Punjab Forensic Science Agency: Forensic scientists face verbal abuse

Published: May 25, 2011

Project director accused of humiliating them ‘to hush up wrongdoings’.


The project director of the Punjab Forensic Science Agency (PFSA) regularly uses ‘abusive and derogatory language’ while dealing with highly qualified forensic scientists  and has even threatened to terminate their contracts, alleged a number of victims in an application forwarded to the Punjab chief minister and provincial home secretary.

Nayyar Mehmood, who heads the PFSA’s Programme Implementation Unit, always humiliates and demoralises scientists just to express his hegemony over them as he fears someone will disclose his ‘wrongdoings’, victims wrote in the application

According to the application, four highly qualified forensic scientists alleged that on May 19, Mehmood called a meeting of contractors, vendors and four DNA scientists to discuss the specifications of Fume Hood apparatus.

During the meeting, the scientists informed others about the specification of apparatus, but Mehmood did not seem satisfied with their presentation.

He scolded Dr Nouman Rasool and Dr Zawar Hussain in the presence of participants and warned them of “dire consequences”.

When Muhammad Asif, one of the scientists, interfered, Mehmood grabbed him by the neck and dragged him out of the office and threatened to terminate his contract.

On May 22, PFSA Deputy Director Ziaur Rehman, on behalf of Mehmood, illegally detained Asif in his office, insisting he make a compromise, alleged the scientist while talking to The Express Tribune.

However, Asif refused to compromise and Rehman asked for an explanation. All four scientists (Dr Nauman Rasool, Muhammad Asif, Dr Zawar Hussain and Nasir Siddique) were asked to explain why they challenged the viewpoint of foreign consultant Dr Muhammad Ashraf Tahir regarding the requirement of compressed air in the DNA section of the laboratory.  They were directed to explain their position within three days.

The scientists told The Express Tribune that in January, the laboratory conducted a six-day training course for investigation officers of the police for the use and application of forensic science in investigations. Mehmood enrolled his son, a LLB student, and awarded him a certificate in clear violation of training ethics and rules.

The scientists alleged that their salaries were being given from a bank situated in DHA, 30 kilometres away from where they were posted, as the manager of the bank was Mehmood’s friend.

The scientists requested the chief minister to constitute a committee to probe the irregularities committed in the construction, procurement and other administrative issues of the lab. They said that a polygraph test should be carried out to sort out truth regarding their grievances.

The Punjab government had planned to construct a state-of-the-art forensic science laboratory at a cost of Rs2.5 billion in the outskirts of Lahore. The home department recruited 30 forensic scientists in August 2009.The government awarded the contract to Al Imam Enterprises and HA constructors, who were given a deadline of July 2010 to complete the project. Even after a lapse of 10 months, the laboratory is yet to be completed.

Although Nayyar Mehmood did not deny the occurrence of the incident, he insisted that he did not commit a crime. “If they think I did, they should get a criminal case registered against me,” he said. “I will answer the allegations if the competent authority seeks my point of view”.

The PD added that some scientists were using various tactics to defame his reputation and the laboratory’s progress so far. He also said that the completion of the project was near.

Published in The Express Tribune, May 25th, 2011.

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Reader Comments (197)

  • Ammara Khawja
    May 25, 2011 - 10:42AM

    Difference of opinion is not encouraged in our society. Students are not permitted to differ and punished severely if they go against accepted opinions. Same situation seemed to be arisen here in Punjab forensic agency. Such issues can be resolved by discussion and debate. Consultant’s opinion may have right but one should not forget the voice of these scientists. The problem seems to lied in the fact that foreign consultant was not present in the meeting. If the technicalities of said equipment has already been discussed with consultants, then scientists should not differ at this final stage.

    It is also worth mentioning here that forensic scientists are working without Director General. Presently, they are being directed by Project director. Government of Punjab should understand the fact that project implementation is separate work than directing highly technical persons. Government should appoint managerial staff to avoid reversal of such painful incidents.Recommend

  • ahsan ali
    May 25, 2011 - 12:05PM

    good going……leaves something to think about for the people waiting to join the said institute..I wonder when will CM notice this….Recommend

  • Ammara Khawja
    May 25, 2011 - 1:42PM

    I think, complete inquiry of the incident and the circumstances leading to this incidents should be conducted. The culprit must be dealt with stern hands.Recommend

  • Muhammad Ramzan
    May 25, 2011 - 2:09PM

    The project is already delayed by a year. These delaying tactics like inquires are harmful for this project. The inquiry should be conducted in such a way so that pace of the working does not get affected. Recommend

  • Naeem Hamza
    May 25, 2011 - 4:33PM

    Such incidents bring bad name to the countries and creates doubt in their justice system. Definitely, it is a sad incident which must not has happened. It creates doubt that how these scientist can perform with out any fear and can contribute to the deliverance of justice to a common man. Such incidents show that their is still much more needed to prevail fair and impartial justice to a common Pakistani.
    Only those nations are enjoying status of developed countries where professor, researchers and scientific class are honored.
    Pakistan is already passing through a transit and unstable phase. In such situation, if the educated brains are treated like this, then how justice can prevail in Pakistan. My best wishes are with the scientist and hope that their Government and concerned authorities will take right steps to prevent such incident in future. Recommend

  • Ghulam Rasool
    May 25, 2011 - 5:55PM

    Let me add something to the news report. One of my relative is working as a Forensic Scientist in the Agency; he has told me that the scientist are being denied of basic human rights and privillages like 24 days annual casual leave which are prescribed in the Government of Punjab contract employees policy. Even female scientists got their salaries deducted for the period of their maternity leave and young scientists who got married meanwhile their service in the agency got their salaries deducted for the period they could not attend the office.
    Mr. Nayyar Mehmood does not care for any person. He is not answerable to anyone. It is quite strange state of affairs in the PFSA. Corruption is in high swing under the nose of the Chief Minister and he is totally ill-informed. Such are the people who are causing damage to the limmited exchequre of the country. If CM does take intrest in the matter then i would say he is also involved in the mis-appropriation. Stories of misapproprations by Mr Nayyar have been printed in the past but CM did not bothered to look into the matter.
    Only, Mr. Nayyar is responsible for the delay in the completion of the project building. He is intrested to capture the top management postion in the PFSA. He is not a Scientist but he claims so by humiliating the qualified scientists of the PFSA Recommend

  • ahsan ali
    May 25, 2011 - 6:30PM

    I agree with you Ramzan.. and i believe the current deadline for the project is 31st may? would it be complete by then?Recommend

  • Azhar Ali
    May 25, 2011 - 7:47PM

    This project was envisioned to provide justice to a common man in the corruption riddle society of Pakistan. Unfortunately, in the presence of aforementioned facts, it seems impossible to achieve its holy objectives. It is quite strange to know that even basic human rights of these scientists are not given to then. So, how we can expect justice from this so claimed “a source of hope of justice in the darkness of injustice”. This is a very horrible development and must be addressed under the laws. We are hoping for justice for our common man, but under such miserable circumstances no one can expect desirable outcome under such state of in-justice, atrocities, and callousness. This organisation is a source of hope of impartial, fair and factual justice for the miserable people of this country.Home department and CM Punjab do not ignore this and take strong and lawful measures to rectify this.Recommend

  • naeem shahzad
    May 25, 2011 - 8:32PM

    i guess project completion date is 30th june. future of many more is on stake as selection process is being delayed. CM should take notice of that.Recommend

  • Muhammad Ramzan
    May 25, 2011 - 10:49PM

    @Ghulam Rasool: It is very astonishing to know that highly qualified scientists are being treated as animals. To have holidays is a basic right of a employee. To deny it, is shear violation of basic labor laws. Hopefully, the situation will be better when someone will be appointed as DG. DG will make service rules for scientists and technicians. It is also worth mentioning here that no one can deny the rights to leaves whether one signs on bond. Even court can be moved to avail this right.

    If there is corruption, i am surprised to know the performance of Anti-corruption establishment of Punjab.

    Have you not seen advertisement in a daily in which agency asked for PHD forensics for DG and other directors.Recommend

  • Muhammad Ramzan
    May 25, 2011 - 10:55PM

    @ahsan ali: Ghulam Rasool can better give the answer of this question, his relative is working in agency. News-report published in this newspaper on 7th April clearly quotes CEO of Al-Imam construction company that the building will be completed by 31st May. Recommend

  • Muhammad Ramzan
    May 25, 2011 - 11:01PM

    what a picture has been selected by this webmaster. I really liked it.Recommend

  • Muhammad Ramzan
    May 26, 2011 - 6:30AM

    Denial of basic rights like of leaves is just disgusting. Framing of rules of service after the appointment of DG may solve the problem. Even, court can be moved to get this basic tight.
    News-reports in the agency is also shameful for anti-corruption establishment in Punjab. They should keep a check on the activities of various departments.
    Whether, this project will be completed by 31st may is not known. Ground realities can only be revealed by those who work there. I believe, construction work will be completed by this dead-line because, this is 4th extension in the dead-line. Recommend

  • ahsan ali
    May 26, 2011 - 10:14AM

    Mr Ghulam rasool since you have mentioned that you know someone already working in the agency …is the agency functional yet??i mean it appears that they dont have proper administrative staff.. they haven’t hired the ppl interviewed last year, no wonder they are treating the current employees like tht to make up for the lack of staff.News also says that they are giving hefty salaries to the staff.. is it true?

    So much money of the poor tax payer is being wasted on such worthless project where like all the other organisations corrupt, blue eyed people of the authorities are working.Recommend

  • naeem shahzad
    May 26, 2011 - 5:24PM

    this project if completed and utilized will help a lot to curb crimes from the province as well as country.. but the question to be asked is that when will this project be completed? when will be the DG of agency appointed to take care of the administrative and technical matters. i heard that construction work will complete on 30th june.. if anyone has any inside information. please share…Recommend

  • Annonymous
    May 27, 2011 - 1:03AM

    the arrogance and mistreatment of others is a trademark of our bureaucracy and it is nothing strange if said forensic scientists are also facing the verbal and physical abuses form a bureaucrat. The Govt. of Punjab has failed to maintain the trust of its employees as it is quite evident from the strike from YDA, APCA and employees of excise and taxation (all complained about the behavior of responsible). After being said that, I guess it is a fait of every scientist to face such incidents in Pakistan (you all know what they did with Dr. Qadeer Khan). Now its very clear why these young genius leave the country when its their time to payback and serve the nation (after all, self respect is the most important).

    Now talking about the denial of basic rights, I guess these people are also responsible for it. if they are not getting what they think that they should get, then why are not they raising their voice? People are expecting justice from them and even if they cannot get it from themselves then how would they speak up for others? Recommend

  • Muhammad Ramzan
    May 27, 2011 - 8:18AM

    @naeem shahzad:
    The construction work will be completed till 30th may as per news-report of anwer sumra of 8th aprilRecommend

  • Ammara Khawja
    May 27, 2011 - 9:03AM

    Yes, as per this news-report. the project will be completed by 31st of may. In this news-report, anwer sumra has also quoted CEO of construction company revealing some technical reasons behind the delay in this project.Recommend

  • ahsan ali
    May 27, 2011 - 12:27PM

    N if it will be completed by 31st when do you think will they give the result of interviews..i have 3 friends who appeared in test n interview.Recommend

  • Muhammad Ramzan
    May 27, 2011 - 2:18PM

    @ahsan ali: well, i think, the agency should declare results of those who appeared in interviews in June last year. The declaration of results will relieve the concerned families of this annoying wait.Recommend

  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2011 - 3:10PM

    i heard that selection process was halted and selection will be made right from the start after completion of lab. naeem shahzad is right. i have also heard the that construction work will be completed before the end of financial year that surely is end on june.. do anyone of u know someone working in the lab? some scientist or administrative staff can only confirm that..Recommend

  • Muhammad Ramzan
    May 27, 2011 - 3:43PM

    For Forensic scientists and technicians: The process was completed in June 2010. Even, security clearance has been completed. Only, declaration of final results is remaining.

    For Managers, Deputy Directors and Directors etc.: The process could be completed last year. So, the advertisement appeared this year again. Last date is 30th June and the requirement is PHD forensics with different experiences for different jobs.

    For Auxiliary staff like Guards, Electricians and Sweepers etc.: The last date to apply was 30th May 2011. I do not know, when will they be hired? Recommend

  • naeem shahzad
    May 27, 2011 - 6:37PM

    see the news about forensic lab of dawn on 7th may.. no completion date for construction work is mentioned in the latest interview of CEO of construction company.. if it was about to be completed on 31st may.. he must have mentioned it Recommend

  • anonymous
    May 28, 2011 - 7:35AM

    I have read all about this news of verbal and physical abuse by the project Director ,project implementation unit government of punjab. I myself is witness to this kind of verbal abuse to these highly qualified and trained scientists by the project director when,i visited Punjab forensic science agency with my friend,who is a vendor to see project director. i could not believe, how this man humiliates, disgrace these qualified scientists in front of lower staff,vendors,contractors,.this is disgrace to this newly formed agency,created by CM to bring justice in punjab.but contrary to this,these scientists,who are going to be the vehicle for bringing justce,there is no justice for them. chief minister must formulate an investigation team, independent of burecracy to get to the bottom of this deep rooted issue and punish harshely the responsible for verbal,and physical abuse.no one deservs this kind of treatment in a civilized socity at work place.CM must set up an example of justice, which will restore some self respect and some confidence which these scientists have lost in the last 18 months of their service. i saw vedio cameras in the agency during my vist,may be CM must order the home secretary to retrieve that vedeo from that place, that may provide evidence.but care must be taken,that PD project director is incharge of those cameras. they have polygraph test available at the agency.CM must order a polygraph test to be adminstred on project director,if he is truthful about his claims in the tribune.
    This is the time to witness, if justice will be done? finally i think,we all should give credit to the express tribune to bring this kind of problems of public intrest in to lime lite. Recommend

  • ahsan ali
    May 28, 2011 - 11:52AM

    @ anonymous

    I fully agree with you.and i would also like to request the author of this article if he could write about the current status of the project, hiring of the staff and the completion datesRecommend

  • naeem shahzad
    May 28, 2011 - 6:57PM

    i saw the building today while passing through the bridge of thokar niaz baig. it still is under construction and there deoesnt seem any chance that copnstruction will be completed even within month or two. this construction consultant should be fined heavily for the delay of such high priority projectRecommend

  • anonymous
    May 28, 2011 - 11:17PM

    ahsan, I can not comment on the hring of the scientists,but I can definately say that this project director must be sent on adminstration leave or termination till the enquiry of this incident is complete. there will be no enquiry as long as the project director is on this job.He has terrised every one in that place.Why not to call those people who were present in the so called meeting of scientists and the contractors.May be the express news must go and track those people and they will tell the facts.
    No justice till this PD is in that building.the project will never be complete as long as this PD is incharge.Why not to enquire from the contractors abut PD,s behavior.It seems like he is a sick person.Recommend

  • anonymous
    May 29, 2011 - 4:14PM

    You are just a friend of a vendor but you know a lot about this agency, the general working environment and other discrepancies in this project. That’s amazing and astonishing. Is it not?
    Do you not think that removal of PD will halt the project altogether delaying it further? what i believe, inquiry if conducted, will comprise of senior officials of Punjab government not the personnel of the agency. Please, do not politicize the issue and do not issue the statements. I have not seen the comments of those, whose names have been mentioned in above news-report. After the appointment of DG, this problem will be solved once for all because he will be doctorate degree-holder in forensic science. Recommend

  • Sajjad ahmad
    May 29, 2011 - 4:49PM

    I want to add that , I am an employee of this company which have the contract to build it. I was surprised to hear when my other collegue told me about the behaviour of Nayyer Mahmood with the technical staff of Agency. In Pakistan, govt job is so much dirty that Boss physically assault the other staff. When my colleague told me that Nayyer Mahmood abused and physically hit four scientists, I decided never to send my own children to Govt job Recommend

  • Naeem Javed
    May 29, 2011 - 4:55PM

    it is the reply of Sajjad Ahmed, I once encounter with Mr. Nayyer in his office when he behaved one female scientist in a so rude manner that no any gentle man can see that. he talked to her in a manner that she started shiwering and he threatened her to fire from jobRecommend

  • Altaf Hussain
    May 29, 2011 - 5:15PM

    In response to all such incidents, I am eager to ask that where is chief minister of Punjab. We always think that he is very touchy man and never endure such person in his any departmentRecommend

  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2011 - 9:01PM

    I agree with most of the comments that PD of FSA shall be immediately removed from his post. His behavior is disgusting and inhuman.
    I am one of the employees of AL Amam construction and I was working on the second floor of this building when I heared the comments of Mr. Nadeem manager Al Amam and Mr. Cheema who were present in that particular meeting. They were talking among themselves. This is the day when this Particular incidence of physical and verbal abuse took place.Their comments were, “ Is this PD Nayyar Mahmood in his senses.He seems to be crazy and what kind of forensic scientists are these who can take Physical beating and kicking and absorb such filthy Gallies (scoldings)from him”.
    In my view this person does not deserve this post, I myself have seen many times scolding the scientists.He talks with lady workers in very bad manner.Even a common girl can not take this kind of insult but these poor lady scientists are so much intimidated that no one has the courage to talk back.
    The CHIEF MINISTER of Punjab is very honest and hard working person but such people like this PD will tarnish his image. I think this PD is doing such things intentionally to defame this agency and prolonging the project because he will not get a fat salary like this any where in Pakistan. This project which was started by the chief minister is extremely important to curb crime and deliver justice to people.
    I pray that the CHIEF MINISTER shall take serious notice of the situation and give at least 10 minuts of his precious time to listen to these scientists and make some determination. He can also talk to above named employees of Al Amam. Mr. Nayyar shall be immediately removed from his post and some honest person shall be appointed otherwise it will bring a bad name to the chief minister.
    Thanks to EXPRESS TRIBUNE for bringing this matter to the attention of the people concerned.Recommend

  • naeem shahzad
    May 29, 2011 - 10:38PM

    @ anonymous..
    i completely agree with your point of view. PD is using delaying tactics, as it is mentioned that this project is already delayed by an year or so.
    as u mentioned that u are working with the construction company. can u tell us what is the recent deadline of construction to be completed. and despite of the deadline given by the authorities when does it seem to be completed. one of my fried appeared for the job interview last year and his hiring is halted because lab is not functional yet. he is very disturbed about his future.
    i would also request the author of this article to inform us about the completion of the project and status of hiring process started an year b4. thanksRecommend

  • Akhter Ali
    May 30, 2011 - 5:38PM

    My cousin is working as a forensic investigator in this lab. He always discuss the issues which are faced by them due to project director. A huge fear has been created in their minds of the firing from job and penelty of 5000000 that he cannot talk about their rights in their office. On every day project director calls one of the forensic scientist and yell him or her with the wording of firing from service. The personalities of all these investigators have become so much rude. Now due to fear Project director can enforce to everyone to change the results of case or report.The authorities should talk to these investigators separately and should discuss their problems. This lab is meant for justice but no justice is there which operate itRecommend

  • waseem ahmad
    May 30, 2011 - 6:07PM

    It is to reply of anonymous, I am fully agree with you. Chief minister should make a inquiry commettee and call to contractors also Recommend

  • anonymous
    May 30, 2011 - 11:05PM

    What happened to the application forwarded by a number of victims, as has been quoted by this news-report? Has the victims ”Asif” registered case against PD?
    I think, polygraph test should be conducted of all the concerned to ensure the justice?Recommend

  • muhammad Ali
    May 31, 2011 - 12:22AM

    I want to ask that where is the result of the interviews which were held in July 2010. I have a complete evidence, how the result of Computer Forensic was changed and the person working in the office of FSA was added in the list of candidates. There is also a corruption in the selection of candidates of Crime scene and how a boy of office of FSA was selected in crime scene technician. Let the result be announced the we will seeRecommend

  • ahsan ali
    May 31, 2011 - 12:33AM

    All of us have been saying that CM should take notice of it but the question is HOW??does he read express tribune:)

    Some one should bring this in his notice. does anyone know of any way by which we can?Recommend

  • Ali Bilal
    May 31, 2011 - 2:03AM

    ,, So shame for project manager. Why all this happened with staff? If managers will behave like this then how this top class department will perform his duty honestly? Recommend

  • Zoha Ikram
    May 31, 2011 - 3:57AM

    Why Nayyar mehmood enrolled his son? Its not the way to use official power for personal activities,, for personal doing. Moreover, this is very ridicules to abuse. OOps, project manager has long history and used his influence where it possible. Like following:

    The scientists alleged that their salaries were being given from a bank situated in DHA, 30 kilometres away from where they were posted, as the manager of the bank was Mehmood’s friend.

    What a bad use of official rights :-( Recommend

  • M ayaz
    May 31, 2011 - 8:05PM

    I am afred to read the news but lets give the project director a chance to coment whey he has shown such kind of behaviour, he may be annoyed by the rude behaviour of the scientists. because often new comers in jobs are not well trained in office manners. moreover i has heard that the project consultant was also involved in all of the melicious activities that were done by the project director becouse all of the scientists are selected by the consultant himself and also he asked authorities to change the lists of other fields.becouse he was member of the selection comette somebody tolds me that He also fired two people from training which ended in the termination of those from their jobs.which ended in loss of millions of ruppes of our contry.
    anybody given excesive powers without check and balance can annihilate the matter.CM shold not give anybody powers to destroy any projects. who knows what will be the behaviour of DG. ALLAH forgive us plezeRecommend

  • Qasim Majeed
    Jun 1, 2011 - 1:45AM

    Whats going on here? Where are chief minister of punjab who ever treated this type of cases with honestly? Why this behave always made with juniors,, where is law? Whats the problem with Nayyar Mehmood who has no respect for anyone specially for juniors? Recommend

  • Javeed Amin
    Jun 1, 2011 - 1:59AM

    First thanks for Tribune for covering this story

    Hmmm after reading all the story, i would simply say that,,
    this is not only a abuse story but also a big story of corruption

    Nayyar Mehmood which is the project director of PFSA is what kind of man? Every second paragraph is complaint or indicate corruption. When someone will take action against all these types of corrupt officers,, who are treating scientist with this respect? Who will sort out these issues? Who will call Nayyar Mehmood for justice? A lot of hope from Allah and after that from Prime minister or CM of Punjab. Respect must be given to all educated person and specially scientist who do alot for Pakistan and after that third class abuse only left for them in reward from Nayyar Mehmood type persons. Recommend

  • Javeed Amin
    Jun 1, 2011 - 2:18AM

    @Qasim Majeed:

    You are right. If any one will not behave properly or or or with respect then how department will work honestly and on merit??Recommend

  • Khalid Ghurki
    Jun 1, 2011 - 2:00PM

    This is so shameful for the government of PUNJAB who has appointed man like Nayyar Mehmood , In this highly sensitive deportment where crime can be controlled but man like Nayyer Mahmood him self is involve in fraud ( specially in finance ) and disqualify to work as a team leader in this kind of department , I have heard that his behavior is like nonsense person , This person should be terminated sharply , We want to see less crime in our country due to this Punjab Forensic agency , We should put an application against him in PUNJAB govt as well as in Federal govt , Recommend

  • Maham Rao
    Jun 1, 2011 - 4:10PM

    Do anybody knows that 4 cars of FSA are being used in the home of Nayyer Mahmood. One car and a driver is completely alloted to the wife of nayyer on govt fuel. Three cars are being used by three children of nayyer. So many times accidents were occured while using by his boys. What a corruption////////////////////////////Recommend

  • Rashid
    Jun 2, 2011 - 12:50AM


    Nayyer Mahmood,, King of corruption

    How Pakistan can get respect internationally wen this type of behave will conduct by project managers? Believe me that i am so wonder to read this story where corruption and misuse of legal powers. Why no one is taking actions for such behaves? Can anyone except TRIBUNE can approach higher authorities for high light this issue? If this is in the notice of higher authorities like PM of Pakistan or CM of Punjab then why this issue is unresolved? Recommend

  • Rashid
    Jun 2, 2011 - 12:52AM

    @Javeed Amin:
    You mentioned this story as a big story of corruption and i suggest it ,, King of corruption

    really this type of abuses must be stopped. Recommend

  • naeem shahzad
    Jun 2, 2011 - 5:22PM

    so 31st may is also gone.. and construction is still incompleteRecommend

  • anon
    Jun 3, 2011 - 7:29AM

    Do you think the project will be scraped and the scientists adjusted somewhere else?Recommend

  • naeem shahzad
    Jun 3, 2011 - 3:17PM

    i know so.. :)Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 4, 2011 - 10:57AM

    Lolz……scraped. How is it possible?Recommend

  • ammara khawja
    Jun 4, 2011 - 1:09PM

    @naeem shahzad:

    I do not think that the project will be scrapped. Millions of rupees have been spent on it. The building is about to complete. Remaining staff is being hired. How is it possible? Recommend

  • Madiha Chohan
    Jun 4, 2011 - 5:35PM

    This is so bad and not acceptable anymore. Everyone has self respect and no project manager like nayyer mehmood has right to abuse it. I am so confused and feeling shame that ,,
    I am worry about my career. Because i am a educated person and wolf like nayyer are here, not in forensic lab punjab, even every where. Why no one is taking action? Why? Where in shehbaz sharif? Where is yousaf raza glani? No one is asking to nayyer.
    I noticed that some one here called project director ‘king of corruption’ and i think every one is like that because no one is taking action. Shame for every educated person for pakistan. Recommend

  • Madiha Chohan
    Jun 4, 2011 - 5:39PM

    @naeem shahzad:
    Because all higher level management is shame less,, respect less,, moral less.Recommend

  • naeem shahzad
    Jun 4, 2011 - 7:44PM

    according to people working in the lab, construction will be completed on 31st july 2011.. lets c if it will be completed by then or not??? lets hope it will not be scraped.. but i have heard the plan of higher management to scrap it.. Recommend

  • anonn
    Jun 5, 2011 - 11:41AM

    The scientists (though trained in the USA) lack necessary certifications to perform the respective work. How can they train future employees?
    It takes several years to train forensic scientists.
    I think the standard will deteriorate further. Recommend

  • anonn
    Jun 5, 2011 - 11:42AM

    Anything is possible in Pakistan. Remember the Black garden dam. Recommend

  • ammara khawja
    Jun 5, 2011 - 10:46PM

    This project has been under criticism since its start. Actually, the other so-called institutions of Federal govt. working in one or two fields of forensics, see this agency(having fourteen full-fledged
    departments of forensics) with concerns. So, we see the criticism on it. They forget that it is state of the art laboratory having up to date equipment and all departments of forensics.Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Jun 7, 2011 - 11:47PM

    Does anyone Know about the Status of the Applicants Who were Interviewed and Then scrutinised for Security Clearance and Are waiting for the Appointments in Different Sections of Punjab Forensic Science AgencyRecommend

  • Anonymous
    Jun 8, 2011 - 8:20PM

    Status is that:
    lab is still to be completed. i have seen the construction work of the lab a few days ago. it would take 3-4 months for construction work to be completed, provided work will be done at full pace. scientists will be appointed after completion of lab. and if government is toppled before the completion then this hiring process will be started all over again. thats my guessRecommend

  • ammara khawja
    Jun 9, 2011 - 9:42AM

    Why they not just announce the results? The appointments may be delayed till completion. Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Jun 9, 2011 - 10:40AM

    applicants might be called within 2-3 months. internal reportsRecommend

  • ammara khawja
    Jun 9, 2011 - 11:58AM

    But we are hearing these internal reports since july 2010. What can one say about this report?Recommend

  • anonn
    Jun 9, 2011 - 12:21PM

    Rs.80000 per month is not enough for the job any more. This was the salary that was offered more than two years back. Given the inflation, they should have increased it to at least Rs.120000. Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Jun 9, 2011 - 12:46PM

    This much salary…strange….and on other side other professionals are struggling hard to increase their meager renumeration. Have you not seen the news-report of this newspaper ”scientists are doing essentially nothing” of 31st march. scientists should not place such demands. Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Jun 9, 2011 - 1:38PM

    I wonder why people are getting jealous of these people’s salaries. A point to ponder is that these highly qualified people do come to job daily and available for work. If nothing significant is being done then who’s fault is this? After all, a completely built lab with full infrastructure is a prerequisite for their work. Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Jun 9, 2011 - 3:33PM

    we should be jealous of the scientists. we should support them as they are working under ppl like pd nayyar mahmood. whatever salaries are they drawing, they are getting it for their qualifications. so chill :)Recommend

  • anonn
    Jun 10, 2011 - 10:24AM

    Rs. 80000 is not very high salary. A person with M.Phil can earn that much. Recommend

  • anony
    Jun 13, 2011 - 5:55PM

    building of laboratory substandard, big cracks in walls and pillars, refurbished equipment, defective training of forensic scientists, kits expired before start of lab, everyone got his share, stat of the art lab!! Better scrapped to avoid further losses Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 14, 2011 - 1:14PM

    why should this lab be scrapped? The culprits (if any) should be brought to book. A lot of public money has been used. This would be the most modern lab of south Asia. As already mentioned, the entire project is under criticism due to petty interests of other institutions or of personnels. Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Jun 14, 2011 - 5:42PM

    i agree.. this project should be utilized and this lab should start working as soon as possibleRecommend

  • anony
    Jun 14, 2011 - 9:26PM

    lab not function for ——– years;repeated extensions, big scandals of corruption, enquiries in pipeline! god save punjab public moneyRecommend

  • rana
    Jun 15, 2011 - 10:16AM

    The quality of scientist is abysmal. This may be due to corruption in the hiring process of the earlier batches of scientists. There is s need for the re-evaluation of the scientists by qualified and experienced experts and trainers. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 15, 2011 - 11:55AM

    As per my knowledge, the recruitment process was supervised by foreign experts. Interviews were conducted by a panel of not less than 10 persons. Every expert made his own result/opinion. Furthermore, psychologists were also present in the panel. The dedicated trainers were provided to them in US. Recommend

  • anon
    Jun 15, 2011 - 3:35PM

    according to my information, hiring process was highly transparent as it consisted of panel including experts from all fields. ( Foreign forensic experts, beaurocrats, retired judges, forensic scientists) so there was not a hint of chance to influence that pannel. one of my friend has close relations with MPA of PML-N. he tried his level best to influence the panel but he got completely failed in his efforts. so i am damn sure that hiring process was transparent. but administration should be asked and questioned for such incidents.Recommend

  • rana
    Jun 15, 2011 - 4:47PM

    None of the scientists were able to pass the certification exams for the forensic scientist. May be the better candidates were never shortlisted to make way for the incompetent. SO the panel had to choose among whoever were shortlisted. Foreign experts are busy collecting their consulting fee instead of poking their nose in the employment process. Do you really believe that there is no corruption in the presence of such panels?

    Trainers in the US may be dedicated but the trainees were not. Recommend

  • anony
    Jun 15, 2011 - 7:30PM

    agree with rana, selected so called forensic scientists thoroughly incompetent,sifarshis, non certified by any us university, better evaluate them, will play havoc with forensic sciences, project a titanic, will bleed punjab budget constantly, salute bureaucrats who created this white elephant !!! ??? corruption corruption!!! identify pleaseRecommend

  • Rashid
    Jun 16, 2011 - 1:16AM

    Its shocking that still this issue unresolved. No one in Pakistan has the respect for educated persons even higher authorities :-(

    May Allah help Pakistan. Recommend

  • tariq
    Jun 16, 2011 - 3:26PM

    Its not fair to blame everything on the PD. He may be fed-up of the incompetent scientists. Recommend

  • rana
    Jun 17, 2011 - 6:31PM

    PD recruited forensic scientists himself, PD drivers and peons marked papers, sent two pregnant forensic scientist ladies usa to obtain nationality for newborns!!, advertised Pharm-D but selected B-Pharmacy, why? share—!! better refer selection matter to PPSC to get rid of incompetent scientists in beginning. state of art lab!! ??? Recommend

  • anon
    Jun 18, 2011 - 4:14PM

    @ rana..
    i think u r one of the rejected person in the in the interviews. thats why you are making such lame points. PPSC also consists of panels like the one for the selection of scientists. but according to my info the panel for selection of scientists was more reliable than PPSC.Recommend

  • azmat
    Jun 18, 2011 - 6:24PM

    I think you are one of the sifarshis. I have never seen a sifarshi who admits to being inducted on sifarish. If the scientists were so good, why none of them were able to pass the required exams for the scientists?
    These so called forensic scientists have brought shame on our country. The foreign trainers must be thinking that all educated Pakistanis are incapable. Recommend

  • akram
    Jun 18, 2011 - 10:13PM

    dont be specific. issue here is the bad behaviour of PD with scientist.. these corrupt bearucrrats are ruining almost every institute in pak. and so is the case with state of the art lab. dont u ppl see how many stories of corruption pf PD are being published in paper and still if you ppl are on the side of PD rather than scientist.. you ppl gotta think twice and change your priorities. even if scientists are sifarshis.. who is responsible for that.. PD na? unless this agency is governed by some DG who has techinal knowledge of forensics.. this isnt gonna work..Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 18, 2011 - 11:36PM

    here is deadlock. The two parties are blaming each other. The two seem to have vested interests in this. Recommend

  • azmat
    Jun 19, 2011 - 6:38AM

    We should not take anyone’s side. The scientists are as much to blame as the PD. This is called “Ek thalay kay chhattay bhhatay”. Recommend

  • Khalid Mehmood
    Jun 19, 2011 - 1:13PM

    How this Forensic Lab can be completed when the construction work is on halt! The Project Director is not ready to complete his task and go away. He want to take over the scientific lab despite the fact that he himself is not a scientist. He has sabotaged the project by putting the horse before the cart. It is evident from the project achievements at this stage, that the PD is not aware of project management skills – sequence of the project phases. Why did he hired the scientists whereas the lab was not ready to function? Why did he purchase vehicles for the Crime Scene Investigation unit? Why did he purchase the lab equipment and consumables? He has caused a lot of misappropriations that should be interogated. But, unfortunately, in Government of the Punjab there is no mechanism of accountability or project monitoring.
    May God help those scientists who have been placed at the mercy of such a monster and are suffering the heavy insults, heavier than their salaries. Recommend

  • azmat
    Jun 19, 2011 - 6:40PM

    @Khalid Mehmood:
    We should not have any pity for the scientists as they are a product of corruption. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 20, 2011 - 6:17AM

    In June, the project activities halt usually due to closing at finance and audit department. In next financial year, the activities are restarted again.Recommend

  • ahmed
    Jun 20, 2011 - 9:56AM

    CM visited Lab yesterday and he asked to call DG of the lab to come back from foreign country and join the lab soon.. lets c wat difference will it make..Recommend

  • Hmmm
    Jun 20, 2011 - 4:04PM

    what is the current situation of the project??
    when it would be functional??Recommend

  • rana
    Jun 20, 2011 - 10:37PM

    Project not to start for couple of years. contractor stopped working.Reportedly distributed share to pd and higher ups. nothing left with him. a failed project——-salute corrupt, inept bureaucracy of punjab—-dmg’s-blue eyed of punjab govt. NAB wake up. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 21, 2011 - 1:55PM

    It is interesting to note that the Punjab Forensic Science Agency is already working despite that it is lacking certain equipments. Of and on, we see different reports of its investigation in different cases. e.g. of murder of Parents of one of Judges of supreme court. The news was also reported by Express tribune in January. So, it is wrong to say that scientists are doing nothing.Recommend

  • akram
    Jun 21, 2011 - 2:45PM

    @ rana
    u r wrong brother.. lab has been completed and machinery has also arrived. it will start functioning soon.. here am quoting CM
    “The CM said the building had been completed and machinery had also arrived while the Forensic Lab would start functioning soon. He said the project of setting up forensic lab of international standard was very important. He said that there were some technological problems with regard to the lab and a committee had been constituted which would submit its recommendations this week.”Recommend

  • asim
    Jun 21, 2011 - 4:16PM

    Besides the case of parents of a judge, what else have they done since being employed?Recommend

  • anony
    Jun 21, 2011 - 5:24PM

    case of parents of judge was not analysed in this lab: refurbished machinery imported submerged in water last year lying in basement: zero output so far;40 percent work remaining; visit and see Recommend

  • Lafunga
    Jun 21, 2011 - 8:07PM

    For all the people commenting.
    I come of a middle class family. I dont have anything to pay as bribe or don’t have a single reference.
    I applied at PFSA. Took test, Passed the test.
    was being interviewed even.
    The Panel was just like PPSC or FPSC Interview Pannel.
    All the procedure remained transparent.
    So all who applied and passed the test know about the transparency of PFSA.
    so all the failures will say this was not transparent.Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 21, 2011 - 10:36PM

    well i am the one working in the lab. its almost complete and will start working soon. dont spread rumors.Recommend

  • Hmmm
    Jun 22, 2011 - 9:14AM

    Hi dear anonymous,

    when will they call the new ones to join???
    and what is the current situation there??@anonymous


  • anonymous
    Jun 22, 2011 - 10:05AM

    i am also from poor family. i gave test and cleared it then went through interview and in feb police came to my home for security clearance mentioning that i have been selected and i will get my appointment letter after security clearance. uptill that it was completely transparent. i agree that those who appeared in test and interview can speak abt the transparency. but i wanna know wats the current status of our hiring and when will we join? if anyone has any info please share. i am jobless nowaday and i am really worried.Recommend

  • ammara khawja
    Jun 22, 2011 - 11:23AM

    Mr. anonymous has rightly pointed out that the participants should not spread rumors.Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 22, 2011 - 12:37PM

    Everyone is from a poor family and they got selected. Then they went for a training and could not pass the exams. So the basic criteria for selection is poverty and not capability. Some poor are better at corruption than the rich. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 23, 2011 - 6:13AM

    Everything is fine. Some hooligan scientists just make too much noise. PD is a perfectly nice person. Its his duty to run the agency properly. He is just performing his duties. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 23, 2011 - 6:38PM

    can anyone tell us the status of scientists who applied last year? when are they going to join? and when will this lab start functioning. i am sure scientists working there must be reading this.. can anyone plz plz plz tell us abt that. if you dont wana disclose your identity plz post as a anonymous person. so that if that scientist post are finished we better start looking for new jobs. we are really worried. plz someone in the name of ALLAH tell us :(Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 23, 2011 - 9:08PM

    I endorse the above comment. Punjab forensic sciences agency should at least declare the result. A whole year has passed after results. Such a long time is even taken in competitive exams. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 23, 2011 - 11:38PM

    Mr. anonymous has rightly pointed out that punjab forensic agency should declare results now. A year has passed since persons appeared in interviews.Recommend

  • ammara khawja
    Jun 24, 2011 - 8:21AM

    it will be good if concerned authorities of Punjab Forensic science agency pay heed to the issue of declaration of results. The candidates are living in the condition of uncertainty. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 25, 2011 - 7:31AM

    The concerned authorities should fire the scientists for bringing bad name to the agency. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 25, 2011 - 11:48AM

    No one has earned bad name for the country. They were admiring Pakistani trainees for their hard work. There is no question of firing the people. Our courts know the qualifications of these scientists. These will not accept their evidence, if someone is failed in exams. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 25, 2011 - 12:30PM

    PD has been accused for corruption. Mr. Nayyar has a good reputation In Home, Finance and Audit and Accounts department. This project was termed as a gold mine by some officials of Audit and Accounts. Because they were expecting a big share in corruption. It was also a surprise for the officials of Audit and Accounts (notorious dept of Govt for corruption) that they were unable to find some discrepancies in the audit. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 25, 2011 - 12:55PM

    These scientists were unable to get any proper certification. They could not pass their exams. Everyone admired them as these scientists were a source of US dollars for the training facility. These scientists have a brought a bad name to the agency as well as the country. So far they have not gone to the court so we cannot say anything about that. I hope courts fires the incapable scientists soon.Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 25, 2011 - 1:44PM

    The scientists were trained by the experts who have already imparted training to the experts working in other national institutions. The Personnels of CEMB (Punjab University and FIA) are working smoothly. No one objected their credentials.
    All scientists belong to fourteen different departments. Furthermore, it is pleasing to mention that these scientists are also members of respective international organization. The advantage of being members of these organizations is continuous advancements in respective fields. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 26, 2011 - 6:38AM

    Membership of organizations mean nothing. Anyone can subscribe to membership of thousands of organizations. They are open to all. Just pay the annual subscription fee.
    The scientists received training does not mean they are properly trained. Many people go to school but just a handful turn out to be any good. Sifarshis were employed and were sent for training. Please do not talk about CEMB as their employees have been involved in plagiarism. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 26, 2011 - 10:21PM

    I am a doctor. So, i am a member of PMDC. A non-MBBS cannot hold the membership of PMDC. Same is the case with other professional organizations like PEC, Bar councils and Institute of chartered accountants etc.
    Similarly, One may cite International Cricket Council to regulate all about cricket game (e.g. game rules etc.) at international level.
    In the similar manner, these scientists are also connected with international organizations.

    The Govt of Punjab has also hired a special personnels to check the charges of corruption in the Agency in Anti-corruption establishment which works directly under Chief secretary. The reports of this dept are also sent to CM for his direction.

    CEMB is an institute which works under PU and HEC. One wonders, how can the personnels working in it plagiarize. What i understand from plagiarism, it is taking of someone’s else work and showing it one’s own. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 26, 2011 - 10:37PM

    A mess of comments have been created. People are using different names. Anonymous is also in use. The people coming of different walks of life having different vested interests are using derogatory language. It is not fair.Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 27, 2011 - 6:13AM

    There is nothing wrong with any government department in Pakistan. The employees are the best employees in the world. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 27, 2011 - 6:18AM

    so there is no corruption in the government departments in Pakistan. How sweet!!
    Several Pakistani academics including CEMP, Centre for Solid State Physics, are involved in plagiarism. Becoming a member of an organization means nothing. The sifarshi scientists are unable to pass the certification exam. They will create a mess once they start going to the court. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 27, 2011 - 6:50AM

    Can anyone name the organizations whose membership these scientists hold? How can their membership be verified? What is the criteria for the membership?
    The governments have had several departments to keep corruption in check. The point is whether they have been successful. I came across a couple of scientists and was appalled by their lack of knowledge in their subjects. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 27, 2011 - 9:59AM

    Actually, the posts of executive staff of the agency have been advertised. So, to change the current Management of project, a no of allegations have been leveled. The recruitments are not made by PD but a penal is constituted comprising of officials of Home and other concerned departments.
    The current postings of officials of Home department can be seen in this context. Additional secretary home is going in field as a DCO. In this power tussle and new recruitment, many persons are being used as pawns.
    The list of selected last year is final and will not be changed because every member of the penal constituted has signed individual assessment. The documents has been classified by Home department and have been saved at two different locations as a classified state secret. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 27, 2011 - 1:16PM

    Yes, there is corruption in every department. So, we have anti-corruption regimes which may also be corrupt. So, we may have anto-anti- corruption dept. The cycle will go on till we reach our political leadership, Which is also………………..lolz…….Now, what remains to do??
    Basically, we all belong to corrupt society. We do not want to make things right. We want to take control of things in our hands. We make noise when our own interests are hurt. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 27, 2011 - 2:35PM

    A person waiting for this job for more than a year will be useless anyway. Everyone worth employing would have found a job some where else.Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 27, 2011 - 4:36PM

    Punjab forensic agency should have announced the delay of the project. They sent security officials in December 2010 giving the impression that the candidates are about to be called soon for job. They changed the dates of completion unrealistically again giving some hope to the candidates waiting for results. They must also have cared about the future of the candidates. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 27, 2011 - 8:59PM

    A person waiting for this job for more than a year will be useless anyway. Everyone worth employing would have found a job some where else.
    Good strategy: So, govt would have been announced the advertisement again because no one would have joined in that case. The circle would have to repeat again and again just to avoid those appointments.LOLzRecommend

  • sa
    Jun 28, 2011 - 9:35AM

    They should offer job to whatever crap is left.LOL.Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 28, 2011 - 10:14AM

    They should at least stick to their words. They have advertised posts after assessment of needs of Punjab. If they have advertised some posts, they are duty bound to conduct fair written test and interviews. Such a state of the art and modern project has delayed results which one cannot expect from other recruitment commissions. Recommend

  • anonymous
    Jun 28, 2011 - 12:23PM

    Good strategy: So, govt would have been announced the advertisement again because no one would have joined in that case. The circle would have to repeat again and again just to avoid those appointments.LOLz

    Excellent. The should wait another few years and then call the ripe old candidates. LOL. Instead of expecting the government to improve its workings and procedures, you are worried about the repetition of the circle. That’s pathetic. Recommend

  • hmm
    Jul 4, 2011 - 10:19PM

    At last D.G HAS JOINEDRecommend

  • naeem shahzad
    Jul 5, 2011 - 8:48AM

    that seems good.. so what now? does his joining means dat lab is functional now?Recommend

  • ammara.khawja
    Jul 5, 2011 - 10:51AM

    @hmm: Very well. So, when will the agency will announce the results? Recommend

  • hmm
    Jul 5, 2011 - 4:46PM

    hopefully within a month. I think before 14 Aug.InshaALLAHRecommend

  • anony
    Jul 5, 2011 - 9:54PM

    @ hmmm..
    u means to say selected candidates will be joining b4 14th august.. is it really so? :)Recommend

  • ammara.khawja
    Jul 6, 2011 - 7:17PM

    No one confirmed the news of 14th august. It seems that the agency is working in dark.Recommend

  • hmm
    Jul 6, 2011 - 11:58PM

    to whom u confirmed??Recommend

  • Malik
    Jul 7, 2011 - 3:44AM

    This NEWS STORY has become a DISCUSSION BOARD for the People waiting Result of PFSA. The one’s who appeared in interviews and were short listed for Security Clearance are a bit Hopeful and anxious for results. and The Ones who couldnt pass the Test are playing a BLAME GAME,
    Wish Success to the aspirants and Pray for the Loosers :)Recommend

  • ammara.khawja
    Jul 7, 2011 - 5:03AM

    i mean, there was no to confirm in these comments.Recommend

  • Muhammad ramzan
    Jul 7, 2011 - 11:14AM

    A news report was broadcasted on express 24/7 revealing that date has been extended to September 2011.

    http://tribune.com.pk/multimedia/videos/203612/ Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Jul 7, 2011 - 12:58PM

    tahts so not fair.. these contractors should be fined heavily.. :xRecommend

  • Muhammad ramzan
    Jul 7, 2011 - 3:07PM

    Although contractors have been fined yet he has applied for additional cost due to design modifications. Recommend

  • Muhammad ramzan
    Jul 7, 2011 - 3:08PM

    Although contractor have been fined yet he has applied for additional cost due to design modifications. Recommend

  • anon
    Jul 7, 2011 - 5:27PM

    is this deadline start of sept or end of sept???Recommend

  • Muhammad ramzan
    Jul 8, 2011 - 11:27AM

    what the past suggests, it will be end of September.Recommend

  • hmm
    Jul 8, 2011 - 8:42PM

    past suggests 3 times extension in the date.hahaha


  • Zumrad usman
    Jul 8, 2011 - 11:03PM

    @Ammara Khawja:
    asalamoaliakum.we are the pioneer students of Ms Forensic chemistry,from Govt. College lahore and in our course all the things which is necessary to solve the crime,or case we study i shell be very thank full to Chief Minster of Punjab and D.G forensic laboratories that please give us the opportunity.


  • anonymous
    Jul 9, 2011 - 1:52PM

    @Zumrad usman:
    It is good to see that special discipline of chemistry has been setup in prestigious institution. Hopefully, other new fields may be included in next recruitments.


  • ammara khawja
    Jul 9, 2011 - 2:38PM

    @Zumrad usman:
    some persons may be able to comment but i am not.
    yes, the date may be extended again.


  • Muhammad ramzan
    Jul 9, 2011 - 2:53PM

    @ammara khawja:
    Are you sure that the date will be extended again? What is your source of information?


  • Muhammad ramzan
    Jul 9, 2011 - 6:44PM

    In the video, the reporter says,”forensics is a complicated branch of science”…………lolz


  • anony
    Jul 9, 2011 - 7:56PM

    well inside news is.. lab will start working in december or jan 2012


  • ammara khawja
    Jul 9, 2011 - 8:28PM

    There is another interesting aspect of video clip. There is mention of trillions which is billions actually…..lolz


  • MAS
    Jul 9, 2011 - 9:13PM

    Nayyer Mahmood earlier badly governed the Punjab Information Department and ruined it with bad policies. Case was investigated against him during his posting in Karachi.


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