Dress modestly: Masked men enter girls’ school, thrash students

Published: October 9, 2011

Fear grips Satellite Town schools as 60 men beat up students for dressing ‘inappropriately’.

RAWALPINDI: 

In a first for the garrison city, sixty masked men carrying iron rods barged into a girls’ school in Rawalpindi and thrashed students and female teachers on Friday.

The gang of miscreants also warned the inmates at the MC Model Girls High School in Satellite Town to “dress modestly and wear hijabs” or face the music, eyewitnesses said.

Fear gripped the area following the attack and only 25 of the 400 students studying in the college were present on Saturday. The school employs 30 female teachers.

Attendance in other educational institutions also remained low. After hearing about the attack, all schools in the city shut down, an official of the Rawalpindi District Administration (RDA) told The Express Tribune.

A student of the girls’ school managed to inform the administration of the nearby boys’ high school of the attack. “[However,] the armed gang was so powerful that we could not rescue our teachers and colleagues over there,” Noail Javed, a grade 10 student, said.

In-charge of MC High Schools in Rawalpindi issued a notification to the heads of all girls’ schools to take pre-emptive measures to avoid such incidents in future. According to the notification, a gang comprising 60 to 70 miscreants entered into the school from a gate that was “strangely open”.

All the MC school heads were assigned the responsibility of protecting the students by the notification. A school headmistress wishing not to be named said, “How is it possible for us to protect the students from such elements. The city administration should review its security plan.”

The notification also suggested that the heads should not inform the students about the situation, so that they are not alarmed into skipping school. “Police is investigating the matter,” the notification said. Following the notification, the heads of the schools also shared the numbers of relevant police stations with the teachers in case of any untoward situation in future.

Asjad Ali, a student of class 9 at the nearby boys’ high school, said that his younger brother Awais, a student of grade 5, was also among those who were brutally beaten by the miscreants with iron rods. “The police did not come,” he said.

A police official of the New Town Police Station, asking for anonymity, told The Express Tribune, “We were under strict instructions to do nothing.”

District Education Officer Qazi Zahoor and Rawalpindi Commissioner Zahid Saeed were not immediately available for comments.

Published in The Express Tribune, October 9th, 2011. 

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Reader Comments (242)

  • Wahas Ahmed
    Oct 9, 2011 - 11:28AM

    In Rawalpindi city, the place where Army HQ is situated. I am shocked.

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  • Dan
    Oct 9, 2011 - 11:40AM

    may be, army wants to win public support against millitants to lay ground for an operation in Waziristan.

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  • Supressed, Opressed, Depressed
    Oct 9, 2011 - 11:40AM

    “We were under strict instructions to do nothing” ?!?!?!?! What the fish? If we don’t send a strong message to such miscreants, extremism will eat Pakistan alive! The police never was and never will be someone we cant count upon to protect the citizens and maintain law and order. Such a pity. I guess people should take matters into their own hands now and become vigilantes.

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  • Balochistan
    Oct 9, 2011 - 11:40AM

    Shame on them, O world please don’t judge them or associate them with the Islam. Down with taliban and terroristsRecommend

  • Oct 9, 2011 - 11:58AM

    What kind of barbarians beat school girls with Iron rods ? and the Police is told to stand-by and watch?

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  • Akhtar
    Oct 9, 2011 - 11:58AM

    They aren’t ‘miscreants’. They are local maddrassa students. Everyone in the locality knows about it!

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  • R S JOHAR
    Oct 9, 2011 - 12:05PM

    60 to 70 miscreants able to enter the school and thrash small children with rods and not even one arrested so far. On the contrary the police official declares ‘We are under strict instructions to do nothing’ is simply disgusting and indicates state’s total helplessness against the radical elements in Pakistan which would give rise to more lawlessness in the country.

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  • Oct 9, 2011 - 12:31PM

    This was in Rawalpindi. Which powerful group within the government were these psychopaths who attacked a girls school connected with?

    And if they can enter a girls school and beat students, can’t they also kill people? This is way, way too fishy to be just a random group of madrassah students, especially in Rawalpindi. This reminds me of the Lal Masjid situation, where vigilantism was allowed to persist by the Musharraf government.

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  • Maddy Khan
    Oct 9, 2011 - 12:37PM

    I condem thrashing and steel rods stuff but if Govt of an Islamic state do nothing to impose Islamic laws (debateable, yes), the people will definetly take the matter in their own hands. We need to define a line between western and islamic culture (not indian culture) before it is too late. Their request is very innocent ““dress modestly and wear hijabs”. I wonder what is wrong about that as long as we are Muslims. This is implemented all over the world in different forms. Even the westerns have their own dress modesty and rules to ensure the same.

    And a kind request to those who wish to blast me with their “moderate” views, please get your homework done on dressing laws in Islam before saying anything.

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  • JJ
    Oct 9, 2011 - 12:38PM

    But it was wrong for the girls to wear UNISLAMIC dress in ISLAMIC republic. The girls must be covered from head to toe and there must be segregation of sexes. And if the government is not enforcing strict SHARIA laws then true muslims have to take law(ISLAMIC LAW) in their own hands and establish NIZAM-e-MUSTAFA. So whats the problem here?

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  • gk
    Oct 9, 2011 - 12:44PM

    RESULT OF EXTREME RELIGIONISM, RADICAL THINKING, SHORT MINDSET, LACK OF COMMONSENSE, HATRED, BRAINWASH, ………..
    1000 times more severe than 17th centurie’s Europe

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  • gk
    Oct 9, 2011 - 12:45PM

    @JJ:

    So whats the problem here?

    your mentality!

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  • Oct 9, 2011 - 12:46PM

    Seriously, how about threatening the ownership of the Madrassah with nationalisation if their students engage in vigilantism http://t.co/Fl67wF4J

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  • Oct 9, 2011 - 12:51PM

    JJ, our democratically elected representatives called this country an Islamic Republic because we and they mistakenly thought that if we give a loud minority a demand they have for changing the name of this country, they would be satisfied, and in the spirit of political give and take, that loud minority would be satisfied with the change and calm down. Instead, that minority remained unsatisfied, they remained angry with their own surroundings and how they did not match their own, sterilised life, and they demanded more and more restrictions. This country has bent enough to your demands, how about you change yourself, and let people live they want to, and leave them alone.

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  • Pakistani First
    Oct 9, 2011 - 12:54PM

    @Maddy Khan:
    This is not the 7th Century my friend. Come out of your cave and see where the world is headed. The reason we are miles behind the rest of the world is that we are the sole country that has religion on its sleeve. We have given ourselves the bastion of being Islam’s saviors. Let me assure you Islam doesn’t need any saving from people like you or those miscreants. The girls can wear anything they want its you who needs to strengthen his faith. What kind of Islam is this where they are using rods to threaten and coerce. No sir I do not follow the kind of Islam you and these terrorists preach.

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  • simple_request
    Oct 9, 2011 - 12:56PM

    Its a simple request please dress modestly, because there is a limit drawn between islamic and western culture. So government should do something to enforce the proper islamic dress code for girls. I dont see any thing wrong with this request and inshAllah government will take proper measures to act upon this.

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  • Parvez
    Oct 9, 2011 - 1:01PM

    ……and still we do nothing about the madrases and their sponsors.

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  • simple pakistani
    Oct 9, 2011 - 1:06PM

    JJ…….you are an ILLITERATE and stupid persion.
    Under Islam, you CAN NOT establish a state within a state….do you UNDERSTAND????…these leads to ANARCHY which is strictly FORBIDDEN in Islam…moreover, only the MAHRAM of the women (hunsband, brother, son etc) can make a women dress modeslty. No other perosn roaming on the street has the right to force any women to cover up. But ofcourse you dont know these things since you have not bothered to read the Islamic literature, you just act as if you are the champion of Islam.

    So kindly…..SHUT YOUR MOUTH

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  • Oct 9, 2011 - 1:07PM

    It is troubling that there are people that apparently support the actons of these lunatics.
    Islam makes room for those who wish to wear the hijab and those who don’t. The responsibility is upon a man to lower his gaze when in the presence of a woman, regardless of what she is wearing. By what yardstick do you religious nuts think it is acceptable to beat anyone?

    I suppose it’s too much to ask you nutcases to practice your faith without infringing on the rights of others?

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  • saeed ahmad
    Oct 9, 2011 - 1:07PM

    Remember Lala Masjid squad chasing the chinese in Islamabad… ?

    Strings are attached.

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  • Oct 9, 2011 - 1:09PM

    This is bull, they dont have authority to do that. In future, any group of ……… can mask themselves and impose their brand of religion. Only state has the power to do that (by doing I dont mean beating them, rather giving them choice). If state is not doing it then we should strive for creating state who can do it not to take matters in our own hand.

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  • Wolf
    Oct 9, 2011 - 1:10PM

    I hope you are not being sarcastic, if really not, you have a very low IQRecommend

  • Ali Hasan
    Oct 9, 2011 - 1:16PM

    It’s a sad day for Pakistan when the comments on such shocking articles are more shocking that the news itself.

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  • Oct 9, 2011 - 1:17PM

    “We were under strict instructions to do nothing.”
    These are the words that shall be carved onto this nation’s epitaph.

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  • Alsahdiq
    Oct 9, 2011 - 1:20PM

    Are we Muslims indeed? Are we? We should all be asking this question to ourselves.
    Why?
    When there were just a few hundred Muslims in the world, they had no trouble, whatsoever, in coming together to establish an Islamic State.
    Today we are in millions, yet not ONE Islamic State? Why?
    Those who bothered to create an Islamic State were true Muslims and we? We are IMPOSTERS, decidedly. Imposters, just because our deeds prove it.
    Those who came together to make the Laws of Allah, Laws of their land, whatever land they had, knew very well that the resoponsibility to create an Islamic state is theirs collectively, so they all worked for it.
    Today none of us knows this most vital reason of not having an Islamic State.
    We all want an Islamic State. Do we not? But how many of us are doing anything to achieve it.
    We all want JUSTICE. Do we not? But how many of us practice JUSTICE?
    The habit of practice of justice determines in total black and white, whether a person is a Muslim or not a Muslim.
    Islam never spread by coercion, extortion, violence or anything ugly like that.
    Islam spread because those new Muslims set up good examples through their exemplary behaviuor of winning the hearts and minds of non Muslims. Those Arabs or new Muslims changed their bad habits for the good. We all also need to change our bad habits for the good if we ever want to become Muslims. True Muslims, like them. We all need to follow in the footsteps of those true Muslims who took the responsibility of creating an Islamic State through their own collective efforts. A responsibility we vow to take when we recite the Kalimah of allegience to Allah. Did those Arabs and new Muslims ever leave it for a political party or any person to give them an Islamic State? Did they? So why do we? Can we not see the result of what they achieved ? We shall never achieve anything if we all will not be prepared to come out to join hands to work for it and maintain it as they did.

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  • Mj
    Oct 9, 2011 - 1:26PM

    The future of this country: Unity, Faith, Discipline has been replaced by Fear, Tyranny, Fanaticism.

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  • Abhishek
    Oct 9, 2011 - 1:35PM

    @ JJ Bravo …….
    may more people think like u .
    Amen

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  • Raj
    Oct 9, 2011 - 1:44PM

    How do you know that these are true Muslims? If these guys are so great believer let them come up without masks and then fight face to face ? If their god taught them to beat innocent girls in the name of modesty, then surely they are praying some different god or a demon. If they insist that they pray the same Prophet, then that means that they are trying to malign the Prophet. In that case it is clear blasphemy and as per law of the land hang them in a public gathering so that nobody else tries such blasphemous act again.

    @JJ and Maddy Khan – I am amazed by your naivety. I feel I need to get personal here. The problem is that your parents did not get proper education as a result you have turned into such animals.[ Education here not just mean ability to read and write English or an engineering degree but to understand and respect individual rights and beliefs] Had you mother been educated she would have given you enough thrashing on the very first signs of your bigotry. Now since it did not happen it’s unfortunate for you, but keep you thoughts with yourself. And marry an educated girl so that your children don’t undergo the same suffering as you.

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  • Mj
    Oct 9, 2011 - 1:50PM

    @JJ:
    @Maddy Khan:
    Religion is something which is fine to have and to practice, but PLEASE don’t shove it down the throats of others. Or are you so insecure in your faith that unless there is a totalitarian and dictatorial theocracy you are unable to practice your faith freely? If you want to dress up your female family members forcefully from ‘head to toe’ as you say, please feel free to do so, but DO NOT expect others to do the same.

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  • MK
    Oct 9, 2011 - 1:51PM

    @JJ:
    Please JJ, firstly GET A LIFE.

    No country and no group of miscreants has the RIGHT to tell people how to dress, and then thrash them for it. Religion is a personal matter between individuals and God – why is that so difficult to understand? And doesn’t the Quran say itself, “Let there be no compulsion about religion”?

    So please before speaking about how this is the right way, check your facts. We’re in the 21st century and this kind of barbaric behaviour should be strongly condemned. How about if a group of men came and thrashed you for not having your beard upto 2 feet or whatever in length, and wearing a shirt which reveals your body hair, and jeans that are way too tight?

    How come that story never comes into light huh? Maybe because the way Pakistani society perceives it, religion is only aimed at women who are meant to cover themselves while men can just have whatever they want.

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  • faraz
    Oct 9, 2011 - 1:53PM

    Such is the extremism of our society that many believe that a person can’t even dress according to his own will. If this is sharia, then I don’t want any.

    @Maddy Khan, JJ

    There is nowhere in Quran that women wear hijab. The uniform of a girl’s school is sufficiently modest. Don’t impose your believes on others. Taliban and sectarian killers also present the same logic that you’re giving.

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  • Dua Qureshi
    Oct 9, 2011 - 2:00PM

    ^
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    Need to build a time machine and put you two in it.

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  • Neela tarbooza
    Oct 9, 2011 - 2:00PM

    ^ so you’re okay with random men coming barging into a girls school like theyre some morality police and almost killing little girls and women if they choose not to cover their heads? you, sir, are a barbarian, and people like you should seize to exist.

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  • Moody
    Oct 9, 2011 - 2:01PM

    ermm… weren’t they wearing school uniform?

    This is more than it appears to be.

    This is a fringe of the Qadri issue and the Mullahs brigade want to get their “activists” geared up and ready to go out and terrorise anyone who disagrees with them on their “opinion” of Islam.

    They are Liars, Cheats and Innovators.

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  • Ahmad B.
    Oct 9, 2011 - 2:03PM

    how in the world was it “Islamic” of these barbarians to beat people up?

    all of you talking about how they were trying to enforce “Shariah” in your comments, do you even know what Shariah is? SERIOUSLY?

    and since when are we the judge of something that’s between man and Allah? can you quote me from the Quran or the Sunnah what “Islamic punishment” is prescribed for “not dressing moderately”?

    Stop ridiculing Islam already!

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  • A Muslim
    Oct 9, 2011 - 2:06PM

    At those ‘islamic’ friends of mine here who are trying their best to condone and defend this act, and talking about Nizam-e-Mustafa and ‘Islamic Vaues’, can u please do your homework and let me know what article or section of Shariah, or event in the days of the prophet or ayat of Quran justifies this act, the way it was done? Do you really think you are the model muslim?
    The very line that we today fail to realize and love debating is whether there is ‘Jabar’ in islam or not. My faith says there is No Jabar permissible in Islam. For those of you who think there is, well you sure deserve to be taken out of your houses and beaten every time you don’t offer prayers in Jamaat!
    This cancer has spread out of control and hate me for saying this but the way things are going, maybe we would start praying for an Ata Turk to come and rid this menace for us!

    Wasalam

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  • Waqas
    Oct 9, 2011 - 2:12PM

    Since when did Islam allow beating women and children? no matter what religion they follow, they were never harmed like THIS at the advent of Islam.

    My question to these people is this, how come whenever someone wants to enforce Islamic laws, it’s always in the domain of women’s clothing or family planning? How come this armed group never went against all the corruption in the country? how come these “Vigilantes” do not fight crime? The picked girls and children and beat them up and that is how Islamic Laws are enforced by these people.

    Mind you, clothing of an individual is not an Islamic State Law! Under no circumstances is one allowed to enforce “Proper clothing” on someone. If someone actually supports this action, no wonder we have extremism.

    And for the love of God! Everyone, please stop being authority on religion when clearly you are not! There are several sects in Islam, each interpretting things in a different way. First try to be a model Muslim yourself! Then expect others to follow you! You have no right to “Enforce” anything on anyone!

    Why not grab people in the streets and make them offer prayers as well? It’s in Islam. Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance! Not of dictators!

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  • Sandra Bell
    Oct 9, 2011 - 2:13PM

    Does it say in the Qur’an to beat the living daylights out of another human being if the allegedly do something un-Islamic? Why can’t they use words of reason rather than violence? Islam is a peaceful religion, sadly the religious fanatics & fundamentalists interpret the word of God to achieve their own perverse goals. People who try to rule with violence & fear should fear God. On the day of judgement their deeds will be revealed in their hands….they can’t re-interpret that part of the Qur-an can they? Just saying x

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  • simple_request
    Oct 9, 2011 - 2:15PM

    I am extremely saddened by the number of extreme liberals here on ET. Dont you guys ever read Quran and dont you know any thing about the islamic dress code and basic set of rules described in Quran. If you are not a muslim, i am not concerned but if you are a muslim and you are talking like this then its better you declare yourself as a non-muslim or correct yourself. May Allah guide you and the administration of ET who is propagating this secular western agenda in Pakistan. Recommend

  • ahmed
    Oct 9, 2011 - 2:16PM

    Sounds like doings of the Napak ARMY, who else can it be!!!!

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  • Khalid
    Oct 9, 2011 - 2:16PM

    Highly confused society. Very high wishes and desires, but totally ignorant how to achieve the goals. To have SHARIA LAW ( a good wish ) by THRASHING WITH RODS ( ignorant way to achieve goals )…

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  • Pakistani
    Oct 9, 2011 - 2:20PM

    When strategic assets backfire.

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  • M Ali Khan
    Oct 9, 2011 - 2:25PM

    I wonder how connected this incident is to a massive Sipah-e-Sahaba rally being held at the same time in Islamabad!

    http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?83150-Estehkam-e-Pakistan-Or-Shoda-e-Islam-Conference-in-Isb

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  • malik
    Oct 9, 2011 - 2:29PM

    i am sure the gang did not have miscreants but parents of girls !!!

    When parents advise girls to dress modestly, these girls always fight….. but now, they will listen to the voice of the gang….advice is right…method is wrong….

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  • SW
    Oct 9, 2011 - 2:29PM

    In this very set of comments, out of 12 respondents, 2 are of the opinion that what was done was partially necessary and that “Shariah” law, or their limited interpretation of it, should be imposed in this way. This is 2 out of 12 seemingly educated people judging from the level of grammar and vocabulary employed.
    That leaves more than half the population of Pakistan that is not well educated; a fair number of whom have not even finished primary school. In this group, it is reasonable to imagine that the number of respondents similar to the 2 pro-what-happened above will be greater if it’s assumed that education plays an important role in reducing levels of religious “fundamentalism” or “Classical” religious views.
    Therefore, all such manifestations of “imposing” Islamic values is not just the gifts of a small, minority group of fundamentalists. It is supported in varying degrees by a large part of the population.
    This is disturbing. More importantly, it makes the problem bigger and more difficult. Before any solutions or ways forward are arrived at, the reality of this limited interpretation of Sharia and its effects on the mentality of a large part of the population of Pakistan have to be accepted.

    The “impose-classical-Islamic-values” agenda is not restricted to a meager minority. A large part of our population, perhaps more than 50% even, practice it every day in a myriad of different ways. At the very least, even if they don’t practice it, they support it.

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  • Oct 9, 2011 - 2:37PM

    As if the title wasn’t shocking enough, the contents have left me even more baffled: the police was under ‘strict instructions to do nothing’. How is the general public supposed to feel safe, not that we do already, when the police may be under instructions to ‘do nothing’? Sad.

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  • Salt
    Oct 9, 2011 - 2:48PM

    So when did those men say it was about Islam , The Koran and the Religion? This is probably some drama to close down the school…maybe someone from a rival group in the vicinity.

    but if you put 2 and 2 together..it just doesnt seem right. its a VERY difficult thing for 70 men armed with iron rods to travel together.

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  • Aftb Kenneth Wilson
    Oct 9, 2011 - 2:53PM

    Where is CJ of LHC and more surprisingly CJ of SC?????? Oh I see, they are too afraid to take up these types of cases. Thanks God, our province of Sindh is safe from these so called salvation army.

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  • Oct 9, 2011 - 2:58PM

    this is very good step we need Islamic education in our societyRecommend

  • ishtiaer hussain
    Oct 9, 2011 - 3:02PM

    Taliban are not only hiding in the caves of Waziristan and Swat, they are right among us in our cities who preach hatred, raise money from internal and external sources (I mean Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries) and impose their version of Islam on all of us. A significant section of our media and political parties are openly hands-in-glove with the shaggy barbarians. We are reaping what we sowed long ago. When politics is mixed with religion, it makes a powerful bomb.

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  • ishtiaer hussain
    Oct 9, 2011 - 3:05PM

    There are different interpretations of religion. Even scientists don’t agree over a sole explanation of a physical phenomenon. Religion cannot be explained through pure logic, therefore there cannot be consensus over true Islam. So what we need is tolerance. Accept each other and let people do what they believe in. You hate me because of the ideas you gained from your environment, my ideas are derived from the environment I live in. We both can’t be held liable for our beliefs. So it all depends on the external sources of ideas. If my dad had been a religious scholar instead of a University professor, I would have held different beliefs.

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  • ishtiaer hussain
    Oct 9, 2011 - 3:07PM

    Taliban are now the de facto rulers of Pakistan. They can now kidnap anyone, no matter how powerful he may be, from anywhere in Pakistan at will. Just look at the high profile kidnapping cases of Aamir Malik, Dr Ajmal Khan (vice chancellor of Peshawar University) and now Shabaz Taseer. Our Army is busy feeling “threat” from India on the outside borders and our country is caving in from inside. Soon the Army may have no country to defend from outside. May be, our Army would cut a deal with Taliban accepting them as the new rulers of Pakistan.

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  • Mohsin Sayeed
    Oct 9, 2011 - 3:08PM

    Only a JJ can condone and defend such barbaric act. JJ ie Jinsy Junoony

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  • ishtiaer hussain
    Oct 9, 2011 - 3:09PM

    Where is our “Pak Army” which eats away 50% of our budget? Don’t they feel it their duty to fight for the country against her internal enemies who are operating right under the nose of GHQ? NO. They are too busy in allocating plots to officers in different projects of DHA. Please don’t disturb them; they are engaged in defending the “ideological and territorial borders of DHA”.

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  • ishtiaer hussain
    Oct 9, 2011 - 3:14PM

    @A Muslim:

    How can you expect those who can’t agree on a single day of Eid to impose Shariah in Pakistan? Anyone who wants to live his life under Shariah should rather go to Waziristan, Somalia, Saudi Arabi or Iran. Please leave alone Pakistan, we don’t need your Shariah.

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  • Maria
    Oct 9, 2011 - 3:16PM

    @Pakistani First: dude its just because people like these who tout Islam the most have neither bothered reading Quran or hadith or history or done any kind of thinking or personal introspection AT ALL. All they know of is how to twist religion to suit their own chauvinistic, idiotic personal agendas!

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  • ishtiaer hussain
    Oct 9, 2011 - 3:21PM

    Educationists say that you can change the destiny of an entire generation and of those who would come after that if you educate women. The education of a women acts like a multiplier which tends to change the very fabric of a society in favor of moderation, progress and social emancipation. Taliban and their reactionary political patrons are well aware of this fact and this is the reason why they are so resistant to women education.

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  • antony
    Oct 9, 2011 - 3:22PM

    I now completely understand pakistan military and ISI why they dare not take on Taliban but ready to take on America ..Because America is like a lion to them if you dont go near it ,it will not attack you or at the best roar from far off jungle and you can live with it. But Taliban is a cancer in own body if aggravated it will spread all over the body and death is the result. Taliban mindset is in every city every village and in every street .So it takes long long time to weed out or heal and thats why military is just asking US,Aghanistan and India too not to provoke taliban and give them their share so that this cancer is not aggravated..I understand this view .. Second view ,pakistani people dont feel desperate as if some animals are there in your country –To soothe you ,let me tell you that RSS (with stick wielding and not gun as your case) is capable of barging into convent schools and beating teachers,nuns but Indian people(mostly hindus) and government keeps them in check and thats the level of control pakistan should aim for !! .

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  • Maddy Khan
    Oct 9, 2011 - 3:28PM

    See, I knew that most of you will start acting like ultra moderate Muslims. I condemn the way these masked men tried to implement Islamic dressing modesty in their own way and they should be treated well by the govt agencies for violating the state rules and taking the matter in their own hand. But same should be done to every other citizen who protest against any injustice including those who protested in Punjab against load shedding to those who protested against Zulfiqar Mirza statements.

    @Pakistani First: Don’t act smart by telling me that it’s not 7th century, every kid on the street knows that and no one is impressed here by this much knowledge of yours. And I am not living in a cave for your kind information, it’s actually you who is living in a air conditioned cave with a internet connection to trust google more than what is written in Quran or whatever your dad tells you.

    “We have given ourselves the bastion of being Islam’s saviors”::: i feel very sorry if you feel ashamed on this.

    “Let me assure you Islam doesn’t need any saving from people like you or those miscreants.” :: You have absolutely no right to take over Islam and assure me anything for it and give fatwas like a neighborhood molvi.

    “girls can wear anything they want” ::: LoL … i hope you will not join Nudists tomorrow and ask the world to walk naked in the malls while your mothers/daughter and sisters shop. And stop fantasizing about that, as no matter how hard you try.. Pakistani girls are not going to walk naked in the streets in your life. Brother, there should be a limit and modesty to everything, kindly understand. Even your ideals for freedom of everything also condemn it (google it baby). =P

    “What kind of Islam is this where they are using rods to threaten and coerce” :::: I have already condemned this part as it is not fair in any part of the world.. but yes.. I do wish that you raise same voice against forces who carpet bombed palestine, Iraq, afghanistan and Pakistan and killed thousands of families including children and women. And do let me know when you do that as i want to see how explicitly you do that, but only if you feel comfortable or it is perfectly all rite with me otherwise.

    May God bless all!!

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  • Arindom
    Oct 9, 2011 - 3:29PM

    welcome to Talibanised Land of the Pure!!

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  • Iron hand
    Oct 9, 2011 - 3:30PM

    Who among you who are outraged will go into the streets and protest? If you don’t take your country and religion back from these maniacs, your condemn your children to a horrific future.

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  • A Rehman
    Oct 9, 2011 - 3:33PM

    To the weak, immoral cowards on this forum who are trying to justify the criminal acts of these thugs –
    Go educate yourselves about Islam before you start braying to others, you bring shame upon yourselves and Islam by having the audacity to claim criminals and thugs are champions of Islam. The Quran tells us repeatedly to differentiate right from wrong, to do justice, to be charitable, to exercise self control, to use our God-given brain, in addition to the relatively ”easy” farz of salat. Being a good Muslim does not mean you should grow a beard/wear a hijab and then proceed to behave like violent thugs. What jahalat. Establishing regular prayer is only the beginning – humility, the courage to stand up for right, to be fair in business and personal dealings, to regularly give Zakat, to exercise self control are all required of Muslims. When you have achieved all this, feel free to offer your wisdom to others. For now, go fix yourselves before trying to poison other people’s views of Islam with your ignorant and hypocritical ranting.

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  • Oct 9, 2011 - 3:34PM

    as long as we have corrupt governments and the elites looting the country, screaming against extremism wont do much… poverty, ignorance, extreme inequalities, injustices and bad governance have set new records.. what do you expect my dear affluent liberals?

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  • Cakacaya
    Oct 9, 2011 - 3:40PM

    The fact that these guys were masked demonstates more than anything else the cowardice of their actions And for those people who have said that this is a good thing, remember you don’t get brownie points in the next life if you scare, hurt or murder innocent people in this one. In simple terms, these are bad things – and you all should know what happens in the next life to those who do bad things.

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  • Maddy Khan
    Oct 9, 2011 - 3:45PM

    @Raj: I appreciate your efforts for offending people here by getting personal on a social issue specially with the level of frustration you carry everywhere but you better work hard enough as I don’t give a second thought to such emotionally driven views by people like you. This is a social issue and let’s not start an argument which makes everyone start undressing each other for no reason.

    “And marry an educated girl” :::: LoL… whatever your tried to pretend here .. you do sound funny for sure!! =)

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  • justice to be done
    Oct 9, 2011 - 4:11PM

    What?? Police has been told to do nothing?? Just can’t believe this :(

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  • AF
    Oct 9, 2011 - 4:14PM

    @JJ:

    Does it define anywhere in the constitution of this “Islamic Republic” what men and women must and must not wear?
    Answer: No

    Does it say anywhere in the constitution of this country, or in the Shariah, that people are allowed to beat others up if others are dressed immodestly (or for any other reason)?
    Answer: No

    Does a girls’ school sound like a place where girls need to wear hijab to hide themselves from men?
    Answer: No

    Does it say in the Qur’an that you must abide by the LAWS of the COUNTRY that you are living in?
    Answer: Yes

    Do you now understand that these girls committed no crime; however, those who beat them up can be criminally charged for trespassing, assault and battery, both under Pakistani AND Islamic law?

    I suggest you actually do some reading on Islamic law. You will be surprised to read that, in actual fact, nobody is allowed to beat anybody up for dressing immodestly. In Islamic law, men and women are told to LOWER/AVERT THEIR GAZE, whether they are looking at someone dressed modestly or immodestly – and no further “punishment” or prosecution is prescribed beyond that.

    GET EDUCATED IN ISLAM, O PASSIONATE ISLAMISTS.

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  • MK
    Oct 9, 2011 - 4:17PM

    this conversation has gotten downright sickening. apparently everybody believes THEIR version of Islam is the true one. Gimme a break. go out there and work, educate yourselves and rid yourselves of the frustration inside you.

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  • ayman
    Oct 9, 2011 - 4:21PM

    @JJ:
    the commoners donot posses this right to take islam in their hands its the duty of muslim government to do so.i myself cover up from head to toe but i know very well what my religion commands its people.

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  • justice to be done
    Oct 9, 2011 - 4:27PM

    The Return of the Lal Masjid II. Musharraf badly needed before its too late.

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  • Freeman
    Oct 9, 2011 - 4:46PM

    @Maddy Khan: We are not talking here right or wrong. We are talking about they way those people adopted is 100% wrong and we condemn it strongly.

    We do not want these unlawful things in Pakistan. We do not want any person force pther people how to live their life. Alrady Pakistan image is very low all over the world. Islam never force things like this. These people are trying to force things on Gun point in the name of Islam. Shame on them. Cowards.Recommend

  • Rational
    Oct 9, 2011 - 5:10PM

    @Wahas Ahmed: Remember Abbottabad? lol.

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  • Talha
    Oct 9, 2011 - 6:10PM

    these madrassas should be banned, they dont teach anything worthwhile anyway.

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  • The Truth
    Oct 9, 2011 - 6:18PM

    Shocking beyond words. The people who did that, I wouldn’t call them inhuman because that’d even be an insult to those who are inhuman. What’s more unbelievable are some of the people commenting here, supporting such actions. To those, please get it through your thick head:
    1. Everyone is free to practice their religion, beliefs & culture in Pakistan. If you cannot tolerate that, it’s your problem, not ours, so it’s you who should leave.
    2. The kind of Islam you are trying to preach, is not Islam, so stop intruding in our religion.
    3. We’ve had enough of people like you destroying the good name of Pakistan & Islam. If you don’t have the tolerance that Islam preaches, please pack your bags & leave… go anywhere, try applying for a visit visa to Afghanistan & then disappear. Pakistan is not your country, we don’t want you here so leave!

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  • Ch Allah Daad
    Oct 9, 2011 - 6:26PM

    Hypocracy is our life style. If moderate muslims know that local madrasah students have done it and its wrong too, then why don’t they close that madrassah or atleast stop funding it. They know whats being taught in these madrassahs and still they keep on supporting these institutions.. The students of madrassah have done nothing wrong, they are brain washed to do these things and who has paid their brain wash expenses, the locals who are protesting now. Shame on them (protestors).
    Army, police and other law enforcement agencies will not take any action, because their is no monetary, political or International condemnation involved in it. They will wait cancer to grow, so that someone from outside promises to pay expenses and rewards them on their action. Shame on them too.

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  • Pessimistic Paki
    Oct 9, 2011 - 6:33PM

    “A police official of the New Town
    Police Station, asking for anonymity,
    told The Express Tribune, “We were
    under strict instructions to do
    nothing.”

    So who was giving these instructions, the Punjab govt.?

    An interesting aside for readers supporting this type of ‘action’: for you folks old enough to do so, check any old photos of your grandmother……I seriously doubt she would be wearing a ‘Hijab’. So for the sake of argument, she too dressed ‘immodestly’, right?

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  • Oct 9, 2011 - 6:34PM

    another bothersome nuisancy……..can we gestate another Lal Masjid is in the making????????

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  • Pakistani
    Oct 9, 2011 - 6:36PM

    Well there are psychos who don’t even offer prayers themselves but want others to strictly follow Islamic Laws. I can bet they were the same people!

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  • Fake News
    Oct 9, 2011 - 6:50PM

    This seems a fake news. No one else reported it. My relatives live near satellite town, have NO information of this?

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  • JJ
    Oct 9, 2011 - 7:00PM

    To all liberals : Are you ashamed of SHARIA LAWS?
    The biggest problem in Pakistan is lack of ISLAMIC Laws and Ladeeniat. If the constitution of Pakistan (copy of British constitution) is replaced by Quran , Pakistan would become TRUE islamic country like Saudi Arabia. And see the results – Saudi Arabia is one of the richest muslim countries in the whole world. This is the power of Islam. So throw the garbage of liberalism and adopt true Sharia laws.
    Secondly, I never said beating girls was correct BUT I said the girls MUST follow ISLAMIC dress code. IT IS COMPULSORY. When Muslim women are fighting for HIJAB and SHARIA in France, why Pakistani women adopting westernization?

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  • Arjun
    Oct 9, 2011 - 7:04PM

    Reminds me of the Saudi muttawa.

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  • roomana
    Oct 9, 2011 - 7:08PM

    no such incident happen anywhere , authorities are trying to find the reporter so that such hoax can be controlled in future.

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  • Hashmi
    Oct 9, 2011 - 7:20PM

    Our media is projecting so much liberalism and secularism. That it seems as if these liberals have taken over Pakistan.

    This is in actual not the case. It is only a small section of the media that carry this thought.

    97% are true, moderate and God fearing Muslims, who know that peace and tranquility is only found in Islam alone. And that should be the system to rule our daily lives.

    When an extreme liberal and secular thought is promoted so aggressively in the media, then these raw young Madrissa students are bound to behave like this in repulsion.

    And these masked Madriaa students are equal in blame along with these secularists.Recommend

  • Ranjit
    Oct 9, 2011 - 7:23PM

    @Balochistan:
    You said – “Shame on them, O world please don’t judge them or associate them with the Islam. Down with taliban and terrorists”

    These sort of incidents are not just in Pakistan but also in so-called moderate Islamic countries like Malaysia and Indonesia. And regular feature in lawless, extreme Islamic countries like Somalia and Afghanistan. And also in pure, law-abiding Islamic countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia.

    If it is not Islam then what is it. For a non-muslim like me, it seems like all the dots are connecting real well to lead to root cause for such behaviour.

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  • American Desi
    Oct 9, 2011 - 7:25PM

    This just a shadow of strategic depth yet to come.

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  • Abu hamza
    Oct 9, 2011 - 8:02PM

    I propose that violence be met with violence. That is the only language they understand. I am ordering my ak-47. I suggest people who are disgusted by these animals do the same ie put them down .

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  • Oct 9, 2011 - 8:20PM

    Why were they wearing masks? Is it shame? Cowardice? Or maybe they’ve been reading too many Alan Moore comics?

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  • Richard
    Oct 9, 2011 - 8:25PM

    @Balochistan: Please then tell us what inspired the mob to do this deed? Were they non-religious secularists?

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  • Leila Rage
    Oct 9, 2011 - 8:32PM

    First of all, I’d just like to say how good it is to read so many comments from Pakistani people who vehemently condemn this action, and are opposed to this attitude of forcing everyone to adopt your version of religion. I applaud you all, from the bottom of my heart. It gives me such hope for the people of Pakistan!

    To all those people defending these actions (in particular Maddy Khan and JJ):

    Wake up! Today these people feel that those school girls were dressed “immodestly” because they didnt cover their heads, tomorrow the burqa won’t even be enough for them and they’ll confine women to their homes and eventually treat them as “nahoosat” and start committing female infanticide in the name of Islam saying that a woman’s whole existence is impure.
    Have you bothered to notice the girls’ school uniform in Pakistan? Its a long kameez and full shalwar with a dupatta. What’s so immodest about this dress code? They aren’t roaming around in revealing clothes like shorts or short skirts and nor is the loose shalwar kameez figure-revealing. The main thing about the Islamic dress code for women is that the clothes should not be figure revealing, and should cover them properly. The school uniform conforms to this code.
    The hijab is a matter of choice. Personally, I have read the Quran more than a 12 times and have never come across a verse that enjoins the hijab. There is an injunction to cover the chest “they should draw their veils over their bosoms ” (S. 24:31 Y. Ali), and to lower their gaze, and the cover the “sattar” chest, torso, arms, legs. If one doesn’t wear the hijab it isn’t immodest and nor is it indecent or “un-Islamic”. The verse that talks about a veil refers to the wives of the Prophet (SAW) so that other men wouldn’t look at them with impure intentions or an impure gaze. It was directed at the wives of the Prophet (SAW) to single them out from other women so people would know they weren’t ordinary ladies, hence it is a matter of choice to dress in a veil.
    I sincerely hope that one day these people beat you like they beat these young girls so that you may realise what monsters you’re siding with, and whom you believe are defending Islam.

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  • Surya
    Oct 9, 2011 - 8:46PM

    @Maddy Khan:
    Your name says it all “Maddy” and “Insane”..Do you mean to say Indian Muslims don’t have any Islamic Culture..If this barbarism is what you call as “islamic” then i don’t any sane person in this world would want that

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  • faraz
    Oct 9, 2011 - 8:50PM

    @Maddy Khan
    “But same should be done to every other citizen who protest against any injustice including those who protested in Punjab against load shedding.”

    So you think that a person’s right to wear clothes of his choice is injustice to others.

    “You have absolutely no right to take over Islam”

    But you have, and with rods

    “And stop fantasizing about that, as no matter how hard you try.. Pakistani girls are not going to walk naked in the streets in your life”

    Reductio ad absurdum. Now you are comparing school uniform wearing girls with nudism.

    “Bombed palestine, Iraq, afghanistan and Pakistan and killed thousands of families including children”

    What has goons attacking girls to do with Jews attacking Palestine.

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  • rational thinker
    Oct 9, 2011 - 8:59PM

    If i dont want to wear Hijab who the hell are you to order me? keep your religion to ur home u gay religious extremists+terrorists..

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  • ayesha
    Oct 9, 2011 - 9:01PM

    @simple_request:
    “Its a simple request please dress modestly”

    When you beat people up with iron rods, it does not amound to a request – simple or otherwise. It amounts to bullying.
    The notion of modestly may differ from the requestors to the recipients. The recipient (and most reasonable people) might feel that salwar kameez is modest enough but these beasts might not be satisfied by anyone less than hijaab.
    Hijaab is a cultural practice of Arabs NOT a requirement in the Quran that simply asks for modest dressing.

    I also find it shocking how many Likes are garnered by people who have justified such bestiality and that too in a garrison town of Rawalpindi.Recommend

  • Leila Rage
    Oct 9, 2011 - 9:04PM

    @Maddy Khan and JJ:

    Just wondering….
    Why don’t yoy guys immigrate to Saudi Arabia with your families? There women wear the burqa and the niqab and are only allowed to reveal one eye to see the way. I’m sure you would love it there! And then, when you differ with the Arabs over something, they can stuff their brand of religion down your throats like you’re trying to do to us. That would be so lovely wouldn’t it? Because the Arabs would welcome you with open arms, and the rest of us true Pakistani would love to get rid of the likes of you. Think about it!

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  • SJ
    Oct 9, 2011 - 9:27PM

    Who gave the right to these rats to impose their version of Islam on others??? Why cant they get one thing in their head ? All Muslims are answerable only to ALLAH SWT, not to these crazy fools who are trying to hijack islamic teachings .

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  • Khuram
    Oct 9, 2011 - 9:39PM

    Not that much surprising – it is same city where GHQ was attacked – a highly sensitive and guarded area, what to talk of a girls school..

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  • Usman Sherazi
    Oct 9, 2011 - 9:50PM

    In any other civilized society with proper writ of the law, this kind of a shameful, disgusting incident would been the lead story in all print and electronic media. However, judge for yourself. How many newspapers and channels have given it the due importance?? Heads should have rolled today. The top government officials and agencies must be held accountable for this kind of a gross negligence or for that matter, connivance.

    As an exptariat deeply saddened by the spiraling slide, deterioration being experienced by our institutions and the society, I am shocked over the fact that this incident did not take place in the lawless tribal belt, or in Afghanistan but in RAWALPINDI.
    Another proof how deeply entrenched the radicalisation is in Pakistan.
    Both the provincial/federal goverments must be held accountable.

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  • Anum
    Oct 9, 2011 - 10:21PM

    I don’t think there’s any hint of “law” left in the country. No one is safe.

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  • Aisha
    Oct 9, 2011 - 10:24PM

    @Maddy Khan:
    Why don’t you first please get your homework done on laws regarding beating of innocent underage, or of the age individuals for that matter, in Islamic Law before stating your extremist views.

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  • mingsing
    Oct 9, 2011 - 10:25PM

    what is more horrifying than the incident is the views of some people here who support it! are you even human?! who left you in charge to decide what is wrong and what is right?! fix yourselves first!

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  • Haider
    Oct 9, 2011 - 10:39PM

    @Dan: You shameful person, your attempts to malign our national army are disgusting. Nothing is more abhorrent to us then the Roman armies invading our lands and fomenting terrorism in them.

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  • Haider
    Oct 9, 2011 - 10:40PM

    @JJ: You shameful , this is not the way. You give Islam a bad name. Recommend

  • aiesh
    Oct 9, 2011 - 10:41PM

    A police official of the New Town Police Station, asking for anonymity, told The Express Tribune, “We were under strict instructions to do nothing.”

    That says it all.

    Now no action will be taken. And ike Lal Masjid, Swat incidents, this situation will keep boiling and will not be dealt with until it will just explode and will ruin normal people’s lives. This is outrageous. Unbelieveable.

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  • Fawad chaudhry
    Oct 9, 2011 - 10:48PM

    Majority of population like in any other country just bow before powerful,irony is extremists due to state sponsorship in the past have now established the myth that they are powerful so majority of population is just silently observing the tide. Unfortunately liberals have always proved themselves as fragmented mob of unwise people, after all who will dare to repeat Lal mosque what so called liberals and civil society did to Pervez Musharraf,they just left him on the mercy of extremist media and lawyers movement. And now it is proved beyond doubt that he was standing between Pakistan and chaos.

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  • Oct 9, 2011 - 10:50PM

    @PK Christian (Suhail):

    I agree. This is usually the case. But we rather take an ostrich like posture and pretend it’s not so. If this is the case we might as well surrender now to the mullah

    Stephen

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  • Ali Khan
    Oct 9, 2011 - 10:59PM

    @Maddy Khan: You are a superstar. Finally some sane voice. I completely agree with you.

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  • Anwar
    Oct 9, 2011 - 11:12PM

    Check for another Lal Masjid nearby.

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  • Richard
    Oct 9, 2011 - 11:12PM

    @Maddy Khan:
    Blockquote

    Blockquote> Their request is very innocent ““dress modestly and wear hijabs”. I wonder what is wrong about that as long as we are Muslims.Blockquote

    Blockquote

    “Requests” are not made by thrashing women and girls with iron rods. And can you explain why this “request” should even be made for women and girls inside a girls school?

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  • Ranjit
    Oct 9, 2011 - 11:17PM

    @Balochistan: You said – “Shame on them, O world please don’t judge them or associate them with the Islam. Down with taliban and terrorists”

    The house is burning and some people are worried about make-up

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  • Enigmatic desires
    Oct 9, 2011 - 11:28PM

    hairy barbarians barging into schools.. beating up little school girls.. Country wide strikes for the release of a convicted murderer..

    (sigh) its a good thing Jinnah died early… At least he did not live long enough to see his dream turn into the nightmare it has become

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  • Abhishek
    Oct 10, 2011 - 12:08AM

    @ Maddy Khan
    India needs more robots like u

    in pakistan.
    Amen
    Khuda Hafiz

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  • justice to be done
    Oct 10, 2011 - 12:14AM

    Seeds planted long before by our brotherly countries thru zia and madrassas are now fully grown trees with deep and strong roots of hatred and jayhaalat.

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  • JJ ka Abu
    Oct 10, 2011 - 1:09AM

    these maulvies are minorities, let’s invade their madrassah and throw these people out of pindi

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  • Tahir Ali
    Oct 10, 2011 - 1:18AM

    Shameful conduct.

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  • Bilal
    Oct 10, 2011 - 1:45AM

    WOWWWW ….. that would be the last thing I had ever imagined to happen.

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  • Tanya
    Oct 10, 2011 - 2:07AM

    and you can imagine the poor traumatized girls will never go back to school and can thank you for being the reason behined a geneartion of uneducated young women raising the children of our nation,
    Shame on you cowardly snakes that your sick mentalities led you to go and beat innocent little girls Recommend

  • MarkH
    Oct 10, 2011 - 2:24AM

    I believe it’s time for Pakistan to stop calling itself a democracy and then having people use it as an example of inferior design. It’s only a democracy as much as it has signed its name to the terms and conditions agreements of loan and assistance documents.

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  • Oct 10, 2011 - 2:26AM

    @jj and all other illiterate barbarians, you are no better than the 60 men who barged into the schools.. if you were then you would have known that HUMANITY is ISLAM!

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  • Richard
    Oct 10, 2011 - 2:29AM

    @Maddy Khan: Can you answer the following questions:

    What do you define as “dressing immodestly”?

    How do you know that these girls women were dressed “immodestly” (by your definition)?

    Was the standard or definition of “immodestly dressed” of these hooligans the same as your definition?

    How did these hooligans who entered the school know from beforehand that these women were dressed immodestly and how did you know?

    Is it Islamic for these male hooligans to enter a girls school?

    I am not Muslim, but you appear to be an expert in Islam, so could you please explain, what is worse in your religion – that girls and women are dressed so called “immodestly” inside a girls school or that a bunch of males forcibly enter that school and then proceed to beat up them up because they are not dressed “modestly” as per their standard?

    You replied to Pakistan First ““girls can wear anything they want” ::: LoL … i hope you will not join Nudists tomorrow and ask the world to walk naked in the malls while your mothers/daughter and sisters shop. And stop fantasizing about that, as no matter how hard you try.. Pakistani girls are not going to walk naked in the streets in your life. ” – Obviously Pakistan First meant inside a girls school or in the privacy of their homes. He did not say they would walk naked down the streets. I think if anyone was fantasizing it was those frustrated hooligans who attacked the girls. Pakistani girls may not walk naked down the streets but they would when they bathe in the privacy of their bathrooms. Should your self imposed morality police then enter forcibly and beat them up for being “immodestly dressed”? What is the difference between that and invading the privacy of a girls school?

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  • Raj
    Oct 10, 2011 - 3:04AM

    Still, Pakistan has ample time, the country is very young, increase the education budget is strongly recommended.

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  • Angela
    Oct 10, 2011 - 3:05AM

    Are you insane? You think it’s acceptable for school girls to be beaten by men with iron bars?? Shame on you!! @JJ:

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  • Syed Moeed Shah
    Oct 10, 2011 - 3:12AM

    Wait Pakistan.. Wait Until I Grow up.

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  • Faction
    Oct 10, 2011 - 5:48AM

    Somalia finally tarting to wake up: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/world/africa/in-rare-rally-somalis-protest-shabab.html?_r=1&hp. When will the rational people of Pakistan wake up and take to the streets in protest? How many more of your daughters beaten, your leaders slaughtered, your husbands, sons and fathers butchered by these maniacs before you act? How much more will it take for you to realize that these violent savages and their defenders in your midst are the scourge of humanity and the enemy of modern civilization? It doesn’t matter what they call themselves, or that they cloak their actions in Islam. See the evil for what it is and defeat it, before it’s too late.

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  • VW
    Oct 10, 2011 - 6:12AM

    The “miscreants” should also go into GHQ and beat up the Army people with iron rods for not wearing Islamic dress and beard.

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  • Sam
    Oct 10, 2011 - 7:31AM

    I guess JJ was just being sarcastic though Maddy K seems to be supporting such people.

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  • new poster
    Oct 10, 2011 - 8:09AM

    JJ and Maddy…

    I think if anything this is more justification to increase co-education so that boys learn how to respect girls from the beginning and both genders know to how to learn/work together.

    If you think that strict dress codes translate into true islamic values, THINK AGAIN. Just look to Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. I would take Turkey any day of the week over them.Recommend

  • Prometheus
    Oct 10, 2011 - 8:40AM

    The believers in a faith need to women to cover up so that “their” faith may grow stronger. Why is it that the Christians and the Jews follow the exact same values? Contrary to popular belief these have been derived from another. If one’s personal faith affects another’s rights then it is not “faith” but a political ideology.

    It is imperative that we the citizens of Pakistan speak out against such cowardly acts of terror, violence and suppression. We are quick to denounce America for carrying out drone strikes in Waziristan as it violates our “sovereignty” but the thousands of Jihadis illegally living in those areas does not merit the same?

    Ours is a society without any moral bearings. When I say this I do not mean an absolute morality fostered by religion but a morality based on reason. Let people do what they want as long as it does not violate the rights of another. No one has the right to tell me what to wear. My faith is my personal belief not a communal one. Recommend

  • J Oberoi
    Oct 10, 2011 - 8:56AM

    I think it is time Pakistan dropped the pretense and embraced “Sharia”. I think the only form of governance that will work there is an Islamic one. Eye for an eye and so on… Even if Islamic education doesn’t boost the economy, you can ask the Saudis to fund you.

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  • Danish
    Oct 10, 2011 - 9:26AM

    JJ and all ppl like JJ: THan don’t protest when countries like France ban the hijab and forcefully order women to remove their head scarves. That’s their right in the west to ‘enforce’ the dress code they feel is ‘right’.

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  • Saher
    Oct 10, 2011 - 9:44AM

    I dont understand how u can condone such an act on basis of the fact that Quran tells u to dress modestly. Of course it does but it doesn’t give free license to self claimed Muslims to go and beat-up anyone who they think doesn’t do it!!
    Ridiculous, and where does Islam tells muslims to hide their identity by wearing masks?? a ridiculous tradition of arabian bandits! Do these Muslims know how unlawful it is in Islam to hide your identity!..

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  • Usman
    Oct 10, 2011 - 9:58AM

    @Dan:
    Pak Army is not like the British and the American armies, where soldiers are social misfits and are not respected in their societies. We idolise our military, and we know who are those poeple who are always trying to tarnish it’s image. Try as you might, you can’t pull a ‘Libya’ on us.

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  • Observer
    Oct 10, 2011 - 9:58AM

    @Alsahdiq:

    “Islam never spread by coercion, extortion, violence or anything ugly like that.”

    Then you would agree that blasphemy and apostasy laws must be eliminated in Pakistan? If someone in Pakistan does not want to be a Muslim, would you be for or against imposing Jazia tax on him?

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  • Observer
    Oct 10, 2011 - 10:05AM

    @SW:
    You don’t need to struggle to coming up with numbers. Just see the Pew research poll. It shows that over 80% of Pakistanis want an Islamic state with strict Islamic laws like cutting off hands, stoning to death, killing apostates etc.

    As you conclude correctly, fundamentalist anachronistic edicts are supported by over 80% of Pakistanis.

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  • Khan
    Oct 10, 2011 - 10:34AM

    If you have the guts then show them. All the working women, school and college girls and their supporters should come out on streets and protest against such people. People should be allowed to preach their ideas but should not be allowed to force them.

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  • mubarik
    Oct 10, 2011 - 10:49AM

    @Tanya:
    These bearded thugs don’t want grils to be educated as educated grils don’t give birth to Taliban. To keep the supply of next generation of Taliban there should be lots of uneducated and ignorant mothers available.

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  • waqqas iftikhar
    Oct 10, 2011 - 10:56AM

    JJ – …saudi is not rich because of shariah..its rich because of something called….oil….apparently its very valuable..
    @maddy khan – women are supposed to dress ‘modestly’ in islam….there is no mention of a full-body covering or even ninja headgear…that you like to call a hijab….even in the prophet’s (PBUH) lifetime…women werent obligated to cover their heads….learn to differentiate between culture and religion pls..

    btw….these locos barging into a girls…doesnt that violate the mehram and na-mehram thing?….shouldn’t you talk a little bit about that too?

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  • ashok sai
    Oct 10, 2011 - 10:59AM

    Its a sin to be born as a female in Pakistan, I pity them really.

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  • Slaman
    Oct 10, 2011 - 11:02AM

    the plague of religion has destroyed our economy, our culture our peace of mind and our society. Yes the entire world hates us. There is Islam in Gulf, there is Islam in Iran, there is Islam in far-east but i don’t see much trouble there. they practicing their faith as well as they are progressing but the breed of Islam i see in Pakistan is worst then Nazism. It is becoming a danger for regional and global peace. I wish if i could run far away from these mentally and spiritually sick people :(

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  • Slaman
    Oct 10, 2011 - 11:08AM

    what is ur definition of Islamic? and who has given you and these criminals an authority to decide what is Islamic and Islamic? does Islam allow entering a female school and attack innocent children? this is not Islam this is jahilyat once propagated by Abu jehl. The Islam of Holy prophet(PBUH) is peace loving and it teaches people to invite others towards the way of lord through wisdom and knowledge.

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  • A.P.
    Oct 10, 2011 - 11:24AM

    All I have been preached about Islam, as a child, as it being a great religions which has justice, respect for others, liberalism, is being told to me is false. Now, I am told over and over again, with comments of these and other issues that Islam is insecure religion and wants to possess everything by force, not by humility and character which was presented by Prophet Mohammad.

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  • H-P Mian
    Oct 10, 2011 - 11:45AM

    If this was the real face of Islam, I would have converted to a different religion long time ago. Thank God it is not. This sick mentality has taken over the majority of the populace. Unless, there is a major paradigm shift in the people’s mind set, the path set by Ge.Zia-ul-Haq is going to lead Pakistan straight to Hell. These jokers who pretend to know the Holy Quran, and tell others to read it, should read it themselves. God clearly states in the Quran, that there is no compulsion in religion.

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  • KolachiMom
    Oct 10, 2011 - 12:00PM

    @Khan:
    The men should join in too you know… To support their wives, sisters and daughters. And, to show these sickos that REAL men stand BY their women, not beat them into submission.

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  • Jawed
    Oct 10, 2011 - 12:47PM

    Wear hijab.Those ordering it, first broke the girls’ purdah by entering an all girls campus and then asked them to go for purdah.Not simple and not difficult to catch the people behind those 60-70 miscreants.But……Hope it is not preparation of another Lal Masjid.

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  • Maddy Khan
    Oct 10, 2011 - 12:53PM

    No reports anywhere else about this incident raised my eyebrow over its authenticity and specially the way it was reported. I wish someone can verify and share the complete story.

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  • Oct 10, 2011 - 1:10PM

    Shocked to hear of the brutality! Who do these men think they are to go about laying a finger on children and students? NO Religion and NO law allows that. As a parent to a daughter myself, I would kill the man who even touches my daughter! If any one has a problem with the way a minor is dressing then tell the girl’s parents your concern.

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  • Junaid Dar
    Oct 10, 2011 - 1:21PM

    Though this is something Islamic but these people are not supposed to punish people on ther own. they are for sure not the right people and only creating panic in society and making people against Islam and Ulema e Haq. Wish such people be punished for the dirty acts they do. If they are so worried about the Islamic Culture thn they should atleast learn properly what they should and shouldn’t do on ther own.

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  • In Your Face!
    Oct 10, 2011 - 1:39PM

    @JJ:
    you root for the cowards who hide their faces and raid on innocnent children? is that the shariah you are talking about? If anyone would go to hell, the first in line will be these couriers of extremism. Pakistan was built as a democracy for all muslims – mostly moderates. Jinnah did not follow shariah, neither did Iqbal, nor did any other thinker, doer, and master-mind behind this so-called holier-than-thou sliced out piece of mess from the subcontinent – (the other pieces are not fairing better either.. however they don’t take upon their own children).Recommend

  • Ali Khan
    Oct 10, 2011 - 1:49PM

    I cant believe there are actually people who support what the criminals have done. And it was even more baffling to see 50 plus ‘recommendations’ to such hate comments.

    There is no hope for Pakistan if its own youth think like the maniacs who thrashed the girls, that is is acceptable as long as they’re ‘spreading the right message.’ !

    Actions speak louder than words. You cant preach Islam while abusing the very women whose rights you’re supposed to protect!

    What if it was YOUR sisters or niece or daughters to whom this has happened?

    Shame on you all.

    I live in Saudi by the way, its also an Islamic but modern society. You touch a woman here (let alone public beating) and the authorities will make sure you feel like you never born. THAT is respect!Recommend

  • Haroon Rashid Khan
    Oct 10, 2011 - 2:19PM

    No we do not want an Islamic state. We want a secular state fullstop

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  • R. Khan
    Oct 10, 2011 - 2:20PM

    Religion & State should never have been mixed by Zia ul Haq. Results are right in front of us.

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