General Kayani seeks to repair dented army pride

“Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani is working to repair”

The chief had more than a month and a half to repair the damage to his and instituion’s image. It is not a rocket science but the experts say that the sooner you stop lying, admit the mistake, apologize and tell the whole truth, the story would subside. On the other hand if one keeps making up the stories and does not come clean, people get more angry with the lies each day. If Kayani were my best friend I would give him this same advise. The sooner he comes clean the better it is for him, for army and for Pakistan. People are willing to forgive if one shows the remorse and apologizes for the lies and failure. Sir, the ball is still in your court, time to act.Recommend

People oftenly laugh about the extension of Chief of Army Staff who sought almost three years extension from political elite and left the country’s people in the hands of stalwarts having zero credibility, after seeing all this horrific situation it seems government exists nowwhere else. Shame democracy has no comparison with dictatorship where not only rulling elite rather opposition plays friendly character and displays collusion in the furtherance of personal objectives. Now it has been fully realized by the people that extension negates the principle of best selection among the army ranks and to impart an equall opportunity to the talented senior army officer is the dire need of time by this way only we can encounter the strenuous challanges globally as well as domestically.Recommend

“the experts say that the sooner you stop lying, admit the mistake, apologize and tell the whole truth, the story would subside”…Poor political insight…and give America just the opportunity it wants? Make PK appear the terrorist that it made Iraq appear as before the 2004 Armageddon it unleashed? Pakistan is buying time, whilst you seem to be taking jabs at the global hourglass,,,Recommend

@ Mirza,

The fact of the matter is the deep involvement of Americans in Pakistan. Hussain Haqqani issued 7000 visas without clearance from the security apparatus and in the garb landed the most dangerous CIA agents who planted local moles and stabbed Pakistan in its back while we were cosy with their friendship. The fault was too much of goodwill.
Kiyani is not hiding anything to be told, infact he has been the most grieved person. Please do not run down your institutions as the Indians or Americans will not come to defend your borders. Your daily negative comments are a real pleasure for the enemies of Pakistan. *Its your choice which side you stand.*Recommend

More shame is awaited to expand defence ties with Butcher regime of Bahrain.Recommend

If Kiyani need the support of Pakistani People then he and others GENERALS should show them seleves as Paki Army not to make them selves USA Army to protect the USA and killing its own People for getting US dollars.. Pakistani General should learn to live with Diginity and Pride but its seems they lost all values just like Pakistan Courrput politicians did for the DOLLARS….. Army life should like a Mujhaid not like to live in luxury house and travel in luxury Mercides………… They all should understnad and take care of wishes of Poor and orindary Pakistani People otherwise they will be on loosing sides to lost the support fm their own People………….. enough is enough ………..Recommend

What did our Army achieve that its Image gets dented? Every war it fought, is lost (the last one being Kargil). & had anyone been held accountable? How many have been courtmarshalled?
Our Army is unable to fight even the Taliban that it helped create at the behest of the Taliban. We are told that our one soldiers equals 10 Indian soldiers & yet we are nowhere close to winning the war against the Taliban. When our General says “We broke their back”, they break our P3C Orions in our base. We remind the Talibs to kick when you cant fight them?
Why fight when they are sure they wont win? Let our Army run the bakeries, marriage halls, real estate, Golfcourses, steel mills, while every Talib or US Helicopters swoop in to the Army Base to capture their most wanted.
Our Army/ISI Hall of Fame:
1. Wars (1948, 1965, 1971, Kargil), Losing half the country,
2. Military Dictatorship (Ayub, Gen Zia, Mush etc),
3. Recent events (Bhutto killings, Lal Masjid, OBL & Abbottabad Raid, GHQ Raid, PNS Raid, 26/11, Journo`s killings, Marriot Killings).

To all these events, No One has been Arrested and Convicted by any court. Our Policy of Strategic Depth has killed more Pakistanis than our Enemies.
Ofcourse, our politicians also lack vision and fare slightly better than Army, that they didnt half the country. My heart bleeds for the country & Jinnah would have tears in his eyes had he been alive.Recommend

Why is there anger within the Military? If top leaders seek extension and cling to their posts in spite of performing their jobs miserably, avenue of promotion for competent officers down the line is automatically blocked. Where is the question of pride when large areas are out of bound for citizens, militants have a free run and thousands of citizens lives are prematurely snatched. Please tell me whether it is a matter of pride or sorrow. Pride will surge when terrorist networks are dismantled, their leaders eliminated and safe havens neutered.Recommend

@ Aftab

“Instead repairing pride, he should repair the Army itself!”

On what basis did you commented such a ridiculous remark.People like you have prejudice against army.Before using such remarks,we must consider that a whole lot of jawans,officers that are dying for their motherland on just a call of duty in Northern and western regions.Its just a loose talk from your side.Never blame others for the follies one certain individual.We all know our weaknesses, nobody’s perfect, so better start realizing it from now onwards otherwise it would be too late to repair damages at national level.I hope you got my point.

May ALLAH bless our country (Ameen)Recommend

@Akthar:
Mr. Akhtar and others, well, well well! Perhaps you need to have a relook at the pages of history. I don’t know under what comprehension you say we lost in 1948, 1965 and (or) Kargil? Yes, we did in 1971 and so did Napolean the great, Ceasar, the US in Vietnam, Russia in Afghanistan, Turkish Empire and top of all the Muslims at Uhad. Hold your horses! The difference between an illeterate and you should speak through your opinions. There are difficult times in the history of every nation. It would only emerge victorious if time spent is on rectifying the flaws not adding the fuel to the fire. Perhaps we need to put in the best at individual end instead of pointing fingers at others, without a valid knowledge of certain things. Only then can we rise to become a ‘nation’. We still have our leaders yelling in public about “rights of Punjab” Balochis”, Sindh card”, etc etc.
Pakistan is to stay and live, inshallah.Recommend

Truth is the only way to save the day and also save us from anything happening in the future of same sort.Recommend

Aslam, Dont know what makes you think those who criticize the Army or Politicians want our country to die. The trouble with people like you is living in delusion, you would think you know everything and others are ignorant of everything.
1. If some people are yelling at the rights of "Baluchis or others”, its a good sign. Give Baluchis development and human rights in return for retracting their demand for separation or face the Bangladesh situation. Do a national debate instead of hiding under the carpet.
2. Was there an enquiry after the Kargil or other debacles? Who has been punished? wheres the accoutability? What did we learn? Will we ever learn?
3. Dont we have any capable Generals? Why should the Generals keep getting extentions?
4. Is it necessary to keep Golf Courses, Business Ventures, BMW`s for Generals?
5. Will we ever know what happened at PNS? Will we ever be told the truth? If we dont learn, the history repeats itself.
6. Our soldiers are dying in the northwest & our politicians / Generals dont even know whose war we are fighting!
7. Do you know how much it costs to live a comfortable life in UK? from where did Musharraf (General) get so much money to live a comfortable life? Is it possible for one to live in UK with savings from ones salary in Pakistan?

Am afraid that Delusional People like you who are not even willing to even see the stark realities will result in demise of my country.

Please, what i want is Accountability! For every Life lost and every rupee of my country.Recommend

The participants of the conclave of praetorian guards must laugh at items such as this one. Pride is for the birds who don’t have anything else. What is there for us to worry about? All is well.Sub theek hi to haey. In fact is sey pehley itna acha kabhi na tha. Hum sub ke lieay. The value of our plots in various housing colonies built by us are doing very well, alhamdolillah and the commercial plots there are doing even better. The farmhouse plots are also doing well. On superannuation, scores of acres of prime farm land eagerly await each one of us. With all this as solace, toiling away, to supplement our meager pensions, after retirement in the welfare corporate trenches will not be so painful or backbreaking.Recommend

…the loss of pride has come from within and not because of US military attacks on 2nd May. Firstly, the army has to stop acting like a company/corporation and go back to its roots of a service provider. Secondly, it is high time the army let of of its hyped and good-for-nothing self-praise and pride….pride should not have been there in the first place, now if its dented, it should be removed and not re-inforced instead. The institution of army is no different from doctors, engineers, other professionals serving the nation, yet, none of these service providers have bloated egoes like the faujis. Thirdly, Gen. Kiyani’s job is not in any danger, he’s already on extension, max the extension will be reversed. Big Deal!!! Ah and lastly, this piece of writing makes him sound like a mochi trying to repair a broken shoe….lost/dented pride can only be repaired through genuine hard labour/work and not be playing politics!Recommend

@Mirza:
Dr Mirza, I salute you for your upright and honest analysis of various ills facing Pakistan. You are the true patriot of your country and those who critcise you are ignorant and trying in vain to hide the truth which is known to the whole world. Pakistan in medical terms is on dangerously ill list therefore people of this country must accept this reality rather than remain in the mode of continues denial which will further deteriorate its condition.

Gen Kayani should not be merely trying superficially improving the dented image of the military but seriously review the self destructive policy on terror organisations which is paying no dividends but bleeding Pakistan to its slow and painful death.Recommend

we are always with our army go pak army (not jamat islami wala go)Recommend

@syed Imran: Cant you see, every single person here commenting is indian. The world’s most hypocrite of the hypocrite nation comes in with Pakistani names and comment to make a thinking that everybody is against. for you the imbecile indians, its only a handful of the 180million who access ET, you may play your hypocricy here you cant play them all.Recommend

@syed Imran:

Where did Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani lied to
the nation.

So all these lies form Navy chief, ISPR and unnamed sources from ISI are without Kiyani’s consent?Recommend

Throw out CIA like you are doing. Dont worry about the international policy of maligning army. World already laughs at US govt.Recommend

@Aslam

You don’t know the basics of warfare. Wars are fought to achieve certain objectives. Strategy is formulated to achieve those objectives. The entire purpose of war revolves around those objectives. The army which takes the offensive tries to achieve the objectives, and the defending sides tries to prevent the other side from achieving those objectives. Casualties or scale of destruction don’t matter. For example, US lost in Vietnam despite killing over 2.5 million. Russia lost in Afghanistan although it threw the country back into the Stone Age.

Pakistan started the war in 1948, 65 and 99 to achieve certain objectives, India prevented Pakistan from achieving those objectives, therefore, we lost the war. In 1971, India started the war and achieved its objectives, therefore, it won the war.Recommend

Frankly — I am glad the USA caught and killed OBL – if that was embarrassing for Pakistan that’s just tough. Should the Pakistani army be embarrassed – you bet – but for allowing OBL to live comfortably within Pakistan not for not preventing the USA from executing a special operation.Recommend

I believe in army who are angry at Gen. Kayani have different reasons. If General loses whole country, they still won’t mind if their job and perks remain intact. Many middle level officers are angry at Kayani, not because of USA raid on OBL hideout or partnership with USA in war against terrorism. Similar actions were taking place long before Kayani’s leadership. They are angry because Kayani is not allowing them to kill civilian goverenment. They feel their rights are breached when they watch corrupt polticians making money. This government is so corrupt and incapable, army could have sent them packing in first six months but its Kayani who is standing between army and corrupt politicians. Hundreds of majors and colonels retire each year without enjoying the perks of martial law and none of them is getting any suitable job in private sector after retirement. When they compare themselves with those who retired in Zia and Musharaf era, they feel themselves paupers.
I am afraid to become popluar, Kayani will succumb to the pressure..Recommend

Lets see what he will do to restore the Pride; “STOP THE DRONE ATTACKS ON PAKISTAN” or more easily “THREATEN THE MEDIA TO KEEP QUIET ON PAK ARMY’S INABILITIES”Recommend

@Capt. Ali:

Cant you see, every single person here
commenting is indian.

I am not Indian and this is the propaganda that is fed to you army lots. Most likely you were also told we won all wars, except we didn’t, and lost all except may be 65′s war. Enough of this military dictating the civilians what to think and what to do otherwise being called as Indian or an Indian agent. We don’t need any certificates of patriotism from you lot who only exist because of our sacrifices to feed you from out taxes.Recommend

General Kayani is a Soldier’s Soldier. We as a Nation should be standing behind our Valiant Forces without any shadow of doubt. Lest we forget, the U S of A, was established on the brutal massacre of the Natives, in front of which the holocaust should fade. It has the unique honor of devastating the Japanese people with two atom bombs, it criminally carpet bombed the Vietnamese, sprayed chemicals which to date produce crippled children. On fabricated lies it invaded Iraq, resulting in the massacre of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Itself, it is the largest creator and sponsor of terrorism. Israel’s Prime Minister gets standing ovations for crimes against Humanity, its 1967 occupied territories are supported with Military and Civilian Aid, but when Saddam invades Kuwait, The Largest Supporter of “Human Rights” gangs up the whole world to pounce on it. Hilary Clinton owns up the creation of the ‘Taliban’,
and yet we suffer from this scourge.
America will go to any lengths for its “National Interest”, and they don’t even mince any words about it.
It is time we wake up from our slumber. We should support our Armed Forces and foil the evil designs of our enemies.Recommend

@ Capt. Ali
would you mind answering some of the points raised by Akhter above?Recommend

@ all indians. Still its my country and my stuff. You dont have a reason to be here. Hypocrites as we all know you. What makes you indian creeps so authentic on everything?Recommend

@faraz:
India was never an aggressor friend not even in 1971. The following is the quote from Wikipedia:

“On the evening of 3 December Sunday, at about 5:40 p.m., the Pakistani Air Force (PAF) launched a pre-emptive strike on eleven airfields in north-western India, including Agra which was 300 miles (480 km) from the border.
This preemptive strike known as Operation Chengiz Khan, was inspired by the success of Israeli Operation Focus in the Arab-Israeli Six Day War.”Recommend

Pakistan army generals should stop lying and tell the truth. Accept mistakes and correct yourself. Do not consider yourself above the Pakistan law. You always hide the facts by saying it is security concern. I agree there are security concerns but not always.
Respond to the situation as soon as possible with facts it is good for your.
Are we proud of our army? — YES, about generals — ??? for some and YES for others. Change yourself so we will be proud of you too.

And do not consider the one who point the finger on you is agent of other countries.Recommend

@syed Imran:
The Americans got the recording of the assembly’s “secret procedings” that you mentioned as apology. How about the peopel of Pakistan who pay for all these govt servanst be told the truth, the sooner the better? Sitting on the truth or keeping it hidden is not telling the truth. I think there is not much of a difference in both of us are saying here. My statement that you quoted is a general adavise that experts give to anybody who is involved in such situation. Half truths and hiding facts from the nation and public is not telling the truth. There would be no problem if they tell the public and that I have told you the whole truth. People are very open minded and when they can forgive lots of things they can forgive the mistakes if any and the whole discussion would be over.

Bill Clintion was impeached for not telling the truth. After he told the truth on TV and apologized, the majority forgave him for finally coming clean. The NY congressman kept lying and hiding the truth about his actions on the Net. Only after he told the truth and apologized and resigned, he was forgiven by the elctorate and the whole discussion ended. I can coninue giving the exmples. The idea is to show remorse and shame in public otherwise an aplogy in secret to their own cronies is no apology. If the proceedings were not kept from the public and come out in bits and pieces, this discussion would have been over. Other foreign powers already have the recordings of those.

Enough on this topic. I guess I was expecting a lot by suggesting them to come out in the open and tell the nation that “I have told you the truth if they have already done that, or this is the truth” and be done with. If they remain secretive, truth would keep coming out in bits and pieces from all the other sides and create more doubts. Thanks and regards,
MirzaRecommend

The tragic part of history was acceptance of Army as the only saviour of Pakistani nation. General Zia filled Army with an idea that did not belong to vibrant society living in Lahore, Karachi or Rawalpindi, but the same idea, initially crept deep into the minds of Army and rural masses, also adopted by intellectuals as well. Wars have never been remedy of contentious issues. Hardening stance in the name of religion and ethnicity have always caused havoc and no country can survive on such flimsy ideas.It generates instability in it own backyard. Democracies avoid wars at all costs – with neighbours as also with its own citizenry. Army should be divested of all functions which are the responsibility of Government. Army should be directed to defend country only. It must be the Government’s responsibility to repair the image of Army. In Pakistan, it is Army who is responsible for the country’s well being. Unelected and unelectable can never be responsible and if people think otherwise, it is their fault. Don,t we see how a Military General of a democratic country like India can misuse his position by acquiring flat in a housing society at Mumbai that was meant for martyrs of Kargil conflict. Pakistan’s image will get a boost if Geelani Saheb performs and not Kayani Saheb.Recommend

@faraz:
1948 and 1965 were victories for Pakistan, 1971 was a defeat and 1999 was a tie….FYIRecommend

Will somebody enlighten me by a single historical reference (other than which is emanating from Pakistan) which suggests India was aggressor against Pakistan in any Indo-Pak conflict 1948, 1965, 1971, Siachin, Kargil etc.?Recommend

@What….????
I am sorry for the quoting Wikipedia. What sources you trust. Believe me that any source emanating from Pakistan is totally unreliable.
Check yourself from “few” Non-Indian and Non-Pakistani sources and try drawing a conclusion yourself.Recommend

@ Nadeem Ahmed
@ Faisel Hafeez..
ISPR GuysRecommend

@Capt. Ali:
Every thing is not lost, if the lesson is learnt.
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Pakistan is a bad looser ! They never learn any lesson with all those loads and loads of losses …
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Also by distorting history or suppressing facts about the humiliation your nation suffered in all those battles and wars, you army deprived them to learn from the history ..
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Those you don’t learn from the history are doomed to repeat it … this deprive your countrymen from learning and getting into false pride …Recommend