North Waziristan: Drone strike kills 15 amid fraying Pak-US ties

Ha..ha..ha..
this is only I can do for Pakistan..
Pakistan ke logo ..Jago…Recommend

When will the establishment realize that the strength of the country comes from its people. That is what defines and bonds nations. Why are we tolerating these drone attacks? Put the JF Thunder and F-16s to use and shoot these drones down. They are killing innocentsRecommend

I can only pray for better strength to Pakistani Citizens to be able to raise up and fight against their moriband, ineffective and downright dangerous army. Their army is not only corrupt (as is the case with most of Middle eastern ruling establishments), they seem to have way too many ideologically compromised people.

The army needs to be brought firmly under the control of civilians, and needs to be purged of the elements with radical indoctrination.

Failing that, not only Pakistan will be doomed, it may drag India, Afghanistan along with it.Recommend

The report itself says its a stronghold of a militant commander. So why cant the army go & get them!Recommend

Guys wake up….Recommend

Now the world knows that Pakistan doesn’t care whatever terrorists does in their land. The world knows what it needs to done, the only option is to bring down the Islamic militants using drones. Keep it up USA…..Recommend

Hi…We will allow only Amercans to carry out drone attack, If any one other than America try to do such mission, the consequences will be severe.Recommend

They are back again to kill the remaining terrorists in N Wazrisitan to which our army give a safe heaven. We cannot believe on our Pak Army as they proved sanctuary to OBL in their cantonment area of Abbotabad. Recommend

There was a time when Pak Army was considered the World’s best & strongest Army and Pakistani nation felt proud of it. But now they look like a cat under the water. They’re making people hopeless. They behave like our politicians always making excuses. Recommend

A good reminder by the US… just in case we forgot the status of our ‘sovereignty’…Recommend

lolx! Again voilation of soverignity of Pakistan Just a day after Corps Commanders Conference!!! Thats way they answer’s Cheif Of Army StaffRecommend

The bravado of Salman Basheer and Kayani didn’t last even for a day. All those Pakistanis who are wondering as to why Pakistani military cannot bring down these American drones; the answer is that America would bomb Pakistan to stone ages if any such bravado is undertaken. These drones, by the way, can be easily shot down by all those American stingers which Pakistani military stole after the anti Soviet Jihad. Therefore don’t get needlessly worked up about these drone attacks and learn to live with the truth that as long as Pakistan is taking money from America, it will never have any moral right to question American bullying. Recommend

Now that the whole establishment has been seen in its true nature, will Imran Khan fulfill his promise of blocking NATO supplies to Afghanistan ?Recommend

If Army is not aware, they dont have any info about their presence like that of OBL, let the drones kill them.. :) :) :)
Army, you keep on building DHAs, use your FWO for building and NLC for transportationRecommend

@ Mastishhk

Salman Bashir cuts a sorry figure in an effort to defend the senior leadership of the military that, by the way, includes his brother Admiral Noman Bashir. If the ISI continues to hold sway on senior ambassadorial appointments Salman will get another choice assignment. It is however the job of the Defence Minister and/or the Defence Secretary to be commenting on the Abbottabad debacle. Salman Bashir’s arguments sound quite pathetic and he has a hidden agenda and he should adopt the wisdom of keeping silent on a matter that is, at best, peripheral to the mandate of the Foreign Office.Recommend

@khalid masood,why are you explaining your theory to a SE asian.i think outside pakistan,everyone is indian for you.and regarding your long list menu card,we have already finished most of the movement including khalistan,ulfa etc.the only big problem is of maoist which no sane indian deny.BTW,how many of them blast bombs all the time and shout jihad?how many time of do these people take responsibility of any terrorist activity?wake up from your deep sleep and smell the coffee. Recommend

@Ali Nawaz:

When was Pakistani Army, the best in the world?.

It lost every war it started. Lost half of the Country. Eats up most of Pakistan’s GDP. Please start reading some legitimate news papers and records, they are easily available. Stop believing in the press releases that the army puts out for the consumtion of the kitchen cabinets in Pakistan.Recommend

Drone are Reality

Drone attacks are reality and our response should be based on rationale and reality.
Rhetoric sentiments, statements and comments look impressive to ordinary people but they won’t work positively in the realms of real combat, real politics and real diplomacy.

First of all is what do we want ?

We want to eliminate terrorists who are killing our innocent people all over Pakistan and elsewhere !!!!!!. That is a fact.

How to do that ?

First option could be ……Send troops of Pak Army and eliminate them………….. If Army move from their base to the target area then terrorists are informed about such move once the Army is still 20 kilometers away. It is a hi-tech ear. They are even using satellite cell phones.
Other option could be……Send helicopter borne troops as they can reach fast…… We in Pak Army and PAF have limited helicopters.. If we send 500 or 1000 troops by helicopters with no major weapon or artillery… they are likely to be butchered by well entrenched terrorists and their local supporters as troops will be open in relatively unknown area without Artillery support.
Third option is ….. send F-16 of PAF and drop big 1000 KG bombs….. this can cause colossal collateral damage.

LAST OPTION left is the Drones…. I mean US drones…… So live with that…… please.

Only thing is that Drone must hit terrorists and not civilians.

But we do not like drones…………………..so what do we do ?

Shoot down these damn drones……………………….. But Pak Army and PAF do not possess such system which can shoot down US drones. Sure… we did shoot down Indian Drone by F-16 few years back but that was an Indian one…….old and obsolete technology. Moreover, to me, it was a fluke as F-16 is fast moving aircraft and drone is a slow moving aerial target. Drone fly much high, away from the ground based Air Defence System of Pak Army and PAF… may it be RBS-70/90, Oerlikon or even Crotale SAM System.

Only way is diplomacy…….. Make US policy makers believe that Drone Attacks are counterproductive….. That is the job of our leadership.

Wake up your leaders or Live with Drone Attacks

But if drone attacks are stopped…. How you are going to kill terrorists ? Tell me if you have some answer !!!!!!Recommend

@Ali Nawaz:
Was it in 1965 or 1971 (Dhaka), or 1987 (Siachin) or 1999( Kargil)? Please read history before commenting about your army. Recommend

@Khalid Masood:
You are good at digging out the names of rag tag forces in the northeast of India which does not even count for 2% of India’s population. There is a lot of talk about Maoist who has only been able to attack areas under the control of less than 3% of India’s police stations. And FYI, the Maoists are Indians and they just want to make India a communist state. If the whole of India wants to be communist, then whats the big deal and none of your business. At least they are not religious zealots like the hundreds of groups operating in your country. We have not had suicide bombings or civilian slaughters by the Maoists. Just check the number of attacks carried out by the groups in Pakistan and the American drones this year. No less than 30 of them have been inflicted on your country which is supposed to be protected by the fourth largest nuclear power in the world. Even as I write this, the country is reeling under an attack against the Shias, a bomb blast in Karachi and a drone attack in NW. Just take a look at the square kms lost by the Pakistan fauj since independence before comic chest beating. East Pakistan to Bangladesh, Siachen to India and now North Waziristan to Afghanistan.Recommend

@Khalid Masood:
All the above you said above are correct, all are various names of ISI, you missed few names,LeT,AQ,HUJI,Taliban. Except, all these organisations are in GHQ/Pindi operated from single table.But they are currently engaged against civilians in Pakistan. Also why do you want to blame India for our generals incopetance? If you are brave enough stop US from raping us on daily basis.Recommend

@ Khalid Masood,
Here is one more example of tpyical Pakistani/Army/ISI for not facing facts and jumps to another irrelevent matter. Wake up guys, first immediate thing is to dis-engauge from so called strategic assets and move towards civillian govt. Soverignity of Pakistan was any lost when tribal areas were given to terrorist groups.
If Cilivian govt. is strong, amry will not use their ideologigis, support terrorist, keep anti-India propaganda on top so as to keep them in power. If civilian govt is well established & have control over army, US will not dare to attack on democratic ruled country but now they have every reasons to continue with drone strike and you cannot do anything other than barking and once barking is over, licking starts..Recommend

The Osama affair has shown that Drone attacks MUST continue in Pakistan. The Pakistani military and the ISI are clearly on the side of the terrorists and the so-called “operations” by the military are just a way of milking money from the US.
The only way the US can take out the terrorists is by using drones. The reason the military is so upset is because the drone attacks are VERY effective. All the leaders are being taken out one at a time and this is upsetting the Pakistani military. They can only train foot-soldiers – not leaders. Recommend

@Kahlid Masood;
Its conspiracy theorists like you, hand in glove with the military, who are responsible for the present mess in Pakistan. You guys keep formulating Utopian paper theories to obfuscate the real issues. The list of insurgencies you have mentioned in India are either non existent or eliminated by force and matters settled through negotiations. Let me tell my Pakistan friends that if so many insurgencies were active, India would have simply imploded. India has a working democracy where insurgencies are ultimately settled by the political process. India does have maoist-naxalite problem which is being dealt with adequately. Mr.Masood, your contentions regarding India getting kicked out of Afghanistan and billions of dollars of aid going waste is yet another of your paper theories. Remember, even if India gets left out of the end game in Afghanistan, the humanitarian work which we have done will remain in the hearts of Afghan public while most Afghans except for your cronies, hold a very negative view of Pakistan. Recommend

@ Noor Nabi…..Salman Bashir cuts a sorry figure now…USA has again demonstrated how much they care about his bold press conferences. I believe Salman Bashir is going to hold another press conference now and send out a sterner message to USA and India :))..Things are getting more entertaining now !!!Recommend

@Khalid,
Keep imagining India’s problems while you lost 1/2 the country in 1971 and more than 1/2 the remaining ( Baluchistan , WAZIRISTAN ) is already out of Pak control and your economy non existent.Recommend

Strength in Pakistan comes from criminals running the place, it is run by organized crimeRecommend

@Khalid Masood:
Wait till some brave warrior from Verhansi or Mumbai bomb blast you and reminds us of 1971. Perhaps B Raman should throw some light on the list given by you. These followers
of Kali will never admit that extremism is in their culture and rites.Recommend

@Khalid Masood

India has its internal problems. However, All the fronts you have mentioned are in hibernation or dead. Naxals haven’t stuck in past year or so.

Note that Pakistan’s problems are way too serious to be dismissed by pointing to India’s admittedly long list of problems. India’s problems are internal, Pakistan faces all sorts of foreign incursions (State and Non-State) and is seriously compromised by a cancer like situation.

Wake up to see the reality my friend. It serves no purpose to blame or dismiss India.Recommend

As long as we have our heads fixed deep in the sand boxes and are hinds bared to others
to be assaulted! Why lament about the drone attacks and point finger at the government whom we have place on our shoulders. The world knows we are highly self-centered nation
that thrives on bigotry and loves to stand in ankle deep water shouting for help to stop us from drowning. If we want to stop other nations from assaulting us? We should cover our bared character with a veil of humility.Recommend

Now, that’s a clear answer from USA to Salman Bashir’s statements. Need to see, what interesting developments happen in the coming weeks and months.

@Ali Nawaz, At no time was Pakistani army considered one of the best. Only Pakistani ordinary citizens were naive to believe that. Even your army knows how weak it is.Recommend

@Khalid Masood,

You’re basically predicting the future. Pakistanis are terrible at predicting the future. Just take a moment, take a deep breath and please, for god’s sake, remember everything that happened in the last 60 years. When was you or your army correct in making a good strategy for the future and execute it. When? You’ll mostly recall that your country has time and again botched up. I think that best you can do to serve your country is not mislead your people into cuckooland, through your rantings.

Also, I fail to understand why would India’s investment of 2 billion in Afghanistan makes you sad. Don’t you want good future for Afghanis, just like what you would ask for Pakistanis?

By the way, you are openly and indirectly agreeing that Pakistan harbors terrorists in your comments.Recommend

Last heard..Shuja Pasha (most influential Pakistani) has just left for USA..Im really worried for President Obama now. Shuja Pasha , just like Salman Bashir. doesn’t tolerate much :))Recommend

@Khalid Masood: You probably missed one important issue. To gain all what you wish, you need a good and committed President….. Start a campaign “Qadri for President”… He has the same viewsRecommend

@Khalid Masood:

You have emerged as leader of Pakistani point of view sir. Keep doing bro.Recommend

@arvind:

Some of the reasons are as following :-
• India is Number 1 enemy of Pakistan since inception.
• India never accept existence of Pakistan. Indian leadership predicted fall of Pakistan within 4 months in 1947.
• India illegally occupied Kashmir, Hydrabad Daccan, Junagarh and Manawar States by launching Indian military against the understanding of the Partition in 1948.
• India dismembered half of Pakistan in 1971.
• Indians have occupied Siachin glacier and Sir creek which is Pakistani territory.
• India is supplying arms, ammunitions, money and all sort of support to handful of Baloch Separatists.
• India is stealing Pakistani Water by building Dams after Dams on Jehlum and Chenab Rivers. These rivers are in Pakisan’s Share as per Indus Water Treaty.
• India is giving billions of rupees to so called Sindhi Nationalists who rally against the construction of Kalabagh Dam on River Indus.
• Even India is trying to built a tunnel for further stealing water of Indus River by spending billions of dollars.
• Indian media is always sarcastic about Pakistan.
• At all World Forums, Indian delegate go all out to defame, disgrace and isolate Pakistan from rest of the World.Recommend

@ Arsalan,

You say you do not have suicide bomber. Is that true ?

Yes

Can you tell me how Rajiv Ghandhi was murdered ?

Do you even remember when it happened. At least, I’m living in 2011.

How Indra was killed ?

She was killed by guns. Not by suicide bombs. Nonetheless, Indira, was Rajiv’s mother and died long before Rajiv. Ahem-ahem…just clearing the throat.Recommend

@Narayana Murthy:

Just to refresh your short term memory which live only in 2011

Rajiv Gandhi’s last public meeting was on 21 May 1991, in Sriperumbudur, a town approximately 30 miles from Chennai, where he was assassinated while campaigning for the Sriperumbudur Lok Sabha Congress candidate Mrs Maragatham Chandrasekhar in Tamil Nadu. The assassination was carried out by the LTTE suicide bomber Thenmozhi Rajaratnam also known as Dhanu. Later, the real name of the suicide bomber came to be known as Gayatri.

Rajiv Gandhi had arrived at Chennai about two hours earlier and then was driven by motorcade in a white Ambassador car to Sriperumbudur, stopping along the way at a few other election campaigning venues. During the drive to Sriperumbudur, he was accompanied by a foreign journalist who interviewed him in the car. When he reached the venue at Sriperumbudur, he got out of his car and began to walk inside towards the dais where he would deliver his speech. Along the way, he was garlanded by many well wishers, Congress party workers and school children. At 10:21 p.m., the assassin Dhanu approached him and greeted the former Prime Minister. She then bent down to touch his feet and detonated an RDX explosive laden belt tucked below her dress. The former Prime Minister along with many others were killed in the explosion that followed.–

link – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Rajiv_Gandhi

Wasn’t it suicide bombing ? And you people do have this creed.Recommend

Maybe it’s time for Pakistan to clean up these area’s and get rid of these mllitants? Might improve your image in the World – help relations with Afghanistan and Iran – and improve relations with American’s and NATO. Recommend

@Arsalan:
I said that the Maoist do not have suicide bombers. Plus Rajiv Gandhi was assassinated by the LTTE . Indira gandhi was killed by her own security guards, not suicide bombers.

@Khalid Masood
India has always wanted peace with Pakistan. But your army has never given us a chance. I feel that all the major political parties want peace with India ( I might be wrong) including PPP,PML, MQM and ANP. But they seem to lack a pan Pakistan constituency. The ISI and the army have a vested interest in keeping the relations bad. Unless Pakistan has a real democracy, where the will of the people is able to subdue the narrow interest of the army, not much hope for peace is gonna emerge. Peace with India is fully in the hands of Pakistan. If you really wants peace, you will get it but for that you should jettison the ‘bleed India at any cost’ policy.Recommend

@J Oberoi: I do not think drone attacks are the solution to counter militants, they have lead to many civilian casualties which are unjustified in any case. Pakistani lives have been lost in this so called “war on terror” which means that the civilians are being sacrificed for the mistakes of the military, governments and political leaders. Bombing Pakistan or labeling it a terrorist state is not the solution at all, specially if South Asians want peace in this region.Recommend

From the West:
I wonder what the real sentiment is in Pakistan over Osama’s death? If recent polls are any indication, the majority of Pakistanis do not believe Bin Laden is dead. I wonder if they even think he was behind 9/11?

It’s always surprising to me how differently people view the world around them – how an entirely rational group of people in one part of the world can be sure that their take on reality is accurate, while another group comes to the opposite conclusion (and the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle).

I feel pretty certain bin Laden perpetrated 9/11, and I believe he was probably killed by the U.S. a few days ago (although the fact he was buried at sea and no photos are to be released leaves many questions). And I don’t want to sound naive – because I do believe the U.S. Government has misled it’s citizens on many occasions. Perhaps I have been propagandized by the Western media and culture even more than I can possibly suspect. Many would say this is the case.

Here Noam Chomsky presents an entirely different view of OBL’s presumed guilt than that put forth by the U.S. media; to start with he states that the U.S. has provided no solid proof that bin Laden even perpetrated 9/11 – he therefore should have been treated as a suspect and apprehended, rather than assassinated. Chomsky writes the following:

In societies that profess some respect for law, suspects are apprehended and brought to fair trial. I stress “suspects.”In April 2002, the head of the FBI, Robert Mueller, informed the press that after the most intensive investigation in history, the FBI could say no more than that it “believed” that the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, though implemented in the UAE and Germany. What they only believed in April 2002, they obviously didn’t know 8 months earlier, when Washington dismissed tentative offers by the Taliban (how serious, we do not know, because they were instantly dismissed) to extradite bin Laden if they were presented with evidence—which, as we soon learned, Washington didn’t have. Thus Obama was simply lying when he said, in his White House statement, that “we quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda.”


Still, it is accepted as fact amongst most Americans that bin Laden was behind 9/11. And it is also generally accepted that he was indeed killed, and killed for a good reason. Whereas many in the Greater Middle East accept it as fact that Americans are lied to by their government. They believe Americans are conditioned by their media to think that their government is fighting for freedom and democracy when in reality the government are mass murderers on a scale far greater than the perpetrators of 9/11. And to those in the Greater Middle East who state the above as fact, one can ask ‘how heavily have they been propagandized?’ Again, I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

But back to my original line of thinking:
Do Pakistanis believe bin Laden was killed as has been stated by the U.S.?
Do people in Pakistan even believe bin Laden was behind 9/11?Recommend

@Arsalan:
Indira was shot by her own guard not a suicide bomber. Rajiv Gandhi was shot by an LTTE suicide bomber from Sri Lanka not India. Pls. get your facts right.Recommend

@Adil

If you see the movie, you’ll realize that this conversation isn’t what it seems.

US/UK/Germany have been responsible for wars and massacres in many a country. But, lets not forget so have Many muslim kings – Mohammad Ghazni, Ghori, Ganghis Khan, Kublai Khan, Early Mughals were all very cruel empire builders.

It is also true that despotism runs deep in most of muslim world and more muslims are killed by other Muslims than from outside. US is just using such disunity and inability of Islamic nations to govern themselves with representative regimes. Just like the British, who used the inability of Indian populace to transition to equitable society.

But the reality remains – Terrorism is not a solution. As Gandhi said – An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.Recommend