Hakimullah's death plunges TTP into dangerous disarray

Published: November 14, 2013
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Late TTP chief Hakimullah Mehsud (C) sits with other millitants in South Waziristan. PHOTO: REUTERS

Late TTP chief Hakimullah Mehsud (C) sits with other millitants in South Waziristan. PHOTO: REUTERS

ISLAMABAD: The killing of one of the most wanted militants in a US drone strike has exposed centuries-old rivalries within the group he led, Tehreek-e-Taliban (TTP), making the insurgency ever more unpredictable and probably more violent.

Hakimullah Mehsud’s death this month has set off a power struggle within the outfit’s ranks, which could further unnerve a region already on tenterhooks with most US-led troops pulling out of neighbouring Afghanistan in 2014.

When a tribal council declared Mullah Fazlullah as the new leader of TTP last week, several furious commanders from a rival clan stood up and left.

“When Fazlullah’s name was announced, they … walked out saying, ‘The Taliban’s command is doomed’,” said one commander who attended the November 7 ‘shura’ meeting in South Waziristan, a lawless tribal region on the Afghan border.

Others at the shura declared loyalty to the hardline new leader and stayed on to map out a plan to avenge Hakimullah’s death through a new campaign of bombings and shootings.

“This is the start of our fight with the Pakistan government, an American puppet,” the Taliban official said.

“Those who forced the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan are capable of breaking up Pakistan,” he added, alluding to senior commanders whose rite of passage into war started with the rebellion against Soviet troops in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

TTP have always been divided, a loose alliance of militant bands united only by extremist beliefs and their hatred of the government and all things Western. The group operates independently of its Taliban allies in Afghanistan, who are fighting US-backed forces there.

But the death of Hakimullah, a member of the dominant Mehsud tribe, and the rise of Fazlullah, a Swat Valley native and hence an outsider in the eyes of tribesmen, changes the picture in TTP.

Under Hakimullah, the TTP had been open to the idea of peace talks with the government, even though no meaningful negotiations had taken place.

Fazlullah ruled out any talks and declared the start of a new campaign to attack government and security installations in Punjab, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s political base.

“Mehsuds are not only not happy with this appointment but there are reports of serious infighting among them that might come to the fore in the near future,” said Saifullah Mahsud, director of think tank FATA Research Center.

“I think for now the anti-peace talks group among the TTP has prevailed and hence the appointment of Fazlullah,” said Mahsud, who compiles data based on information provided by his sources on the ground in the tribal Pashtun areas.

Afghan links

Fazlullah’s threat against Punjab has unnerved Pakistan’s most prosperous and populous province, where attacks have so far been rare.

Various militant groups, including the Sipah-e-Sahaba, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Jaish-e-Mohammad, are based around Punjab and have been long tolerated or even sponsored by powerful military and intelligence establishment.

Some of them were set up to fight Indian forces in disputed Kashmir, but they have turned on Pakistan in recent years thanks to the growing influence of the TTP and al Qaeda, and have become increasingly involved in Taliban affairs.

“The situation is getting out of control and the ISI knows that,” said one Western diplomat in Islamabad, referring to the military’s powerful intelligence arm.

As the dynamic within the militancy evolves, powerful Punjabi groups are also beginning to turn their heads westwards, with many seeing the pullout of US troops from Afghanistan as a chance to expand their reach to tribal areas.

During a recent meeting with Reuters in the Pashtun city of Mardan, a group of militants – who sat cross-legged on the floor of a mud-brick safe house sipping tea and eating biscuits – said the Afghan cause was close to their hearts

“We want peace in Afghanistan under Mullah Omar’s leadership,” said Abdurakhman, a militant with Jaish-e-Mohammad, a group usually focused on Kashmir, others nodding in agreement. Mullah Omar is the chief of the Afghan Taliban.

“When the Americans leave, elders will sit down with Mullah Omar and decide. If there is a need to fight, we will recruit and send people there.”

Sitting next to him, Farhatullah, a middle-aged man with the Hizbul Mujahideen group, said he used to fight against Indian forces in Kashmir but was now ready to go to Afghanistan.

“We are the reserve force,” he said. “If needed I will … take my gun, go there and fight.”

Rift

The TTP publicly rubbishes any talk of a major rift among its ranks.

A Taliban spokesman has confirmed Fazlullah’s appointment and said there would be no more peace talks with the government.

Operatives from al Qaeda and the Haqqani network, a powerful militant group based in the mountains of North Waziristan, are also working hard to smooth over any disputes, sources say.

Mullah Omar, the reclusive, one-eyed leader of the Afghan Taliban, is said to have stepped into the debate and backed Fazlullah’s candidacy. Fazlullah knows Omar personally, having fought alongside his men in Afghanistan in 2001.

Fazlullah is still holed up in his base in Nuristan, a thickly forested Afghan region favoured by many militants hiding from US drones. To reassert control over feuding groups he would have to come back and establish a foothold in Pakistan.

“He is a non-resident commander, he is not present physically,” said an intelligence source. “But he has two advantages: He’s got a lot of money and he has Afghan support.”

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  • Babbarsher Khan
    Nov 14, 2013 - 2:57PM

    What a blow to the Kaptaan, ab kis ke saath negotiation karegaa?

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  • Uza Syed
    Nov 14, 2013 - 3:01PM

    Imran Khan & mullah Munawaer should read this couple of time and decide for themselves “Those who forced the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan are capable of breaking up Pakistan,” — my foot! Pakistanis these beasts dare us time and again, are we going to just sit back and silent spectators? Pakistan is there for us and our children and no one may dare to threat Pakistan, no one, no one under any cover irrespective of who it is and what he pretends.Recommend

  • roadkashehzada
    Nov 14, 2013 - 3:02PM

    “Those who forced the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan are capable of breaking up Pakistan,” really? charlie wilson must be turning in his grave for advocating arms to afghan fighter including the game changer stinger missile.
    who are taliban? a government who could not sustain bombing of few days and ran from kabul with all their canons lined up but nobody to use them? a regime which deserted thousands of pakistanis throughout afghanistan.anybody remember massacre of pakistanis in qila jangi when northern alliance declared amnesty for afghan fighters but captured pakistanis. if repeated, that will the ultimate end of pakistani taliban.
    i cant believe pakistnai taliban still fight for same mullah omar.

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  • Muslim Leaguer
    Nov 14, 2013 - 3:34PM

    Taliban were created by PPP Government in 1994 when late Benazir Bhutto was the Prime Minister. Her Interior Minister had declared Taliban as “our boys“.
    Taliban became the strategic asset for USA when their leaders were invited by CIA & then US President Bill Clinton personally welcomed them. The photos of Mullah AbdusSalam with Clinton & his cabinet are available on the internet.
    As usual, USA is killing its own creature when the purpose (meddling in Afghanistan and getting a foothold in the region) is fulfilled.

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  • YP Mississauga
    Nov 14, 2013 - 3:55PM

    “Those who forced the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan are capable of breaking up Pakistan,”

    How can one call these people shaheed when they are killed and how can one negotiate with people with this sort of mind frame. They should be wiped out from Pakistan.

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  • Khurram
    Nov 14, 2013 - 4:16PM

    All these barbarians knows only one thing i.e. to fight…they fought with Russia, they fought with India, they are fighting with USA, they are fighting with Pak…what rubbish…when they will not have any one to fight…they would start fighting and killing each other…what kind of pathetic mentality is that..what they will achieve in end after this much of bloodhsed….why cant they just educate themselves with modern science and comes forward for the betterment of Pakistan…

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  • S
    Nov 14, 2013 - 4:36PM

    This is getting very serious. Now is the time to make a decision.

    My view will be to push for peace talks, and we must change our image of being american puppets.

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  • Nov 14, 2013 - 4:38PM

    New TTP chief has to strike in Pakistan ( urban area ) to prove his writ among the various groups of TTP to persuade them to to toe in line.There may be one appointed second in command from the powerful tribes. PML- N government understands it and therefore using the shoulder of choudhary Nisar to bash USA for sabotaging peace talk while they are still willing to give peace( which appears bleak) a chance. in case of a failed peace talk or reluctance on the part of TTP ( which is eminent) this will also be used to convince the TTP sympathizers, (which are on the edge), that all options have been exhausted except a military option . however the regime will wait till the withdrawal of NATO forces . So Pakistan will remain in status quo( dealing with TTP and tolerate smaller attacks in Punjab) till end of the year 2014.

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  • Parvez
    Nov 14, 2013 - 4:44PM

    …….and that is why Plan B, Munawar Hassan and Fazl-u-Rehman has been activated.

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  • asif
    Nov 14, 2013 - 4:58PM

    @Parvez, that is a very wise observation. Activated by whom, though, Saudi Arabia?

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  • Xnain
    Nov 14, 2013 - 5:03PM

    This news reminded me a line from The Wrath of the Lich-King. “Leaderless, the chaos will wreck much more havoc. Control must be maintained”

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  • asif
    Nov 14, 2013 - 5:10PM

    To fight the combination of TTP, Munawar Hassan, Fazlur Rahman, Sami ul Haq, we need a combination of Jinnah, Iqbal, Musharraf, Maharajah Ranjit Singh, and Prithvi Raj Chauhan.

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  • Rex Minor
    Nov 14, 2013 - 5:25PM

    The Reuters info is based on second hand info and hyped ith speculations. Pakistan leadership must do their own housekeeping and formulating a viable strategic course while the Talibans decide on their future moves to defend their homeland. This does not automaticaly mean confrontation. Pakistan must change its current course by withdrawing the Pakistan military out of the autonomous territories and encourage the Taliban leadership to participate in political dialogue with the Provincial Governments. The status quo of the current Pakistan Government without any initiative of a change will sooner than later bring Imran Khan allied with the religious political establishments as the next Government in Pakistan! Mr Sharif has very little time left for action to save democracy.

    Rex Minor

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  • Baba Ji
    Nov 14, 2013 - 5:26PM

    Good !!!

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  • Last Word
    Nov 14, 2013 - 5:27PM

    Hakimullah was living within one km of the military HQ but it was drone not army who found him and killed him. The new TTP chief would now demand the military to allow him to stay within its camp which I am sure they would oblige him willingly.

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  • Kohestani
    Nov 14, 2013 - 5:30PM

    The most deplorable thing is that we have to read Reuter to know what is going on in the heart of Pakistan…

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  • Kohestani
    Nov 14, 2013 - 5:36PM

    @Khurram…You reap what you sow….Instead of investing in infrastructure and education Pakistan sowed bullets in the heart of Pasthun land, and the bullets Pakistan is reaping now…

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  • binger
    Nov 14, 2013 - 5:57PM

    Punjabi Talibans versus Pathan Talibans:
    Its gonna be a great show.
    Lets see who will win the race of the power.

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  • Haris
    Nov 14, 2013 - 5:58PM

    @Uza Syed:
    And I think you forgot to miss the part it says “American puppet” and like Imran Khan said once we always remain in their eyes as an American puppet and ally (although I am aware this was is now Pakistan’s) and we delierately targeted tribal areas on US orders Pakistan will remain as their target. And about the Sharia Law, they now use that as an excuse to justify their horrific actions. Please let this go through ET!

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  • kapt slim
    Nov 14, 2013 - 6:18PM

    On a different note …. why we give so much publicity to terrorist organizations …. in this way we are just helping them to achieve their goals …

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  • Candid1
    Nov 14, 2013 - 6:47PM

    I hope they all kill each other, and save us the trouble!

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  • Ajay
    Nov 14, 2013 - 6:55PM

    @asif:
    India will help Pakistan, when 2 things happen a)It sees a determined Pakistani Army b)Pakistan Army and govt make a joint request. An international fighting force can also be created to kill these pests. Pak Army has to first start the operations on its own and demonstrate their intent. The eventual confrontation between the TTP/Jamaiti/LeT/Afghan Taliban, all of which are in nexus, versus the State of Pakistan is written in stone. Pak Army is only delaying things, at its own cost. The negotiations are not going to go anywhere because these people have turned against the Army and the Constitution and they only know one thing- fighting, killing, blowing things up. That is the extent of planning they will do in whichever region they will hold power.

    It is very clear that Afghan Taliban and TTP work closely and check with each other. Why is ISI giving shelter to Mullah Omar? IT should use its knowledge of their locations and have them killed in a surprise attack. Afghan peace will start moving faster then. The world will be grateful to Pakistan and Pakistan would have helped itself too.Recommend

  • Jibran
    Nov 14, 2013 - 7:00PM

    And PMLN and PTI rant that drones are counter productive. Of course, they are counter productive to the interests of these parties. Fact is that US did what Pakistani government should have been doing. Fire the useless and pathetic Ch. Nisar, and outsource ministry of interior to Black Water for a year. It will indeed flush out all the criminals.

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  • Nov 14, 2013 - 7:07PM

    @Rex Minor:
    I agree with the dialogue part, this is the only viable solution for Pakistan at the moment.
    The current government has taken no initiative and insists on talking.
    But I don’t consider Imran Khan to be pro-Taliban, till now the only impression he has put forth is of a dialogue with them upon which in several lobbies he has been condemned as a Taliban apologist, Taliban Khan etc. which is preposterous considering that USA who has waged a war against them has put a halt on all proceedings and is trying to bring them down using talks.
    Please explain how you consider that Imran Khan will let the any radical parties control his government if he does come to power.
    Also, according to my beliefs and from the studying religion, I have found that Islamic system of law is very beneficial to the society. The thing to note here is that no nation till now has successfully been able to implement it. Either it has been too extreme, e. g. KSA, Taliban or very liberal.
    – Respect.

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  • Avtar
    Nov 14, 2013 - 7:12PM

    It is a false bravado that Taliban forced Soviet Union out of Afghanistan and they can do the same to Pakistan. Yes Taliban did shed blood and showed strong resistance. The deciding factor for Soviet withdrawal was introduction of Stinger missiles by the US on a limited basis.
    I do not know if the US will do the same now.

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  • Farhan
    Nov 14, 2013 - 7:37PM

    Shame on Kaptaan for supporting these barbarians who are openly threatening to break our beloved Pakistan. I want my vote back, Mr Kaptaan, are you listening?

    “This is the start of our fight with the Pakistan government, an American puppet,” the Taliban official said.

    “Those who forced the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan are capable of breaking up Pakistan,” he added.

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  • Sexton Blake
    Nov 14, 2013 - 7:48PM

    @Last Word: TTP personnel residing with Pakistan military.
    Living in a Pakistan military camp could be dangerous. The US/NATO attack Pakistan military bases. Remember the November, 2011 Salala incident. I think it was US General Allen who explained they had navigation problems. I offered to lend him my satellite navigation system, but the offer was not taken up. Perhaps that is the problem now? Maybe the US think that if they send enough drones/fighter bombers over Pakistan they will eventually get the right target. Funny how the Pakistan Government gets seriously upset over Pakistan soldiers getting killed, but not women and children. Have to leave it to IK to get upset about the children won’t we?

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  • powvow
    Nov 14, 2013 - 8:01PM

    @ Muslim Leaguer –
    “Taliban were created by PPP Government in 1994 when late Benazir Bhutto was the Prime Minister
    As usual, USA is killing its own creature when the purpose (meddling in Afghanistan and getting a foothold in the region) is fulfilled.”

    And the other players especially the Saudis, the Pakistani establishment are spotlessly clean and can be absolved of this act.. Not to mention the ordinary Pakistanis – who incidently have to make up their mind as to whether these guys are terrorists or freedom fighters as also the talk-shows eugolising the brave deeds of these beasts and the awam lapping these up.

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  • Imran Ahmed
    Nov 14, 2013 - 8:16PM

    If Pak Army senses popular support it can smash TTP. These bloodthirsty savages without a conscience are holding families in North Waziristan as human shields. With a mounting non combatant body count popular support will evaporate as happened after the ham fisted attack on Lal Masjid.
    We need to intelligently cut of the heads of this hydra. Targeted assassinations, misinformation, cutting off of funds, local opposition, paratroopers, drones, rat traps, every trick has to be used without trembling at inevitable setbacks on the way to exterminating these unclean creatures.

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  • Adnan Siddiqi
    Nov 14, 2013 - 8:44PM

    @Imran Ahmed:

    Amen to that brother! And while we are setting-up rat traps, any “Rat” based inside Pakistan who dares to even utter so much as whimper in favor of these bandits should also be exterminated – from Banigala to Mansoora.

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  • Nov 14, 2013 - 9:19PM

    Mullah Omar is backing Fazlullah, apparently good buddies. Haqqani and Al Qaeda are trying to help the TTP transition. The Punjabi extremist groups are willing to back them up, and only NOW the Punjab govt and the military are finally concerned.

    What a mess, Pakistan…they are all coming home (some never left home) to roost. How did anyone stupidly think there was anything such as a ‘good Taliban’ or consider these monsters as ‘mujahids’ or ‘strategic assets’?

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  • Nov 14, 2013 - 9:38PM

    The disarray among various groups will lead to more confusion thus tougher time for the common folks of the region. The stake holders in the region will have to combine their resources together and stand firm against any fresh threats announced by the enemy. This is not new for the security forces or the people of the region. TTP have been attacking both without a lull. Even when the current Pakistani government had the APC, the TTP kept on with their attacks on the Pakistani public and its security forces. We understand that the option to negotiate with the TTP is Pakistan’s internal matter but we should never drop our guards and always be vigilant and prepared against the enemy’s threats.

    Abdul Quddus
    DET- United States Central Command

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  • mithidada
    Nov 14, 2013 - 9:46PM

    All those recommending talks with these killers, can you mention one point that would be on the agenda of talks with the Taliban?

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  • Xnain
    Nov 14, 2013 - 9:55PM

    @Uza Syed:
    “Those who forced the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan are capable of breaking up Pakistan,”
    Despite, the open threat to the integrity of Pakistan was given by no one else but your beloved Altaf Bhai. Do have a look into the mirror before mocking others.

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  • Parvez
    Nov 14, 2013 - 10:07PM

    @asif: Thank you…………..but your guess is as good as mine The answer is decidedly a difficult one.

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  • Nasir
    Nov 14, 2013 - 10:11PM

    “Mullah Omar, the reclusive, one-eyed leader of the Afghan Taliban, is said to have stepped into the debate and backed Fazlullah’s candidacy”

    Really? then who attacked Fazlullah recently in Afghanistan? And the why and how is Fazlullah linked with Afghan Intelligence agency? Come on..bring some logic in the story.

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  • Dr. A.K.Tewari
    Nov 14, 2013 - 10:19PM

    Besides diversity extinction is also a law of nature . So forget unity in diversity for the time being and conduct the operation for extinction of a whole race of a Homosapience for the existence of the fittest races .Recommend

  • Anti Taliban
    Nov 14, 2013 - 10:19PM

    It is mostly a myth that the Muj defeated the Soviets. The Russians left behind a government that lasted 3 months longer the the Soviet Union. Only when the money and weapons stopped coming in, did the government disintegrate.

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  • Sami khan
    Nov 14, 2013 - 10:51PM

    pakistan army has been fighting TTP for last 10 years, what was achieved in 10 years? TTP leadership is safe in afghanistan, Mullah omar and Afghan Taliban are now supporting TTP. PA/ISI sponsored groups will start supporting TTP after 2014 when there funds stop coming from ISI.
    If you can get out of pakistan RUN NOW. if not get a AK47, be ready! Somalia will look like paradise

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  • Shaikh Mohommad
    Nov 14, 2013 - 10:51PM

    How many Pakistan soldiers should die before it dawns upon everyone that American war on terror is a disaster and Pakistan should come out of it. American Government is a purely a war machine. There was never a time when American soldiers were not attacking other countries. Perhaps the idea is that let American soldiers wage wars in other countries. If they come back to USA, they will overthrow American government and establish Martial law in the country. Good thinking on the part of American Government.

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  • Shaikh Mohommad
    Nov 14, 2013 - 10:54PM

    @S:
    We are American puppets. Pakistan Army receives its instructions from Washington and bombs its own citizens. Drone attacks are done with the consent of Pakistan Army. Pakistan Army casualties are piling up. It does not matter to those who are slaves of America.

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  • aq
    Nov 14, 2013 - 10:55PM

    Russia was defeated by American and not by the so called mujahedeens. JI, Gulbadeen Hekmatyar and others were paid stooges of CIA.

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  • Nov 14, 2013 - 10:57PM

    @Xnain:
    Responding negatively to the ones who speak out of hatred leads only to a perpetual blame-game which can be commonly seen on TV all the time. Treat them with patience and kindness and justify your point with examples aligned to only Pakistan and not to a party.
    P. S. I am not evangelizing you, or trying, just saying so you know how to treat trolls, hate-talkers :)

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  • Hasan Mehmood
    Nov 14, 2013 - 11:11PM

    @mithidada:
    {All those recommending talks with these killers, can you mention one point that would be on the agenda of talks with the Taliban?}

    I have cried my self hoarse commenting on ET / DAWN blogs and even writing a couple of letters during the last 3 years but never ever got a reply regarding broad terms of negotiations. I said let’s give them moon, stars and everything in between in return for sparing our necks and letting us live our lives as we deem fit. Again no takers.
    They don’t need provincial autonomy, schools, hospitals, roads, control of natural resources, gas and electricity connections, representation in Parliament / Senate, development funds or employment opportunities. They are happy with a pair of sleepers, awami suit and a gun over their shoulders. We have nothing they need accept our way of life and a chance to put us back on a right path and slaughter those who refuse to fall in line. THE REST IS HOGWASH.

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  • Sexton Blake
    Nov 14, 2013 - 11:14PM

    @mithidada:
    Yes, a key point on the agenda would be to stop using drones, which kill children,

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  • numbersnumbers
    Nov 14, 2013 - 11:26PM

    @Sexton Blake:
    WOW, so now the Salala ridge border outposts on the Durrand Line were full size Pakistani Army Bases just like Army HQ in North Waziristan and Army academy in Abbottabad!!’

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  • csmann
    Nov 15, 2013 - 12:05AM

    @Shaikh Mohommad:
    seems like Munawar Hassan is not alone in denigrating the army and eulogizing the terrorists.

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  • numbersnumbers
    Nov 15, 2013 - 12:37AM

    @Sexton Blake:
    BTW, drone attacks stop when Pakistan cleans out known terrorist “safe havens” inside “Sovereign Pakistan”!

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  • Xnain
    Nov 15, 2013 - 12:39AM

    @Jibran:
    It is necessary to repeat your usual rants at every news-piece? ET should crown you with the troll of the year award…

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  • Syed A. Mateen
    Nov 15, 2013 - 1:16AM

    “This is the start of our fight with the Pakistan government, an American puppet,” the Taliban official said.

    “Those who forced the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan are capable of breaking up Pakistan.”

    Pakistan is at a very critical juncture as far as Al-Qaeda, Taliban, TTP and other fanatic religious groups are concerned. Then there is one more complex issue of leftist and rightist politicians of Pakistan who are playing the same as of Al-Qaeda, Taliban. TTP and other fanatic religious groups.

    No one in the country is sincere with Pakistan and every one wants to grab power by hook or by crook to rule the country.

    In view of the challenges faced to Pakistan, it is necessary that these factions who are united to break Pakistan should be broken first to save Pakistan.

    On one hand we have India and on other hand we have Afghanistan. Unfortunately, both of these countries are against the very existence of Pakistan, though they can openly utter their agendas, but all of there actions are against the interest of Pakistan.

    The exit of US forces from Afghanistan in early 2014 is a blessings in disguise for Pakistan, but after the complete withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan, these militants groups is thinking to completely control Afghanistan by bring the Taliban Government in Afghanistan.

    The government of Pakistan should handle the issue carefully and very tactfully, so that on one hand Taliban should not be able to exert the pressure on Pakistan but on the other hand Taliban should not take over Afghanistan for a single day.

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  • VKD
    Nov 15, 2013 - 8:07AM

    @Babbarsher Khan: Captaan abhi nya heh is khell men! He did not know the TTP is made of very different soil than his. He is little too optimistic due to his lack of experience & knowledge of the fast changing winds and color of the deep sea storm. Before you offer any medicine or food you have to see first what soothes and comfort the bison most__ and you can’t provide that without giving-up everything you live & die for.

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  • Sexton Blake
    Nov 15, 2013 - 8:21AM

    @numbersnumbers:
    Dear numbers,
    I really should not reply to your childish missives, and even when I do ET rarely prints them. However, in view of your doubtful nomenclature, misplaced expression, lack of knowledge and non-existent logic I feel it is has become my unhappy role in life to try and put you on the right track. It is a heavy burden to carry, but somebody has to do it. I do not intend to start educating you today, because I have a busy schedule for the next few days. However, I solemnly promise that I will start your training schedule, ET permitting, in the very near future. In the interim, just keep in mind that the US illegally attacked Afghanistan 12 years ago, and when the deposed, but legitimate Taliban Government fought back they were labelled as terrorists. This label has continued to the present day, and the people who do not do research believe the US propaganda releases.

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  • Hasan Mehmood
    Nov 15, 2013 - 2:26PM

    @Sexton Blake:
    {Yes, a key point on the agenda would be to stop using drones, which kill children}

    Yes that could be one point which could be discussed. Please continue. I am all ears. You may finally end my frustrating quest for enlightenment.

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  • Nov 15, 2013 - 4:03PM

    I had written a response to you. But ET might not publish it.
    A helpful link for you would be to read up:
    http://thefailedrebel.blogspot.com/2013/11/about-military-response.htmlRecommend

  • numbersnumbers
    Nov 16, 2013 - 12:29AM

    @Sexton Blake:
    However, in view of your lack of reality, immersion in fanciful delusions, and expressions of egotistic superiority (or ignorance?), I can only continue to point out (for all to see) your continuous lack of any supporting credible references that support your deluded versions of reality!
    BTW, all can go to Wikipedia to read all about why America came to Afghanistan years ago (complete with dozens of supporting references listed) which differs significantly from @Sexton Blake’s “propaganda releases”!!

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  • mithidada
    Nov 16, 2013 - 12:54AM

    @Sexton Blake. Ah yes. the drones. In case you have missed it, it is the US that is firing the drones. But I am sure you expect us to order the US to stop and they will stop.
    The US, rightly or wrongly, have identified the drones as being positive to their interests. There is nothing that Pakistan can do to stop these strikes. Oh yes, there is one thing; clean FATA – and the rest of the country – of these criminals and murderers. Then other powers will not have to send drones to do a job that Pakistan should be doing.

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  • Hasan Mehmood
    Nov 16, 2013 - 1:51AM

    @The Failed Rebel:

    {I had written a response to you. But ET might not publish it.
    A helpful link for you would be to read up:
    http://thefailedrebel.blogspot.com/2013/11/about-military-response.html}

    I have read the blog. Prima facia it plausibly carries weight but can be easily replied to.

    Moderator ET: There is nothing objectionable in the referred blog. Please publish it so I can reply on this page. Thanks

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  • csmann
    Nov 16, 2013 - 5:00AM

    @numbersnumbers:
    Mr.Blake has this innate hatred for America.So he will weave anything to support his fancy.Fortunately hardly anybody believes in him.I guess he has listened too much to Zaid Hamid.He will ignore 50000 Pakistanis killed,but concentrate only on drones.He believes OBL was not killed in Abbotabad.He was so much against USA bombing Syria,but when it did not,he has his theories about Russia defeating USA.You can say anything logical,he will accept only his view,however illogical and fabricated.

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  • Sexton Blake
    Nov 16, 2013 - 9:49AM

    @numbersnumbers: Lesson 1055
    Dear numbers,
    My continuing tutoring to help you get on the right track. I am starting to realize why you get it wrong so often. In my naivety I did not think that any person with an IQ greater than 70 would bother using Wikipedia as source material. However, keep up the discourse. We might both learn something. On the other hand, Mark Twain did say in so many words: “Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience”.

    Dear Mithidada,
    The real criminals entered the Sub-Continent 12 years ago, and at the time were fully and ably assisted by a very doubtful Pakistani Government. To say that Pakistan cannot do anything about the drone problem is a cop-out. You obviously agree with the contributors who say that Pakistan is a lost cause. Imran Khan, who is valiantly attempting to undo the dreadful societal damage created by the US/NATO group has an extremely difficult task ahead of him. If Pakistan, as a whole, ever attempts to seriously straighten out the current 12 year old debacle, which is not going anywhere, it will require patience, integrity, diplomacy, and tact over a long period. Unfortunately, those assets are in serious short supply as far as the current incumbents are concerned, except of course with the exception of IK. Imran Khan is showing the way, but nobody is following him. If they do not Pakistan has a long hard Sisyphean type task ahead with no end in sight. Just remember that the Pashtuns, which the Taliban are part of, number over 45 million people.

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