Hafiz Saeed vows jihad against India will continue

Published: December 19, 2011

Makes first call for jihad at public rally since UN ban on Jamaatud Dawa. PHOTO: EXPRESS/FILE

Makes first call for jihad at public rally since UN ban on Jamaatud Dawa. PHOTO: EXPRESS/FILE Banners, posters put up around city despite admin’s ban on advertising . PHOTO: ABID NAWAZ/EXPRESS
LAHORE: 

Jamaatud Dawa (JD) chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed vowed on Sunday that the jihad to oust Indian forces from Kashmir would continue, the first time he has made a reference to jihad since his group was declared a terrorist outfit by the United Nations in 2009.

Saeed was speaking at the ‘Difa-i-Pakistan Conference’, a gathering of thousands of supporters of Wahhabi and Deobandi parties at Minar-i-Pakistan on Sunday to protest against ‘US and Nato terrorism’. All the speakers at the rally called for jihad and told their supporters to prepare for war.

During his speech, Difa-i-Pakistan Council Chairman Maulana Samiul Haq read out an oath to the audience that they would participate in jihad when the Council gave the call. “We will attack Indian, US, Russian and Nato forces if they try to violate Pakistan’s sovereignty,” they said, repeating after Haq.

Haq said the various parties at the conference had united and would work together until their goals were achieved.

The organisers had invited the parents of men killed fighting in Kashmir and Afghanistan to the conference. A man who had lost three sons and two nephews was called to the dais to speak briefly. From the stage, men on loudspeakers led the crowd in chants of ‘Sabilina sabilina, al jihad al jihad’, ‘India ka aik ilaaj, al jihad al jihad’.

‘Difa-i-Pakistan jihad-i-fi sabilillah se hoga’ (Pakistan’s defence is only possible through jihad) proclaimed a huge banner, decorated with images of missiles, tanks and fighter jets, that formed the backdrop to the stage. Speakers walked to the stage accompanied by gunmen.

The crowd was dominated by JD activists waving the group’s black and white striped flag, which is also the flag of Lashkar-i-Taiba, proscribed as a terrorist outfit by Pakistan. In December 2009, the UN declared JD an alias of LT, which is believed responsible for the Mumbai terror attacks.

Some in the crowd also waved the flag of Sipah-i-Sahaba, another banned terrorist outfit. Supporters of the Jamaat-i-Islami, Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam (Sami), Tanzim-i-Islami, Aalmai Khatme Nabuwat, Tanzim Mashaikh Azzaam, Jamiat Ahle Hadith and Majlis-i-Ahrar also turned out in large numbers.

In his address, Hafiz Saeed said jihad was obligatory for Muslims. He said if the Americans tried to invade Pakistan, they would be resisted and killed. He said America had been trying to get Israel to take out Pakistan’s nuclear weapons, but was now planning the task itself. He said that Pakistan and Afghanistan were like twin brothers; whoever tried to harm one, would have to face the people of the other country. He demanded that the Pakistani government end all contacts with the US. He said that a similar rally would be held in Rawalpindi. “We will no longer fight America’s war, we will fight Pakistan’s war,” he said.

Saeed said that his support for Kashmir remained firm. “We were with Kashmiris and are with Kashmiris,” he said.

He said that JD would not allow the government to grant most-favoured nation trading status to India. “We will surround the markets where Indian goods are sold,” he said, adding a call for revenge against India for the separation of Bangladesh from Pakistan.

JD leader Hafiz Abdul Rehman Makki said that the participants wielding JD flags had been trained to use rifles and Kalashnikovs. “When they head towards India with weapons, no one can resist them,” he said.

Former ministers Sheikh Rasheed Ahmed and Ijazul Haq, son of the late dictator Gen Ziaul Haq, also addressed the participants.

Maulana Ahmad Ludhianvi spoke against Ahmedis. He said that US-Pakistani businessman Mansoor Ijaz was an Ahmedi and was conspiring against Pakistan in the form of the memo scandal. He said 4,000 young people he had sent for jihad had died.

Former Inter Services Intelligence chief General (retired) Hameed Gul said Pakistan did not want war against the US, but “America has destroyed our lives and now we have no choice but to take a firm stand against it”. He said that he supported those who wanted to fight for the country after the Nato strikes that killed 24 soldiers. He said that an Islamic revolution, not general elections, was what Pakistanis needed to resolve their problems.

Syed Ziaullah Shah Bukhari, Maulana Tahir Ashrafi, Maulana Zahidul Raashdi, Abdullah Shah Mazhar, Hafiz Ibtisam Ilahi Zaheer, Maulana Mazhar Javed and Maulana Bashir Ahmed Sial also spoke at the rally.

Published in The Express Tribune, December 19th, 2011.

Reader Comments (116)

  • Arjun
    Dec 19, 2011 - 2:33AM

    How sad to have neighbours like this.

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  • John
    Dec 19, 2011 - 2:55AM

    “we will attack US, NATO, India and russia”… What else is left out???

    “America is trying to get Israel to take out nuclear weapon”… Come on guys.. Do you think america and Israel has no other important work apart from thinking abt Pakistan…what do you really think about yourselves??

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  • arshad lone
    Dec 19, 2011 - 3:14AM

    ^ no your absoloutely right, america and isreael are too busy working furiously to maintain world peace, it just so happens to achieve that they have to kill around 10-12 million ppl..ha

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  • Ali
    Dec 19, 2011 - 3:16AM

    Truly upsetting – This is what happens when your “assets” go rogue. JuD or any other militia have little understanding of the world around themselves. I am a Pakistani and it is no secret that Pakistan has been cornered by the powers that be but this is not the answer. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
    - Here’s to world peace and not a world in pieces

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  • arshad lone
    Dec 19, 2011 - 3:17AM

    your right arjun i was thnking the same bjp, rss, shiv sena and other hindu fundos destroying muslim places of worship…gujrat genocide…sikh massacre at operation blue star. the list is endless. did i mention the 300 million dalits who live in abject poverty?

    people who live in glass houses, should not throw stones…

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  • Gill
    Dec 19, 2011 - 3:32AM

    Jammu Kashmir is not a property of india or pakistan , both can go to hell being evil occupiers of my coutnry Jammu kashmir |no to india no to pakistan|

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  • Soho
    Dec 19, 2011 - 4:14AM

    We don’t need stupid, illiterate, and ignorant people like yourself to defend Pakistan, Mr. Saeed! In fact you’re
    ‘nothin but trouble’ for Pakistan.
    So, cap it! Put a lid on it, etc. etc.
    People, click ‘recommend’ if u agree. Let’s send him a message.

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  • Soho
    Dec 19, 2011 - 4:20AM

    @Arjun:
    That’s an idiot’s opinion! Not Pakistan’s. Answer is to counter him. He may be strong but we r stronger. Peace n Sanity will prevail, insha’Allah! Recommend

  • Soho
    Dec 19, 2011 - 4:28AM

    @John:
    Unfortunately, that’s the common perception in Pakistan. Like american have nothin better to do but to find ways to mess us up. Sad but true. Lack of Education, with a capital E. Let’s HOPE!!!

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  • Nadir
    Dec 19, 2011 - 4:58AM

    This says it all: Maulana Ahmad Ludhianvi spoke against Ahmedis…. he said 4,000 young people he had sent for jihad had died! Really something to be proud off. Why dont these jokers grab their kids and head to the front lines before sending everyone else to the slaughter. Isnt there activities illegal anyways?

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  • amjad cheema
    Dec 19, 2011 - 5:14AM

    Aabpara industry was in full swing>

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  • Ollie Raza
    Dec 19, 2011 - 5:49AM

    This rally showed it clearly that JD, Hafiz Saeed, terrorist orgs like Sipah Sahaba and their political apologists all are just one intity in different garbs whenever it is required. I think it is ISI is ulitmate threat to US in order to receive Bhatta for their mercernry work. Bjut their problem is going to be well informed US admn under President Ubama and the Pakistanis who finally have understood the game and supporting Imran Khan.

    Readers must know that Jamat Islami has been asking for $$$$$$ thru different organizatiions but failed. That is why they are now threatening. It has nothing to do with KASHMIR, ISLAM OR PAKISTAN. IT IS ABOUT HOW CAN THEY HAVE $$$$$…As far ret Gen Hamid Gul is concerned, he is a shaky character who has been working for CIA undercover and kept alive for all parties for a time when he will act a intermediatery to save face for all parties involved…like negotiationg with Taliban on behalf of Taliban.

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  • maxwell
    Dec 19, 2011 - 6:18AM

    These blood nuts will soon be crushed to dust….what a country that allows such freaks to walk on the road of a country that has a great religion like Islam to follow.
    Time for these creatures to go away from the face of earth has come…Just wait and watch.

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  • jagjit sidhoo
    Dec 19, 2011 - 7:01AM

    @Nadir: “Why dont these jokers grab their kids and head to the front lines before sending everyone else to the slaughter.”SPOT ON in fact the press would do everyone a great favor if it revealed to every one what the family members of the jihadists given above are doing for their living. Like how many are in the army and how many have green cards?

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  • Omar
    Dec 19, 2011 - 7:40AM

    Arent these outfits banned in Pakistan…isnt there a law against inciting hatred…shows to demonstrate hand and glove attitudeRecommend

  • Amazed
    Dec 19, 2011 - 8:01AM

    thank God , PTI did not indulge in this gathering of losers……..

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  • Usman
    Dec 19, 2011 - 8:11AM

    Umm, its a bit rich of Indians to come here and pretend to have the higher moral ground. What’s Shiv Sena up to these days? Gujrat. Kashmir, Babri Masjid? Ring any bells?

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  • Malatesh
    Dec 19, 2011 - 9:28AM

    OMG!!!, Look, how charity organizations are being run in Pakistan. Who will fund Hafiz Saed for his new mission? Obviously his own charity will fund him right?

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  • Malatesh
    Dec 19, 2011 - 9:30AM

    Musharaff is coming back to Pakistan and Hafiz Saed is launching Jihad. Both are very much concerned matters for India.

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  • Malatesh
    Dec 19, 2011 - 9:41AM

    @arshad lone

    what is the connection between “300 million Dalits are under poverty” and ” Terrorism/Jihad”

    Every country in this world people living below poverty line.

    By the way, you know how many temples/churches were destroyed in pakistan? Recommend

  • A Fahran
    Dec 19, 2011 - 9:42AM

    @arshad lone: try something else-thats not what the world thinks of Pakistan. educate yourself why Pakistan is in such a sad situation. It does not take too much intelligence for that! And you compare to India with the reputation you carry -no matter who says anything here.

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  • faraz
    Dec 19, 2011 - 10:06AM

    Because of such loonies, we are called the global hub of terrorism

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  • Iron hand
    Dec 19, 2011 - 10:24AM

    What monstrous evil on display, and what a continuing tragedy that so many Pakistanis think like this.

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  • narayana murthy
    Dec 19, 2011 - 10:45AM

    @Usman who says “What’s Shiv Sena up to these days? Gujrat. Kashmir, Babri Masjid? Ring any bells?”

    No. Not a single bell. Because, kashmir, Gujrat, Babri masjid are our internal matters.

    Shiv Sena, BJP, RSS never sent illiterate cowards to kill people in Karachi.\

    I guess you are too dumb to understand the difference.

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  • Hu Jintao
    Dec 19, 2011 - 10:46AM

    @Arjun:
    We have same feeling
    Sandwiched between two evils

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  • Falcon
    Dec 19, 2011 - 10:54AM

    @Amazed: It is highly unlikely PTI will engage in anything immature like this. IK has mentioned many times that PTI (if and when in power) will focus on de-weaponization of the region and not allow any militant outfit to operate.

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  • MarkH
    Dec 19, 2011 - 11:12AM

    I’ve always known they were irrational. They’ve been upgraded to insane. The fights that man wants to pick is going to get you wiped off the planet if you don’t put a leash on him.

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  • Adil Bashir
    Dec 19, 2011 - 11:46AM

    pakistan can be the only country in the world who have the insanity of challenging world powers united states, russia, india, israel, all in the same breath! does mr. saeed even realise what will happen to pakistan if it decides to take on all of these countries together??? the situation in pakistan wud be far worse than wat is currently in the war trodden afghanistan..

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  • Ali
    Dec 19, 2011 - 11:49AM

    To all my indian fellow!!

    this is a crazy minority who thinks like that, We respect your national integrity and would always like to improve our relationship with india for our stability!!Recommend

  • maestro
    Dec 19, 2011 - 11:54AM

    WHY IS THIS “MAN” and his “PARTY” allowed to walk free? – I am a Pakistani and we want answers from the military and government AND SUPREME COURT. His one and ONLY agenda is spreading hate in the name of Islam – you moron Saeed – ISLAM the word means PEACE! Where is JUSTICE?? People like him brainwash young minds into violence. Recommend

  • Ghaznavi
    Dec 19, 2011 - 11:58AM

    There can not be sustainable peace between Pakistan and India until the the key issue of Kashmir are resolved to the satisfaction of Kashmiris. Till then there will be hate factories working overtime in both India and Pakistan.The sooner India accepts it and move towards a solution the better it is for 1.5 Billion south asians.

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  • vasan
    Dec 19, 2011 - 11:59AM

    People who complain about Shiv sena are out ot their mind. Shivsena has never announced Jihad against Pakistan, they never threaten to kill pakistanis and most importantly they have near zero support outside mumbai and they have negligible support in mumbai. That does not mean you cannot complain about them. But to compare them against Hafiz Sayeed is idiotic ,Recommend

  • Habib
    Dec 19, 2011 - 12:12PM

    Is there a chance that these irrational forces could come to rule Pakistan some day? Or control its nukes? The whole world will be in deep danger then.

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  • Tariq Qureshi
    Dec 19, 2011 - 12:33PM

    Salafis, the ones that try to stick to the sunnah or arRassool saw, strictly, consider Hafith Sa’eed to be on the extreme.

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  • Tariq Qureshi
    Dec 19, 2011 - 12:36PM

    @John (if that is your name). Yes, I do believe that the zionist lobby is going full-throttle against Pakistan. No doubt. You are not fooling anyone by your trolls.

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  • Rafhan Kashmiri
    Dec 19, 2011 - 12:36PM

    What wrong he said….I am also liberal but not ready to ignore sovereignty of our country.
    If some one said that “We will attack Indian, US, Russian and Nato forces if they try to violate Pakistan’s sovereignty,” then how do a true pakistani differ with this statement ?
    Why don’t so called liberal people read the human rights commission reports about Indian and Israel brutality in Kashmir and Palestine ?
    Be a liberal but not too , so you neglect your creed,faith and religion…!!!

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  • Malik
    Dec 19, 2011 - 12:39PM

    Still they claim claim that Jamat ud Dawa is a welfare organization

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  • Shehryar
    Dec 19, 2011 - 12:47PM

    Someone should start an International Jihad Tournament. Gather all these terrorists into teams and let them go at each other. Winning team should get a shiny gold trophy and be shot on the spot so they can embrace martyrdom.

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  • pakistani baloch
    Dec 19, 2011 - 1:03PM

    *thanx hafiz saeed ,,we all r wid u *

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  • AN
    Dec 19, 2011 - 1:12PM

    @arshad lone:

    Hindu “fundoos” dont talk about jihad against pakistan. Nor do they care about war. Besides repeating sikh riots of 1984, 27 year incident can hardly equate the call for jihad by such elements. Indeed such incidents send shock waves of horror in all capitals of the world, and push pakistans reputation further south. Instead of condeming such jihadis, you are trying to justify there speeches?Recommend

  • AN
    Dec 19, 2011 - 1:22PM

    @Ali:
    And we in India do wish that pakistan stabelizes and gets on with the work of doing its bit for its population and our poor.
    The world is going thru tough times, and if we as neighbours cooperate with each other and behve as a team rather than adverseries, we could be as important a bloc as ASEAN, or EU.
    Thank God there are sensible souls as you across the border. cheers to that!!

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  • Parvez
    Dec 19, 2011 - 1:25PM

    The establishment’s pandering to such groups is a disgrace and a blot on their image.

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  • Mard-e-Haq
    Dec 19, 2011 - 1:25PM

    I have always suspected JD and other “Islamist” terrorist groups of being US pawns. Their only motive is to create mayhem so that we can continue to beg for money from the Saudis, who, are allies of the US. Furthermore, without JD and Taliban terrorism, can the US launch drone attacks against us?

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  • AN
    Dec 19, 2011 - 1:27PM

    @Ghaznavi:
    Firstly india has no hate factories that want to do jihad against pakistan. Secondly, Why is the onus of answering jihadis and finding solutions, the responsibility of India? Pakistan has to be responsible for its citizeny. thats the law of the world

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  • Munir Ahmad Saeed
    Dec 19, 2011 - 1:31PM

    Dear Arjun, do not worry barking dogs seldom bite, a neighbor hater can not be a true Muslim @Arjun:

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  • Munir Ahmad Saeed
    Dec 19, 2011 - 1:33PM

    Gill jee we are ready to vacate, when India announces the same.@Gill:

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  • Yuri Kondratyuk
    Dec 19, 2011 - 1:42PM

    @Ghaznavi:

    Till then there will be hate factories
    working overtime in both India and
    Pakistan

    FYKI, India doesn’t have any Hate Pakistan Factories. We Indians know that hatred is a game for fools.

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  • murassa sanaullah
    Dec 19, 2011 - 1:49PM

    could mr. saeed tell me if we fight with indians being hindus ,,kill chinese and russians being kafirs ,kill iranians being shias, only afghanistan is left who doesnot trust and like us. ask any afghan he will blame us for thier destruction. after the fall of kubul , dead bodies of pakistani jihadis and comman pakistanis could be seen in kabul.

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  • wonderer
    Dec 19, 2011 - 1:51PM

    @Ghaznavi

    India would resolve the Kashmir problem to the satisfaction of all Kashmiris within days if Pakistan stops meddling in Kashmir affairs, withdraws all terrorists who were infiltrated into Kashmir, vacate the portion of the state taken over by aggression and close all terror factories in the illegally occupied Kashmir.

    Kashmir is a part of India. Kashmiris do not want to join Pakistan (ask Najam Sethi). Just let them live in peace. This is in the best interests of Pakistan too. Jihad of Hafiz Muhammad Saeed will ruin Pakistan.

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  • narayana murthy
    Dec 19, 2011 - 2:00PM

    While people like Saeed disappoints every Indian…a lot of responses from Pakistanis is promising.

    Glad that Pakistanis (at least some) understand the true nature of these jihadists and their motives.

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  • Hyper Ali
    Dec 19, 2011 - 2:34PM

    @Usman: Please ring our bells. When did Shiv Sena did any terrorist attack on Pakistan ? In Gujarat even Hindus died even though quite less than Muslims, but the sum of all is that we lost human lives, for people like you , you love to bracket humans as hindus and muslims , that is all matter to you. Have you forgot how cowardly people like Saeed kill innocents through bombing ? Does that ring any bell ?

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  • Hadi Ansari
    Dec 19, 2011 - 2:49PM

    Jammu and Kashmir belongs to the people who live there.The interest Pakistan and India have is more commercial than social.On both sides of the LOC people are struggling to survive and must be fed up of the fear and threats from mercenary jihadists rather FASADISTS.These guys should set up example.Instead of sending innocent youths to other side of LOC like a lamb to slaughter house ,they must leave their air-conditioned houses and bullet proof luxury cars and proceed to other side of LOC straight from conference.

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  • Kamran Khan
    Dec 19, 2011 - 2:54PM

    America and Isreael are busy working furiously to maintain world peace, it just so happens to achieve that they have to kill around 10-12 million
    continue counting donot know how much left

    only In Iraq(1.5 million) the reason is newclear weapons which become wrong and killed 1.5 million innocent people. Now tell me who is terrorist

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  • mirror image
    Dec 19, 2011 - 3:46PM

    Let him say anything he wants . boiled water can’t burn a house. just chill…..

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  • Tilopa
    Dec 19, 2011 - 4:16PM

    Wonderful place is pakistan.
    People speak openly about such matters and so provocatively?!
    Wow…i can’t even imagine this!

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  • Fasih Khan
    Dec 19, 2011 - 4:24PM

    @Arjun: You are talking about Indians being Pakistan’s neighbours, Right !!!

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  • Tariq Qureshi
    Dec 19, 2011 - 4:32PM

    @Rafhan Kashmiri: 100% correct assessment Rafhan! It is sick that how lost are these wannabes.
    And India does not have subtle campaigns going on against Pakistan, to undermine Pakistan in every which way they can … I am amazed at the broad-minded Indians, or at least the ones that are posting, posing as one.

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  • Hammad
    Dec 19, 2011 - 4:39PM

    I’ve supported the liberal approach for a long time but I was dejected as I have never heard a viable option from them to liberate Kashmir from the Indians. Please do tell me how you plan to do it without using any force? Do you think you can talk India into handing over a whole state to Pakistan? How has dialogue/mutual understanding/confidence building measures been working out for you?
    I think Indians will agree with me when I say that India will never give up IHK unless we pry it out of their hands forcefully. I wish there was a peaceful way forward but I just can’t see one right now (without giving up Kashmir which isn’t acceptable to any Pakistani). Both Indian and Pakistani answers are welcome :)

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  • Fasih Khan
    Dec 19, 2011 - 5:08PM

    @Rafhan Kashmiri: 100 % Agreed Rafhan.

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  • AN
    Dec 19, 2011 - 5:12PM

    @Hammad:
    You are absolutely right! There is a zero chance that Kashmir will either be handed over to pakistan, or it can pry it open from india by force. Remember, Kashmir is not just a philosophy for india( more than 35 states and union teritories, huge diversity in language/religion/terrain/culture), our integration is our essence of our Nation State and a highly integrated national identity. So no chance of giving up kashmir, which also includes jammu and ladakh. Its like canada or Russia asking USA to give up Alaska or France asking UK to give up the channel islands/isle of Man.
    Also, hafiz saeed is doing this to keep his business and cashflows going. They too know, theey cant get any support from any quarter as they are seen as terrorists.
    This year, kashmir saw a record tourist arrival in its entire history. The local population thinks if the jihadis shut up for once, kashmir hotels will be totally booked out for next 5 years giving huge employment for the public.
    Every one understand that the young need jobs and a better quality of life. Jihad will hardly get anyone any of that. already non state actors and jihadiis have macde kashmir lose 20 years of progress. enough is enough.

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  • omar
    Dec 19, 2011 - 5:15PM

    @Arjun:
    how sad to have neighbours like india.

    india is worlds biggest democracy, if it is really a democracy, WHY IS THIS SAD? ISNT THIS FREEDOM OF SPEECH??

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  • zehra
    Dec 19, 2011 - 5:16PM

    omg, , what rot was he talking, we should wage war against the world? and please don’t even get me started on Kashmir, Pakistan is no better than India forcing Kashmir to be a part of itself, rubbish, let the Kashmir’s decide and till then both should stay out of it. Also frankly i think the gov and all of us should be more concerned on managing whatever we have rather than getting back Kashmir and mishandling and ruining it like Pakistan too.
    I am a Pakistani and I really feel for the atrocities but I really feel first we should help ourselves then others, phele apne aap ku tou theek karein, economy, education, security, health all going down, corruption inflation increasing every day, with such threats of ‘’so called islamists”’ I don’t feel we can afford to advice, safe or protect anyone else other than our own selves right now. It should be just about Pakistan, why the hell can’t we have our own policy rather than dragging liberation of Kashmir in every issue??
    I know I will get bashed, but I am fed up, I don’t see how it is such a big deal if in occupied territory ppl are getting killed, kidnapped, raped, Muslims are terrorized, when the same exact same is happening every day in our country? so as long as we have Kashmir it will be ok if the same continues there and here??Instead of fighting for Kashmir Afghanistan we should fight jihad against illiteracy, corruption intolerance, give rights to Baluchistan before pointing finger at India for depriving Kashmir’s. It is sickening and I just am fed up of this whole blame the world for our mess approach!!
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  • G. Din
    Dec 19, 2011 - 5:20PM

    @Hammad:
    “I think Indians will agree with me when I say that India will never give up IHK unless we pry it out of their hands forcefully. “
    India will never part with Kashmir, period. You have made three attempts at prying it out of our hands by force with nothing to show for your efforts except losing half your country. Go ahead, make our day. Try again!

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  • jagjit sidhoo
    Dec 19, 2011 - 5:51PM

    @Hammad: In the context that both of us are nuclear weapon states neither of us can capture and hold even an inch of the others territory all this talk of Ghaws-eh- Hind and Akhand Bharat is just the looney toons on both sides letting off a lot of hot air. We can create problems for each other but words like’ capture and invade’ just throw them out of the window anyone who talks on these lines on either side of the border is just trying to stay in the news to get the personal benefits that accrue.My solution is have peace and make the borders irrelevant like in the the EU or USA &Canada have no requirement of visas then i can drive down to Lahore whenever i want and you can drive down to Goa or Srinagar whenever you want . How do you like my idea i like to dream GOOD & BIG .

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  • Umer
    Dec 19, 2011 - 6:09PM

    I find it ironic that when people of Pakistan get together in order to show their resolve to protect Pakistan against foreign aggression and to protect its sovereignty, they are labeled as “Terrorists” by Indians and Pro-Indians. However, when your right BJP, RSS, Shiv Sena and other hindu leaders openly talk about their hate against Pakistan, they become “Patriots”.

    When destruction of Babri Majid, Gujrat genocide, Oppression on Kashmiris, Golden Temple Attack (Operation Blue Star)and poverty of 450 million Dalits come under discussion, that topics ‘Instantly’ becomes “Internal Matters of India”. However, Indians and pro-Indians find their birth-right to openly criticize policies of Pakistan and actions of Pakistani masses.

    When leaders of Pakistan raise their voice to show their solidarity with Muslims of Kashmir, their voice instantly becomes “Problem in solving Kashmir Issue” for Indians and their supporters. However, the same people become blind to see the presence of 7,00,000 Indian soldiers in Kashmir as a “Problem in solving Kashmir issue”.

    Will these Indians and their supporters ever learn sanity????

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  • R S JOHAR
    Dec 19, 2011 - 6:12PM

    Delighted to see most Pakistanis reponse towards the JuD chief. Most Western experts including India consider JuD/LeT as one of the most dangerous outfit but unfortunately for the state they are an asset to be used India. However, recent statement by Hafiz Saeed that they want sharia in Pakistan indicate their intention of waging jihad is a ominous sign. After-all this charitable organisation wants charity of jihad to begin at home.

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  • Imran Mohammad
    Dec 19, 2011 - 6:29PM

    Hafiz Saeed should be under house-arrest and not allowed to hold rallies like these.

    He is being used to rile up public sentiments to solidify bargaining chip with chess game going on with US. Not all Pakistanis think like him.

    We should move on.

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  • MarkH
    Dec 19, 2011 - 6:32PM

    @Mard-e-Haq:
    I have always suspected conspiracy theorists to lack credibility and the worth of a well thought out answer to their questions. Weird.

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  • Salim
    Dec 19, 2011 - 6:46PM

    People like Hafiz Saeed are no friend of Pakistan.Our govt should give them free passage to Afghanistan so that they can fullfil their desire for Jihad. Let the Americans get rid of them for good.

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  • MarkH
    Dec 19, 2011 - 6:50PM

    @omar:
    No, it’s not freedom of speech. It’s terroristic threats. That’s illegal in a democracy.

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  • Ch Allah Daad
    Dec 19, 2011 - 7:27PM

    @ Hammad, I have one solution about the problem you mentioned. Its a crazy idea and you might laugh. Let’s make Pakistan a very prosperous, peacefull, developed, successful and greatest country of the world. If we do that, I am sure not only Kashmiris, everyone in India would be begging us to let them in. With fights and destroying each other, it will take centuries to solve our problems but it will take only 20 years, if we start work now.

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  • Ali_1
    Dec 19, 2011 - 7:42PM

    India is allowed to kill innocents in the name of democracy and our Mullahs are not even allowed to talk in the name of Islam and can’t even voice our opinion against Killing tyrrany and Injustice.

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  • hassan
    Dec 19, 2011 - 7:57PM

    @Arjun:
    well resolve kasmir issue according to UN’s numerous resolution and the problem is solved…why have 700000 army in kasmir with the ratio of one armed soldier to three innocent adult men…WHEREVER IS SUPPRESSION BY FORCE THERE IS AGRESSION..

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  • Tariq Qureshi
    Dec 19, 2011 - 7:59PM

    @MarkH Point being, if ‘they’ attack/invade/infiltrate/violate … we will fight them. Of course, most Pakistanis would help the armed forces of Pakistan in the Jihad against the crusaders/invaders.

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  • wonderer
    Dec 19, 2011 - 8:04PM

    @Ch Allah Daad

    No! No! No!

    That is the most wonderful Idea; not at all laughable. I wish you all luck!

    Just one simple condition. Till your idea reaches fruition you will behave properly. and keep all your Hafiz Saeeds at a safe distance from India. Agreed?

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  • Noise
    Dec 19, 2011 - 8:35PM

    Its because of people like these that this country is in doldrums.Recommend

  • Shahnawaz kashmiri
    Dec 19, 2011 - 8:40PM

    @Wonderer i’m myself from indian occupied kashmir & i know you have the habit of spewing disinfo & creating confusions. We kashmiris want to live with pakistan. Our most famous leader is jenab syed ali shah geelani sahab who heads the Hurriyat [G] & who says “kashmir banega pakistan”. He has got majority of followers in kashmir & his word is law here.
    Coming to simple pro-independent party it is JKLF here headed by Yasin Malik which talks of forming independent kashmir. But JKLF has got very limited followers in kashmir that too only in the Maisuma area of srinagar city where Yasin malik lives.
    So inshaAllah Kashmir banega pakistan.Recommend

  • 99
    Dec 19, 2011 - 9:20PM

    Many Pakistanis are so preoccupied with fighting and waging Jihad they dont really care about building their country. Fighting and winning Kashmir is not going to make your lives any better. And there is no certainity that Pakistan will win Kashmir like this and also that the Kashmiris will want to join Pakistan in the first place. There were close to 1m tourists this year in the valley. I doubt the Pakistani side gets even 1/5th those many. People need a livelihood and being on the Indian side currently is a better idea on that front.

    We are aware there are enough muslims and hindus who are extremists in India as well in addition to Dalits and poor people and we are trying to change that. Its a slow process with many hurdles but things have got better and the trend should continue. Poverty is a reallity in India and Pakistan and just pointing out India has more poor people than Pakistan doesnt mean living in Pakistan is like living in Switzerland. India should be such a huge market for Pakistani goods but instead Pakistan is preoccupied with freeing Kashmir. If life in India was so bad for muslims the muslim population in India would have dropped significantly but in actuallity the reverse has happened. The number of minorities now in comparsion to 1947 in Pakistan is something we are all aware off. I dont want to get into the fate of minorities cause there have been attrocities on both sides of the border.

    To use the logic that India also has crazy extremists spouting violence so why shouldnt Pakistan makes no sense. When a Pakistani openly threatens to wage war against India and is known to be a extremist but is allowed to do so openly, it just shows the state of society. The Indian rightwingers will play the hindu-muslim card for political mileage but they dont directly tell Hindus or Indians to wage war against Pakistanis thus its an internal matter.

    These are just my thoughts. Alot of introspection is needed on both sides of the border.

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  • Tilopa
    Dec 19, 2011 - 9:27PM

    @omar
    Look buddy…there is no problem with freedom of speech.If your mullahs wanna talk about doing jihad then we certainly have no problem..but doing it in the disguise of a charity organization is something creepy,right?
    And freedom of speech is a very sophisticated concept…it is not mean for dodos.With every freedom comes some responsibilities and that freedom has to used in a positive way.Declaring war on peoples and spreading violence is just rubbish and in no way freedom of speech. Recommend

  • Falana
    Dec 19, 2011 - 10:02PM

    Hafiz Saeed reminds me of the saying: “with friends like these, who needs enemies”. He should be denounced by Pakistanis themselves since he gives their country a bad name (at the very least). Instead of indulging in flamewars (like this one in response to this news article), Indians and Pakistanis should condemn persons who are violent or promote violence and hatred, whether that person is Indian or Pakistani. It is dumb to defend him just because he belongs to one’s own country.Recommend

  • maestro
    Dec 19, 2011 - 10:10PM

    @AN:
    Theres plenty of us here in Pak who believe in complete dosti with India – enough is enough! Our older generations created this hate among us – now its time for us to join hands and trade, play sports, music, etc. together. The world will watch us with envy I tell you. “divide and rule” is over!! PEACE.

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  • Dec 19, 2011 - 10:12PM

    @All Pakistanis talking about Shiv Sena, Gujrat, Babri etc

    Its NONE of your business, since these all
    are matters internal to INDIA. So you
    DO NOT have any rights to poke your
    nose in India’s internal affairs!

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  • Dec 19, 2011 - 10:40PM

    Jamaatud Dawa (JD) chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed is not a double faced. But EXPRESS TRIBUNE is.

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  • Qazi
    Dec 19, 2011 - 10:43PM

    the comments about ahmedi are really troublesome. Islam teaches religious harmony and peace, so why to instigate common uneducated Pakistani against any sect or religion. i believe Hafiz Saeed or any of his comrade has any idea about Islam

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  • Hammad
    Dec 19, 2011 - 10:43PM

    @jagjit sidhoo
    That would be wonderful. However, Canada and USA have political sovereignty over their territories. The only reason Pakistan was made was so that Muslims would have a country where they were a majority and which they could call their own.Kashmir is very important to Pakistanis and it would be easier for us to part with an arm than accept that Pakistan will never be whole (including the whole of Kashmir). It’s also important for us to be water independent which every country wishes to be.
    On the flip side, for India, Kashmir is a symbol. They are afraid that by giving up Kashmir they will encourage a hundred more separatism movements in their country which may be fatal for them.
    In a situation where a diplomatic solution is impossible, is it so crazy to state that a military option may be the only option aside from giving up.

    @G.Din

    India will never part with Kashmir, period. You have made three attempts at prying it out of our hands by force with nothing to show for your efforts except losing half your country. Go ahead, make our day. Try again!

    Fourth times the charm. Btw I’m not advocating an immediate military solution. I’m just saying that if in five to ten years we get nothing out of the talks, a military solution may be the only solution to the problem. It will be a like a bandage, ripping it off quickly will hurt less then prolonging it.
    Pakistan is a much smaller and poorer country then India, with a smaller army and less strategic depth. For this reason, groups like JuD are so important for any hope of success. They have the ability to rally millions to war in the name of religion in a very shot time frame and almost no cost. They arm themselves, feed themselves, pay themselves and are happy to do it as long as we leave them be. So Pakistanis, before you disrespect these groups know that they may be the only way we’ll ever liberate Kashmir someday (I assume you want that to happen)Recommend

  • Mirza
    Dec 19, 2011 - 10:49PM

    Has India ever killed 35 thousand innocent civilian Pakistanis in Pakistan like the terrorist? During normal peace times and under democracy India has never crossed the International border to specifically target “Pakistani” civilians. Let us recognize who our real enemies are? Recommend

  • Dec 19, 2011 - 10:57PM

    @Blunt!:

    Theory + practical of Jihad is part of our faith. And we, Pakistanis, are not ashamed of it.
    Rather to be ready for WAR all the time is our pride and sacred duty……..Recommend

  • Javed
    Dec 20, 2011 - 1:09AM

    @Tariq Qureshi:
    What???

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  • Raja Islam
    Dec 20, 2011 - 1:28AM

    People like this guy should be in jail. They are misleading Pakistanis and are taking them down the road to self destruction.

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  • Paki-Australian
    Dec 20, 2011 - 1:29AM

    JAHAALAT peaking!!

    To exercise influence and to appear ‘important’, illiterate yet innocent Pakistanis are lured by these terrorist organizations in the name of Islam(it’s fight Jihad) and in the name of the country.

    I wonder why this guy is not behind bars if his organization is classified as rogue?

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  • Raja Islam
    Dec 20, 2011 - 1:30AM

    @omar:
    Inciting people to war and committing acts of terror cannot be termed freedom of speech.

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  • Raja Islam
    Dec 20, 2011 - 1:32AM

    @Tariq Qureshi:
    There is a difference between being invaded and being invaders. In this case it is instigating people to become invaders.

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  • G. Din
    Dec 20, 2011 - 1:52AM

    @Hammad:
    “Fourth times the charm. Btw I’m not advocating an immediate military solution. I’m just saying that if in five to ten years we get nothing out of the talks, a military solution may be the only solution to the problem.”
    The invitation is there. Try it the fourth, fifth, umpteenth time. Go ahead! Personally, I do wish very very much that you tried without making these promises of “the next time”!
    If you want to wait another decade or century, that too, is no problem!
    “For this reason, groups like JuD are so important for any hope of success. They have the ability to rally millions to war in the name of religion in a very shot time frame and almost no cost. They arm themselves, feed themselves, pay themselves and are happy to do it as long as we leave them be.”
    You might want to consider this: In modern warfare, all it will take is depressing a red button with one’s chewed-up end of a pencil and poof, a million men, armed to their teeth are vapourized. We are not Americans who feel guilty about such things!Recommend

  • Mubarik
    Dec 20, 2011 - 2:04AM

    “Diffa-i-Pakistan jihad-i-fi sabilillah se hoga”, What these mullahs are actually saying that Diffa Pakistan Jihad-I-Fi Sabilillah se hoga. Diffa is a Punjabi word which means you want some body to get lost. Surely if Mullahs are let loose like this then some time soon Pakistan Diffa ho jai gaa.

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  • M
    Dec 20, 2011 - 2:13AM

    @Soho:
    Don’t worry about this old geezer. US is just trying to decide who should be taken out first. Saeed or Al Zawahiri

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  • M
    Dec 20, 2011 - 2:17AM

    @Usman:
    Don’t worry about Indian extremist outfits. They are rank amateurs compared to yours and are all talk/ no action. Recommend

  • Max
    Dec 20, 2011 - 2:23AM

    If there is anyone who has distorted the image of Pakistan, it is this guy and I mean it.

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  • rk from NY
    Dec 20, 2011 - 5:06AM

    USA india russia all are legitimate nations ..they actually have a real purpose…no body need to attack this wasteland…pak will self destruct pretty soon..

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  • SaudiRules
    Dec 20, 2011 - 6:15AM

    Where are drones when we need them? Couldn’t a few drones have a malfunctioning GPS and hit the rally by accident?

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  • vivek ruparel
    Dec 20, 2011 - 1:15PM

    @Munir Ahmad Saeed:
    Read d UNCIP resolution It states clearly Pakistan must vacate first. U scream abt UN all d tym then follow it first. Also get back d land u sold off 2 China in 60′s and ask ur new Sugar daddy in Beijing to vacate the region they illegally occupy in J&K. Then come and lecture us.

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  • narayana murthy
    Dec 20, 2011 - 1:44PM

    @Shahnawaz kashmiri

    Well Kashmiri, I doubt that you are from Indian kashmir.

    However, you are welcome to go to your beloved Pakistan.

    Just that, you won’t get OUR land back.

    Muslims are outsiders, just like Zorostrians and Jews. We’ll make them feel at home just like how we welcomed Jews and Zorostrians. They are welcome to live in India as Indians.

    However, being outsiders, if you wish to take our land…come on…that will not even materialize in your wildest dreams!

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  • Paaki
    Dec 20, 2011 - 3:11PM

    whatever u do we r wid u HAFIZ Sahab…… for the sake of pakistan

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  • Abdullah Khan
    Dec 20, 2011 - 10:36PM

    I am surprised that learned commentators are not ready to accept the right of Hafiz Saeed to express his point of view. People oppsoing his views are available only on commnets pages of wesbites. But ground reality is that Hafiz Saeed and his JuD enjoys heavy public support in Pakistan. JuD has deep roots in Pakistani soeity. It has the ability to walk along with mainstream political parties.
    It would not be wrong to say that he reflects majority’s sentiments. He gathered more than one hundreds thousand people at Minar-e-Pakistan. Those who oppose his point of view in Pakistan are not able to gather even ten thousand people to support their point of view. On same day (18th December) Pakistan Peoples Party and All Pakistan Muslim League (Musharraf’s political party) organized public rallies but both parties failed to attract more than two thousand people (combine figure of both separate rallies).

    Instead of crticizing Hafiz Saeed and likes we need to accept them as a reality and talk to them to alter their world view (If we think he needs to change). Lets have a positive approach. US is forced to talk to Taliban after ten years of War…So why dont we start dialogue with right wing extremists of our country.

    There was a time when Jamat-e-Islami was too strict in its approach but when it started to work with other political parties it has now become relatively moderate religious party. JuD too can follow same path of moderation if we start to accept it as a ligitimate part of our society

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  • rehmat
    Dec 20, 2011 - 10:45PM

    Then Pak government claims that there is no proof against Hafiz Saeed though he holds public jalsas where he preaches hate against India. Also aparently he only heads a charity – nothing to do with LeT. Who is Pakistan fooling?

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  • Muhammad Arsalan
    Dec 21, 2011 - 3:27AM

    @ Above;
    I am not surprised to read all the comments cuz it is these pseudo patriots who just to sound liberal undermine jihad! These jihadis are the last ray of hope and i am confident only they are going to guard Pakistan in case pak is invaded… Today USA kneels to Taliban….. y? INDIA AMERICA ISRAEL ka aik elaj AL JIHAD AL JIHAD!!

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  • Spud
    Dec 21, 2011 - 5:35AM

    @Usman: There are millions of Muslims living in India and they do not want to leave to go live in Pakistan. What does that tell the world is that they are quite happy in India which means that neither Shiv-sena or any other group is creating unlivable situation for them. Also any Indian organisation is causing trouble of the type Saeed wants to cause in India. If Pakistan really wants good relations with India it should stop exporting trouble and put behind bars such murderers as Saeed behind bars and throw the keys away. Then and only then will peace prevail and prosperity will come to Pakistan.

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  • Spud
    Dec 21, 2011 - 5:47AM

    @Tariq Qureshi: Get a life you idiot. Why would Zionists (read Israel) be aginst Pakistan? No real answer for this is to deflect the criticism that Pakistan is a failed state on any criteria such as economy, education, status of women. Concentrate on these internal matters rather than trying to blame others for your real problems.

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  • Soho
    Dec 21, 2011 - 9:19AM

    @Adil Bashir:
    You think he cares?

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  • vasan
    Dec 21, 2011 - 9:37AM

    Spud : Just to add to your post, whatever Hindu population is left in Pakistan, they want to migrate to India. There is a already a bunch of people in Delhi who came from Pakistan, overstayed their visa and raising noise to allow them to stay back in India. I agree with you regarding muslim population of India, Some of them may want to leave India but not to Pakistan . That is for economic reasons, I guess.

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  • MyHeartSpeaks
    Dec 21, 2011 - 2:17PM

    That’s misinterpretation of statement of Hafiz Saeed by ET. The headline should read like this “Hafiz Saeed vows jihad against India in case of any attack from India”. Nowhere he said it will continue. Can anyone explain me how these remarks are offensive? How would you react if someone attacks you?? Oh yess,!! I think we got used to of ‘no-retiliation’ policy by our Army in reaction to the violations by NATO forces into our land in past years. And, we want common people to react the same way. NO RETALIATION POLICY. Sad, though….Recommend

  • omar
    Dec 21, 2011 - 9:37PM

    @MarkH:
    US supports Israel. Isreal recently threatened Iran of bombing its nuclear plants. ARE THESE NOT TERRORIST THREATS??

    BUSH CALLED MUSHRAFF IN 2001 AND SAID THAT: U R WITH US OR AGAINST US, IF U R AGAINST US, WE WILL BOMB U BACK TO THE STONE AGE!!

    ARE THESE NOT TERRORIST THREATS??

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  • Dec 22, 2011 - 12:29AM

    Though it’s hard for liars and bigoted hypocrites to do, maybe it’s time for them to drop their charity organization lie considering their hate politics. It’s a bit despicable.

    These xenophobic guys aren’t just a threat to India and internationally, they’re a threat domestically to Pakistan, and those that are defending their ‘freedom of speech’ may want to rethink their sympathetic association with fascist anti-Pakistani Kharjite militants and terrorists.

    They’re going to target shops that sell Indian goods. Anti-business and sabotaging the Pakistan economy through violence. They’ve sent young men to their deaths for terrorist and militant activities as admitted by their maulana. Wasted young Pakistani lives that could have had a peaceful future building the country instead (this is where freedom of speech probably should have stopped and a public arrest made instead…but it’s Pak).

    Sipah-e-Sahaba were in their crowd, which implies anti-Shia Pakistani sectarian terrorists, racists and bigots among them, indeed confirmed religious intolerance and bigotry after all the anti-Ahmadi Pakistanis talk used as a smear against Mansoor Ijaz with extreme prejudice. No one likes the Memo-gate scandal, but there’s a difference between how a hateful lunatic conspiracist bigot discusses it as compared to how unbiased rational people discuss it.

    Of course, not surprisingly the anti-semitic Zionist fantasy of taking our nukes…which probably might end up as a self-fulfilling prophecy now considering these local criminals want to overthrow our institutions and insert their extremist Wahhabi/Salafi/Deoband ideologies.

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  • Dec 22, 2011 - 12:37AM

    Why doesn’t the establishment arrest them?

    Maybe it has something to do with the establishment’s former ministers Ijaz-ul-Haq and Sheikh Rasheed Ahmed being there. Can we honestly say it’s only a few people who support such thinking? Even if it’s ‘few’, certainly dangerously powerful few at the top…

    Nice touch by ex-ISI chief Hamid Gul, the Kharjite Taliban lover and traitor, who basically wants to rid us of civilian rule elections and install an Islamic revolution, not the peaceful one that we know from Rasool (SAW), no, but the fascist militant Wahhabi/Salafi/Deoband theocracy one. Recommend

  • basharat
    Dec 22, 2011 - 6:27AM

    Peaceful relations between India and Pakistan will be beneficial for the people both countries.
    The so called jihadi outfits are enemies of humanity, they must be discouraged to the extent of their elimination. Such groups have caused an unfathomable harm towards security and peace in the country. Sooner the people become aware of their real designs so is better. The country, which had every potential to become a heaven like abode, the groups operating in the names of religion, have made it unsafe for its peace loving people, as it is now.

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  • jagjit sidhoo
    Dec 22, 2011 - 8:43AM

    @Hammad:If India were to let Kashmir, which is part of India , go just because it is muslim majority does it mean that muslims in the rest of the country would officialy be second class citizens ? That is not something which is not acceptable because we were FOUNDED AS A SECULAR country so my suggestion is still make the borders irrelavnt in that we allow free travel and trade and do not get involved in each others sovereignty . Military solutions have not worked in the last 64yrs and i do not see them working in the next 64yrs . No point hitting ones head against a wall think of something new.

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  • saccha iman
    Dec 29, 2011 - 2:15AM

    Thanks to the great God that India gott rid of these at the time of the partition.
    As far as Shiv Sena or RSS is concerned, let me tell you that they are not against Islam. Like other Hindus they are against people like Hafiz saeed those who circulate wrong interpretations of Islam and Quran ! They are great guys. Because of Shiv sena in
    Mumbai the great Dawaood Ibrahim had to pack his bags and run away.Recommend

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