Pakistan

India calls Pakistan 'fragile' state in talks with US

India's Home Minister P. Chidambaram says India living in the most difficult neighbourhood in the world.

Afp May 27, 2011

NEW DELHI: India's Home Minister P. Chidambaram said Friday that Pakistan had become a "fragile" state and was the "global epicentre of terrorism" at the start of talks with the US homeland security secretary.

"It is a truism to say that India lives in perhaps the most difficult neighbourhood in the world. The global epicenter of terrorism is in our immediate western neighbourhood," Chidambaram said in a statement.

"Today, different terrorist groups, operating from the safe havens in Pakistan, are becoming increasingly fused, the society in Pakistan has become increasingly radicalised, its economy has weakened, and the state structure in Pakistan has become fragile," he added.

He made the statement at the opening of talks with US Homeland Security Janet Napolitano in New Delhi on Friday, according to a copy of the speech posted on the home ministry website.

COMMENTS (128)

Tony Singh | 13 years ago | Reply @Rana Imtiaz: One knows he has won the argument when others start calling him names. I know I have won the argument. Period.

Klutzkaboom | 13 years ago | Reply @Mohsin Ahmed Patel: Well said Mohsin, it'ld do a world of good if Pakistan Management can actually sit-down together and understand that the problem is not with India, but within. It's high time that Pakistan Army stops itself from coming into power and the democracy rules I guess high agenda points for Pakistan should be more jobs for it's people and to grow as a nation rather than just spitting fire against India. The problem is that whoever comes in Power in Pakistan uses War-against-India as a kind of a stepping stone to ensure it's people that he/she is the right choice for leadership. I sincerely wish we could ask these people why they intend to sell us this, I guess we need a leader who is more interested in sorting the problem once and for all and moving on to the next item, which again, should have to do with Pakistan growing economically and not nose diving Perhaps there are a few like us who do not want a war, with India or anyone, we don't want our hard-earned money to be spent on arms or luxury sedans/SUV's for those in power, we need reforms, we need our money to spent on the Nation to ensure growth for it's people I firmly believe that the political big-wigs don't wants us to be educated or understand that there is more than just War-against-India, cause they will never be able to fool us again. Right for the very beginning, politicians in Pakistan have done nothing except cheat the tax-payers, I wish and pray this stops. Hope there will be more who think in this way and we will see Pakistan grow together Regards Klutz

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Rana Imtiaz | 13 years ago | Reply @Tony Singh: When was it that You ever made sense out of anything last time? I am not concerned about what makes sense for you or not. I just quoted facts about List of State terrorism of the Indian State. You cleverly did not discuss at all the TAMIL TIGERS Making and Financing by India. Can you deny that? Of course not. I have not even mentioned What rogue elements in your own Military are , which is obvious by Miscreant Col. Prohit who had been planting Bombs everywhere in India and samJhota Express and Your State was blaming ISI. How many more blasts he would have not done in India. And thats the tip of the iceberg. How many more such People are in your Army who are dedicated to such acts of terrorism and are not yet caught? Are you even in a Position to lecture others when your own state is involved in STATE TERRORISM. You can shout out whatever you want and how many times you want with Fake names , but believe me no one listen to people like you . You do not believe that thats why you keep wasting your time. I don't care its your time and You can waste it all that you want. No, I do not agree with you that Govt. has to do Military operation like the one as that of Golden Temple or Lal Masjid. Mr. Fake Singh, two wrongs do not make one right. Instead of being ashamed of your own Govt's Terrorist Activity of Golden temple You are Justifying it by putting General Musharraf's example of Lal Masjid? See, where is Musharraf now? He can not even come back to Pakistan. But that does not relieve your State from the State terrorist act on its own people. Stop worrying about our Fragility and start worrying about what you are training in Afghanistan terrorists , If you stop that, You will have not to worry about our fragility. And if you tried to deny , then Example of TAMIL Tigers are before us. Your State Sponsored Terrorism around the world. You and your media speaking the same language that your Gora Masters are putting in your mouth. Its not your fault , You will live and die that way. So just do not worry. Maybe next generation will do better. We have the same problem with our own Elite ruling class who are slaves to the Foreign Powers . Let me remind you that we also do not give a damn what India is or does. People of Pakistan simply do not care about India. we have no interest in you people. We have better nations to befriend with than you.

Tony Singh | 13 years ago | Reply @Rana Imtiaz: Could not make sense of your comment. If its about 1984 operation blue star, let me remind you, your beloved General was so inspired by it that he replicated in Lal Masjid. The point is sometimes the govt has to take harsh decisions and innocent lives are lost. We are witnessing these in middle east today. Its started in China too (Chinese authoroties clamped a curfew in its part of Mongolia to curb agitation). But the larger point is your establishment, to mask its incompetence, tends to get adventurous and offensive towards India. That is why your fragility is a concern. Else do you think anyone in the world cares about Pakistan?

Arvind | 13 years ago | Reply @Tony Singh: "Answer to this is ofcourse India and Afganistan." Ha ha ha ha man Tony Singh Ji, kamal kar dita tussi, what a shot, Joke of the year..Hats Off to you. After all SINGH IS KING

jagjit sidhoo | 13 years ago | Reply @akash: If u happy with the situation the way it is i cant argue with u

Moise | 13 years ago | Reply @Subhash: Well my comment was censored, no point in continuing if moderator is biased.

akash | 13 years ago | Reply @sidhoo... So..whats your point .. talk to stone.. wah wah sidhooji.. all the best talkin to stone.. i thought u would have understood after 63 yrs.. no one is against peace.. whilst u can talk peace with someone pointing gun at u.. others cant

Bangash | 13 years ago | Reply Indians remain completely obsessed with Pakistan.

Usa | 13 years ago | Reply @Waseem: Muslims are powered by the help of Allah? If there is god then that god would be the same for all humans when we die. Infidels(kafir) nations are in much better shape so let's not always bring religion to all the world's problem cuz apparently it doesn't work.

vaishali | 13 years ago | Reply @Tee you need more than that......and you will be paid. just wait and watch

Ihk | 13 years ago | Reply @terex: Oh PUHLEEZE!!

Arslan | 13 years ago | Reply @Nirode Mohanty: If Indians don't comment on Pakistan, the Express Tribune will loose 90% of it's commentators.

Rds | 13 years ago | Reply @Saad: What do you mean "if" we go down? You're already way, way down!.. and you're still digging to go further down!

Nirode Mohanty | 13 years ago | Reply Let Pakistanis take care of their country as they like.Please, Indians, do not make any comment on Pakistan or Muslims. This is couterproductive. You are creating more enemies of India. PLEASE STOP.

Zeeeee | 13 years ago | Reply @dude: Agree with u man.........

jagjit sidhoo | 13 years ago | Reply @akash: That "stone" will be our neighbor forever we have fought for the last 63 yrs ... that is a lifetime how many lifetimes do you want to fight for ?

jagjit sidhoo | 13 years ago | Reply @Talat Haque: Pearls of wisdom brother

jagjit sidhoo | 13 years ago | Reply @Rana Imtiaz: Please quote in which words of mine did i threaten Pakistan . Please read again what i have written

Udaya Bose | 13 years ago | Reply @Blithe: There are far more people living below the poverty line in India than in Pakistan in both absolute and percentage terms. I wonder why this wonderful truth that Pakistan is much better off than India doesn't get reflected in the opinions expressed by the columnists in this Newspaper who seem to be uniformly pessimistic.

terex | 13 years ago | Reply @Adnan Its good for pakistan kaum if pakistan merge with india!! Good for both nation,time to revitalize the glory

Brad DeLong | 13 years ago | Reply What can you expect when you have shi**y neighbours called Afghanistan and India?

Adnan | 13 years ago | Reply @sharma: Come out of your dreams mr.sharma. its not any hollywood movie u r watching u think if u can make some bomb blasts in Pakistan by helping the terrorists then u can also capture it. Its a fools paradise u live in sharma!

P.A.M | 13 years ago | Reply here today's sample http://tribune.com.pk/story/177675/blast-in-bajaur-kills-6-injures-10/

Pakistani in US | 13 years ago | Reply @Waseem If I die of high blood pressure, please know that it will be because of your insanely naive and stupid comment. You put in perfect words the cancer spread within our youth. Believe me I was in your shoes once, and when the bubble bursts, you will be in tears my friend.

R S JOHAR | 13 years ago | Reply @Talat Haque: As an Indian I fully agree with your logical analysis as well as essence of goodwill suggested by you. Certainly we donot know what is going to happen in future which only the Creater who is only ONE knows. So, let all of us try our best to spread peace not hatred which will make this region a great place to live.

vasan | 13 years ago | Reply Dear Pakistanis Pl read http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/28/what-friends-say-about-pakistan-in-private.html from Wikileaks before you rant against Chidambaram's stmt. He has been soft, indeed. And do u want to know what the Afgans esp Talibans think about Pakistan,.Pl read Kamran shafi's article in Dawn dt 31/8/10 Chidambaram's remarks are only tip of the iceberg

Talat Haque | 13 years ago | Reply Its a good thing that Indians come and write on our affairs .............. I hope we do the same at Indian news sites ............ its better than not talking at all ACTIONS ARE JUDGED ON INTENTIONS If the idea is to just score a point ....................... its pointless If the intention is to belittle each other ............... its senseless If the intention to understand each other ............. its hopeful All of us here in India and Pakistan will be gone one day like all the others before us and the earth does not belong to anyone ............. meanwhile if we have gained wisdom during our stay here we will have enriched our hearts and minds ! Wouldn't that be great!

Ihk | 13 years ago | Reply We are in fragile state, but are NOT a failed state. Just wait and watch.

Waseem | 13 years ago | Reply O Indians, do remember that Pakistan's nuclear assets are much better, improved & working than India's ones. 2ndly, our people are united. If nobody could fight to save Pakistan, then in the end, it will be Pakistani people who will fight against their enemies. Inshallah. & we are powered by the help of Allah. & non-muslims are powered by bhagwans, dewtas etc etc good luck..

Pakistani in US | 13 years ago | Reply What else do you call the current state of our country? Happy and prosperous? It's been sitting on the edge since independence. And now thanks to our Taliban bros, coupled with economy in shambles and bad law and order situation, the state of Pakistan is in serious trouble. It won't collapse but you can't call it a country anymore. It's just a group of people on few different sides of ideological spectrum trying to survive on day to day basis. And to top that 90% of our youngsters are either part of delusional ghirat brigade or have their heads up their asses. It is definitely beyond fragile.

Arslan | 13 years ago | Reply @Vicram Singh: Not at all: I don't see them as 'brothers' at all, especially because of religion. But the point is your Indian friend used aggressive language, 'reclaiming' Pakistan when both Nations were born in 1948. Of course there are historical and cultural ties but Pakistan belongs to... Pakistanis, Indians are not doing us a favour by 'gifting us' some territories.

Krishna | 13 years ago | Reply Few months after Western forces leave this area, TTP, LeT and Qaida in cooperation with radicalized elements in armed forces will take over Pakistan. India should be really worried. I hope they are feverishly working on missile shield.

ikmundapunjabi | 13 years ago | Reply @Shahid: dude honestly how did u come up with the number 52%? any logic or facts behind it or u just running ur mouth.

mussarat | 13 years ago | Reply He should know that despite every odds today's pakistan is entirely different from 1971. So please never underestimate Pakistan. Though we live in the United States but love our country to death. May God purge Pakistan and this world from terrorism. You have a great day Sir. God Bless Pakistan, Amen. Mussarat

Rana Imtiaz | 13 years ago | Reply @Tony Singh: And did he tell her how Indian Govt. raided the golden temple also? Or he just hide that Information from her? Let me tell you one thing Mr. Fake Singh. Its your record to alway stand by terrorists and State Terrorism whether it is from Indian Govt. on Sikh temple, or It was from Soviets invading Afghanistan or it is US Invading Afghanistan. Just see which side you always stood.? Its not a rocket science that you can not figure it out. You alway know the end result. @jagjit sidhoo: Don't threat . Threat never worked with neither Soviets and Nor for US in Afghanistan and in this region. Your Govt. tried that threat even with Sri Lanka by arming Tamil Terrorists for 30 long years. Where are they now? and Where is Rajiv Gandhi? Where is Indira? No One wants to patch anything with you. You are not even worth it. It is no doubt that you are Slaves of that lady . Accept it or not will not make any difference. People watch you. This is a piece of advice to your Leadership and in Pakistan " As long as this leadership will keep Boot Polishing these Powers, there will be no piece in the region".

shaanu | 13 years ago | Reply @AN because since independence, u r exporting ur national assets all over the world

AnisAqeel | 13 years ago | Reply Fact, but we will overcome.

Danish Kamal | 13 years ago | Reply All the terrorists have footsteps at our dear homeland.

Danish Kamal | 13 years ago | Reply Whether we like or not, but its more than true. Despite getting angry, shouldn't we analyse ourselves.

bc49er | 13 years ago | Reply My grandfather worked in the Indian civil service pre-partition. He always had a soft spot for Pakistan and its people. He would visit his old village in Pakistan once a year. I remember him saying that Pakistan got the cream of the crop in terms of people. They were more educated and wealthy. They wanted independence because they didn't like the idea of being ruled by Hindhus (it was foreign to them, shameful). Then he'd add but they are a mess now and this was 10 years ago.

kailash | 13 years ago | Reply I am not sure why Indian politicians can't stop making these unflattering comments about Pakistan, It is probably unlike US who was able to do justice for 9/11, Indians still waiting for 26/11, Dawood Ibrahim and others. Once Indians get them like US got of OBL, politicians will talk with more sensitively. Its like barking dogs seldom bite

Venky | 13 years ago | Reply If Kayani could say that India will ever remain enemy no. 1, inspite of talks are being held, what else you can expect from Indian side other than Home Minister's comments.

sharma | 13 years ago | Reply @Aamer Which country in south east asia is suffering because of india?

Anonymous | 13 years ago | Reply WOW, its really interesting to see how much indians are interested in a pakistani newspaper and specially the news that present a bad picture of pakistan n thats even more interesting that their comments get the most recommendations. and on the statement of indian minister, i will only say that he doesn't need to worry about pakistan, its fragileness and its problems, he has the whole india to deal with so he should stick to that. and to all those who are saying that pakistan is in the state of denial, look up the other news too and see people's comments in there and then ask urself are pakis really in state of denial? who gives the right to an indian minister to comment such a thing abt pakistan? and more importantly who are indians to say anything abt pakistan or pakistanis? have they forgotten what they are doing to kashmiris? the world's so called biggest democracy is forcefully ruling on kashmir and killing kashmiris.

AN | 13 years ago | Reply What's new? India is saying the same thing since Pakistan creation. Mr. Chidambaram! Please concentrate on your own country. @ ET Please make it a policy to not to post trash news from neighbors.

NJ | 13 years ago | Reply @Jahangir: 4.3%; just 4.3% with American aids or without; please clarify.

zeeee | 13 years ago | Reply @Muhammad Junaid Akhter Dar: Very interesting that you have to specifically remark "non-governmental terror" :)

zeeee | 13 years ago | Reply @Saad - "if we do go down you guys will go down with us…..Not only we have shown ..through 26/11 but there will be many more 26/11s". Exactly what we expect from the radical Pakistani.

Wondering | 13 years ago | Reply @ Amer Khan I have been a very regular traveller to the South East Asian region and let me share with you my experience. Apart from PK, all other smaller countries in teh region are badly effected by the Indian hegemony. I live in South East Asia, Malaysia to be precise, and travel all over South East Asia to Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore, Philippines, Hong Kong and Vietnam.. Malaysia and Indonesia are frantically courting India for investments. i am a little bit confused by your above statements. Maybe you are saying this to satisfy your countries populace. In fact there are more visa problems to people from Pakistan in this region then for the Indians.

Hassan Farooqi | 13 years ago | Reply The art of war dictates that the enemy should be destroyed from within. The best war is the one which can be won without fighting. If there is harmony between the king, army, and the subjects, that harmony should be disrupted. Few lines from Sun Tzu. India is destroying Pakistan from within. The fifth column of Indian Army i.e. Tehreek-e-Talibaan Pakistan is destroying the subjects confidence on army. They have no confidence on the king. The king has no confidence on army and vice versa. Sun Tzu's manual being followed to the letter by Indian Army.

Farhan Kermani | 13 years ago | Reply hes not wrong.

Vicram Singh | 13 years ago | Reply @Arslan: "LOL dude get it straight: India has NEVER been a STATE, so Pakistan has NEVER been ‘in India’. The ‘India’ of Ashoka, Babur or the British Raj were different." I guess you are the type who has a great deal of brotherly feeling for the Arab or the Iranian because they are "Muslim".

Amer Khan | 13 years ago | Reply We are all educated people so we should say things in perspective. The home Minister gave the stament only for domestic political consumption and he did not mean anything else as this a good time to give this statement. India and Pakistan will not be able to be friends because of many issues including Kashmir, Afghanistan, Water resources and so on. If Pakistan becomes fragile, India better know that they will also become the same. Look at Afghanistan and Pakistan, the hell crated in PK is all because of Af. So, my Indian friends dont give emotional statements and be more rational. We were seperated becasue we had differences and those differneces will continue to happen. India never wants to see us happy. I have been a very regular traveller to the South East Asian region and let me share with you my experience. Apart from PK, all other smaller countries in teh region are badly effected by the Indian hegemony. PK is the only country which shows some resistance and hopefully we will continue to become stronger ans stronger with the passage of time.

Usa | 13 years ago | Reply @Saad: Wow, nice thinking. God will appreciate your attitude. Hate only destroys your inner soul and you can't succeed in life because hate will always bring you down. No wonder pakistanis are doing worse than Bangladesh because of so much hate

KM | 13 years ago | Reply Quite sad to see the Indians mocking on this blog, and then they themselves are crying out to the world, that they live in the most difficult neighborhood in the world? If you were really worried, then you would have been involved more actively with Pakistan to rationalize the real threat, i.e. if there was any. Sri Lanka, China and Pakistan are your biggest neighbors? So tell us which one of them you are honest to? Unfortunately, though you have done well economically, you still have a pea sized heart and brain. You wish to go to Afghanistan for trade, whereby you can get more from Pakistan, but no, it is actually your evil designs of pursuing terrorism into Pakistan, from its western borders. The problem is in your own mindset, whereby you don't want to live in peace. You still do not accept Pakistan as a reality, and so you keep playing games to cause problems. It is very sickening to see the attrocities that happen in India, in the name of religion. I am sure the Indians on this forum will give a comparison, but they should know that in any eventuality the combined casualties in 63 years of Pakistan will be less than the injustices that happen in India each year. Being the so called giant, you have been dishonest to the UN itself in case of Kashmir, and then how do you expect to be respected. Its a shame, that India seeks glory for itself, completely discounting what it really requires to be glorious.

shaanu | 13 years ago | Reply @yasir again today its india, it waz kuwait when they banned visa for pakis, it was saudi and UAE when wikileaks released their funding in pakistan, it was USA when they killed laden it waz afghanistan, taliban, ISI, israel, NATO, west, east, south, north, EU, RAW, CIA, LeT, according to different situation,

Thinking | 13 years ago | Reply It's interesting to see that this is the 2nd most commented article. An Indian government official states what everyone knows to be true and Pakistanis get inflamed like crazy. This is just another example of why Pakistan's civil society is going down the tubes. The fact that the most open-minded newspaper in Pakistan's readers react like this means that there is surely no hope for the average Pakistani who already lives on conspiracy theories and believes the ISI is the protector of Pakistan. India doesn't want Pakistan to be destabilized. India wants Pakistan to be a friendly neighbor. When will Pakistan get that? India does not benefit from having to spend so much money on its military.

jagjit sidhoo | 13 years ago | Reply @waqas: Brother you are right countries can not change their neighbors so the sensible thing to do is live like USA & Canada. Devote some time money and energy to improve the lot of the poor in our countries

Peace On Earth | 13 years ago | Reply Why are Pakistanis (at least some of the one's on this board) so defensive? Why not accept the fact that we have problems, acknowledge them, and try to come to a logical solution to mediate the problem? Stop blaming others. If I am at a restaurant and I touch a hot stove and burn my hand and then yell at the cook, who's fault is that, mine or the cook's?

yasir | 13 years ago | Reply India has always been insecured because of Pakistan.....this terrorism is India's game on Pak's land.......Pakistan is not fragile but a very strong nation..these gimmicks will not affect Pakistan..don't waste ur time indians and focus on rebellious movements taking place in your own country.......

yasir | 13 years ago | Reply Indians should mind their own business.......India has always been insecured because of Pakistan......this terrorism is being played by India in Pakistan

mahmood | 13 years ago | Reply The USA would never tolerate Pakistani type behavior from Mexico or Canada ----- so I don't blame India for their resentment of Pakistan. Pakistan has very few friends in this world and even those friends just use Pakistan as a lever against their enemies --- Pakistan will never get true friends until it drops it xenophobic behavior.

Faisal | 13 years ago | Reply Pakistan is like the Soviet Union in late 80's, a declining nation, not willing to give up its regressive ideology, USSR had "communism" and Pakistan has "Islamism" i.e "political islam". Don't forget, USSR had the biggest nuke weapon stockpile in the world, yet it collapsed...so making more nukes won't take pakistan anywhere.

Subhash | 13 years ago | Reply @Moise: Yes guys like you are happy living like the ostrich with it's head buried in sand.

waqas | 13 years ago | Reply Whatever you say and whatever you do, you cannot change your neighbours... You will have to bear this...!

Arslan | 13 years ago | Reply @sharma: "why wont india come to pakistan blog?Pakistan was land of india and we still have chances to get the control of this land ,by 2020" LOL dude get it straight: India has NEVER been a STATE, so Pakistan has NEVER been 'in India'. The 'India' of Ashoka, Babur or the British Raj were different. And by 2020 ? There's no plan of giving you our land. But keep dreaming, like the 13 thumbs up. @Indians: keep an eye on your Naxalites instead of 'worrying' (huhu) about our 'security' (huhu bis.) And I love the 'failed state' rhetoric: in which way ? Economic life has suffered from natural disasters a hundred time more than terrorism, there's still a (corrupt) civil government, there's stil an intellectual and a cultural life (contrarily to Algeria under Islamist threat in the 90s), there's still rule of law, ...

Khan | 13 years ago | Reply Me-dia = In-dia!

samia | 13 years ago | Reply lol no ones paranoid... rest assured wer aware of our situation which FYI includes fighting extremists trained by RAW.. wake up and smell the coffee!!!

utkarsh | 13 years ago | Reply the latest proof of pak's fragility is the Hangu blast yesterday; yet most of u will refuse to accept the truth. i want replies from pakistanis on this

vasan | 13 years ago | Reply Indian Home minister is a highly educated(Harvard MBA), well articulated person. He talks in a measured way and his words, each one, in any context, is like a loaded gun, crisp, clear and upto the point. He was previously commerce minister, finance minister and now home minister, He has won lot of accolades for his tenure in the ministries. Even his statement that India lives in a difficult neighborhood is a REAL statement, I agree with another blogger that Pakistan lives in a dangerous neighborhood. Pakistan was also living in a difficult neighborhood but they converted that into a dangerous neighborhood by their unnecessary intrusion into other countries via army, state actors and nonstate actors and they deny all that.

samia | 13 years ago | Reply @Blithe: thankyou.. im sick of Indians playing holier than thou!.. yes pakistan has its fair share of problems .. india isnt helping by sending RAW agents here to train extremists...fact is India has more to gain from akistans downfall than any other nation...

narayana murthy | 13 years ago | Reply @Aslam Sher Khan, Sane words. @Mohsin Ahmed Patel You are right Mohsin. Pakistanis cannot stand Indians telling them what to do. Because, deep down in their subconscious, it would be like negating the two nation theory. But the same applies to Indians. Indians cannot take anything from Pakistanis. However, at the moment, Pakistan seems to be the one in need of all the advice in the world.

shaanu | 13 years ago | Reply @Mohsin India and Afghanistan

Atif | 13 years ago | Reply To All the indian readers India was actually shown the wall in Afghanistan by the US and the future is very clear despite India's hard labors and dollar drums given to Afghans in Aid/Projects, all seems wasted, OBL hunt was actually a big step towards the end game in Afghanistan, and after that end game, India knows what Pakistan is going to do with it, hahhahahahah take my words all our indian brothers (DNA brothers) we have the future in afghanistan we have it despite all our weakness and mistakes, we are quite clear about one thing, and that is INDIA Remember, most of us in pakistan are marshal race and we are widely known as either best friends or worst enemies, so the choice is yours

Muhammad Junaid Akhter Dar | 13 years ago | Reply cheap people cheap thinking.. their dirty minds always gets active when they found any chance against us. Talking about neighbors, haven't noticed their internal situation where hundreds of independence movements and terrorist are working... Pakistan is affected by non-governmental terror but these beasts (Indian Govt. n Army ) are screwing innocent Kashmiries, what about that ??

akash | 13 years ago | Reply @Jagjit sidhoo.. yes we are trying to patch up..Our PM is still talking Peace even when mumbai perpetrators are roaming in Pakistani cities and ISI is implicated in US... so Mr. Sidhoo it doesnt always helps to be politically correct. lets not forget Mumbai..Home Minister just stated facts and his concern in a a very calm way. what else can you say if all famous terrorists and criminals are in Pakistan ?? look at the comments and it shows the psych.. show the mirror to pakistan and they bristle at any weakness.. forget admitting.. everyone becomes defensive and will start telling whats wrong with you (yes yes we know our problems but we are just concerned). if you don't admit whats wrong how can you fix it...(o hang on there is no problem.. its conspiracy..) How will India gain at hurting pakistan. With all our issues, we are just starting to do littlle better and hence would like to continue moving ahead, thank you very much. Better off talking sense to stone..

Ali | 13 years ago | Reply This is so true. Pakistan has become very fragile and we as a nation are responsible for that. We cannot blame it on anybody else. People usually blame US or India but since we are executing those plans then we are only to be blamed. If someone tells you to jump from a bridge normal people dont. But in our case we are jumping happily. If someone is training these terrorist then why are we going to them for training. I myself have heard molanas giving sermons in Mosques that these suicides are legal. This is crazy.

Tee | 13 years ago | Reply well we are also living in the most difficult of neighbours in the world... aren't we ??

Saad | 13 years ago | Reply This atricle is for indians to read and comment. just one small thing, if we do go down you guys will go down with us..... Not only we have shown ..through 26/11 but there will be many more 26/11s if you guys dont stop interfering with our internal matters!

Aamir | 13 years ago | Reply Its time to recognize that nexus of evils. All are against us and our rulers are so pathetic they have not guts to stand due to their corrupt history. Army should take over Pakistan again as these politicians failed miserably.

Tony Singh | 13 years ago | Reply @Mohsin: "Pakistan has Afghanistan as a neighbour at one side and India at the other, so Mr Chidambarm which country is living in the most dangerous neighbourhood in the world?" Answer to this is ofcourse India and Afganistan.

Tony Singh | 13 years ago | Reply Much ado adout nothing. The people of Pakistan know their state and they also know the way forward. Leave it to them to sort out their problem. Our only concern should be that those problems do not spill across the border here in India.

Cherish Raj | 13 years ago | Reply What the minister said is perfectly true. Just browse through international news websites to get the world's idea of Pakistan. For a typical Pakistani, those opinions are just Amriki propaganda, when hardly a day goes by without bombings and jihadi attacks.

Blunt! | 13 years ago | Reply @All Pakistanis - Each & Every word wot he has said, Holds true! (come out of self-denial & see for urself) Also, all those who talk about India's Poverty, atleast these people are not paranoid of dying in some random bomb explosion, terror attacks etc...

Mohsin Ahmed Patel | 13 years ago | Reply Reading the comments of fellow Pakistanis one can see that most of them commented emotionally rather then think rationally. It is but a fact that Pakistan is in worst possible mess that a state can be. Just because Indian Minister pointed out our mess we get angry. We can think and work towards achieving better results for our people and country by analyzing Indian minister's remarks to improve ourselves. Some time opponents are better placed to point out our shortcomings then we can. Just saying that we can defeat India or our GDP is this or that does not make our country strong. when in the past have we defeated India in a war? Do Indian Generals make India's foreign policy? Does India have three power centres like us or is it the government of India which makes policies? Having a huge army also does not make us strong either. we are dependent on IMF and the world to financially support our country. Every year we need Aid and Loan to make budget and we need US to arm our armed forces and Germany to provide for the BMWs and Mercedes for our Generals and their families. We borrow to buy these arm and cars. Indians move about in thier Hundustan Standard model cars though they have assembly plants of foreign cars in India and Mr. Ratan Tata owns Land Rovers and Jaguars. It is about time we came to our senses.

amoghavarsha.ii | 13 years ago | Reply @terek, where did u get poverty rate of pakistan @17% in 2008??? very very very surprising.....only 17 out of 100 poor in pakistan in 2008 !!!! when afghan war was still on...

Pen | 13 years ago | Reply @ashok sai You should remembered these real stories, after all you will have to recall.

sharma | 13 years ago | Reply @Sam why wont india come to pakistan blog?Pakistan was land of india and we still have chances to get the control of this land ,by 2020

syed | 13 years ago | Reply @Mohsin, The answer to your question can be given in an analogy.. My house and my western neighbhour house is in fire ..My eastern neighbhour is screaming fire near us fire near us to all in the street ...Now as my house is already in fire should i not shout too that fire in my house ..What you are doing is mocking at easter neighbour saying your house is in danger because of eastern neighbhour has big guns at home and do not realise your house is in fire and ready to engulf wholly.

Akthar | 13 years ago | Reply Unfortunately, the whole world sees us as a failed & a terrorist state. 9/11, 7/7, 26/11, kargil, OBL, army rule, bombings, salman taseer, Lal masjid etc to name few. But our people instead of introspection blame the whole world for everything.

Aurangzeb Rao | 13 years ago | Reply Patriotism demands that I defy all logic and say with full conviction that we will bounce back soon............. but this damn "reality"........

Aslam Sher Khan | 13 years ago | Reply He is stating the obvious and dancing to US tune. But why are we still in denial? No one wants a stable, democratic Pakistan, neither the US, or Saudi or China. They all want us to be begging for alms so that they can use our geo-political advantage to control Middle-South Asia . India perhaps has the least stake in our instability, as they suffer the most from jihadis, after us. How nice for the Saudis...sending oil money to Wahabi pigs who are killing ordinary patriotic Pakistanis and sitting in US good books for oil. And now good old GHQ will start uniting people in anti-India rhetoric and get money from US,Saudi and China. More London flats for Kayani and co.

Mohsin | 13 years ago | Reply Pakistan has Afghanistan as a neighbour at one side and India at the other, so Mr Chidambarm which country is living in the most dangerous neighbourhood in the world?

Sam | 13 years ago | Reply This is brilliant. Indians finding the time to come to Pakistan's blogs and populate the comment thread! Way too many fingers feverishly typing at the Indian Strategic Planning Division!! India's Pakistan obsession continues....

Junaid Khan | 13 years ago | Reply Well i expect this home ministry should focus on indian issues or just shut his mouth up. Dont worry about us we can resist aganist any side of the world.

R S JOHAR | 13 years ago | Reply A very mild statement from the Indian Home Minister.

MAD | 13 years ago | Reply Well he should be worried. we all know where the nukes are pointed and its not West.

Hasan | 13 years ago | Reply J Oberoi: We don't have a problem with you guys dreaming. At least it keeps you going. Bambayya: Heard what a cornered tiger is? Don't push us! Yes we have fallen but we aren't down and out yet. Junaid: Don't forget where it all started. America backed Mujahideen's back then to kick Societ Union. And India like Isreal has occupied a country illegally. India itself doesn't want peace and that's why they have been messing with Pakistan for all these years. Shahid: No one is going to mention this. Our media is sold and Indian media is much more mature and sensible then ours. Their media has played a very positive rold in their success. I can see how the recommendations of anti-Pakistan comments are 10+ (at this point while I am typing) and pro-Pakistan are either one or none. Salute to Tribune who hires a bunch of losers to post positive comments on their Facebook page right after a link is posted. Good social media strategy but at the end of the day you are fake and you know that ;)

tarek | 13 years ago | Reply 2008 poverty rates: India 43% Pakistan 17% . I guess chandabaram meant failed state in a very specific way, anyways you can't really take a person seriously when all he has seen is slums.

ashok sai | 13 years ago | Reply @silent obsrvr: You missed one important member, ie, Pakistan itself. @Nurmomad: No need for any country to destabilize Pakistan as they are very smart in 'Self Destruction'. @Pen: Don't Pen Hollywood stories here. Well, we can expect more of a Pakistani 'Denial Circus' to come.

A R Khan Yusufzai | 13 years ago | Reply @Bambayya: Express Tribune should revise its comments policies. Had these views been expressed in an Indian Newspaper by a Pakistani opinion maker, he/she would have been banned for life.

Saad Durrani | 13 years ago | Reply The sob-story of India as attention is moving away from them.

dude | 13 years ago | Reply deplomatic revange of Mumbai carnage..

Kazmis | 13 years ago | Reply When Chadambaram says Pakistan is a fragile state in the neighbor, we must take it admittedly because beside him US Homeland Security secretary is standing. As the same time Mike Mullen and Hillary Clinton are in Pakistan and saying Pakistani seniors are innocent, means all Gad Bad (Trouble) is between the lower ranks and as big as PNS Mehran. Prime Minister Gilani is attending a cabinette meeting and out come is to be presented to Ms Clinton, perhaps a joint protection of Assets.

dude | 13 years ago | Reply state of deniel is Pakistan's biggest problem. All the best!

jagjit sidhoo | 13 years ago | Reply @dextor: The quote is muh mien ram baghal mein churi . Mr Chidambaram not diplomatic at all even if it is partly true suppose you forgot that speech is silver silence is golden . You dont pass such irritating remarks about a country u want to patch up with . Try to be helpful and compassionate or keep mum

Blithe | 13 years ago | Reply 1/3 of India is under Maoist insurgency, 700k Indian terrorist soldiers are sequestering the freedom movement in occupied Kashmir against UN Resolutions. There are far more people living below the poverty line in India than in Pakistan in both absolute and percentage terms.

Akbar | 13 years ago | Reply Well i dont expect anything better from the Govt of India. After all they had a fair share of screwing us. Who can deny that what all he has said. Its true and we are worried. However, i have hope, courage and confidence that we will come out of it more mature, stronger and wiser.

amoghavarsha.ii | 13 years ago | Reply Indian Home Minister has said, " the State structure has become fragile " The meaning is - " Governing structure " not the States itself. the difference is missed by many commentors. Also somebody is comparing indus valley and gang valley.....Pakistan never claims its civilization and culture is of Indus valley, it is India which claims that. Indians still worship sun , fire and land as gods....Do pakistanis worship it. NO. So no point in saying indus valley civilization, etc., Fact is We are all from Indus Valley civilization. Indus valley people moved further to ganga valley also.

saleem khan | 13 years ago | Reply not only fragile but failed state

indian | 13 years ago | Reply if jinnah was alive, he surely would have committed suicide seeing his nation becoming a hotbed of terrorism.

Aryabhat | 13 years ago | Reply Truth hurts!

FARRUKH MUSHTAQ | 13 years ago | Reply Home Minister Sb know very well, Indian society is more radicalized. And his statement is also well indicating that who is actually behind terrorist activities. India cant see a peaceful Pakistan in his neighbor.

Pen | 13 years ago | Reply This all is due to remissed politician of Indo-Pak that USA ruling over. India don't want to settle dispute with Pakstan. From the very first day of Pakistan Indian thoughts Pakistan a fragile state. If India with the help of USA destabilizing Pakistan, may USA get no much harm in revenge but India must face the consequences as a bad neighbourer.

Paras Vikmani | 13 years ago | Reply This is indeed true

Shahid | 13 years ago | Reply what about the 52% of india which is not in their own control?

Nurmomad | 13 years ago | Reply Only the Indian threat fills Pakistan with unity, and rightly so. It seems that the "Aman Ki Aasha" crap and the "we want to see a prosperous Pakistan" rhetoric is a smokescreen for the destabilization process to which India is a major party.

ashok sai | 13 years ago | Reply Fact !!!

CP | 13 years ago | Reply @dextor or whoever-you-are:- We are your rival and this is what rivals do..trying to reduce the rivalry and at the same time trying to increase their influence or reduce the others'.

silent obsrvr | 13 years ago | Reply Pakistan is now a days on the peak by fighting horous wars against.1) terrorist.2) India 3) NATO.4) Unknown.....But unfortunately all attacking from the Back.....

Jahangir | 13 years ago | Reply Don't worry Indian home minister. people of Ganga valley could never win over people of Indus valley!!! you forget something that pakistani people have a great potential to fight against big challenges!!! Pakistan's real GDP growth rate is 4.3% its mean that we are growing at the rate of 4.3 which 41 in world. we will overcome all these problems OK!! :)

Junaid | 13 years ago | Reply frankly we allowed this to happen, may be their intentions are wrong or we can say they are overly proud of their state of affairs but its true and a fact. we may not be as fragile as they say but terroorism is ripe in our country and there are places in tribal area that taliban control can be far away from mainland but they do create diversions time to time.

someguy | 13 years ago | Reply All Pakistanis, Please think and introspect if the below statement said by the home minister is true or not? Today, different terrorist groups, operating from the safe havens in Pakistan, are becoming increasingly fused, the society in Pakistan has become increasingly radicalised, its economy has weakened, and the state structure in Pakistan has become fragile Dont just cling to patriotism but think rationally. This is a fact for us Indians. While we are busy in developing, improving economy our neigbours are only becoming more extremists. I am not saying all of pakistani are like this but the majority is just an observer. Indian in London

Moise | 13 years ago | Reply Why Pakistani news paper publish this nonsense analysis?

Moise | 13 years ago | Reply With analysis like this no wonder India is ruled by outsiders. NATO supply line goes from Pakistan not the other way round. Stick to bashing cricketers.

J Oberoi | 13 years ago | Reply "Fragile" does not quite describe it. "Hanging by a frayed thread" is more like it.

dextor | 13 years ago | Reply Waoo....its called baghal main churi aur mun pai ram ram...one side you are inviting us for talks and asking us for starting exports..and on the other hands this propaganda...thank you...rest shame on these politiocians who still beleives that they should way to india to go afghanistan....

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