Speakers at a forum discussing Pakistan India dialogue process after tension on Line of Control expressed divergent views on the position Pakistan has to take, but were unanimous that talks must continue.
Politicians, diplomats and defence experts present at the Express Forum said that border tension should not be used to ignite public emotions.
They said talks with India must continue but at a level of parity and in a manner that the national dignity is not hurt.
However, veteran politician Syeda Abida Hussain said that talking about dialogue with India at parity was fiction. “We may think we are equal to India, but does India consider us so,” the former ambassador to the US said.
She said that everyone wants peace on borders, but the Pakistani nation must realise its position.
India was a much bigger state and a regional power whereas Pakistan due to its peculiar circumstances was considered the epicentre of global terrorism, Abida Hussain said.
She said that even the global powers were not willing to help Pakistan against Indian aggression, though a senior US official in Kabul admitted that India was working against Pakistan’s interest.
She said Pakistan’s relations with three of its neighbours, India, Afghanistan and Iran were not normal. In such a situation, she said, it would be sheer fictional thinking to talk at parity with India.
Leftist leader and president of Awami Workers Party Abid Hasan Minto said today even the hawkish Jamaat-e-Islami does not want a war. Till few years back, the Jamaat was always calling for war with India, but now the nation has understood that war is not a solution. The only result war gives is carnage.
“We know that nuclear bombs are never made to be used,” Minto said. He too delved into detail over the supremacy of India over Pakistan in the realm of power, area, economy, democracy and diplomacy. Minto elaborated on the political and economic weaknesses of Pakistan and the role of military in every sphere of life.
He said Pakistan is moving towards disintegration and it would be unwise to be aggressive towards India and provoke public sentiments.
Awami National Party Secretary General Ehsan Wyne said religious extremism is present both in India and Pakistan. Nawaz Sharif had started dialogue process with India in his earlier term, but his government was toppled. PM Nawaz has again taken the initiative to ensure the talks with India which should be supported. “But,” Wyen stressed, “it must be kept in mind that Pakistan India dialogue should be held at a parity level.”
Jamaat-e-Islami Deputy Secretary General Dr Fareed Ahmed Piracha said that India has violated borders 84 times in 12 days killing a number of civilians.
“We are not against dialogue, but not at the cost of national dignity and honour,” he said.
He said the tensions on the border and the war hysteria was being created in India only because of the upcoming elections. “Politics in India runs on anti-Pakistan sentiments,” he said.
“So far 132 rounds of Pakistan India dialogue have taken place, but with no result and not even a word about the core issue of Kashmir or dams on rivers coming into Pakistan from the Indian side,” he said.
He said Nawaz Sharif has made friendship with India the prime agenda of the government and set aside terrorism, power shortage and other issues haunting the nation.
Former corps commander of Mangla, retired Lt Gen Ghulam Mustafa said Pakistan India tension should be seen in historic perspective. He said that the Pak-Afghan region has been strife-ridden for centuries. The British, Russian and now American powers have tried their luck in the region and now India was spreading its wings.
India wants to spread its influence to acquire the resources of the Caspian Sea region, which is rich in minerals, oil and gas reserves, he said.
“India wants to weaken the borders to the extent that it has no difficulty in reaching Afghanistan and then further north. But we cannot allow this to happen,” he said.
Published in The Express Tribune, August 17th, 2013.
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@Rabbani: our separatist movements are for separate state hood,,,,,not for a separate country,,,,first know that,,and then talk abt india!!!!
@danish:
"No country is any smaller than any other country on the table of negotiations."
you really believe in this ? if the United States of America and Tajikistan sit on some table tomorrow, you think both will have "equal" value ??? Hahahaha
It is disappointing that Pakistan's politicians like Abida Hussain have such a pessimistic and low view of their own country. No country is any smaller than any other country on the table of negotiations. It all depends on what give and take one can do. Pakistan holds a high degree of influence on regional countries and is an important country and India knows this. It would have just been luckier if Pakistan had a bit smarter politicians too.
Parity or disparity we should not be crazy about this myth.Only good neighbourly and good friendly relations with India are must.Only this will strengthen Pakistan.Abida and Minto both are far right.
@Rabbani: -- Is there any report as to how many times Pakistan has violated LOC during the last 12 days. ? sir , Pakistan alone does not have exclusive rights on dignity and honor. But surely normalization process for the trade talk must be saved. Trade normalization alone will pave the way for peach talks including the core issue of Kashmir.
@Rabbani:
Dude could you please tell us which separatist movement is involved in Uttar Pradesh ?
This resonates the voice of majority of Pakistanis.
There is no need for us to ponder what India thinks of Pakistan. Talks or no talks, peace process must proceed, if it has to, where both states are at parity. Period.
Somebody must have told her that India's relations were not normal either with FIVE of her neighbors, i.e. Pakistan, China, Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.
Is this guy Pakistani by any chance, or has he ever visited Pakistan besides for the purpose of this seminar, huh? His words resemble those used by hawkish Indian newspapers, which have been brain-washing the poor neighbors for so long. Currently, separatist movements are in Baluchistan, and to some extent in Sindh, but these are extremely minor and weak. If those were not so, majority of Sindhis and Baluchis wouldn't have participated in large numbers in the recent general elections. It's fiction and foolish to think Pakistan is heading towards disintegration.
Maybe somebody should teach him lessons on the massive separatists movements in Indian-occupied Kashmir, Assam, Uttar Pradesh, etc.
corrupt politicians acting as intellectuals. pakistan zindabad
OK >>>> all are agreed that WAR is not the answer.
But is a no-war & no-peace situation a healthy option.
Let there be GOOD WILL. Neighbours can not be exchanged for others ; one has to live with ones neighbours, like it or not.
@Raj - USA: sounds like a conspiracy theory to me! Let me assure you that nobody in Pakistan seems to think this way!
As Dr Fareed Ahmed Piracha says, war hysteria in India could be due to upcoming elections. But war hysteria being created in Pakistan is definitely due to the army trying take over reins of power in Pakistan again. They have been out of power for over 5 years and it is too much for them.
Such sane talk coming out of Jamaat-e-Islami?? Simply hard to digest!
No we are not ! One country is 10 times the size in its economy (GDP), 18 times the export volume in dollars, 17 times more in Foreign Exchange Reserves, 3 times larger in military, has never had a single martial-law, has more harmony and security amongst its vastly diverse populace and is considered to be the emerging super power by global audience.
The other is considered to be a hot bed of terrorism with a failing economy, broken institutions, civil-war like militancy and factions throughout, rising extremism and a global-migraine that is always poking nose in the affairs of its neighbours !
For the above reasons, no Indian would ever consider us remotely equal ! India is on ascendancy and we are on a sharp descent !