Qadri supporters rail against US, Ahmadis

Published: October 10, 2011

Sunni Ittehad announces ‘Remove government’ train march on Nov 21. PHOTO: AFP

LAHORE: Speakers at the Sunni Ittehad Council’s (SIC) National Khatam-i-Nabuwat Conference railed against the death sentence handed to Mumtaz Qadri for the murder of Salmaan Taseer, as well as Ahmedis and America, on Sunday.

SIC Chairman Sahibzada Fazle Karim announced that they would hold a ‘Remove government’ train march from Rawalpindi to Karachi on November 21 to press for Qadri’s release. “We will not let them hang Mumtaz Qadri,” he said to loud cheers. He said that Islam allowed the killing of a blasphemer.

Karim said Ahmedis were conspiring with America against Islam. He said that the SIC would fight for Islamic rule in Pakistan. They would also stop “the US dream of Indian supremacy in the subcontinent” from becoming a reality. He said the Sunni Tehrik was being victimised in Karachi and demanded that the government release its workers and leaders.

Jamat Ahle Sunnat (JAS) Nazim Aala Allama Syed Riaz Hussain Shah also spoke out against Ahmedis, saying they were “agents of anti-Pakistan forces” and involved in anti-state activities.

JAS Ameer Syed Mazhar Saeed Kazmi said appointing Ahmedis to key posts was a violation of the Constitution. He demanded that all Ahmedis be expelled from key posts. He said Ahmedis were created by the British.

At the end of the conference, the participants passed a resolution demanding the government end unemployment and power outages, and the president pardon Mumtaz Qadri.

Published in The Express Tribune, October 10th, 2011.

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Reader Comments (48)

  • Furqan
    Oct 10, 2011 - 12:15PM

    hmmm weren’t these the same people who were protesting against terrorism a few months back, show now that they are coming to senses to realize that who are the real culprits destroying our country.

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  • Cheema
    Oct 10, 2011 - 12:24PM

    Thats how great Nations’ prioritize National Interests!!
    We as a nation have been bearing massive costs due to raise in unjust religious radicalism..And such acts are alarming the forthcoming massacre too!!
    Lets just pray and hope ‘Ke Khudda in ko Hidaayat de’ Aameen!

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  • M M Malik
    Oct 10, 2011 - 1:48PM

    “He said that Islam allowed the killing of a blasphemer.”

    This is an example of extreme incitement to violence. This untrue statement gives a licence to every Muslim to kill errant non-believers is Pakistan and elsewhere in the world.

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  • Human
    Oct 10, 2011 - 2:24PM

    Conspiracy theories !!!
    How unfortunate that we as nation do not posses fraction of religious tolerance and interfaith harmoney. I am not an Ahmadi but reading such stuff make me feel very sad that, we dnt have actually freedom In our country we cant express our faith in Our beloved country. Rather we had more religious freedom in British India then Pakistan.

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  • R S JOHAR
    Oct 10, 2011 - 2:36PM

    @Cheema:
    Agree with first part of your comments but only praying would not stop violence and killings in Pakistan. The state must protect all minority communities in the country, who would be at a great risk after this declaration by SIC as other radical groups may also join the crusade as well.

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  • Talha
    Oct 10, 2011 - 2:52PM

    Ahmadi’s used to be in key posts of the military and civil service when Pakistan was created and remained so until their excommunication by Bhutto in 1974.

    There are no Ahmadi’s who occupy key posts anymore. They are either kicked out or not promoted by superiors. After Zia, Ahmadi’s were slowly kicked out though Musharraf tried to get them back but it did not work out.

    Sure, Ahmadi’s dominated civil and military leadership but those were the good days of Ayub Khan when Pakistan was the most progressive and least corrupt nation in Asia.

    Ahmadi’s also are Pro-Pakistani and have always been so.

    Also, if they were “British agents” they would be running this country.

    That is a fact.Recommend

  • MUHAMMAD
    Oct 10, 2011 - 2:55PM

    Dear fellows….my prediction is this man mumtaz qadri will cause revolution in pakistan….all Muslims are uniting…and there will be no place for corrupt ….go on Muslim brothers….Recommend

  • Karim
    Oct 10, 2011 - 2:57PM

    Religious extremism and fanaticism must be condemned by all and sundry. Media is requested to discourage such sort of activities by giving lesser/live coverage

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  • Rsingh
    Oct 10, 2011 - 3:00PM

    I understand Qadri supporters hate towards the yanks but why Ahmadis. Ahmadis were at forefront of Pakistan creation.Recommend

  • vasan
    Oct 10, 2011 - 3:12PM

    Pakistan is getting blackmailed internally by this mob and externally by the TTP who is asking for Saudi mediation. One tends to conclude that these guys are funded by the Saudis for spreading violent wahabbism. US should nail down the Saudis which will cut most of the funding Recommend

  • Syed
    Oct 10, 2011 - 3:20PM

    I say let them start their march , and in midway arrest all of them and try them all for treason !
    Treason against State
    and treason against religion also

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  • Oct 10, 2011 - 3:39PM

    The allegation on Ahmadis that they are involved in this is a pack of lies. If Ahmadis are involved then bring evidence. To accuse someone falsely is a sin.

    If Qadri is Jannati then why protest against his death sentence. Let him die so he can go there quickly. Recommend

  • Shahzad
    Oct 10, 2011 - 3:40PM

    Isn’t it clear to sensible minds that who are the culprits in our country who don’t have any respect for rule of the law? If Mumtaz Qadri is spared death sentence, it means that we will justify the instant killing of anyone who is deemed heretic or blasphemer by any lunatic in the society. What is the role of state institutions then? why do we spend millions on running courts when a lunatic Qadri can dispense immediate justice by killing one of the highest office-holders for his alleged blasphemy?

    If Pakistan has to survive as a functional state, it has to curb these fanatics & lunatics otherwise it would be too late. Recommend

  • Cautious
    Oct 10, 2011 - 4:05PM

    don’t like someone – accuse them of being in cahoots with the American’s. These kinds of allegations are obviously nonsense but somehow they gain traction in Pakistan – the land of the conspiracy.Recommend

  • T R Khan
    Oct 10, 2011 - 4:12PM

    @ ” also spoke out against Ahmedis, saying they were “agents of anti-Pakistan forces” and involved in anti-state activities.”

    If the Allama is so sure of his allegations, why hasn’t he approached the courts? It is his religious duty to protect the nation from anti-state activities.
    The Allama may just be playing to the gallery, which is surely against Islamic teachings.

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  • Diggvijay Singh
    Oct 10, 2011 - 4:34PM

    The problem is that religion is not being followed in true essence by a few people in Pakistan. Despite these rallies and intolerant show, I have full faith that the vast majority of Pakistanis are good, peaceful human beings who are good to their minorities, work hard for a living and donate to Islamic charities.
    Most of the participants of such rallies seem to be misguided poor people who couldn’t afford a good Islamic education to learn the real tenets of the religion.

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  • A.Raja Rao
    Oct 10, 2011 - 4:43PM

    It is extremely sad that Pakistan has come to this sorry pass and it is all self-inflicted. No outside power has played a hand in this state of affairs. Therefore only Pakistan itself can remedy this situation. But I doubt that this will happen and so we in this region are in for a bad bad time. Nothing can be done Recommend

  • R S JOHAR
    Oct 10, 2011 - 4:55PM

    @Shahzad:
    Fully agree with your comments. The state must act now and show its authority over these fanatics otherwise Pakistan is moving towards lawlesness, leading to total anarchy.

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  • ashok sai
    Oct 10, 2011 - 5:16PM

    Has Taseer has been charged with blasphemy, not, then why allow this procession and moronic act of these, impotency of the Government tells here.Recommend

  • Amira
    Oct 10, 2011 - 5:55PM

    I detest those who want to create chaos in the name of religion! They will surely rot in hell.Recommend

  • SaudiRules
    Oct 10, 2011 - 6:17PM

    All the muslims believe in the finality of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). All muslims who believe in this finality are brothers.

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  • Milestogo
    Oct 10, 2011 - 6:21PM

    Liberal Muslims don’t have an argument here. Liberal Muslims behave the exact same way against the people of other religions as these quadri supporters.

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  • common citizen
    Oct 10, 2011 - 6:22PM

    @Human:
    you are human and not muslim, A muslim can bear if someone says something wrong about his mother and father. But if anything is said about Prophet (PBUH) no muslim will hear this for that even he cuts his head off… So every Body should remain in Limit.

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  • Mirza
    Oct 10, 2011 - 7:34PM

    A most critical moment in the history of Pakistan. We have to decide and act whether we want Quaid’s Pakistan or Mullah’s fundamentalistan. The choice is simple and there is no time to keep sitting and waiting. We need decisive actions soon like “yesterday”.

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  • Sajid Hameed
    Oct 10, 2011 - 8:13PM

    Hang him, release him, make a statue of him, do whatever you want with him! but please, let us Ahmadies live in peace!

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  • Naveed Salman
    Oct 10, 2011 - 8:35PM

    Being a Pakistani Atheist and an ex-Muslim from a mainstream Sunni Islam, I do acknowledge that Ahmediyya religion is far more rational and its followers more peaceful then followers of mainstream Islam. No death for apostates and no punishment for blasphemy in Ahmediyya religion unlike mainstream Islam.
    And you can’t name even a single Ahmedi terrorist, while plethora of terrorists from mainstream Islam.
    Mainstream Muslims needs to ponder over this, or correct me if I am wrong

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  • csmann
    Oct 10, 2011 - 8:51PM

    SIC !! SIC people !!!
    if ullama can lie ,what is to be expected of the laity

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  • Gen Pasha (retd)
    Oct 10, 2011 - 9:11PM

    Ahmadi’s are citizens of Pakistan.
    Qadri is a cold blooded murderer and its time for him to pay for his sins – that is also not negotiable END OF STORY!Recommend

  • Oct 10, 2011 - 9:40PM

    Common Citizen,
    I’m not a Muslim, and I wouldn’t cut somebody head off for insulting my parents. In fact, I wouldn’t cut anybody’s head off over a verbal attack against any of the personalities I respect.

    Yet it is you who call yourself the follower of the religion of peace? Ironic, isn’t it?

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  • Tariq Shah
    Oct 10, 2011 - 10:11PM

    Pakistan will be destroyed, not by India, or USA or Israel, but by the bigots and fisaadi in our own ranks, they will destroy civil order, they will commit murder and not allow the law to take root, these people are hiding behind the banner of Islam are the biggest enemies of Islam and Pakistan.

    Why is the government not arresting the leaders of Sunni tehreek? Why are they not arresting lawyers who throw flowers at the murderer? When you tolerate one thing, it will snowball into bigger and bigger and soon you will be faced with Lal Masjid like problem, our leaders dont know how to nip a problem in the bud, we only react when the sore becomes gangrene or cancer on society.Recommend

  • Tariq Shah
    Oct 10, 2011 - 10:14PM

    I am sure these people have relatives in the US or Europe and I am sure the relatives demand equal rights as Muslims over there, and protection from violent nationalist groups.Recommend

  • Tariq Shah
    Oct 10, 2011 - 10:17PM

    They only know how to hate people, an destroy public property, and they think the prophet of Islam (PBUH) would be happy with this.

    They dont follow what the prophet PBUH said, but they are ready to kill anyone who says anything negative about him.

    These people are the dwellers of hellfire, just like the Holy Quran warn’s us.Recommend

  • M Mustafa Shah
    Oct 10, 2011 - 11:48PM

    All foreigners should be aware of our views about blasphemy and blasphemers. No foreign non-Muslim national should visit Pakistan and similarly Muslim citizens of Pakistan should not be allowed to visit non-Muslim countries. This is the only way of keeping everybody safe.

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  • csmann
    Oct 11, 2011 - 12:24AM

    @M Mustafa Shah:
    nobody has to;you are just doing fine amongst yourselves

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  • AA Choudhary
    Oct 11, 2011 - 1:36AM

    If Ahmadis are engaged in anti-state activities then why don’t the Mullahs take them to court. Strange. Mullahs run to register cases against Ahmadis for sayin ‘Assalam o alekum’, or ‘la ilaha illallah Muhammad ur rasool ullah’ but Mullahs are so nice to Ahmadis when they commit treason. Could Mullahs be cooperating with the Ahmadis in conspiring against Pakistan? What logic in the land of the pure!

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  • Talal
    Oct 11, 2011 - 3:55AM

    Aren’t the people protesting the same people who dance in masjids?

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  • Tariq
    Oct 11, 2011 - 6:49AM

    Wonder how many Pakistanis will claim to be Ahmadis to get asylum in the West. Especially these mullahs

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  • Jameel
    Oct 11, 2011 - 7:36AM

    @SaudiRules:

    All the muslims believe in the
    finality of our beloved Prophet
    Muhammad (PBUH). All muslims who
    believe in this finality are brothers.

    Is that why Wahabis are killing so many Shias and Brelvis?

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  • Alina
    Oct 11, 2011 - 8:18AM

    @Naveed Salman:
    mainstream islam??? this isnt mainstream islam. this is a result of ignorant muslims who’ve actualyl forgotten the true essence of their religion. like they say “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”. if you dont know about islam through and through, you will only become more intolerant. Read something about Prophet PBUH and you’ll figure out.
    Allah show us all the right path. this is saddening.

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  • Tariq Shah
    Oct 11, 2011 - 9:11AM

    Anyone who recites the KALIMA is a MUSLIM….PERIOD, End of Story.

    If Qadiyani recites the Kalima, thats it, he is a Muslim, no one has the right to say he is a non Muslim, if these came to me and told me I was not a Muslim, I would blow their head off, because the one who calls a Muslim, non Muslim, is himself a KAFIR because he is going against the teaching of ALLAH SWT and the Prophet PBUH.Recommend

  • Talal
    Oct 11, 2011 - 9:30AM

    @Jameel:
    Wahabis are not killing anyone any where. Recommend

  • kashan
    Oct 11, 2011 - 10:38AM

    The slogan “Love For All, Hatred for None” will save Pakistan.

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  • ANWAR ABUBACKER
    Oct 11, 2011 - 11:56AM

    Islam is peaceful religion and not to allow these kind of activities.

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  • omartng
    Oct 11, 2011 - 3:26PM

    i say we need nukes somewhere!!how about doin a nuke test on these desperados!!!Recommend

  • Naveed Salman
    Oct 12, 2011 - 2:41AM

    @Alina

    I called Qadri and their supporters as Muslims of mainstream Islam because they are not declared as kaafir by Pakistani Aalims and even Muslim Aalims of the World like Ahmedis.
    This is basically a straw-man argument, that they were not real Muslims. May I know who real Muslims of mainstream Islam are?? Does such an entity exist?

    It is them not me who should read the character of Prophet of Islam by some moderate scholar.
    Other scholars of Islam who support Mumtaz Qadri has painted the character of Prophet very Dark by saying that prophet ordered to kill anyone who does blasphemy against him, leaving no difference between him and Hitler who did the same.
    This blasphemy law in Islam makes Prophet of Islam appears a villain and so there should be no blasphemy law in Islam.

    Ahmediyya scholars say there is no punishment blasphemy; at least they make the character of Prophet appear merciful unlike Islam Aalims that support Mumtaz Qadri.

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  • behresakit
    Oct 12, 2011 - 4:54AM

    These are truely Saudi assets actually to counter any Iranian influence but local politicians also use them to settle their local political scores.

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  • waseem
    Oct 12, 2011 - 6:55PM

    @common citizen:
    what is the limit? is the limit that was set by Hazoor pbuh or is it going to be set by you because you think you are greater then the Holy prophet pbuh. he let everyone go yet your qadri started killing people.
    Ahhh i sigh at these people.. another terrorist in making..

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  • philosopher
    Oct 20, 2011 - 3:15PM

    Shame for labelling ahmadis as agents engaging in anti Pakistan activities.If conspiring against Pakistan means producing the only Nobel laureate of the country (Dr Abdus Salam 1979) – who also established a physics learning institute for scientists from the third world countries; the only Pakistani to become a judge at the International court of justice at Hague (Sir Zafarullah Khan), and many martyrs in the Pakistan movement itself and in the Kashmir war 1948 (Furqan force) and subsequently in the war of 1965( Gen Akhtar malik who nearly got Aknoor for Pakistan) and countless POWs and martys in the war of 1971,and one of the least corrupt and most law abiding citizens of Pakistan, then I guess we need a lot more of these agents to make Pakistan one of the leading nations of the worldRecommend

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