Obama not to issue formal apology to Pakistan: NYT
However, the State Department officials feel that there is a need for such an apology to mend the straining relationship between the two countries, according to the report.
The report stated that US Ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter, through a video conference, told White House officials that the anti-American sentiment has reached its peak in Pakistan stressing the need for a formal apology by the US. But the White House argued that condolences offered by senior US officials and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were enough till the US completes its investigations into the matter, the report said.
“The US government has offered its deepest condolences for the loss of life, from the White House and from Secretary Clinton and Secretary Panetta,” said Tommy Vietor, spokesman for the National Security Council, referring to Defense Secretary Leon E Panetta, “and we are conducting an investigation into the incident. We cannot offer additional comment on the circumstances of the incident until we have the results.”
Pakistan has strongly responded to the attack on the Pakistani checkposts by cutting off Nato supplies to Afghanistan through Pakistan and refusing to attend the Bonn conference in Germany. The Pakistani government has also demanded for the Shamsi airbase – being used for the drone strikes – to be shut down.
The Pakistan Army said that the attack was unprovoked and was a 'deliberate act of action', while in a recent statement, top US military officer General Martin Dempsey denied the allegations.
Nato helicopters and fighter jets attacked two military border posts in northwest Pakistan on Saturday in the worst incident of its kind since Islamabad allied itself with Washington in 2001 in the war on militancy.
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@AN: While soldiers do die in the line of duty and it is an extremely unfortunate that it happens. However this is not a normal circumstance, since the attackers were allies and so far so credible reason has been out forward.
That's nothing west is just selling India 3rd rare weapons giving you some praise and Indians are always eager to work for American , remember how they worked with British during colonial times
6 Pakistan on visit to USA where going to be frisked they refused to be frisked and instead they rejected such shame and got next plane home as america apologised @Faisal: whilst Indian president had no shame and was frisked
This is the difference between Pakistanis and Indians
And btw us ambassador has apologised the incident with the Indian president the apology came from the home land security not te white house Now it facts
@Investorpedia:
Wake up man!!!
Listen Up!! . . . The War on terror is a Globolist fasade and is designed to oppress people and rob countries of their wealth. Unfortunately, the Pakistani leadership has previously demonstrated their support of the Global war on Terror fasade where only the corrupt leadership gets richer through backdoor payoffs. There is still a chance to slam the door on this Gonocidal Crime of Humanity!
O.K. so you would not publish my original comments because I suggested that this happened because of Pakistani internal policy. Maybe you will have the nerve (but I doubt it) to print this one. Read this and weep: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45520030/ns/worldnews-southandcentralasia/#.TtjDqrIr2dA
Yeah, it was caused by the incompetent military leadership of your own army. They did not even know where your own troops were encamped!! You won't publish this I know. The truth hurts.
Dear Truth Seeker, There are certain rules of engagement for the Army and Air Force. The official status of US and NATO is that of Allies and you can not retaliate to a fraternal fire - a phenomenon which occurs frequently when allies operate together - just in case it was due to mistaken identity. In the present scenario, however, Pakistan Army has ordered its units to return fire from now on. It is a positive development. And if you are a Pakistani, please be reminded that Army itself is passing through a critical time and its time to back the Army rather than to ask depressing questions. In case you are not a Pakistani, please mind your own business.
@Akthar: You must be kidding!
But but obama won the Nobel peace prize...
Wow, just wow. People here are so hypocritical. They want the US to apologize, but give no thought to the fact that Pakistan is yet to apologize to Bangladesh after what happened in 1971.
This is a very good job done by Obama, and I wish he never does now, because the killer ramond is more important than 24 lives.. So this will help us to think in the same way for USA. Our criminals are more important than USA.....
Second this will help us to compel our government to isolate our selves from war. This Is your war. Fight in your own way, there is no road in Pakistan which leads to afghanistan. so USA must find ways to supplies.
US President is hypocrite.
Should apologise
@Faisal: "Former President of India, Abdul Kalam Azad" fyi: His name was Dr. Abdul Kalam. No Azad at the end of his name. You are confusing him with Maulana Abul Kalam Azad who was a senior Congress leader and opposed Jinnah's idea of partition. He was a minister in independent India for many years in the 1940s and 1950s
Apology ,always for mistake, mistake has been made deliberately or by chance,it has two sorts, now have to see what really happened,deliberately or by chance.
What says eyewitnesses in this matter, who were witnesses?army soldiers and officers, as for as footage is concerned it must be take as documentary evidence, in this way footage has very importance.
What is revealed by the footage? exposition comes before the world is that helicopters came and shelling and subsequently smoke and flames were seen rising to the sky leaving behind 24 dead bodies.
Nato knew all about through ground maps,so it has been done deliberately, incident was extremely objectionable, under the existing circumstances United States must say Sorry to the government and the people of Pakistan.
No one is Pak is expecting a formal apology or similar non-sense.
@Investorpedia: HAHAHAHA you really think Pakistan, or China for that matter even has a chance against the U.S? I'm Canadian and if you want a war with the U.S you're going to bring war to this whole continent. If you go to war with the U.S, you have all of the U.N to worry about. All of the developed nations will swarm on the third world like flies on open food (I think that's an analogy that you'll understand). Pakistan isn't a permanent U.N member, whereas the U.S, China, Russia, Brazil etc.. are. Just accept the apology that Hilary Clinton gave you and go back to your life. The loss of life is horrible, but not as horrible it would be to lose half of your countries popular over foolish pride.
@Investorpedia: Hehehe... don't making me laugh. Pakistan and China v/s the Rest of the World? You wouldn't last a week.
Don't worry my Pakistani brothers, we Indians are with you!!! We love you guys and are there for you whenever you need us. Hindu-Muslim bhai bhai!!!
The attitude has just exposed an arrogant country with no remorse for the hurt she incurs on other Nations. As if everything can be bought by "AID".......how repulsive!
now india and pak have one more thing in common - they can both comemorate 26/11 together !
"Yes Master", "No problem Master", "As you wish Master", "25 dead???, Dont you worry Master, we will take care of it Master". "You just keep your soft hand on us Master", "All in control Master", "Pakki ppl are barking dogs which never bite Master. Please have a good night sleep Master".........."All is good Master"
Some of the responses from Pakki leadership to their Aaka. Umreeka. All is drama. Why dont you ppl seems to get it by now????
At the time of 9/11, US had not waited for the conclusion of Investigation and they just started war over there. Now they want to wait for investigation. What a double standard. We just need to pull out of the war and should demand those responsible for NATO's terrorist attack at Mohmand Agency. The lives of 24 pakistani soldiers are as precious as the life of American Citizen. US and NATO are suffering badly in Afghanistan and our non cooperation will make their life a hell! So we need to step up and give them shut-up call...
The American government fail to learn from the past history of glory. Many great nation rises and perish within no time. You are showing your strenght, power, hegemony attitude and Imperialism. One thing is sure that your present inhouse problems increasing day by day and these are the first sign of destruction. Mother nature knocking at the the door and 31.12.2012 is not very far. So, stop killing innocent people around the world, be humble and respect Human Dignity, otherwise OO LALA O' LALA BHUMMMMMMMM!
Let's face it, we Pakistanis are weak. And look at the Europe of the 1930's and 1940's. Weakness invites aggression. Jews were annihilated because they were weak, and those crazy turbaned people in our northern areas have been trying to beat the Super Power but in the process killing 40,000 of our own people. We are weak and our leaders have been trying for over 10 years to appease. About time our generals came out of this state of denial. We are too poor to be their friends. If you are familiar with the early 20th century Europe's history, you will know we what I mean. We can't win militarily. But there is a way to win. The Jewish way. Education, focus on competence, hard work and unity. And today they are so strong. We are so poor, and we expect President Obama to offer condolences? Knowing very well he is so arrogant he makes Dick Cheney look like Jesus Christ and George Bush like an angel!
No need for an apology rather it will create further problems for Pakistan by continuing her engagements in war on terror. Now we clearly understand what america wants and all objectives, We really have to choose between Evil and Good and stay away from so-called friends.
If a war is imposed , at-least we are capable to defeat NATO forces who already not succeeded a battle for Ten years against scores of Taliban.
Pentagon must review its stance and should respect to what ordinary Americans wants who voted for Obama for a change in Bush's war policies.
Pakistan Zindabaad
26/11. Loss of previous lives.Murder.Not respecting soveirnity. Remember Mumbai. See how it hurts.
@Bill:
You can even include New York city, no body going to oppose you :)
@bp kargil n Kashmir part of Pakistan.
We don't need obama apology because he is serving fir Israil when they allow him he will do this is time to say good bye America forever
I am sure, this the act of Indian cocas in Senate, RAW / MO SAD/ CIA
Go to international court and try Obama as a war criminal for the murder of innocent people in FATA. Only then this lap god of Zionists will apologize.
frustrated americans !!!!
Answer 1 question...if Pakistan had (by mistake) done somthing like this, as in infiltrated US borders and killed even a couple of soldiers, the united States of America would rage war against us, allies or no allies...no appology wouldve been accepted...ITS TIME to take a stand, its time to say no to america's war against terror...We are a nuclear nation, America knows that VERY WELL...they might be a super power (at the moment), and we might be a poor, third world country, BUT the American government can not even think of treating us like Iraq or Afghanistan.... Sadly we dont have a government which gives importance to our sovereinity, the day we do, Pakistan can become a very big threat (in a good way) for every developed country in the world...
Might is right, might is white, might is magic converted killer into innocent. Now see more,never do more, death is better than slavery.
League of nation,now appeared in new fashion, support those have in hand rose.
Arab states this time no debate, hard target Iran,but before Pakistan. the day of judgment on, wait after conference,BONN.
@Hu Jintao:
The "constant conflicts" you say the U.S. needs to "keep its economy running" are actually ruining it. We Americans do not want to be paying for these wars with Chinese money. This is why we are getting out of Iraq as fast as we can. The military industrial corporations are making plenty of money on war machines we do not even use like the F22. Building schools and hospitals instead of bombs is what makes our economy run. Going to war with Pakistan does not help us in any way; everyone loses.
USA and Israel are much more concerned about crazy Iran having nuclear weapons.
Wrong expectations, they have killed thousands unarmed around the world knowingly and have not apologised, why would they apologise for killing army personnel. Ego gets hurt
Obama is waiting for the outcome of the investigation, primarily because the White House believes the NATO forces version of events that firing first came from the Pakistani post. If the evidence bears this out during the investigation, then the US will find the NATO forces action justifiable. If that doesn't, they can issue an apology. It makes sense in this context for Obama to await the outcome of the investigation.
How about condolences, we are fighting war in which americans died. today america is not concern on the deaths of pakistani people, i ask you is america with us or on its own @Concerned American:
pakistanis should take the blood money and close the affair as they are usually wont to.
Mr. Obama even did not apologies to American Nation for ruining their dream of CHANGE. he is tiny part of worlds largest conspiricy.
Why would someone who gave permission to attack these apologize?? As it is he is an ARROGANT & A LIAR
the loss of so many innocent life requires genuine regret and repentence. but why should we expect morality and ethics from most undemocratic country??? we all have to pay price for siding with the evil american force.today its turn of pakistan to pay back tomorrow it will be ours!!!!!
@Concerned American: Obama is a puppet whose strings are pulled by pentagon and military industrial corporations who want to make a war with Pakistan. United States needs a constant conflict to keep its economy running
If you want to go further deep. Israel Zionists wants USA to neutralize Pakistani nuclear weapons
it doesn't matter. Words of these brutal murderers mean nothing to us.
Dear PAK brothers, I have come to say that Americans are stuck in Afghanistan. due to this, they want to take help of Pakistan. on the other hand they cross the line with Pakistan,but...........................
Your apology even if it comes doesnt mean a thing to us Obama. We should throw a missile at one of your bases in afghanistan and then say oops - we'll investigate but we regret but do not apologize. americas time is over and they know it - its Asia's century. Now go feed your starving millions with money borrowed from China! LOLS
We want who were hiding OBL in Palkistan.
Based on the stories they will concoct in the US investigation.. Obama has been instructed NOT to say sorry.. shrug Well his apology won't change anything done, and we won't accept any apology.. you can't just kill at will and then apologize for it later.. America, the land of democracy and justice, understands this above all.. they want this war to continue senselessly and are making any excuse to stay in the region for on their 'strategic' interests..
Dear ISI don’t wait for apology, strike back in your favorite style and get 48 against 24 as usual. I am sure you will !!! Rab Rakha
who cares!!
@Investorpedia:
support? its order
Shouldn't army and air force apologise to Pakistanis for failing to fufil their obligations to the public of Pakistan on May 2 and Nov 26. Only then Obama will be obliged to apologise to Pakistan.
Hussain Haqanni played a role in Raymond Davis release. Now the Memo. Time to start hanging these puppets before blaming the Americans.
Obama have to apology now or in near future, world will see
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-12-01/u-k-expels-iranian-diplomats-as-tehran-faces-growing-isolation.html
England expels the IRanian abassader while no one got killed.....get all Americans out of PAkistan would be a good respons...
we need to ask our all weather friend to do something...
did pakistan apologise for kargil?
@zalim
ok. Honour no problem. What about money then…
Respected and Honourable people never talk of MONEY!!
Just apologize and leave Mr.Hope.
With all the lambasting of the USA, I hope that your establishment listens to its non-actors. Sorry, its people.
Former President of India, Abdul Kalam Azad was frisked at the New York airport, US immediately issued a public apology to India...24 Pakistani servicemen killed by US lead NATO forces, and not even an acceptance of any wrong doing by US...that is the difference between the status of India and Pakistan.
Mr Prez. one of the Shuada was a jewish kid from brooklyn. Would you pls apologize now?
@For all who think China IS the new superpower-
You guys are totally blinded by constant media propoganda about China rising. Its true, China is making its presence felt like never before & is poised to overtake the US as the biggest economy by 2050. BUT, the US is still the DADDY, it still commands half of the world affairs simply because its the world's MOST POWERFUL DEMOCRACY. Almost, all the European nations are silent partners to it if not puppets.
So comments like "the war with US is on", "Pakistan has China's backing" are only good until they are on paper.
Thanks!
One of the officers who died during that fateful day of attack left behind a 3 months old daughter.No apology can bring her father back,so it does not matter for her if someone apologises or not
America will apologise later on, but they are keeping us on to the apology. Instead of punishing the culprits who made this hinious crime. In the end they will just say we are sorry and we will all cool down.
Lets quit this so called war on terror,our country is already on the brink of collapse due this,live with honour and pride, don't humiliate your motherland and the nation,because when honour is lost every thing is lost.
Killing the whole unit in Pakistan and still President Obama thinks that he won't apology.We don't want apology and thanks for not doing it so.Mr President! In Raymond Davis case you simply for his rescue did everything ,you have turned the world upside down to bring him back to USA and yes you succeeded.In my opinion its the right for COAS ARMY to cut all relations with USA and treat them like they treat you.
We don't need your apology anyways. We want those NATO soldiers.
"“The US government has offered its deepest condolences for the loss of life, from the White House and from Secretary Clinton and Secretary..."
The US government and the WHITE HOUSE include secretaries (ministors) as well as the prsident (Obama). Why Pakistanis are asking a personal condolence from Obama?? Did he kill the 24 soldiers HIMSELF?
As the president of US (white house) he as presented deepest condolenses.
END OF THE STORY.
I really hope this does not escalate further. Those responsible should be held accountable.. that being said the United States is not the only country in NATO. If Obama is anything he is careful with his words, If the US is not responsible then an apology would not be appropriate, that would be accepting fault where it wasn't due. Please be confident he does not want to make an enemy out of pakistan, the motive is not there. Without the steady supply lines through Pakistan we cannot continue to supply our troops in Afghanistan. For what its worth we are all troubled and concerned that such a tragedy has happened. Please be patient while we investigate further into what has happened.
God I never thought I would say this but in the eyes of the international community we are worse of then the Iranians. Despite being an ally of US for the past 11 years, we get treated so condescendingly and Americans treats us like their personal slaves. Whereas the Iranians have been heaping curses and hostilities upon the US for the past 30 years, and only seem to be getting stronger. Note to US: the Iranians just ran down the UK embassy lets see how you can go over the border and kill 24 Iranians soldiers and get away with it.
The need of the hour is that the truth be told and facts established. Apologies are for public sentiment consumption.
Issuing a statement? What good would it serve? Its all diplomatic crap. How about "eye for an eye" from our FO?
Doesn't matter Obama issues formal apology letter or not but keep it in your mind firmly that now USA shall face the music and shall pay the price of its brutalities and cruelties because now time has changed and every country has risen up to protect its territories,borders,sovereignty,self-defense,self-respect and self-reliance and USA was forgotten it that there are some limits of usage of power but in the addiction of power and authority US' officials were forgotten that we had to respect the other countries' sovereignty.
To be honest, we don't need their apology. they can shove it in the dark hole. what we need is them packing their bags and leave this region sooner
ok. Honour no problem. What about money then...
The life of a Pakistani is not less than a life of an American. All are equal.Whether there comes an appology or not from US President,no more should be done by PAK.We already loss so many lives of innocent Pakistanis and soldiers as well on this War.
I can see, Raymond Davis is laughing.
Arrogance...........
Powerful people dont apologize.power flows from the barrel of the gun! Besides, no point a ant trying to fight a elephant. US is only superpower. Respect it. There may be more than crumbs this time around. Also, People in Armies are proffessional soldiers and and will die in wars. So why so much hysteria? Pak solders are not different from the US and Nato solders who also die every other day.
wat are our masters in beijing telling us now to do? did someone called the hot line?
Like a formal apology can bring back lives.
Mark my words, America will never apologize for this.
How can He do so?? Has anyone ever heard about someone putting up and apology or an excuse to His / Her slave!!
A correct decision.
the war is on !!