dressed up their soldiers as ‘mujahideen’ and sent them over. The Kashmiris would have risen if they were sympathetic with Pakistan. The 1965 aggression by Pakistan was proof of that. So, the only way peace can be bought is by declaring PoK as an independent Kashmir and accept Indian Kashmir as an unalienable part of India.

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  • Arijit Sharma
    Apr 18, 2012 - 12:01PM

    The Sharif brothers are playing good-cop bad-cop. One wants to drop Siachen, the other talks about Kashmir again.

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  • Mansour Ahsan
    Apr 18, 2012 - 12:57PM

    Pledging money to the families and bearing educational expenses of the children is a good gesture. What remains to be seen is whether they “actually” get the money, as has been seen in the past on various news channels where people have been crying that we never got the money that was pledged by the Punjab government. I wouldn’t necessarily jump for joy right now.

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  • Shah
    Apr 18, 2012 - 1:21PM

    @Rajendra Kalkhande:

    As if Pakistanis trust indians…India doesnt respect UN regarding kashmir. India also doesnt care abt Indus Basin Treaty.

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  • Lala Gee
    Apr 18, 2012 - 1:48PM

    @Pragmatist:

    “If you have a shred of proof, why don’t you take it to any international forums and declare India as culprits just like India did with LeT, JuD, ISI and Hafiz Saeed.”

    I guess you’ve been out of touch with the news recently, otherwise you must have heard of US bounty of US$ 10 million for providing proofs of Hafiz Saeed’s – of LeT and JuD – involvement in Mombai attacks. Had you had any proof then what was the need for a bounty of such a huge amount for providing information. What proofs did you have when you immediately started involving ISI and Let in Mumbai attacks? We have the intelligence and information gained from the captured terrorists and already shared it with our friendly countries.

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  • malik
    Apr 18, 2012 - 6:06PM

    My brother used to play the same game with me when we were kids.

    He’d say, let’s both stop touching the fridge for 2 hours; then, after 1 hour, I see him finishing off the last scoop of icecream from the freezer. He’d say, let’s both remove our school bags from the table and keep it clean. After some time, my bag will be in some corner, while his books will be neatly arranged all over the study table.

    I must say, to his credit, it worked for a while !

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  • jamal
    Apr 18, 2012 - 6:23PM

    @Thinktank:
    technically speaking yes, actually a website can ban itself to be viewed in certain parts of the world (if the users are not using proxy softwares). try to buy a mobile package from US or UK and you ll see

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  • Omair
    Apr 19, 2012 - 3:03AM

    KHK heres news report on use of Punjab Govt resources http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-13-14003-Pakistan-should-take-lead-in-pulling-out-of-Siachen-Nawaz

    I have only one question for Nawaz Sharif, he was twice the Prime Minister. And in fact in 1996 2/3rd majority. If he really meant it, and wanted to forces withdrawn from Siachen, why didnt he do it? Just playing with a national tragedy for political point scoring. If you dont open your eyes and minds now, Pakistan can only go further down this spiral.

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  • Babloo
    Apr 19, 2012 - 6:23AM

    Anyone who thinks that India supports or finances TTP is not worthy of discussion.

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  • Hindustani
    Apr 19, 2012 - 8:14AM

    INDIANS AND PAKISTANIS,

    Live in the present.

    And presently -

    India has an economy that can support 100 Siachen type situations. So, we should keep pumping billions and billions and keeping the Pakistani army in ultra-active mode every single second. Keep Pakistani army on high alert. Build up our own arms and army near the border.

    Result : Pakistanis will spend more and more on defense and the economy which is crumbling will fail even faster. With a failed economy, Pakistan will disintegrate. This is bound to happen.

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  • S.Lal
    Apr 19, 2012 - 1:40PM

    Pakistan should agree to mark and sign the positions on map. It will ensure that India will not occupy the positions vacated by Pakistan. But India should not withdraw from Siachin in view of the possibilty of China occupying Siachin to secure its road to Xinkiang.

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  • S.Lal
    Apr 19, 2012 - 1:45PM

    @Tara:
    Pakistani troops withdrawal first does not mean anything until positions are maked on maps and signed. Pakistan will surely repeat Kargil at Siachin but signing the maps will ensure a bit of deterance and loss of face.

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  • S.Lal
    Apr 19, 2012 - 2:04PM

    @Lala Gee:
    Before 1965, there were no marked positions. In 1965 war, to secure it approach road to Ladakh from Pakistan army’s firing, India positioned its troops on Kargil height. At that time all western powers were with Pakistan, Pakistan being member of CEATO and CENTO/NATO. They forced India to vacate Kargil Heights with an undertaking given by Pakistan that it will never threaten of fire on traffic on India’s Ladakh road. Pakistan signs agreements to wriggle itself out of difficult situations and forgets about them thereafter. That is what it did in 1971 war, Pakistan army blocked the road by firing. In retaliation, India forced Pak army to vacate those Heights and occupied the same. In 1972, positions were marked, maps were signed with Kargil Heights remaining with India because ,now, India was not ready to trust any assurances by anybody. Why are you misleading the people? If you go back and back in history, then, Pakistan does not exist.

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  • James
    Apr 19, 2012 - 2:24PM

    @Lala Gee:
    You accuse Indians of unable to see facts.You have stated that Kargil was part of India by the 1972 accord.That means that both countries have to respect the mutually agreed border or Line of Control.It does not mean that Pakistan can cross over because they felt it was justified.If it was justified why did Pakistan not state that it was their military that was occupying Kargil.Instead they came out with the usual denial and blamed the mujahideen.Fact is it was Pakistan who commited aggression in Kargil when they did not respect the agreed Line of Control.Are you not guilty of ignoring facts and making excuses for aggression

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  • James
    Apr 19, 2012 - 2:39PM

    @Lala Gee:
    Read about Indian involvement in BLA in this blog .http://aacounterterror.wordpress.com/2010/01/17/pakistans-conspiracy-culture/.As for TTP,it was a high ranking Pakistani who said that Baitullah Mehsud was a patriot Funny that you now accuse them of being Indian agents

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  • James
    Apr 19, 2012 - 2:43PM

    @roma:
    It is better to recieve all posts,as one want to see all view points

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  • James
    Apr 19, 2012 - 2:48PM

    @Ram:
    I think that Zorro has got through because it was sarcastic

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  • Asif Butt
    Apr 19, 2012 - 3:29PM

    @Hindustani:
    Keep dreaming …

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  • Salman
    Apr 19, 2012 - 5:33PM

    the purposal which only a sensible person can understand…..not like foolish persons talking about kargil or some thing else

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