Now, it seems we prepare to go lower. The Taliban have made an ‘offer’ for negotiations and also proposed the name of guarantors acceptable to them. The audacity is breathtaking. Reflect on this a moment, for them to not only make an “offer”; an offer with very precise pre-conditions. This comes after openly admitting, rather boastfully of killing thousands of our innocent men, women and children. After beheading our brave soldiers and making snuff films, after taking responsibility for attacks on hospitals, schools and shrines. So soon, after they murdered one of our bravest statesmen, Shaheed Bashir Bilour. It should be an easy call; we treat an ‘offer’ like this with contempt and say you do not get to turn it on and off at will. Perhaps, we may even settle for a milder “no, thank you, we will rather have justice”. Yet, instead we have mass, uncritical deference. It is a very unflattering endorsement (if not an indictment) of the three guarantors named; namely Mian Nawaz Sharif, Maulana Fazlur Rahman and Syed Munawar Hasan. We do not have exaggerated expectations from the two holy men. Mian Sahib on the other hand has played a positive role of late and showed great statesmanship; in reaffirming his commitment to democracy. Yet, it seems once you get within striking distance of being ‘Ameer-ul-Momineen’, you never really go back. His reasons for refusing to be a guarantor are that he does not consider this federal government “credible” enough. Regardless of what one’s view of this government is, to mention the credibility of an elected government with that of self-confessed terrorists in the same breath is ridiculous. Mr Imran Khan rightly receives a fair bit of criticism for his confusion on the matter and in the interest of single standards; there is no reason why Mian Sahib should be spared these unpleasant questions.
To speak of solidarity with Malala and Shaheed Bilour and at the same time encouraging surrender to the assailants is trying to have it both ways. These are mutually destructive positions. No one can agree with both who shoot at a child for “promoting secularism” and the child; at least not while being honest. The only possibly ‘well meaning’ argument for ‘talks’ with the TTP is otherwise when and how does this end? We do not know when, although we do know how; when one side conclusively wins. The argument against any ‘talks/dialogue’ is that their demands are impossible to comply with. If such an attempt is to be made, it would entail a complete and abject abandonment of all our core principles and hence would make the term ‘dialogue’ horribly inaccurate and insincere. The appropriate term then would be ‘surrender’. The first step for those who wish to advocate this route will have to be that they are first honest enough to call it by the right name. Secondly, they have to admit that they find nothing in our society, culture or system that they feel is worth saving.
There are, of course, other standard arguments for this surrender, which it seems we are condemned to periodically revisit. To take only two, firstly the TTP is entirely CIA/Raw etc. agents, which is the JI and affiliates position. Surely, being the patriots that they are they would not encourage the federal government to enter into a submissive agreement with foreign intelligence agencies. On the opposite end of the ideological spectrum there is that it is a blowback to excesses of imperialism. Imperialism admittedly is a question that we face, but it is disingenuous to draw a causal link in this case. It is also useful for comrades to return to dialectics once in a while or at least definitions. The Taliban impose ‘serfdom’; they yearn for ‘Imperialism’ in the most tautological and literal sense. It is exhausting to make the other obvious points that they use the ‘negotiation bait’ and our confusion to consolidate and regroup etc.
Everyone in Pakistan is a stakeholder in this argument, yet none more so than the ANP. The ANP has been in the frontlines and the most directly attacked in recent times, and to their credit have shown great courage and resilience. Hence, Mian Iftikhar Hussain and Haji Ghulam Bilour looking at the ‘offer’ as a positive development present a stiffer challenge. It reflects grimly on our state; the ANP cannot fight this alone. The state cannot afford to abandon the ANP. These terrorists have to be fought and the full might of the state summoned. The resolve by the state, primarily the military leadership has to be unambiguous. The cost of confusion is thousands of our brave soldiers martyred in this struggle. Let us hope that the military, and the political forces realise that it is not only impossible to negotiate; it is also indecent.
Published in The Express Tribune, February 10th, 2013.
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Pakistan has lost so many warriors in battling the Talibans, it is about time that they ask the Indian military for help. in eradicating these sepratist groups in the Pashtun land and Bluchistan region. after all Indian military has experience with Kashmiris and Bengalis and even rescued Pakistan military once in former east Pakistan.
Rex Minor
A warrior without honour is a criminal. There is no honour in killing women and children who pose you no threat. TTP has time and again confirmed this by going back on other peace accords between them and the government.
On the other hand, the government and the military are playing their games. The military has at its disposal equipment sophisticated enough to track and target TTP at will. But it did not take out Maulana radio whose simple FM radio transmitters could be tracked and positioned with precision and jammed using technology that Pak military possessed in 1965. If not dead yet, that murderer would probably have been a better radio technician today. And on that question, if the Swat valley was completely sealed before the operation, how did he and his lieutenants managed to escape to Afghanistan.
Talks on their terms will be a disaster. They will go back on their word like before in no time and will catch us off guard. We should, as the author suggests, pursue justice. We have the means the do so, the questions is about the intentions.
Well written Saroop Ijaz.
@MSS: Bravo!!
@kanwal: Thumbs up!
@shahid hameed: "yes we do need to talk with Taliban.Pakistani do bleave in democracy.this is only way to peace"
Your logic is incorrect. Pakistan maybe a democracy but TTP at this time rejects democracy - they want a Caliphate (who wil select the Caliph?). TTP rejects your constitution it wants to implement sharia as they understand it. Yo can get a sense of what type of sharia they want by looking at what went on in Afghanistan during 1996-2001. So talking right now is tantamount to surrender. No more and no less.
@kanwal: I am not sure you realize that I actually agree with you when it comes to the need to fight them to put them on the backfoot at this time. But when the state is in the position of strength, it must give those citizens amongst the insurgents who are misguided an honourable way to return to the mainstream as long as they commit to honour the constitutions. The dacoits of UP laid down their guns in front o Jaiprakash Narayan in the 70s.
As I indicated in m earlier post, Indian government is willing to speak to the Hurriyat now that it is in a position of strength but was unwilling to do so 15 years back when their murder and killing were at peak - condition acceptance of Indian constitution. Similarly if Maoists agre to abjure violence, Indian government is willing to talk to them.
This is not about being over optimistic but about being humane.
To decide whether to fight and seek victory over Talibans or to surrender in 'peace talks', read excellent articles by renowned lawyer, Tausif Kamal, "Shouldn't we stand up and defend?", and " Five prerequistes for Pakistan's survival", published elsewhere. Must read them.
@yaz:
No, but destroying Nazis and making Hitler commit suicide was the most decent thing.
@asif: @shahid: If the author is to go and fight that belongs to the Armey, then why have any Army?
@gp65 I was being ironic when i said 10 years. I meant to say that in 10 years, the reality of all that has happened in afghanistan and pakistan so arp will become so much clear that all the optimists like you will realise exactly where they were wrong. The need for getting rid of these thugs is urgent, if not late already.
The Americans have brought Afghan Taliban to the table after they have almost finished off the entire leadership of Alqiadah hiding in the area. The question is have we eliminated security risk to our country up to level that we could enter into dialogue?
Yes, ANP should not be left alone by the state as they have shown resilience and courage to challenge the outrageous terror.
A Peshawary
@Something Clever: Its an entirely new / fresh perspective on the issue. Although reading the last line is itself very painful.
Its their culture to fight. And they have been doing it for years. But we better ought to identify victims. Our people are the victims. So to save lives and lets dialog instead of humiliating any party or group of people.
Even if I can cite past failures of the Pakistan army to take cheap shots at it, I believe they could get rid of TTP if they really tried. The biggest problem is they aren't trying. The same can be said for the Afghan Taliban if border complications were removed with sincere desire and action from both the Afghan side and the Pakistan side. Add in truly accepting the assistance of the US and it's a near certainty. If all those things came together, the worst case scenario is that it would result in them being crippled to the point of being barely functional. That scenario comes about simply because getting rid of them is easily comparable to getting rid of an insect infestation. Technically, even just 10 stubborn people saying they aren't giving up on their goal, regardless of the lack of ability they have to see it through, makes it impossible to declare an official end to it. But, history shows why. Most decisive victories are country against country. When an end is declared they go through the steps to make it official, as a country. The Taliban are closer to a criminal gang. Those steps can't exist because the things those steps result in are completely irrelevant to a criminal gang. They don't have that kind of relationship with the world.
The desperation and support inside Pakistan to submit without a fight is almost painful to watch.
I find it extremely ironic that all parties ganged up against TUQ for demanding literal implementation of clause 62 and 63 of constitution fearing derailment of democracy and considering demand for revamping of ECP as against constitution.
On the other hand almost all parties are falling over each other in welcoming Taliban's offer of dialogue who have explicitly stated that they do not believe in Constitution / Democracy or Supreme Court. Wonders never cease in our beloved country.
Well written Saroop (although may require some good comprehension skills!). The essential point is that one does not negotiate with blackmailers. Particularly is of one is a state, one does its job rather than rolling over and abdicating. Alas our people are in a state of cognitive dissonance and can't accept that our own people are mass-murderers. Obviously the propaganda fed through schooling (specially dictator Zia's educational policy) helps this hubris by brainwashing even otherwise highly educated people into believing that muslims are the best race and our glory is only hampered by outside conspiracies rather than our own faults.
The Military men of Pakistan, the bravest of the brave, the purest of the pure, surely know how to surrender to RAW/CIA agents.
Talks.. Huh!!!
Talks are called by Status Quo, powerful powers to ensure things don't turn violent and they keep their piece of the cake. Taliban, it seems, are the status quo power here.. They want their dominance in certain areas to be recognised and also their demand of Sharia.
Any fool who has studied warfare in any degree will tell you that you should always negotiate from a position of strength.
To make Pakistanis understand, let me put it this way.. Pakistan will never get Kashmir, precisely for this reason from India over talks. Same reason Pakistan will never get anything it should wish to from Taliban.
EET: I am responding to people who wrote directly to me. Pls. allow.
@kanwal, MSS: When I spoke of timing I did not mean in the next couple of months but rather 2 years or 10 - whatever it takes to put them on the backfoot with well designed counterinsurgency where they are willing to negotiate within the framework of Pakistani constitution -which at the moment they are not.
After all are people not suggesting that talks should be held with Bugtis and Marris? Are they a state? No but they are willing to talk within the framework of Pakistan's constitution.
I did not suggest anything that India is unwilling to do. India is willing to speak to the Hurriyat and also to Maoists as long as they are willing to do it in the framework of our constitution. But the negotiations are not at gunpoint and not when the terrorists are on the ascendant and openly picking civilian targets.
I agree with the author. How can you negotiate with serial killers. If you do negotite with them then why not with every killer in the jail. I think they offered talks due to pressure from Qadri steep rise in popularity within religious minded people. PTI/PML-N, maulana fazl, JI are just political wings of Talban.
yes we do need to talk with Taliban.Pakistani do bleave in democracy.this is only way to peace.othewise we will continue same situation till next 30years.
@shahid: Instead of replying to the author's viewpoint, you chose sarcasm which is not a substitute for arguments. Since I am a coward and cannot fight at the border, I suppose I have no right to appose any future Indian / American incursion.
Sounds similar to the Andhra Pradesh government agreeing for talks with the naxals a few years back. At that time there were vast areas under the control of the insurgents. Talks as expected failed but after that the political class ordered a crack down on them coupled with development. In subsequent years, police with their Grey hound units decimated their movement in Andhra.
Did talks serve their purpose? Ofcourse it did, as during the time the talks we're going on, police was busy building their network within the insurgents and that helped in defeating the insurgents.
In Pakistan you have the army dealing with Taliban where as in India many insurgencies have been broken by effective police action. Punjab, Andhra and Tripura are examples.
@ yaz :
The post war treaties in europe were signed after Japan and Germany were carpet bombed into submission by the allied forces. Germany and Japan were not offered negotiations whilst they were rampaging through the rest of the world. Correct your facts first.
Taliban is currently strike at will and has killed thousands of innocent men, women and children. Unless they are defeated into submission first, their weapons taken away, their leadership captured or killed, their funding squeezed, then there can be no meaningful negotiations.
War. War .and more war. We are a warrior nation. We are also a paradox of a nation. Islamic Republic loathes "sharia," Donkey's ears ago Yusuf Afghan, editor of the Illustrated Weekly of Pakistan said, "India is Hindu, calls itself secular; Pakistan is atheist, calls itself Islamic."
On one hand, there is lot of adulation for Malala and she is being nominated for Nobel prize, even. On the other hand, the pakistani establishment and army are chickening out with Taliban essentially signalling that they are willing to surrender to the monsters. If the stupidest theory of TTP being an Indian/American brain child is to be believed, then Pak will be surrendering to their enemy no 1 and no 2 for the second time. Even that thought is failing to motivate Pak to fight and annihilate TTP. Is that all that about the "Superior martial race" that is being claimed from 1947?? What a pity
@Yaz. Comparing peace treaties between nations and terrrorists is completely wrong. When nations negotiate, if there were excesses on any side, war crimes are investigated and the criminals are punished. Do you think TTP will allow the government to prosecute the killers of Bilour or the crimnals who shot Malala ? Governing should be based on principles and if a bunch of criminals run a parallel government, it is the governments prerogative to destroy them and quash them.
Gary
Where in the world did the so called Sharia law go when it came to talk about "qisas" of the tens of thousands of innocent civilians killed (even if we forget the blood of pak army jawans, and i am not respecting any military elite by saying this)? It went to the heavens, eh? @gp65 Timing? Why? Is it a nation we are at war with? It is some scum whose sole reason for survival is bcoz our own army and government are criminally incompetent and the public is so drunk on religiosity to the point of being inhuman. Thats why these scum have survived within our borders. This country needs to be cleansed NOW. and no, we dont need to talk to them just bcoz they are coward enough to suicide bomb us and are not ready to put down weapons. I would much rather trust a rabid animal than them dear. And we will talk about your comparison between us & USA and TTP & afghan taliban in about a decade. Till then, stay in ur paradise of optimism about the cleansing effect USA has had and the effectivity of drones on killig the bad talibans. Lol if you can.
There is a serious conspiracy behind taliban negotiation offer and that is to drage NS in trap If he says yes he is rightists and will lose liberals support and if he says no he will lose right wing vote bank.He knows that and knows how to play politics.He is not a fundamentalist and supporter of taliban.
I agree with Saeed - the author needs to head to the front lines. He has run out of his pontification quota but then he is a lawyer so pontification it is. We all know why we must negotiate.
First, no one should be saying that talks should be held with Taliban because they have made an 'offer'. Who are they to make offers? Generally, the offers are made by the stronger party. The state must make them feel insecure rather than feeling insecure itself. Then the state should issue diktats and follow these all the way with force , whatever it takes. By urging to talk to Taliban, NS has shown a huge weakness in his ability to rule. @Gp65 The fact that India and Pakistan talked and talk to each other is a bad example because they meet as two recognised sovereign states not one as a state and the other as a terrorist outfit. US is looking to get out of the area, Pakistan or Afghanistan is not their country. They will negotiate with who ever will help them leave with a semblance of victory. Pakistan is here to stay. The two situations are radically different. Many times, states talk to these groups but history would suggest that such parleys are rarely productive. Terrorist groups, if they have some strength left will not fulfil their side of bargain as was witnessed in the previous agreements between the TTP and the govt. of Pakistan.
Saroop sahib, how about volunteering to fight with one of the lashkars supported by our government that are fighting? Not from the comfortable confines of a plush office ensconced some where in Lahore/Karachi/Islamabad, but actually on the filed, side by side with those who are actually paying the price for your remote grandstanding. If you are really so weary of "complete and abject abandonment of all our core principles" then please go ahead and take the first step and present yourself before throwing more human lives into this interminable war which as history tells us can be quite enduring. If you doubt it then please scan through historical narratives of the Mughal, the Sikh, the British, the Russian and now the the American adventurism.
Have these mass killers on innocent women, men and children ever honoured their past commitments? The answer is a resounding no. Should we trust their word in future? The answer ought to be: we would be very stupid if we do. The rush to negotiate with them is an indictment of the GHQ which has failed to safeguard Pakistanis, which is a job they are paid to do.
"Indecent" to negotiate? Do you also find European Peace Treaties after World War II very indecent?
If you talk you put your guard down thinking things are getting better , they use the time to regroup and strike again in greater strength. There is no easy quick fix to the problem the state has to gear up for a long drawn out war. It is either them or Pakistan as we know it now .Sorry if what i say is not very positive but that is the way i see it .
You could not have been more clearer or more correct.
If you (politicians) don't include us in policy making then we have lot of cards talibans being one of them.We should understand such dirty moves and move forward to strengthen democracy.Taliban deserve no negotiation but iron hand.
No; annihilate them, unless PAK wants sharia as offered by TTP. Take your pick.
The author loves to pontificate on matters far beyond his pay scale. Dialogue is the only way out of our conundrum. The other option of the sword is the last resort as it has a tendency to cut the very hand that wields it. There are never black and white solutions to such issues and a lawyer should be the first to acknowledge that, unless his or her glasses are tainted with blatant parti pris.
IT should be a different question. "Do we have to talk to TTP now?" or should that be postponed to a point when the PAkistan state is in a position of strength? In the end even after 1965 and 1971 India and Pakistan talked right? Talks have to happen. The question is of timing. Negotiating at TTP's gunpoint is perhaps not wise.
Those that say USA is willing to negotiate with Afghan Taliban now and make that as a justification for negotiation with Taliban should also note that US is choosing its timing in terms of its national interest and Pakistan should do the same. Afghan Taliban are highly chastened after 11 years in wilderness and 4+ years of drones raining on them, after US has been free from any terror incident for 11 years. Can the same thing be said about TTP who seems to be able to pick targets in the heart of Pakistan at will?