In-camera session: ISI chief shot back at ‘favour-seeking’ Nisar

Published: May 15, 2011

Spy chief launched a tirade of his own after weeks of attacks by opposition leader. PHOTO: AFP/FILE

ISLAMABAD: 

Though he spent a large chunk of the marathon session on the back foot, besieged by politicians, the chief of Pakistan’s premier intelligence agency did come out of his shell to silence fiery Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan.

Details of Friday’s closed-door session of a special joint sitting of Parliament continue to trickle out – with some interesting nuggets of information being narrated to The Express Tribune regarding an exchange between Director-General of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Lt-Gen Ahmad Shuja Pasha and Chaudhry Nisar.

Reported yesterday was a fiery speech by Nisar against the military establishment – but it emerged, through fresh information, that the DG ISI did not just stand there and take the tirade.

Pasha, who has been at the receiving end of a number of fiery speeches by the PML-N leader over the last few weeks, is said to have shocked Nisar by replying in the same token.

Nisar is said to have risen out of his seat for his speech right as the question and answer session was to begin. But a “visibly angry” Pasha snubbed Nisar in front of a full house.

Pasha claimed that he ‘knew’ why he was being targeted by the leader of the opposition as of late – alleging that Nisar had asked him for a personal favour, which he, as DG ISI, refused to extend.

Since then, said Pasha, Nisar had launched a number of tirades against him in particular and the military in general. However, Pasha said he would not reveal what the favour was on the floor of the august house – but would if asked outside.

An embarrassed Chaudhry Nisar was said to have been taken aback as Pasha continued with his ‘counter-attack’. The DG ISI kept on grilling Nisar, asking the PML-N leader if he knew what the effects of his recent tirades had been. Pasha told the house that on a recent trip to the US he was told by CIA chief Leon Panetta in an important meeting: ‘Look, General Pasha – how can we trust you when your own country’s opposition leader is saying that you cannot be believed?’

Pasha said that, despite having answers to all questions during that session, he did not have an answer to that question by the CIA chief.

“What should I tell the Americans?” the DG ISI asked in a bitter tone, addressing all the parliamentarians.

Pasha’s frustration seemed to be born out of an awkward moment. Pasha, besieged by the politicians, had offered to resign – and upon this offer, some members from the opposition benches shouted, “Please accept his resignation.”

The tension grew palpably when Pasha finished his counterattack. It was expected that Chaudhry Nisar, known for his hard stance and fiery speeches, would retaliate and at least refute the wild charges. But he remained seated.

It got worse for Nisar when his fellow party member, Javed Hashmi, who spent five years in jail during the Musharraf regime, got up to shower praise on the army

Interestingly enough, Chaudhry Nisar later praised the efforts of the generals.

A reality check

Lt-Gen Pasha was not the only serviceman to have his moment.

Pakistan’s deputy air chief was said to have deflated the prevalent nationalistic fervor in an emotionally-charged house as the parliamentarians were discussing the prospects of shooting down trespassing US drones.

The deputy air chief had been bombarded with constant questions by charged politicians whether or not the Pakistan Air Force was capable of shooting down intruding unmanned US aircraft.

Finally, the deputy air chief interjected: They have the capability of doing so, if asked. But, the leaders should understand the repercussions before debating this, such as a US attack.

After this analysis, when deputy air chief sought the permission of the parliamentarians to shoot USA drones, he found no takers. Sources said that, afterwards, the parliamentarians did not press the issue of shooting down drones.

CIA agents in our midst

The DG ISI also claimed in the session that the CIA was paying many important Pakistanis to protect their interests – and that the ISI had all the details of these people. However, sources said, Pasha did not identify anyone.

Where was the army chief?

There was no news of what Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani was doing during the session. According to sources in attendance, the army chief was not asked a single question by charged parliamentarians during the marathon session.

However, given the length of the session, Gen Kayani, known to be a chain smoker, was seen heading to the exits at regular intervals for a quick smoke.

Published in The Express Tribune, May 15th, 2011.

Reader Comments (91)

  • @ibmlove
    May 15, 2011 - 9:57AM

    I love you ISI, Love you Pak-Fouj.

    Many politicians are bikaoo mall, don’t care of them, after Allah we always look at you. We know what is the uniform means.Recommend

  • Mirza
    May 15, 2011 - 10:22AM

    Both BB and Nawaz Sharif know about the army and its cooperation with OBL and other terrorists. Both of these ex-prime ministers has said repeatedly in Mush’s time that he would never hand over OBL to the US. Now here is a news from the Washington Post where an ex-US Congressman tells that BB had told him that the army, ISI and OBL are in cahoot and against any democratic set up. That is why ISI general was talking the way he was talking. He should be ashamed, apologize and resign otherwise fired.

    Here is what BB said about these generals:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-benazir-bhutto-knew-about-pakistan-and-bin-laden/2011/05/11/AFvkDz2G_story.html

    “On numerous occasions, Benazir spoke of the influence of the Pakistani intelligence services.

    She made clear that when she was the elected prime minister, ostensibly the leader of the nation, she had had little control over intelligence organizations or the military.

    A fervent believer in the need to combat Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism, she bemoaned the close relationships among the Taliban, al-Qaeda and Pakistan’s intelligence community.

    She felt they were “in cahoots” in Afghanistan, working against American and Western interests, and she recognized that her own life might be threatened because of her efforts to address this problem.”

    Michael D. BarnesRecommend

  • Qasim
    May 15, 2011 - 10:28AM

    Not surprised; they are all made of the same cloth. I am sure ISI has lot more in hands to discredit their patriotism.Recommend

  • Naweed Rashid
    May 15, 2011 - 10:31AM

    Opposition leader should be held on the floor house to answer Mr Pashas revealing of favour asked and if proven he should be fired from the post of oppostion leader. Let be together behind our country ineterest not personal favours.Recommend

  • Riaz
    May 15, 2011 - 10:45AM

    Excellent reply by Pasha to this puppet. PAK ARMY Zindabad.Recommend

  • Mahmood
    May 15, 2011 - 11:13AM

    Asalam
    “aay puter hattaan tay nae wekday”

    Salam to Pakistan Army and be sure we are backing youRecommend

  • Saad Durrani
    May 15, 2011 - 11:16AM

    Why keep it closeted when the sauce is poring out every minute?Recommend

  • May 15, 2011 - 11:29AM

    I demand a JUDICIAL inquiry in the matter in which Ch Nisar tried to seek illegal help from DG ISI.

    There is need to REMOVE Ch Nisar from the post of the Leader of Opposition Immediately, so that he wont interfere with the judicial probe.

    If proven guilty, then he should be banned from politics for rest of his life.Recommend

  • Fahd Shah
    May 15, 2011 - 11:30AM

    The nation is the first interest in all aspects. so if we have any traitors among us, they should be confiscated in such a way that others take lesson.Recommend

  • May 15, 2011 - 11:31AM

    “What should I tell the Americans?” the DG ISI asked in a bitter tone, addressing all the parliamentarians.”

    Why should the DG ISI meet with the American without any minister or foreign office rep present? This equation should change. But by the looks of it, it seems that the parliamentarians who have enough to hide will not push for real changes. Recommend

  • Anjum H
    May 15, 2011 - 11:41AM

    For the first time, in a long time, I am happy that the parliament of Pakistanis actually sat all together with the army and ISI chiefs and had an open conversation. I hope that this continues.

    (I have to add, I am neither a blind supporter of the Army nor the Corrupt politicians. 60 pct of our budget goes to Defence and not even a fraction to education. I blame both for. The army has ruled Pakistan for much of its existence but for the time the politicians ruled, the country was mire in chaos and corruption.) I am just happy that both sides are sitting together in the parliament and actually talking.

    I hope they continue to talk but not just about blaming the US or alleged perpetrators of Islam. Please also talk about education, economic steps to be taken and implemented and health care. This is what parliaments in developed countries debate primarily.Recommend

  • Ashraf R
    May 15, 2011 - 11:42AM

    @Qasim:
    Don’t get confused between “terrorism” and “patriotism”. Recommend

  • Asia Siddiqui
    May 15, 2011 - 11:48AM

    What a kangaroo affair.

    Accusations and innuendos flew, little questioning on facts.

    Instead of asking the augusts general why OBL the guy who has been responsible for the massacre of over 2000 Pakistanis every year and much more mayhem in Pakistan was living in army’s backyard, these guys kept bickering on innuendos. What rubbish.

    This was an enquiry of whether the army and ISI committed treason by harboring and aiding a known terrorist who has killed Pakistanis by thousands. Instead it turned into a circus.

    For his part either the general reveals what the ISI knows of these political hooligans (and does the nation a service) or stops using these threats to keep detractors quiet.

    May Allah help usRecommend

  • May 15, 2011 - 1:07PM

    I am so tired of Pakistan. That is why I have left Pakistan to settle in Germany. Yes sure, I am a second class citizen here and I have to tolerate the racist behavour of the Germans but I love the money more than my pride and my self-respect. :DRecommend

  • Sana Abbas
    May 15, 2011 - 1:22PM

    Well-done Kalasra Sb for this exclusive inside news of the in camera session that no one has reported before.Recommend

  • blithe
    May 15, 2011 - 1:31PM

    How unprofessional by Pahsa!
    What he said sounds like utter rubbish!

    Pasha told thehouse that on a recent trip to the US he was told by CIA chief Leon Panetta in an important meeting: ‘Look, General Pasha – how can we trust you when your own country’s opposition leader is saying that you cannot be believed?’

    Pahsa, learn to live in a democracy! You certainly do not have a monoploy on wisdom.
    And if you had any self-respect, you would have resigned voluntarily.
    We are sick of your double games, especially the way you got an extention at the cost
    of Pakistan having to realease Raymond Davis. Recommend

  • yasir muhammad
    May 15, 2011 - 1:41PM

    Its very simple, just throw away black sheep and serve this COUNTRY with zeal and zest. Only then can we prosper….Recommend

  • A Pakistani
    May 15, 2011 - 2:02PM

    “What should I tell the Americans?” — ???
    Why a Pakistani military official is so concerned about questions from American?
    Why don’t these so called officials let the public representatives (even if they are abject fools) do the foreign relations.???Recommend

  • narayana murthy
    May 15, 2011 - 2:17PM

    @Anjum,

    “For the first time, in a long time, I am happy that the parliament of Pakistanis actually sat all together with the army and ISI chiefs and had an open conversation.”

    Army chief did not sit with the politicians for conversation. He left before the question and answer session began. Now, go figure.Recommend

  • Aftab Kenneth Wilson
    May 15, 2011 - 2:21PM

    Lt. Gen Pasha must inform the nation what type of favor was asked by leader of the opposition Ch. Nisar and secondly properly name those leaderships and individuals who have been funded by Saudi Arabia, Iran and Libya???? The nation must now know the sleeper cells both in political and religious parties who are more responsible for the mess created in our country. Many can be easily identified while they mostly enjoy and keep occupying their seats in legislative assemblies.Recommend

  • Salman Zafar
    May 15, 2011 - 2:59PM

    Very good step by army.Recommend

  • Nation Prevails
    May 15, 2011 - 3:01PM

    @Sophia Husnain:
    You should have said that you left Pakistan for money not for other reasons, Even im not in Pakistan but still I LOVE my Country Pakistan.

    But is important but money doesn’t represent you it’s your Identity which represents you. No matter how far you run from your background it will always be with you so accept the truth.

    Pakistan Prevail.Recommend

  • Saad H
    May 15, 2011 - 3:04PM

    Wow, this is actually so funny! All these secrets coming out of the so called patriotic politicians! It should be definitely investigated what the special favour was that Chaudhry Nisar wanted. And well done to Shuja Pasha for shutting him up!Recommend

  • May 15, 2011 - 3:10PM

    So what we basically had was a massive ego clash. Great stuff, hopefully they will all settle their personal scores, and in the mean time the people of Pakistan can just “hope” that their interests are being taken care off. Recommend

  • ikhan
    May 15, 2011 - 3:18PM

    Our COAS bad habit of chain smoking can be injurious to our country’s sovereignty – A simple advice from common PakistanisRecommend

  • ahmed
    May 15, 2011 - 3:18PM

    @sophia
    well said madam money is everything. lolzRecommend

  • Husain
    May 15, 2011 - 3:27PM

    I understand now why the security agencies do not present them in front of these so called Parliamentarians. We all know their conduct and how they are used to making petty accusations. This is the last thing the security agencies would want to be part of. I am sure however, that a genuinely democratic parliament who first account for their actions, would be able to command respect of these security institutions and hence hold them accountable .Recommend

  • Moazzam
    May 15, 2011 - 3:27PM

    Pakistan Army is the might. ISI/MI/FIA/FBR/IB forever! Politicians of Pakistan are untrustworthy.Recommend

  • Copper
    May 15, 2011 - 3:37PM

    ISI is a shameless organisation. It failed to do its duty properly, and the irony is the chief is being praised for intervening in politics. Pasha’s performance is pathetic. He admits they failed, why don’t he resign? (without drama that if PM says this I will resign, on a gunpoint)Recommend

  • gsb
    May 15, 2011 - 4:02PM

    shame on you pasha, threatening an elected representative of people.Recommend

  • MI
    May 15, 2011 - 4:05PM

    Good answer by Pasha. These selfish and blackmailer politicians should deserve this kind of response. I love my country and ARMY.Recommend

  • Butt
    May 15, 2011 - 4:10PM

    One media group and a few politicians are ganged up against Pak Army. They are trying to weaken our army on behest of India?Recommend

  • Mustafa Kamal
    May 15, 2011 - 5:24PM

    I wonder whether they will be able to implement the Resolution which they just passed. We have a lot of laws but no implementation,Recommend

  • bohot khuub
    May 15, 2011 - 5:39PM

    @Sophia: I admire your comment. I know hundreds of Pakistanis working abroad and it’s rare to find one who wants to go back to Pakistan. Guess which community has the most marriages witg local Malaysians? Do I need to answer????Recommend

  • mahmood
    May 15, 2011 - 6:16PM

    @gsb:
    What elected representatives, with fake degrees? He at least may have a bachalor degree, still what if he obtained it after joining the service.Recommend

  • May 15, 2011 - 7:00PM

    Gen Pasha,

    Well Done. I really admire the way you handled the Assembly of the Good, the Bad and the Ugly representatives.

    Many of them are fake degree holders and most of them are here due to fake votes.

    They are people who breed big ego and arrogance like Tehmina Doltana and Ch Nisar.

    I wish you brought their personal dossiers along for the info of public.

    I appreciate the way you handled them.Recommend

  • Kazmis
    May 15, 2011 - 7:42PM

    @blithe:
    …And American will be appreciating foresightedness of Nisar now.Recommend

  • Sam
    May 15, 2011 - 9:40PM

    @gsb:

    would nisar have uttered A WORD if he had been in power. these people only have a voice when they are NOT in power.Recommend

  • Rohail
    May 15, 2011 - 9:58PM

    Good job General Pasha!Recommend

  • Rohail
    May 15, 2011 - 10:18PM

    Good job General Pasha. You are the man!Recommend

  • Aisha Jalani
    May 15, 2011 - 10:42PM

    Nawaz Sharif and CH Nisar better see beyond Musharraf and for poor whom PPPZ,.MQM,ANPand now MLQ has destroyed.Rise above your dirty arrogance and love Pakistan.Nation is disappointed by you in three years .Recommend

  • Tariq
    May 15, 2011 - 10:43PM

    Cant answer questions than change the subject. Only in Pakistan a public servant will state these things in ParlimentRecommend

  • let there be peace
    May 15, 2011 - 10:52PM

    i can imagine how it began.

    all the parliamentarians are sitting and talking to each others.
    then the army and isi chief enter through door.
    suddenly there is silence. everyone stands up like students would stand up when teacher and headmaster enters the class.
    teacher and headmaster…err…i mean the chiefs move to the centre of class. and sternly stare at the class.
    the chiefs sit down.
    slowly all the children also sit down.
    the class begins………Recommend

  • Ajay
    May 15, 2011 - 11:26PM

    @blithe:
    This Pasha seems to have limited common sense. When leader of opposition had made this remark, Pasha should have reponded to him clarifying the position preferably when he was on Pakistani soil or even after he had departed for US. He could have easily explained to Leon that he had issued a clarification or was going to issue one. All this is normla in a democracy. The problem with Pakistani culture as with Indian culture is that many do not believe in open, honest communication and prefer to keep quiet until it becomes absolutely necessary. often it is a lack of respect for the institutions and democracy itself that people like Pasha and Nawaz or Shahbaz do not think they need to respond to queries or questions coming from what they think are inconsequential people.Recommend

  • Ajay
    May 15, 2011 - 11:30PM

    contd.. The other day PML-Q senator spoke angrily in Parliament or Assembly that he would pull out the tomgue of anybody who made blasphemous remarks against the military or ISI. He responsed to a lady senator from PML-N who criticized the handling of situation by the army and ISI.

    Does this PML-Q senator understand what democracy is?
    The lady senator had every right to ask the toughest questions. Who is this senator to pull out someon’s tongue. And what is blaspemous about criticizing sonmeone?

    Senators in Pakistan do not understand what democracy is? Recommend

  • Saad Tarik
    May 15, 2011 - 11:42PM

    @Sophia Husnain:
    Shame on you – thats all I can say. I left the west so that I can help make my country better. there are other things which are far more important then the money aspect.

    And for those people who are reading this from far out west I would suggest my brothers and sisters to come forward and help our country. Its not a time to shy away from the prevailing scenario.

    Atleast, you guys have an identity, consider this if there was no Pakistan tomorrow, what would you call yourself?

    I bet then “your Germany” won’t come to the rescue and up the status of yours to a 1st class citizen would they. You would be labelled as the “friends of the terrorists” or even worse terrorists…

    Pakistan needs everyone. Imagine, if all Pakistanis living abroad vote for a change? I mean how many of us have voted in elections while living abroad, come to think about it? Let’s vote for a change..lets vote for some sane heads…Enough of PPP–Pml-q-n..x y z.etc….Recommend

  • May 15, 2011 - 11:54PM

    Exactly what I had thought would have happened at the house. These unethical corrupt leaders cant stand to the checks Army and ISI has put on them, because if they are left unwatched these jokers would have sold the country to the CIA for only loose bucks!
    I salute the Army and ISI for their devotion to the country’s securityRecommend

  • Mahmood Ahmed
    May 16, 2011 - 12:16AM

    @Mirza:
    Mirza, you are quoting what BB said and she was a corrupt liar. The only people that should be scared of the ISI are the looters of the country. Just because Washington says what it claims, doesn’t mean its true. Perhaps you should question your integrity before you question the ISI or the armed forces of our great Nation of Pakistan.

    BB had little control over the ISI because the ISI is the saviour of Pakistan and if it were not for them keeping an eye on the corrupt politicians, the country would not exist.

    May Allah protect the ISI and Paksitan Army, Navy and Pakistan as a whole.Recommend

  • Mahmood Ahmed
    May 16, 2011 - 12:22AM

    @Mirza:
    Mirza, you are quoting what BB said and she was a corrupt liar. The only people that should be scared of the ISI are the looters of the country. Just because Washington says what it claims, doesn’t mean its true. Perhaps you should question your integrity before you question the ISI or the armed forces of our great Nation of Pakistan.

    BB had little control over the ISI because the ISI is the saviour of Pakistan and if it were not for them keeping an eye on the corrupt politicians, the country would not exist.

    May Allah protect the ISI and Paksitan Army, Navy and Pakistan as a whole.

    To command respect, you must earn it. None of our Politicians are honest – Respect has to be earned.Recommend

  • May 16, 2011 - 12:23AM

    @Anjum H: I dont know where people like you get your figures from and than start writing on blogs. Even wikipedia which is never believed to be an accurate or credible source but the uncertainty would be very minute or less. Pakistan spends 21% of the budget hearing Musharaf, it could now be around 26%. Rest I dont have any problem with what you say!Recommend

  • May 16, 2011 - 1:20AM

    @Sophia Husnain: Moving to other countries isn’t the solution. Learn to get a life. Its people like you who move to other countries while letting their home burning thinking it would sort itself out. What did you give to the development or wellbeing of Pakistan?? I wish i could cancel out your Pakistani passport so that you be handed a refugee status to learn how denouncing your Nationalities makes you a person who has no home to go. Recommend

  • robert
    May 16, 2011 - 1:23AM

    We should Nuke Pakistan..

    They are no friend of the US

    You people are scum of the earth, and we should send all of you to your 72 virgins as quickly as possibleRecommend

  • Sameer
    May 16, 2011 - 1:56AM

    Everyone is guilty here. Pasha offered his resignation why couldnt they take when the whole nation is demanding? Although getting rid of one man is not enough but it will send a message across.
    Politicians are corrupt and guilty themselves and they probably have dirty secrets with the ISI/ARMY. Every single politician and Armymen should be made accountable. Even if Army gives up power it will come to politicians who have been ruling from generations. Corruption will only spread more and more. People need to stand up and run for offices. When clean people will b running the offices they wont be threatened by Army people. Recommend

  • Arindom
    May 16, 2011 - 2:02AM

    What a circus!

    Imagine – RAW head talking like that to Sushma Swaraj (leader of opposition in India)?

    He’d be stripped, grilled, roasted and cut to pieces!

    (actually I think in India he’ll never get such an opportunity – his boss – a cabinet secretary level bureaucrat at most may get the chance? Maybe not even that!)

    This is an eye-opener for the world – it goes to say how much power the ISI controls in Pakistan!! Recommend

  • Junaid
    May 16, 2011 - 2:09AM

    They were fighting their so called personnel agenda war in the assembly. Both pasha and nisar cross shouting at each other. I don not understand. Well to be realistic this all is a big fault of armed forces they must except. Mr- Nisar keep quiet because he was wrong but the lay man is still questioning “what he heck you are doing forces” Recommend

  • Dr. Asad Sadick, Germany
    May 16, 2011 - 2:30AM

    As a leader of the opposition Ch. Nisar has every right to ask the ISI chief for a favour. If he (ISI Pasha) refuses to comply, that is again his right. No big deal. Our country runs on favours anyway. But harbouring a terrorist like OBL is criminal.Recommend

  • Imran Khan
    May 16, 2011 - 4:25AM

    @Copper:

    CIA is a shameless organisation too. They failed to protect Americans from 9/11 and havent admitted the responsibility.Recommend

  • May 16, 2011 - 4:30AM

    The contrast of action and words, becomes more than just evident here!Recommend

  • Arif
    May 16, 2011 - 5:25AM

    How come these emotionally unstable people heading our prestigious institutions. If this pasha guy can be tripped on certain questions by opposition, imagine how would he behave when some foreigner asks him some tough questions. these military guys will never understand. we should get rid of this agency once and for all and create another one which is headed by civilians just like cia and or any other one in the world. Recommend

  • Munna Bhai
    May 16, 2011 - 5:51AM

    ISI must be spending more resources on collecting secrets of its politicians than on defence or its anti-Indian plans. So the lawmakers must institute auditing system to figure out how the resources are used. How much is siphoned by top brass, how much is spent for spying on fellow Pakistanis & how much is left for using for its real purpose of defence.Recommend

  • fahad
    May 16, 2011 - 6:25AM

    http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/may2011-daily/16-05-2011/col4.htm
    hamid mir explains in this column about the favour asked by ch nisar.Recommend

  • khan
    May 16, 2011 - 8:09AM

    @Sophia Husnain:
    wow what a patriotism… I think this is the spirit because of which we are always considered as cowards and traitors…. Nice Recommend

  • khan
    May 16, 2011 - 8:15AM

    @gsb:
    when these elected representatives are shameless creatures, then as an army officer pasha has certainly the right to snub them and SHUT THEIR MOUTHS UP!!!Recommend

  • khan
    May 16, 2011 - 8:21AM

    @Arindom:
    yes. But RAW is nt a concerned institution for such situation. It has other businesses to take care of, like bombing in pak, supporting taliban, and spreading terrorism…. Recommend

  • khan
    May 16, 2011 - 8:27AM

    @Dr. Asad Sadick, Germany:
    sir, firstly, nice try to give ur name a western touch. Secondly, as the opposition leader ch nisar has a duty as well. Remain united and find a solution instead of politicising institutions..Recommend

  • khan
    May 16, 2011 - 8:35AM

    it was a good gesture by pak army to show the nation that they are answerable to policymakers and their priority is national security. They wanted the politicians to formulate a clear policy. But alas to say, our politicians are the most selfish in the world. For them their own grievences and favors come before pakistan. They ar dumb, illitrate oppurtunists who can sell their pride and respect for some dollars. They are nt worthy to be briefed by ARMY.
    PAK ARMY ZINDABADRecommend

  • Mohammad Yusuf
    May 16, 2011 - 9:00AM

    Nawaz Sharif and CH Nisar should see now beyond their lost empire in 1999.Nature provided them another opportunity after Long March to make amends in the wrongs done by PPP-Zardari and of past but they wasted it to hurt the poor and only benefit,Zardari who became the most corrupt,most despotic and nastiest of ruler prostrating to UK,drones,India,USA etc.Better apologize to nation and come into nationalistic role in the field of Pakistan than Raiwaind Empire.If you cannot replace yourself with powerful,honest and dynamic leadership in country who is not scarce.Recommend

  • Mahboob khaan
    May 16, 2011 - 9:38AM

    All the politicians in Pakistan have been seeking ISI’s assistance for coming into power.ISI should not be blindly blamed.
    Rahman Malick, the interior minister should also be held responsible for not knowing about OBL living in Abbotabad. As far as I know, the location where Osama Bin Laden lived in Abbottabad belonged to the city government or city administration under the city nazim, sup.police and IB officials under Rahman Malick,the interior minister. Why could not the SHO keep track of the area residents.The agencies under Rahman Malick are also responsible for OBL episode.They should also be brought before the parliament and sbe agrilled. Recommend

  • Noor
    May 16, 2011 - 9:59AM

    @Mirza
    Your quoted link confirmed, she had come to become PM, on Americasn crutches.
    even after getting elected, why she discussed our internal affairs with outsiders?
    better to wake up to reality, our agencies are still open to govt/people, cia/raw, etc are not even this much open & far too powerful against anyone who try to differ with them.

    @Arindom
    RAW head will never present himself like this.
    RAW & CIA heads are much more powerful, but are not critisized due to their control over international media

    @Copper
    Had ISI harboured Osama, nobody could have found him.
    any agency can have little weaknesses.
    ISI failed to perform its duty as per desires of outsiders, not to our country.

    @gsb
    Shame on you, for not understanding, who among them is the true voice of people.Recommend

  • Zaka
    May 16, 2011 - 11:22AM

    @Arindom
    Do not poke your nose hear. It is ISI that has kept Indian army to size. Pak Army ZindabadRecommend

  • Salahuddin bari
    May 16, 2011 - 2:53PM

    its a very sad moment in the history of Pakistan that on one hand army is demoralised on the coward US action and on the other corrupt and illiterate politicians of Pakistan are raising fingers on their own army. we all know the worth of these politicians. a general gives almost 35-40 years of his life to the army to become a general and during whole of his service he is protecting and safeguarding the borders of his motherland at the cost of his and his family’s life. what these politicians are doing? what they have given to this nation? siting in airconditioned rooms, enjoying all the facilities and talking of army. pak army is still the best in the world. ch Nisar and his fellows should look into their own past and their sacrifices for this nation. they used to call themselves as the elected representative of this country, everyone knows the system of election in this country which is clan based, money based and rigging based, so anyone who has money, power and a group of gangsters can win elections in this country, but everyone can’t become army officer till the time he proves himself capable enough. i really feel sorry for these ignorant politicians who themselves don’t know the alif bay of anything, and talking about army. they have their personal grudges which they found a chance to vomit out. this was the time to get united and stand behind our own army, but unfortunately we are making our enemies hand more strong. this is our worth. we are not a nation but a herd of sheeps, anyone can push us wherever and whenever they wish. PML(n) should not talk of their own injuries which they think army has given them, it was all because of their own stupidity. first of all bring democracy between your parties and then talk of democracy in the country. just spend few days with these soldiers at Siachin, then talk against these soldiers. how can such politicians and elected representatives be loyal to the country. they only has given loadshedding, lawleness, price hike and many more problems to this nation and nothing else. they failed to unite us as a nation, it is really disappointing. Recommend

  • Abu Abdullah
    May 16, 2011 - 5:10PM

    @deep:
    Pasha was there to meet his counterpart for intel to intel discussionRecommend

  • Shabbar
    May 16, 2011 - 8:21PM

    @deep:
    Yea, there should have been some illiterate palimentarian to accompany Gen Pasha. By the way, it happens always that counter-parts have meetings and not the others.Recommend

  • Shabbar
    May 16, 2011 - 8:24PM

    @Mirza:
    Man! BB is no more, so I don’t want to put here any hard comments, but yet she is the same who had NRO agreement with Musharraf for coming back to pakistan, with amricans as gauranteer. BB was of the same kinda plicitician as the other politicians now a days, except that she was more educated and had broad exposure. That’s it.Recommend

  • Shabbar
    May 16, 2011 - 8:29PM

    @Copper:
    No one is perfect, even if it is ISI. But at least ISI chief had courage to admit. And these shameless politicians, just looking for their personal benefits. At least Pakistan army is much more partriotics and vigililent to national interests then these pathetic politicians.Recommend

  • Shabbar
    May 16, 2011 - 8:32PM

    @Anjum H:
    What 60% to Army. Ever have you looked at Bugdetary documents and figures. This is the propaganda that our pathtic politicians have been propagating. Once these politicians used to say it 80% and now they changed figure to this 60%. Go and look at the actual figures to beware of reality.Recommend

  • Shabbar
    May 16, 2011 - 8:43PM

    @Ajay:
    Yea, Gen Pasha should have replied if there was a question. But if you are blaming someone, he do have right to respond you in the same coin. And if Mr. Nisar was really such a pious, he must have retalliated immediately and told the house about Pasha’s statement being un-true with demand of proofs. If you are a believer of this so called democracy, learn to listen to everyone ant not just to your favourite ones.Recommend

  • Shabbar
    May 16, 2011 - 8:48PM

    @Uzair Javaid:
    And I need to add to your words that these figures are for whole defence, including Army, Navy, Airforce, Nuclear research & devlopement facilities and all other defence research & developement facilities.Recommend

  • Iki
    May 16, 2011 - 10:37PM

    Somebody asked why did Pasha go to USA without a minister or a public representative. Guys remember when americans said come for strategic dialogue, and Kayani had to go to president to nominate someone for that. Not a single minister or elected legislature was there to go. Kayani had to himself go. Thats the calibre of our representatives. Atleast Pasha came through a refined process up to this level, not like Nisar who has come only because he has a lot of moneyRecommend

  • Noise
    May 16, 2011 - 10:48PM

    This deputy air chief is the sort of man Pakistan needs. A realist that exposes the posersRecommend

  • Shabab
    May 17, 2011 - 9:08AM

    It’s high time to see in the eye of America and tell her the lesson other wise i bet on it that America will soon be bombarding Pakistan and and our Army and Politicians will remain spectators. Please be a MAN.

    Please say should we start war with America. we cant fight with America. At last you will not have any option other wise Pakistan will have to sell her sovereignity.

    I Pray from Allah that give dare to our Politician and Army as well to live their lifes like Sahabas.Recommend

  • May 17, 2011 - 11:00AM

    UBL was not hiding in pakistan.. it was a plot,,mega plot, he was dropped in the house 1st and then fake operation was conducted,,,u would not believe but if u know that initially landed of one of the heli was not planned ,,,then why was it told to land …….the answer is just to drop the body of UBL(reportedly sick and in US custody). this is just a game to put american boot in pakistan and then later carryout another incident to declare that nukes are dangerous and likely to get into hands of Terrorists…….all Bloody story by USA….but we lack will to think deeply into it….Recommend

  • muhammad iftikhar
    May 17, 2011 - 12:57PM

    whole nation seems to be fed up with hypocratic and dual standards of politicians. .mind it that Mush did ablunder to keep corrupt polititians to rule. be fare and never do it again, rather invite them on a abig ship in deep sea for picnic.Recommend

  • Hmmm
    May 17, 2011 - 3:36PM

    What brand does our beloved Kiyani smoke? Marlboro Lights? Dunhill? Local or imported? Does he get it on subsidized rates? Arrange an in-camera session folks!! We need to knowRecommend

  • Ramis
    May 17, 2011 - 11:15PM

    Here’s the link to an article on ISI published by Time magazine in its current issue as part of a very hard hitting cover story on Pakistan and its Army.

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2070997,00.html

    Time magazine is not known for any anti Pakistan editorial policy. I have been reading this magazine for the past three decades and have never found any story which was not based on facts. Please read the current issue of Time as this is what over 27 million important people around the world will be reading this week and forming their opinions upon.Recommend

  • nadeem
    May 18, 2011 - 12:32PM

    if any 1 is sincere to dis country iiieee, pak army.. plz understand these politicians.. dnt trust them, they all are of same categories except one odd.. but they dnt get any representation in assemblyRecommend

  • Imran Chaudry
    May 18, 2011 - 1:26PM

    The only honorable option is for Kiyani, Pasha and Qamar Suleiman to Resign. They are all a National Disgrace. Recommend

  • May 19, 2011 - 7:54AM

    Tehrik-e Taliban India (TTi) kill 7 Indian soldiers http://bit.ly/iJKVyaRecommend

  • Arun
    May 21, 2011 - 9:06AM

    Pakistan seems to be slipping inot a collective death wish. They are missing every opportunity they get to make a U turn and head in right direction.Recommend

  • IWriteURead
    May 31, 2011 - 9:02AM

    @Mirza
    Sir, why was Michael D. Barnes quite till date. If he knew of this back in 2007 then he should have spoke of it and saved us from a whole lot of civilian deaths.
    It’s all fabricated because BB is not there to mark it’s authenticity.
    We are in no denial, a mistake has been made and OBL was found late. But this doesnt mean we should defame the military which is the only hope for this collapsing nation.Recommend

  • Shehzad
    Jun 29, 2011 - 9:32AM

    Where is Rauf Klasra after this post; on which newspaper he is writting? any one knows about himRecommend

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