Raymond Davis case: Men killed in Lahore were intelligence operatives, says official

Published: February 5, 2011

Pakistani police escort arrested US national Raymond Davis (C) to a court in Lahore. PHOTO: AFP/FILE

ISLAMABAD: The government’s reluctance to free Raymond Davis is attributed to the fact that the two killed in the Lahore shooting were believed to be the intelligence operatives.

“Yes, they belonged to the security establishment….they found the activities of the American official detrimental to our national security,” disclosed a security official.

He requested not to be identified since he was not authorised to speak to the media on record.

The official confirmed that the president, the prime minister and the chief of army staff (COAS) had discussed the issue in a meeting last week. The three thought it was advisable to resist the US pressure on the Raymond Davis issue and believed the detained American national should not be released at this stage, he said.

He said the government’s tough stance on the controversy was also its reaction to the attempts by certain elements in Washington to implicate the country’s top spy agency, the ISI, in the November 2008 Mumbai attacks.

“The government is very angry with the decision of an American court to summon top ISI officials in connections with  the Mumbai attacks,” the official maintained.

The military spokesman was not available for comments.

The officials in the Foreign Office also confirmed the government’s position on the Raymond Davis issue but said he would eventually be released once the firm assurance from the US that such incidents would not recur.

The government was also con­templating to ask the American government to waive off Ray­mond’s immunity and try him in the US courts, the officials added. A US Embassy official said his government had “no plans yet to agree on such a step”.

Published in The Express Tribune, February 7th, 2011.

Reader Comments (175)

  • Kamran
    Feb 7, 2011 - 7:33AM

    Truth, lying govt official, or Tribune turning into a tabloid.

    I am curious!Recommend

  • Parvez+Mahmud
    Feb 7, 2011 - 7:34AM

    Intel agents – that is what I thought.Recommend

  • Feb 7, 2011 - 7:39AM

    A new twist! Lest the Raymond Devis is freed, army would have to face the ire of awaam as well. Hence, the army’s repute is again at stake.Recommend

  • ramin
    Feb 7, 2011 - 7:41AM

    I have been saying this from DAY ONE!

    ISI has been harassing American diplomats since a long time!

    There is a remote chance that these two robbers are not related to ISI!Recommend

  • Ehsaan
    Feb 7, 2011 - 7:45AM

    Acha…Now the truth comes out! If these white people are worried about their safety and have to carry a weapon then maybe they should pack up their bags and leave PakistanRecommend

  • Wowem
    Feb 7, 2011 - 7:49AM

    This Davis chap (if that is even his real name) is just plain bad news. Every single piece of evidence in this sordid trail points to one thing: he was engaged in some sort of subversive activity and the GoP had better, for once, assert its sovereignty because despite all its incompetence, it actually appears to be on solid ground. The Americans had better understand or be made to understand no matter how brutal the truth may sound to them.Recommend

  • khan
    Feb 7, 2011 - 8:42AM

    This latest report that the two gunmen who were shot by Raymond Davis were intelligence operatives is very confusing. Earlier reports informed us that the police not only found pistols on both of them but also some mobile phones that had been stolen a little while earlier as well as a large cache of ‘probably stolen’ foreign currency.

    It will be nice to know if the police are still standing by their previous report. If so it would indicate that these intelligence operatives may have been ‘moonlighting’ by indulging in armed robberies as well. After all who is going to apprehend Deep State operatives, even if they had been caught red handed committing criminal acts? Recommend

  • Mohammad Ali Siddiqui
    Feb 7, 2011 - 8:44AM

    The government should not release American Taliban and killer of three innocent Pakistanis Raymond Davis at any cost as US Government have not released neither Aafia Siddiqui, nor any other Pakistani languishing in the US jails.

    What are the reasons that our Government is afraid of the US Government? If Pakistan government will release Raymond Davis it will have far reaching and adverse consequences, not only in Pakistan but the image of Pakistan will also fall in the eyes of other Muslims countries.

    This is time to negotiate with the US government to release Aafia Siddiqui from US jail and sent her back home in safe and sound condition in case if it has become the matter of life and death for government of Pakistan.

    As I have wrote number of time that Raymond Davis is a Special Agent of US Intelligence Agency therefore our intelligence officials were on the look out as what Raymond David was up to?

    When Government of Pakistan issue visas to Americans or any other foreigner, it is the duty of Government of Pakistan to provide security to foreigners and at the same time keep an eye on the foreigners as what are their activities in the country.

    Raymond David directly killed two people on spot and while fleeing from the scene, he killed the third Pakistan and also became the cause of indirectly killing the wife of the person who was directly shot by Raymond Davis.

    It is likely that if Raymond Davis is released, more people in the country will commit suicide and it will create total chaos. Recommend

  • Ms.khan
    Feb 7, 2011 - 8:59AM

    well this is a new twist…..the killed persons were intelligence? And one of the wife tried killing herself very well knowing that a job in the intelligence means to guarantees of life? I dont know what the hell to believe!Recommend

  • Humanity
    Feb 7, 2011 - 9:22AM

    a third rate nation of thieves, liars, and con artists ..Recommend

  • Ali Hasan
    Feb 7, 2011 - 9:30AM

    This just seems way too vague to be a material fact. More like one of the myriad of conspiracy theories we’ve got swirling around our nation’s collective head 24/7. Recommend

  • Eeman
    Feb 7, 2011 - 9:45AM

    Right. So now this is getting interesting. They were intelligence operatives who mounted themselves on a motorbike — with loaded gun(s) — tried to threaten an American, who, of course, had a loaded weapon as well. They being the part of intelligence operatives knew that an American is involved in secretive operation, but they didn’t know his potential to fight back.Recommend

  • Feb 7, 2011 - 9:58AM

    If Raymond Davis is released on the DEMAND of American Govt. then it will create a Great Problem for USA itself; as it will become A RULE that Any Employ of Any Embassy in America will have a license to kill anybody in America or any American Civilian in the World.

    It is a Test Case for America & American Judiciary too that a Street Killer, whom so many people have witnessed targeting & killing the two motor-bikers, is being asked to be released only on the basis of Diplomatic Personnel; a killer is always a killer & the Value of Human Soul is beyond price.

    The Think Tanks of the America’s National Security must probe into the Threatening Conditions of the Dictating Role of The Super Power of the World.

    The People are always RULED by winning their HEARTS through LOVE, not by controlling their BODIES through FORCE.
    Spread LOVE, not HATRED.Recommend

  • Feb 7, 2011 - 9:59AM

    The plot thickens…Recommend

  • Rashed Khan
    Feb 7, 2011 - 10:04AM

    The ‘Balls’ we are so proud of.

    or

    Hum tau sumjhay thay k Jurrat Ki Paikkar hai ISI.
    Per ye tau Shahadat k Baghair kuch na hasel kar sakay.Recommend

  • Hammad Ali
    Feb 7, 2011 - 10:21AM

    Shame on us if we release him ! We want blood for blood.Recommend

  • Kamal
    Feb 7, 2011 - 10:57AM

    Would the government still release him as they are reportedly planning ? If this turns out to be true where does it put davis’s action. Did he know it as well? Is that why he was taking photographs of the dead bodies after the shoot out?Why did he deem it more important to take the pictures instead of fleeing the scene?

    If this case is not properly investigated and facts ascertained and if davis is released due to american pressure without a fair trial, then U.S’s image would get a huge blow even in the moderate and liberal elements of our society.Recommend

  • Waqas+Afridi
    Feb 7, 2011 - 11:01AM

    This is injustice. He killed Pakistani National and this is most important to note. There is no reason to release him and why would he be tried in US courts..? No never and ever, he has to face the beat here just like Dr. Afia. We can not even imagine about Raymonds release. If it happened sometime in future than nobody ever will believe in Punjab Govt as well as Federal Govt. Army will loose their regained fame again forever too.

    Try Raymond in Pakistan without any delay. Recommend

  • Adeel Ahmed
    Feb 7, 2011 - 11:01AM

    Yes… the real truth is coming out now.

    Davis, an undercover agent, who had records of phone calls to Taliban leaders, and photos of shrines, etc… killed the two intelligence men since they had found out his true identity.

    NO diplomat! Hang him!Recommend

  • Javed Afridi
    Feb 7, 2011 - 11:03AM

    Following is an extract from a news item published in Express Tribune a day or two after the incident. If today’s report is true, how would these people (Dr Farzand, Sheharyar Malik and the police) justify their testimony against the two deceased.

    “The complainants, Doctor Farzand and Sheharyar Malik, in a written application, state that the two had robbed them of their mobiles and cash just before the incident and were fleeing.
    As evidence, the two have referred to phone logs of calls made to Rescue (Rescue reviews) 1-5 about the incident right after it happened. The police say that two mobile phones were recovered from the deceased which matched the description of those the applicants had complained to 1-5 had been stolen.
    However, the police had also shown the recovery of foreign currency from the deceased, which they say had also been looted. On the other hand, there is yet to be a complaint regarding the theft of foreign currency on the day of the incident.”

    Don’t you think they deserve something like…. I don’t know what…Recommend

  • sara
    Feb 7, 2011 - 11:10AM

    They sacrificed their lives for Pakistan and so called intellectuals did not wait a second to declare them rebbers.

    Goverment should take stingent action against all involved in this incident.Recommend

  • IZ
    Feb 7, 2011 - 11:21AM

    The whole case gets fishier and fishier….Recommend

  • IZ
    Feb 7, 2011 - 11:22AM

    The whole case gets fishier and fishier…Recommend

  • Shakir Lakhani
    Feb 7, 2011 - 11:23AM

    This is very strange. What about the two persons who claimed that the deceased men had robbed them earlier? Do the country’s intelligence personnel indulge in robbery as well?Recommend

  • Mir
    Feb 7, 2011 - 11:25AM

    The tribune has started to surprise me more and more everyday. The acts of the deceased wife point to that the two dead were no way close to being from the intelligence agency. Recommend

  • Javed Afridi
    Feb 7, 2011 - 11:28AM

    “The complainants, Doctor Farzand and Sheharyar Malik, in a written application, state that the two had robbed them of their mobiles and cash just before the incident and were fleeing.
    As evidence, the two have referred to phone logs of calls made to Rescue (Rescue reviews) 1-5 about the incident right after it happened. The police say that two mobile phones were recovered from the deceased which matched the description of those the applicants had complained to 1-5 had been stolen.
    However, the police had also shown the recovery of foreign currency from the deceased, which they say had also been looted. On the other hand, there is yet to be a complaint regarding the theft of foreign currency on the day of the incident.”

    Provided, today’s report is based on truth, what punishment do you suggest for these people?Recommend

  • ali
    Feb 7, 2011 - 11:46AM

    my first guess might have some truth to it. i said these might be intelligence guys. anyways human loss is still to be mourned and not celebrated. Recommend

  • khan
    Feb 7, 2011 - 11:49AM

    Earlier the police had disclosed that the two dead were armed with pistols (one with a bullet filled bandoleer around his waist), carried recently stole mobile phones and also a large amount of foreign currency (which was presumed to have been recently stolen).

    Wow…is that what some of our intelligence operatives get up to?Recommend

  • khan
    Feb 7, 2011 - 11:55AM

    The Express Tribune of 29th January 2011 had this to say about about the two dead man now being identified as ‘intelligence operatives” :

    “the police registered FIRs against them posthumously on Friday, police sources told The Express Tribune.

    The complainants, Doctor Farzand and Sheharyar Malik, in a written application, state that the two had robbed them of their mobiles and cash just before the incident and were fleeing.

    As evidence, the two have referred to phone logs of calls made to Rescue 1-5 about the incident right after it happened. The police say that two mobile phones were recovered from the deceased which matched the description of those the applicants had complained to 1-5 had been stolen.

    However, the police had also shown the recovery of foreign currency from the deceased, which they say had also been looted. On the other hand, there is yet to be a complaint regarding the theft of foreign currency on the day of the incident.”

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/110900/lahore-shootings-as-the-case-unfolds-the-mystery-deepens/Recommend

  • vijay
    Feb 7, 2011 - 12:04PM

    he shouldn’t be released…if they are killed just b/c they were spying on him, this is no justification.ok…express tribune open ur eyesRecommend

  • Amjid
    Feb 7, 2011 - 12:12PM

    Salam, few days ago one of prominent Pakistani analyst Sheri Mazari said same thing which Express Tribune is making headline. I think all dots are now connecting to each other. Those two guys were ISI operative and were undercover and monitoring the activities of that bloody Chap. he got suspicious and killed them.. Police did not know about actual identity of those pakistanis that is why they tried to declare them robbers Recommend

  • Amer
    Feb 7, 2011 - 12:14PM

    At this point, I couldn’t care less about this case. The govt is on the right path on this one…. Whatever! Recommend

  • Amanat Ali
    Feb 7, 2011 - 12:25PM

    so what if they are agencies men but over all they were Pakistanis and were shot dead by a invader and even on the home land, this is terrible. Govt stand both the federal and provincial is very very poor like a slave. In my opinion the killer should not be released at any cost and be punished. Recommend

  • vasan
    Feb 7, 2011 - 12:33PM

    “The complainants, Doctor Farzand and Sheharyar Malik, in a written application, state that the two had robbed them of their mobiles and cash just before the incident and were fleeing.
    As evidence, the two have referred to phone logs of calls made to Rescue (Rescue reviews) 1-5 about the incident right after it happened. The police say that two mobile phones were recovered from the deceased which matched the description of those the applicants had complained to 1-5 had been stolen.
    However, the police had also shown the recovery of foreign currency from the deceased, which they say had also been looted. On the other hand, there is yet to be a complaint regarding the theft of foreign currency on the day of the incident.”

    Now this is like bollywood movie. Dr Farzand and Sheharyar Malik must also be CIA stooges/RAW operatives or MOSSAD sleuths. Couldnt wait to read the next episode of this “Davis VS Pakistan” serial. Is this a mega serial or a mini.Recommend

  • Mahmood Hussain
    Feb 7, 2011 - 12:39PM

    Spy spying the Spy! than no wonder what had happenedRecommend

  • N
    Feb 7, 2011 - 12:52PM

    @mohammed ali siddiqui………i do not agree with u……why the trade between aafia and davis………why should davis go unpunished…….he has done wrong…..he should be incarceratedRecommend

  • GH
    Feb 7, 2011 - 1:12PM

    It’s a fight between two Spy Agencies which has Drag to the Roads and now it’ll be solve in Close Door Room! Recommend

  • IamConcerned
    Feb 7, 2011 - 1:13PM

    “if you can’t convince them, Confuse them!” thats exactly what US is trying to do; Dont understand why our media is falling for it!? Its a plain murder case and justice should prevail.Period.Recommend

  • alian
    Feb 7, 2011 - 1:26PM

    If this guy walks out freely from Pakistan through a back door , then I would think Taliban are doing the right think from the beginning and establishment and Govt. to whom we pay taxes are puppets of America .

    I am seeing a revolution as both US and PK stupid Govt. will try to save their asses .

    We will not be free until we get ride of these puppets first. Recommend

  • Omar Khayyam
    Feb 7, 2011 - 1:28PM

    @Humanity:

    Of course – everyone included!Recommend

  • SUB
    Feb 7, 2011 - 1:35PM

    Where is Fasi Zaka, the Standup comedian, Sherry Rehman etc? Why dont they have any thing to say on the subjectRecommend

  • SUB
    Feb 7, 2011 - 1:36PM

    Contd … And that Samery lady who was too embaressed on a london bus and wrote a blog about it. Sorry i forgot to mention you earlierRecommend

  • Muhammad Junaid Dar
    Feb 7, 2011 - 2:00PM

    FROM ABOVE

    “The official confirmed that the president, the prime minister and the chief of army staff (COAS) had discussed the issue in a meeting last week. The three thought it was advisable to resist the US pressure on the Raymond Davis issue and believed the detained American national should not be released at this stage, he said.”

    “The officials in the Foreign Office also confirmed the government’s position on the Raymond Davis issue but said he would eventually be released once the firm assurance from the US that such incidents would not recur.”

    SO, THEY HAVE ALREADY PLANNED TO RELEASE HIM. RIGHT???Recommend

  • Ashraf R
    Feb 7, 2011 - 2:31PM

    With a new report coming out each day, you no longer know what is the truth and what isn’t. All we have been hearing is one lie after another. The only thing we know for sure is that Raymond Davis is a man and not a woman.Recommend

  • Nasir Taimoori
    Feb 7, 2011 - 2:32PM

    Both of the families are being forced to get the compensation money. yp, we have a sold army and its nation.
    We should not worry because our God, America, would give compensation to our army. We should be calmed (& Shaant).
    Recommend

  • Jflossy
    Feb 7, 2011 - 2:37PM

    You have to remember that Express Trubune is part of the USA footprint in Pakistan. Part of the International Herald Tribune group, this story is obviously a fake. No names of officials and from what we already know of the incident, these two guys that got shot were not Isi agents, bur most probably thieves. Planted story.Recommend

  • Awais
    Feb 7, 2011 - 2:40PM

    Nobody knows what to believe anymore.. this is a total mess :@Recommend

  • Abdulla
    Feb 7, 2011 - 2:54PM

    No bady raised the concept of conspiracy of India & Israil thanks god pakis are matuared from this age old thesisRecommend

  • taz
    Feb 7, 2011 - 3:13PM

    @Humanity:
    great definition for the US!Recommend

  • Qadar Jan
    Feb 7, 2011 - 3:32PM

    Assalam-O-Aliekum
    Pakistan Gov.t. Must do with Justice.
    Its enough
    ByeRecommend

  • Umayr Masud
    Feb 7, 2011 - 3:52PM

    My problem with this issue is rather simple

    Our intelligence had failed to have let this person in our country at the first place. He has supposedly worked in peshawar as well, why wasnt he thrown out beforehand.
    Why was the situation escalated to a point where armed gunmen had to be sent to confront him (if indeed they were intelligence officers), and why did we have to use such a tactic, this again is another failure.
    If things did get ugly where was the backup for our intelligence guys why didnt they take him down.
    If this was in anyway planned to be a setup as unfortunate as it may seem too many lives have been lost in the process.
    Recommend

  • sara
    Feb 7, 2011 - 4:03PM

    @Abdulla:
    Are you sure that this is what you want to write? If yes, then go to a primary school again, before commenting on maturity level of Pakistani people. Recommend

  • MK
    Feb 7, 2011 - 4:07PM

    1) The simplest truth is the guys were robbers
    2) But again What was Raymond doing in that area … though he should be released from charge of murder on the grounds that it was self defence
    3) He should be instead tried for carrying gun without license if it was the same should be done to any other person whether local or not

    4) And all these Idiotic America bashers … I can just pray that Allah gives you enough brain from now on that you can use to think instead of believing any thing the stupid JUI and Qazi Hussein tells you … When you have floods & earth quacks thousands are saved with American help … Our country runs due to their help and then you say why don’t we stand up to them ???

    Go read history and learn some thing from Japan … instead of caring for humanity you guys just think divine powers will help you in every thing though you are hit every now and then by a natural disaster because of your behavior and yet again only these countries come for your rescue … The same Dokandaar class people again go on roads to listen to Qazi hussain’s American bashing … Recommend

  • MK
    Feb 7, 2011 - 4:16PM

    @Wowem:
    Dude sovereignty ??? and then if there is another natural disaster are you going to ask for help or you gonna act sovereign ? ohh wait a minute … I guess Palestine is gonna come and rescue us right ?

    For a country to be a sovereign state its people should not be Parrots … the way we teach our children in schools and madrasas where they dont have to think but do ‘rattaa’ you can expect to have good businessmen .. scientist or people who can work abroad in other govts and organizations to work for Pakistan at the back the way our neighbors Indians are doing…

    Unfortunately I don’t see a good future unless we change our education system and get rid of people who carry heaven and hell in their pockets on the name of religion, instead of leaving religion (and its sins & rewards) to Allah… Our country has become land of fanatics where any one can kill some one and other people would cheerfully praise it and throw rose petals sighsRecommend

  • human
    Feb 7, 2011 - 4:24PM

    It is pointless discussing this issue…. learn to live like a poor third world country….
    zulm sahte raho aur uf bhi mat karo… do char pakistaanio ki zindagi ki koi keemat nahi… Recommend

  • Feb 7, 2011 - 4:56PM

    Think about it,
    this guy comes to country in the time of floods when the floods turned everything upside down and this guy was found connected to people in the area’s where Pakistan is facing “terrorist” activities there are also news about other US agents which are deployed in the remote areas so that they can sabotage the process of Pakistan Government and they are the biggest supporters of the terrorism because they have to turn things there way they have their own interests they are trying to protect and the important thing is the Pakistan who got killed on the busiest road in Lahore are maybe aware of his activities, the only thing is out Government should not free this person and top security force should investigate closely and about the other guy also and the vehicle which is there in the embassy they should at first retrieve all these things related to this case then investigate and I believe if this thing will go to court it serve justice otherwise Allah will do the justice, our Government have a chance to show the world that they can do the fair trial on the other hand the wife of the late person commit a suicide because she knew that he’ll get free and no one will take action against him .. this our Government have to prove!! Recommend

  • Michelle Barak
    Feb 7, 2011 - 5:16PM

    @Humanity: Plz we Americans are not that bad as u have perceived Recommend

  • Wow
    Feb 7, 2011 - 5:23PM

    It seems like cheap hindi film story
    Bottom line is Pak Gov. will release him after some but and not
    Recommend

  • Tahir
    Feb 7, 2011 - 5:58PM

    Who’s to say this wasn’t just the tip of the ice burg. Who’s to say how many American, British, and Israeli intelligence operatives aren’t silently digging some deep hole for Pakistan. It was just a freak chance that this operative was caught slugging locals. God knows how many like him get away with God knows what not.Next time you cross path of a Caucasian you know exactly what to do if you want to live to tell the tale. Recommend

  • Omar
    Feb 7, 2011 - 6:13PM

    The Govt’s silence creating confusion to nation. Govt meetings with US officials cause the suicide attempt of Fahim’s wife.
    If they were Int Operative why Govt was silent. They all selling nation’s blood in lieu of Dollars. See the president’s comments ” We don’t want to make Pakistan like Iraq”.
    So Sad…Recommend

  • Nadeem Ahmed
    Feb 7, 2011 - 6:45PM

    One thing which I have never understood. When Pakistan and USA are on the same boat to fight terrorism, then what subversive activities Davis was involved in, which our intellegence people didn’t like. Was he aiding terrorists or giving them future plans of action. If that was the case, then government of Pakistan should treat him like a traitor. If he was fighting terrorists, and his so called subversive activities was to find and kill terrorists, then why our government, people and intellegence agencies are not on his side? The attitude of intellegence agencies and people of Pakistan clearly indicates that they are playing double game. Recommend

  • vivek ramana
    Feb 7, 2011 - 6:46PM

    someone here said blood for blood.. but it’s not ur govt policy.. u know wat their policy is it’s money for blood.. pak leaders are begging from usa and they need to act as wat usa say, as well as act to pakis like leaders.. they must come and act in bollywood here..Recommend

  • chitposh
    Feb 7, 2011 - 7:23PM

    Killing is a henious crime but from a foreigner’s perspective kidnapping in this country is not very difficult and kidnapping can result in daniel pearl’s fate. Raymond Davis may be anything but he was not on trip to pakistan in his personal capacity and if he was here in connection with service of his state he should be dealt with that way.Recommend

  • Shaheed4MillatePakistan
    Feb 7, 2011 - 7:57PM

    If this guy is released under pressure of aid cutoff or any other reason that disgraces and downgrades our Nation, let the revolution begin like Egypt and Tunisia…Enough is Enough!!!Recommend

  • Riaz
    Feb 7, 2011 - 8:01PM

    Let me clear all friends that this is the confirmed news that both or one of them was working for spy agency of Pakistan and they were following him to know his activities and whereabouts a part of US consulate. Few months back one of the Land cruiser was stopped in Lahore cantt by officials at three check posts but they didn’t so at the third they burst the tires of the vehicle and searched out the vehicle and told them no one is above the law. But our government should constitute a policy to knit down such hidden and ‘professional’ offenders. Recommend

  • karachiite
    Feb 7, 2011 - 8:27PM

    knew it Recommend

  • Kulsoom
    Feb 7, 2011 - 8:35PM

    Americans, right?? @Humanity: Recommend

  • Srinath
    Feb 7, 2011 - 9:21PM

    Musharraff was right. Pakistan is a happening place. You can expect Rehman (The Man Who Always Knows Toooo Much) to provide the next twist to the already knotty tale. And Yankees will need their best software expert to decipher this cloak and dagger duel.Recommend

  • sohaib
    Feb 7, 2011 - 9:35PM

    There should be blood for blood. No compromises. Army and the corrupt government might want to compromise to keep the dollars flowing. but not the nation. Releasing him will be a national humiliation. It would mean that Americans can kill innocent Pakistani by drones, by ‘diplomatic’ spies and could whisk away our nationals at will and persecute them and put them under fake trials. How low can we go before we realize that we are a nation and not a mob. Recommend

  • Raj
    Feb 7, 2011 - 9:45PM

    If Pakistan wins the world cup, every Pakistani will forget about this incidence and the focus will be cricket only.Recommend

  • amer nadeem
    Feb 7, 2011 - 9:58PM

    WHY…?????? NGOs, Human rights activities, liberals of Pakistan are mum on brutal murder of three Pakistanis in Lahore, two by Raymond Davis’s firing & one by USA official vehicle….It is really surprising for one that these chaps are ultra vocal even on animal rights. why they are silence on these butchering ..?? May be Aid syndrome……???Recommend

  • Aftab Kenneth Wilson
    Feb 7, 2011 - 10:06PM

    This is the reason that Lt. Gen (retd) Hamid Gul recently said that if Raymond is released then he along with other retired personnel will come out and protest (God knows in which way). If true that these two killed were operatives of our premier agency then Hamid Gul’s reaction on one TV talk show does have some meaning. Sincerely, I don’t believe that those killed were from our agency because as reported earlier they were carrying guns made in “Dara in KP). Well lot of twist is still awaited. Why the wife of one committed suicide is also questionable and must be thoroughly investigated if she did it willingly or someone seduced her to do so. Days ahead will reveal lot.Recommend

  • Feb 7, 2011 - 10:25PM

    Raymond Davis has killed 3 innocent Pakistani Citizens. Thus, now he been charged with murder under section 302 of Pakistan’s law. This means that if the charges against him are proved, he faces life imprisonment and a possible death sentence.

    But, if in case the Government of Pakistan helps him to escape. Then it would be a shame for all of us. We want justice.. and we will make sure that we get it this time. Inshallah.Recommend

  • Harry Bowman
    Feb 7, 2011 - 11:38PM

    The Denver Post screwed up and gave supposed past residences for “Raymond Davis”, which allows us to check to see if he is in intelius.com, which contains records for most Americans. You can find Dick Cheney in their database, but NO Raymond Davis matching the Denver Post info. He’s not using his real name, so he’s an illegal visitor, NOT an accredited diplomat. FAIL.

    http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_17276811?source=rssRecommend

  • Hamza
    Feb 7, 2011 - 11:42PM

    Eye for an Eye……Recommend

  • kumar
    Feb 7, 2011 - 11:49PM

    @Shakir Lakhani:
    probably their salary not enough. So naturally they use their training as ISI agents to supplement their money on the side wherever possible.Recommend

  • Asad
    Feb 7, 2011 - 11:52PM

    Govt. Trying to control the situation by saying two boys “intelligence operatives”? Recommend

  • Baloch Woman
    Feb 8, 2011 - 12:42AM

    @ramin:
    Raymond Davis is not a diplomat. he is an American C.I.A agent or an American Official Terrorist. A diplomat does not carry a bag full of money and and a heavy weapon. he is a sharp shooter killer. There are so many evidence against him but there is no justice in Pakistan. he must be hang million times. Recommend

  • Sajid
    Feb 8, 2011 - 2:40AM

    so ISI reputation is at stake..!
    how would it sound…
    A Pakistani shot dead two CIA agents in USA….Recommend

  • kk
    Feb 8, 2011 - 2:50AM

    According to sources, the team had recovered a pistol, facial make-up, ATM cards of five different banks, wireless set and pictures of different areas of Multan, Sargodha and Lahore.

    The team also found a GPS tracker, telescope, passport, two mobile phones, valet and a dairy.

    This is serious.. all these 3 cities have sensitive installations around them.. if this guy is released Pakistan has officially sold its soul.. army, government and even us.Recommend

  • Vasi
    Feb 8, 2011 - 3:12AM

    Wow! Somebody said it right! This is tabloid stuff! Who is this article trying to fool, perhaps the newspaper itself!Recommend

  • Omar Khayyam
    Feb 8, 2011 - 4:15AM

    If they were agents, and its a big IF, then they appeared to be fresh out of school!Recommend

  • Blithe
    Feb 8, 2011 - 5:50AM

    Why is this FO chap saying that he will be eventually released!

    This is the problem with ‘some’ officers of our foreign offfice!
    Most are good but some just lose track of which country they represent (example, Hussain Haqqani sending frantic cables from Washington in trying to influence this case in favour of the US).

    A lady has just committed suicide over all this!Recommend

  • Blithe
    Feb 8, 2011 - 5:54AM

    @Michelle Barak:

    I don’t think that is how she spells her name.
    But I like the satire in all this! Recommend

  • J Oberoi
    Feb 8, 2011 - 6:59AM

    If this whole affair wasn’t so tragic, it would make a plot for a soap opera that would leave Star-Plus in the dust. No testimony should be recorded without a lie-detector test conducted first. The Americans should take the test first.
    Vienna convention or not, I cannot imagine an incident like this happening in the US. They would string the guilty party up even if he was an ambassador. Recommend

  • F Robinson
    Feb 8, 2011 - 7:26AM

    Raymond Davis who is being “unlawfully detained” should be set free. Raymond Davis has full Diplomatic Immunity under the Vienna Convention of Diplomatic Relations. Under the Vienna Convention and Pakistani domestic law, he is entitled to full criminal immunity and cannot be lawfully arrested or detained. Unfortunately Pakistan is holding a US diplomat who killed in self defense. He should be immediately released. Recommend

  • Feb 8, 2011 - 9:25AM

    @Ehsaan:
    Yeah….they should pack up….but keep their money flowing into Pakistan, huh?Recommend

  • Goraya
    Feb 8, 2011 - 9:26AM

    where are so call human rights NGO Recommend

  • romm
    Feb 8, 2011 - 9:58AM

    @Sub
    Why contractars of Islam are not joing the move? Why are they not coming on roads, the way, they came against Blasphemy laws. No cergyman likes to be in the bad books of Americans.Recommend

  • IamConcerned
    Feb 8, 2011 - 11:24AM

    Victims’ identity: Intelligence officials refute claim

    The intelligence agency reserves the right to initiate legal action against The Express Tribune, said the official.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/115732/victims-identity-intelligence-officials-refute-claim/

    So much for Express tribune’s claim!:PRecommend

  • aiyaz buukhari
    Feb 8, 2011 - 11:41AM

    All of this Pakistani NATAK will go on for a few days. Till “paise” run dry. After that it will be time to hit the BEGGING BOWL and go down on ones knees and start BEGGING the AMERICANS once again.Recommend

  • Radial
    Feb 9, 2011 - 3:50PM

    Pakistan’s ISI can’t afford to give its secret agents a car? They have to go around on a bike? What a joke.Recommend

  • nothing
    Feb 9, 2011 - 4:01PM

    nothing important justice must be prevailed if he killed them he should be hanged by court if court find it suitable for justiceRecommend

  • hashmi
    Feb 9, 2011 - 7:36PM

    This spy is going home and pak isi will send him home….. We paki can sell anything for money.Recommend

  • Sabit
    Feb 9, 2011 - 11:30PM

    @Humanity:
    Talking about Americans? I agree. they are really third rate, liars, con artists etcRecommend

  • Feb 10, 2011 - 2:55AM

    @Ehsaan:
    dear ehsaan,

    what normal human being would not be worried about their safety. pakistan is a mess. every week we hear of bombins in public places and even in masjids Astaghfirullah. u should be worried urself. i never understand pakistan. Recommend

  • Feb 10, 2011 - 2:56AM

    @Sabit:
    dear brother ,
    if we are liars and cons and so on what is the isi? the pakistan government? c mon get real.Recommend

  • Feb 10, 2011 - 2:59AM

    @J Oberoi:
    j oberoi what u say is complete nonsense. us government goes by the rules. at least till caught. even my imam in america, who is from egypt, say what he like about usa is law is there for all.Recommend

  • Feb 10, 2011 - 3:09AM

    @Ahmed Abubakr:
    asalam alaikum ahmed,

    america is not ur enemy. not the enemy of Islam. corruption and muslims who kill muslims that is the enemy of the ummah. Recommend

  • Feb 10, 2011 - 9:10AM

    Hay Guys this game is amazing for me really amazing ! How should a foreigner carry out a weapon with him in other country. I want to ask from US officials that a Pakistani or any other foreigner is not allowed to carrying a weapon for self defense even a little knife in his pocket in your country. So how can you justified this incident men howwww!! Recommend

  • Feb 10, 2011 - 2:30PM

    @Abdulla:
    I thing Sara is right you have to go for Primary education again. If its not possible then learn English from your Papa OR Mama. Recommend

  • Mr. B. Wype
    Feb 10, 2011 - 5:51PM

    Apparently, off the record, four Pakistani officials have told ABC reporters that the two men whom Davis killed were ISI agents assigned to tail Davis because he was “a spy” who had “crossed a red line.”

    It has been speculated that the “red line” may have been Davis’ involvement in some kind of covert US program to actually finance or orchestrate some of the bombings that have been rocking, and destabilizing Pakistan.

    Also the US government’s insistence that Davis is “protected by diplomatic immunity under the Vienna Conventions and that he must be released from custody” is also very revealing.
    Because in reality the Vienna Convention which the US government is relying on to demand his release states very clearly that any immunity for diplomats or consular staff does not apply to “serious crimes.”
    It would be hard to imagine a more serious crime than a double murder, which is what Davis is currently being charged with.
    Why would they want so badly to get the release of an agent for a double murder, even to the extent of breaking off diplomatic ties, if there was not something very embarssing AND damaging at stake?

    It reminds me of the case of undercover British SAS operatives in Basra, Iraq that was never satisfactorily explained.
    http://12-7-9-11.blogspot.com/2009/06/919-first-half-arrest.htmlRecommend

  • Ramesh Manghirmalani, California
    Feb 11, 2011 - 6:18AM

    Assalam-O-Aliekum

    I also wonder how President Obama would react in this situation. Would he be as statesmanlike as the former Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze and instruct Mr. Raymond Davis to stay in Pakistan and plead his case in a court of law. Or would Mr. Obama choose to be more like the Russian Prime Minister, Vladimir Putin, who refused to waive diplomatic immunity for a Russian diplomat stationed in Canada who in 2001 killed one woman and injured another while driving a car while being intoxicated?Given Mr. Obama’s recent foreign policy choices, I see more of Putin in him than a statesman.This is unfair, I strongly feel Davis should be sent to Jail for 10-15 years and then let Asif Zardari exchange him Dr. Siddiqui.

    What I do not understand is how can one justify waiving diplomatic immunity for a misdemeanor, i.e., a parking violation, and insist on invoking it for violating the sixth commandment, thou shalt not kill, for a person whose diplomatic credentials are dubious at best, and whose culpability is beyond doubt.Recommend

  • tariq pervez
    Feb 11, 2011 - 10:25PM

    the american should not be released.as we have accepted the punishment of innocent afia siddiqi showing respect to american courts,americans should also show respect to our courts.if the culprit american is released,it will great shame for all pakistanis .Recommend

  • Adnan
    Feb 12, 2011 - 1:16AM

    @Awais:

    That’s call media my friend. To spread confusion.Recommend

  • Samiullah Afridi
    Feb 12, 2011 - 12:41PM

    hey .. pakistan government shuld tell US tht they shuld give Dr.Aafia siddiqui back and they wil give Raymond Davis back …Recommend

  • Samiullah Afridi
    Feb 12, 2011 - 12:45PM

    if pakistan give raymond davis back to US we will do same thing as Egypt .. and take the thrown from Zardari …Recommend

  • Ramesh Manghirmalani,
    Feb 12, 2011 - 12:52PM

    Most of you fail to understand Pakistani is extended state of America, since Ayub Khan every General of Army, ISI and president has been paid Bakshisi ( Tip). Pakis get donation of 7,9 Billion a year to make Bombs, Bribes, and became a nuisance nation. Why should Pakistan not let Davis go? Do you want extra money ???Recommend

  • Dilawar
    Feb 12, 2011 - 1:06PM

    I would like to point out an important point here ;

    “If Davis was a spy then what our Intelligence Agencies specially ISI was doing ?
    How he was rescued by his fellows. Why his conversation with his other members was not traced out as this is very simple now a days. Actually RAMOND DAVIS is an American who is working for INDIA (RAW). Indian intelligence has hired him for monitering some of the intelligence activities in Pakistan. Now a days it is becoming very common thing and i believe ISI must be aware of it. DAVIS was having a pistol in which hollow bullets were used which abruptly burst out when they enter the body. This hollow bullet is banned in whole world.
    He was having an advanced wireless set along with the satelite tracking device. a night vission google and a camera with a lot of Photoes of few of the important places of Pakistan. Not only of Lahore but also of other places of Pakistan.Recommend

  • J.Oberoi
    Feb 12, 2011 - 8:22PM

    @Dilawar:
    Does the word ‘truth’ ring a bell? Come on man, there surely must be a limit on how many lies can be spun! ‘Hollow point’ bullet? Why did he need to fire 5 bullets then? My goodness, the amount of lies being peddled around is mind-numbing. Also the claim that all the bullets were fired at the back of the victims. The victims had drawn guns in their hands. There is even a photo of it that came out in the news channels. Recommend

  • arham
    Feb 13, 2011 - 6:39AM

    well said.@Ehsaan: Recommend

  • saeed
    Feb 13, 2011 - 6:43AM

    @Mohammad Ali Siddiqui: absolutly agree wid u Recommend

  • Anoop
    Feb 14, 2011 - 12:05AM

    David seem to be real handy with guns – hitting right on two moving targets from behind the windshield and while driving is no easy thing to do. Lesson leaned: don’t mess with americans.Recommend

  • Arshad Kazmi
    Feb 14, 2011 - 12:55PM

    Hukumat e Pakistan must do sunnet test to verify the true identity of Rehman Dawood aka Raymond Davis. Recommend

  • Feb 14, 2011 - 10:06PM

    yup ! if this guy get released from pakistan, from front or even from back door then
    tell me what does it means?
    it means taliban are doing the right job baby,
    piece and prosperity is the first choice for us but not the slaveness,
    so he should be exchanged with afia if He can’t be hung,,,,,,
    byeRecommend

  • aleena
    Feb 15, 2011 - 1:52AM

    @ramin: I am shocked at the verdict u have passed but I am sure of one thing. U can’t be a Pakistani I suspect its raam not ramin
    ;-)Recommend

  • Anwar
    Feb 15, 2011 - 10:58PM

    All bull . He is Blackwater agent . Which is involved in plotting bomb blasts and target killings by them or by their hired people. Bad luck for him or good luck for Pakistan that he is caught red handed. a thorough investigation should be done so that we can understand who they execute their sabotaging missions. It is also a chance keep a distance from this tyrant country . releasing him mean you should be ready for more innocent killings from their hands . Many a time their people have refused to be searched , why? because they carry illegal ammunition, maps , photographs of sensitive places . How target killer escape ,it is because they are provided setalite guidance through mobile phones when and how to approach target.USA have brought a huge number of Blackwater agents in the name of security persons . Their all record should be kept . and they should be restricted to Islamabad or their area of movement and they should be asked to keep informed to the local authorities . People of Pakistan should not sell them self in the name of USA aid . which have become actually as AID decease. Recommend

  • Anwar Aziz
    Feb 15, 2011 - 11:04PM

    All bul . He is Blackwater agent . Which is involved in plotting bomb blasts and target killings by them or by their hired people. Bad luck for him or good luck for Pakistan that he is caught red handed. a thorough investigation should be done so that we can understand who they execute their sabotaging missions. It is also a chance keep a distance from this tyrant country . releasing him mean you should be ready for more innocent killings from their hands . Many a time their people have refused to be searched , why? because they carry illegal ammunition, maps , photographs of sensitive places . How target killer escape ,it is because they are provided setalite guidance through mobile phones when and how to approach target.USA have brought a huge number of Blackwater agents in the name of security persons . Their all record should be kept . and they should be restricted to Islamabad or their area of movement and they should be asked to keep informed to the local authorities . People of Pakistan should not sell them self in the name of USA aid . which have become actually as AID decease. Pity for those policemen and politicians who are already giving turns to prove his innocence. like robbery , being ISI agents and so on .How Much they are paid .Recommend

  • Faisal
    Feb 16, 2011 - 12:17PM

    Hang him with law rope.Recommend

  • Feb 16, 2011 - 11:43PM

    One can kill in self defense but has to have a licensed weapon to do so. Diplomats keep local security and no self weapons.

    What was this so-called diplomat doing in bazaars of Lahore?

    Are we insects who can be killed on need basis like the vehicle from the American embassy did?

    The courts of Pakistan give open chance to defend then why America does not defend their beloved Raymond.

    The court of Pakistan should conduct Justice. And the punishment for cold blooded murder in Pakistan is being hung by neck till death. Moreover this law is a left behind of English government so why complaint?

    Pakistan should stand against all pressure be it no-aid or be it war on us by America.

    We are not slaves of America so let us conduct justice.

    By the way America can’t stop Aid because it is consumed in their own interest (war on terror) and not a single Pakistani gets a single penny.

    The drone attacks prove that not a single American is sorry on the loss of life.

    My dear Pakistan, please conduct justice and also demand the killer vehicles driver to be prosecuted in Pakistan.

    Do not be afraid of America because Allah is the supreme power and America is not even a super one.

    May be he was robbed but he shot when they were fleeing away.:-(

    and last but not the least the killed were Pakistani citizens and we must care for them just like America is trying to do for Raymond despite the fact that he is a killer.Recommend

  • FAHAD
    Feb 17, 2011 - 2:52AM

    US Has double standards. They should stop telling us that they will stop aid etc etc. They are doing it for their own security their senators scream around tellling their parliaments that the only way to stop Al-qaida is to give Pakistan military support. And most of all – WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT RAYMOND WAS ACTUALLY DOING IN PAKISTAN??? HIS MOTIVES!! A FULL INVESTIGATION SHOULD BE CARRIED OUT. Please everyone don’t relate Afia’s case with this case. He is not a clearly not a diplomat – why was he carrying sophisticated spy instruments. WE NEED THE ANSWERS!!!!!!!Recommend

  • LoveRM
    Feb 17, 2011 - 4:00AM

    Raymond Davis is a US spy, spying on Pakistan’s Babur Missile. Check this:

    http://my.firedoglake.com/jimwhite/2011/02/10/was-raymond-davis-spying-on-pakistans-babur-missile/

    He shot 2 Pakistanis (possibly their Spies) in the back and while a van with fake plates was rushing to get him, they killed another bicycle rider and ran away!!!! Unbelievable!

    Look at the arsenal of weapons he had:

    http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/92367-equipment-recovered-raymond-davis-diplomatic-immunity-license-kill.html

    Plus he had a digital camera with all the sensitive pictures.

    Do you believe Hillary and our government saying he works for the embassy? :) :) :)

    I like democrats over republicans but this is way too humiliating. It’s humiliating how both of the parties handle foreign policy.Recommend

  • Abu Kamil al Rashid
    Feb 17, 2011 - 7:04AM

    The end of this story will be an exchange of the killer Raymond Davis or whatever his real name will be, against martyr Aafia Siddiqui after a process.Recommend

  • Mehdi
    Feb 17, 2011 - 10:38AM

    Intelligence,Same thought I have. I Think It is a fight of two Agencies. Recommend

  • Abu Kamil al Rashid
    Feb 17, 2011 - 1:50PM

    Are we insects who can be killed on need basis like the vehicle from the American embassy did?
    That is what US call collateral damage.
    Note that US have never been your friends, are not your friends and will never be your friends.
    US have always had double standards.
    Their so-called aid is only given to make Pakistan Government the accomplices of US and accept terrorist acts of US like drone attacks in Pakistan without protest.
    Shame on politicians who sell themselves and their people in this manner.

    Recommend

  • Mansoor Ahmad
    Feb 17, 2011 - 6:24PM

    @Humanity:
    An inhuman comment. @Humanity should not be used by a callous person. After all three human beings were killed in cold blood. The US Emassy on record has issued contradicting statements about Raymond Davis so the Americans must be the termed as lair nation.Recommend

  • Mansoor Ahmad
    Feb 17, 2011 - 6:25PM

    To call a nation a liar needed much more moderationRecommend

  • Feb 17, 2011 - 7:01PM

    It would be wise to take RAYMOND DAVIS case to the INTERNATIONAL COURT of JUSTICE and as his brutal killings was an act of cold blooded murder and was performed with MILITARY precision it is hard to believe that this was in any way an act of a DIPLOMAT. AMERICA has continued its WAR CRIMES & GENOCIDE since 9/11 and the period and causalities is far more longer and greater than the period and causalities of WORLD WAR 1 & 2 combined and AMERICA seems to be getting a free hand from all the destruction it has caused under the FAKE so called WAR on TERROR which in fact is WAR CRIMES and modern day GENOCIDE Recommend

  • tahir
    Feb 17, 2011 - 8:12PM

    @sara:
    hi Sara,

    hope the things may be positive at yours,

    what is your own remarks on this mis happpp.

    i am tahir from islamabad
    working in etihad airways as manager in airport,

    rgds,
    tahirRecommend

  • truth
    Feb 17, 2011 - 8:14PM

    Davis (whose identity was first denied and later confirmed by the US Embassy in Islamabad), and the embassy have claimed that he was hired as an employee of a US security company called Hyperion Protective Consultants, LLC, which was said to be located at 5100 North Lane in Orlando, Florida. Business cards for Hyperion were found on Davis by arresting officers.

    However CounterPunch has investigated and discovered information: http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff02082011.htmlRecommend

  • Anonymous
    Feb 17, 2011 - 10:22PM

    I think the american embassy is embarrassed to tell the truth that raymond cleans toiletsRecommend

  • GA
    Feb 18, 2011 - 9:15AM

    @khan:
    Or the government of Pakistan made it seem as if they were mere theifs to hide their indentities as intelligence operatives. That would be the smart move, Recommend

  • Hussain Farooqui
    Feb 18, 2011 - 5:23PM

    A good doctor is the one who diagnoses the problem of his patiently correctly and then cures it. A superficial study of the problems without producing any adequate solutions will always make the things worse. There is no use of blame game against each other. Mud slinging will further deviate us from the factual analysis.

    There was a time, when the American Marines played rugby at the public places of Pakistan. The Pakistani crowds enjoyed watching their rugby matches. Quite often, the American Marines inducted Pakistan youngsters in their rugby teams and trained them. Sometimes, the American Marines took their Pakistani friends to their ships and clubs. Similarly, Pakistani hosted lunches and dinners to their American friends. I was myself a regular visitor of the American Center. I studied books in the library and attended their programs as well.

    Let us figure out the in-depth reasons for this hostile environment of the present time. Recommend

  • Waqas
    Feb 18, 2011 - 6:01PM

    he is a terrorist.. and if you say americans can’t be terrorists, then why not just give him a pakistani passport.. then he can be branded as a terrorist. and has anyone ever asked him what he was doing with photos of madarsa’s? he is a terrorist and should be tried as suchRecommend

  • rahman
    Feb 19, 2011 - 5:47AM

    Keeping the delicate situation of our country in the international arena in mind, I feel that it is of utmost importance and in the interest of good diplomacy for the two countries to reach a compromise. Although it is crucial for the sentimental value of nationalism that this compromise be more in favor of Pakistan but then again will the United States humble its own superpower ego to do so? It is likely that the US will not proceed with such a notion.Recommend

  • X3
    Feb 19, 2011 - 10:44AM

    this guy enjoys immunity and thats damn truth! you people are just so much unaware of zardari-nawaz politicsRecommend

  • L
    Feb 19, 2011 - 11:10AM

    Raymond is not deplomat,… i think so..Recommend

  • waqas
    Feb 19, 2011 - 1:26PM

    Its all a matter of integrity and Justice. If Mr. Davis has really wrongfully murdered the victims, he surely must be punished. The people are waiting for the decision, i cant say any thing without doubt because i do not have all the relevant information. but the only thing i can say with surety is that Justice must be done, and that will be in favor of both Pakistan and United States in the long run…I say let us leave the matter to the Judges, the best we can do is to ensure that Unbiased decision is taken.Recommend

  • Hussain Farooqui
    Feb 19, 2011 - 3:36PM

    There are many things which are not obvious about Raymond Davis. Is his real name ‘Raymond Davis’? Is he really a diplomat?Recommend

  • Ali
    Feb 20, 2011 - 12:16AM

    How can a diplomat be so trained that he killed two motorcyclist from within his car with precision shooting?

    I think we as Pakistanis are not stupid to not see that who was this man and what he was trying to do in our country. America should learn the lesson and stop sending mercenaries to fight their war.

    I don’t know the real name of this murderer (AKA Raymond Davis) but he should be trialled according to our law.

    There is another thing eyeful, i.e. why US government is so desperate for him?? what does he know that they are afraid that he can tell Pakistani agencies??Recommend

  • Zeeshan
    Feb 20, 2011 - 12:41AM

    Salam

    Why we are discussing this thing everywhere in news & blog . Everybody know that he killed 4 Pakistani so case is clear that he should hang.Recommend

  • john
    Feb 20, 2011 - 1:04AM

    @Humanity:
    who, if you talking about the americans then we can agree instantlyRecommend

  • Unveiling truth
    Feb 20, 2011 - 3:22AM

    @Abdulla: I know actually he is an Israeli and was on secret mission, traveled Pakistan many times earlier and was under scanning. Meanwhile this happened. Hope for JUSTICE!!!!!!!Recommend

  • Feb 20, 2011 - 1:07PM

    @Zeeshan:
    now it becomes FOUR!!! i was waiting for the exaguration to come in.. give it a couple of more months and instead of killing a couple of known criminals he would have killed a MILLION SAINTS!!!Recommend

  • asif shafi
    Feb 21, 2011 - 6:33AM

    Raymond Davis committed an offence now he should pay the price it dos not mean that he is a American diplomat and that he can get away with it. if a Pakistani diplomat had done the same he would be a terrorist and be tried in America and be given the death penalty or about 150 years like Dr afia saddiqe the Americans are the biggest terrorists in this world.
    and know its eye for a eye. Recommend

  • MOLVI_whisky
    Feb 21, 2011 - 10:36PM

    An American investigative journalist confirms Raymond Davis isn’t his real name, nor is the security he claims to work for registered in any state of the U.S. False Id means false travel document. Diplomatic impunity … stray cats in the streets stand better chanceRecommend

  • Dr Khan
    Feb 22, 2011 - 7:17PM

    y he shot at them? He is a CIA agent, and yes This story is true , even those men were intelligence oprativs , Raymond had no right to shoot publically & who belives in American courts they will not give him free pass even Pakistanies release him. Without witnesses? how they will prove that he actually commited crime ? or they r suggesting an american court session in Pakistan ?
    This was an act of terrorism and all pplz should support fair trial
    RegardsRecommend

  • Sajid
    Feb 22, 2011 - 10:54PM
  • Saadia
    Feb 23, 2011 - 2:32PM

    hi everyone!! what happens when a kgb spy is caught in the united states or a cia spy in moscow??

    everyone knows that these two countries exchange their people after they are being thoroughly interrogated by their intelligence agencies. which sometimes take years. and then they are being exchanged on a condition that they would not discolose the information each country has gathered during their interrogation.

    raymonds case should be dealt the saame way and on top the two killings should be dealth separately.

    also our foreign minister has not even one said ” that america should disclose clearly how many other such people are operating illegally in our country” rather he is more concerned about whether he is a diplomat or not.

    moreover hillary is very active to have her spy released. americans dual standards suck.. and they don’t seem to be even a little embarrassed for what they do.

    We will all be on the streets if this man is being set free.!!!Recommend

  • Saadia
    Feb 23, 2011 - 2:37PM

    @Javed Afridi:
    dear javed.. our prisons are full of such people.. no one is concerned much whether they are punished or not.. you have failed to understand that this is not a single case.. these are two different cases and should be dealt separately. we are not talking about whether raymond is innocent or whether those two peple were criminals.. we are talking about a spy who has been caught for one reason or for another.

    got it?Recommend

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