Ceasefire violations: Pakistan, India talks end in stalemate

Published: January 15, 2013

During the 30-minute meeting, both sides refused to budge on their previously stated positions, accusing each other of provoking the shootings and lodged protests against each other. PHOTO: REUTERS/FILE

NEW DELHI / ISLAMABAD: 

Talks between military officials from Pakistan and India ended in a stalemate on Monday with the two sides accusing each other of violating the ceasefire at their heavily-militarised de facto border in the disputed Jammu and Kashmir region.

The talks were overshadowed by Indian army chief Gen Bikram Singh’s warning that India would retaliate for the killing of two of its soldiers on the Line of Control (LoC) at the “time and place of its choice”.

A brigadier-level flag meeting was held at Chakan-da-Bagh in Ponch Sector on the LoC to defuse tensions triggered by the recent border skirmishes, which killed four soldiers from both sides.

During the 30-minute meeting, both sides refused to budge on their previously stated positions, accusing each other of provoking the shootings and lodged protests against each other.

Pakistan strongly rejected Indian allegations that its troops resorted to unprovoked fire, attacked any Indian army post or killed Indian soldiers, according to a statement issued by the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR).

Pakistan strongly protested with Indian military authorities about the “continuous ceasefire violations, including an attempted raid by Indian troops on the LoC during the last one week”, it added.

The unprovoked firing and raid resulted in the killing of two Pakistani soldiers –Havaldar Ghulam Mohyuddin and Naik Muhammad Aslam – while one soldier, Sepoy Waseem, was injured, according to the statement.

It was conveyed [to Pakistan] in no uncertain terms that any repetition of such acts would not be tolerated, said an Indian official statement after the meeting.  “The Indian army reserves the right to retaliate at the place and time of our own choosing in case they recur,” it said, echoing Gen Singh’s remarks.

According to the Press Trust of India (PTI), the Indian side lodged a strong protest against the “heinous mutilation of our deceased soldiers’ bodies.”

A senior Pakistani military official strongly rejected the Indian allegations and reiterated the call for third-party investigations into the ceasefire violations.

The official told The Express Tribune that Pakistan was committed to abiding by the November 2003 ceasefire agreement, but reserved the right to strike back if its forces were attacked by Indian troops.

Gen Singh’s warning

Speaking at a press conference on the eve of Army Day prior to the flag meeting, Gen Singh said “we won’t remain passive when attacked,” adding that he expected the Indian “commanders to be aggressive and offensive”.

Regretting the beheading of Lance Naik Hemraj, he said the Indian army would have never indulged in such type of acts. “We give respect to the enemy’s bodies. These are our military values and you have seen this during the Kargil war,” Gen Singh reiterated. He added that the beheading was “unacceptable” and “unpardonable.”

He claimed the January 6 LoC violation was pre-planned and premeditated. “It [the attack] was stage-managed and pre-planned [by Pakistan]. They have planted lies to justify what they have done,” he alleged. However, he conceded “tactical errors” on the part of the local Indian unit stationed along the LoC and said an inquiry would be conducted to find out the truth. He dismissed the possibility of the shootings leading to a full-scale war.

Published in The Express Tribune, January 15th, 2013.

Reader Comments (18)

  • Arthur
    Jan 15, 2013 - 10:40AM

    Foolish to have expected anything else when one party to the negotiations is the state of Pakistan!

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  • raj
    Jan 15, 2013 - 10:42AM

    pakistan is already a joke………why wanna be a bigger joke ..??? its in no position to challenge india……….the gap between the two sides has increased since 65…..( in which of course we occupied lahore)

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  • Jan 15, 2013 - 10:54AM

    South Korea never attacks North. Why? Because its stable, growing, democratic and peace serves it better than violence.
    Same with India. India is a status quo country, stable, growing and democratic. Pakistan is none of that(I don’t consider Democracy minus civilian supremacy Democracy).

    Being a status quo power, that wants nothing from Pakistan but peace, why would India ever violate the ceasefire?

    Does anyone thing Pakistan started the 4 wars by accident? Its because peace doesn’t serve Pakistan’s interest. That is the reason it violates the ceasefire, to push infiltrators in, to disturb the apple cart of India.

    Even after so many wars and so many skirmishes and the corresponding lies, I can’t believe Pakistanis still think the violence was not started by Pakistan.

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  • Queen
    Jan 15, 2013 - 10:56AM

    It is useless to expect anything positive from the Indian side.

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  • Hindustani
    Jan 15, 2013 - 10:59AM

    Continuous Military to Military contact and cooperation is solution to trust deficit and tension between two armies. Continuous talks and discussion is the solution.

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  • Queen
    Jan 15, 2013 - 11:02AM

    @Arthur:
    Bro why don’t you advise India to conduct UN investigations into the attacks? Pakistan is tolerating India’s foolishness but don’t expect to remain silent for a very long time. We are ready to defend our homeland from “neighbors’ like your country.

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  • Bewildered
    Jan 15, 2013 - 11:05AM

    ““The Indian army reserves the right to retaliate at the place and time of our own choosing in case they recur,”

    Isn’t that response already happened in Quetta and Swat? Or, there is still some response coming?

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  • Faisal
    Jan 15, 2013 - 11:14AM

    Neithr of pak or ind are innocent this is gamd to devrt our attentnz frm more serious issues an gain some good points for up coming elections in both countries by blame each othrzRecommend

  • Faisal
    Jan 15, 2013 - 11:15AM

    Neithr of pak or ind are innocent this is game to devrt our attentnz frm more serious issues an gain some good points for up coming elections in both countries by blame each othrzRecommend

  • Political Analyst
    Jan 15, 2013 - 11:25AM

    India is really mad because pakistan beat indian cricket team in their home country …. They want to take it out on innocent Kashmiri people …. Shame on India

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  • Libra
    Jan 15, 2013 - 11:55AM

    Indians are habitual of threatening Pakistan and other neighbor countries. Pakistan is the biggest obstacle in Indian hegemony in the region. We stand like wall of steel, let’s this time do not just threat.

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  • Krishan Gopal Bagga
    Jan 15, 2013 - 11:59AM

    Before I offer my comments as a common citizen, I am proud of my country, army and citizens. The statement given by Gen. Singh is ““The Indian army reserves the right to retaliate at the place and time of our own choosing in case they recur,” What is time limit he has set – a day, fortnight, year, decade or when? Is it a first incident from Pakistani side? Although our defense forces are best and disciplines in the World, but it surprises me how the Pakistani soldiers entered in our line of control inside 500 mts. and beheaded one and mutilated the other! Why we were beaten inside our own territory and lost the life of two soldiers. Are we able to defend the war in case it breaks out?

    Remember, Pakistan is a rogue country, does’t understand our language. The reply must be given in his own language. Remember in The Ramayana it has been said “neech nitchai na taje narmata ke sang. Not only me but every citizen wants surgical strikes or drone like attacks or if possible a full fledged war to delete the Pakistan from World Map to bring peace, prosperity for millions of people.

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  • Clear Black Bag
    Jan 15, 2013 - 12:14PM

    ***”NEW DELHI / ISLAMABAD:Talks between military officials from Pakistan and India ended in a stalemate on Monday with the two sides accusing each other of violating the ceasefire at their heavily-militarised de facto border in the disputed Jammu and Kashmir region.”***
    When both countries are not ready to accept the responsibility of starting firing first most especially importantly India then why India doesn’t want to investigate it by the UNO?Because Pakistan has already informed UNO about the violations of LoC and has been requested for investigation but India is resisting and not ready for UNO’s investigation.Why?Or this has be believed that India’s resistance or denial means that India is responsible for this LoC’s unrest and wants to camouflage and disguise the realities and truths……Recommend

  • Clear Black Bag
    Jan 15, 2013 - 12:16PM

    “NEW DELHI / ISLAMABAD:Talks between military officials from Pakistan and India ended in a stalemate on Monday with the two sides accusing each other of violating the ceasefire at their heavily-militarised de facto border in the disputed Jammu and Kashmir region.”
    When both countries are not ready to accept the responsibility of starting firing first most especially importantly India then why India doesn’t want to investigate it by the UNO?Because Pakistan has already informed UNO about the violations of LoC and has been requested for investigation but India is resisting and not ready for UNO’s investigation.Why?Or this has be believed that India’s resistance or denial means that India is responsible for this LoC’s unrest and wants to camouflage and disguise the realities and truths……

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  • MrIndianAtheist
    Jan 15, 2013 - 1:48PM

    @Clear Black Bag:
    Pakistan first has to fulfill it obligations to past UN resolutions before it can ask for another UN intervention or or even UN investigation.
    1. Remove Pakistani militants and army personnel from POK and Gilgit Baltistan as per 1948 UNSC resolution.
    2. Ban JuD/LeT completely as directed by UNSC listing of 2008. They are still collecting donations openly in Pakistan and on Internet.
    3. Handover International terrorist Dawood Ibrahim to India as per UNSC listing of 2003. Its very easy to find him in Pakistan, ask Javed Miadad.
    4. Investigate and prosecute the group and people who sheltered Osama for so many years near Military camps.

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  • B
    Jan 15, 2013 - 1:48PM

    @Clear Black Bag:
    The answer lies with your name. The bag might be clear but it is black.

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  • Indian
    Jan 15, 2013 - 1:51PM

    @Clear Black Bag:
    India afraid of International investigation.India has had bad experience with international organizations.

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  • baba
    Jan 16, 2013 - 2:22PM

    Time has come for Pakistan to wipe india out of world map. The lieings, cheatings and brutality of India needs to end. we had had enough of it. Pakistan’s nuclear programme, missile system, air force is 100 times better than india. why not do a nuclear attack and finish this coward, orhtodox nation of cow urine drinker once for all. I urge Pakistani milatry to take a decisive move and put this scum bag india to its place. India must not forget kargil, mumbai attack and latest CBI website hack. Please finish these hindus once for all. To all Indians go check your media how scared you are of pakistani nuclear programm, missile etc..

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