Pakistan

Missing Facebook?

Rana Tanveer May 25, 2010

LAHORE:

The Lahore High Court Bar Association (LHCBA) on Tuesday inaugurated the ‘Millat Facebook’ website as an alternative to the banned social networking site.

An advertisement on the webpage read, “Millat Facebook helps you connect and share with more than 1.57 billion Muslims and sweet people from other religions.” The Public interest litigation forum’s Judicial Activism Panel (JAP) has developed the website and launched it as a platform for users who were unhappy about not being able to use Facebook since the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) banned it under court orders. In a ceremony held at the LHCBA the chairman of JAP, Advocate Muhammad Azhar Siddique displayed the webpage (www.millatfacebook.com) for the first time.

He urged internet users to sign up with the new website and connect with people who wanted harmony and were tolerant of religious sensibilities. The move is meant to convey to disgruntled users of the blocked site that the bar is not against the use of modern technology, but only insists on respect for a user’s religious beliefs. Azhar expressed his disappointment that no political party had stepped forward in condemning the sacrilegious contest. He requested government officials to take up the issue at the International Court of Justice and stop similar future initiatives.

He stated that the JAP had every intention to take up the matter with the United Nations very soon. Mian Qudoos, the president of the LHCBA, addressed participants at the seminar and stated that the issue of sacrilegious internet c0ntent had distracted the attention of the government and the people from real issues plaguing the country. He stated that the contest was a well-chalked out conspiracy against Muslims. He stated that it intended to hurt religious sentiments, invite a reaction and then cubbyhole them as fundamentalists. He stated that the legal fraternity was prepared to respond to any such initiative and would record their protest against the blasphemous caricatures. Mian Qudoos added that although the Muslims belonged to different sects, they were united in their love for the Holy Prophet (pbuh).

Advocate Chaudhry Zulfiqar, who petitioned the Lahore High Court to ban the social networking site, used the occasion to say that the government should ban all pornographic and anti- Islamic websites.

Published in the Express Tribune, May 26th, 2010.

COMMENTS (89)

imran | 14 years ago | Reply Congratulations to all . MFB is fully back, better and faster. We are still running some security checks but have fully opened it up. The entire MFB team would like to thank every single member and the supporters for the immense support and look forward to uniting all the Muslims and decent people of all faiths on the platform now termed as the future of online social networking ….. Decent, Secure, User Privacy Protected and Enriched. Bulletins, Blogs, Walls, Mails, Shout Box, Quizzes, Polls, Games, Chat, e.t.c. are some of the many features offered by MFB for a unique online social experience. As they say truth and facts speak for themselves. No matter how much anyone tries to hide them, they come out in the open. Below are some selections from dozens of Media reports showcasing what the World Media has to say about millatfacebook Facebook, starting from most recent and ranging from confirming MFB’s popularity to declaring it a HIT. It is there for all to see. In addition, all the common queries re MFB are also addressed in the Interview with the Hindustan Times and the Broadcast of Radio Netherlands Worldwide. Let the truth illuminate the darkness of lies and doubts. Please feel free to spread this and source back. New Statesman: “Pakistan’s m i l l a t facebook becoming popular” (Over 333,000 Users) http://www.newstatesman.com/digital/2010/06/muslim... NDTV: “‘Halal’ version of Facebook is a hit in Pakistan” (Over 333,000 Members) http://www.ndtv.com/news/world/halal-version-of-fa... Hindustan Times: “Islam has a branding problem: M i l l a t facebook CEO” http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/cutting-the-edge/2... i l l a t facebook-ceo/#comments Ratio Netherlands Worldwide: “Pakistan launches Facebook for the faithful” http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/pakistan-launche... Lets show them that "Yes We Can NB: Please send this message to all those who are in your circle and prove that we are Muslim and decent people who can do anything for the love of beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

fathah | 14 years ago | Reply assalamu 'alaykum. hello, I'm from Indonesia, and i'd like to share my opinion bout this it's quite a hot debate u had anyway :) first let's think again why some people wanna boycott fb. as far my research goes, it's because: 1) privacy contents, which has been repaired 2) the injustice towards islam, such a few of our friends had said before. and why some people no support millatFB (MFB): 1) a very clear sign of piracy 2)accusation of hipocricy, taking advantage by 'selling' religion. it's enough i think. for point 1 boycooting FB, it is solved i belive. and point 1 of MFB is also solved, i think we should agree on that. let's take a look at point 2 for FB. based on some (if not many) evidence, some of 'em had been stated here, it is so clear that facebook is not balanced in islamic issues. that's why some people wanna 'hijrah' to other kind of social networking. and I believe it's a good thing IF u r do it by your own will. but as you know, there's no other websites as practical as FB in many aspects. that's why some people stay using FB, as myself. because I can contact my friends easily. so until there is a website at least AS CAPABLE AS FB and not a COPYPASTERS maybe i won't leave. my point is, moving from FB is good IF it has more benefit than harm to you. but in my case, ISLAM teach us to stay connect with friends and family and in MY CASE, i can't connect to most of my friends without FB WHICH IS WHY i still use FB. and about the page, just like our brother Hunain Ali said, it's better to not open nor said anything to a page wich is opposing Islam coz in will only increase the popularity. but for the other who quit their FB i give you my respects for doing that which is also a good thing. however, for those suppor MFB I kindly but strongly ask to all of you please make another web which is not copy-pasting someone else's, because OUR RELIGION TAUGHT US NOT TO STEAL. and if you have done it, and it's as practical as FB, please let me know coz insya Allah I will join you too :) ps: please be kind to others when u give ur opinion as Islam taught us

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noman khan | 14 years ago | Reply Assalam-o-alaikum.we are not missing to facebook.because we love MOHAMMAD(S.A.W) so much.. we don't love facebook.we heat this...

Hunain Ali | 14 years ago | Reply Nabeel: Happy Quitting, I hope you won't use Facebook ever again, I feel kinda at peace when i think Facebook will be all cleaned up :D O btw, since you are not using Facebook, Let me tell you that Facebook has renewed its privacy settings..but then since you are not using Facebook and you don't want to accept so be it that way ! Happy Quiting ! Hamza Baloch: Thank you for the correction in name :) All i would say to you is that support MillatFacebook till the end..MillatFacebook will be filled with people like you and that gives a clear idea about the members :D, Happy MillatFacebooking :P, o btw ask the creator to change the name..cos till you have that name associated with you guys, you can't seem to get away from the fact the Facebook is still the most popular social networking website :P I would like to wrap this thread with the last words of my comment.. All you who support MillatFacebook, Go join it and meet the 'Sweet People' :P and those do not want to join don't ask them to praise/join your 'extraordinary' social networking website..I didn't ask anyone to continue using Facebook or Not to use MillatFacebook..Did i ? so end of the day conclusion of all the comments is, You go and join MillatFacebook and preach whatever you want to the 'Sweet People' of the world :P I won't be commenting here anymore so Happy Quitting to all who have Left Facebook :) and those still want to access and can't, Click and drop me a message. Thank you all ! Adios !!

Nabeel | Create Your First Website | 14 years ago | Reply It's funny, on the same day that the ban will be lifted in Pakistan (May 31), is Quit Facebook Day: QuitFacebookDay.com 23,777 have committed to the day. They are quitting because of privacy concerns. The project to watch for is Diaspora (an open source alternative to Facebook, which is privacy aware, personally controlled, do-it-all, distributed, free, social network): Decentralize the web with Diaspora Diaspora Website So far it has got fundings/donations of $191,482.

Hamza Baloch | 14 years ago | Reply Lil correction of my last post.. fb started from 2004/

Hamza Baloch | 14 years ago | Reply Hunain Ali Dear, now i hope name is right now. yes facebooks is consider now as "about the market value,worldwide acceptance", but at the beginning its was started as social network, and than become popular even after 3 years of its birth. So if Pakistani people are doing to make such step than i think we should support them rather than makin jokes about the "name" only. We can preach Islam, people form all the glob can join Millat fb if we 1st we try to use it and suggest the maker for improvements.

saad | 14 years ago | Reply i m confused .. wat u guys wana say ? .. do u want to use the same social network under the same admins of that network who ignored your reports abt that page .. who IGNORED u all ... tell me onething . if any of ur relative/neighbor/friend insults ur parents , wil you still like him ?? .. wil you still keep that relation with him ?? .. will u still b his friend ?? ... if someone make joke of ur parents , wud u still remain in-touch with him ??? .... is anyone there wud bare the insult of his parents ?? .. if the boss of your company insult ur parents very agressively wat wud u do ??? wud u like to keep working under him bcoze he is the employer ??? (and all this without any reason without anything else just to offend u ) .. i think NO, Never you'll resign and start searching for another job... RIGHT ???? ... then why not wer doing the same with FB .. i think now we have to think seriously abt the alternates, instead of keeping sticked with FB the guys who r not listening to us and dont care abt our emotions .... i m not saying to join millatfb , but we have to b less dependant on others and more dependant on ourselves ..... why u guys think that nobody may compete to FB .. where they started from ?? .. Facebook was founded by Mark Zuckerberg with his college roommates and fellow computer science students Eduardo Saverin, Dustin Moskovitz and Chris Hughes.[5] The website's membership was initially limited by the founders to Harvard students,..... plz tell me if u guys agree to me or not ??? .. i'll like to see response ..

Faryal Tahir | 14 years ago | Reply Haha LHCBA made people wear the traditional lose pants, you would so be busy covering your body and stop all nath pajj :D

Bangash | 14 years ago | Reply The vast majority of "Sweet Muslims" live in the poorest and under-developed countries of the world, where they don't even have electricity, let alone a computer. MillatRipOff does not have many potential customers.

Asad Hasnain | 14 years ago | Reply OMG!! lol cant help but laugh on seeing how faarigh people have become to comment on comments instead on the piece of writing... and making comments bigger than the original text it self .. LOL hahahhaa and that Millat fan oops i mean Millat face book is really a phuss site not even 50% as good as fb :p Lolz on the punch line, it says.. "MillatFacebook helps you connect and share with more than 1.57 Billion Muslims and Sweet people from other Religions." hahahahahahah!!!!!!! are you selling some kind of washing powder :p :p :p

Hunain Ali | 14 years ago | Reply Sarah: Thanks, I always believe in talking things out..cos when you sit and talk with both the persons wanting to hear each other, there's always a solution at the end of the conversation either of them will accept other's opinion. As for MillatFB..Tribune reported it "thumbs down" yesterday i guess :) and regardless of the fact no matter what you do, getting a worldwide presence is not an easy thing and then you tell yourself as an alternate to the world's most popular social network :)..Wooo Dream ON ! Qudsia Ahmed: Thank God, I got one more person who doesn't support the ban :) IF you ask my opinion It was never about social networking..although i condemned the ban because it is not the SOLUTION, blocking something is not the right way :s, I condemned the ban cos a lot of Pakistani companies have invested in Facebook in terms of advertisement, a lot of companies have their official pages on Facebook and they sure used it for interacting with their customers..I condemned the ban cos many people among us are the ones who are into online business and their customer base was badly affected, I do personally know few. My question always was, Who was affected by the ban ? FB or people like us ? Anyhow, I just made my opinion clear. Overall, a nice comment. At least different than what has been going on earlier. :)

Qudsia Ahmed | 14 years ago | Reply Well I have a bit of different opinion about the entire scenario. I can find hypocrisy in many of the below listed comments. My thoughts are not to offend anyone, could be acknowledged or criticized! Why do we need a ban? Are we insane? Don't we understand things? Can't we differentiate between right and wrong? Are we bound to be in restrictions? Are we so called Danday wali Qoum? Its so human if you're bound to restrictions you would never get to understand its point unless and until you yourself follow it with your own freewill. A ban may seem to be useful for sometime but its consistency is not possible. I don't support a ban, we are Alhumdulillah wise enough to opt for good or evil.... The disrespectful social page was actually the problem - Solution: was to report it, quit it or Boycott it. Right! Everyone agrees to it and almost every Muslim reported against the page. Now Facebook itself has been found biased, a supporter of the page or concept - Solution: Now whats the solution? People are talking about their social network, which is getting an extreme hit because of the ban. I was just wondering that what makes a network? A group of people right - When 60% to 70% of the Pakistani based network (Family & Friends) is not using FB then what kinda network we people are talking about. Weren't we living before Facebook? Didn't we have access to games before Facebook? Were we out of contact with our family and friends without Facebook? A question mark for me... Probably Facebook is an addiction for some....

Sarah | 14 years ago | Reply Oh! I can see many stock holders of MILLAT FACEBOOK here lolz Well good work guys, i hope you would have put this much effort in tolerating the stupid stuff. Atleast to my understanding of Islam, this is what The Holy Prophet did to his haters, and His great endurance resulted in many converted to Islam. If someone is bad doesn not mean be become bad on competition. We must not forget we are people of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) and this attitude is not what he taught us. Anyways all the best with your millat thing. Lets see how far it goes. And mr. Nabeel, great effort man but quite lame. You can find totally opposite links too on the same search engines that you used. Its difference of opinion, you can find all sorta views. And you quoted the ones that were same as yours. But great effort in trying to prove your point. Hunain Ali once again way to go for being consistant and firm i really appreciate :)

Hunain Ali | 14 years ago | Reply O btw, My name is Hunain not Husnain. I am a bit touchy when it comes to my name..so please make sure you don't mess that :)

Hunain Ali | 14 years ago | Reply Hamza: I am not bound to report you what i am doing, Yes i said that you cannot replace Facebook. It is not about the website, It is about the market value,worldwide acceptance. You don't get it mate..i have been telling this earlier that NO one except Pakistan is acting like this. There are people who don't even know about this controversy. You get my point..you can get this MillatFacebook famous in Pakistan..but getting that accepted worldwide..Dream ON ! Lets suppose I am wrong, we'll see how well MillatFacebook does ! You are here..I am here. We'll see.

saif ur rehman | 14 years ago | Reply It is good step to establish our domestic product.we should promote & encourage our domestic products for the best of our GREAT PAKISTAN.

Hamza Baloch | 14 years ago | Reply Husnain and muneeb .. dear, muslims are replying on different forums,as you people also now the their are hundreds of other materials against Islam, and muslim have courage to reply and they are relying. but sory to say,you people feel that we dont have courage to make facebook so better to use it. even they did not fallow their own rules about that removed page but still as you people thing you have no power so convince yourself to"justify" their every action!

Hunain Ali | 14 years ago | Reply Sarah: well I don't think we should feel bad..this is aint no fluke, i didn't forge it, this snapshot is real which depicts the achievement of our great great boycott team..(I am seriously thinking to award them as the World's best marketing team :s) Our people made this happen. They think they have brought FB to its knees, instead this is what actually has been happening around. well, IF you could see my friend list @ FB, u will see that i have many friends from all over the world..during my recent conversations with many of them I came to know the fact many muslims around the world don't even know about the FB controversy :), what do you call it, Is it just we who are most loyal to our religion and the rest are just muslims for the namesake ? BS, I mean few of my friends who are in US are unaware of any such scenario, so I believe as always there is a certain group who always cash themselves using the religion and they did the same this time as well..:) Few gora goris who are very good friends of mine supported me in the issue unlike my own muslim fellas who are still bombarding my Inbox with emails cursing me and abusing me :D I like the suggestion about the group..but then i think i don't want to do what the other side have been doing..creating a group will engage us in more debates, endless conversations, [mental stress :D] as I am quite sure that the 'boycott team' will join the group and do what they do best :D and they might even report the group since they would find it offensive :P :D

Muriam Butt | 14 years ago | Reply @ MZulqarnain ....very well....:)

Muriam Butt | 14 years ago | Reply @ Sultan.... thankx for such a precious post.... we all should writing blogs on this issue to clearfy our point of view about blasphemy law and about ous great Prophet..istead wasting our energies on thinking whether Ban on FB is right or wrong..... May Allah bless all of us...

basma | 14 years ago | Reply i would like to quote an ayat too it says in Surah Furqaan 'when a beliver passes a useless thing he passes as a noble person' im completely dissapointed to see that none of us have acted nobily infact weve acted like free billboards for them where we've advertized the page for them more than they could hv done themselves thanks to r brian storming judgements

Nabeel | Create Your First Website | 14 years ago | Reply Facebook’s Downfall has started because of privacy concerns. "A recent poll from Sophos found that an estimated 60 percent of users are considering quitting Facebook over privacy issues." "More than 11,000 people have committed to ditching the social-networking site on May 31, according to QuitFacebookDay.com." "And more people are searching Google for ways to delete their Facebook accounts than ever, according to the Search Engine Land blog." Some say there will be a mass exodus. The Diaspora Project, an open-source alternative to Facebook is about to hit $100,000 in donations. Now, Time For some links: More people think about deleting Facebook accounts? Deleting your Facebook account (FAQ) Why you shouldn’t believe ‘Facebook backlash’ numbers Growing On Google, People Asking “How Do I Delete My Facebook Account” (May 10) One-on-one with Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg Non-muslims are leaving Facebook because of privacy concerns, and we guys cannot leave it for our Holy Prophet (S.A.W.)?

MZulqarnain | 14 years ago | Reply Well, I was really disappointed by going through the views of most of peoples here! I would like to quote a Hadis "You can't be a true Muslim until you love PBUH (Salla ho Alaiha Wasalam) more then your father,mother, sister,brother and any one you love most" So how could we bear such blasphemous and caricature by any one either Morry Monnis, Denish Cartoonist or Facebook etc. You guys said that "Draw Muhammad Day" was hosted by a fake fan?, if you read carefully you will know that this event was officially hosted and support by facebook with the intent to host this even every year. Now you guys said that they have removed such content and FB should be resume now? Don't you know they are hosting another event on 10th July Called "Show Muhammad Day" http://www.facebook.com/pages/Show-Mohammed-Day/121228857900451 followed up by backup link; http://showmohammed.com/ They called it "freedom of expression" or hurting the feelings of other religions believers!, What happened to their freedom of expression believe if you host or talk about Holocaust on FB?, Just try and see it would banned immediately! There is another Hadith: "If you saw a SIN, Stop it by force, If you can't stop it by force, Protest against it, Even if you can't protest against it, Think it as a wrong and this is the lowest level of your Iman" But here I can see the views of people who are thinking even below the lowest level, and asking for source of SIN to be continue! No one is forced to join pakfacebook or millatfacebook, You were also not forced to join FB. It is state responsibility, if people of their state are involved in such activity which are not as per the law of their country/religion and are mention as criminal act, they should stop it and Lahore High court have done same. Even as per recent order of Session Court Lahore, Instruction are given to RIT FIR against the owner of Facebook to get them arrest as per International Law by using Interpoll in the same manner American used to get Pakistan Abroad, e.g: Dr. Affia Siddique case! This was the first time in the history of Pakistan and in the history of Muslim some one has taken strong re-action against those mad guys! else you have seen in the history that whenever some one has publish these caricatures nothing happened other then just few statements and showing protest in front of media by Govt & NGOs. This protest has been noticed by World and if you wouldn't have react this time by any mean e.g; blocking websites, protesting in International Media, following it through legal act, that time is no more far when every non-muslim would be willing and doing same activity. So it is not the matter of indvidual to decide either he is about to block his account or not, This is national issue now and being a nation of Pakistan we have to obey the law created/inforced by Govt. Court. Decide your self, what is wrong and right! I am not going to answer any of reply here! Do self justice, Allah Almighty may bless you and point you to right Direction! Thanks Regards, Muhammad Zulqarnain

ABCDXYZ | 14 years ago | Reply Boo Boo = MILLAT FACEBOOK hahaha This is the joke of the century. They think they can beat or even compare with FB. The actual FB. Come on man. WAKE UP! Is it an online madrisa? or Is it a matrimonial website? for complete pure pakistani muslim men and women. Who are certified muslims from some talibaan groups? Woops sorry for my rude words but i cant help them. They came staright from my heart. What world is pakistan living in? i think its still dor-r-jalahat. Islam still needs to come here. We are occupied by MULLAHISM and HINDUISM. Well in short I dont agree to this permanent bann idea it sounds so stupid. LIFT THE BANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Sarah | 14 years ago | Reply Lolzz @ Sultan's post I slept while reading it. Mishal: Awesome girl! Way to go. Really nice to see some girls talking sensible here. Bisma: Way to go to you too! Welldone guys!

Sarah | 14 years ago | Reply @ Hunain Ali I saw the link and i really feel very bad about his comments for pakistan. I suggest why dont you make a group on FB for those people who are like minded like us. And they dont agree to a permanent bann. We can join hands to share the path of love and peace in Islam to some moderate and sane people of the world. I saw some groups on FB where even some gora gori's also were against the anti-islamic material. In this way we can find people who are against blasphemous material against Islam and others too. This is just a suggestion, rest you can share your views on this idea :) Regards!

Mehroz Siraj Sadruddin | 14 years ago | Reply What do you people think about this link?? http://theburningissue.wordpress.com/2010/05/26/a-case-of-misplaced-priorities/

haseeb alam | 14 years ago | Reply hats to FB........... we have our own pakistani social network. www.firstpk.com

basma | 14 years ago | Reply OH no this is so embarrasing MILLATFACEBOOK someone plz tell me im dreaming pakistanis are so out of ideas copying sites is there nothing left on earth to do.And for all those ppl who want to keep talking about theri prophet im so sorry t remind u guys yr forgetting yr islam yr religion is incomplete unless u follow all the prophets before prophet muhammad too u guys simply ignore any GHUSTAKHANA KHAKAY or movies on them u will want to talk abt how bruce all mighty was or how the ten commandments was u'll play them over yr movie channels but when it comes to prophet muhammad in THE messenger u'll start shouting that the holy prophet is shown in the movie wat abt the other prophets im so sorry to say u guys have double standards and u seriously need to rethink and when it comes to the ELITE CLASS kids that the tribune is seen quoting everyone who is against the banning of fb i'll want to correct u there its not abt 'urdu mediumers and english mediumers' firstly there exists no such words its urdu medium and english medium its not abt urdu medium and english medium its abt using yr brains thats why we stand here today which is no where coz ppl who do use their brains that is to say negatively can make the crowd go in any direction they want to and r INNOCENT ppl will tend to follow them coz its abt ISLAM. u guys need to clear up yr concepts of islam thats the basic difference between urdu medium n english medium we r made to think and not act dumb and follow without thinking if the holy prophet had ever wanted to take revenge HE would have asked the angel to kill the ppl of taif but he dint right why coz he never wanted to potray islam as a voilent religion remember we study this at school 'islam is a religion of peace' uve proved yr point by banning it its now over it did not make a difference the government used all yr emotions to cover up themselves n they got round it while all of u were engaged fighting for a site. what difference did it make ya they banned the page 2 days after the competition was over. u did nothing it woukd have been better if we woukd hv intellectually stood n fought with them but im so sorry to say that most of us lack the vision to see things around they only see wat is shown to them and at the end of the day its my choice of wat i want to use and wat i dont they dont have the right to impose something on me the best thing i would do is IGNORE and do something that promotes my religion in a more positive sense not in the sense of emotionally hyperactive ppl

Mishal | 14 years ago | Reply Millatfacebook. What a joke. They've made a mockery out of not only themselves but the whole country. Could they not even have come up with some other name for it. Why facebook? especially if they hate it so much. A genuine, reasoned complaint to the Facebook management might have sufficed to resolve the issue. But its just so typical of us to overreact. I agree with the view that those who do not want to use facebook are better off staying off it. Lets not stop those who do want to use it. Not all of us view the situation the same way. Shame on the LHC, the PTA, the Govt and all those who are going mad protesting Facebook for further alienating Pakistan and moderate Muslims from the world. Thanks a lot you guys.

Hunain Ali | 14 years ago | Reply Sarah: Thanks for the post :), Good to know there are people who have the courage to speak what they think rather than following the rest like a flock such as Boa, Muneeb, You..Yeah i agree and so i said earlier when it comes to religion..we stop thinking, we stop listening, we stop understanding. I never said what happened wasn't wrong but i did say IF you wanna fight them..fight the right way..running away from the place won't help in anyway. Thanks to some 'contractors' of Islam who believe they are the only ones who know what Islam is, have taught our people that the only way is Boycott..convincing them by telling fake facts..such as 'quitting FB will brought it to its knees'..'FB earns from its users'..'Leave facebook for the sake of your religion'..'Muslims generate 40% of Facebook revenue' and bla bla bla and poor people who believe everything those SOBs say.. As for the creator of that page..wanna see how he praised our country in golden words.."Pakistan has created more publicity for this page than you could even imagine". Since you are using Facebook, here's a reference link..Click here Go and read it yourself..I ain't giving any crappy facts :s I am not very +ve about the govt either..so won't talk abt it. Whereas as for MillatFacebook, don't you ppl found it funny?? :D Talking to Facebook will be a nice idea :D :evil grin:..I am seriously thinking about it..ummm.

sultan | 14 years ago | Reply With the latest in-your-face act of the Facebook, the issue is once again attracting headlines. Should Muslims react? How should they react? Where do they stand on the philosophical issue underlying all this? In the media the issue has been framed as a clash between two camps. One camp stands for freedom of expression. The other wants to curtail it. Needless to say the first camp is enlightened and virtuous. The other is a relic of the dark ages. The clash in other words is between a civilized and civilizing West and Islam that just refuses to be civilized. Once you accept this framing of the whole issue, the outcome is already decided. Are you for freedom of expression or not? It is a loaded question, and just like the yes/no question, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" no matter how you answer it, you remain guilty. Look at the typical Muslim response which begins, "We also believe in freedom of expression but…" It matters little what you say after that. It is obvious that you are trying to add exclusions and limitations to a basic moral value while the other side is asking for no such limits. It is not difficult to see which side will come out ahead. But this predicament is a result of uncritically accepting a false statement about the nature of the clash. For the real clash is not between those who are for and those who are against a freedom. Rather it is between two different freedoms. On the one hand is the freedom to insult. On the other is freedom from insult. Whether it was the Satanic Verses of the 1980s or the Cartoons of 2005 and their endless reproduction since then, if they stand for any freedom, it is freedom to insult. Pure and simple. Muslims, on the other hand, have stood for and demanded freedom from insult. Nothing more. Nothing less. These are certainly opposing values. You can be for one or the other. And the question does arise, which one is a better value. To see that let us imagine a society that truly believes in the first as a cherished moral value. It celebrates freedom to insult and guards it at all costs. Every member of it enjoys this freedom and practices it regularly. In a business everyone insults everyone else. The boss is insulting the employees, the employees are insulting the bosses. The salesmen are insulting the customers. The accountants are insulting the creditors. Everyone is enjoying the great freedom to insult. The same is true of the home. The parents are always insulting the children. The children are constantly insulting the parents. The spouses are incessantly insulting each other. And in doing so they all stand on the high moral ground because freedom to insult is such a fundamental freedom on which the society is built. Actually contrary to the claims of the pundits if the Western society was truly built on this "cherished moral value," it would have perished a long time ago --- consumed by the fires of hatred and negativity generated by this freedom. No home, no neighborhood, no village, no business, no organization and no society can survive for long if it makes freedom to insult as a cornerstone of its freedoms. Clearly most who advocate this freedom do not practice it in their daily lives. But they are making an exception in the case of Islam and Muslims. The driving force behind this is not any great moral principle but a deep rooted hatred born of ignorance. Software professionals sometimes use a term called beature. It stands for a bug turned into a feature. A bug is a defect in the software. A feature, on the other hand, is a desirable attribute. A beature is a defect that is presented (thanks to slick marketing) as a feature. Freedom to insult is also a beature. It is the growing sickness of Islamophobia in the West which is being presented as a high moral value, packaged by the slick marketing departments as freedom of expression. Well, whether or not freedom to insult is a Western value, Islam has nothing to do with it. It lays emphasis on its exact opposite: the freedom from insult. It values human dignity, decency, and harmony in the society. The freedom of religion it ensures includes freedom from insults. While it does not shy away from academic discussion of its beliefs and showing the falsehood of non-Islamic beliefs, it makes sure that the discussion remains civil. In those discussions it wants to engage the intellect of its opponents; in contrast those who itch to insult their opponents are interested in satisfying their vulgar emotions. Thus while its most important battle is against false gods it asks its followers to refrain from reviling them. (Qur'an, Al-anam, 6:108). It also reminds them to stay away from harsh speech. "Allah loves not the utterance of harsh speech save by one who has been wronged." (Qur'an, Al-Nisa, 4:148). Prophet Muhammad, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, who is being reviled by the scum of the world, taught Muslims to never let the low moral standards of their adversaries dictate theirs. As a result of these teachings Muslims can never even imagine insulting any Prophet --- from Adam to Moses to Jesus to Muhammad, peace be upon them all. Even when they ruled the world, Muslims treated the religious leaders of non-Muslim also with respect – even during battles. In the Baghdad court Jewish and Christian scholars engaged in open discussions with the Muslim savants. Needless to say they had not been attracted by the freedom to insult but its exact opposite. Freedom from insult is a fundamental value that assures peace and harmony. It leads to healthy societies. And Muslims are very proud of their impeccable record here. What is true of a home or a village is also true of the world as it has become a global village. Now, more than ever before, the world needs the harmony and tolerance that can only be assured by the freedom from insults.

Afficer Khan | 14 years ago | Reply with facebook or without it, all the blasphemous materials is just a click away, so what is the point in banning this website and that? is it so that the children of the elite class or that studying in english medium are lesser muslims than those of madressahs or urdu medium? a teenager was raped for 5 months in lahore and nobody no lawyer no IJT dared to raise any voice against this. is facebook the only bad thing left in our lives? if somebody think facebook is evil then dont use it please. the choice is personal. there is no force in islam. internet was invented by a kaafir so all those freaks dont use it...

Sarah | 14 years ago | Reply Hunain Ali: Thankyou for your post. Yes i absolutely understand how you would have felt in the group. The biggest problenm of our nation is that when it comes to ISLAM they dont act wise, calmn, mature and strategic. They act emotional, hot temepered, hasteous and abrupt. Which usually ends up in a bigger mess. Although our intentions are correct. But the way you express can change the entitre meaning. I really appreciate You, Boa, Dr Adnan, Muneeb, And sorry if I am forgetting names, but all those who dared to step foward and talk sensible. Yes i am also using FB and will keep on doing that. I agree to one of the previous posts that "the guy who started all this will be njoying massive power right now by hostaging entire pakistani crowd" but i hope our govt and so called adminstrators understand these global tricks of west. They wanted to wipe us out, and we successfully supported them in doing that. As far as that MILLAT or PAK FACEBOOK is concerned, i still cant help laughing. PLZ PLZ FACEBOOK SUE THEM! I will be first one to support you for the sue, lolz All the best guys, keep up the good work!

Muneeb Ahmed | 14 years ago | Reply and i forgot to say there are numerous groups on facebook as well promoting Islam and our ideology... if anyone of us is incapable of defending this ideology i think he/she should embrace some other ideology...

Muneeb Ahmed | 14 years ago | Reply my point of copying the layout is based on the fact that we are NOT capable of innovation.. we do not use our brains the way we ought to do...we just copy copy copy and paste everything to satisfy our needs...

Hunain Ali | 14 years ago | Reply Asghar: Oh no they won't ban google, as i said previously they will wake up one day and they will pass on a order to block entire Internet :D

Hunain Ali | 14 years ago | Reply Sarah: Thanks :), I missed your post earlier, you know what when i started opposing the 'other' group in their groups, I was like all alone..then after me people got the courage and then i had some beside my side but what i figured out was that people are afraid to speak up..atleast that is what i found at Facebook. I took the stand and I was called a traitor :D and at a certain group i was even called 'Qadiyani'..I found it quite funny :D But anyhow..regardless of what anyone say..I have been saying that Instead of the Boycott, this war could have been fought the right way. IF the ban is lifted which i don't think they will lift, I am waiting to see 'all those' who have been shouting that we won't use FB ever :P

Hunain Ali | 14 years ago | Reply Muneeb: Hats off mate ! Hamza: I guess you still don't have any idea what is being considered under the act of copyright, the way you have compared the design to comments gives us all the idea :), Take a closer look dude, I am pretty much sure that Facebook will sue MillatFacebook, IF not then i will suggest them to :P..LOL. On an honest note, It is a lame attempt :s cucumucz: Do you even know what Facebook is? How much did you use it ? Except for logging in once in a month or even once in 2 months or may be you didn't even logged in after creating your account..on the other hand..DO you even have an account there :D? well take this, I was using Facebook, I am using Facebook and I will keep using it :)..They can't STOP us and they should admit this :D @FB Supporters: Do some googling and you will figure out the way to use FB and IF you cant, I will be hoping around..:)

Asghar !! | 14 years ago | Reply Duh! Could somebody translate the language that Hamza Baloch is writing in !! As muslims we need to be more tolerant and to know when to turn the other cheek. Imagine the power that the individual who made that page is feeling. One man was able to shut the whole Pakistan down. There are loads of freaks out there, next somebody will add comments to google..so we ban that. Then they will add to yahoo and msn.... so we ban that too. What if someone writes remarks on google earth...ban that and the news channels will come up with google PAK-earth... I mean there is loads of crap on the internet too.... why not ban internet...

Danish | 14 years ago | Reply please LHC ban Jamiat, Jamat-i-(ghair)Islami, Taliban and JuD, they r real blasphemers of Islam.

Rabia | 14 years ago | Reply I dont want to comment of other person's point of view. Just want to share my view. " OPEN FACEBOOK "

Sarah | 14 years ago | Reply Way to Go MUNEED AHMED, I abosultely agree with you :) dont worry about the rest. As the biggest problem an unthinking man suffers is he believes he can think !!

Hamza Baloch | 14 years ago | Reply Muneeb ... dear i again repeat is there any copy right issue about this than certainly fb did something about this. so we can put comments in dawn.com than it does not mean you blame tribune for "copying" dawn style. there were already allot of social networks and facebook have alot thing "copied" from that. Soul .. dear(dont know your he or she) i replied sarah as she respond on my post.

Dr Muneeb | 14 years ago | Reply Mr Muneeb Ahmad has the same name as mine but there is this huge difference of opinion between the two of us. Sir, it time to wake up now.. You are trying to make a point telling that the Govt is not doing good by banning facebook when there are other problems "like corruption, stealing ,bribe, physical abuse are on the rise here.." Grow up yaar..!! Its like the thief when caught on scene by the a policeman argues that there is a thief who lives right next to my house; why is he not arrested?? Man, things don't change all of a sudden. We are unfortunately not living in the world of Harry Potter where everything can be made right with just the movement of a wand. The least we can do is praise the judiciary for all the good steps they are taking.

Boa | 14 years ago | Reply Thanks to all those who understood my point. Without any intentions of hurting anyone here. I just want to say again "Let the decision of using or not using FB be individual" Its right of every pakistani to decide. To people who favor banns: Trust me the moment these pakistani's will access FACEBOOK they will not use it only for fun. But they know how to answer them back the same way MUBEEN AHMED here quoted. Face to face, eye to eye. You guys want to keep away. Again offering you help with del an account permanently. So specially to Mr. Akber Chaudhry: U need to make a new political party dude. I am sure you can be a good addition to the list of our politians. You very much talk like them. Hope to hear more of public opinions. Then govt spoons or millat facebook share holders.

Soul | 14 years ago | Reply @ Hamza Baloch: any problem talking with the guys dude? I was just curious as in ur posts you only adresses two ladies here. And if you dun feel like using FB forever. Do get the tips on how to del an account from Boa and Hunain Ali

Akber Choudhry | 14 years ago | Reply When Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry was re-instated, there were some who said that it marks a new beginning for the country. The masses have tasted victory based on principle. There were a fair share of skeptics, but today we see it being fulfilled. What is the issue here: Facebook does not allow holocaust-denial pages to be seen in Austria, where it is illegal to deny the holocaust. Similarly, desecration of the Holy Prophet (saw) is illegal in Pakistan, yet it took no step to acknowledge or accede to the attempts by Pakistanis to engage with them on this matter. Content that is illegal in a country is illegal whether it comes in a book, or a CD, or over the wire, and the LHC was justified in asking the PTA to ensure that illegal content does not enter the country. The general population of Pakistanis supported the ban. However, children of the elite in Pakistan, who live in Pakistan but their minds are washed by Western propaganda, raised a hue and cry about 'free speech'. This issue was not about free speech -- it was the accommodation of an international platform to national laws -- something that all international content and platform providers have to do. Yesterday, when news of MillatFacebook got out, there were again snide remarks -- the same type of remarks that English-medium-ers usually use for Urdu-medium-ers. This site is looking to be a success, and it will be a success if we all get together, old and new, English-medium-ers and Urdu-medium-ers. All we need is the ability to share, and the vast majority of us were NOT talking to non-Pakistani people on Facebook anyways. Some people's understanding of English idiom may not be as good as others', but has that ever prevented the Chinese, Indians, or even Germans and Russians? The future of Pakistan is bright. We now know that success is not blocked by the elite, and it is achievable by conviction, hard work, unity and genuine concern for humankind -- یقین محکم، عمل پیہم، محبت فاتح عالم We should not isolate ourselves from the world, but yes, we should show ourselves capable of self-organization and demonstrate our national will. Without that, we will continue to doubt ourselves. Let me give you an example: Chinese and Americans are usually on friendly terms and work together for a better world. A few years ago, when a US spy plane was shot down, and the US was mis-reporting it, all Chinese youth in all parts of the world were locked in solidarity on the Internet - and US backed down from its demands within hours -- taken aback by the sentiment of the Chinese masses. The crisis died down -- and things continued as usual -- but a point had been made. Same here -- let us make a point -- and make this grow. Pakistan Zindabad.

Sarah | 14 years ago | Reply cucumucz: what a freaky name! Sounds more freaky that using fb

Sarah | 14 years ago | Reply Way to go muneeb ahmed i love ur post. Instead of using the bigger positive aspect we want to hide away from the smaller negative one. We are not banning fb but 2.5 million paki users are being banned from using their personal will of using fb or not. And hamza what percent of profit share u hold up in millat fb? along with mr. azhar siddique u too 'get a life'. Is banning fb the only way left to prove ur love for our beloved Prophet (P. B. U. H) U need to re-read the posts by most of our friends here explaining the stuff on bigger perspective and if u still dont understand then better back off. At leat m not interested in whatever point ur trying to make.

Muneeb Ahmed | 14 years ago | Reply well millatfacebook.com whatever it is,right from the start it has committed a crime of stealing facebook's design and frontpage image.... now anyone tell me is stealing considered a good deed or a sin in Islam?? as far as the facts are given on millatfacebook about financial loss to facebook they are all wrong...facebook has over 500million users worldwide and we constitute less than 0.5% of it... it is like they wont mind if 1 cent falls off from their pocket.. and tell me you lawyers who only know LAW that who is going to provide a secure environment to the users??? today social networking websites are prone to malicious cyber attacks... when government websites are not protected how come this millatfacebook?? banning wont stop blasphemy...closing your eyes in the face of the world is not a great idea to show our love for holy prophet Muhammad (PBUH)..instead we should defend our faith face to face, eye to eye... plus how can we and Govt. prove to be the protectors of Islam when sins like corruption, stealing ,bribe, physical abuse are on the rise here...

cucumucz | 14 years ago | Reply Some freaks will never stop using Facebook bcz of their stupidity.

Hamza Baloch | 14 years ago | Reply Baning of facebook is right. now if some one made a site like that is not a crime.. so just blaming the adovate is not a right thing.he can do that law allow him to do thiss!

Tanveer Khadim | 14 years ago | Reply Whats this Millat Facebook ??? its an absolutely a bad joke with all of us. Whoever has said that its name should be changed with Halal facebook is so much right. Temp fb ban was understandable upto some extent, but to ban it forever is no solution. What if someone uses the email or someother way to destribute this blasphemous material --- what will we do ... will block the whole internet to show our resentment to the world community ?? Definitely not a solution ! We should use the same platforms to raise our voices and to show our resenment to the western scholars and community. Standing united and with a same voice we can change the perspective of the western world, but sadly right now the steps like this Fb ban damaged our goals rather then helping us in promoting our religion. We have to use the latest technology to promote it, but by applying the ostrich policy and locking our selves indoors we cant do help ourselve but would definitely damage oureslves n our religion. Right now the situtation is quite questionable as the fb bann is not very much effective, alot of its users in Pakistan are using proxy options to reach their facebook accounts. This ban would never serve the purpose in long run as Pakistani people will use backdoors and other ways to use facebook. Concerned Authorities should consider all aspects of this ban before reaching any conclusion.

Soul | 14 years ago | Reply Millat facebook is so fake. They copied html coding of FB, facebook should sue them. And to Mr. Azhar Siddique "GET A LIFE MAN" OPEN FACEBOOK!!!

Tanveer Khadim | 14 years ago | Reply Whats this "millat Facebook" --- seriously its a joke, whoever called it to change the name of this with halal facebook is so much RIGHT. Are they trying to promote their own business here with the help of this fb ban ? Temp fb ban was absolutely right at that time but to ban it forever is no solution , what if someone emails or use someother way to destribute this blasphemous material on internet --- what will we do then ... will block whole internet to indicate our resentment? Definitely not a solution, the need of the hour is to stand united and talk to western scholars and educated masses by explaining them our point of view rather than lock ourselves indoors and by applying an ostrich policy . We should use the same platforms to show our views n our resentment.

Quraysh Khattak | 14 years ago | Reply OPEN FACEBOOK

Radical | 14 years ago | Reply So the reality unfolds: LAWYER Mr. AZHAR SIDDQUE owner of millat facebook, played a dirty game. What a third rated idea to promote his third rated website. That is by not means even 5% of the actual FB. Now isnt this more blamsphemous than the stupid page on FB. The people on FB were not even muslims, and here look at this crap pakistani lawyer, making money and business out of all this. Govt has no use of blocking FB other than promoting this idiot's business. OPEN FACEBOOK or NOT it doesnt effect even 0.05% of Fb's business dude's but instead effects your global image and questions the civilization of this nation. I wonder govt always plays a new game to hide away the previous failures. M sick of it now, badly need a govt change. Or change location, lolz This is ABSURD. Wake Up Guyzz

Hamza Baloch | 14 years ago | Reply Sadia ... was our country, softwared companies and ngos were not working befor fb? Sarah .. you are right there are thousands of articals agains ISLAM, but this issue is not only against Islam its against the PROPHET OF ISLAM, to whom people have love more than their father, sons and other relative. And second thing, the page was saved by facebook officialy. not an ordinary user done such kind of thing. And also facebook have their own ruled about spam and abuse reporting but the violated these rules.

Sarah | 14 years ago | Reply Hunain Ali I appeciate such a great post! And thanks to all those who are giving some cross checked views here. Amazing atleast we some of us understand these things. As far as this MILLAT FB is concerned. I cant help laughing. I love Zynga Games, and i am using Fb and will keep on doing that! Some crazy people can not stop us from using our rights and freedom. Thanks to all of your sane people for stepping forward and sharing views. Thankyou!

John Marston | 14 years ago | Reply No one has the right to impose their point of view on another's life. Which is precisely what proponents of the ban want. Since they deem the use of facebook to be sacrilegious, they believe no one should use it. It is MY choice, I will decide whether I wish to use facebook or not, please don't tell me otherwise. My love for the Prophet (SAS) is a personal matter, I can depict that love in any form I like. By banning facebook, not only has my social life come to a standstill (given that most of my friends live abroad), but a platform that I could've used to rebut those drawing caricatures and thereby fueling extreme reactions, has been taken away. Who's to stop people from making blasphemous pages on these stupid alternatives?

Hunain Ali | 14 years ago | Reply Millat Facebook..LMAO. I am sorry but i really cudn't stop laughing after reading that name..you really think you can beat Facebook with a platform like that ? Dream On ! Facebook has contracts with the leading companies of the world, Ever heard of Zynga ?? The largest online gaming platform with more than 15 Million active users per month is interlinked with Facebook and we talk about beating Facebook by making websites 'PakFacebook' and 'Millat Facebook' Boa: I completely agree to what you said. You don't wanna use Facebook, don't talk crap just delete the account (Those who don't know how to, Ask me i will tell you how :D :P) but Boa, as per my info or i would say rumours..They are not gonna lift the ban :), on an honest note, i don't even care now..I am using it now..I will keep using it ! I have been saying this in my previous comments earlier that IF you face a bad exp from a shop in a market, you don't boycott the entire market..you just don't go that shop. Damn it we just don't learn..we are nothing but a flock of sheep who is being controlled by a bunch of 'Shepherds' who use the religion to drive the flock and poor us who don't think anything when it comes to religion. Tell me something What is the outcome of banning Facebook ?? Did they go through a financial crisis or what ? I mean doing something which has nothing to do with anything..Damn. I hate these IJTs and Non sense people who cash themselves in such topics, Just like Few people who curse America but they are running their business in that same America.. Double Standards !

Afficer Khan | 14 years ago | Reply abu jahal abu lahab and all the great kuffar wore the same dress as the muslims, they ate the same food as the muslims, they drank from the same well as the muslims, they walked and rode the same paths and rode the same animals just like muslims...did our Holy Prophet (S.A.W) forbade the muslims not to use all these things because abu jahal or abu lahab were making jokes about muslims? no no no. even they spoke the same language as all the people did. now any body thinks that our president or his ministers or the so-called mullahs are more pious than the Prophet himself? kafirs are using internet so why should we use internet?kafirs use airplanes and cars and all the technology...above all kafir promote democracy so why all the lawyers are advocating democracy? so much hypocricy...

Asad | 14 years ago | Reply Millatfacebook is just a bad ripoff. Sorry but why do we really want to be isolated from the world like China and Saudia? People should have the right to access all the information they want from the internet. If you can not block Jihadi websites or porn websites from internet, then how come you've banned facebook which has many benefits as a matter of fact..

bilal | 14 years ago | Reply The only reason why facebook is banned because the government wants to increase their popularity amongst the masses...... if they are soo careful regarding islamic views why they dont ban drugs and prostitution ....... wait it is already ban rite !!!! Then from where those ministers get them from ........ hmmmm the point is if the government thinks that there pop will rise by banning facebook so they are wrong !!!!

Que | 14 years ago | Reply now fb should sue this MillatFacebook, you guys just copy and pasted all stuff, that is ridicules. the other meaning of boycott is like closing you eyes. if you can't do something right, don't close your eyes like a pigeon otherwise the world is gonna eat you!

uXuf | 14 years ago | Reply Ah come on guys, who are we deceiving except ourselves? "MillatFacebook"? Our so called lawyers, the guardians of the law, do not remember a simple concept like Intellectual Property? And they had the nerve to lift the homepage directly from Facebook! The whole thing is a ripoff, the site looks highly unprofessional and so does the team. Come on LPA/JAP whatever you are, get a life.

anonymous | 14 years ago | Reply it is a conspiracy of mr azhar siddique advocate who is the owner of millatfacebook. azhar siddique is the lawyer who got facebook banned to launch his version. Its a filthy tactics to use name of religion to throw pakistan into dark ages for sake of becoming a millionaire by using a pireated social networking script. wake up pakistani nation azhar siddique advocate has exploited the religious sentiments of this nation to achieve selfish personal goals.

Fraz Malik | 14 years ago | Reply Also Check: http://tribune.com.pk/story/15012/us-deplores-facebook-caricatures/ I want to add: I DONT SUPPORT USA OR THE CARTOONISTS, BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU GUYS. YOUR VOICE WAS HEARD. NOW SHOW THE REAL MUSLIM ATTITUDE. STOP BEING TALIBAANS

Fraz Malik | 14 years ago | Reply MUST CROSS CHECK: http://thecurrentaffairs.com

Fraz Malik | 14 years ago | Reply Thanks to all those with sane views and comments. To the couple of other people i just want to requets: "STOP EMOTIIONAL BLACKMAILING JUST BECAUSE YOUR INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTS WERE BLOCKED ON FB OR YOU PERSONALLY DONT FEEL LIKE USING IT" Alhamdulillah I am a Muslim by choice, not only by birth. I studied Islam before I actually started practicing it in life. And I just feel like quoting an example for all the muslims who claim to love The Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H); what was His attitude towards such actions? Remember the woman who use to throw trash on Nabi Pak? And He treated her with kindness in return. Which made that women feel ashamed of her disrespectful acts and convert to Islam. This should be a real muslim attitude towards any such thing. You wanted to condem and show your anger you did that successfully. Guys dont you read other news papers, websites, channels? You must know by now that we have successfully made our reaction come to notice. Now prolonging the bann or anything will now make us look like a stubborn crying baby. OPEN FACEBOOK PLZ!

Syed Khurram Anwar | 14 years ago | Reply I believe that Government want facebook, youtube and all such websites just to avoid the political criticism. I am totally against banning the facebook permanently. Any why no one is talking about youtube here? Court ordered to ban just facebook and government blocked the youtube, wikipedia, twitter, flikr as well. Wikipedia is working again I guess but just think, these are all the sites which were being used to criticize government.

Rohail | 14 years ago | Reply OPEN FACEBOOOK Guyz. The lawyers and islamic students asking for FB bann dont even use it themselves. And dont know what is it all about. Most of them think that FB on the whole is anti-islamic. Pleazzzzzzzzzzeeeeeeeee FOR HEAVEN's SAKE pass our voices to LHC, PTA etc that we the odinary FB users of PAK supported our govt for a temp bann. But we dont want a permanent one. It sounds ridiculous, specially when the pages are removed fronm FB and when Molly Morris (which will be murdered soon) also apologized. Now what guyz??? Stop this and open FB please I miss connecting to my family back in Dubai. Other muslim countries have not banned it. Then why only PAK is the voilent one. We have made our points clear now. Open Up!

Dee Jay | 14 years ago | Reply Completely agree with BOA. Such stupid pages and messes are everywhere in the world, against Islam as well as against Christianity too. I being associated to certain organization have an idea that fanatics are present in every community. Whether its muslims or christians or jews. Bann must be lifted now because we have made our point clear. And its really sick and silly to see new stupid pages popping up. I really laughed when someone said what name "Millat Facebook" why not "Halal Facebook" I swear this is really stupid. Facebook is popular because itr gives you a lot of things on one website. You dont need to more here and there. And no matter if its facebook or millat facebook. The haters will pop up even on those sites. So better not to steal the rights of individuals. If they dont want to continue with FB it should be their personal decision, rather than a decision imposed by the govt.

Afficer Khan | 14 years ago | Reply President zardari along with rehman malik and farooq naik and babar awan was the most criticized person on facebook by pakistani fans...IJT was the most hated group on facebook...politicians like jamshed dasti were the most ridiculed lot...so who getting by banning facebook? something in disguise...

Sarah | 14 years ago | Reply @ hamza i knw u wil not die without fb. But read boa's post again. Fb didnt created mess page itself. It was created by some fake user. 2ndly fb is more like a road or a footpath where all sorta people meet. We have more anti-islamic stuff going on within our country in various forms. Stopping fb wil not stop the non sense but wil provoke them to mess more. Just because a few fanatics messed up things u cant just bann the whole site forever, thats a very non proffessional and completely an emotional way of dealing with it. Anti islamic stuff is everywhere on the internet and other mediums. Blocking wont stop them from messing. As long as the page was not created by fb itself but some crazy user. I think this temp bann was a good signal of condemning now talking about quiting fb. That should be an individual decision rather than an imposed one.

Sohail | 14 years ago | Reply To all the 'so called' muslims and supporters of facebook!! Read it and for further details and screen shots follow the link below!! "By Saad Mustafa Warraich, Karachi – Pakistan I had been banned from Facebook and my account had been disabled a night before Facebook was banned in Pakistan. Before all this happened, I visited the blasphemous page “Draw Muhammad Day” and the content on the page hurt me badly. Once again a certain group of westerners called it the “freedom of expression” and went on to show extremism – something they always verbally disassociate themselves from. As a response to this lunacy, I thought it best to find out how they respond to others’ right of freedom of expression – I created an Adolf Hitler page right away and it read, “To all those who think they can ridicule Islam in the name of freedom of expression and yet punish those who speak of the genius of Hitler”. The comment on the wall read, “Let’s hit them where it hurts them the most”. Further I added some photos of the Fuhrer, Nazi Party and the Italian Footballer Paolo Di Canio who was banned and fined by FIFA two years ago for performing the “controversial” Roman Salute which according to him gave him a sense of belonging to his people. Within an hour tens of people joined the Hitler page which was named “H | T L E R”. The very next time I tried to log in I found out that my profile had been disabled for ‘violation of Facebook Regulations’." http://propakistani.pk/2010/05/23/one-facebook-two-faces-one-is-real-ugly/

Fauzan Sohail | 14 years ago | Reply MillatFacebook ... what a name to begin with! Why not name it 'HalalFacebook' instead! And has any one at this so called Judicial Activism Panel (JAP) bothered with a spelllings and grammar on the site? It's point blank ridiculous. And what is with the tag line: “Millat Facebook helps you connect and share with more than 1.57 billion Muslims and sweet people from other religions.” Seriously? Could you be any cheaper? To hell with this so called alternative! Give us back Facebook and YouTube! Pronto!

Shahd | 14 years ago | Reply Conflict of interest perhaps when the petitioner himself has started an alternative service? Oh, I forgot that lawyer community gangs to beat you up even if their own is a criminal.

Sadia Ali | 14 years ago | Reply @Hamza. Stupid idea. Banning would only be bad for us and Pakistan. Nobody will go for this millat facebook, just like nobody switched to Mecca Cola!

qasim | 14 years ago | Reply copy pasters always fail !

ARF | 14 years ago | Reply Open up FB again - those who do not want to connect back don't need to. I can guarantee all those voicing their opinion about the FB ban as great will be the first ones back. Le the so called happy people for the ban exercise restraint & stay off it for life. Let those who want to continue with FB get back on. We made our point with the ban - now lets move on. No political party siding with the ban is evidence enough - be nice to the Pakistani public for once & don't impose laws & rules on them without thinking twice.

Hamza Baloch | 14 years ago | Reply Boa and Sarah .. i was a very active member of fb. and also i have few pages also. we will not die if facebook baned. facebook deal the controversial issue officially. so it also a big chance they may done it again. anyhow they will do it or not thats another subject, this event was also condemned by other religious persons still they facebook is not hearing... so its better to ban it permanently.

Dr. Adnan | 14 years ago | Reply @Boa, I completely agree with you. - I would ask this MillatFacebook - To deliver services like facebook, I went to their about page and the stuff written there was completely non-professional, I mean who uses a smiley face on the damn company information section. Also lame* privacy policy (funny though it's just one line) now how can you defend your privacy options by using a online available script of "SocialEngine" then 6 lines of Terms and Condition ...checked the Mobile version completely laggy, and the team shows 6 people with no web development, C++, Python, PHP, Ajax, UNIX / Lunix experience, - now how the hell you can manage 1.6 Billion Muslims by just 6 people and un-secure privacy options. Well guess what within 10-15 days this site will be filled by fake dude's profiles looking for dumb chicks, and guys profiles depicting themselves as girls and trying to get 5000 friends lmfao OPEN FACEBOOK AGAIN

Sarah | 14 years ago | Reply plz pass our voice to LHC or PTA, they did a nice job by banning for a few days. But prolonging the bann is extreamist. The lawyers, islamic students or groups or even people asking for a permanent ban dont even use fb themselves. So they mostly think the entire fb is anti islamic. Plz guys stop exagerating when u are unable to forecast the effects. Its not just one fb. If someone wants to mess wid muslims or islam. It can be anywhere. So dare to face than to act emotional

Nadir El Edroos | 14 years ago | Reply sweet people from other religions!!! That sounds disturbingly sleazy! Looking to create or make friendshup eh?

Boa | 14 years ago | Reply ok so now the govt says: they r nt against tech n internet. Well then they should be scientific enough to know that, fb or any such website is like a public lobby. U'll find all kinda ppl, good or bad. And fb is nt any porno or anti islamic site. Its a social network where sum freaks made a stupid page. Thanku bt we dnt need any millat fb. Ppl who tak against fb are usually those who either dun use fb or dun knw much abt it. U wanted to condemn and express anger against draw day, u did that successfully, u got molly moris on feet n fb on loss. Nw what else crap u want? Cut down pak frm global platforms n making new self centered ones to please urself? Tel milat fb to get all my fb contacts automatically transfered to it, coz i lost ma family n frnds who wer connected. Give me the same facilities the actual fb is giving. Why the hel u guys dnt understand u already made ur point against draw day nw stop acting amature. Cut the crap and treat the issue by facing it rather than blocking the whole site 4 one crap page. I really hope i find sum sane ppl in pak who understand that cutting off from the world wil never solve or sort anything, instead wil leave the worst impression ever. Lift the ban plz, and a big SHUT UP! to those who talk crazy abt fb. Fb is much more than one stupid page, if u guys dun wana use it, thrz an opt to del an acc, go do that. But u cant hostage our liberty bcoz a few black sheep

GreenKonnection | 14 years ago | Reply GreenKonnection is a great alternative to facebook

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