Pakistan ban won't affect Agent Vinod revenues: Saif

Published: March 23, 2012

Saif says 'Agent Vinod' is for Indians but it is not against Pakistanis. PHOTO: AFP

MUMBAI: Actor-producer Saif Ali Khan isn’t perturbed over Pakistan banning Agent Vinod, saying that very little revenue would be lost by the restriction imposed on his home production, which is releasing Friday.

“We have lost some revenue, just around Rs. 1 crore. They are always banning our movies. Kurbaan was also banned,” Saif told IANS adding that “We also shot in Pakistan without their permission.

Agent Vinod is for Indians but it is not against Pakistanis,” said Saif and added with a smile: “But I understand if they get upset because we are beating them up quite often in the film.”

Directed by Sriram Raghavan, Agent Vinod has Saif in the title role and Kareena Kapoor as the female lead.

Talking about characterization of Pakistanis in Agent Vinod, he said: “We have shown the Pakistani Army involved with the Taliban and Afghanistan. We have shown them assassinating their own ISI chief. We have shown them encouraging terrorist activities in India and financing the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT). If you feel this is unreasonable or not true, then it is fair enough.”

“I think it is all quite true. Maybe they didn’t like that but they do know,” he added.

Once a prolific moviemaking country, Pakistan had 1,300 cinema halls in the 1970s with an average annual production of around 300 movies. But by 2005, the country had only 270 cinema halls and made about 18 movies a year. The rest of the movie halls have been converted into gas stations, shopping malls or car showrooms.

In 2010, just eight Pakistani movies were produced.

Movie buffs in Pakistan had a hearty appetite for Bollywood movies, but they had to watch pirated copies of Hindi films as the release of Indian films had been banned in Pakistan.

In 2008, the Pakistan government lifted the ban on Indian films and that has given a much-needed boost to the cinema business.

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Reader Comments (138)

  • arjun
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:13AM

    Hats off Saif for calling a spade a spade. True guts….Yup Pakistan revenues do not effect the the film as just punjab and haryana-two small states get higher revenue than Pakistan.

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  • Mar 23, 2012 - 11:04AM

    Enough.. just wait for the release of our own movie Agent Zaidu

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  • Indian
    Mar 23, 2012 - 11:50AM

    As if better stories aren’t out there. A desperate attempt from the guy to revive his career.

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  • bharat
    Mar 23, 2012 - 12:18PM

    This movie is an Indian movie made for Indians.

    Similarly , a Pakistani movie is made for Pakistani

    However, every filmmaker should show respect for every nationality.

    As an Indian i will never be happy to see Pakistan bashing in my movies.

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  • Mar 23, 2012 - 12:29PM

    I am stunned by his comments. He makes a lot of sense and doesn’t mince his words.

    He talks about Pakistan supporting the Taliban, their support to LeT, which is very well documented. I hope people dont blindly disagree with him, just because this fact shows Pakistan in bad light.

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  • Scorpio
    Mar 23, 2012 - 12:31PM

    Poor Indian Muslims have to be even holier than the Pope to prove their loyalty. A new condition for Indian Citizenship is that the ‘ applicant must have not shown any previous sympathies for Pakistan’. wah bhai bhai, Saif ji, how high can you jump!

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  • Mar 23, 2012 - 12:33PM

    Hollywood makes Chinese villains, sometimes adores them. They routinely make Russians as villains. But, these Countries still watch their movies.

    Pakistan can ban Agent Vinod, but cant dismiss what Saif has said as utter tosh!

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  • MastMalang
    Mar 23, 2012 - 12:40PM

    @arjun:
    Hahahaha,,,, You being here and posting on this Newspapers tells me all. If it did not matter, You and your countrymen ( Who are going to show up here soon) should not be here,. That means our Ban does matter. I am glad for it and fully support it. That’s the official Position condemning the Movie and its script. That Official position provides the Official Stance and direction. It doesn’t matter how many people see the Pirated copy. It Hurts when banned. Agent Vinod! Saving the world from Nuclear terrorsim? Hahaha How funny… !!! Ahhh desires desires!!!

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  • abhi
    Mar 23, 2012 - 12:58PM

    @mast malang
    Even if it is bannned, many in pakistan will see it on pirated dvds and that is becuase you cannot suppress truth.

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  • Indian on et
    Mar 23, 2012 - 12:59PM

    I have often heard this ” this is a Pakistani website, why are Indians posting here”? Dear chaps! Hate to break it to you – this is the Internet and does not belong to anybody. Obviously the moderator can stop comments when he/she feels like it. Except for this nobody can stop someone from posting. This is what freedom of expression means. U can hate it but that’s about all u can do. So swallow a chill pill and get back into the ring!!! Long live the net

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  • Mar 23, 2012 - 1:01PM

    @MastMalang:

    India hasn’t banned Pakistani movies or anything Pakistan, but Pakistan has. We love to share our culture and imbibe other’s but Pakistan is the one who is not willing to.

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  • Skin Taj
    Mar 23, 2012 - 1:01PM

    HIGHT OF INSANITY…sitting in front of a screen watching three hours cheap film and making negative fabrications against Pakistan.!!!!

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  • Skin Taj
    Mar 23, 2012 - 1:04PM

    a FAIR decision by Pakistan authorities…. Anything projecting against Pakistan should be banned…. Movies are for fun not spreading HATE PROPAGANDA like this film is doing…. Recommend

  • IndianKid
    Mar 23, 2012 - 1:07PM

    Saif is a Muslim and part of the glorious “Ummah”. Then why did Pakistan ban the movie of a “brother in faith” ?

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  • Perplexed
    Mar 23, 2012 - 1:18PM

    @Scorpio:
    please. All our sympathies are with pakistan.Its a breakaway nation with its own peculiarities and although it has broken away from us we do still its a part of us.Thats why we are so patient while it goes thruough the transition however long and ardous.Its only when it shows its temper tantrums towards us we are forced to subdue it , otherwise we are still waiting for it to rise and shine alongisde us.A little taunt and tease(agent vinod) should not bog u down.

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  • Indi-Pop
    Mar 23, 2012 - 1:30PM

    Frankly Pakistan doesn’t have the clout or the numbers to affect the revenue of a film. Having said that, Agent Vinod looks like a terrible film anyways, seems to be all full of cliches. This controversy is working wonders for its publicity. Now people actually might go to the theaters to determine whether and how much anti-Pakistan content.it has. Pakistan is truly saved from a terrible film, we Indians aren’t so lucky.

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  • arjun
    Mar 23, 2012 - 1:36PM

    @MastMalang: buddy…no hate here…if India says a thing about Pak….agreed its biased. If world says the same about Pak…if you disagree… thats insane. Thats the real problem if you look outside Indian Perspective. Pak did not become a joke because we comment. its the worlds opinion that matters. Saif just reinforced it. Some idiot said Indian muslims have to prove their loyality to India? Why when they are rightful citizens of India. Bollwood is an example of how successful they are. -ofcourse they are Indians but muslims for some idiots. Any reason why after 60 years the question remains…muslim or Pakistani….the eternal confusion….you never let go of religion…when did Pakistan matter…. it was always islam…

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  • antony
    Mar 23, 2012 - 1:37PM

    @mast, Simply childish mindset .Grow up . Watch Hindustan times ,rediff and other Indian news sites there are pakistanis comment on every sensational news .If I can reason why I as an indian here ,I would say to keep track of Hate factory outputs if it diminishes or is it in full steam as some are exported straight to pune,delhi,mumbai,jaipur,bangalore etc. If Imran khan seals the factory or controls the exports from reaching India thats a good news for all Indians.. If you are so hurt by these Bollywood films please take an oath never ever to see hindi films again or hear hindi music again..

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  • Adil
    Mar 23, 2012 - 1:45PM

    You can only beat us “quite often” in films. I thought you were educated enough to think before you speak but I’m sure we’ve lost all respect for you. May you never be able to revive your career :) and may your odd nose start looking more hideous then it does. Shame on you sir! Your relatives in Pakistan must be so proud of you for saying all this :)

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  • Rehman
    Mar 23, 2012 - 1:56PM

    As if I care what he thinks?who is he by the way!never heard of him before!

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  • menteliscio
    Mar 23, 2012 - 2:06PM

    they defeat ISI in movies, let them have their fun! as we all know in real life they whine :)

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  • Najam
    Mar 23, 2012 - 2:35PM

    Saif’s uncle was General in Pakistan Army. Maybe he wants to prove to his fellow Indians that he doesn’t have any sympathies for Pakistan :P

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  • Akha
    Mar 23, 2012 - 2:36PM

    Saif Ali Khan just lost all my respect !!

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  • Salman
    Mar 23, 2012 - 2:37PM

    ohh earlier I was surprised about the ban but didn’t knew that they have shown so much obsession with Pakistan in that movie. My @$$. Good job censor board. Keep that filth away from Pakistan.

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  • some one
    Mar 23, 2012 - 2:39PM

    @Arjun who says “bollywood is an example of how successful they (indian muslims) are”

    Yeah you mean the Khans of Bollywood who all have hindu wifes? and some have hindu or christian mothers (Saif & Aamir)? That’s the point that India only accepts muslims if they abandon Islamic principles. We Pakistani muslims are lucky that we have a country of our own and do not need to live under te pressure of hindus unlike our unfortunate indian muslim brothers.

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  • Saif
    Mar 23, 2012 - 2:42PM

    This isnt the first time Pakistan’s been projected through negative fabrications. Saif Ali Khan is just one of countless others who dont know enough about Pakistan’s political state of affairs. Being a muslim state, it will never condone terrorism or cross border militant activity. Unfortunately, ranks of radical outfits are said to be part of Pakistan’s citizen and executive classes. These people do whatever they do and Pakistan gets labelled as a pro terror state. If India truly wants Pakistan’s alliance, its government should discourage such potrayals rather than sanction its promotion.
    All said, every Pakistani will watch the movie regardless, because thats what we do, we watch Bollywood films.

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  • Pankaj
    Mar 23, 2012 - 2:45PM

    No wonder..they also banned the BBC news after the documentary “Secret Pakistan”

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  • wahab
    Mar 23, 2012 - 2:50PM

    Just shows how imp it is for us to revive our own film industry and rely less on indian movies for entertainment!! NIce step taken by govt! Anything against pak should be banned

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  • vital
    Mar 23, 2012 - 2:55PM

    i appreciate the ban, the idiotic Indians use such tactics to fool their nation by making such movies to earn high profits by playing the sentiments of their people, get a new life morons ~~~

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  • Wajahat Ali Khan
    Mar 23, 2012 - 3:01PM

    Israel is Real – Saif Ali Khan (Owner Illuminati Films)

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  • Hussain
    Mar 23, 2012 - 3:14PM

    Typical Indian mentality obsessed with ISI & Pakistan doing all the bad in their country. On one hand you keep comparing your self with China in the arms race but still you keep on making movies about Pakistan.

    Get a life…!!! well who is Saif ali khan to know about Pakistan’s involvement in funding LET in India…oh sorry he is agent vinod…he knows ALL..like all Indians..

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  • Amjad
    Mar 23, 2012 - 3:15PM

    Who cares about Indian movies- uneducated Pakistanis will still find ways to get pirated copies of Indian films but the majority of educated Pakistanis couldn’t care more about Indian films or what some Indian actor thinks. I would prefer to ban all Indian movies altogether. Leave them for the Indians.

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  • sashayub
    Mar 23, 2012 - 3:17PM

    @zaid hamid:
    sure, we’ve been watching for many years now…..all hot air, full action film, without substance

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  • Scorpio
    Mar 23, 2012 - 3:43PM

    Just imagine what would have happened if Major General Asfandyar Khan Pataudi had become the ISI Chief! Saify, you are still not in the clear. Marrying Kareena might help but they still don’t trust you and never will!

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  • Kashmirian
    Mar 23, 2012 - 3:54PM

    Is this guy a film actor or an international security analyst, from his interview it seems so.

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  • Hassan
    Mar 23, 2012 - 3:54PM

    I’m surprised, do people still watch indian movies? if you do want to watch an action movie, why not MI Ghost protocol, why agent vinod with its third rate hollywood copied action sequences….

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  • Mar 23, 2012 - 4:04PM

    The promos of the film aren’t enticing and the storyline seems predictable. There aren’t any expectations from the film anyways so yea, revenues won’t make ANY difference.

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  • Tony Montana
    Mar 23, 2012 - 4:24PM

    Dear SAK,
    No doubt the most important topic of our neighbouring country is to talk about Islam or discuss Pakistan. let me ask you this, has Pakistan ever made any drama or film showing negative side of India? We are a tolerant nation and do not discuss unimportant issues. Now coming to your film, I will surely watch your movies if the camera is in front of you and not always on a side: why are you scared of hiding your eye problem? Only showing side poses!!! even wearing sun glasses all the time will not help your eye problemNawab sahib. And nawab sahib, you are a rich man why worry about a crore – you are forgetting the point, it is not about the money, it is about the popularity which your statements will bring down. I know for sure you can never become number 1 actor due to your attitude. I dont understand what pretty Kareena has seen in you as she can deffinitely get a decent guy.

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  • Arjun
    Mar 23, 2012 - 4:43PM

    To Pakistanis whining about Indians on this website: Personally, I come read Pakistani newspapers because they’re very entertaining and amusing. The mentality of people living in a well and seeing everything distorted and different from how the rest of the world sees reality is very very entertaining!

    The conspiracy theories, the way simple events end up being completely twisted around to suit the narrative – it’s all so funny. It’s a good dose of daily laughter for me :)!

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  • Mohsin
    Mar 23, 2012 - 4:44PM

    Yeah yeah yeah masters Saif. These idiotic film of yours does actually effect a whole lot of people.Recommend

  • Bilal
    Mar 23, 2012 - 4:48PM

    Remember before bashing Indian Muslims that they are minority in India, and specially people like Saif do the films like Qurban, agent Vinod to prove themselves…

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  • Mohsin
    Mar 23, 2012 - 4:49PM

    @IndianKid: Cause movies are forbidden in Ummah

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  • Mohsin
    Mar 23, 2012 - 4:53PM

    @Arjun:

    Very clever sunny. You just said everything we think of the indians. What really cracks us up is how you try to hide 600-700 million people living in powerty. Thats a shame.
    Do as Pakistan…help the poor by paying zakkat…not just toss them away and call them dalits(animals).

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  • Omair Shakil
    Mar 23, 2012 - 5:06PM

    Mr Khan could have based his film’s story in an imaginary country, like Hollywood fils do all the time, and it would have still retained its essence, but of course he opted to stereotype Pakistan as a hell-hole to sell tickets in India. I’m not the one for censorship but this is an extremely cheap shot. Parading your wife-to-be in an “item number” to make money is another one. The new Nawab of Patudi certainly didn’t inherit any self-respect from his father. I never really watched his films before Recommend

  • Mr Mullah
    Mar 23, 2012 - 5:07PM

    After a hard day at the office promoting religious intolerance , inciting murder in the name of God and brainwashing poor pakistani youths I love to watch indian films and eat halwa – it’s all just a bit of fun. We all have the choice to watch it or not watch it

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  • Sweet Dee
    Mar 23, 2012 - 5:19PM

    @Arjun

    If that’s indeed what you do, you have a terrible sense of humor :)

    Ontopic:

    This is why the movie will now be pirated by the Pakistani masses.

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  • soldier
    Mar 23, 2012 - 5:34PM

    @IndianKid:
    it doesnt matter if ur a muslim or not, if ur masters are propogating hatred against anything and in this case in the form of a movie, then ur an instrument to spreading hate and should be condemend. Saif maybe reviwing his career but he is hurting so many with this disinformation and lie of what he belivies in his head!!!, if he is so concerned about the truth that is affecting him then lets see if his masters let him make a movie on the incidents on samjhota express!!!

    Regardless of Hindu, muslim, christian, if ur wrong ur wrong.!

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  • Atif
    Mar 23, 2012 - 5:49PM

    We also shot in Pakistan without their permission.

    Now this is annoying and disturbing. Isn’t it backstabbing and cheating?

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  • Arjun_Toronto
    Mar 23, 2012 - 5:59PM

    @Mohsin: I agree with Arjun; You are talking of India before 1947 (which includes Pakistan) , be realistic, before 1947 the poverty was 60-70% in 2010 it was down to 10%. Where did you get these figures from ?? India is developing and evolving. There are some loopholes but democratic system is going to take care of them.

    @someone: Arjun is right, Muslims are highly successful in India. They have been given all kind of reservations in our so called quota system. Not because they married hindu or christian people. Do u want Amir and Saif to become mullahs and act in films or what??

    Indian system is slowly forgetting religion and the only thing left after this century will be humanity.

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  • Atif
    Mar 23, 2012 - 6:08PM

    By the way good efforts in the end to normalize India Pak relationship. Good work punk.

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  • Mar 23, 2012 - 6:10PM

    It will make the movie super Hit in india

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  • Rsingh
    Mar 23, 2012 - 6:12PM

    18 crore bollywood crazy population and revenue of just 1 crore. It is peanut by Indian standard.Recommend

  • Gangutaylee
    Mar 23, 2012 - 6:14PM

    rated:
    IMA – (for immature audience)
    created by:
    people with NID (no intellectual depth)

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  • Me
    Mar 23, 2012 - 6:21PM

    oh please – who cares about agent vinod ban shmann, most desi movies aren’t too good, just some fun songs every now and then. besides, there’s not much difference between terrorists and people who antagonise another nation knowing there are sensitivities = they’re both against peace aren’t they, it’s fine let the ban prevail.

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  • Mohsin
    Mar 23, 2012 - 6:33PM

    @Arjun_Toronto:

    Thats baseless Arjun. The indian middle class is only 200-300 mill according to Indias own numbers. The rest counts as poor.

    Look at UN’s facts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Percentagepopulationlivingonlessthan$2perday_2009.png

    Pakistan even has a lower percentage of poor compared to India. And u know what…..thats not bad considering the last decade with a war, flods and eaarthquakes.

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  • Imran Mohammad
    Mar 23, 2012 - 6:33PM

    I am a Pakistani. I am glad he said that !! Now, lets how many shameless , disgraceful Pakistanis still go to cinema and buy ticket to watch his movies !!!!Recommend

  • Syed Haider
    Mar 23, 2012 - 6:36PM

    Muslims live in worse condition than Dalits in India. Yet, their holier-than-thou attitude is there for all to see.

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  • Atif
    Mar 23, 2012 - 6:40PM

    @Rsingh

    that is what I am trying to say sir jee. that the fans are not 18 Carore.

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  • Azam
    Mar 23, 2012 - 6:40PM

    Sadly, Indian Muslims are still taunted in India as being Pakistanis, and so they have to take steps like these to prove their Indian nationalism. Why is it important for the Indian media to keep repeating that Saif Ali Khan’s uncle was a general in the Pakistan army? Who cares? Saif was born and brought up in India, his father made the Indian nation proud with his cricket, his mother has represented the Indian film industry for so many years, isn’t that good enough to prove that he is an Indian? Does he still need to make an anti-Pakistan film to prove his Indian nationalism? The same was the case with Javed Akhtar. I cannot imagine a learned sane person like him to write a film like Lakshya. There was constant pressure from certain factions in the Indian media and the Indian military on Javed saab after he made friendly trips to Pakistan. India should stop questioning its Muslim citizens to prove their nationalism.

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  • Mohsin
    Mar 23, 2012 - 6:48PM

    @Arjun_Toronto:

    However the majority of the ultrarich in the subcontinent are indians. Reckon if you took them away from India the average would have been alot worse. Thats even more disturbing for India.

    You see, no matter what you say about Pakistan or muslims. We have a more socialistic mindset rather than a capitalistic. We share alot more(or atleast things are rigged by religion and law to share).
    In the main indian religion however. You are born poor and will die poor and no one is allowed to help cause thats your destiny.Recommend

  • Baba G
    Mar 23, 2012 - 6:52PM

    And Said in the begining says he is not disturbed that Pakistan has banned his film… lmao… zor ki lagi hai becharey ko

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  • Divine
    Mar 23, 2012 - 6:55PM

    Saif shot the movie in pakistan without our government’s permission???? Imagine how many RAW spies would be in pakistan without our goverment’s PERMISSION!!!

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  • PakiKaka
    Mar 23, 2012 - 6:57PM

    You can massage your ego as much as you want by beating us up in the film sonny… the funny thing is these comedians bash Pakistan in their films and then have the audacity to say the film is not anti Pakistan… hahaha…

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  • Mr T
    Mar 23, 2012 - 7:01PM

    Easy guys… he’s a Muslim brethren… he is just trying to prove his patriotism to Indians by bashing us Pakistanis so that they dont kill him the next time Gujrat riots happen… As fellow Muslim brothers can’t we let him bash us to look good among Indians… c’mon now… let’s show some heart… lol

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  • Atif
    Mar 23, 2012 - 7:11PM

    Well I do believe that unfortunately sometime the Muslims in India try to make their place in Indian Elite by bashing Pakistan and proving themselves ‘Shah se ziada Shah ka wafadaar’. But bad thing is it hurts the larger picture of Indo-Pak relation, not much but little.

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  • Minar
    Mar 23, 2012 - 7:21PM

    @Mr T:
    @Azam:
    Indian “muslims” are not obsessed with Islam as Pakistanis are. They are well aware of their native Indian identity and Indian heritage. For them Islam is a spirituality not an identity.Recommend

  • abhi
    Mar 23, 2012 - 7:24PM

    its funny reading comments here. saif has really put the cat among piegons.
    If you read all he said that there is a bashing of bad pakistanis. if pakistanis sympathise with these people (terrorists), it is their problem and by banning this movie they are implying it.

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  • Nissan
    Mar 23, 2012 - 7:26PM

    @Atif:
    @Mr T:
    Well, pakistanis are always pretending to be more “Muslim” than the native Muslims too!!!!Recommend

  • Sonam Shyam
    Mar 23, 2012 - 7:32PM

    It’s really amusing that Pakistanis equate criticism of their country as criticism of Islam! Dear Pakistani friends; What Saif Ali Khan’s religion has to do with his criticism of Pakistan? If an Indian Muslim criticizes Pakistan then it is to please the Hindus; how condescending is that? It’s really funny that the Pakistanis believe that no Indian Muslim can ever be critical of Pakistan since they are Muslims. Pakistanis need to understand that Saif; like other 150 million Indian Muslims; does not wear his religion up his sleeve. Saif can safely criticize Pakistan and still remain a devout Muslim. You need to be in India to understand what it means to live in a pluralistic society and still remain Indians to the core. Success of Indian Muslims is the most befitting reply to the two nation theory. Pakistanis who are brought up on communal diet can never understand secularism and will continue to live in a make believe fanciful world.

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  • Atif
    Mar 23, 2012 - 7:33PM

    @Minar

    Really? Lets take it to a step further.. Should ‘Indian’ or ‘Pakistani’ be an Identity then?

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  • sameer
    Mar 23, 2012 - 7:44PM

    Nissan, I am literally laughing at your comment. What does native Muslim mean anyway?

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  • sandeep limaye
    Mar 23, 2012 - 7:54PM

    saif is nawab.. saif is celebrity.. in india. he doesnt need any certificate from hindus of india of his nationality. you pakistani always see the world of your color glasse of religion. he might be taking advantage of pakistan’s ban to create controversy and get publicity for his film. itn norman in bollywood now to give this kind of controversial statement so public may become curious to see the film
    he is marrying a hindu girl and his father also married a hindu no one protested agaist them. if in pakistan any hindu celebrity would marry a muslim girl, he would have killed by mob. we are too liberal for you to digest.

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  • Atif
    Mar 23, 2012 - 7:56PM

    @Nissan

    native muslims? I am sorry but what is that mean?

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  • Syed Haider
    Mar 23, 2012 - 8:04PM

    Indian Muslims are the most impoverished group and backward group inside India, even worse than Dalits. Which is why they have to prove their loyalties to get anywhere in India.

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  • Atif
    Mar 23, 2012 - 8:05PM

    @Sonam Shyam

    and there can Indian Muslim who can praise Pakistan all the times and can still be called good Indian, couldn’t it? Now dont lie… then why isn’t there any? this is because this will not sell. Infact this will fireback.

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  • Ramanujam
    Mar 23, 2012 - 8:06PM

    @Atif:
    You’re right…We’re divided as Indians and pakistanis…Not Hindus and muslims…An Indian muslim will always support India,not Pakistan…They took this decision back in 1947,thats why the migration of Muslims to pakistan was considerably less than those who remained…In fact, number of Indian muslims are almost equal to the pakistani muslims..That doesnt mean he’s a lesser Muslim than you….

    Saif’s parents were born in india,he was raised as an Indian..His father played for India…Why should he prove his allegiance to Pakistan to prove his religion
    BTW,why Pakistan is projected as a frontier of Islam…Your holy places are Mecca and Medina which are in Arabia,your Holy book is written in Arabic,your holy Prophet was an Arabian…

    @sameer
    The Native Muslim is the Arabian Muslim who calls the South Asian muslims as “mawali”..Ask your friends in Gulf how Arabs treat South asian muslims(which includes pakistanis too)

    FYI :Honestly,I feel this film will flop…It has too many cliches and copying…Please dont think it flopped because of the ban by Pakistan

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  • Mar 23, 2012 - 8:13PM

    Saif Ali Khan looks like a Turkic Hero than a Indian Hero. Yep, He has Turk blood in their lineage although they are co-existing with pashtuns in madhya pradesh.

    But… I’d love to watch Agent Vinod with Nana Patekar as Spy Cat.

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  • Atif
    Mar 23, 2012 - 8:19PM

    @Ramanujam

    Ramajujam when Pakistan came into being it has more muslims than India. But I dont want to go to Partition era that is more controversial ( and sensitive ) . We better stay to punk saif and bollywood. My little point is he (or anyone) did not helping in Indo-Pak relationship boosting and I accept we cannot stop individuals from doing it but we can condemn or if cannot, stay quite rather than start justifying it.

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  • Rsingh
    Mar 23, 2012 - 8:23PM

    There is nothing wrong in what Saif said Pakistan. This is what i every day read in Pakistani newspapers.

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  • ufaquarian
    Mar 23, 2012 - 8:29PM

    Saif u disappointed me :( As Pakistani we do want to spread message of love , a few miscreants who direct negative stuff towards India cant be taken as a representation of Pakistani public. you could have shown the negative elements but then u shud have shown how open minded majority Pakistani are.

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  • Rsingh
    Mar 23, 2012 - 8:31PM

    Must say Saif is not a double agent like rest of Bollywood stars.Salman just couldn’t dare to criticize Pakistan when Pakistani reporter asked him about Pakistan’s role in 26\11.

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  • Sana
    Mar 23, 2012 - 8:32PM

    Then why he called ban on his film “a shame”? ISI usual evils, RAW pious incarnations fought with evil ISI to defeat them. How predictable. Ok Indians enjoy it but our censor board is very right to ban this movie as it will hurt Indo-Pak peace process. Looks like only we are making genuine effort in this peace process. Indians are not interested. Nothing new. This is predictable too.

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  • some one
    Mar 23, 2012 - 8:36PM

    I think it will not be right to bash all Indian Muslims for Saif’s mean interview. Saif is not even a muslim who follows any Islamic principle. His mum is hindu and so is his ex wife/present girl friend. This guy is an ememy of Pakistan and Muslims. All the villians in his movie have beards and are portrayed as practicing muslims. He should be sued by the Pak govt for shooting in Pak without permission, now that he has confessed his crime.

    The real Indian Muslim hero is Dr Zakir Naik, who has done considerable dawah work. I am a fan of Dr Naik and have immense respect for him. He has shown several hindus the light of Islam.

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  • Sana
    Mar 23, 2012 - 8:37PM

    @Arjun: We also love your news reporting and we could only watch it on youtube unfortunately.Nothing beats the drama, music and story that comes along with news.

    By the way, what conspiracy theory you read in this news item? Saif didn’t say this? We are making it up.

    As for your love for Pakistani newspapers. I think this statement sums up Indians like you very well that “I hate you but i can’t live without you”.

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  • Freeman
    Mar 23, 2012 - 8:58PM

    @BruteForce: Pakistan does not make any India bashing movies in hater. Indian only makes this type of movies in hater. This type of movies never do good business in box office. Its clearly shows india’s real face how much they hate Pakistan and Pakistanis. Don’t know why they want to do busines with Pakistan.

    I think Saif Ali Khan has show his true colors. Shah Rukh Khan and Amir Khan attitude towards Pakistan was better than Saif.

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  • Scorpio
    Mar 23, 2012 - 8:58PM

    @ perplexed: So you think India is ‘Shining’!! not from what I have seen! Do check out the requirements for Indian Citizenship. i kid you not! If I were a Muslim living in India I would be quite very worried indeed.

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  • kaalchakra
    Mar 23, 2012 - 9:03PM

    Sonam

    In India, it is not easy to be a real Muslim. That total Islamic freedom exists in Pakistan, not in India.

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  • stunning
    Mar 23, 2012 - 9:04PM

    saif has lost his mind…he is trying to win cheap popularity for films and be a hero in hindus eyes….remember u are putting false allegations on a country of your own religion….and you are siding with non beleivers….nothing wrong in being loyal to your country but it is certainly wrong to side with lies of india……..

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  • Freeman
    Mar 23, 2012 - 9:05PM

    As Saif said only 1 crore will be lost in revenue this mean in Pakistan very few people watch Indian Movies. Otherwise we have over 18 crore population if everyone buy 1 rupee ticket then they should be 18 crore Rs.

    Mostly Indian movies are 3rd class copies of the Hollywood movies. They often copy music from the western music and songs. Why we watch 3rd class copies when we can watch original.

    Beleive me indian have no knowledge of this that their moview makers are copying western and Sometime Pakistani music.

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  • Mar 23, 2012 - 9:13PM

    Come on Guys! Get a Life. I don’t know why every time an Indo Pak war gets started over internet. Every time someone ignites a fire and then it keeps on growing. Can’t we argue with each other in respectable and civilized manner. And why every time we take every thing as Anti Pakistan or Anti Indian. They have made a movie against Pakistan. Fine enough. Let them do what they want. It was their freedom to make the movie and its Pakistan’s freedom to ban it. Moreover if they had made the movie then who had stopped us. Don’t we have cameras and directors to make a reality based movie.

    Pls spread Love and not Hate every time.

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  • stunning
    Mar 23, 2012 - 9:16PM

    @Arjun:
    and i am entertained to know and learn that people like you are trying to shield what RAW is determined to do…yes….people like you are trying to dilute the conspiracies…what do you think…?? ISI does not know what RAW is upto,…..you are trying to show that RAW is may be doing research on whether egg or chicken came earlier????? ha ha ha
    you indians are so so so naive,…..you think that we will be inspired and awed by you ….remember we are not afraid of you…on the contrary you are whiners……yes you are afraid of pakistan….if we did not matter to you then why you have so much films on us…why ISI is a thorn in your back…why are you not able to swallow us…????ha ha ha …i think you indians with your anti-conspiracy dilution theories are more entertaining………

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  • Javed
    Mar 23, 2012 - 9:16PM

    I didn’t watch the movie and chances are, never will, stopped watching meaningless movies since I came out of my teenage. I am really amazed to observe educated people on both sides of the border are making such comments about each other. I bet most of you don’t watch such movies or don’t even have time to to watch.

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  • Whats that
    Mar 23, 2012 - 9:36PM

    @Amjad
    “Who cares about Indian movies- uneducated Pakistanis will still find ways to get pirated copies of Indian films but the majority of educated Pakistanis couldn’t care more about Indian films”
    Now that is where the problem is in Pakistan hardly a few percentage of population is educated. By education I do not mean eligible to read or write but think rationally, progressively and logically, otherwise for me it is illiteracy my friend. So most of the Pakistanis are uneducated which means they would end up watching it.

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  • sandeep limaye
    Mar 23, 2012 - 9:44PM

    @Javed
    i agree with you friend here,
    most of us are passing time here on commenting against each other. i dont think even indian will waste their time and money on this hopeless movie

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  • Ramanujam
    Mar 23, 2012 - 9:50PM

    @Atif:
    Well,Saif is not even a cabinet minister..and sometimes even the govt disavows certain speeches made by few politicians..This happens in almost every country which has politics…

    One man or one small organization’s words doesnt entirely sum up the entire nation’s view on a particular topic..
    It is the govt of both the countries which should be taken into account…
    I’ve seen so many hate speeches of Zaid Hamid telecasted in your television channels….Can our Indian govt stop the peace dialogues because of one man’s speech…Or is pakistani govt ready to start the Ghazwa-e-Hind after feeling confident that Pakistan will win according to Zaid’s prophecies

    The bottomline is that Pakistani censor board has given much needed publicity to a movie which looks like a rip-off of Hollywood spy movies…and Saif and other members of the film are secretly thanking the Pakistani censor board for that

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  • mansoor
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:06PM

    it is sad and idiotic at the same time. ‘dramatization’ requires a bit of exaggeration other wise it cant be entertaining.everyone does it….

    the problem with common people on both sides arises from the brainwashing that goes since a kid goes to school. the lies that are fed to him on the wars between Pakistan and India. he is told that we are good and the other country is evil. what he really needs is a balanced picture from both sides so that he can get some insight and LEARN from the mistakes that were made by both sides and ensure they are not repeated in the future

    our governments did support taliban in the early and mid nineties. they did support lashker e taiba and their ‘Jihad’ openly.i can only laugh at the mental state of people and blinds on their eyes when they deny this

    but i believe there is a greater degree of awareness and understanding how much this has cost us in the long run but there needs to be conscious efforts by both sides to bridge the gap and not widen it and in this aspect this film will not help. it will however fill the coffers of the person making it since he knows how this controversy will encourage people to see what all this was about. and they are correct in their assumptions looking at the comments

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpFB-WBzfPE its a movie clip let it be as such….Recommend

  • Nissan
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:18PM

    @Atif:
    @sameer:
    Arabs are the native muslims as Islam is their native and indegenous religion born out of their culture, beliefs and way of life.

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  • Nissan
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:23PM

    @Atif:
    @sameer:
    The Arabs are the native muslims as islam is their native and indegenous religion, born out of their culture, beliefs and way of life. The others are converts!!!!

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  • Minar
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:27PM

    @Atif:
    Indian is a distinct ethnic and genetic identity for millenia, not just a nationality. Pakistan is a mere nationality.

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  • H Chaudhry
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:36PM

    Does it matter what a run of the mill actor says ? The real issue is that these people talk about Pakistani People and Pakistani Army as two different entities. Do they forget that the Pakistan Army is Us and them is Us. They are our brothers, fathers, sons, cousins, dauthers, etc etc etc …

    This is the real message here people wake up ! Stop this crusade on Pakistan Army is being projected a separate entity than Pakistan.

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  • some one
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:39PM

    @Nissan

    Just to correct you. Islam is a divine religion and no particular race has any claim to it. It has been sent down by God to all of humanity. This is the teaching of the holy prophet (saw) who said that no arab has any superiority over a non arab nor vice versa, nor does a white have superiority over a black and vice versa. contrasts to the hindu caste system.
    Islam actually challeged the beliefs of the Arabs (it was not born from arab beliefs) hence the arabs of Makkah during early Islam were violently opposed to Islam. The Quran is in Arabic and Islam started in Makkah, that is because if you notice the world Map Makkah is in the centre of the earth and quranic arabic is one of the most expressive languages learnt very easily even if you dont understand it. Hence you have thousands of Hafiz e Quran who have memorized the whole Quran even though they are not native arabic speakers.

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  • Ramanujam
    Mar 23, 2012 - 11:31PM

    @some one:
    Looks like you have answered your fellow Pakistanis criticizing the Indian Muslims….To rephrase what you said,Islam is a global religion and Noone has any superiority to it….
    Then why should Indian Muslims need to come out to prove himself???

    I think Indian muslims like A.R.Rahman,Abdul Kalam,Zakir Hussein,Ustad Amjad Ali Khan have given more to the world than Pakistani Muslims.Or will you guys denounce them as non muslims as they’re living in a minority status??

    Why do you Pakistani muslims keep harping Indian Muslims for being less in faith just because most of them(not all of them) are tolerant with other faiths and dont support the terrorist organizations which wages war on non-muslims???

    I dont want to go deep into the discussion of religion.but I see most of the comments talking about Ientire ndian Muslims rather than One Indian Muslim called Saif Ali Khan….

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  • a real Khan
    Mar 23, 2012 - 11:41PM

    great reply@Omair Shakil:

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  • ProPatriot
    Mar 24, 2012 - 1:55AM

    Wow! Saif!

    If this hypo-critic movie is for Indians then U shouldn’t even have felt wretched over it being banned in Pakistan. If India can ban our News Channels on exposing the truths like we did real time in “Kargil”, Well! We reserve a right to impose a ban on this pervert piece of work!

    India’s every move is *hitless policitics, even its Sports, Trade, Entertainment or Whatever.

    Douche Bags!! Wow!!

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  • Arjun
    Mar 24, 2012 - 2:20AM

    Sana: Please read what Said said and what the Pakistanis are turning it into. He must have said it only to please Hindus. If that’s not entertaining and funny, I dont know what is. When Pak lost against India, oh it was fixed. Hehe. It goes on. The way Pakistanis perceive the world can be cured only once the come out of their country and their religion-addled minds and start seeing the world as it really is.

    It’s not hate for me. I don’t hate you at all. I love you as a fellow human being. But I find your country’s newspapers, viewpoints and these discussions very amusing because they’re just so ridiculous and theories so bizarro world.

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  • Zeta
    Mar 24, 2012 - 3:53AM

    Let them defeat ISI in their films. We know the reality is exactly opposite that’s why they vent out their frustration in movies. Sad lot

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  • Zeta
    Mar 24, 2012 - 4:04AM

    Good Time to ban the bollywood filth in entirety.Recommend

  • Syed Shah
    Mar 24, 2012 - 4:12AM

    @Skin Taj:
    And should be banned in the Middle East too so that it does not corrupt Arab minds. Hope ZeeAflam does not carry it. That will happen if the Ministry of Foreign Affairs get into action. But will they? I doubt it. Does Ms Khar knows the importance of perceptions?

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  • cheeta
    Mar 24, 2012 - 7:06AM

    @Akha:

    Saif Ali Khan just lost all my respect
    !!

    how? its you decided to ban his movie and that was a reply from him. so blame yourself

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  • cheeta
    Mar 24, 2012 - 7:08AM

    i will see this movie just because of pakistan ban

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  • arjun
    Mar 24, 2012 - 9:36AM

    @Zeta:
    how is the reality opposite when you lost half the country…

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  • braveheart
    Mar 24, 2012 - 10:00AM

    all indian content should be banned

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  • lollywood
    Mar 24, 2012 - 10:13AM

    @Zeta:
    we are seeing pakistan win over India in youtube.

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  • Azm Aftab
    Mar 24, 2012 - 12:31PM

    Great decision by the Pakistani Authorities!

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  • jack
    Mar 24, 2012 - 12:42PM

    For every indian citizen nation comes first than religion and for every pakistani’s religion comes first than country that’s the difference between india and pakistan….

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  • faryal
    Mar 24, 2012 - 4:59PM

    Lousy actor- cheesy embarrassing Bollywood films!

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  • Marium Lodhi
    Mar 24, 2012 - 5:42PM

    Hmm, personally it hardly matters what an individual says, so stop giving him importance by being for or against his statement. Freedom of speech. If the poor guy can make some bucks stereotyping us , let him. I for one stopped believing in integrity in media a long time back. My advice to us (Pakistanis) stop placing such Indians on a pedestal, not worth it. Work towards making our own products marketable, thats it.

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  • Nimesh
    Mar 24, 2012 - 6:06PM

    @some one:
    Islam is definitely the way of life of the Arabs. There is no doubt about that. If you see the historical practices of Arabs before Islam was conceived, they are replicated in the teaching of Islam. Islam only challenged the beliefs of the upper class of Arab society and not the common practices and hence the conflict and resistance by the elites in Arabia.

    Every religion represents the cultural and spiritual beliefs of a particular race/ethnicity. They are born out of their unique way of life. They are written in the native language to cater to the native audience too. That is the primary difference among religions and the relevance of their seperate existence. Hence, Islam is native to Arabia, Hinduism and Buddhism is native to India and Christianity.

    There is no such thing as a center on the surface of a globe!!!!

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  • Pinto
    Mar 24, 2012 - 6:39PM

    Well said Saif

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  • Mar 24, 2012 - 6:43PM

    @Indian on et:
    And long live ET as well. Better than HT and TOI, both congress chamchas!

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  • Mar 24, 2012 - 6:46PM

    @Indi-Pop:
    Ya now we have to watch this crap movie with crap artists like Kareena and Saif. They are both shameless, useless. Am glad their father Nawab Mansoor Ali Khan is not alive. He would have felt ashamed of his son.

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  • Mulla Thought
    Mar 24, 2012 - 6:56PM

    Ban movie,ban eating,ban drinking,ban breathing,ban wearing cloths,ban bathing,ban sleeping,ban bra,ban underwear,as a pakistani ban everythingRecommend

  • Mar 24, 2012 - 7:08PM

    @faryal:
    No Faryal please not all Bollywood films are bad. Ignore this guy and watch actors like Dilip Kumar, Amitabh Bacchan, Shahrukh Khan esp his movie Swades [our country] which can mean any country and it shows a person desperate to go back home. There are other actors also and it’s fun watching these movies on a lazy weekend alone or in company instead of spending money on this guy’s movie in a theatre. I am glad I am not in India otherwise the family would have made me spend money on this crap!!

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  • Ak
    Mar 24, 2012 - 9:08PM

    @some one: Earth is a sphere and all points on the sphere are potentially centre! Just apply basic geometry which I believe you would have learnt in school when making such statements. I am surprised so many educated people making these kind of statements. Being religious doesn’t mean one forgets all logic and scientific temper.

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  • abhi
    Mar 24, 2012 - 9:37PM

    ha ha ha
    Saif has proven to be shahid afridi of India, after all he also has pathan blood in him.

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  • Pakistani
    Mar 24, 2012 - 10:21PM

    @jack:
    So wats the point. That’s ur choice. U do whatever u like. We r least interested.

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  • PakArmySoldier
    Mar 24, 2012 - 11:15PM

    “We have shown the Pakistani Army involved with the Taliban and Afghanistan. We have shown them assassinating… If you feel this is unreasonable or not true, then it is fair enough”

    This comment demonstrates that he is bred on a diet of anti-Pakistan hatred and it is entirely natural for naive individuals like him to fall victim to it. His statement is not anchored in any sort of empirical evidence but mere hear-say and speculations.

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  • Amjad
    Mar 24, 2012 - 11:24PM

    @abhi: Sorry this guy Saif is like most so called Pashtuns of India – they are really just converted Hindus- they can’t speak Pashtu and don’t even look like Pashtuns of Pakistan. Maybe they had 1% Pashtun blood and 99% Hindu Indian blood. Regardless, I don’t care about his movie since I don’t watch Indian films anyways!

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  • lahorite
    Mar 25, 2012 - 4:01AM

    relax guyz….v r the asian championz.
    becoooool

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  • Brohi
    Mar 25, 2012 - 10:26AM

    AV is the most lousy film ever! i think ram gopal verma ki aag was a better film! the script & story both r pathetic, all AV does is rely on its anti pak scenes & dialouge to cater to AAM JUNTA of India.
    Total rubbish & will be the biggest flop of 2012……better luck next time Saif

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  • Mar 25, 2012 - 1:43PM

    @Freeman:

    First Pakistan has to have a movie industry to make movies. Isn’t fun forbidden in Pakistan?

    If a Hollywood movie criticizes China or Russia, the people do go up in arms. Only Pakistanis behave this way.

    Past movies have talked about 1965 war or the 1999 war, where Pakistan has been the aggressor. Cant show Pakistan in a good light in such situations can you. It amounts to lying.

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  • Mirza Zulfiqar Baig
    Mar 25, 2012 - 2:12PM

    Saif should make movies on the plight of Kashmiris who are struggling for Independence and suffering 800,000 Indian brutal army force.

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  • Fauzia Mussarat
    Mar 25, 2012 - 3:48PM

    I don’t get why do we even bother about Indian movies. what is this movie all about ?

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  • khizra raza
    Mar 25, 2012 - 7:57PM

    that was one high desperate attempt to prove yourself loyal to India…alas!! indians feel happy with such petty things

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  • H Chaudhry
    Mar 26, 2012 - 12:52AM

    Here is my 2 cents for us Pakistanies. Why do we bother seeing Indian movies ? Why cant we police ourselves and stop watching these movies. I have never seen an Indian moving since early 90s when I felt that this is a Cultural invasion. I am doing just fine. Lets take steps towards our identity and it will not happen if we do not take the Hindu / Indian cultural aspects out of our lives.

    For good or for bad we have a separate country now. We are not part of India, I am sure we do not want to be part of India either so why watch their movies and influence our culture with theirs. I am not saying one is good or other is bad, we jus tneed to define our own identity.

    Once that happen, it will not matter if India makes a movie about Pakistan Army or us. Remember, they are trying to make a gap between us and our army. They forget that the army comes within us. They are our brothers and fathers. Do not let them divide us. Every thing will be ok.

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  • gudda
    Mar 26, 2012 - 5:46PM

    Its Pakistan right to ban ne thing dat is against it …. n all the indians commenting on dis forum …i think ur authorities would do da same thing if Pakistan would make such type of a movie …… plz dun always try to turn every thing in one perspective….

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  • indian muslim
    Mar 31, 2012 - 2:49AM

    Both arjuns have lost their minds somewhere else in bollywood glamour, Muslims in india have to prove themselves as slaves of shiv sena, rss etc. mr.arjun come out of toronto and visit india. See reality yourself, more than 40 crore indians living below poverty line. your keyboard talent will lead u no where but to insanity.

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  • Hasan
    Apr 4, 2012 - 10:48AM

    HAHAHAHA Saif & all indians could only fight in their movies ,in real world they are flop

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