Pakistan has addiction of using militants against India: Pentagon official

How come has this become a news?! It’s a common sense.

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It’s the usual US-Israel-India propoganda to discredit this peace-loving country.There are no militants in Pakistan.Only freedom fighters.

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Well, it may be an “addiction”. But we all know what happens to “addicts” in the end. What Pakistan is suffering from today is the direct result of this addiction. I hope good sense prevails before it is too late.

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Ha! Isnt that a Deja Vu for the CIA, when it was about routing out the Russians from Afghanistan, and then they used the ISI to do the same through such militants? Even the CIA enjoyed the cheap resources, without having to indulge in a full flledge confrontation with the Russians.

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Thats not (un) true!Recommend

This is what India has been saying for so long years, ‘Terrorism as Instrument of State Policy”. Pakistan should remember that, “one who live by the sword, die by the sword”.

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Our bad habit of needling neighbours never fades, while we continue to whinge and conjure up global conspiracies when they retaliate.

The more things change, the more they remain the same…

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Biased and shortsighted..

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When you don’t pay attention to the history, root causes, and the outstanding issues, this “addiction” is inevitable and is bound to go on and on from both sides….

India’s illegal occupation of Kashmir must end, and the issue must be resolved!

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It won´t be exaggerated to assert, that all Pakistani institutions have misused its citizens by thoroughly poisoning them to hate Hindu India. Today Hindu is an accepted abusive word in the Pakistani society and the armed Pakistanis(militants) are the heroes of the nation.

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Well, tit for tat… We started this by supporting militancy in Bangla Desh and got it seperated from Pak. Didn’t US supported mujahideen in 80′s? Its just a country putting their views, no body should really care about such shallow statements.

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Just like U . S . A used and funded them against U .S .S .R. during Afghan War!!!!

Kaisa???

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I wish i could disagree with it. Pakistanis need to understand solutions to their most of problems lie in better relationship with India. as recently as yesterday, India offered 5000 MW of power to Pakistan.

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Addiction is the right word used. Entire Pakistan generation is raised with anti India sentiments. Through school curriculum, media. Pakistani military exists because of India. If there is peace with India, what will Pakistani military do. Pakistani military and ISI need India as enemy for their job security. Every country has an army, Pakistani army has a country.

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My brother @Afghan Karachiite: I do not understand your dichotomy. Sitting in Pakistan you are blaming our brothers in faith the Pakistani nation. I have been reading your posts for quite some time. These people have helped us for more then 20 years and provided our mother’s & wife’s shelter that they much needed. Sitting in Karachi I do not expect this at least from you.

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Pakistan learned from India when India armed, financed and trained mukti bahini rebels in Indian camps, also infiltrated Indian army regulars in the guise of rebels, to cross into East Pakistan and their mass genocide against Pakistanis and Bengalis. Now when Pakistan pays back in the same coin, Indians run to UN and US crying. As you sow, so shall you reap. Its time for India to reap and weep.

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OMG! I am feeling so sorry for the innocent Indians. They are the most peaceful nation in the world. Indians are just in Afghanistan and Baluchistan to play T20 over there. Right?

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@ajaved:
what is India doing in Kashmir? Sending back all the kashmiri Hindus back home to Kashmir.Latest strategy!

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The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is that the former believes in killing innocent people and has some hidden agenda, or may be misguided by somebody influential. While the latter simply strives for freeing his motherland and has full support from his own countrymen. So, Bengalis in Bangladesh fully supported the Mukti Bahini soldiers. Should I expect the same from Pakistani citizens to support Let and Al-Qaida ?

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I think America is playing and using them for their own interests

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@adeel759:
They did not offer anything for free, it is a business offer which will involve pakistan paying them handsome amount of money in case the deal is finalized, so what is big thing about that.

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@pardesi:”tibetans, sitting illegally on Chinese land and the land of Kashmiris.”
wow,Tibetans sitting on Chinese land,rewriting the history is not a new thing for Pakistanis but keep it restrained to pakistan which would reduce no of people laughing at you at the moment.
@Pakistan&BruteFart:oh,neither we are making song and dance nor bengalis making hue and cry about the mukti bahini,in fact it was/is pakistanis who didn’t like the smell,sound,look of the Bengalis and tried enforce your Arabized islam on them and your carnal desire to see every person on earth as a muslim led you into a blackhole which in turn sucked every one into it,try to get out of it before you comment any further

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The Indian/American reaction is amusing (or pathetic). Some of us have been saying forever that Pakistan will never change its strategy because it is fundamental to how Pakistan views itself. From Pakistan’s point of view, nothing else can make any sense.

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“And I think that we’re going to continue to work through it and hopefully again have another 10 years of success in degrading al Qaeda’s strategic capability in the FATA and elsewhere.”
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In case you didn’t know it – that’s American speak for “were going to continue drone attacks”.

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@Reddy:
its the indian sitting on Chinese land illegally not the tibetans. Tibet is part of China and will always remain so. India has a long history of hiding behind democracy and commiting crimes but outside of East Pakistan it has not worked. Srilanka strategy failed, Kashmir we will see, Burma is a misreable failure and in Nepal its looking a bit sad as well.

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Pakistan sees Hindus as its greatest enemy. They equate India with Hindus. Generations of children were fed this idea. Children are taught to hate Hindus. School history books are altered and even school events such as plays and skits show Hindu as a person to be hated.
This hatred for Hindus has resulted in forced conversions that are supported generally by most in Pakistan and some try to cover it up as free-will conversion. The hatred has spread to hate others also such as Ahmadis, Shias and Baloch. Anyone who Pakistan thinks is friendly with India is considered as an enemy of Pakistan and Islam has been used to achieve this purpose. The victimization of Baluch is for the same reasons as Pakistan considers Baluch are friendly with India. The same thing is happening in Afghanistan and Pakistan creates trouble in Afghanistan as it considers Afghanistan friendly to India. USA become an enemy of Pakistan as it got closer to India. As China gets closer, it is becoming an enemy of Pakistan. Terrorists are trained in Pakistan and sent to China too. However, Pakistan army is very scarred of Chinese as Chinese can be brutal. So, spread of terror activities from Pakistan to China is restricted for now but shall keep spreading. Even the atrocities carried on by Pakistan in 1970 – 1971 on Bangladesh and the hatred for Bengalis were a result of Pakistan’s perception that Bangladesh had a significant Hindu population. Unfortunately, nothing would change in the near future as Pakistan has created over two generations with hate philosophy. As Pakistan lacks capacity for open military actions, it tries to achieve its goal through terrorists. Times have changed and Pakistan is no longer able to sent the terrorists it created to other countries. Confined within Pakistan, the terrorists have started attacking Pakistan as they have to keep continuing their terror activities to remain relevant. Recommend

@kaalchakra:
Pakistan WILL eventually have to change its strategy – one way or another. By the way things are going, it may not be a long time coming.

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To all the Indians commenting here: don’t forget that India has also been creating unrest in Pakistan through proxy groups for ages, and if India is so good, it should stop supporting the militant groups in Balochistan and all over Pakistan.

(When I say India, I mean some people in the Indian Government, Military and Intelligence)

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@Much Amused: But support to militancy is their before india came to afganistan…… how would you justify now ?

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@Mian: “Just One question.
What do you say about Mukti Bani Movement which India supported to divide Pakistan”
SOme questions for you:
1. Were Mukti Bahini indigenous to Bangladesh (then East Pakistan)? (Lashkar-e-taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad are not indigenous to India).
2. Did India deny supporting Mukti Bahini? (Pakistan does pretend that it des not support LeT and JeM).
3. India had got over 8 milion refugees from what was then East Pakistan due to the Operation by Pakistan’s own army against its own people which prompted India’s involvement. Has Pakistan receievd 8 million refugees from India?

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just like america has addiction of using troops against Muslim Countries

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Pentagon hit the spot. Our military is not only problem for neighbors but also own country!Recommend

WASHINGTON: Stating that Pakistan has used terror groups in Kashmir against India, the US has cautioned Islamabad that it is making “a serious, grievous, strategic error” by supporting these outfits.

*Pakistan believes that it can keep a “wild animal in the backyard” and it will only go after its neighbour, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said. She delivered her remarks at the Kumpuris Distinguished Lecture Series here.*
But, there are too many stories where that doesn’t turn out like that, she said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Pak-making-error-by-supporting-terror-groups-against-India-US/articleshow/10193162.cms

“It’s like that old story – you can’t keep snakes in your backyard and expect them only to bite your neighbours. Eventually those snakes are going to turn on whoever has them in the backyard,” Clinton said during a joint news conference with Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar in Islamabad
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/snakes-in-your-backyard-wont-bite-only-neighbours-hillary-to-pak-143068
Present anarchy in Pakistan can be directly attributed to Pakistan using Islamic extremists as state policy to influence Afghanistan and Kashmir .The region became awash with weapons which fell into wrong hands supplied by USA and financed by Saudi Arabia . The same have turned against Pakistani state Recommend

@Raj – USA:

In your message, if you change two words – Hindus with Muslim and Pakistan with India – then you will not see much difference between what is going on to minorities in both countries. Difference is that India being a larger player/force gets by with most of that but Pakistan doesn’t. Like anyone else, you have forgotten what happened in Muslims in Gujrat. Have you forgotten how Muslim women were raped and men were burnt alive? Hindus blamed Muslim to instigate those riots but later on it turned out that it was Hindus who started them. You will not see anything even remotely close to that in Pakistan. Still there was no uproar by you or any sane person out there to what Hindus did to Muslim in secular India.

In how many Indian States there are anti-India movements? Pakistan doesn’t have will or resources to fan them like India did in East Pakistan, now Bangladesh. Now India has created so called consulates/cultural centers all along Pakistani border in Afghanistan. What these centers are doing so close to Pakistani border – selling opium or dolling money to fan anti-Pakistan sentiments in Baluchistan? In fact many of so called Baluch leaders of anti-Pakistan movement have been seen interacting with Indian officials of those centers. But it is unfortunate that Pakistan has not been able to bring all this to world forum – except at Sharm-el-Sheikh where Manmohan Singh made an oblique acknowledgement of that fact and promised to stay away from Baluchistan. Do you remember that?

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Just as in East Pakistan, if ever a civil war breaks out in West Pakistan and 10 million refugees stream into India, India may need to intervene in W Pakistan too.
But that would be just to restore a civilized government and not to take even an inch of Pakistan territory.

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partiality will mar Pakistan

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@Much Amused:
My dear friend, Afghanistan is as sovereign a country as Pakistan and when the Afghan Government chooses to cooperate with India rather than with Pakistan so be it. Afghanistan is not a Pakistani province!

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@Much Amused: “Get India out of Afghanistan and get them to stop meddling in Balochistan. The so called Pakistani militancy will be reduced to a great extent.”…………Excuses!!!

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@Perplexed:

Amazing, so many Muslims died in those Gujarat riots and your generation missed it out. Here is a clip of that:

“On Feb. 27, 2002, a train fire in Gujarat state killed 60 Hindu pilgrims. Muslims were blamed for the fire and weeks of rioting followed. More than 1,100 people, almost all Muslim, were killed or went missing as Hindu mobs rampaged through towns and villages. Tens of thousands were left homeless as rioters set fire to Muslim homes and businesses.”

You may want to see this vide as well and feel for them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Tv2uGW1-M

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@Pakistan: “Indians are just in Afghanistan and Baluchistan to play T20 over there. Right?”…….Have you ever caught any single Indian in any terrorism act in Baluchistan ????? You are like the kid who loves to cry wolf.

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@Saleem: A much is being spoken about many people in India and Pakistan about Godhra incident and media and people like you who claim to have knowledge have made this incident a tool to throw at each other. While people like me who saw the riot first hand try hard to forget those days and wish that somehow it erases from memory. I am a scheduled caste Hindu so my association with Hindu is weak while with Muslims is almost the same. I have constantly seen Pakistani talking about the numers of muslims killed and raped. The real number is 2837 on record and much more not on record. Congress which loves to appease muslims and are in constant try to replace Gujarat CM since he is a BJP guy have manipulated quite many reports and infact hindered Krishna commision report multiple times preventing a fair assessment. The total numbers in Godhra my town is 1642 muslims died, 1273 Hindus and rest people like me who are sadly never counted. My schedule cast community has both Hindus and Muslims and many of my people died and we dont hear anybpody crying for us. Even the imam and pundits here would not want to count us in their list of people dead. So yes Godhra incident was unfortunate and there is no definite theory who started it, cause those who started it are dead, so there are only conspiracy theories by survivors on who started ofcourse each side will blame the other. So for all those who seriously think they know about Godhra incident please stop your bakwaas cause you guys have no idea apart from using Godhra for your own personal debate against Hindu or Muslims. The fact is until the riot and after the riot muslims and hindus in Godhra live peacefully, its only the media and religious bigots who love to pick on this incident and use it for their personal agenda.

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@Munda Baloch: they did 1971 same thing.

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No responses to defend US policy from “US Centcom” monitoring?

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……and who did America use to get the Soviets out of Afghanistan ???

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@Gujrati from Godhra

Hallellujah! Unfortunately you are preaching to the wrong choir, this choir’s beliefs and values are twisted and distorted. People whose mental faculties are functioning at optimum levels know the truth about Muslims and their status in India.

We have people like Azim Premji and Yusuf Hamied in India, the day Pakistan produces a Hindu billionaire then we will trade barbs. Until then stop beating this dead horse.

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@Mian: I would say it was a job well done. too bad you didn’t like it.

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@Much Amused:
Pakistan should also get out of afghanistan… by the way we give 1 billion dollars to afghanistan every year in aid, send our doctors, allow them to migrate to india if they want.. wht does pak do just allow them to migrate to pak … no aid , nothing, cause pakistan itself is a failed state,, a country tht does not give anything to anyone cant expect to be the bosses.. we will do wht we wnt..have any problem, come face us like a man, rathan thn depending on the taliban to face us…

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@BruteForce: “Let us recap: How many have died in India because of Pak sponsored Terror? Few dozens.

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I generally tend to agree with you. I differ on this point though. You are probably thinking of incidents like 26/11 when you say only a few dozen Indians have died in Pak sponsored terror. In the nineties, thousands of Indians died in Kashmir due to Pak pushing Afghan mujahidins into Kashmir.

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@Uzair Javaid: :ET – would you do the honours of producing a single article which shows india’s meddling in Balochistan?”

Well if there were any facts to back that up, I am sure ET would write such an article. As it is, ET is a newspaper not an idelogue like Zaid Hamid who spews venom unsupported by facts, so it is unlikely that you would see such articles.

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Just like india has addiction of harming Pakistan every opportunity it gets. Their 11 consulates in Afghanistan are just for “consular” purposes right? just like Raymond Davis was Diplomat.
Indians do no bad, they are the most pious creatures on earth. The Kasmiris is not an issue, 100,000 died of “natural causes”, This world is Flat and Only evil is Pakistan.

And by the way, look at the number of indians posting on here, one can clearly see their utter hateful mentality.

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First an off topic comment, it seems that more than any other newspaper in Pakistan, ET is popular among Indians and all those not happy with Pakistan :P

Coming back to topic, Yes there was injustice in east Pakistan but that doesn’t give any right to India to supply arms to “Mukti Bahini” or in these days “Bhugti Bahini”.

Today in Kashmir the situation is same ! For those who deny ! then why it’s the only state where paramilitary troops are patrolling the streets, if no injustice then y u have those troops have rights to kill anyone with out any judicial case ! So just keep the role of Pakistan aside for a moment but don;t call them terrorists ! If they are terrorists then Mukti Bahini were also terrorists by the same definition, they only need the right for self determination. And if you indians are that open minded and believers in free will then ask kashmiris what they want ! Right now they are only asking for the status that was before 1989 …. you don;t have enough guts to provide them the same status !

Coming to US, Ok lets assume that evidence (which were never made public) for 9/11 tells us that it was from within Afghanistan, one can justify war with Afghanistan, but Iraq ….. where are the (4 letter word + ing) weapons of Mass destruction ! They destroyed iraq on the expense of Iraq and claiming that they have liberated the country …. damn ! Now there is no security for Iraqi people no food no electricity no clean water … this is what you call freedom ! I would prefer to live under a dictator who is willing to give me bread, clean water, security but won;t favor this kind of democracy.

Libya ! Whole europe crushed a beautiful country ! reasons ? atrocities of dictator on the protesters ! are you serious ! what about the protestors killing pro Qadafi people, should not the government protect people and their property from those mobs ! Government in US cannot even stand a peaceful protest like occupy wall street and is criticizing libyan gov over killing those protesting mobs and on the first place why the protest started … they had everything the region doesn;t posses.

So moral of the story is if the atrocities are done with uniform, with most sophisticated fighter planes built in factories in europe or US and is sponsored and supported by west then it is struggle for freedom … but if you don;t have resources and you are adapting gorilla tactics the unfortunately by the definition most learned once you are a terrorist !

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@kaalchakra, if what Pakistanis think is true and India-Israel and US are fomenting terrorism in Balochistan, the issue would have been sorted by now. The Balochistan issue has been simmering for 65 years and it wouldn’t have taken too much effort from the three nations to separate Balochistan. The fact that it is still a part of Pakistan shows that there has been no outside interference.

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@ Rahool gandhi :why pakistanis using Indian name as their identity ….very very shame.

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@Kaalchakra – Pakistan has its own legitimate – at least to herself – view of benefits and costs quite different from India’s or America’s.

So how does this cost benefit view of Pakistan is helping her ?? Because from where we can see the guys like Dawood and Osama are only bringing shame. May be shame has a different meaning in Pakistan. After all everyone was annoyed at killing of Osama.

I hope Pakistan changes for good and many like you get a lease of life too. Oh wow that was rhyme.

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i am pakistani and i always feel bad about role of establishment in this country.why we always like fight ,guns and war.after so much damage we still believe on conspiracy theories.please always like same thing for others as we like for ourselves.

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@Much Amused:
OK, agreed (if you wish so) but why can’t Pakistan control what happening INSIDE it’s borders rather then what happens across its borders. Seems like Pakistan is more interested in controlling what happens outside its borders then inside! and whose is going to push “India” out of Balochistan…our politicians seem to have no interest in the issue and yet we blame India for this. Great thinking and I am Pakistani too. Meddling in somebody else’s affairs whilst doing nothing about your’s (and also not admitting the problem) will not take us anywhere.

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Akash

The argument that Dawood Ibrahim and Osama brought ‘shame’ to Pakistan is silly. May be to a small number of Pakistanis who must interact directly with the West, or to wagah welles. Even Musharraf – as thoroughly Westernized and moderately enlightened a Pakistani as they come – put it in so many clear words – Ibrahim Dawood is a hero. Just like AQ Khan. No nation turns its heroes over to the enemies for ‘rational’ reasons. Or change its basic philosophical framework. The problem is that India and American themselves live in perpetual delusions, and blame Pakistan for their own incompetence. Now, we have a bunch of American jokers who are all surprised why Pakistan has unleashed uncontrolled fury against Mr Afridi – who helped find Mr Osama Bin Laden!

Pakistan need not and will not see the world as America and India do. Get used it. It’s been decades!

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@Kaalchakra, Just because Musharraf drank whisky and spoke English, does not in anyway mean he was modern and enlightened. But yea although he did Kargil (which was useless) still he was better than many right wing nut cases that roam Pakistan.

Anyways mate, Pakistan needs lot of luck if you consider Osama, Dawood, Hafeez Sayeeds, LeT, etc etc as your heroes.

Its not the question of seeing world through India’s or America’s eyes. Its the way civilized nations function. Even thought David Coleman Headley was American when his involvement was certain in Mumbai attack, America gave India the access to question him and we will legally try to extradite him. Anyways he is serving jail for his crime in US. US did not make him Hero. Even Islamic countries work like that. India has extradition treaty with many Islamic countries.

There are many examples… if a national of one country commits crime in another nation either he/she is handed over to that nation or justice is done in same country. We Indians will never see that happen in regards to criminals who are hiding in Pakistan. They have killed innocent people. Only sick people and sick country makes them a hero.

So as I said before, all the best, I hope the attitude you have is an exception because if majority of the Pakistanis think like you then it sure means difficult days ahead.

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@Kaalchakra,
I hope Pakistan continues to see the world as it has done for last 65 years, including losing 1/2 the country and now doing as US says for money. I want met an uneducated, uncouth idiot. Who said everyone says he is an idiot but he thinks he is very smart.

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@munnabhai:

You’re getting to be totally delusional. Stop drinking whatever you’re drinking, I think you’ve had enough

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@kaalchakra: Appalled at your reasoning. No wonder Pakistan is in such a mess if people think like you!

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Let us close this arguing. the Case of Mr Fai has shown the world what Fai and ISI are doing.

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@Zeta:
India has one embassy in Kabul and 4 consulates in Herat ,Jalalabad,Kandahar and Mazar -e Sharif.Pakistan has the same number.These 11 consulates are a figment of your imagination.If there are 11 consulates ,can you provide the addresses.Recommend

@Harry Stone:
Dear Harry,
you got it half right, but unfortunately for Pakistan the U.S., with its usual deviousness, started or encouraged most of the militancy in the Pakistan/Afghan/India area, and now is choosing to blame Pakistan for it. I am not really sure what America’s end game is, but if it is anything like what they have been up to over the last ten years Pakistan/Iran/Syria could be in trouble from a propaganda point of view if not all out war. They are the last three independent Muslim dominoes standing. I do not really think the U.S./Zionists in Washington know what to do. The Americans have got themselves into an awful mess in Afghanistan. It is just like a repeat performance of Vietnam. They want to get out. They are not worried about troop or civilian losses, but the war is costing them an awful lot of money and loss of military prestige. Thus, until they can get out what better thing can they do than blame Pakistan for all their bad decisions and tactical losses, which are almost reaching the strategic level. In simple terms, America has not won the war, she is going broke, she wants out, she wants a scapegoat. What better scapegoat can she find than Pakistan.

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