Pilot-to-tower recording disclosed

Your report says that the pilot was asked to turn right… and he took left.. while the conversation between tower and pilot says another story…Recommend

Amen Sumaamen.Recommend

The last conversation of the Pilot with the Control Tower is indicating that despite repeated warnings Pilot did not went on the root as directed by the Control Tower.

This indicate that Pilot of illfated Air Blue ED-602 was over confidence.

May Al-Mighty Allah rest the souls of deceased passengers in peace and give strength to the breaved familiies to bear the irreparable loss of precious human lives. Ameen.Recommend

May Allah grant patience to the families of the bereaved. There is of course no doubt that now the whole media and the government will step in and start playing dumb charades. The report has already given identification of that. Just look at the last line. “An FIR will be registered on the basis of the report.”

FIR against whom? Pilot error or no pilot error, the pilot is dead and so are 151 other people. And lets not forget that no crash investigation in Pakistan has ever been made public. My advice to the government is to make public its investigation and let the families of the deceased decide what they want to do about it.

Also while you’re at it, give this a read:
http://www.thetrueperspective.com/2010/07/margalla-hills-crash.htmlRecommend

I don’t believe this is the correct usage of ATC language. This report is just based on emotions and nothing else. There could be a technical or pilot error but leave that for the professionals to determine. I am utterly ashamed of the media towards covering this story. Pakistani media has no ethics whatsoever. Dawn news was having a blast to hear that a plane had crashed. Ary was boasting it was the first one to break the news. Geo started playing the blame game on authorities. Has anyone considered the terrain they had to conquer, had anyone thought of the weather. For the sake of humanity and the dimming hope of a civilized society, please refrain from making such judgement and from publishing stories that make no logical sense nor has credibility. Pakistani media is just like to jaahil women fighting over nonsense. Have some shame. If one innocent dies in Pakistan, consider it a loss for the nation.Recommend

i have heard the conversation of all the related persons and authorities but no one is ready to give the proper answer.every one is giving hab hazzard answers not coordination between the govt officials.poor people are puzzle to know the fact but no onne is ready to satisfy them inspite of just political comments.Recommend

We Pakistanis are daredevils by nature, its clear from the conversation between ATC and the pilot. When flights from Islamabad to Gilgit are cancelled due to bad weather, people curse the PIA. They don’t realize it’s for their own safety.

Safety regulations should be strictly followed by all airliners and training on flight safety should be given to all pilots regularly.

I can understand why the Chinese pilot didn’t take the risk, as i have worked in chinese environment(telco sector). They are extremely concerned about safety regulations and follow them like anything. There used to be a training on safety procedures on quarterly basis and different cases were discussed.

May ALLAH grant janat to all the victims. Ameen.Recommend

I am in complete resonance with what Ahsan Zafeer just commented.Recommend

The kind of communication reported here is next to impossible as no ATCO nor the Pilot uses this kind of language while communicating over the “Radios”.
Myself being a Pilot is too sure about it.

It may please be noted that all Pilots go through a “RADIO TELEPHONY OPERATORS COURSE” or the “RTO” prior to commencing the first solo flight of their careers.

I am surprised that prior to the discovery of the “CVR” (Cockpit Voice Recorder) and the “FDR” (Flight Data Recorder)and way before the “CIB” (Crash Investigation Board) revealed the findings people have jumped to a conclusion that it was a “PILOT ERROR”.

It is even worst to see people commenting as technical experts on this tragic incident without even knowing a thing about the “General Aviation” or “Flying” or the “Aircrafts”.

I would like to make an appeal to all such people “Please lets not use this disaster as a platform to get yourself in the limelight”
and a very humble request to our media “Please refrain from adding to the miseries of the family members of the deceased by raising inappropriate questions and also by alleging the airline or the crew or those involved in rescue operations, Please play a positive role”.

Last but not the least, let us all stand as one to get through the worst moments and pray to almighty ALLAH (SWT) to bless the departed souls in the heavens, Amen!

PAKISTAN PAIDABAD!Recommend

The crash has happened and done with the untimely demises of many young, old and others.
But the question I want to raise here to the authorities, who have so called disaster management cell and other relief committees, Why don’t they have water sprinkles, men drop out techniques and other equipments???
Are they prepared with the passionate young employees ONLY who can rescued others by risking their lives ….we are expecting from authorities to act professionally and sensibly at this kind of time rather just being interviewed on television and newspaper.
Just think about those who may got the chance to survive but the late rescued operation let them burnt in the heavy fire exploded, who might be screaming for their lives at the last moment praying to Allah, as if it is the end, O Lord please take our lives quickly as we are burning with our cut body parts.

But I think Margalla hills are high enough that they can’t even heard or feel their last words. They always think to plan such things AFTER certain incidents because I believe they just have ONLY this way for preparing themselves.Recommend

After reading this report, i think that this is the mistake of Pilot or may be Lack of communication b/w pilot and control tower. But whatever Allah bless them and enter them into Heaven.
Ameen.
ibraheemsaudi@yahoo.comRecommend

A moment of grief, a moment of silence and pray that’s what we are supposed to do right now… blaming the pilot, blaming the tower won’t do any good… let’s just pray that may Allah give patience to the families of the dead and courage to move on in life Ameen Sume AmeenRecommend

Abbas Syed’s point is worth reading….Recommend

Hi Salams

First of all heart condolences for all the families of Deceased. The standard of Airblue planes is the biggest question mark on pakistan aviation services. I once travelled on airblue from dubai to lahore and i was terrified that aircraft was old with alot of misfit voices coming from all part of plane. It leave altitude suddenly. In that flight i decided not to travel in airblue any more. i cancelled my return flight and used emirates instead. I think for domestic travel PIA is far better as their jets are much bigger and newer.
Second thing is employing a pilot whose ago is more than 60 is a crime. Airblue is responsible for this incident and they should be penalised for that.Recommend

@Nilofar

it was fighter plane. It was passenger plane infact. And please do read the comments above your commentsRecommend

come on people I mean does it really matter now.. left , right, up , down… bad news is plane is crashed and people are dead… just pray for them and for their families.Recommend

The link in the previous post is non-responsive. This is the correct link:

http://www.thetrueperspective.com/2010/07/margalla-hills-crash_29.htmlRecommend

In my case, I would Like to hear that thing myself, Govt. or CAA aren’t to be trusted. When Media has access to 90% of the stuff. The recording SHOULD be handed over for others to know Who’s fault was it anyways (the pilot or someone at the CT). We can’t blame the dead as it is.Recommend

The conversation between the ATC and Ed-202 quoted by the media can be verified as fake by any reputable pilot.
The ATC has a specific protocol for each aircraft which happens to be present in EVERY conversation..Recommend

Well after listening to all the gossips it can be concluded that the PILOT was totally lost.He misjudged the RUNWAY all together.When the plane crashed its LANDING GEAR was ON which indicates that the pilot was in the mood of LANDING.Also he said to the tower that he can SEE the RUNWAY.Due to low visibility he may have thought that MARGALLA hills is the RUNWAY

<<<<<<<<<<< PILOT ERROR >>>>>>>>>>>>>Recommend

The communication looks genuine see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd0v9wY_Xz0Recommend

I am deeply stressed by the fact that accident i due to a simple pilot error. I am so sorry for the families that have to live with this ever after.Recommend

Another factor might be the fact that the runway on which the plane was to land does not have ILS installed which made the pilot to go manual. If it had ILS, the pilot would have just given the control to the flight computer and it would have landed the plane safely. It is such a sad thing. But Pakistan should install ILS systems on all its runways. Not only that but all Pakistani planes also must have Mode-S/ADS-B systems to help them locate other planes and themselves in relation to the ground via GPS at all times. This accident would not have happened if pilot had situational awareness during poor visibility. Technology allows to have complete control and fly safely even in zero visibility and harsh weather provided we install those technologies and use them. While one of the runways of Islamabad has ILS, the other one does not, and it cost alot of lives. Pakistani government must pass a law requiring the best technologies be used in civil aviation both on planes and in airports.Recommend

All people have to die one day
When the time is there, then sometimes God makes the judgement of even the best and most skilled people cloudy and its a split second confusion or delay that leads to your death.

That pilot’s character is above board because he had so many flying hours under his belt, it was not his fault but fate….because the entire circumstances seem so confusing.

it all happened on the day of 15th of shaban , when the previous night decision of the future of the 150 people was written by Allah
Its ok , for purposes of report , we can say that it was pilot error maybe, but there are a lot of complex factors involced in such a situation and its a series of unfortunate events that lead to the result.It would be said to blame his character.It was written.and he was a fit and experienced pilotRecommend

This is such a tragic loss.
But it wasn’t Pilot’s fault.
Maybe it was their fate that led to this, maybe Hazrat Essa was already there to take away his soul, and that’s why he could see the Runway instead of Hills. I think. But I’m feeling really sorry for those who had lost their loved ones.Recommend

Well, the tower knew the plane was making bad decisions. Whether the tower telling the pilot to turn left and the controversy there in the article is a telling detail, I don’t know. Just because a pilot can see the runway while in a landing mode in poor weather conditions, doesn’t ensure a safe landing. Plenty of things can appear that aren’t visible if the pilot doesn’t comply with the readings from his charts and instruments.Recommend

I don’t think this is the real conversation between the pilot and ATC. This does not sound like pilot language!!Recommend