CIA informants: Up to 40 people detained nationwide

Published: June 15, 2011

A policeman is seen keeps guard outside the compound where al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was killed in Abbottabad May 3, 2011. Pakistani intelligence agency has arrested up to 40 people believed to have been working with the CIA. PHOTO: REUTERS

WASHINGTON: Up to 40 people had been rounded up across Pakistan including an army major of the medical corps, for aiding and abetting the CIA operation against Osama bin Laden in early May. While US defence secretary Gates dismissed the story as “real world we deal with.”

In a report published by the Washington Post, security personnel on condition of anonymity revealed that between 35 -40 people had been picked up by intelligence agencies across Pakistan for facilitating the CIA for the May 2 US raid that resulted in Osama bin Laden being killed in his Abbottabad villa.

Sources said that an army major, who lived next doors to bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Maj. Amir Aziz, and four other people, including peasants who till the surrounding agricultural land had not been seen since shortly after the May 2 incident.

Robert Gates, who is due to step down as the Defence Secretary to make way for Leon Panetta, was answering questions at a Capitol Hill hearing. He was asked by Dem. Sen. Patrick Leahy regarding the accusations that Pakistan was cracking down on CIA informants. Though Gates did not overtly confirm the reports, he suggested that Pakistan and US relations were not exactly copacetic, saying that “most governments lie to each other,” that spying on each other was  ”real world we deal with.”

Army denies Major among those arrested

Pakistan Army on Wednesday denied news reports that a Major was among five CIA informants arrested by the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

“There is no army officer detained and the story is false and totally baseless,” said a Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) press release.

Earlier, a report in The New York Times stated that the ISI had arrested five CIA informants who fed information to the US spy agency before the raid last month which killed Osama bin Laden.

One of the detainees was reported to be a Pakistani Army major whom officials said copied license plates of cars visiting the al Qaeda leader’s compound 30 miles northwest of Islamabad.

The fate of the CIA informants arrested in Pakistan is unclear, the newspaper reported, citing American officials.

Outgoing CIA Director Leon Panetta raised the issue of the informants’ detention during a trip to Islamabad last week where he met with Pakistani military and intelligence officers, the newspaper said.

Some in Washington see the arrest as another sign of the deep disconnect between US and Pakistani priorities in the fight against extremists, the Times reported.

The United States kept Islamabad in the dark about the May 2 raid by Navy SEALs until after it was completed, humiliating Pakistan’s armed forces and putting US military and intelligence ties under serious strain.

Last week, at a closed Senate Intelligence Committee briefing, Deputy CIA Director Michael Morell rated Pakistan’s cooperation with the United States on counterterrorism operations a “three” on a scale of 1 to 10, the Times reported, citing officials familiar with the exchange.

Other officials cautioned that his comments did not represent the administration’s overall assessment, the newspaper said. “We have a strong relationship with our Pakistani counterparts and work through issues when they arise,” CIA spokesman Marie Harf told the newspaper.

“Director Panetta had productive meetings last week in Islamabad. It’s a crucial partnership, and we will continue to work together in the fight against al Qaeda and other terrorist groups who threaten our country and theirs.”

Asked about the Times report, a CIA spokeswoman neither confirmed nor denied it and said she had no further comment.

Pakistan’s Ambassador to the United States, Husain Haqqani, was quoted as saying that the CIA, and the Pakistani spy agency “are working out mutually agreeable terms for their cooperation in fighting the menace of terrorism. It is not appropriate for us to get into the details at this stage.”

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Reader Comments (76)

  • Thinking
    Jun 15, 2011 - 10:12AM

    When will the ISI learn that you can’t bite the hand that feeds you.Recommend

  • Naveed
    Jun 15, 2011 - 10:12AM

    incomplete news Recommend

  • Billoo Bhaya
    Jun 15, 2011 - 10:16AM

    I suspected that the Army must have been involved in protecting OBL and then collecting the reward of $50million. Informants are all over the country. Pakistan is like a sieve, you cannot shut it down. If you want to start, then start with all the people in Wikileaks volunteering information on a grand scale. Start with the President and the Leader of the Opposition. Then work your way down. Recommend

  • Watchman
    Jun 15, 2011 - 10:17AM

    treason???Recommend

  • SK
    Jun 15, 2011 - 10:23AM

    so now Americans are “leaking” more info suggesting ISI was hiding OBL- what a game Americans are trying to play in maligning ISI. ISI is no saint org either but American designs are more ill-intentioned than ISI’s misadventuresRecommend

  • Khalid Rahim
    Jun 15, 2011 - 10:25AM

    I wonder how the grand prize of twenty five million dollars was distributed to the informants
    or Uncle Sam decided to treat them with contempt and informed the concerned agency to
    patch up for the brawl caused by May02 operation. Recommend

  • Mirza
    Jun 15, 2011 - 10:26AM

    OBL was not there. It were all Americans lies. He cannot be in an army base. It is to malign the armed forces of Islamic Republic of Pakistan, blah blah blah.
    If that was a big lie then why do we have funeral prayers for him? Why are these people who actually are heros being arrested? These guys did the right and honorable thing to get the world’s biggest terrorist eliminated. These heros should be rewarded and not punished. In fact the real criminals were the people who were protecting OBL for so long. Recommend

  • vasan
    Jun 15, 2011 - 10:28AM

    Double game within a double game.Recommend

  • H
    Jun 15, 2011 - 10:31AM

    finally some good news.

    In addition it our security forces and we have every right to stop leakage of information to any country… its crazy that the US is publicly criticizing us for doing that. Recommend

  • Jun 15, 2011 - 10:32AM

    I dont get it.. ISI ‘knew’ OBL was there and thus has arrested informants who leaked the info?Recommend

  • ashok sai
    Jun 15, 2011 - 10:41AM

    Arrest is for, ‘Why didn’t you inform us first ?’ or else ‘Why did you reveal the secret to them ?”Recommend

  • Asim+Ali
    Jun 15, 2011 - 10:47AM

    We can safely assume that the major will now start his property business very soon. Recommend

  • sam
    Jun 15, 2011 - 10:55AM

    if the arrested are guilty.. they should be trailed for treason… any such information should ahve been shared with pakistani intelligence… Recommend

  • Ashok
    Jun 15, 2011 - 11:07AM

    I wonder what is going to happen to this US Pakistan relationship, and where it will lead…Recommend

  • OBL
    Jun 15, 2011 - 11:15AM

    @sam…Completely agree. Such informations should have been shared with pakistani intelligence first so that they can arrange for safe passage.
    Our only true export material is getting badly hit by such traitors.Recommend

  • Zak
    Jun 15, 2011 - 11:26AM

    @sam:
    You missed the vital part “officials said copied license plates of cars visiting the al Qaeda leader’s compound”. This guy couldn’t know who and where to go. Besides US$5 Million isn’t a small amount!Recommend

  • Akthar
    Jun 15, 2011 - 11:32AM

    Why cant our Army/ISI come up with facts to the people? Dont the people deserve to know the facts? Why can`t the Army/ISI comeout as to what happened at PNS Mehran?
    We the people will just live our whole lives in conspiracies and delusions. Political Leaders or Army or the Judiciary are all the same and we cannot trust anyone. Anyone.. :(

    Sad, really sad!Recommend

  • Jun 15, 2011 - 11:35AM

    high treason.Recommend

  • stop madrassa education i know the truth
    Jun 15, 2011 - 11:36AM

    foolishness at its highest level

    why dont arrest insiders who lead to naval mehran

    or who give house to most hated person on earth osamaRecommend

  • Feroz
    Jun 15, 2011 - 11:37AM

    To cover up one lie you have to eventually tell a thousand. Except for a few gullible citizens nobody bought the story that authorities in Pakistan did not know about OBL’s whereabouts. Why should a Major be arrested for spilling the beans on the criminal associations of the Pakistan Military. It is the COAS and DG of ISI who should have been cashiered and court martialed for misleading and bringing disrepute to the country. The primary reason for reducing CIA imprint in the country is not so noble as to regain sovereignty, it is solely to put a lid on the exposure of Military’s double dealings and atrocities committed against own citizens including journalists.Recommend

  • ali
    Jun 15, 2011 - 11:38AM

    It confirms of a wide ranging gulf between USA and Pakistan at key issues especially at War against terrorism.
    OBL was the most wanted person of the world – common perception at home is that he was given this status by USA – but the fact of matter is that OBL was declared as the most dangerous terrorist by the UN Security Council pursuant to 9 / 11 tragedy. The same UN resolution justifies the presence of International Security Assistance Force (ISAAF) predominated by the US Army at Afghan soil.
    This difference of opinion is also visible between Political leadership and the military brass at the visible stance adopted by the both at OBL issue, immediately after May 2 counter terrorism operation. An article written by President Zardari – that appeared in international media- followed by the PM Gilliani’s statement – were the correct steps as damage control measures.
    However, the subsequent steps by the Army General especially by Army Chief and ISI head – to call for a joint session of Parliament – were reflective of peculiar tunnel like approach by the military leadership i.e., not to be blamed to Pak Army generals only as it is a global phenomena. This tunnel like approach by the military leadership bars them to think beyond their spheres of interest – may it be a battalion, division, Corps or for that purpose “The Army”.
    Military leadership has to rise beyond their personal egos and do away their redundant philosophy of fetching the strategic depth – they had been looking for the past 30 years – in Afghanistan.
    It’s a global world; Pakistan cannot afford remain isolated in the world community, especially for trade and economic interests of the country. Military leadership has to redefine their role in the country’s domestic / external policy making in the larger National interest.
    The information leading to the killing of most wanted person of the world – declared by the UN – is no punishable crime though it has brought understandable embarrassment / humiliation to the one enjoying their perks and privileges by virtue of the un- precedent extensions.
    The point to understand is that if a major – who must be a retired one – could furnish information to CIA leading to OBL killing , then what the hundreds of colonels and majors and many brigadiers / generals were doing while serving for ISI?
    Should we even now believe Pasha’s stance in the Parliament that it was an intelligence failure?
    People are no fools; they need no confirmation as the action dictates the meanings and are sometimes louder that the words.
    Should we think that the informers have been detained / shall be punished for leaking an ISI’s secret ? Recommend

  • sars
    Jun 15, 2011 - 11:45AM

    i think the informants believed that the information would go the same way as that on “bomb making factories” in waziristan.The concerened parties would have long gone and left a thank you note.Recommend

  • Raza
    Jun 15, 2011 - 12:01PM

    @Mirza:
    Even though I think that OBL was a terrorist and was killed rightly so……
    what i have a problem with is that these people could have told our own military the people whom they work for where he was…….
    if today such people are rewarded than tomorrow another person will hand over our national secrets to other countries…..
    What they did was right or wrong doesnt matter this leaking of information to other countries must stop…..Recommend

  • Ba ha
    Jun 15, 2011 - 12:06PM

    If its time to clean up start with the embassy in washingtonRecommend

  • naveed afridi
    Jun 15, 2011 - 12:13PM

    our armed forces are filled with islamic fascists who have actively supported the various religious terrorist organisations in carrying out horrific attacks on our soil.A deradicalisation programme is needed to be carried out to erase the harm done by zia’s islamisation campaign.
    the loyalties of our armed forces should be with pakistan first and for all. religion,ethnicity only comes later.We are Pakistanis first,muslims second.Recommend

  • Generally kuch Kiyanahi
    Jun 15, 2011 - 12:16PM

    The ISI will not spare anybody who was responsible for the destruction of their most important “Strategic Asset”. We are building an underground safe haven under the GHQ to protect high-profile “strategic assets” in the future. Recommend

  • Zara Khan
    Jun 15, 2011 - 12:27PM

    Were these serving or retired army personnel?Recommend

  • Iftikhar-ur-Rehman
    Jun 15, 2011 - 12:39PM

    The major and the the other traitors should be tried for TREASON and should be given the punishment the TRAITORS deserve , i.e DEATH PENALTY!!!. America or any other country would do the same to its traitors. Recommend

  • mehsud
    Jun 15, 2011 - 12:54PM

    AMERICA WILL SEND PAK TO STONE AGERecommend

  • Khaliullah
    Jun 15, 2011 - 1:10PM

    @Thinking:
    But that typical of every muslimRecommend

  • mehsud
    Jun 15, 2011 - 1:18PM

    people will beat the hell of pasha and isi

    the stupids will send there families also to stone age

    america patience getting overRecommend

  • Haha!
    Jun 15, 2011 - 1:32PM

    buahaha i love the mindset of ET and its readers – crap! luckily they present only 5% of the population of Pakistan. Lovin it!

    u ppl can do nothing – enjoy makin fun of your institutions,coz thats all you can do!!!Recommend

  • Jun 15, 2011 - 1:38PM

    so what does it mena? the army and ISI new about Osama and they were keeking him as a state guest, so one of their major informed CIA.Recommend

  • ashok sai
    Jun 15, 2011 - 1:44PM

    I think the arrested will be punished for ‘causing revenue loss for the military establishment’ !!!Recommend

  • Fahd Shah
    Jun 15, 2011 - 2:25PM

    Obama has paid 50 million US Dollars to the Pakistan Media for its support.
    Has anybody read this…….!!!
    Does anybody know about this…..!!!
    This is the reason media is showing what America wants us to see about Pakistan….!!!
    do you know that after every 30 seconds a girl is raped in US….!!!
    There are places where men have girls as their slaves…..!!!
    There are places where you cant go after sunset as the gangs will rob, rape and murder you…!!!
    but there is nothing like this in Pakistan……!!!
    even then if a hen dies in Pakistan its on the news… Pak army or ISI has killed a CIA hen.
    You all are talking on as what you have seen on media…..!!!
    Pakistan channel GEO reported that Hyderabad incident murderer was Pakistani and lived in a village ABC….. later many visited that place and no one knew the person there… it was just a game played on the right time.
    May Allah help Pakistan…… AmeenRecommend

  • Arslan
    Jun 15, 2011 - 2:31PM

    @Billoo Bhaya:
    Oh yeah dude, an Army whose budget is rising needs so much $50million that it will hide world’s most wanted terrorist.
    I mean, it so makes sense that I wonder why it wasn’t used as an argument by ->intelligent<- analysts.
    Tussi great ho.Recommend

  • Explorer
    Jun 15, 2011 - 2:38PM

    “There is never a dull moment in Pakistan”, guffawed Gen. Musharraf recently. Unfortunately, the country in living up to it, The twists and turns in the OBL episode will beat even a La Carre plot. Recommend

  • Jun 15, 2011 - 3:10PM

    why does ISPR lie so much ?Recommend

  • Aslam Mahaboob
    Jun 15, 2011 - 3:26PM

    I wonder what happened to OBL’s, al-queda’s & Taliban’s informants? Were they also arrested?Recommend

  • Farukh Sarwar
    Jun 15, 2011 - 3:57PM

    Don’t get into the details, and don’t ask questions. This is not at all satisfactory. Governance is nowhere to be seen. People are getting killed, and we’ll stick to the notion of not getting into the details.Recommend

  • Cautious
    Jun 15, 2011 - 4:16PM

    Classic Pakistan — instead of giving these guys awards for helping in the capture of the most wanted terrorist on the planet you put them in jail. Recommend

  • ali
    Jun 15, 2011 - 4:37PM

    @SK:
    ISI is not a sacred that US should try to malign, I disagree with you.Recommend

  • Humanity
    Jun 15, 2011 - 4:40PM

    @mehsud wrote AMERICA WILL SEND PAK TO STONE AGE

    Wrong. Pakistan has sent Pakistan to stone age.Recommend

  • Jun 15, 2011 - 4:45PM

    @mehsud:
    Nope. Not evil enough. Give us more credit than that. I like the idea of the forced-slavery building the pyramids era for you better.

    Growl. Snarl. Monster noise.Recommend

  • mahmood
    Jun 15, 2011 - 5:04PM

    Seems like Pakistan has spent a great amt of effort in finding and punishing those that assisted in the capture of OBL but zero effort in finding and punishing those that were complicit in hiding OBL. No doubt it’s something the American’s and the rest of the World have taken note of – it’s a wonder that the Pakistani people haven’t.Recommend

  • Babloo
    Jun 15, 2011 - 5:21PM

    10 Rules , You must not forget :

    A.The purpose of the state of Pakistan is protection, preservation and prosperity of the ‘establsihment’, who alone define ‘supreme national interest’.
    B.OBL was housed in Abottabad in supreme national interest.
    C.Haqanni-brothers of Taleban are protected in supreme national interests
    D.Reporter Saleem Shehzad , commited suicide , in supreme national interests
    E.Mullah Omar , is working for Pakistan, in supreme national interests’
    F.Enimity with India, is in supreme national interest
    G.Lashker-E-Toiba is a state designated charitable organization which acts to protect supreme national interest
    H.Extra judicial killings, disappearences, are all in supreme national interest
    I.Pakistan exists for ‘supreme ummah interests’ and Saudi Arabia defines it.
    J.Afridi’s No Objection Certificate, re-instated, in supreme national interest.

    If you object to anything I have said, you are in gross violation of supreme national interests.Recommend

  • Shahid Saeed
    Jun 15, 2011 - 5:22PM

    They cut Pakistan in to half without any regrets!
    They lost Kashmir issue without an apology!
    They lost ‘strategic depth’ in Afghanistan turning Pakistan in to battlefield!
    Recommend

  • Amer Khan
    Jun 15, 2011 - 5:39PM

    I think we are too emotional within ourselves and never bring things in perspective…. OBL was the creation of US and was maintained by it’s allies including PK against USSR and then he was unwanted but still had a value. Both CIA and ISI are spy agencies, jsut like any other spy agency, they play their cards and protect their country’s interests so even if ISI is concealing something, they keep it for negotiating when the time comes and CIA does the same just like any other spy agency would do. IF one thinks that M5 or M6 or Mosad or RAW or even Af RAW agency does the same and these guys know how to handle each other. So, what is happening is all an indicator of the end game in Af. No on, even the US would want a destabilized PK, yes they would want PK to be at a weak wicket while negotiating with them and being the single world power, they can affors it. At the end, both parties will find common grounds and will remain partners in need of each other….Recommend

  • mehdi Jamal
    Jun 15, 2011 - 5:50PM

    Please tell me the logic behind the arrests. Instead of finding and arresting the people who helped OBL hide in comfort within a stone’s throw of Pakistani military institutions, you go and arrest the people who helped capture him. An utter lack of logic in what is done.
    Recommend

  • Fawad
    Jun 15, 2011 - 5:55PM

    @Thinking:
    and when US will stop anti-Pakistan activities?Recommend

  • Jun 15, 2011 - 6:03PM

    INCEPTION……….Recommend

  • Jun 15, 2011 - 7:16PM

    How will the poor ISI /Army make the world believe them now. Damn these ‘inidentified elements’ and their ‘dedicated’ smear campaigns.

    Owain Owain!Recommend

  • Akthar
    Jun 15, 2011 - 7:45PM

    Ours is a funny army. Instead of finding how OBL stayed there on his 5 year Honeymoon woth his 3 wives, or how the terrorists could enter PNS Mehran, they are arresting informants of OBL (a global terrorist)! On one hand they take aid on the other thos treachery!Recommend

  • Dr.A.K.Tewari
    Jun 15, 2011 - 8:26PM

    It is ao extreemly interesting game going on which we can not comprehend easity . The U.S PAK relation depends on these streategic games and entire world is watching such an interesting game .Recommend

  • Stop it Plz
    Jun 15, 2011 - 8:44PM

    Why are you people cursing and hating our security forces who are actually saving us from alot of trouble to be faced in future. Peoples’ hatred towards defense authorities have outraged after Sarfaraz Shah’s murder by Rangers. No doubt he was killed brutally and the rangers “INDIVIDUALS” should be given the death penalty for it, but to blame the whole institution is not fair. Tomorrow if any lawyer makes the same act will the CJ resign after that????
    It was reported openly that Sarfaraz Shah had a criminal background, what happens when such a person snatches a mobile worthing just meager and kills the owner then and there, won’t then we need our securtiy forces to protect our city. Where is the suo moto action when civilians burn these criminals to death on streets?
    Why blame our security forces so much when we know that we wont be able to survive without their protection?
    People… we are all in between a war and a common man like you and me wont pick up the weapon and start defending the country. at the end it will be our own security forces who would willingly die for the country!
    think about it!!!Recommend

  • Aftab Kenneth Wilson
    Jun 15, 2011 - 8:46PM

    Still in the state of denial !!!!!! Major is a very low rank if it comes to leakage of OBL hideout. I think they must find more in their ranks and files who are collaborating with enemies of the state. One wonders why it is not being investigated who were camouflaging Osama in our country??????Recommend

  • Fawad
    Jun 15, 2011 - 9:00PM

    The ISI needs to be disbanded and a new, overhauled organization with new leadership should take it’s place. Also, the Pakistani government should have full authority to try and convict corrupt agents who have committed crimes.Recommend

  • Babloo
    Jun 15, 2011 - 9:01PM

    Anyone criticizing the ‘establishment’ and the very ‘sensitive’ agencies is in gross violation of the supreme national interest and the doctrine of necessity, the two pillars of the state.Recommend

  • Observer
    Jun 15, 2011 - 10:04PM

    Its a funny thing – Pakistan has been trying to achieve ‘Strategic Depth’ (a concept nobody other than the military and ISI can understand) for the past 30 years and in the process have rendered the whole nation a ‘Strategic Depth’ for afghan taliban/Al Queda from the west and outfits like Lashkar e taiba from the east. Time to stop and think… Recommend

  • Babloo
    Jun 15, 2011 - 10:48PM

    The ‘establsihment’ has fallen in a big strategic hole and it has started digging.Recommend

  • Chandler
    Jun 15, 2011 - 10:55PM

    As the profound major would say, the Joo, RAA and CIA did it!
    Cheers major! (klink)Recommend

  • b khan
    Jun 15, 2011 - 11:04PM

    So the US think Pakistan should have honored the Pakistan’s Military Serviceman with ” Medal of Honor ” for spying for another country?

    Make me laugh sometimes.Recommend

  • Muhammad Kashif
    Jun 15, 2011 - 11:42PM

    So CIA keeps a number of people on payroll inclusive of Pakistan Army!.

    Happy extension General Kayani.Recommend

  • Nadeem Ahmed
    Jun 16, 2011 - 1:48AM

    Once no action is promised by America, they will be released like Raymond Davis. Its all about money, power and future security. I don’t believe there is anyone against America above the rank of major, however there are many fools in lower ranks.Recommend

  • Madiha
    Jun 16, 2011 - 2:50AM

    @OBL:
    What do u guys actually want? A US visa?? whom r u trying to please…..God, Express tribune seems to b a different world. Atleast speak the truth. While all setting up the support network for OBL should be punished, these guys who stole this chance of admiration from the whole world from Pakistan should also be punished. This information should have been shared with Pakistani intelligence first.Recommend

  • Umar
    Jun 16, 2011 - 3:30AM

    Have they arrested anyone for the murder of Saleem Shahzad !
    The priorities of ISI are different then the priorities of Pakistani people.Recommend

  • Khurram
    Jun 16, 2011 - 4:52AM

    Strange, the ISI and the Army have not arrested anyone of the persons yet who were helping and facilitating Osama`s stay in Pakistan.Recommend

  • N.S
    Jun 16, 2011 - 6:20AM

    General Kyani and Asif Ali Zardari detained in those 40??Recommend

  • Shamsi Ajanee
    Jun 16, 2011 - 7:15AM

    Yeh.Spies when they get arrested should get severe punishment.That is the risk they take to earn money

    Jonathan Pollard was a former civilian intelligence analyst of USA who was convicted of spying for Israel. He received a life sentence in 1987 in USA. and I think still is in US jailRecommend

  • R
    Jun 16, 2011 - 7:15AM

    This proves, one more time, how deeply embedded Islamism is in the rulers and masses. A courageous few chose to cooperate when their own security forces were looking the other way around. They helped rid the world of one of the most vicious terrorists. Now they are arrested!!!! The masses buy into the “US is out to get us” narrative and consume every ounce of immoral behavior and outlandish propoganda. Recommend

  • Watchman
    Jun 16, 2011 - 7:45AM

    All critics and/or supporters of this action, I would strongly urge you to kindly read the story of, Jonathan Pollard.Recommend

  • BruteForce
    Jun 16, 2011 - 7:48AM

    People dont get arrested who helped the Terrorists attack the Naval Base, but people who went against the Terrorists and helped the CIA to kill them get arrested.

    Is anyone really surprised?

    The people who helped the CIA must be garlanded and hailed as heroes who helped humanity. Only in Pakistan can such people be called as traitors.

    If they are prosecuted in Pakistan, US and the Western world should honour them.Recommend

  • Singh
    Jun 16, 2011 - 8:09AM

    US need to pull out of Pakistan and impose economic sanction until it completely severe its ties from all terrorist. State or non state actor. It does not have oil that it can sell to black market. If try to sell nuke to rouge state then punish it severely. It is the only way common man in Pakistan can stand against its own Army which is getting fat with every passing day & common man been in vise of poverty.People of Pakistan does not deserve to be slave of their own Uniformed master. It need to be grind down to point where establishment work under Honest civilian rule & does not interfere in decision making process of civilian & not in position to dictate terms to civilian rule. Throwing money to establishment is like rewarding bad behavior. ET Recommend

  • Jun 16, 2011 - 8:23AM

    It can’t be called treason as easily as you guys make it sound. It’s a considerable grey area to the extent that anyone saying without a shadow of a doubt that it is treason is going by a bitter and simple opinion.

    Before I even get into how it can’t be called treason so easily I’d like to point out that the definition, largely depends on this: People of your country leaking government secrets to countries they don’t want knowing that information. To call it treason means Pakistan had been facilitating OBL knowingly while intentionally hiding it from America and they revealed that information. If they didn’t know he was there, the only thing it amounts to is gossip/rumor.

    But, back to the point… It can’t be compared to common treason because of the agreement with America. That agreement says that when it comes to terrorists that Pakistan and America are working together, primarily in areas of intelligence. That means, anyone who isn’t playing some double game would look at telling America about it to be nearly equal to telling a Pakistan official. You should also keep the lack of trust in your security forces in mind. They may have even been scared to bring it up to them. So that would probably result in telling America which would in turn, amount to telling Pakistan because that information is said to be shared and they don’t have to fear for their lives if America is a valid and equal participant. You know, valid and equal, otherwise known as an ally. Though I do suppose the definition of that term is foreign to you though you have fun using it.

    What these arrests amount to is not treason but, instead, the corrupt security forces all but saying straight out that they supported and knew about OBL.

    The only thing this is accomplishing is making sure that people will now be afraid to inform anyone, regardless of what they know. This is a symbolic message to the citizens. “Keep your mouths shut about the terrorists residing in Pakistan or you’ll be punished.”

    They’re being treated like they informed a declared enemy rather than an ally. I hope the American government takes notice of that implication. I’ve never heard anyone planning to invade Pakistan and I have never thought it was a good idea. But, with this … I say screw the games once and for all. Declare that the next time there’s proof of a double game being played, Pakistan is no longer considered an ally and starts getting treated as an enemy that is getting in the way of the goal. Go in, shove the security forces aside, take out the obvious terrorist areas Pakistan does nothing about and then leave them to be as miserable as they want to be and never look back trying to forget it even exists.

    It’s all empty talk and threats right now, anyways. It’s not like Pakistan would ever actually help any other country. It has turned into nothing more than a parasitic bother who only takes from people without ever entertaining the idea of giving back. Your concept of “ally” is all sorts of messed up. It’s like you believe it means someone to leech off of. Then, when your ability to leech is cut off, you’ll say it’s the fault of some other country talking bad about you behind your back rather than realizing you’re really just a nuisance to the entire world and there’s not a country in existence that won’t eventually get tired of you.Recommend

  • Billoo Bhaya
    Jun 16, 2011 - 11:07AM

    @Arslan:
    Thanks for the encouragement my friend.Recommend

  • Salman
    Jun 17, 2011 - 12:14AM

    How about Kiyani and Pasha? Should they not be arrested on the same charges, too?Recommend

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