NATO attack: Dempsey questions logic of Pakistani accusations

Published: December 1, 2011

General Martin Dempsey says they have no reason to attack Pakistani check post. PHOTO: REUTERS/FILE

ISLAMABAD/WASHINGTON: The top US military officer on Wednesday denied allegations by a senior army official in Islamabad that a Nato attack that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers was a deliberate act of aggression.

Islamabad has reacted angrily to the attack last weekend, which threatens to set back peace efforts in Afghanistan, by pulling out of an international conference in Germany next week on Afghanistan’s future. It stood by its decision on Wednesday despite German hopes to the contrary.

Nato helicopters and fighter jets attacked two military border posts in northwest Pakistan on Saturday in the worst incident of its kind since Islamabad allied itself with Washington in 2001 in the war on militancy.

In comments carried in local newspapers on Wednesday that characterised the attack as blatant aggression, Major General Ishfaq Nadeem, Pakistan’s director general of military operations, said Nato forces were alerted they were attacking Pakistani posts but helicopters kept firing.

“Detailed information of the posts was already with ISAF (International Security Assistance Force), including map references, and it was impossible that they did not know these to be our posts,” news agencies quoted Nadeem as saying at an editors’ briefing at army headquarters on Tuesday.

But General Martin Dempsey, chairman of the US military’s Joint Chiefs of Staff, told Reuters in an interview, “The one thing I will say publicly and categorically is that this was not a deliberate attack.”

Speaking as he flew back to Washington after a trip to London, Dempsey said he was trying to discuss the incident with Pakistan behind closed doors.

“Candidly we don’t want to try to resolve this issue through the media. No offense,” he said.

Dempsey declined to discuss details of the US military’s review into the incident, but asked, “What in the world would we gain by attacking a Pakistan border post?”

Nadeem said the Nato helicopters appeared near the post around 15 to 20 minutes past midnight, opened fire, then left about 45 minutes later. They reappeared at 1:15 a.m. local time and attacked again for another hour, he said.

Dempsey said the military was pouring over its own data from the incident.

“We’re in the process of reviewing radio traffic, gun tapes, all of the things that an investigation has to consider before I can really make any statement about the duration,” Dempsey said.

“But I can say, categorically, it was not a deliberate attack.”

(Read: Pakistan strike probe report due next month: US)

Reinvigorated military

The Nato attack shifted attention away from Pakistan’s widely questioned performance against militants who cross its border to attack US and other Nato forces in Afghanistan, and has given the military a chance to reassert itself.

Islamabad’s decision to boycott next week’s meeting in Bonn will deprive the talks of a key player that could nudge Taliban militants into a peace process as Nato combat troops prepare to leave Afghanistan by the end of 2014.

In Berlin, Foreign Ministry spokesman Andreas Peschke said Pakistan had not yet formally withdrawn and that Islamabad had “a big interest” in the meeting being a success. Within minutes, a Foreign Ministry official in Islamabad told Reuters that Tuesday’s decision was “the final word.”

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said earlier on Wednesday she regretted Pakistan’s decision hoped to secure Islamabad’s cooperation in future.

The army, which has ruled Pakistan for more than half of its history and sets security and foreign policy, faced strong criticism from both the Pakistani public and its ally, the United States, after the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.

The al Qaeda leader had apparently been living in a Pakistani garrison town for years before US special forces found and killed him in a unilateral raid in May.

Pakistanis criticised the military for failing to protect their sovereignty, and angry US officials wondered whether some members of military intelligence had sheltered him. Pakistan’s government and military said they had no idea Bin Laden was in the country.

The army seems to have regained its confidence, and won the support of the public and the government in a country where anti-American sentiment often runs high.

More than 1,000 Pakistani religious students protested in Lahore city, yelling, “Death to Nato” and “Death to America.”

“If Nato and America do something like this again, we are going to turn Pakistan into their graveyard,” said 23-year-old university student Zahoor Ahmad.

In the financial hub Karachi, women and children were among about 2,000 protesters. “The government should end all relations with the United States,” said Khadija Subzwari, a mother of four. In Multan, protesters burned an effigy of US President Barack Obama and an American flag.

Nato hopes an investigation it promised will defuse the crisis and that confidence-building measures can repair ties.

But the military is firmly focused on Nato, and analysts say it is likely to take advantage of the widespread anger to press its interests in any future peace talks on Afghanistan.

(Read: NATO, ISAF carried out attack on purpose: Pakistan Army)

Reader Comments (89)

  • Mohammad Ali Siddiqui
    Dec 1, 2011 - 12:15AM

    How can you say that it was not deliberate?

    The helicopters came in and attacked the check post and killed 24 of our army personnel and left many injured and you are saying that it was not deliberate?

    If it was not deliberate then can you explain as what is “deliberate”?

    You people have too many words to say to prove your innocence but we have proof the show it to the world that it was a deliberate attack on one of the Pakistan Army Check Post.

    Now diplomacy will not work any more. You should admit your fault and pay compensation to the affected families. Despite doing all this, we will not open the route for the NATO supplies and at the same time you have to vacate the Shamshi Airbase.

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  • Babloo
    Dec 1, 2011 - 12:18AM

    If USA did not deliberately attack, then the question is why not ?
    What have they learnt in last 10 years ? Anything ?

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  • Pakistani
    Dec 1, 2011 - 12:20AM

    I think that yesterday’s DGMO press statement on mohmand attack…that it was a deliberate, well calculated, intentional act of aggression by NATO against the Pakistani post was a little too early.I think he should have waited till the finding of the NATO was announced.This was the same kind of mistake which Adm.Mullen made when he without any direct evidence said that ‘Haqqani network was a veritable arm of the ISI’.

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  • ExPat
    Dec 1, 2011 - 12:26AM

    Lets kill 24 of US Army personal and call it “not a deliberate attack” and see how they react. We are a country who is formed based on religion and our constitutions says that Allah is the supreme power of the state. So that means we have all right to take 24 of their life until unless the family members of the deceased Pak soldiers spare their lives.

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  • Hedgefunder
    Dec 1, 2011 - 12:27AM

    Pakistan will succeed and rise. Best of luck to my Pakistani brothers and friends!!!

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  • Peace
    Dec 1, 2011 - 12:30AM

    Though we did it but we did not do it. American General.

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  • Saad
    Dec 1, 2011 - 12:34AM

    Lies, lies and more lies !

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  • Dec 1, 2011 - 12:59AM

    they are lier.

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  • American
    Dec 1, 2011 - 1:07AM

    @Mohammad Ali Siddiqui: do you really not understand how shooting someone may not be deliberate? Have you ever heard of the concept of “friendly fire?” Google Pat Tillman and you might learn something about it.

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  • Lady Gaga
    Dec 1, 2011 - 1:16AM

    At least the American are carrying out an investigation which they will make public and share with the world Recommend

  • Sweet
    Dec 1, 2011 - 1:17AM

    The helicopters “returned” later, after being retreated, and shot and killed Pakistani soldiers and attacked the posts again. They did not even stop while being informed, they returned and attacked again. What do you want us to call it? a mistake? You are so innocent don’t you?

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  • Babloo
    Dec 1, 2011 - 1:20AM

    USA has been advised to take a leaf out of the Raymond Davis chapter.
    Green cards for the familes ( and inlaws ) of the 24 soldiers killed , one-way tickets and everything will be forgiven

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  • Cautious
    Dec 1, 2011 - 1:21AM

    If the USA wanted to deliberately attack Pakistan there would be no ambiguity — your military bases would be destroyed and most of your civilian infrastructure would be disabled. What strategic or tactical goal would the USA achieve by a premeditate attack on a couple of remote outposts — defies any logic.

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  • Amb
    Dec 1, 2011 - 1:29AM

    whatever

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  • Michael_jog
    Dec 1, 2011 - 1:54AM

    Li remember at the time of Iraq war US said that it was not deliberate but there were wmds which were never found

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  • Mirza
    Dec 1, 2011 - 2:38AM

    The US generals do not lie to their elected govt because that would be against their oath of office and treasion. The good thing is that nobody is denying the incident they only differ in the details. The facts would come out with proofs in only one month. By that time we all should take a chill pill.

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  • F Robinson
    Dec 1, 2011 - 2:40AM

    After monumental Bin Laden deception and fake Pakistani WikiLeaks any news provided by the Pakistani military and Government cannot be believed.Our highly trained US and other NATO forces responded to an unprovoked firing from a Pakistani post on the ill-defined Afghan border. As sad as it is friendly fire is an unfortunate consequences of a war.

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  • SAJJAD SARWAR
    Dec 1, 2011 - 2:42AM

    Who is saying that it was not deliberately, It is now a common routine for American’s to kill the innocent Pakistanis in their home land. Pakistan Helped American to get it out from the war of tourism but Pakistan Itself affected by this Americans war.

    America can’t be a Good friend it is only friend because its profit to create the better relation with Pakistan. We are living in this era as the most developed era but unfortunate ins-spite lot of Awareness and result oriented examples we peoples can’t get any lesson from this.

    American’s always miss use our good relation to kill our peoples in our land. As a Atomic Power Pakistan have week leadership we can’t defend our country as we should. Our leadership always just did a commitment with Americans in favor of Dollars.

    But now this is time to wake up and come against this violence. I think it is last chance for us to defend our self on an international level. If we can’t do this may be we peoples can’t get honor in an international world…..

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  • Arindom
    Dec 1, 2011 - 2:50AM

    this is interesting – was the Pakistani posts assisting a Taliban incursion into Afghanistan? Was it helping a Taliban retreat that the Afghan troops were pursuing?
    I am sure there are more than one side to this story….

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  • Observer
    Dec 1, 2011 - 2:51AM

    @Babloo:

    “If USA did not deliberately attack, then the question is why not ?”

    Very likely, Pakistani troops were giving covering fire to the ISI sponsored Afghan Taliban who were attacking the Nato forces.

    What have they learnt in last 10 years ? Anything ?

    Nato forces and the Americans have learned about the duplicity and double-games played by the Pakistani army/ISI and have learned that they can’t be trusted.

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  • Javad
    Dec 1, 2011 - 2:59AM

    Now are the americans lying deliberately.

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  • DB
    Dec 1, 2011 - 3:04AM

    @F Robinson:
    Your highly trained US forces have been unable to win in Iraq and Afghanistan. Your highly trained US forces have an unbeaten record of killing civilians, allied soldiers, local police and even your own soldiers at the hands of pilots and drone operators hoped up on amphetamine and bravado.

    Deception is the name of the game for all of your wars.

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  • DB
    Dec 1, 2011 - 3:07AM

    @Cautious:
    Frustrated and murderous US forces have been known to go rouge while top leadership encourages it or looks the other way. Abu Ghraib, US kill teams, Haditha plus countless attacks on civilians are the results of engaging in illegal wars.

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  • on to pmln
    Dec 1, 2011 - 3:08AM

    @F Robinson: After Iraq, how anyone can believe US high command is beyond me. And with all their technology, they could not determine that the said location was a Pakistani checkpost even though those locations had been provided to them, they did not pay heed to messages from Pakistani side and continued to attack for over two hours. How all that happened by ‘mistake’ is also beyond me.

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  • Menon
    Dec 1, 2011 - 3:20AM

    @Mohammad Ali Siddiqui:

    Your argument is based on your lying, cheating and highly corrupt military and civilian leaders. They have proven their deceptive, two-faced lying ways to the world numerous times. These are the same people who did not know OBL was hiding next to the prestigious military academy.

    You don’t really believe anyone in the world in their right mind is going to trust your leaders, do you?

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  • SM
    Dec 1, 2011 - 3:26AM

    Dempsey, when has the US ever said it was wrong?

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  • Aamir
    Dec 1, 2011 - 3:28AM

    @American

    “friendly fire” we all know that these words are invented by cunning Americans to achieve their sinister goals against us, so shame on you and your fellow Americans who deliberately slaughter innocent human beings and then call it “friendly fire”.

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  • Aamir
    Dec 1, 2011 - 3:30AM

    @ F Robinson

    “The pot calling the kettle black”……lolz.

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  • Hedgefunder
    Dec 1, 2011 - 3:42AM

    Take it or leave it !! you got your answer!!!!
    Subject Closed.

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  • Nadeem
    Dec 1, 2011 - 4:04AM

    Worst thing will be if the gun tapes and wirless transmissions are made public and we find out that Pakistan is lying yet again :( Can’t trust the officials on our side any more :(

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  • Amjad
    Dec 1, 2011 - 4:23AM

    @Babloo: Do you forget that while Pakistan was defeating the Soviets n Afghanistan and ending the Cold War, most Afghanis were busy smuggling themselves into western nations to ask for asylum where they still live on state khayrat called welfare or social assistance. Would you Indians want to do the same?

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  • sohail
    Dec 1, 2011 - 4:32AM

    @Hedgefunder:
    ya surely we will rise but it will take time ,even we have another war with india within 2012-2020 soon then pakistan will rise ..

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  • Usman Syed
    Dec 1, 2011 - 5:33AM

    @American:
    What kind of a friendly fire continues for over two hours, on two seperate check posts in the middle of the night, and does not stop despite repeated pleas by the regional comanders??
    One cannot help but laugh at these kind of naive suggestions. In this age of satellites and GPS, every millimitere is clearly defined, marked and identified, especially when it comes to military operations.
    The American public has been fooled for too long by their leadership and the government alike to justify their aggression against many countries. Go, give us a break and educate yourself.

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  • Ilyad
    Dec 1, 2011 - 5:39AM

    Yeah – right !!!

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  • Singh
    Dec 1, 2011 - 7:14AM

    Wait for more coming in. It is just start of THE show.

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  • Dec 1, 2011 - 8:41AM

    Iraq has WMD. Gaddhafi has chemical weapons. Lies. Lies. More lies.

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  • Hassan
    Dec 1, 2011 - 8:59AM

    @Cautious
    USA is supporting TTP for a long time. USA/Israel don’t want a strong nuclear powered muslim country. These posts were recently setup by Pakistan Army on borders to specifically check the border crossings between the two countries.

    By destroying these posts America is directly supporting TTP and terrorism.

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  • Iron hand
    Dec 1, 2011 - 9:17AM

    You right wingers are the most closed minded people on earth. NATO will wait for the results of the investigation and then act accordingly. If there was intentional misconduct, the authorities will address it, as they did with Abu Ghraib. Don’t forget that US soldiers were the whistle blowers on Abu Ghraib. But you Pakistanis, if the investigation doesn’t support your world view, you will dismiss it, as you dismiss each and every allegation of Pakistani treachery regardless of the evidence. Recommend

  • Raj
    Dec 1, 2011 - 9:41AM

    Pakistan is asking India to provide credible proof of Pakistan’s hand in Mumbai attacks. Here Pakistan should provide a credible proof that NATO’s attach was not unprovoked.

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  • adam
    Dec 1, 2011 - 10:04AM

    next time they sould use anza missiles on the helcopters

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  • Straight Fire
    Dec 1, 2011 - 10:10AM

    After killing a country’s regular army soldiers. The killer has got literally no right to ASK question

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  • Texan
    Dec 1, 2011 - 10:21AM

    @Observer:
    Good Points.
    So then the Pakistanis and Americans cant be bed-mates. Thanks for proving OUR point. Now kindly leave Pakistan without our army’s boots up your behinds.

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  • Hu Jintao
    Dec 1, 2011 - 10:26AM

    @Iron hand:
    you still live in the delusional idealistic world where whatever the USA says is true

    PS : Santa Claus is reality

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  • Chilli
    Dec 1, 2011 - 10:46AM

    With technology and communication system so advanced, and ground data accurate to the millimeters, how can a highly prepared NATO make a mistake??? NATO is fooling Pakistan and the world. We are not living in stone age to believe that it was a friendly fire. Pakistan Army too displayed their weakness by not retaliating aggression.

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  • No Nonsense
    Dec 1, 2011 - 11:01AM

    @F Robinson: True. quite true. Lyndon Johnson started the Vietnam War in response to the attacks by North Vietnamese speedboats on USS Maddox. America declared war on Spain because the latter had torpedoed and sunk the USS Maine. And Osama was killed in a “firefight” as claimed by Mr. Barack Hussein, because he must have seen Osama firing at the US troops. Hooray!

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  • Pundit
    Dec 1, 2011 - 11:03AM

    @Amjad: Yes I would love to seek asylum in US and live on welfare.I am an Indian:)

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  • EmbarassedPak
    Dec 1, 2011 - 11:06AM

    I think we should adopt policy like that of Iran,

    If US attacks us we will destory Israel….

    So we can destroy one country..and that is …..?????

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  • Aditya
    Dec 1, 2011 - 11:22AM

    a very vaild question for pakistanis…what will u.s. and nato gain from deliberately attacking pak post?? they certainly dnt want to leave their air base and get their supplies to the nato from pak shut…so y wud they deliberately do it??? wat is with pakistanis of this ‘we are the best’ and ‘we are right’ mentality…u believe 9/11 was american work, 26/11 was indian work, but every attack on ur country is not a handiwork of ur own people but of indian and americans and israel…

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  • naeem hussain
    Dec 1, 2011 - 11:29AM

    If Pakistan had killed American soldiers then they were going to understand the logic.Recommend

  • Anserali Khan
    Dec 1, 2011 - 11:39AM

    Arrogance

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  • Shahbaz Khan
    Dec 1, 2011 - 11:50AM

    The general,s statement represents everything that is wrong with the current US attitude towards Pakistan. Only a major shift in the US policy towards Pakistan, which is currently extremely hostile and coersive, will cause a positive change in its relations with Pakistan. US needs to unequivocally convey to Pakistan and the rest of the world that it considers Pakistan an ally and back this up with visible change in strategy and concrete reconciliatory action. This unnecessary and gruesome war, started in utmost haste by the short-sighted Bush administration, needs to end. It has brought extreme devastation to the region and has caused serious damage to the US. Hostile attitude towards Pakistan will only prolong sufferings of all sides.

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  • M. A. Changezi
    Dec 1, 2011 - 11:54AM

    Blockquote

    Blockquote> Dempsey declined to discuss details of the US military’s review into the incident, but asked, “What in the world would we gain by attacking a Pakistan border post?”Blockquote

    Blockquote

    Next time shoot an helicopter or three and tell them, “What in the hell would we gain by shooting NATO/American helicopters”.

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  • Parvez
    Dec 1, 2011 - 11:57AM

    The saying ‘ All warfare is based on deception ‘ holds very true in this case.Recommend

  • Abhi
    Dec 1, 2011 - 11:57AM

    Hey guys why are you fuming so much, haven’t you heard the proverb “might is right”.
    No matter what you say or cry, nothing will change. It is good to accept the “sorry” and move on, otherwise you have to move on anyway. Even if it was deliberate, what pakistan is going to do about it? more terrorist attacks on USA? Remember Rymond Davis case, even after capturing him red handed you have to release him.

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  • Hedgefunder figlio di Troia
    Dec 1, 2011 - 12:07PM

    Wishing my pakistani brothers all the best Recommend

  • Pundit
    Dec 1, 2011 - 12:10PM

    Yes i would like to live on welfareRecommend

  • zalim singh
    Dec 1, 2011 - 12:14PM

    100% agree.

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  • Dec 1, 2011 - 12:22PM

    He looks like a devil from face it self

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  • Johny
    Dec 1, 2011 - 12:22PM

    While killing OSAMA BIN LADIN ,they were having that advance satellite equipments technology stuff which helped to trace Osama bin ladin.Where was your technology when you were attacking our Units?You cheaters.

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  • Abhi pikina
    Dec 1, 2011 - 12:26PM

    agree with all.

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  • huma
    Dec 1, 2011 - 12:30PM

    how about you explain the logic behind men in cave being able to lure the most technologically advanced nation on the face of this earth to attack a pakistani base…or how about explaining the logic behind “oops…we made a booboo…no weapons of mass destruction here in Iraq…1 million dead Iraqis are collateral damage only, they dont matter”

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  • Dec 1, 2011 - 12:37PM

    @ExPat -

    We are a country who is formed based
    on religion and our constitutions says
    that Allah is the supreme power of the
    state. So that means we have all right
    to take 24 of their life until unless
    the family members of the deceased Pak
    soldiers spare their lives.

    But what if US agrees to pay BLOOD MONEY for the 24 slained Pakistani soilders? It would be settled then, aint it? As per your own, shariah law if i’m not mistaken?

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  • The Truth
    Dec 1, 2011 - 12:37PM

    Unlike Pakistani investigations which consist of alot of people giving their opinion. American and Nato investigations are very transparent and based on the evidence. The key parts of the investigation will come from radio transmissions and video from the aircraft. If Nato is in the wrong, they will apologize, make amends and attempt to correct the mistakes that led to the incident. Can the same be said for elements within Pakistan. Has the Army ever apologized for its overthrows of civilian governments? Border policies that have increased terrorism domestically. Religious terrorists are not our friends. How many Americans were killed in the attack on Abdullah Shah Ghazi? If these not jobs win, its only a matter of time till they are burning down schools in Karachi and killing men for shaving. If you have any doubts as to what I am saying, look at Afghanistan 15 years ago.

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  • Tony Singh
    Dec 1, 2011 - 12:38PM

    @EmbarassedPak:
    “I think we should adopt policy like that of Iran,
    If US attacks us we will destory Israel….
    So we can destroy one country..and that is …..?????”

    Pakistan itself

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  • Karim Lala
    Dec 1, 2011 - 1:01PM

    Difference between Pakistanis and rest of world. Rest of world, looks at incident and start gathering facts and do analyze before jumping to conclusion or pointing fingers. Pakistan starts printing news before the incident has even occurred. The art of lying suggests keep a template ready and propaganda machine on it’s toe. As soon as the expected incident happens throw your version of story to media and mass, no fair assessment of situation just our side of stories, cause emotional hysteria on already paranoid civilians. Take bold dramatic steps like stopping NATO supply lines and ask USA to leave the base thus getting the emotionally fools civilians on their side by showing the carrot of “we care”. By the time a fair analysis is out people are enough brainwashed to believe that the report is fabricated and world is plotting to destroy the literally insignificant and rather irritating existence of Pakistan.

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  • zalim singh
    Dec 1, 2011 - 1:26PM

    I guess RAW is involved somewhere here.

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  • Iftikhar-ur-Rehman
    Dec 1, 2011 - 2:01PM

    Had this been accidental incidence then Obama & Dempsy would have apologised for the mistake .Obama not even regretting this brazen attack shows that it was premeditated, deliberate and calculated attack.

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  • Hedgefunder
    Dec 1, 2011 - 2:10PM

    @ Cautious
    The US generals do not lie to their elected govt because that would be against their oath of office and treason.”
    Can you name the how many people US charged over the WMD lies and the basis of Iraq war?? Are you a compulsive liar or do you have selective memory?

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  • naeem hussain
    Dec 1, 2011 - 4:34PM

    You answer just one question that who killed that police officer who was going to respond Mumbai attack and why?@Raj:

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  • Roflcopter
    Dec 1, 2011 - 5:17PM

    Denying what is clearly a deliberate attack…what is the logic in that?

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  • antanu g
    Dec 1, 2011 - 5:21PM

    @Lady Gaga:
    just like its investigation of iraqi wmd.

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  • antanu g
    Dec 1, 2011 - 5:25PM

    @Aditya:
    an excuse to stay in the region indefinitely…how could they leave the region…which if peaceful…may develop faster than the west

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  • naeem hussain
    Dec 1, 2011 - 5:50PM

    American leaders have no moral credibility because leaders of no other country lie more than Americans.

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  • You Said It
    Dec 1, 2011 - 5:57PM

    @Hu Jintao:
    you still live in the delusional idealistic world where whatever the USA says is true
    PS : Santa Claus is reality

    Be nice, and Santa give you free fried rice.

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  • Dec 1, 2011 - 7:20PM

    @antanu g: if you have to go back 8 years to find an instance of American leaders lying whereas you can see your own telling fibs as of yesterday, then American leaders are indeed moral and credible by comparison, are they not?

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  • Hedgefunder
    Dec 1, 2011 - 7:20PM

    Pakistan Zindabad. We, Indians, support our neighhbor Pakistan wholeheartedly on this issue!!!

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  • Hedgefunder
    Dec 1, 2011 - 7:44PM

    @naeem hussain:
    American leaders have no moral credibility because leaders of no other country lie more than Americans

    Have you looked at your own leaders, lately???
    I suggest you do so as, at least in USA there is accountablity and even an president had to resigned from Office for his conduct !!
    Can you name me one leader in Pakistan who has done that???/
    They either leave in Coffin or spend time in Jails upon change of govts or spend time in exile !!!!
    So much for your perfect system and one should look within before making remarks about others !!!

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  • Hairaan
    Dec 1, 2011 - 7:57PM

    @American:
    This must be an American concept. How many American Pakistan has killed in “Friendly Fire” since the start of the war on terror? Why is it always US forces killing Pakistanis in friendly fire. This is what make it deliberate.

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  • Hasan
    Dec 1, 2011 - 8:30PM

    Shall we turn the other cheek or is this eyeball for an eyeball.

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  • Abhi
    Dec 1, 2011 - 8:48PM

    To all my pakistanis brothers and indian-pls dont fight. Recommend

  • Dr.A.K. Tewari
    Dec 1, 2011 - 8:58PM

    A TURNING POINT,,,,,,……
    ?
    Where it will lead us ……?

    Pakistan is at the cross road ……? Once again ……..?

    Let it subside ………?

    Or let it explode……..?

    Think again and again .

    Handle the situation with care .

    The armies involved in the war against terrorists has to be won by tnem .

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  • Jack
    Dec 1, 2011 - 10:14PM

    @Hedgefunder:
    It appears that the actual Hedgefunder has disappeared and some troll is taking advantage. Anyway, to address the issue at hand, it is clear to the rational (and hopefully unbiased) observer that neither NATO nor Pakistan gains from this imbroglio. NATO is still around for another 2 years and provoking an attack at some remote border post with no strategic benefit is pointless and self-defeating logic – I don’t see this happening. On the other hand, Pakistan is unlikely to attack Afghan army troops at the border or to initiate a full-fledged attack on NATO forces. Given that the border is fairly porous (an argument that Pakistan uses whenever it suits the purpose), this appears to be a premeditated attack by Taliban forces in the area against Afghan ground troops near the border, who would have then called in for air support from NATO forces. I think everyone needs to cool down and think this through, or at least wait for the investigation results. Note: This has nothing to do with the larger arguments on either side – of whether NATO can hope to win in Afghanistan (battles/ hearts/ minds), or whether Pakistan should allow its soil (Waziristan, Kashmir, Balochistan) to be used as a base for terrorists. The answer to both should be no – but yeah, no one is listening.

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  • Dec 1, 2011 - 11:18PM

    General – We Pakistanis will THANK you for leaving Pakistan ALONE.
    We are better off without friends like you.
    So better LAY OFF………………………………….

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  • satish
    Dec 1, 2011 - 11:52PM

    Pakistan should provide a credible proof that NATO’s attach was not unprovoked.

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  • Aftab kenneth Wilson
    Dec 2, 2011 - 12:47AM

    Memo issue, attack on our check post, reopening of Z A Bhutto’s judicial murder and forth coming of Senate Elections. All judges on one page against siting government. Something unfortunate is in waiting.

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  • Hesus stole my hot rod
    Dec 2, 2011 - 1:42AM

    The world I still questioning the logic of Iraq invasion and nation building!

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  • Engineer
    Dec 2, 2011 - 10:11PM

    @Hassan: Let us not get angry at the US only, The afghan forces were the one’s which called in air support, hence they are also equally responsible because they would have given the location to the pilots for what they had to fire at. Secondly the NATO forces don’t have a very long chain of command for carrying out airstrikes. The pilots only requires only a single authorization to fire that to over the radio with the pilot only telling the base that he is about to engage “suspicious ground targets” and the parameter is that anyone carrying a gun is considered an ” insurgent ” and they attack him with anti-tank level weapons. But the pilot can clearly differentiate between the taliban and uniformed guys whether own or Pakistani and they also have grid references of the locations of the posts. These posts were very prominent, there was no surrounding trees or any growth to make them less visible.

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  • Dec 2, 2011 - 10:34PM

    All your comments will be null and void once the inquiry report is out. Please bear with us for some more time.

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  • ashok sai
    Dec 2, 2011 - 11:29PM

    Pakistan is working good, i am liking it. hope the people realize that indian leaders are no better than yours. if you have problem with pakistan leave. pakistan wants to live in peace with its neighbours. china doing lot to improve the situation, russia not doing much. india sleeping by the side not realizing it can have the same fate one day if not helps the neighbours when they need help, they become angry and not good for india.

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