Labour Party suspends Lord Nazir over Obama 'bounty'
The Lord also offered a similar incentive for the capture of former US president George Bush in response to a US reward for the capture of suspected terrorist Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, according to The Express Tribune newspaper.
Saeed, who founded the extremist group Lashkar-e-Taiba, is wanted for the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks in which 166 people were killed.
"We have suspended Lord Ahmed pending investigation," a Labour spokeswoman said.
"If these comments are accurate we utterly condemn these remarks which are totally unacceptable.
"The international community is rightly doing all in its power to seek justice for the victims of the Mumbai bombings and halt terrorism."
Ahmed apparently made the offer during a speech in Haripur, Pakistan, on Friday.
The peer, who was appointed to the House of Lords in 1998, called the US reward "an insult to all Muslims", according to the Pakistani news report.
"If the US can announce a reward of $10 million for the capture of Hafiz Saeed, I can announce a bounty of £10 million on President Obama and his predecessor George Bush," he is reported to have said.
Ahmed denied the comments but spoke out against Bush and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"I did not offer a bounty. I said that there have been war crimes committed in Iraq and Afghanistan and those people who have got strong allegations against them - George W Bush and Tony Blair have been involved in illegal wars and should be brought to justice," he said from Pakistan.
"If the Labour Party want to suspend me I will deal with the Labour Party. They will have to give me some evidence," he added.
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Take away his knighthood and give him a one-way ticket to Pakistan.
Channel 4 and the Telegraph Newspaper has shown the video of Lord Ahmad which reflect that he was quoted out of text in the Express Tribune.
@Umer:
"No one becomes war criminal just because you or suspended-Lord Nazir say so. Also remember Bangladesh and also Baluchistan which is still on-going."
No Country GROWS WMD's If British Prime Minister and US President SAY SO. And then go in on a false premise and kill thouands. Since they won the WAR US President and British Prime Minister are not YET declared "WAR CRIMINALS". Saddam's killing of his own people, Bangladesh and Baluchistan are other wrongs. Are you suggesting that pointing finger at Pakistan of its wrongs would make NATO RIGHTIOUS????????
TWO WRONGS DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT!!!!
@Lala Gee: "You Indians are unchallenged champions in the art of lying and deceit as well as obstinately resistant to accepting reasoning and facts."
He has been kicked out by the Labour party in UK not by any party in India. For someone stressing importance of reason and facts, your post seems to lack both.
@Lala Gee
He never used the words bounty “to kill” or “kidnap” and is neither mentioned * You Indians are unchallenged champions in the art of lying and deceit as well as obstinately resistant to accepting reasoning and facts.
Please enlighten us with your vastly superior intellect what this "Bounty" was for. Plus it was the labour party which kicked him out so where does India come into the picture at all? LOL. The fact is that Nasir has been kicked out and Indian accept it as a fact.
When people with low IQs run out of arguments they resort to abuses
No doubt understandably your reader would be confused with this story as on one hand you use the words like “apparently” and “reported” but yet it is your newspaper that HAVE reported the story. Thus, how can you say it is reported when you are the ones who are reporting it? Did your reporter hear Lord Nazir make these comments or are you going on hearsay? Please kindly clarify so that the truth can me heard.
@Truthbetold:
"Declaring a bounty to kill world leaders by an individual is not exactly a “right to opinion”"
He never used the words bounty "to kill" or "kidnap" and is neither mentioned in this particular news article. You Indians are unchallenged champions in the art of lying and deceit as well as obstinately resistant to accepting reasoning and facts.
@Anonymous:
"He is the funiest Lord ever"
That is why you Indians are acting in even more funniest way to take his place.
@Albert Kahn:
"E-Tribune. You said, the extremist group LeT, do you have any proof against them or Mr. Hafiz? Or you are just a Pakistani version of FOX News?"
You need to read news other than put out by ISPR. LeT and its leadership have been declared terrorists by the UN.
@A J Khan:
"UK suspends the right to opinion."
Declaring a bounty to kill world leaders by an individual is not exactly a "right to opinion"
@Umar:
No one becomes war criminal just because you or suspended-Lord Nazir say so. Also remember Bangladesh and also Baluchistan which is still on-going.
A stupid guy. I hail the british decision to suspend his membership of the upper house. Overseas pakistanis in britain are facing a lot of problems. Instead of dabbling into the native politics he should use his good offices to solve their problems. His position as a member of the upper house in britain also demands he should be politically active for the solution of british problems on the british soil.
@Lala Gee: "leading to a successful conviction in the International War Crimes Tribunal – which is totally legal, ethical, and acceptable"
Not arguing that people arrested and presented in front of War Crimes Tribunal are not War criminals. But howcome it is always the losing side that ends up there. Are you suggesting that winning side (NATO so far) never commits any War Crime???? Also try bringing War/Human rights criminals from ruling elite in Russia and China to that Tribunal.
Nothing wrong in expressing opinion and calling Spade a Spade (War criminal in this case).
@Mohammad:
"A welcome decision, Lord Nazir has taken oath to be loyal to British people and betraying them continuously. His citizenship must be revoked as well and sent back to Mir Pur Khas. Lord Nazir is nobody to interfere in Pakistani affairs. "
Can you explain how a call to bring a War Criminal to Juctice is disloyalty to Britian. AND is is from MIRPUR in AJK not MIRPUR KHAS which is in SINDH.
@Noble Tufail:
Wasn't Hitler Elected too???? War criminal is a War criminal. Elected, non-elected, Militant etc.
@Ali Hasan: "I would like to announce a bounty for people announcing bounties."
Thats exactly what Lord Nazir did. Now are you going to announce bounty for him as well as Obama and CIA?
@A J Khan: agree.lord ahmad.u r a true british muslim.please stand for ur beliefs and do not say that i did not mean.by the way ur views r well known.it is bebateable that ur views are any use o british musulims specially pakistan who r behind in all walk except CRIME
London gives shelter to many criminals and tax evaders from other countries. Britain has pampered large number of Mirpuris who send funds for Jihad in Kashmir and try to glorify Kashmir Jihad. So maybe British deserve people like this Lord. You reap what you sow.
@kaalchakra:
All he does is bad mouth Britain and its democratically elected leaders. Kinda comes out naturally from what says.
@Lala Gee:
You make up stuff as you go. No one mentioned killing with reference to this quote of his although killing was mentioned by a prominent Lahore based TV and it can be seen on YouTube.
However publicly trying to hire someone to abduct a US current or past president is a crime. A serious crime I would think. Let's hope US does not demand his extradition to US to put him on trial for that crime.
This lord nazir never replied when Uk was worried about pakistan's nuclear weapons ? he spoke wen his favourite maulana was attacked by media .
@Lala Gee: absolutely right
these are lies. this is the express tribune at its best: causing problems not only for pakistanis in pakistan but those who are sympathetic and friendly aboard like lord nazir. shame ET shame.
How can any fair-minded person question Lord Nazir's loyalty to the British Crown, British people and Western Civilization? Does he have to give anyone a certificate? Only because he is a Muslim? He is loyal to the British Crown, people and the West by speaking out the truth, by helping bring down corrupt terrorist people like Obama, British Prime Minister and all criminal people of the West!! Isn't that the greatest service he can do to Britain?!!
Or has speaking up for Islamic charities become acceptable form of 'crime' now?
serves him right he alaways back tracks from his statements i remember back in 2004 when he said no body wants benazir bhutto or nawaz sharif in pakistan cause they are corrupt who have looted pakistan so much and musharaf was the right person to lead pakistan than after he did get what he wanted from musharaf than he started calling him a dictator than started siding with nawaz sharif calling him a true leader what a hypercrite.
@Umer:
"PU statement of Lord Nazir’s speech at PU function where he declared bounty for Bush is here;"
"He said that the US had fixed the head money of Hafiz Saeed purposively to keep Pakistan in defensive position. In reverse, he said, I announce 10 million dollars reward against Mr George W Bush. He said that he would collect the money whether he had to beg in the streets but Bush and Tony Blair should be charged with war crimes."
I guess your English comprehension needs some help. Where did he used the word "bounty to Kill"? As Georg Bush is not in hiding so it must be for killing, which is clearly not the case as he further stated "but Bush and Tony Blair should be charged with war crimes". Therefore, the reward could only be for the help in providing enough evidence/witnesses leading to a successful conviction in the International War Crimes Tribunal - which is totally legal, ethical, and acceptable - as is the US bounty on Hafiz Saeed for Information leading to his successful prosecution.
Respect for Lord Nazir for speaking his mind. These same thoughts are shared by many others.
More Tits for tats! Wow fast paced Shoaib Akhtar Like response!
@mirza:
"Very very pleased to see Nazir is kicked out of House of Lords. He is useless man, he should be kicked out of UK also.Send him back to Kashmir to serve people there. He is very ambitious and very useless."
You have a unique mindset very different from a common Pakistani. No Pakistani can feel slightest happiness, let alone very very pleased, if someone of international significance, like the Lord Nazir Ahmed who always supported Pakistan and Kashmiris, goes down. I sometimes doubt if you are really a Pakistani as you pose in your comments.
This is Labor parties internal decision. If he has violated any code of conduct as a UK citizen and member of Labor party, then he will face the punishment. As an Indian, we dont approve his philosophy nor actions. Thats all.
Not enough! Take the 'honours' back! He must be kicked out of the 'House of Lords', and he should be banned from joining a political party ever again. This is how people like this hate monger must be brought down to their level of primitiveness and politics of expediency.
So much for 'Freedom of Speech'. Here it goes, down the drain.
@Ex: What is "anti-Pakistan" in reporting that Lord Nazir is suspended from the Labour Party? That's the truth, isn't it?
Inglish is not that free what he thought for. he may be forgot that he is kashmiri and what inglish did to kashmir sixty years ago.
Express tribune is known for its anti Pakistan agenda Shame on you
@Democrat
Why is he retracting his statement then? Labour party has every right to suspend his membership.
He is the funiest Lord ever
“an insult to all Muslims” who gave Mr Nazir the Right to speak for all Muslims??
he has right to emphasis his opinion whether is right or not, believe me or not both blair and Bush are war criminal and one they will get justice.
guys i m not a fan of Lord Nazir but i think we are all too harsh on him now. some newspaper reported that. there is no Video clip of him saying what was reported earlier. now its the same guy saying the opposite and news papers are reporting it.
we cannot just accept any newspaper reports untill a thorough investigation is done. can't just blame anyone .. and how harsh are we on him? did you guys just find some are claiming already that he is "back peddling" and " taking U-turn " and "destroyed his career" and "coward" and so many other things? are we going to judge people from newspaper reports? don't we know already that newspaper do report everything and sometimes its not exactly what's said and the news is reported out of context.
lets give the guy a chance and let the investigation be completed and only then we can target him . untill then we can wait no?
He is the Fox in Sheep's clothing !!! Militant ideology well entrenched, they are more dangerous to liberal societies than militants.
Looks like England has second largest number of indoctrinated expat pakistanis , next to Pakistan.
Lord Nazir , we are proud of you, the nation is with you.
Condemning a person before hearing him is truly a pattern of UK and USA. Don't we have a right to hear the person concerned before we judge him. USA's illegal attack on Iraq and now on Afghanistan shows the true nature of American Government. Iran is the next country to be attacked. By the way, who has given the right to USA to determine who is a terrorist and who is not. This is called bullying tactics. Pakistani courts have the sole right to determine who is a criminal AND not Washington.
How is Lord Nazir different from Hizbut Tehrir?
The centuries long atrocities of the farangis in India or the collective atrocities of this white race in Iraq; Afghanistan and Libya are repulsive and criminal and must always be condemned vigorously.
Lord Nazir Ahmad as an European is certainly not the first and the last to accuse Bush, Blair, Sarkozy or Obama of war crimes.
@MarkH:
and if you are trying to compare USA which calls itself is the epoch of modern civilization with Hafiz Saeed and co which you term as the ultimate personification of terrorsim, then God help you... i thought there should be some difference between the two...but you say no they should behave alike... and i m sure US govt advisors are no different than you...no wonder the USA is in such a mess today....
Hahahahah hahahaha. Now, don't try to seek a political career here "Lord".
@asad: stop supporting these terrorists, these Mullahs are burning are dear country and are a major hindrance to progress.
@Albert Kahn:
come on man..cant you see the top? ET is subsidiary of International Herald Tribune... or may be you were thinking it was a pakistani newspaper?
I agree with Lord Nazir, Labour party can go screw itself
now he is back tracking.. what a dumb man !!
I knew he was going to deny ever having offered a bounty. It was an idiotic thing to do. He got carried away when he was applauded for saying bounty on Saeed is an insult of Muslims. Such people should never be given any importance as they will say anything to be in news.
All Pakistanis calling Lord Nzair brave - you probably haven;t read this article properly. He is already back pedallinga nd denying that he said the 'brave ' things you are applauding him for
Now what Nawaz will do without Nazir in the house of lords. Anyway now he can join PMLN and help Nawaz.
Nazir is an Kashmiri insurgent, trying to show the world that house of lords is discussing kashmir, when he has private discussions in committees. Nazir instead of representing interests of UK, is representing interests of terrorists and jihadis. Time he was thrown out of UK, lock stock and barrel. Labour has done right to suspend a member who is bringing harm to party, and country.
why don't you make hafiz saeed president of pakistan, he will have presidential immunity then.
@asad: Everyone but Pakistan. Like all the world's problems. Happy?
@Democrat: I've yet to see you speak from a position that Pakistan is actually in. It makes you look like a spokesman for the negative things happening in your country. Your name alone goes to show you just see yourself the way you want to. Just because you label yourself something, it doesn't give you a new personality.
You guys saying it's about his opinion are a little on the slow side. He offered a bounty for someone to capture them. That means, he was publicly hiring someone to kidnap the president of US. That's not the same thing as the US bounty on its own. There are plenty of other legal issues that could be thrown in, too.
Very very pleased to see Nazir is kicked out of House of Lords. He is useless man, he should be kicked out of UK also.Send him back to Kashmir to serve people there. He is very ambitious and very useless.
Lord Nazir good show
Problem with Pakistanis is that they think they can get away with the same language and rhetoric, the kind they are habitual of using in Pakistan, when discussing matter at international fora. One just has to look at the kind of words and language used for ahmadis, christians, hindus, americans, indians, etc in the news channels and national newspapers, which is far from civil, let alone of international standards. In Pakistan they get away with it since nobody cares, but outside they get in trouble.
He used "If" and "can" in his earlier statement. i think his Lordship will weasel out of his self-created predicament.
A welcome decision, Lord Nazir has taken oath to be loyal to British people and betraying them continuously. His citizenship must be revoked as well and sent back to Mir Pur Khas. Lord Nazir is nobody to interfere in Pakistani affairs.
@Democrat:
and who is responsible for it?
This man was so hungry for popularity in Pakistan and AJK. I think that is good punishment for him.
He got his ten minutes of fame - maybe he can move to Pakistan and run for office?
E-Tribune. You said, the extremist group LeT, do you have any proof against them or Mr. Hafiz? Or you are just a Pakistani version of FOX News?
If USA does not care for her barbaric terrorist activities in Pakistan and this region then we really don't care about its concerns. Frankly Mumbai issue is just a stage issue of USA as we all know how double faced this terrorist govt is.
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! blows up some poor innocent schmuck's car
PU statement of Lord Nazir's speech at PU function where he declared bounty for Bush is here;
http://pu.edu.pk/home/section/seminars/1445
@A J Khan:
How? UK is not killing anyone in the name of Blasphemy.
Lord Nazir wanted to be a hero and he got what he deserved.
haha ... the guy seems to be a ripe candidate for the PTI
Shoot first, ask questions later. An eye for an eye? Why is that all our polticians are sooooooooooo damn emotional? Will serve him right if the labor party kicks him out. Being a person of this stature, he needs to weigh what he says, and not to please a certain block.
He can be provided safe Exile in Pakistan now, just like the terrorist Hafiz Sayeed , he can collect money from entire world to fight against non Muslims in name of Jehad
good move! his millions in illegally accumulated british money should be locked and entire family thrown out of britain. An ungrateful double faced opportunist, supporting international criminals.
You are the true Lord, Lord Nazir, brave enough to tell the truth, man enough to stand up for the brave Hafiz Saeed who has dedicated his entire life to serving mankind in Pakistan. You have the hearts of millions.
I would like to announce a bounty for people announcing bounties.
...wanted for the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks in which 166 people were killed?? Dear Tribune wanted by whom???Didnt Supreme court acquited Hafiz Saeed! do we really need to take the same line as Indian Government?
inmy comment yesterday I said labour party will take action and it has Lord Ahmad is responsible for misrepresenting Muslims ,he is in England to work for poor and deprived muslimsnis ,not for Iraq and Afghanistan ,if he was unhappy with tiny blairs actions why did he not resighn while many members of labour party did aphis problem is that loke all Pakistani leaders he wants to get fame and office at the cast of people ,Apart from representing the extreem sections of britis Muslim society ,what is his achievement
He is more loyal to Nawaz Sharif than anyone else... That makes him the most stupid person in UK.
What a useless political coward Milliband is. It was just a piece of rhetoric and actually quite to the point. No wonder George Galloway gave Labour a hiding.
Goes on to show how immature this person is.
Well said Mr. Nazir............. I admire for the guts he showed!! bravo!
Emotionally retarded
I just cant imagine a british parlimentarian announcing bounty for twice elected President George Bush and once elected President Obama. There is only one possible explaination to it.. that Nazir too is an extremist like countless others.
heheheheh...very soon to retract. I hope he does not sue ET for publishing that news :)
where is YOUR freedom of expressions.....????......WHEN IT COMES TO ISLAM you don't even say A WORD AGAINST THE denmark CARTOONIST!!!!............
Lot of respect for Lord Sahib, but that's why they say, ''Pehle tolo phir bolo". Rightly suspended.
so after giving justice to the people of iraq and afghanistan, the "world" wants to give justice to mumbai? well done... why the US and the West just cannot mind their own business? i can safely say that hatred towards these countries has increased by 2000 percent during the last 10-15 years....
Very good... Atleast someone have the guts for such open thing....
@Nasir Ahmad,
Lol!.. You need evidance for your remark? You spoiled your own life. You cannot escape now, you have to face British music.
He let his emotions get the better of him. Dumb.
This man is not a hypocrite - that is for sure.
Serves him well.
This politician is now back peddling. What do his supporters have to say about his U turn?
He was asking for it
An example of double standards. US bounty is without evidence. That is wrong to start with and what Lord Nazir said was equally reprehensible. Shame on both of them.
UK suspends the right to opinion.
Now Lord Nazir will become Calipha Nazir.