The writer is national editor at
The Express Tribune
naveed.hussain@tribune.com.pk
On the streets, the youth wing of the ruling Congress Party has caused tempers to flare. Its activists organised vociferous protests in major urban centres where Pakistan’s national flag was burnt. In the capital New Delhi, they tried, though unsuccessfully, to mob the Pakistan High Commission. And in Amritsar, they briefly stopped the Lahore-bound Dosti bus and harassed its Pakistani passengers with their menacing slogans.
In the Indian parliament, Antony played to the gallery. He retracted his earlier pragmatic statement and joined the chorus of the hawkish opposition MPs by lobbing veiled threats at Pakistan. Unsatisfied by Antony’s about-face, some opposition MPs urged the Congress-led government to call off a planned meeting between Prime Ministers Manmohan Singh and Nawaz Sharif on the fringes of the UN General Assembly next month. Others called for scrapping the crucial secretary-level talks for which Islamabad has already proposed dates. Sadly enough, over three dozen top former civil and military bureaucrats also advised Singh “not to rush into dialogue with Pakistan”.
This knee-jerk reaction from India is regrettable. This shows our hyphenated relationship has been caught up in a time-warp since the 1947 Partition. Nothing has changed, at least in India. Rounds and rounds of dialogue haven’t even narrowed down the trust deficit. Detente between the two rivals is as fragile and vulnerable as ever. And one unpleasant incident can undo the gains of years of diplomacy.
India’s overreaction also shows a lack of pragmatism on the part of its politicians. The Bharatiya Janata Party and its like-minded groups used the incident for political point-scoring ahead of next year’s general elections. They are least bothered about the possible dangerous implications of their political short-sightedness.
On the contrary, Pakistan’s response to the Indian belligerence was mature and responsible. Premier Sharif expressed “sadness” over the LoC incident and loss of “precious human lives”. Such an expression of empathy was unprecedented. This shows the statesman-like approach of Sharif, who has come of age. Similarly, the Pakistani media, too, reacted comparatively responsibly and sought to defuse the tension instead of stoking it further like their counterparts in India.
Coming to the August 6 LoC “ambush”. Realistically speaking, the Pakistani military is already stretched too thin. It cannot afford to open another front at a time when it’s fighting two resilient homegrown insurgencies. Also, this is not 1998 nor is General Kayani overambitious like his predecessor.
No doubt, India is a big country. But this doesn’t mean it can coerce Pakistan into some kind of submission. In international diplomacy, sovereign states maintain relations on parity basis. If New Delhi seriously wants to pursue good ties with Islamabad, it has to stop its obsession with the Pakistani military and the ISI, it has to rein in extremists on its side of the border and the Indian media and politicians have to act responsibly. War-mongering will only serve the purpose of hate-mongers on this side of the border and vitiate the atmosphere, which is in neither side’s interest.
Published in The Express Tribune, August 13th, 2013.
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@Bob Hash: How did this letter get past the Tribune moderator.You must be a RAW agent.Only Raw agents can make such a truthful contribution
@Deepwater: Good one
@faraz: I wish there were more people like you
Wisdom/Sanity along with a diplomatic maturity is quite perceptible with regard to Indo-Pak relationship. The recent developments of killing of Indian soldiers and cross border firings have had the desired moderate response without the unwarranted hysteria. The people as well as the governments of the two neighbouring countries desire for peace, harmony and amity and sincerely desire to promote the trust between neighbours. The situation needs to be converted to an opportunity.
Hahaha what a joke of an article!
@gp65: well come what u waiting for u got reasons to attack GO ON THEN STOP BLAH BLAH BLAH come on we love to sort out our differnceses by any mean
@Ex-Hindu: abhorrent, despicable, loathsome, hateful, narrow-minded, deceitful, dishonest, wicked, mean, malicious, malevolent, etcetera, etcetera
Wow.. Google these words, Paki International migraine Pathological liars
Actually the problem with India is that somehow, for some unknown reason, they have started thinking they are the united states of Asia. Let me tell my Indian friends here that if they make a mistake of taking Pakistan easy or get the mature reaction of Pakistani government as its weakness...they are going to have a bad bad time...since we are already crises, we are ready to FK some ST up....and we diffuse all our tension and anger on you in the form of F**king....
Normal people consider mature reactions to be mature irrespective of the party in question but Indians will seemingly filter everything in a sieve of hatred when it comes to Pakistan. Indians, as if habitually, dismiss even commendable actions from the Pakistani side probably because of their deep-rooted sense of denial of Pakistan as a reality.
Any Pakistani reading these comments would feel a deep sense of hatred coming from the Indian side and agree with me. I have started to believe that Indians secretly celebrate every time a bomb goes off in Pakistan. Highly regrettable and heart breaking.
No wonder India sets the bar for being the poverty (and increasingly rape) capital in the world. What makes India really laughable though is the fact that Indians think India is "shining" while little slumdog looks up at Ambani's tower of decadence from the largest slum on Earth.
Conclusion: Indians = Ever hateful, never self-critical and always in denial.
P.S. Congratulations in advance for Modi being elected as PM; India has apparently reached the appropriate level of bigotry for that.
@Jat: Nukes are a great equalizer. Keep that in mind :)
an excellent article ...
@All Indian trolls:
No matter how much you cry foul, it is not going to help change anything on ground. Neither Pakistanis are afraid nor impressed by your loud noises, and neither ignorant of the horrendous acts India has committed against humanity by sponsoring terrorism in her neighboring countries resulting tens of thousands of innocent people losing their lives and destroying hundreds of thousands of families -- you don't even spare your own citizens of different faith from your unquenchable thirst for human blood, perhaps a result of reverence for 'Kaali Maata', reincarnated in blood dripping from her tongue -- and the war mongering hysteria like attitude towards your neighbors. You're not that innocent as you portray, rather the most evil thing on earth. Only the fools could believe in your narratives.
@Bob Hash:
"I’d rather remain illiterate than be as educated as you are"
You're only proving my point. It takes a lot lot more hard work to get to the truth and reality than merely spending happy hours watch Indian movies and reading comments posted by the warriors of their Hindutva cyberforce. The real knowledge, of course, is far beyond and bigger than the text books you read in school. And in these modern days of Internet, the world's biggest ever university and library, knowing the truth and getting to reality is not as difficult as it used to be in the past. Only you need to learn how to properly use it, and separate lies and disinformation from facts.
Sindhi, sindhu, Hindu, India, Indus – are all related words referring to land and people of river indus.
@Hindu: @Bob Hash: Indonesia is a great example. They follow islam but keep their hindu cultural identity. Islamic republic of Indonesia has Garuda airline,they have Ganesh image in their currency notes, Ramayana is the national folklore. Sita, laxman are common muslim names in Indonesia. Why Pakistanis does not follow the same.
By mature Pakistan, does the author mean the Nawaz Sharif government or the deep state which has the actual power?
@Ex-Hindu:
Had you had spent that much time studying Indo-Pak history from credible sources than you used writing your extra-long comment,
I hope you are referring to 'credible sources' other than Pakistan Studies. Now, can you name some of them please?
Here is some help “abhorrent, despicable, loathsome, hateful, narrow-minded, deceitful, dishonest, wicked, mean, malicious, malevolent, etcetera, etcetera…”
Have you checked the reputation of Pakistanis recently. Recite this list to any Afghan, for example, and ask him what or who does it fit. Or, even ask a Pakistani Hazra, if you want. Go ahead.
When I set fire to somebody's home, I don't have to be hysterical at all. It is the person whose house is ablaze that will be hysterical. If Pakistanis are not hysterical over the terrorism on their own soil, it is because they know who fanned the flames of that terror network and who trained and equipped them.
@Bob Hash: @ ex-Hindu
While I am not going to comment on the colourful adjectives that ex-Hindu (perhaps, he is an "honest" Pakistani Muslim who prefers to call himself "ex-Hindu") uses to describe the attributes of Indians, I must thank Bob Hash for his lengthy self-correcting explanation that seeks to put things in perspective. At the risk of sounding pedantic and equally long, I must, however, commend such attitude as displayed by Mr. Harsh in trying to explain to Pakistanis that they have had a history of self-effacing and volatile relationship with India, spurred by hate-filled propaganda fed to them since the partition of the nation by persons, institutions and parties who were following their own personal agenda and cared little for the welfare of Pakistanis. Thus, immense hatred replaced the once affection, brotherhood and solidarity that characterized the relations between the various religious communities of colonial India. Pakistan was born and, instead of making attempts to de-escalate the horrors of partition, the fires of hatred were kept alive and even further stoked. I would not go into Pakistan's turbulent history of 65 years but there has been no attempt by its leaders, so far, to concentrate on economic development, eradication of poverty, raising of living standards, building up a nation, etc. India has also had a similar chequered history until the last two decades when things began to move in a different direction. But I would like to mention about something that might touch cords of brotherhood and humanity on both sides: I was amused at the irony of fate when I met a Pakistani elder, who was born in Bombay and now lives in Karachi; I, on the other hand, was born in Karachi but live in Bombay. That man and I were at once drawn to each other (despite our considerable age difference); we discussed so many things of common interest and he even invited me home in London for a full-day's hospitality which I unabashedly took advantage of. Though I was born in Karachi just a few days before partition -- it was still not known by the moniker Pakistan -- and have not seen the city of my birth, I have heard all the lovely things that my grandparents and parents narrated to me about it. And my Bombay-born Pakistani friend narrated to me all the things he did as a lad in Bombay; he remembered the Metro cinema (it still exists and attracts huge crowds of Bollywood-crazy viewers), the Bombay Gymkhana (where one can dine under the gaze of British royalty staring down from neatly framed paintings), etc. The reason why I narrate this is to completely juxtapose the human side of our relationship against the harsh words of "ex-Hindu" who sees our magnificent world in sheer black and white colours, ignoring the grey shades that connote an entirely different world consisting of human beings with the same colour of blood and feelings. Why would a Pakistani not see that Indians are not his enemies? If we could play cricket and drink and eat with each other, we can also coexist peacefully, as we mostly do when we live abroad. We are from the same race, notwithstanding the claims of some Pakistanis that they are "descendants" of Arabs (if Pakistanis only knew what Arabs really think of them and what they talk behind their backs!) or even Turks or what have you. Well, you cannot stop people from believing things that are not true but it is self-deception to pretend what you are not. The India-Pakistan relationship, as portrayed by the hateful comments one reads here, would suggest that the people of both countries do not relish the thought of reconciliation. That may or may not be true. But both Indians and Pakistanis are highly emotional people: their common DNA conditions them in that manner. Indians have in recent years reached a point where the mere mention of Pakistan is tantamount to waving a red flag before a charging bull. It will be very difficult to convince them that Pakistanis will change and renounce their propensity to senseless violence that is also destroying their own country and taking toll of precious human lives, let us hope that there are no untowards incidents that will put bilateral relations back to a time which will be irretrievably hopeless. Violence is the worst evil that man can inflict on others. Let us hope that the Shakespearean purge - the catharsis -- has already started to take place in Pakistan and that the future of Pakistan will now rest in the hands of intelligent nation-building people like Mr. Hash and not in the hands of madrassah-brainwashed ideologues who can take the country back to the stone age and prevent its movement towards modernity. I am angry, sad and disenchanted at the falsehood and fiction that the author of the article "Hysterical India, Mature Pakistan" has tried to convey, but I guess I should be grateful that by reading this dreadful article (it reads more like a piece of senseless and incoherent gibberish) I could also benefit from the intelligent writing of people like Mr. Hash and others who have tried to put things in proper light.
Instead of asking Pakistan to 'take responsibility' (for something which no Pakistani ever did), we should be recognizing and admiring the mature, measured, responsible conduct on both its borders - with India and with Afghanistan. For decades Pakistan has born the brunt horrible chaos and violence in both these nations. Pakistan has given shelter to refugees from Kabul and from Kashmir. This should be applauded and Pakistan should be compensated for the loss of billions of dollars per year for supporting people who ought to be supported by Afganistan and India.
@truthbetold:
Agreed. I would like to smoke whatever the author is smoking. I always love to smoke things that makes me logically inclined :)
This article is bunkum. Lacks objectivity. The question to ask is: who benifits from all this? Nobody in India is against normalizing relations with Pakistan in a graded fashion. What this means is: trade first while Pakistan gets serious about punishing people connected with Mumbai attacks. Indian TV channels are showing army jawans killed in cold blood. How were they killed? Did Pakistani army or ISI infiltrate deep inside Indian territory? Did they ambush them? These attacks did happen, the question is how and why? Pakistani Army and ISI have vested interest in keeping the pot boiling. Nawaz Sharief tried to normalize realations last time when he was P.M andABV was visiting Pak. Kargil happened. It seems Army, ISI would like to normalize on their own terms. I would urge all to read the following article from Daily Times. Very objective. I was surprised. Some Pakistanis (this author resides in US) can call a spade a spade. "The dream of India Pakistan peace" by Ishrat Saleem (http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20138\13\story13-8-2013pg3_3). India gains by having good relations with Pakistan, even as it is worried about china's intensions lately. At the end of the day, a weak civilian leadership in paksitan that does not control the foreign policy is the reason these things happen just when Pakistan's govt was gearing up to normalize relations with India.
@Ex-Hindu: This is exactly the reason for the current stalemate; our continued ignorance and reliance on so-called 'credible sources'. The adjectives you've used here to describe Indians shows the petty-mindedness that's resulted from years of indoctrination and distrust. Understandable as it maybe, is is certainly not acceptable. Your 'credible sources' for Indo-Pak history, on the basis of which you claim to be an expert on are hopefully not inspired by what your Pakistan Studies textbooks might have taught you. Whatever those sources may be, even if you claim popular media and life experiences as your sources, the sad truth remains that they're pretty ludicrous. If they've given you the sort of impression that you do harbor about Indians and, on the contrary, blind you to our own grave shortcomings and follies, then I'd rather remain illiterate than be as educated as you are ( or at least seem like alluding to).
Trust me, I am not some brand ambassador for India or its citizens. But by speaking the harsh truth, swallowing our own bitter pill and remaining level-headed, I'd like to believe that I am doing us Pakistanis a greater service than perhaps you are. Your false impressions and venomous expressions about a neighbor that's nowhere near the evil we've co self-conveniently made them out to be belittles your intelligence and shows you detached from the icy-realities of our past. Look in the mirror and then look within yourself, you'd be pleasantly surprised at the inherent 'Indian-ness' within you... you can't escape it even if you want to distort history to help you sleep better at night. Learn to acknowledge your neighbor's strengths, learn from them, work with them collaboratively and stop meddling into their lives through export of violence... you'll see far greater prosperity in not just India and Pakistan but within all of South Asia. Then again, am I speaking about concepts and truths that are too premature for your ego and mind to understand and embrace? That's one question that only you hold the answer to my friend and with that the destiny of our country's future too.
@Wellwisher: Good joke, buddy !! Those Hindi mobs are just some very pious men, right?
@Bob Hash:
Had you had spent that much time studying Indo-Pak history from credible sources than you used writing your extra-long comment, you'd have saved yourself the pains of typing this much. Only a single line of few adjectives eloquently describing the Indians nature would have been suffice to explain the current situation. Here is some help "abhorrent, despicable, loathsome, hateful, narrow-minded, deceitful, dishonest, wicked, mean, malicious, malevolent, etcetera, etcetera…”
So maturity means killing other people while hysteria means condemning this act. I request oxford to add these two definitions in the english dictionary
@Dr.Shafique: Doctor sahib, not only that, what is even more frightening is the fact that this man is a "national editor" at The Express Tribune.
While an op-ed piece allows a writer to express his opinion on a particular subject, it should be based on facts and the topicality of the subject; the article "Hysterical India, Mature Pakistan" by Naveed Hussein is a total perversion of facts. Pakistanis, brainwashed from the time they open their eyes at birth, can hardly be called "mature". You can call them sincere (because they believe the hogwash poured down their throats by mullahs and military) or resolute (in their hatred of India) but "mature"? I feel the author has not quite understood even the basics of English, let alone the subtle nuances, and I wonder how a paper like the ET can provide this author with a ready platform to spread further lies and fiction about Pakistan and its enmity with India. If this piece had not appeared in the ET, I would say that the author smoked pot and was jabbering his tongue in a conversation with his own shadow.
Whither the editors that people like Rama can post their hate comments and get away with it.
The author has created a situation where everybody including Pakistanis got provoked because of the lies. As a friend, I advise this author never write any article in future.
Indians are mature, not if I go by the comments. Swept by west sponsored glitzy campaign of shining India, the boys are forgetting the reality in the backyard. Stop hallucinating about your grandiosity and smell the proverbial coffee. You are low, way below on any worthwhile index compared to any nation worth mentioning, believe it or not even below Pakistan. Pakistan is suffering and cornered but any other country with so much going on would have caved in. A lot of it is sponsored by Indian evil agency RAW by the way, nothing new and no surprise there either. What can one expect from third rated neighbors like India? Regardless what goes on here is for us Pakistanis to reckon with. Let our Pakistani leaders however incompetent they may be figure it out. For the Indians getting excited about this article, truth hurts and it is showing. Even the Italian blood has not been able to infuse an iota of dignity or class in your leadership.
@Ali Tanoli: He is a Marxist with a jaundiced eye and sees everything in a curious colour.
I wonder if ET will again censure my contribution, but nonetheless I will re-state what we just do not want to hear. As a Pakistani, I feel saddened at the conduct of our leadership and military machinery. We have historically deployed the policy of cross-border infiltration through the armament and deployment of outlawed militias as our proxies. This policy has not only proven to be ineffective and strategically flawed but has led to two more phenomenons: 1) the creation of a homegrown monster, in the form of militias or Lashkars, that are now inevitably biting the hands that once fed and nurtured them 2) deployment of a staggering troop presence where everyday life for local inhabitants has become far more difficult and, ironically, insecure.
When will we realize that such ploys, as deployed by our security machinery, has proven to be myopic and counter-productive. If the Indian media goes berserk with outrage on any cross-border skirmish, even if their reaction is border-line wild, can we honestly blame them? Why would a country that has had wars inflicted on it by us (including our deplorable Kargil adventurism) and a series of cross-border terrorist attacks unleashed on its soil such as the 1993 Mumbai bombings, the 2001 attack on the Indian parliament or the 26/11 carnage be even willing to offer us any leniency or forgiveness? Indians are a proud, relatively united, and life-valuing people who unlike us are not letting the lives of its soldiers be wasted or lost in the annals of history. They're making every skirmish, every loss of life and every act of terror count at the world stage and making sure that Pakistan feels the full brunt of international condemnation and isolation. We are, as a result of our own doings, pariahs at the international stage. All major terror activities today, no matter where they occur, tend to find their roots and traces to our soil. So before blaming the Indians, who've hardly ever been the instigators, we need to introspect and get our own house in order. Where is Pakistan's counter-terror strategy? Even more importantly, where is Pakistan's will and resolve to fight this menace without selective filters? Can this policy be independently crafted by the political class? Are other key stakeholders, like the security establishment, willing to honestly commit itself to a withdrawal of proxies?
India, as I see it, has nothing to lose here. We as, Pakistanis, have far more to gain. Our focus needs to be on cross-border trade, cultural exchanges, scientific research collaborations, academic exchanges, religious tourism, joint-counter terrorism exercises, joint medical breakthroughs, liberal-visa regimes, common currencies, fluid borders, interfaith understanding and harmony and joint ventures in film-making, fine arts, music and performing arts. Instead of gaining so much from each other through a symbiotic and peaceful existence, we have stoked violence and forced our neighbor to not just distance itself from us but to respond with equal venom and condemnation. This tit-for-tat exchange will continue unless we do not reconcile with our shady past as a nation and re-calibrate our strategy moving forward ensuring that all branches of the State are on-board with our resurrection. This is not to completely absolve certain sections of the Indian citizenry off their hard-line, almost war-mongering, reactions but can we honestly blame them in entirety? We need to put ourselves in their shoes and understand the compulsions behind their anger. Yes, some of it is systemic and grossly disproportionate and, yes, some of that hate speech will always remain no matter what happens but then don't we also have our Zaid Hamids who leave us equally ashamed with their nonsensical rants? Also, in my suggestion to turn-around ourselves, I do not suggest fully absolving the Border Security Forces of India from many of its obligations either including high-handedness and abuses of power. Nothing justifies such behavior, but then have we tried to evaluate the conditions in which they and our own soldiers have operated under? Have we pondered over the heaps of bodies of their colleagues that they've picked up in the process. Also, just to temper our anger with ground realities, the behavior of our own men in khakis in Balochistan leaves a lot to be desired in terms of human rights protection.
Lastly, the sooner we as Pakistani Muslims, begin to realize our commonalities with India and its people the easier this transition will become for us. I have no hesitation in claiming that I am as much a son of Asoka as I am of Ghaznavi. Until and unless we come out of our supposed ethnic supremacy and realize that we are not blood-lined with Arabs or the Turks or the Greeks and are sweat-to-blood Indian in our composition the more we'll be at ease and peace with ourselves. What's there to be ashamed of? If anything, the Indus/Gandhara civilization of the the Indian sub-continent is one of the most rich, pluralistic and sophisticated ones to have embraced mankind, so lets be proud of our origins. This will help us see Indians as less like Martians ready to slit-us-apart and more like us; possessing similar strengths, weaknesses, ambitions and values as us. Until we do not make an effort to understand that, minus our religious inclinations, we eat, wear, wed, play, poop, lie and think in identical ways we will never truly appreciate and embrace our shared similarities. So a commitment to ending our acts of unwarranted mischief and proxy wars on foreign soil, a foreign policy based on win-win partnerships and collaborations and a re-visitation of our actual history, shared ethnicity and striking similarities through a concerted public education drive via schools and media houses will ultimately steer us back into the comity of civilized and self-respecting 'mature' nations; a comity where we currently do not exist. This pathetic and dangerous existence can be transformed but for that lets start being honest with ourselves. And, as starters, lets put an end to such mindless and insensitive articles as the one that got me writing here in the first place.
The question that needs to be asked by Indian readers is who will benefit more from a fourth war with Pakistan at this stage: BJP or Congress? Saleem Safi said (in jest) on a talk show that a fourth war might help clarify matters. But seriously, whipping up hysterics can be risky. A line needs to be drawn between Bollywood fiction and statecraft. India and US claim to be world's great democracies. Both share the phenomenon of speaking with a single voice. There are no dissenting voices. Obama called for a solution to Kashmir before becoming president. Once in White House, he chose to sweep Kashmir under the carpet. Does power give you the license to bulldoze your way? Why should Pakistan make proposals for talks when the Indian side finds it inconvenient because of the approaching election. Why meet, why talk when the main opposition party in India wants to use it as a tool to hammer the government in power. Pakistan is the capital of naivete.
@author spot on love to see crying indians
Comments from users on this blog are IRONIC at best. One would expect some patience from 'mature' public
This is analysing the issue in pure black and white parameters which may not be all that appropriate. The reaction of India is but natural but referring to it as a hysteria is being not very fair with regard to ones analysis. The subject needs to be handled with care, caution and diplomatic maturity which is required from both sides of the border. The hawks will try to create a hype out of this incident who should not be given much weightage.
Do Indians not have jobs? Way to troll Pakistani websites. If you guys are what you claim to be, let's have a war and see where we stand afterwards. One thing is for sure, it will contain the population on both sides a little. India will benefit more from the war, that is for sure. But seriously, I am fed up with your touting, bring it on.
Mature people don't fight like kids(this is for both sides)
Indians can only tear their clothes and scream in hysteria...India cannot start war against Pakistan because both nations have nuclear weapons.
I think the writer has raised some valid points while here in AJK people believe that India is not sincere to normalize its relations with Pakistan this is the cause that Indian troops have been violating the cease fire on Line of Control for the last couple of weeks. It is time for United Nations Military Observers Group for India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP) who are present in the area should visit the LoC and submit a comprehensive report about the violation of LoC either it has been done by Pakistan Army or Indian Army and so far the people in Baatle, Nikyal and Chirikot of Azad Kashmir are in position to say that India has attacked their homes and Indian Army violated the LoC while attacking the civil population of Azad Kashmir . Moreover, war is not the solution of any problem if Indians are sincere they should have to normalize their relations with Islamabad to get access in Kabul via Wagah unfortunately military establishment of India is not willing to do so after all they have to enjoy the life under such war like circumstances from Jammu to Srinagar and Ladkah. When Pakistan settles all its issues and disputes with India then there would be no reason for such a huge Indian army presence which is sucking the resources of the whole India and pushing its 50 per cent population towards poverty. Before the USA troops withdrawal from Afghanistan, New Delhi should offer the sincere hand of friendship to Islamabad to get more role in Kabul and if Indians fail to win the support of Pakistan nobody would guarantee the Indians peaceful presence in Afghanistan after 2014.
Looks people of both countries are immature. Anyone can easily play with us like politicians, religious leaders etc. We do not think and examine the matters ourselves instead we get influenced by the so called leaders and nowadays uncontrolled media too who manipulate the issues and information for there political and commercial benefits. We are always ready to put the life of almost 150 million people on stake against the hideous acts of some. Lack of pure investigation and punishment for crimes caused more crimes. It happens at national level and international too. Whoever kills anybody is a punishable act. The killing of 5 Indian soldiers is an event we must mourn on. We must have a joint investigation and people who are liable for this act must be prosecuted as they just have not killed 5 soldiers but they have ignited the tensions between two countries which could cause many more deaths and took us way back in our efforts to come closer to each other. I suggest the general public and media of both countries must show maturity need not to create unnecessary hype like burning the Pakistani flag and stopping the dosti buss are childish acts which must be condemned.
pakistan=hypocrite a pakistani : i hate india... i hate everything indian... the same pakistani : hey when's "chennai express" releasing...man can't wait! ... LOL :) :)
@Gujesh: no its the outcome of your war hysteria... & then you say we should stop meddling into your affairs... is it your Innocence or stupidity that you say this??
Bangladesh is the outcome of Pakistan's maturity. Looking at Baluchistan, one can conclude that in last forty years, Pakistan has become more mature.
L O L
@Beghairat aurat: Isn't the author just stressing on the current string of events?? No denying of the wrongdoings/ mistakes that we have done, but then who doesn't do those?? may be we did a lot more than others thats why are in lots of difficulties... but that doesn't mean Indian government, Indian agencies or the Indian military are free of any guilt... and are as innocent as there can be any. Isn't Afghanistan being used to get the infiltration done in Pakistan... especially in Balochistan by your establishment??
@gp65: Jat: The 1:10 ratio does not apply in their fight with TTP. So you need to rework your math
Sorry can't do better than this, after all am just an immature, hysterical Indian.
@Babloo: "...when Indian army cross LoC"!!...hahahahaha. Its good to see that you Indians have some sense of humour, if not anything else.
as expected indians cant even stand text written in modest favour of pakistan..n this makes every bit of it true. subcontinent is unfortunate to have such narrow minded population.
To those who doubt Pakistans Maturity ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Proof; Kargil. QED.
@ Ali:
At least the response from India(ns) is on pen and paper, In Pakistan, people tend to burn at stakes those holding opposing views (Cases in perspective: the Minorities).
The writer's got it spot on! "Mature" and "responsible"- that's what Pakistan has always been, even when they're sheltering Osama and Dawoodbhai and Maulana Masood Azhar, while lying through their teeth. Not to forget how the philanthropist Hafiz Saeed leads Eid processions and prayers in Lahore. I'd say that's some real "mature" stuff from you, brother. All hail Pakistan, the land of the pure and the abode of the tolerant!
Reaction from across the border on this article kind of verifies EVERYTHING the author was trying to say "Hysterical". Article is absolutely spot on, this is nothing more than election game as hatred for Pak sells in Ind and hence the reaction.
I definitely concur with "Saeed M.A".
Pakistan's sense of self righteousness is blown out of proportion.
@Wellwisher: Well just go and see what filth you non extremists indians have been spewing against pakistan, pakistanis, Muslims and Islam at the wink of everything. There you would not let a Pakistani post a comment and would heap garbage comments against us and here yo9u are shamelessly posting comments against us
For people with no self respect cowardice is called "maturity", We are so much "mature" that as the prime minister, president and the whole hindutani nation spew most disgusting of war venom against us and our country our prime minister nawaz sharif has not even bothered to utter a single word in favour of the country he is supposed to be leading, he has not even said a word for the soldiers and people resising in border areas and facing hindustani aggression every day
Samir : It is not hatred by Indians of Pakistanis,. It is hatred on such blatant truth distorting articles you will find INdians frowning upon. If India can be termed as immature, what do u term Pakistan which spreads terror, houses OBL and denies it etc etc. Rogue nation ?. Such nations can never improve if u glorify yourself and blame it on others. Pl do us a favour, Dont talk to us. Dont send any actor into our territory, dont spread your religion of terror in India. Just turn your face to the west and be happy and I assure you that we will welcome that and we will "Look east:".
@Ali Tanoli: The Indian govt gives an order and the army follows it whether they like it or not.Whereas in Pakistan the govt first ponders whether the army will accept their orders.Can the civilian govt ask the army to take on the terrorists.If the military say no then the civilian govt has to accept it.Your Govt cannot even dismiss the army Chief if they wanted.Who makes your defense budget, the civil administration or the military.The reality is that the civilian govt is subservient to the military
@Dr Dang: @Yogi: Ofcourse it is!! The truth is hard to swallow when you're choking on your pride.
Man, thats amazing... all Indians are jumping like school kids on being called hysterical... seriously doubt if any of them gets a chance to read Times of India, Hindustan Times etc to realize the fact.
The fact of the matter is that both Indian media & their political elite is playing for the gallery and is looking to cash in the anti Pak sentiments of their masses. Mr. AK Antony, their defense minister, says Pak armed forces were not involved in the incident rather there were terrorist dressed up in Pak army uniform who carried out the killings. Mr. S Khurshid, their Foreign Minister confirms that this is the input that they have got from their army.... the next day Mr. Antony retracts from his statement bluntly looking at the public sentiments and opposition pressure.
So if Pakistan isn't mature in any ways, as per the comments of the Indians there, shall we call the Indians mature after all that??
India = Hypocrisy
Of all the words that can be used to describe Pakistan - Mature is the last.
The pot is calling the kettle black! Only Pakistanis believe their own propaganda and sense of superiority over "others". No one else does. No one.
Love to see indian trolls over here. So much hatred.. makes me wonder why do we even attempt to talk anyway.
ETBLOGS1987
ET mods- I have tried to present acts on this issue several times. Everything I say relates to the topic and is polite. Why do you continue to filter it?
@faraz:
You are a voice of sanity and so I wold like to share the ground reality in India which of course differs from what your media tells you. Yes I am sure you see Indian channels also but you interpret them through analytical filters provided by Pakistani media.
I have not heard even the most right wing political leader in India utter the word war. Also we must distinguish between peace and peace talks. When peace asks have failed o yield a peace dividend to India I is understand that it is losing constituency in India. Review what happened:after - Vajpayee's visit including Minar- ePakistan (Kargill), - Vajpayee overlooking it and inviting Musharraf to Agra in 2001 (Dec 2001 parliament attack), - a near agreement on 4 point plan proposed by Musharraf (26/11) , - trade and visa liberalization agreements where it was time for Pakistan o implement its part ( beheading of soldier at LoC), - India accepted NS proposal for the 2 PMs to meet in NYC ( killing of 5 soldiers at LoC)
Unlike the Pakistani press which makes all kinds of fake accusations such as India funds TTP, India is stealing our water, India is causing floods in Pakistan etc., all accusations by Indian media are based on facts. Also unlike what the Congress initially tried to position this and earlier LoC event, it is not BJP playing politics. It is Indian public responding to Congress pusillanimity. This can be observed also in how the issue with the 2 Italian sailors played out as also the Chinese ingress eqrlir this May. In each case Congress tries o minimize the issue but has to respond to Pulic pressure and take a stronger stand.
In no prior election has Pakistan been an issue though the broader issue of terrorism was important in 2009 with 2008 still raw. Yet it was Congress led UPA that won not BJP led NDA. Also if the Pakistani establishment did not constantly pinprick, No one wold be discussing Pakistan. The issue would squarely be about Congress' poor governance and corruption vs. Modi's secularism that is seen as suspect by some. It is a purely Rahul vs. Modi thing with no role for Pakistan.
Even today all that even the most right wing politicians are asking for is disengagement. No one has uttered the word war. Also the COAS statement that is described as irresponsible simply says that Indian soldiers have been iven a free hand to RESPOND to events on LoC.
As such discontinuing a peace talk that has failed o yield any peace dividend to India has no impact on Indi's poor though of course war would greatly derail progress and everyone in India knows that.
india has a lot of extremists. i just saw it on the news. people on the streets. y arent pakis on the streets becuz they dont want war. answer this question. do u really think pakistan would start a war when their r economy is its worst. its obvious india r trying to start a war. i d be the first to admit. that india would beat us in a war. we dont want war. india's media is the shitest thing on earth.
I want some of that stuff the author has been smoking before he wrote this article.
"No doubt, India is a big country. But this doesn’t mean it can coerce Pakistan into some kind of submission."
India does not have to do anything to "coerce" Pakistan into submission. Pakistan will do that to itself by its anti-India confrontational stance and the obsession with Kashmir. All India has to do is watch Pakistan continue to shoot itself in its attempt punch above its weight class.
" In international diplomacy, sovereign states maintain relations on parity basis."
So, Pakistan has been dealing with China and the US on a "parity basis"!! Whatever that means!
The Indian side is not accustomed to the daily killings/ bomb blasts in the country . Therefore killings of five soldiers led to a vehement protest . This protest is also with the thought that how can Pakistan which is a dwarf comparing to India in every respect can go unpunished ? It hurts the ego too. Moreover political parties will definitely flare it up to gain the mileage (eyeing on the ensuing election). So far maturity is concerned the loss of lives are on the Indian side so naturally so the anger will be on the Indian side. Pakistan cries vehemently and displays rallies on the Rohingya Muslims being driven out / killed . you do not call it Hysteria of the Pakistan on an incident which did not take place in your country. Blaming others ( without introspection) is the passion as it helps you to get rid of the guilt ( if present anywhere )
If this killing is not done by the Pak army, then India should look at other options like arming the Baluchistan fighter to claim atleast 50 Pak soliders. Pakistan now understand the pain of terrorism , But it is not acting on it. Unless and otherwise it pays heavily , it will not change. Yes, We need 10 Pak army head for Indian solider.
@ModiFied: "Fact of the matter is that fighting inside Pakistan and on Afghan front is not a lucrative business for Pak army as no big ticket arms purchases are involved." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Very astute observation.The Pakistani Estabilishment is a Business Organisation in the garb of a Defense activity. Fighting inside Pakistan is a loss making activity and therefore allotted to the Rangers and Police.
Faraz,
Addressing problems of poverty and underdevelopment does not mean that you allow people from neighboring countries to ambush and kill your soldiers, bomb your cities, or promote terrorism. All of this has no connection to honor. It has to do with trying to create a safe and secure society where defense of life and property is taken seriously., It is the country that is still fighting over the alleged failure of a chief mister to prevent riots decades ago, destruction of a single mosque from even before that and so on. There is pride as well, but it is the pride of people trying to make a better, safer society for all. Such a society is worth defending.
@ Faraz: "but I am saddened to admit that Indian middle class is as conservative and reactionary as that of Pakistan"
You are right Faraz. main reason for this is that we are basically from the same stock. Except religion, there is no difference at all. We like and hate almost same things. there is saying; " there is nothing better than the friendship of two brothers and also nothing can be worst than the enmity of two brothers". Unfortunately we have chosen the later option. Hindus and Muslims were living together reasonably peacefully for 100s of years. Poison of two nation theory was injected and worst kind of hatred and enmity was imposed on the people. Things can certainly be corrected if we are willing to go back and accept our mistake genuinely. Looking at everything as black and white through narrow interpretation of Islam is not going to help. We are as much proud of our 5000 years of history and culture as Muslims are of theirs. Like you want to be respected, we too desire the same. There is no way we will accept any Muslim who talks of Ghazwa-E-Hind or conquering Hindu India and imposing Islamic laws. How come Hindu India has no problem with other Islamic countries like Iran, Afghanistan and Indonesia etc. ? How come we have problems only with Islamic Republic of Pakistan?
I don't know if this will be published here but still I will write. I regularly watch most of the talk shows on various Pakistani tv channels, almost all of your anchors or experts spread venom and lies about India. Few examples like Hindu banias , Muslims had Hindus as slaves for many hundreds of years, Muslims in subcontinent are very supreme race coming from Arab or Turkish lineage, Muslims will once again rule India, one Muslim equals 10 Indians . This ranting about India is regular feature and it shows Pakistanis have some kind of complex about India. Btw I'm not Hindu but a Sikh, telling just to give Pakistanis idea that besides land of Hindus, India have various other communities living peacefully with Hindus. I don't think anybody in India is interested in taking back Pakistan, for us matter is closed forever, but at the same time no Indian is interested in loosing any Indian land to Pakistan be it Kashmir or something else. One more thing , in today's age nuclear weapons are just showpiece, war is much more conventional than it ever was. Neither India nor Pakistan would be able to use nuclear weapons without risking massive retaliation from other countries of world. Any country using first nuclear weapon would be wiped out from map within 1 hr. So, there is only one alternative, peace and only peace . Stop dreaming about policy of thousands cuts, save Pakistan from internal chaos and mayhem .
@Faraz You flatter yourself comparing yourself with an European country !!!! :-))
None of the European countries have Pakistan as a neighbor.
You call Indian middle class "reactionary". Which European country has a neighbor whose sole existence is to do war mongering and terrorism.
Your post proves the point the existence of a "moderate" Pakistani is a myth and a lie.
As Nawazsahab is approaching India with a warm smile on his face and with doves, symbols of peace, in his hands, Kayani & his ISI crooks are worried because peace berween India and Pakistan would surely mean gross devaluation of importance of the "sole saviours" of the Land of the Pure! Musharraf's Kargil misadventure, 26/11 Mumbai Massacre or beheading of Indian soldiers were all created by Pakistani Armed Forces to keep safe their fat-salaried jobs with almost no responsibilities. As Nawazsahab tries harder and harder for peace, more and more mischiefs will be perpetuated by Pak Army. It should be remembered that mischief-maker never needs to lose his 'cool' and so looks MATURE! Unfortunately, Indian politicians and political parties still don't see through these mischiefs and the purpose behind them and react in the most predictable manner! I can see Pakistani Khakis sporting victorious smiles on their naughty faces, exchanging 'high-fives'! I feel India should tell Nawazsahab, "We are all for peace and will neglect these mischiefs. Let us proceed to become closer friendly neighbours. Once your COAS understands that his mischiefs are not working, the "bloody" civilians would have won and smiles on the Khaki faces would vanish and these silly military men would appear grossly IMMATURE"!
@faraz: By and large, I agree with your assertion. Though I think one can't discount the deliberate mischief played by some chaps from your end. Even before LoC incident, we had this suicide attack on Indian mission in Jalalabad.
@Author: What a childish article. I don't mean to be too harsh but you sorely disappointed. Next time, you plan to write something for ET, I urge you to keep in mind two major points:
People like respected sir Hoodbhoy write for ET and have raised the bar very high for everyone else. While I understand not everybody can match the high standards set forth by the Professor, one will do well to try and maintain the same quality standards. A lot of readers from both sides of the border visit ET and look up to the content. ET provides a platform for people to exchange views and see the other side of the fence. Its all about people-to-people contact, isn't it.Lastly, in case you missed, I had nothing to say about the article as the content of the article was not worth commenting on. Good luck on your next attempt.
Sincerely.
I see majority of these paid Indian trolls at work, what I don't understand is that I don't have enough time to be scanning Indian papers let alone Pakistani papers but they are here in droves. This is their paid job spewing venom at Pakistan, I say we should just ignore them and let them stew in their own hatred toward the Pakistanis. When would they realize that it is not 1971 and if they commit any aggression then the nation of Pakistan will be supporting it's armed forces to the max, mark my words for it. Pakistan should also start looking into this transit facilities granted to Afghanistan and make sure that India is not using it for transporting their cheap goods onward to the Central Asia. Let them find their own way via sea and air but not Pakistan's territory.
Naveed Hussain - Have you considered writing for The Onion?
"No doubt, India is a big country. But this doesn’t mean it can coerce Pakistan into some kind of submission. In international diplomacy, sovereign states maintain relations on parity basis". I could have not said it better and why do Indians think that mutual dialog is only for Pakistan's benefit. The fact is that we have been talking and talking for the last 65 years and it seems to me that Indians has never accepted the bifurcation of India and they still dream of AKUND HINDUSTAN. Why don't they realize that this Sabre rattling is not going to scare any one and it will only show their mentality of hegemony over their neighbors. Indians( trolls) should show me one neighbor of theirs with which they have cordial relation, for example, the neighbors like US, Canada and Mexico do. They are up to no good even in Afghanistan and we know it.
Well said, Sir. This is the same story every time, at least for the last three decades. Hysterical India, making unreasonable demands, blaming Pakistan unnecessarily, like a bully, and Pakistan offering a mature response every time.
what a joking, distasteful, disillusional article.. .as a pakistani, I feel ahsamed reading such immature article with no basis or truth.. Sir, we have a habit of punching above our limit, and then getting booted to the ground reality in every sphere.. and we never learn from our mistakes or look inwards.. your article is just another reflection. Sorry to indians from a paki.
Author should listen to Pakistani media where Gazwae-Hind proponent Zahil Hamid, Ahmad Qureshi,Air Marshal(retd) Shahid Latiff type person are blaring at the top of their voice denigrating India. Mature voices are on Indian side also read the articles in "The Hindu" newspaper.
ETBLOGS1987
Let us review the actions of hysterical India and mature Pakistan
1) Indian PM Vajpayee goes to Minar-e-Pakistan and says that India wants to solve all problems. Pakistan does Kargill. Lies that it was mujahideen to its own people and the world. The truth is revealed anyway.
2) Indian PM Vajpayee, overlooks Musharraf's perfidy and invites him to Agra for peace talks, July 2001. In December 2001, Pakistan's strategic assets attack Indian parliament
3) India reciprocates positively to Musharraf's 4 points but before Musharraf can sign he has to leave office. Pakistanis do 26/11. While it is claimed that it was done by non-state actors, Pakistani security forces provide security to its master planner. Claim Hafiz Saeed is innocent but make no attempt to find who else is the planner if not Hafiz Saeed.
4) India waives its objection to Pakistani specific trade benefits by EU and agreement is Pakistan will give India MFN status (which it is anyway required to give in compliance with WTO). India does its part. When it is time to do its part, it initially delays. When no more delays are tenable, an Indian soldier is beheaded putting talks at a hold.
5) India liberalises visa for Pakistanis over 65 as agreed but Pakistan fails to reciprocate.
6) India accepts Nawaz Sharif's suggestion to restart talks and for MMS and NS to meet in Nw York, 5 Indian soldiers are killed on LoC.
Oh and by the way, what are the issues that Indian media makes a big deal about? 1) No accountaility for 26/11 2) Beheading of soldier 3) Kiling of 5 soldiers on LoC
All factual.
What are things that Pakistan media and politicians make a big deal about? 1) India is stealing our water http://tribune.com.pk/story/588840/water-warriors/#comment-1630949 2) TTP (with whom almost ALL leading political parties in Pakistan want to reach a peace accord) is an Indian agent. 3) The fact that an Indian citizen was hanged to death after due process of law and being convicted for parliament attack 4) Shah Rukh Khan is not safe in India
Most of this stuff is not factual and as for the hanging - it is none of Pakistan's business when and Indian citizen is convicted for a terrorist attack and hanged. IF Pakistan hanged some of its terrorists , it would not be in the situation it currently is.
In the meantime, in the country formed in the name of Islam, a Shia mosque was attacked during Eid Namaz and Ahmadis (who were certainly considered Muslim enough when their vote was needed in 1947) in Rawalpindi were not allowed to offer Eid Namaz at a mosque.
Yep. India hysterical. Pakistan mature.
I want some of that stuff the author has been smoking before he wrote this article.
"No doubt, India is a big country. But this doesn’t mean it can coerce Pakistan into some kind of submission."
India does not have to do anything to "coerce" Pakistan into submission. Pakistan will do that to itself by its anti-India confrontational stance and the obsession with Kashmir. All India has to do is watch Pakistan continue to shoot itself in its attempt punch above its weight class.
" In international diplomacy, sovereign states maintain relations on parity basis."
So, Pakistan has been dealing with China and the US on a "parity basis"!! Whatever that means!
Foaming and frothing at the mouth, seems like our Indian commentators are having an epileptic fit.
I have always desired peace with India (I hold Pakistan responsible for all 4 wars and I don't even believe in two nation theory) but I am saddened to admit that Indian middle class is as conservative and reactionary as that of Pakistan. Indian media and foreign and defense policy elite is much more hawkish. Elites and urban middle class, whose opinion in foreign policy matters, need ages to reach the kind of maturity that Europeans did where previous enemy states ended all disputes to reap full benefits of globalization. Like here in Pakistan, Indian urban classes are unconcerned with the massive poverty and poor human development but gloat over high military expenditure knowing that there won’t be any conventional war just to boast their little egos. Unlike Europe where government policies and public opinion undertook a radical change after mass slaughter of world war 2, India or Pakistan will never go to war again, never experience the violence and personal loss that accompanies war and continue to live in their imagined worldview where response to petty LoC clashes are seen as a matter of national honor.
@jat, X10, that is what Yahya Khan said to Kissinger in March 1971. You must learn to learn from history.
@My all indian friends, best advise is to read Sanjay kumar bloge to open your eyes and bright picture of india democracy and its mature pun.
Very mature.. I saw ARY showing zaid hamid calling for killing all hindus in afganistans and pakistan..
Maybe India is afraid of the world not just Pakistan. Why the arms race and home brewed aircraft carriers when millions are still poor in India? It is trying to prove a point. These policies are disaster and counter productive to peace in this region.
@Babloo
My thought exactly, after reading this self-serving homilies.
@Gratgy: The actual strength of Pakistan Army is 6,00,000 x 10 = 60,00,000
Therefore even if 2/3 of its Army is successfully involved in "fighting" terrorism, they still have a force equivalent of 20,00,000 to take on the Indian Army and deal with it comprehensively.
It is only because of their peaceful leanings, (which come from their schoolbooks, the loudspeakers of their places of worship and their mature and 'professional' media) that they are still holding back.
How can mature country be ranked 12th among world failed states ?? Author should been serious before putting such a headline.
When ever one tried hard something happened?????? is there elements in indian army who don't want to solve this problem??? do we ever get mature enough to decide our future and don't call the white skin Ali Babas..........
"Realistically speaking, the Pakistani military is already stretched too thin. "
Did not get this. Where are they fighting and winning? TTP is having a free run and striking at will and Pakistani army seen no where. Fact of the matter is that fighting inside Pakistan and on Afghan front is not a lucrative business for Pak army as no big ticket arms purchases are involved. Pakistani army has to keep eastern border boiling to remain in business. Rest assured, Pak army won't like to loose this lucrative business. India might appear hysterical to Pakistanis who have lost their will to fight terrorists and withdrawn into cocoons. No doubt India goes hysterical as we take every incident very seriously. Blood of five Indian soldiers can not be written off simply to claim the tag of maturity of someone in Pakistan.
Mature Pakistan waits for another attack by TTP in D.I. Khan after the attack on Bannu Jail, and that too after warning by intelligence agencies. For Indians 5 casualties are too many to ignore. Hysteria was the result of inadequate political and military response. Should India let its soldiers die and wait for another attack?
@SM: exactly....!!!
Sir with due respect, this is the your same media who were accusing indian media for spreading false propaganda against pakistan durin 26/11.....later ur own media and govt admitted pakistani role in that episode.ur so called mature media denied any army role in kargil war in 1999 but later ur own generals admitted the truth. Have ur media bother to analyse how many terrorist camps being operated inside ur azad kashmir and jihadis r being pushed inside indian kashmir with the help of ur army. In last 1-2 month indian force killed more than 13 dreaded terrorist who were trying to infiltrate inside india...ofcourse with support from pak forces. Every body know pak army is no control of civilian govt. Ur govt or ur media might be behaving mature but still ur army is killing indian armt personel by crossing loc.....so what is the use of ur so called maturity....
@author.. yes.. you are absolutely correct.. Indians are not matured enough as they lacks experience of a daily dose of violence..which is part n parcel of day to day life of pakistanis...
What a childish article. LOL
Soldiers manning border in peace time are dead -- is that Indian media fabrication. Just like daud and OBL were not in Pak , just like kargil was mujahideen not Pak soldiers. Or just like Kasab was ram Singh. Wake up. U r burning ur own cities and ppl and also troubling ppl on the other side of border. It won't be smooth for both sides like 1971. I just hate the race and how thick skinned shameless ppl live either side of border. Ask ur politicians to fix ur electricity economy and daily blasts in ur country .. Taliban will make Pak also Afghanistan. Then u won't have freedom to write opinion like this .. No TV no media only more guns on street and girls out of school. Stop patting ur govt. back .. Fix them like we are trying to fix. If Indian govt wanted to go into war , they would have by now , or maybe they wanna surprise u. Either way , their hasn't been jingoistic statements from govt. so set ur house in order first
To the writer, what have you been smoking? Can't you see whenever there is a talk of friendship a Kargil, behadings, and killings start? The establishment who controls our India and US policy would never allow us to see the light of democracy and progress on the other side of the border. They would never allow Pakistanis to see the advance Punjab with much higher crop yields on the other side of the border. If there is peace and friendship what would be use of two nation theory, especially after the liberation of E. Paksitan? What would then be the excuse of having such a huge army with so many perks?
Look !! who is talking ...
we all know who controls pakistan and it's foreign policy...
To divert the attention from a complete failure at the western front they are creating troubles at eastern front....
One hand juggling a begging bowl with an AK 47, and the other patting itself on the back - truly claims of maturity and dignity sit well with Pakistan.
*Realistically speaking, the Pakistani military is already stretched too thin. * When in the last 60 years has Pakistani army acted realistically. Four times they attacked a country several times its own size and lost each time. Realistic is not a word in the Pakistani dictionary
Yes, when Indian army cross LoC and does what Pakistan did, we will see how mature is Pakistan.
u can say pakistan is mature,,,but u cannot say india is hysterical,,,,if india is really hysterical and war mongering nation,,,only god knows the situation in south east asia and ur pakistan!!!!stop making derogatory statements!!!,,patience has limits,,,situations along the LOC,,makes even common peace loving citizens making emotional and seeking revenge!!!
Naveed Saheb, I am an Indian with almost equal size of Muslim population, as against your country with negligent minority and everyday facing persecutions; I expected a better caption from a person of your standing. Just feel sorry, does anyone doubt then, "What is the hysteria about"? Very regretable...
Hahahahaha. Mature ?
Before you start patting yourselves on your backs it would do well to examine whether anyone else in the world believes a word of what you say. When your leaders, bureaucrats, diplomats, generals and everyone else are assumed to be lying through their teeth the moment they express an opinion, it is facile to call yourselves mature. Indifferent - yes, insolent - that too, uncaring - most certainly; but mature - tell that to the Marines.
Indian media fabricates what Indians are willing to buy. Its the Indian people that need to get mature. Pakistanis have learnt a lot of lessons from hate-mongering. Things will change when Indians refine their priorities.
ETBLOGS1987
ET Mods - pls. publish - everything here is factual.
If trust deficit has not been erased in 65 years it is because of all the wars that Pakistan started (your own air marshal Asghar Khan admits that all IndoPak wars were started by Pakistan), for over a decade Pakistan had an official policy of sending jihadis to India (a policy it denied for a long time but now admits, Pakistan claimed that Kargill was done by mujahidins but it is now admitted that it was Pakistani army that was responsible for KArgill. The wars, the jihadis and the lies - those are the reasons for the trust deficit.
If Indian politicians , media and people are upset right now, it is based on facts : - 5 of our soldiers were killed on LoC by Pakistan - there has been a 80% increase in LoC violations this year by Pakistan - there has been no action in last 5 years to identify and hold masterminds of 26/11 responsible - Dawood Ibrahim who was responsible for hundreds of deaths during serial bombings in Mumbai lives under protection of Pakistan's own security forces http://www.firstpost.com/india/will-india-ever-mount-an-operation-to-capture-dawood-ibrahim-993529.html
Indian politicians or media do NOT interfere in matters within Pakistan including the rape and forcible conversion of young Hindu girls.
Pakistani media on the other hand plays up lies about India stealing its water http://tribune.com.pk/story/588840/water-warriors/, about 26/11 being an inside job and so on.
Pakistan's senior politicians interfere in India's internal matters e.g. supposed security of Shah Rukh Khan. Pakistan parliament passes a resolution in support of an Indian citizen convicted after due process of law of planning an attack on Indian parliament, Punjab budget allocates millions of rupees to JuD whose activities are well known in India.
Indians give a verbal response to Pakistani actions on the ground even as Pakistani politicians are covering up their military's aggressive actions through words of peace which are the exact opposite of actions by Pak military and its startegic assets.
The issue is not about maturity or hysteria. The issue is about vested interests. It is quite clear who has a vested interest in keeping the pot stirred anytime there is likelihood for progress on India Pakistan talks.
I can't do anything but laugh after reading this article. Pakistan is neither mature nation nor India has extremists.
What an Editorial!! "Pakistan’s response to the Indian belligerence was mature and responsible" - He he, is this paki(papi)stan version of www.fakingnews.com ?