Lal Masjid cleric wants enforcement of Shariah

Published: March 28, 2012

After lengthy speech, the cleric was asked to sit down and let the lawyers argue instead. PHOTO: SANA/FILE

ISLAMABAD: 

And now he wants enforcement of Shariah law in the country.

After already managing to get pricey land in Sector H-11 for rebuilding the madrassah (a girls’ seminary) that was razed during the 2008 military operation, firebrand Lal Masjid cleric Abdul Aziz shifted attention in the Supreme Court from the mosque’s reconstruction to the enforcement of Sharia law in the country. He called on the chief justice to take suo motu notice of the delay in the enforcement of Islamic laws for which “we rendered great sacrifices”.

A three-judge bench of the Supreme Court headed by Chief Justice (CJ) Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry on Tuesday sought reply from the government on a suo motu case on Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa along with a contempt petition filed by Maulana Aziz within seven days.

The court also issued notices to the Capital Development Authority (CDA) chairman, Islamabad chief commissioner and the interior secretary to appear before the bench in person during the next hearing on April 25.

When the court asked Aziz about his grievances, he replied that “the court was not taking suo motu notice to enforce Shariah in the Islamic state”. Although Chief Justice Chaudhry strictly asked him to confine himself to his grievance, Aziz continued his speech in court. The chief justice then asked him to present his argument, rather than making a speech. Aziz urged the court to take suo motu notice and direct the parliament to pass a bill imposing Shariah law in the country. Justice Khilji Arif Hussain observed that policymaking was not the court’s job, but that of the government.

But an adamant Aziz continued his denouncement of the government, ignoring at least two requests by the seemingly annoyed judges to wind up his Friday sermon-esque speech.

Aziz finally ended his speech by asked the chief justice to take “big” suo motu measures to enforce Shariah in the country, “otherwise Allah will take suo motu action against the system”, while positing that “Pakistan was created in the name of Islam, however we are still the slaves of foreign invaders, we are following the laws of infidels.” At this point the CJ thanked Aziz for his time, asked him to take a seat and to let the lawyers do the talking.

The court was informed that the Lal Masjid (red mosque) administration had been compensated. Recently, 2.5 acres (20 kanals) were allotted to Maulana Aziz for the reconstruction of Jamia Hafsa, parallel to International Islamic University in Sector H-11/4.

During the hearing, Aziz’s counsel Advocate Tariq Asad argued that in its 2007 verdict, the apex court had directed the federal government to pay salaries for the teachers at Jamia Fareedia, but the government did not act on the order. “The CDA is also creating a hindrance in the construction of Jamia Hafsa, against the orders of the Supreme Court,” Asad claimed.

Iftikhar Gilani, the counsel for Wafaqul Madaris, informed the court that despite the court’s orders, the Islamabad police did not initiate action against those who were responsible for the Lal Masjid operation. The court expressed concern when Gilani asked the court to direct the police to register FIRs against then-president and army chief Pervez Musharraf and the army’s 10 Corps commander at the time. The court did not approve of the speculative content of the argument.

Published in The Express Tribune, March 28th, 2012.

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Reader Comments (224)

  • Mar 28, 2012 - 10:31PM

    Most of the people commenting here agianst Shariah law does not even represent 1% of Pakistani society and majority of them ain’t living in Pakistan. It tells quite well how SERIOUS are they for Pakistan and to battle against Shariah. LOLRecommend

  • danish ali ahmad
    Mar 28, 2012 - 10:50PM

    Pakistan was not created under the name of Islam, but for muslims in india to have their own representative government in power.
    These same mullahs were against making a Pakistan, they always negate the natural process.
    which shariha are you talking about? do you mullahs would ever agree on 1 chand for ramzan and eid?
    how come would you agree on 1 shariah law?

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  • Hari Karnani
    Mar 28, 2012 - 10:56PM

    @Adnan
    :

    “Why so hatred for Islam? If it’s so unwanted then you are free to go anywhere else on earth, can’t you?”

    It is not the hate of Islam. It is a problem concerning application of Sharia law in a modern society. Most people in this forum are against the application of Sharia in Pakistan. You Adnan, also are free to go anywhere, where Sharia is applied.

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  • Mar 28, 2012 - 11:04PM

    @Hari Karnani:
    Offcourse I can go anywhere but why do I when my country founding fathers wished for Shariah not one but in many speeches?

    MOST of them on this forum are less than 1% or even 1% atmost so they mean nothing to Pakistanis

    It is a problem concerning application of Sharia law in a modern society.

    The main problem is that people who are against Shariah does not even have idea about it and such liberal forums always proved it again and again. These Westernized brain washed kids from foreigners Madrassahs have been fed that following Islam would make them backward while in reality there’s no single evidence at all.

    The real problem is that most of them will not be able to enjoy filth, freedom of having sex with anyone, interest, looting and what not. Definitely Islam does not allow it otherwise Islam is the most modern and most compatible and most close to nature religion on earth. You better need to learn more about it. Sources are everywhere.

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  • bob
    Mar 28, 2012 - 11:52PM

    oo bhai is ko roko…..

    This will create havoc if he constructs his Jamia near Islamic University… BTW who gave this decision to have it in H -11 in the first place… he has created enuff trouble already… shud not be allowed to repeat it…. Recommend

  • Mir
    Mar 28, 2012 - 11:56PM

    @Adnan:
    let me quote sssome instances:
    After lahore resolution Raja sahib of mehmoodabad asked from Jinnah whether Pakistan would be a state where sharia law will be implemented jinnah banged his hand on table and said pakistan won’t be islamic state but liberal democratic state.
    In 1943 when a bunch of Muslim Leaguers tried to pass off a resolution to commit Pakistan to Islam. Jinnah vetoed it and called it a censure on every Muslim Leaguer.
    The Pir of manki sharif had asked Jinnah if lives of Muslims shall be subject to Shariat? What Jinnah had promised was that affairs of the Muslim community would be subject to Shariat i.e. the Muslim personal law. No where did Jinnah promise to make Shariat the civil and criminal law of Pakistan. Shariat in British India referred to Personal Law.
    In Jinnah’s view Pakistan would be citadel of islam in south asia just as England was & is protestant country but follows secular democracy as Jinnah said in 11th august speech ” Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist; what exists now is that every man is an equal citizen of Great Britain. Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims”.
    Actually Jinnah’s appeal to Islam was entirely ambiguous and never concrete.

    As far poll about sharia is concerned nobody would say no, but what form of sharia to be implemented is problem, when Pakistan already has 5 religious boards(wafaq ul madaras).

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  • Ali
    Mar 28, 2012 - 11:58PM

    @Adnan
    Which type of shariah law will you impose Wahabi, Deobandi, Barelvi, Hanafi, Shia. Everyone has their own version of shariah. With so many different school of thoughts in Pakistan it is impossible to come to consensus. It will end up in Civil war in Pakistan. Let us be answerable to Allah you dont have to force us to do what islam requires. It is between us and Allah. We will be answerable for our own deeds. Everyone is aware of that! As far is Pakistan is concerned no one wants lal Masid type of Islam in Pakistan which has majority Barelvi Sunnis. So your stats will be different if people know Lal masjid is making laws for us. First ones to revolt will be the women in Pakistan.

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  • xizvw
    Mar 29, 2012 - 12:09AM

    @Amir Wayn: Cmon ,atleast dont brand him as Indian terrorist,He was created and nurtured by your system.Anyways,he will ask for my HEAD before yours’.

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  • Babloo
    Mar 29, 2012 - 12:23AM

    Very difficult to oppose Shriah considering the ideology and politics that inspired Pakistan in the first place.Pak religious right-wing logic is , Pakistan was created for Muslims ( so that they can live away from a Hindu majority state. Even Jinnah said that ! ) and good Muslims love and want Shariah. So its only bad Muslims of Pakistan who are opposing Shariah. The logic may have many holes but for those driven by religion and zealotry, that logic is irrefutable and its futile to reason with those who think their religion is the only true religion and everyone else is living a falsehood in darkness.

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  • Roflcopter
    Mar 29, 2012 - 12:33AM

    Way to go ET, why not just report this without your clear bias?

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  • Jamshed
    Mar 29, 2012 - 12:51AM

    @Zeta:
    “Deny All you want, but Pakistan is an Islamic Country, Implementation of Sharia is mandatory”

    Wow. Strong words by Mullah Burqa. The country was created as an Islamic state, where Muslims would not be second grade citizens. The country was supposed to be secular and provide protection to minorities of all faiths. However, failing that, I dont think anybody can make the case for Sahriat. We are not capable of creating a society where Shias, Ahmadis, Hindus & Christians can be treated fairly and equally as in the time of the Prohpet (PBUH).

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  • Mar 29, 2012 - 12:57AM

    @Mir:

    Mir if I started mentioning Instances instead of Jinnah’s own words in form of speeches then you would run short of words and statements.

    There are instances infact events that Jinnah had relationship with Shabbir Usmani and He lef his funerals. There’s an instance of flag unfurling cermony in which Shabbir Usmani attended. There’s an instance in which Jinnah saw the Prophet(Saw) in dream to lead Muslims. There’s instance of Jinnah’s meeting with Molana Ashar Ali Thanvi and instance of Jinnah’s invitation to Molana Thanvi in April Jalsa in 1946 so let’s not get into it because you would blame I use my interpetition and lie or vice versa.

    Jinnah’s words are loud and clear about His Admiration about Prophet(saw) and Jinnah’s wish to implement. YOu guys could waste endless hours and remain in state of denial. It’s just not making any difference. The Shariah, who ever implements, Allah knows the best will eventually come here and other places. If you believe that your *Lords in USA are more stronger than My God then say clearly so that you can be communicated accordingly. Don’t be coward and shy to hide your inner intention.

    Or you have choice to keep fighting here with your enemies. I am just enjoying all this situation. :-)

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  • Haleema Mansoor
    Mar 29, 2012 - 1:01AM

    @Adnan:

    How about turning your attention to another bunch of Jinnah’s quotes, since you obviously haven’t read many accounts of his life. So read through these:

    http://secularpakistan.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/jinnahs-will-to-the-nation-he-founded/

    And then try and argue about what you think Jinnah’s true objectives were. He was about as far from wanting the Shariah established in Pakistan as…Mr. Zaid Hamid is from understanding the true meaning of the word “patriot.” If you read books written about Jinnah, by different authors, you will realize how Jinnah worked very hard towards consolidating Muslims and Hindus under one nation initially. You will learn his love for law, especially the English common law system, in which he was trained and which he practised as well. A lot of his mentors (the people who influenced his development) were far-thinking, liberal non-Muslims.

    If you pay close attention to the words you copy pasted, yes Jinnah was glorifying Islam, it’s importance to Muslims, even it’s applicability in everyday life. But no where does he connect Shariah law with Pakistan’s law. Or the intention to implement the Shariah.

    As for Abdul Aziz’s statement: “Pakistan was created in the name of Islam, however we are still the slaves of foreign invaders, we are following the laws of infidels,” well, ignoring the first bit, the “foreign invaders” he speaks of are the ones who created the Taliban, Aziz so dearly wants to emulate.

    There is so much more to say…don’t think the rest of this thread should be tortured though.

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  • Nobody
    Mar 29, 2012 - 1:09AM

    @Zeta:
    Oh yeah, wonderful idea. Pakistan is a wonderful Islamic haven and shariah law will prove to be an incorruptible system to create an Islamic utopia. eyeroll People have already used religion as a tool to throw Pakistan into an archaic abyss filled with hatred and intolerance, implementing a system that barely anyone ACTUALLY understands the depth of would be disastrous.

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  • ZYX
    Mar 29, 2012 - 1:20AM

    Arguing with liberals on ET is like going to a circus and arguing with the clowns. You go to that particular venue because you know you’ll find that novelty there and you sometimes wish to see it…its not like we see clowns all over the place. Liberals are an anomaly and we only really encounter them in niche literature festivals, express tribune, and the occasional platform or event here or there. We should watch them and appreciate them as the rare creatures that would look good in specially constructed enclosed areas where they could be as they would in the wild and we could preserve this species that seems like its just about to go extinct. For those of you who support Sharia in its fullest sense being implemented in Pakistan…dont waste your breath arguing and instead enjoy the fact that 99% of the country agrees with you while this 1% just sits around and whines in frustration.

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  • Truthbetold
    Mar 29, 2012 - 1:24AM

    I can’t understand the objections being raised by the Pakistani posters here on the implementation of Sharia in Pakistan. Pakistan was created in the name of Islam and to uphold Islamic value and religion. So, why is this mullah wrong in demanding implementation of Sharia? How can one call himself/herself a true Muslim and not support Sharia? Wouldn’t the rejection of Sharia amount to rejection of Islam?

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  • Nobody
    Mar 29, 2012 - 1:38AM

    @Adnan:
    The majority of people here want sharia, and the majority of people here are uneducated. Coincidence? I think not.
    To clarify, before I’m hit with a barrage of comments against my statement, this is NOT to say educated people can’t be religious, or all uneducated people are fanatics with no grasp of religion, but generally in MY experience, the more educated lot can better understand how potentially disastrous implementing sharia would actually be. In a PERFECT world, it might work. In today’s world, it’s not feasible. Pakistan would become another Afghanistan and end up nothing but a pile of rubble.

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  • Nobody
    Mar 29, 2012 - 1:54AM

    This guy wants sharia, why not give it to him. Shouldn’t he be executed in accordance with sharia?Recommend

  • Farian
    Mar 29, 2012 - 1:55AM

    MashaAllah!
    Imran Khan will surely help Maulana Abdul aziz in his noble cause.
    .
    Few months ago I have seen Imran Khan visiting red mosque and addressing the gathering of honourable mujahideen and learned moulvies including Maulana Abdul Aziz. Imran also gave a quite sensible speach there at that occasion and emphasized on commanality of his views with views of ulemas of Lall Masjid like Maulana Abdul Aziz.
    .
    InshaAllah Pakistan will one day achieve glory and become Islami Falahi Riasat as envisioned by Maulana abdul Aziz and promised by revolutionary Imran Khan

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  • Adnan
    Mar 29, 2012 - 1:57AM

    @Ali:

    We Pakistani Muslims allow filthy and secular lunatic rulers to rule over Pakistan for 50+ years. From Ayub to Zardari all were given chance. Everyone had their own agenda. Did we ever ask,”Which Secularism?”. 50 years are enough for left wing people to implement their own policies. They failed, miserably failed and did nothing. Now the way we gave you the chance, let us Pakistani allow these Islamic Molvis to implement Shariah which Jinnah wanted too so that we can have a balance example about who’s successful and who’s not.

    The way people religiously oppose Shariah gives impression that they are more scared that it would be successful hence they will not have any chance to spread out their filth in the name of Liberalism and Secularism.

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  • Arjun
    Mar 29, 2012 - 2:21AM

    People opposing Shariah implementation are clearly anti-Islam and anti-Pakistan.

    People like Adnan are the ones who understand the true meaning of Pakistan. I hope they win and implement Shariah in the land. It would serve as a good example to us infidels as to how a country should be ruled.

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  • shoaib mumtaz
    Mar 29, 2012 - 2:23AM

    Why People Are Happy with Word Secular and Afraid with Shariah!! Islamic System is the Only Solution of all Issues!! As Islam is the Natural Way of Life, All Socialists and Capitalists Failed Ok!!

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  • Muslim
    Mar 29, 2012 - 2:40AM

    Maulvi sahab … Go get it.. we are with you.

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  • Pollack
    Mar 29, 2012 - 3:39AM

    Wht Pakistan needs is not sharia law by saree law. Any woman found not wearing saree will get 100 lashes. :-)

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  • Mar 29, 2012 - 4:08AM

    a typical Mullah Mullah mullah lullah statement

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  • Babloo
    Mar 29, 2012 - 4:48AM

    Shariah is Pakistan’s destiny. Its the destiny that was ordained the day the demand for seperate state for muslims was made. Shariah will be the culmination of the journey Mr Jinnah set up, wittingly or unwittingly, once he unleashed the emotion of religion into politics.

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  • Adnan
    Mar 29, 2012 - 5:01AM

    @Haleema Mansoor:

    How about turning your attention to another bunch of Jinnah’s quotes

    This is quite an old article you cite and I read it many times and it does not conflict what Jinnah wished for Pakistani state. BiBi, Unlike you I am not rejecting anything, I am just putting things into perspective. Infact I say that 11th August speech does not contradict Shariah, infact it’s rather mapped with it. I already cited Omar(RA)’s statement at Jerusalem conquest. You are rather trying to dispute Jinnah and making him a hypocrite, I am not. Infact all Liberals are being Mullahs of partition time. They called him Kaafir before partition, Liberals call Jinnah Kaafir now. So why blame game?

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  • Adnan
    Mar 29, 2012 - 5:04AM

    @ZYX:

    hahahh well said and I do endrose your statement. However I do realize what kind of people they are and what all they could do, I only comment for sake of entertainment. They come here by imagining that entire Pakistan is on ET website or in their favor hence they get zealous here, only here. After all, they are in MAJORITY on this site or other Internet forums only. :-)

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  • Zeeshan
    Mar 29, 2012 - 5:57AM

    hey ,wait a minute ,this is the same guy that tried to run away in a burka from Lal Masjid right ?

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  • Saleem
    Mar 29, 2012 - 6:06AM

    Wasn’t this man running away from lal Masjid in Burqa in a group of non-mahram women.? He can’t stand up for what he preaches but wants to enforce Sharia law!

    Bring Sharia law to your own lives before asking it to be enforced country wide. Look at your own amaal and deeds and see is that how prophet, pbuh, preached.

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  • Pollack
    Mar 29, 2012 - 6:20AM

    @Uzair: “Indeed, your forefathers rendered great sacrifices in preventing the creation of Pakistan”
    Maybe that’s the only sane thing they attempted to do.

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  • AAhmed
    Mar 29, 2012 - 7:51AM

    Why Pakistan gives in to blackmail?

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  • Mar 29, 2012 - 8:01AM

    Enjoy the Sharia, guys! Its inevitable. When the Taliban take control of Pakistan, they will impose the Sharia.

    I am just glad that Pakistan got created.

    From India, with love.

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  • Nobody
    Mar 29, 2012 - 10:08AM

    To any Indians/non Paks who are just here trolling, while I’m flattered by your hard on for Pakistan and concern for it’s well being, cheering for sharia law and such, please take the trolling elsewhere. Cheers! Recommend

  • Mir
    Mar 29, 2012 - 11:17AM

    @Adnan:
    instances you mentioned above were totally incomplete and didnot make any sense, i would sugest you to read some books on history by prof KK Aziz’s Murder of History, Ayesha Jalal’s Sole Spokesman, Ian Bryant Wells’ Jinnah: Ambassador of Hindu Muslim Unity and please be objective dont be emotional, books above will break your myths what you learnt from Pakistan Studies Textbook and Dr Safdar’s articles. I end my debate here rest is for you to research.

    j

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  • Mehdi
    Mar 29, 2012 - 2:09PM

    He and his dead brother used women and children as human shield, brought criminals in a mosque with arms and ammunition. At least his brother had the courage to die for what he believed … he is the one who dressed like a woman and was caught! Why do we even pay attention to such people, why does ET even bother to cover his foolish ideas and speeches. No need to give publicity to a fool!

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  • Zulu Khosa
    Mar 29, 2012 - 4:07PM

    To those saying that these people don’t represent Islam : Keep fooling yourself.

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  • Shafqat Ali Khan
    Mar 29, 2012 - 4:17PM

    A 20 Kanal piece of land for girls madrassas. ???? Mulana Aziz saib wanted to enforce Sharia in the country? But he was pleading on behalf of whom? Mulana saib please tell us what Islam says and its also better at least to impose it on yourself.

    I have a lot of respect for you but please politics under the flag of Islam/din is not allowed. There are so many religious/political parties in the country just join them or make your own and persuade people and if you get vast majority please do impose “whatever” you wanted to impose. Otherwise please do not make speeches at least in courts.

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  • Pr0udPakistani
    Mar 29, 2012 - 4:39PM

    @ Adnan

    *

    Most of the people commenting here
    agianst Shariah law does not even
    represent 1% of Pakistani society and
    majority of them ain’t living in
    Pakistan. It tells quite well how
    SERIOUS are they for Pakistan and to
    battle against Shariah. LOL

    *

    Enjoy/laugh as much as you can but if we are 1% how come poll result is 72% NO and 28% Yes????

    You and others like you want liberals (I think thats what you call people trying to win an argument with logic here) to leave Pakistan and someone quite rightly tells you to leave Pakistan and go to a country where you think true sharia is implemented IE Saudi Arabai where your saudi brothers treat you like dirt.

    Pakistan’s destiny is tolerance, education and prosperity NOT anyone’s tweaked version of Sharia.

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  • ali
    Mar 29, 2012 - 5:04PM

    According to Gallup Poll of 2011, 67 % of Pakistanis want government to Islamise the society.

    A nationally representative sample of men and women from across the country were asked the following question:

    In your opinion should government take steps to ‘Islamise’ the society?

    The results of the poll revealed that 67% of Pakistanis want the government to take steps to Islamise society, 13% responded by saying Pakistan did not need Islamisation and 20% gave no response.

    Those who responded with a yes were asked a follow up question:

    Should government take steps for Islamisation at once or one by one?

    Forty eight per cent said the government should take the steps ‘one by one’ and 31% said the steps should be taken at once, while 21% gave no response.

    The survey was carried out among a sample of 2,738 men and women in rural and urban areas of all four provinces of the country, during January 2011.

    Error margin is estimated to be approximately ± 2-3 per cent at 95% confidence level.

    http://www.gallup.com.pk/Polls/31-05-11.pdf

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  • Humanity
    Mar 29, 2012 - 5:43PM

    @ali:
    According to Gallup Poll of 2011, 67 % of Pakistanis want government to Islamise the society.

    On the face of it the above statement is not only an insult to human intelligence, it is a slap on the face of Islam. Government has business telling any one how to live their lives.

    Reading the detail behind the statement explains where it is coming from. People marginalized by those peddling falsehood for religion can only dream the government will wave a magic wand of Islam to change their life. sorry souls!

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  • kashif
    Mar 29, 2012 - 6:03PM

    It is no secret that the Lal Masjid was a vipers den of Arab-financed Takfiri terrorists, who declare all other fiqah as non-Muslims.

    This Mullah’s “Sharia” means killing of minorities and everyone else who doesn’t agree with them.

    Pakistanis must say a big, resounding “NO” to these criminal obscurantists.

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  • ali
    Mar 29, 2012 - 6:13PM

    Humanity:

    How can a civilian implement the SHARIAH on his own. Obviously this is the duty of the ruler/

    According to Sharia the ban on usury, capital punishment, alcohol, corruption, etc.

    All is the responsibility of the ruler. This has been done by Mohammad PBUH. According to the Sharia Model of Madina as well as the Khilafat-e-Rashida this has been the RESPONSIBILITY of the KHALIFAH.

    On the other hand on the level of society it is obligatory for every MUSLIM to exercise ‘AMARBIL MAROOF WA NAHI AN IL MUNKIR’

    I think you dont even know the ABC of Shariah …

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  • jamal
    Mar 29, 2012 - 6:27PM

    This Mullah’s version of “Shariah” says:

    Beat up women with sticks
    Close all CD shops
    Ban all music
    Put burqa’s on all women (and all men too, going by his own example)
    No education for girls
    Close all girls schools
    No cultural activity, plays, theatre
    Public beatings for not praying or fasting
    Kill women for adultery on mere accusation (no proof required)
    Men can’t wear jeans
    Women can’t drive
    No entertainment on television
    Poor cannot question the rich
    No co-education
    Public executions and beheadings
    And finally, the Saudi Arabian king should be king of Pakistan

    ===
    This Mullah, and others like him have no opinion or solutions for education, poverty alleviation, equal opportunity, income inequality, distribution of wealth, science and technology, population welfare, environment conservation, public health policy

    Do Pakistanis want his “Shariah”? Recommend

  • khurshid
    Mar 29, 2012 - 6:50PM

    @adnan. I read your response to my own with interest. I think you are reading in Mr. Jinnah’s speeches something that he is not saying. He emphasizes the democratic nature of Islam; Islam’s importance for Muslims; the greatness of the Holy Prophet and how Muslims seek guidance from the Quran. I don’t see anywhere a reference to enforcement of the Sharia or reference to an Islamic state in the extracts you have shown us. Polemics aside, can you really talk about the likes of Jinnah and men like Abdul Aziz and Hafiz Saeed in the same breath? Jinnah spent his entire legal career very close to the Parsis of Bombay and karachi; married into their family and, as I pointed out earlier, appointed non-muslims to such key positions as ML representative on the border award commission. No my friend, dressing Jinnah in a Sherwani and Jinnah cap doesnt change the essence of his 70 years as a modern liberal individual who held Gladstone and Dadabhai Nauroji etc as his ideal personalities. Jinnah’s vision of what role Islam could play in the Pakistan to be was that of an inspirational source for the individuals. The clergy of today want it as a tool for their mindless dictatorship. I rest my case.

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  • Hadi Ansari
    Mar 29, 2012 - 10:28PM

    Which form of Sharia the cleric is demanding.Saudi style,Iranian type ,Afghan under Taliban,
    or about dozens sects claiming superiority over others?Confusing,isnt it ?
    Under policy of appeasement they got everything from the court some years ago.Now they want the court to become law maker instead of interpreter of law.If the molvi were to earn his living by working 8to9 hours a day on a fixed salary as most do in Pakistan ,instead of getting paid handsomely by donors ,he would be demanding water,electricity,and other basic rights.
    Has he ever submitted statement of funds received and spent?

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  • Adnan
    Mar 29, 2012 - 11:51PM

    @Mir:

    When you’re in state of denial then what one can do, you even reject Jinnah’s words. You can keep assume whatever you want in your “Wonderland”.

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  • Adnan
    Mar 29, 2012 - 11:57PM

    you have shown us

    you have shown us> I don’t see anywhere a reference to

    enforcement of the Sharia or reference
    to an Islamic state in the extracts
    you have shown usyou have shown us

    @khurshid:


    It is my belief that our salvation lies in following the golden rules of conduct set for us by our great lawgiver, the Prophet of Islam. Let us lay the foundations of our democracy on the basis of true Islamic ideals and principles(Civil, Naval, Military and Air Force Officers at Khaliqdina Hall Karachi on 11th October 1947)

    Now there are few things:

    1- Either you’re in state of denial which you’re most likely to.

    2- You have some vision problem due to old age.

    3- You don’t understand English and lack in comprehension

    4- You’re not being able to grasp that Jinnah and Islam could be in same slot which is no different than what you liberals blame Mullahs to declare Jinnah Kaafir. Mullahs might declared him for a decare or less but you people have been trying to declare Jinnah a Kaafir for 60+ damn years.

    Now I leave it upto you to decide about yourself what kind of problem you are facing. No further troll feeding.

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  • Adnan
    Mar 29, 2012 - 11:59PM

    @jamal:

    OK and what is your “Non Mullah” version of “Liberal” or even “Islamic” version of Shariah?Please enlighten us.

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  • Adnan
    Mar 30, 2012 - 12:03AM

    @Pr0udPakistani:

    lol. Picking words. Ok even then it’s 72% which I think you read as 27% ;)

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  • s shah
    Mar 30, 2012 - 12:37AM

    @khurshid: Excellent analysis. I agree with you 100 percent.

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  • DevilHunterX
    Mar 30, 2012 - 12:54AM

    isn’t cross dressing (e.g. wearin a burka) banned in Sharia Law?Recommend

  • Babloo
    Mar 30, 2012 - 1:13AM

    Looks like many Pakistanis are scared of Shariah ?
    Why so ?
    Shariah, is the most modern, loving, caring. compassionate form of justiuce system ever invented by man.

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  • Adnan
    Mar 30, 2012 - 2:02AM

    @Babloo:

    Looks like many Pakistanis are scared
    of Shariah ?of Shariah ?

    Nah, not Pakistanis but ET users living outside of Pakistan.

    ever invented by man.

    Not really, It’s been prescribed by God, asked by men to implement it based on what mentioned in Quran and Hadiths.

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  • Babloo
    Mar 30, 2012 - 2:30AM

    @Adnan,
    As an Indian, I fully support Shariah in Pakistan. Its only logical conclusion from the politics of ‘day of direct action’ planned by Jinnah to force his demands. In fact, you can learn some tactics from the book on ‘day of direct action’ scripted by Mr Jinnah.

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  • American Desi
    Mar 30, 2012 - 3:35AM

    A country created in the name of Islam deserves to have a Sharia law implemented and enforced one hundred percent. If you have any misgivings you should have thought when the demand for separate country was made. I don’t understand why people are upset about implementing Islamic tenets. After all Islam is a religion of peace! Happy living.

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  • s shah
    Mar 30, 2012 - 7:02AM

    @kashif, @jamal, @hadi ansari, @khurshid: Bravo. I agree.

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  • Kumar
    Mar 30, 2012 - 7:43AM

    @Adnan:
    Who were your ancestors roughly 1500 years back? Can you guess?? This is not a trick question. Just a pragmatic question. Did they not exist back then?

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  • DeMullahlizer
    Mar 30, 2012 - 7:59AM

    All you crazy fanatics and proponents of Sharia law start investing in some caves or dig some underground shelters because the day Sharia law is implemented, you will be bombed to smithereens.

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  • DeMullahlizer
    Mar 30, 2012 - 8:21AM

    In Afghanistan before the Jihadi period and the subsequent rise of Mullahs these preachers were confined to the mosque and only invited to peoples homes during a Sunnati, a Nikkah or a funeral and that was the extent of their influence on society. Since then every semi-literate villager has taken on the reverential title of Mullah or Maulwi and abused the position society conferred upon them.

    In Afghanistan Mullahs were the butt of peoples jokes and today they wield enormous power, but thankfully people see right through their regressive and reactionary agendas and they are unwelcome especially as rulers of the country.

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  • ZYX
    Mar 30, 2012 - 10:32AM

    @DeMullahlizer:

    Please define the word “mullah”. Is it anybody with a beard? Is it anybody who believes in Islam? Or anybody who doesn’t believe in secularism? What exactly is this “mullah” all you ET hypocrite liberals spew so much hate against? It would be nice to know which category of human beings you dehumanize as you speak of human rights and freedom

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  • azmat
    Mar 30, 2012 - 2:51PM

    @Adnan,

    Jinnah was a Twelver Shia, an intellectual, and a liberal at heart. So I’m not sure which version of “Shariah” he would have wanted?

    He was the furthest possible thing from these obscurantist, Wahabi mullahs whose abysmal ignorance is their most striking characteristic.

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  • Adnan
    Mar 30, 2012 - 4:19PM

    Who were your ancestors roughly 1500 years back? Can you guess??

    @Kumar: They were humans, and yours?some other specie?

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  • khurshid
    Mar 31, 2012 - 12:20AM

    Those supporting the enforcement of Sharia law in Pakistan or elsewhere may want to enlighten the less enthusiastic amongst us about the following. a: should our laws allow slavery in Pakistan and the right to have kaniz and children by them? b: should we treat all non-Muslim countries as Dar-ul-Harb and offer them one of the three choices, either accept islam or pay Jizya or be prepared to fight us? c: What should we do with women who want to pursue independent careers and dont want to treat men as their “rijal” or protectors? d: should children after divorce be allowed to stay with the mother who has carried them in her womb for nine months and suffered the pangs of childbirth or to the man? e: what will people do for relief in such a society where music, art, drama, dancing, singing, sculptor etc are all Haram? And while we are at it, the most revered of our Faqihs, Imam Ghazali has declared philosophy (read science) maths etc all to be discouraged. I dont know about the rest of you but I really wouldnt want to live in such a state, thanks but no thanks.

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  • Dr.A.K.Tewari
    Mar 31, 2012 - 8:11AM

    when more than 80% Pakistani are against the implementation of Sariya then the govt. should declare the country a secular state without any delay .

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  • Adnan
    Apr 1, 2012 - 4:09PM

    @khurshid:

    I really wouldnt want to live in such a state, thanks but no thanks.

    Flies usually attracts to dirt no matter how many good things you put infront of them, so you’re most welcome to stay in the country or go there where you have already been paying Jizya(In English it’s call Tax) by that country politicians for sake of their own interests.

    You can go to the any Western country, for instance USA or UK who already made this world,”Darul Harb”(The place of battle) by invading countries like Afghanistan,Iraq,Iran and Kuwait,Chechnya and what not.

    You can easily swallow the enslavement being forced by your any Western government in the name of Capitalism, your daughters would already been slaved in the name of modern society and wishful to give in every thing in the name of modernism.

    You can surely live in the countries where majority of science and math took the advantage of progress made by Muslims of early generations(Hint: Algebra was invented by a practiced Muslim, ignorants today such Muslims as Mullahs).

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  • Pr0udPakistani
    Apr 2, 2012 - 2:12PM

    @Adnan..

    Name one country where true sharia is implemented and they are progressing religiously, socially and economically??

    Look at today’s news in tribune. There was a clash between followers of Ahle-Hadiths and Barelvis in Gujranwala. The reason was that Ahle-Hadith wants to contruct a mosque near Barelvi’s mosque. So how come you will implement Sharia in this country where everyone thinks their fiqah is superior than others????

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  • Adnan
    Apr 3, 2012 - 1:30AM

    @Pr0udPakistani:

    Name one country where Secularism successfully implemented and it progressed successfully? I would not let you hurt you head, there’s none. The reason is that the secularism you people talk about does not exist anywhere but in books. The two biggest so called Secular countries; India and USA are not Secular at all. USA’s policies are highly dependent on religions like Judaism and somewhat Christianity and Indian state has Hinduism influence. I don’t need to go far, even weekly holidays like Saturday and Sunday which we enjoy are religious days for Jews and Christians; Saturday is the day of Sabbath and Sunday is Church Day for Christians. Ever heard the term Sunday Schools?

    The country which claim to be True Secular is Turkey, an Islamic state. After learning about Secularism from Turkey, what it’s concluded that Secularism is all about banning religious practice for the majority community which is oppose to what Liberals whine about Jinnah’s speech; You’re free to go anywhere, the Secularism in Turkey is nothing but plain fascism where even Imams are not allowed to grow beard and they use artificial beard when leading Prayers.

    Is this the secularism you people to be implemented in Pakistan? If yes then why do you whine about Talibans and their Imposed Shariah while you seculars want to impose your own.

    Your argument about several sects; well in this way we have several anti-religious/atheists parties like MQM,ANP and PPP, every one have their own agenda which is abviously non-Islamic. When they can be tolerated not once but many times then why so surprised about the difference in sects?

    Pakistan has faced non-religious extremists for long time, not one but more than 5 decades. Enough time for testing. So far no Islamic government has been tested so It’s High Time to test it. You people did nothing but wasted time in blame games. The most succesful nation in the world; The Jews are more successful is not due to their anti-Rabbi movements but getting associated with their religious and cultural values. They fooled wannabe intellectual Muslims by forcing them to go against Islam and they themselves kept following their faith every minute.

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  • Pr0udPakistani
    Apr 6, 2012 - 7:32PM

    @Adnan
    Thank you for your detailed explanation about secularism, US, Turkey and Jews… which is not the debate here as we are talking about implementing Sharia NOT secularism. I asked you to name one country where true sharia laws are implemented and it is progressing well and you went astray.
    We have seen sharia laws implementation in Afghanistan and in Swat (Pakistan) as well and the system failed miserably due to extremism brought in the religion like minded Talibans who are against almost about everything. They are responsible for projecting a bad image of Islam to the world.
    I don’t know how can you compare political parties with sects? The differences among political parties are resolvable via table talks but differences among sects CAN NOT be resolved as each sect thinks that their practices are more Islamic than others and they are faster than light to announce fatwas against each other and declare their opponents as “Kaafir”. Look at the current religious parties. They can’t stand each other let alone running a government.
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  • Adnan
    Apr 6, 2012 - 8:22PM

    we are talking about implementing Sharia NOT secularism.

    Look dude if you ever look around you will find that majority of the countries having rule of law based on a religion or not. The country where religion is not present is nothing but secular kind of thing. Can you tell me a country where both thing exists? Offcourse none. While you have loathe of Islam and Shariah, you should rather focus why do you have so much abhorrence for Allah and it’s rule. Your question about practical example of Shariah, if you ever bother yourself to read up my last comments then you would not have asked it again and again. From Caliph Abu Baker(Ra) to Ottoman Empire, history speaks itself the progress of Muslims in every field. Thus it proves that its not a religion which hinders in progress but the ignorance of a nation or person itself. Look at Israel, a pure religious state based on religious theory like Pakistan but over there religion was never an issue because the so called Liberals never created a fuss about religion and they never poked in others businesses which is not true in Pakistan. In Pakistan duffer Liberals did nothing at all and wasted entire life in blame game.

    And as you say again and again there’s no current example of Shariah, I second you, when something does not exist then why scare of it? I consider it rather phobia of a religion rather than some logical reason. The world saw how capitalism collapse in last 4 years and it continues to collapse. Even Western countries now realizing that Islamic way of finance is the way out to getrid of what they are facing. Thing is, you people are quite ignorant about many things, including both Shariah and non Shariah related things and no such proper knowledge of current affairs. Since Internet is free like beer so everyone becomes expert and starts poking nose on every matter.

    I don’t know how can you compare political parties with sects? The differences among political parties are resolvable via table talks but differences among sects CAN NOT be resolved

    MMA group in previous elections is the latest examples of that religious parties could get together for a common cause. I dont consider them credible but that was just to give you answer that it’s practical.

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  • Adnan
    Apr 28, 2012 - 1:08PM

    Just found this. Gandhi about our Caliphs. Unlike ignorant so called Muslims, non-Muslims like Gandhi admire the concept of Shariah:

    Simplicity is not the monopoly of Congressites. I am not going to mention the names of Rama and Krishna because they were not historic personalities. I am compelled to mention the names of Abu Bakr and Umar. Though they were masters of a vast empire, yet they lived the life of paupers (Harijan, July 27, 1937)

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  • Truthbetold
    May 15, 2012 - 10:02AM

    @Ali Hasan:

    “Shariah Law is great. Just look at Saudi Arabia. Absolutely nothing wrong there. Apart from everything.”

    I don’t understand what is wrong in Sharia law in a country that has been declared as an Islamic state with the constitution clearly requiring implementing Islamic teachings, laws and codes?

    When Muslims object to Sharia, isn’t it a case of Muslims loudly being proud of their country being an Islamic state while not really wanting to live by the codes, teachings and laws laid down by the scriptures? Either you are an Islamic state or you are not. There can’t be any in between.

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  • Saeb
    May 15, 2012 - 8:08PM

    Will we ever have a Mustafa Kamal who will get rid of these mullahs and their organisations. Can we get bold enough to say, “We don’t want any Islam or its ridiculous interpretation given by mullahs. We know about Islam much better than they do and we do not need them to force it on us the way they want”. They just cannot keep on blackmailing us for nothing.

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  • DevilHunterX
    May 16, 2012 - 1:31AM

    @Saeb:
    Mustafa Kamal who?

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