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The water car fraud
Agha Waqar Ahmad’s ‘water kit’, if one believes science to be right, simply cannot work.
The writer received his bachelor degrees in electrical engineering and mathematics, as well as masters and Ph.D degrees, from MIT
Agha Waqar Ahmad deserves a medal from the people of Pakistan for his great service to the nation. In a few short days, he has exposed just how far Pakistan has fallen into the pit of ignorance and self-delusion. No practical joker could have demonstrated more dramatically the true nature of our country’s political leaders, popular TV anchors and famed scientists.
At first, it sounded like a joke: a self-styled engineer, trained in Khairpur’s polytechnic institute, claims to have invented a ‘water kit’ enabling any car to run on water alone. It didn’t matter that the rest of world couldn’t extract energy from water; he had done it. He promised a new Pakistan with limitless energy, no need for petrol or gas, and no more loadshedding. For an energy starved nation, it is a vision of paradise.
Agha Waqar Ahmad is now a national celebrity thanks to Religious Affairs Minister Khursheed Shah. Federal ministers Mir Hazar Khan Bijarani and Qamar Zaman Kaira have added their commendations. President Asif Ali Zardari has expressed his delight. The cabinet has met three times to discuss the water vehicle, and a fourth meeting is scheduled. Reports suggest millions may be spent on the ‘water fuel kit project’.
The media has rushed in to celebrate the new national hero. For TV anchor Talat Husain, thanks to Agha Waqar Ahmad’s invention, Pakistan’s image can go from a country ravaged by terrorism to one of boundless possibilities. Anchor Hamid Mir and Senator Parvaiz Rasheed drove around Islamabad sitting next to the inventor, wondering how to protect the man’s life from Western oil companies. Anchor Arshad Sharif was euphoric about the $14 billion Pakistan would save on oil imports.
Pakistan’s most celebrated scientists were not far behind. Asked by Anchor Sharif whether a car could run only on water, nuclear hero Dr Samar Mubarakmand replied without hesitation: “jee haan, bilkul ho sakta hai” (yes, absolutely possible). For his part, Hamid Mir asked Dr AQ Khan if there was any chance of this being a fraud. The response was clear: “Main nay apnay level per investigate kiya hai aur koi fraud waraud nahi kiya hai” (I have investigated the matter and there is no fraud involved). The head of the Pakistan Council of Scientific and Industrial Research, Dr Shaukat Parvaiz, went further: “hum nay bhi iss pay kam karaya tha” (we had some work done on this too).
So, what is the problem? It’s that the laws of physics, in particular a fundamental scientific principle known as the Second Law of Thermodynamics, impose inviolable constraints. Every machine constructed anywhere uses the Second Law. This is something that I learned in my first year as a student at MIT and have taught for 40 years. No serious scientist would dream of challenging the Second Law. Agha Waqar Ahmad’s ‘water kit’, if one believes science to be right, simply cannot work. What the inventor, the ministers, the anchors and scientists claim on TV is wrong.
To his credit, the only person on TV that seemed to know this elementary principle was Dr Attaur Rahman, a chemist and a former HEC chairman. I have not agreed with all his actions and views in the past, but he alone rejected the claims about the new machine. Sadly, he was not able to hold back the tide of a nation desperate for any answer to its energy woes.
The water fraud will be exposed soon enough and, like a bad posterior smell, will go away. A simple experiment will make this happen faster. Here’s how: take an emergency electricity generator, of which there are thousands in Islamabad. Its engine is similar to that in a car. Remove the fuel tank and make sure the ‘water kit’ contains only water. Then ask the inventor to connect it up and run the generator. Let there be enough sharp-eyed witnesses of intelligence and integrity.
But this episode raises bigger questions. Scientific frauds exist in other countries, but what explains their spectacular success in Pakistan? Answer: our leaders are lost in the dark, fumbling desperately for a miracle; our media is chasing spectacle, not truth; and our great scientists care more about being important than about evidence. It is easy for them all to get away with this. As a nation, we have proven unwilling to do the hard work needed to learn to reason, to be sceptical, to demand proof, to understand even basic science. It is easier to believe the world is run by magic and conspiracies, to wish and wait for Aladin’s magic lamp. We live in the age of jahilliya.
Published in The Express Tribune, August 3rd, 2012.
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It is interesting to read some comments where in spite of considering the laws of physics, they are rather striking back in such manners, as if it was a wrestling competition between ‘Science vs Sindh ka Beta’,…..come on folk, don’t be silly to such level.
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It is impossible to make a propotional motion machine. But it can make be possible.Water is composition of hydrogen and oxygen. Ist time you have to charge battery.Once it decompose in to two gases i.e hydrogen and oxygen it generate energy to run a car at the same time it charge the battery according to the requirement of decomposition of water. once the circle is start it can run the car.if some method is done like this way that during consumption oxygen again join hydrogen to make water then perputional machine is possible.
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i think most appropriate way to end all this mess it the solution that Dr. Atta ur Rehman suggested in Hamid Mir prog. Make a team of engineers who are proficient in fuel cells and let them investigate and find what is all the water kit frenzy about. Before this Agha guy runs to Singapore.
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I am wondering how Mr. Mubarakmand gave such a statement. How can then we believe on his other mega projects that he professes.
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THE Second LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS make by a human it can be wrong. Every thing is possible. A muslim Scientist in 5th century give the true shape of earth but Non Muslims not believe about another 1000 years but at last they belive in 17th century. Now another muslim change the law and prove to the world. Try to make it wrong. last only say truth is always truth.
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Everything aside, how can one believe that the car ran solely on the water kit during the demo and not on gasoline or CNG? The simplest test to prove or disprove this claim is to have the water kit power up an engine outside a vehicle (mounted on a test bench) with no other connected fuel feed. If it can run an engine in a car, it can run an engine out of it too. If Mr. Agha can prove that, he has achieved a scientific miracle and would deserve the accolades of the whole world (minus of course the oil lobby).
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You failed to provide any proof or evidence that waqar’s invention is a fraud. Let it be proven fraud first then write these articles.Recommend
How on earth did Pakistan ever build a reactor or bomb with scientists like the ones that fell for this? Seriously! No wonder Pakistan is heading backwards. Kudos for the scientist who rejected and no doubt laughed at the idea and those that believed it. If it was possible to do as claimed to run a car purely on water with a simple kit then I’m sure it would have been done by now – perhaps the so called ‘pure’ water required is mostly ethanol.
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Thomas Edison, the greatest of all time inventors, tried almost 300 times to invent a bulb. I repeat 300 times. What if he (Agha Waqar) failed this time or may be a number of times ahead. It is media that boosted the story and speculated it. You have done a wonderful job. BTW it is easy to be critical then be correct. Keep trying and one day the aforesaid commenter s/writer/anchors will pay tribute to you. Besides, the laws of Physics are not Heavenly verses, these can be verified/rectified or even nullified with the passage of time. Be Optimistic. Plz
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@Shoaib Shakir
@Haris
Please read this.
When Waqar was asked by The Express Tribune why he did not show up at NUST on Thursday, he said that the plan had changed. “The technical examination has now been deferred for an unidentified period of time and will not happen soon,” he said. When inquired to explain the reason for the deferral, Waqar simply hung up the phone.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/417246/water-world-dr-attaur-rehman-senses-a-scam-behind-man-touting-water-kit/
The Inventor has run away from the first Technical Evaluation.
Time to close this chapter.
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@Tanzeel: A law is something observed to be true in all circumstances. There never was a flat earth “law” – it was only ever an assumption that could be easily disproved by observing ships disappear over the horizon and then return. In science, a law is not an assumption or belief; a theory is not an unsubstantiated hunch.
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I belive things should be handle very carefuly and encorage the person even he have some mistakes in his invention. Moraly some of so called big doctor scientists are dis-respectful and have no idea how a teacher behave to encorage his student and if there is some issue should guide him in postive way. This all happening was dealed with very much carelessness from Big empty mind politicians and scientist those only who discurage this new student of science. Make this as first step to encorage all young students to come into the field of science and make inventions for progress of there nation and over come the energy crisis. This poor guy never did any crim , if there is flaws in his experiment we need to sit together and make it correct and take opportunity to take things into right direction.
I hope we all agree, and dont listen to the people who are working for other nations to dicorage our Pakisnati young students……Be respectful and encoraging
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@FrAud: L O L that was a great laugh , i hope you were joking one never knows with the type of things people are ready to believe these days.
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when will heads roll? http://www.brownpundits.com/2012/08/04/water-car-fever-begins-to-break-when-will-heads-roll/
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well as they say he is not the first person to be claiming of using water as a fuel , what we must think is that if anyone accomplishes this feat then the international mafia would not let him get away with it so we must not speak before we see it performed
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If you go back and look through history this is not the first time that someone has claimed to be able to power an internal combustion engine from water alone. Nikola Tesla had taken a keen interest in it as well back in the early 1900′s until he was blackballed. More recently we have had Stanley Meyers in the 1980′s who died mysteriously and there is Paul Pantone, who came with the same claims in 2005/06. He was later admitted to a mental institute. Both Stan Meyers and Paul Pantone got media coverage in the states and subsequently started working on different projects with the government…and were soon after blackballed. I leave to you to draw your own conclusion.
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Being a student of science i will only say this “Scientific laws can’t be true for ever. As science is not divine. If he claims to use hydrogen gas. some what extracted…. from H20 then whats problem with it…….”
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the thing is you cannot say that second law of thermodynamics is right because first it was claimed that earth is flat now that idea is totally change if you are claiming that this theory will not work then are you people blind he is showing it live every one from scientifc to engineering community has wathced it and they havent found any thing what attaur rehman gave pakistan despite putting billions of tax payers ruppes on hec just sending the specific groups abroad he is the real frauder agha waqar has invented his kit on his own financial resources not on any other
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Being MS in Mechanical Eng i dont believe in so called water kit what really amzaed me response of Dr Qadir & Samar (now i have doubt in his ability of so claim coal to electricity project as he blindly accept this water kit ) & not surprised with response of Sindhis Politician coz u can expect this from these Jahill & biased leaders
anyway to ciut it short simple solution is to test the car with reknowned laboratory & patenet his invention get the name in record book y he is afraid of testing it at some level what i see its a fraud to get some money & budget in the name of Water kit project after election Waqar Water kit will vanish & living in US with his invention
SAAEN TOO SAEEEN SAEEN KI GARRRI BHI SAEEEN
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water can be broken through electrolysis into carbon and oxygen my dear friends and in this situation the electricity from the generator is doing it.. so simple.. nice job scientist.. the “Real” scientist are there to just stay in there box of laws… thats good for them, u should atleast encourage it and try to confront with him instead of talking rubbish that nothing is possible..
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@Tanzeel, “There was a law once, that ‘earth is flat’.”
There was no such law. That the earth is round has been known from pretty early times. The Greeks measured the circumference of the earth from the library in Alexandria.
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let me teach u a “law of sensibility” before the “2nd law of thermodynamics”
“first prove it wrong, then speak about its wrongness’
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By reading the comments I think now it is very clear that second law of thermdynamics is man made law unlike blasphemy law which is divine. So second law of thermodynamics can be broken and water kit can indeed run a car without any additinal fuel.
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being a doctor i don’t know much about physics or it’s convoluted laws , but recalling some of the basic points of physics and chemistry that i learnt in my school and college days i can confidently say that the sheer amount of energy required to break the bond between “H” and “O” is so immence that just a mere “water kit” made from a water filter “bucket” could not possibly handle it.
more volatile than gasoline ? oh please give it a rest agha waqar ahmed . stop taking the ignorant pakistani population into a utopian dream .
iam sure if dr AQ khan has approved this absurd theory . then he needs to stop writing in newspapers and start revising his physics concepts . he has clearly lost his connection with the academics . .Recommend
Question is why people educated Specially from USA Universities are so interested in proving it Fruad. Why? Because Masonic agenda is to keep the utilization of oil in the world otherwise their Economy will fall as oil trade is done in USD around the world and if by any reason, invention of electric car (Vetoed in UN several times, Strangely), hydrogen car got Success, their won’t be any requirement of oil (at least not that much) which will in return reduce the requirement of USD around the world, USD value will fall and so the US economy. That’s why the US educated personals are so interested in declaring it a Fraud, and more over you guys are continuously putting efforts to INSULT him. Why you guys want to insult him? and Why so interested to declare him FRAUD as soon as possible? So that once he is insulted and considered fraud, people will not go for that option because You don’t want people to don’t even try, to consider, to check or further work on it if it is still not working. You want it this way so that MASONIC STATE will keep flourishing. From the program of Hamid Mir it is clear that different people in history tried this and they were successful as well but in a VERY SUSPICIOUS manner they were either KILLED, ARRESTED in some charge or they were condemned by their own gov. like Agha Waqar is being done by People like You Who is either paid by Oil companies who are scared of their supremacy and Power being shut down or The Masonic State (which is also the Boss of oil companies) is scared of their economy to be crashed, lose of their control over the world, flop of NEW WORLD ORDER. All I want to say let him do what he is saying. If he is wrong, his idea will flop automatically but there is absolutely no need of Unnecessary Over efficiency by some people to insult him and Brain Wash public
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I quote the writer’s word:
“At first, it sounded like a joke: a self-styled engineer, trained in Khairpur’s polytechnic institute”
This is so rude from the writer. Many great inventors of the world have never been trained in top universities.
The criticize on water invention is okay, however, the writer’s above statement challenges an individual’s talent and humiliate an institution.
World expect a much more polite and respectful criticize from an MIT scholar.
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“At first, it sounded like a joke: a self-styled engineer, trained in Khairpur’s polytechnic institute”
This is so rude statement from an MIT scholar. Writer should better criticize on the water invention rather an institute name or an individual abilities.
Remember that many great inventors of the world were never been to universities.
I know MIT culture very well. If the writer would have made the above statement in his article at MIT, they would have him sued for humiliating an institute. But since the writer is criticizing on a third world country, he knows the third world fellows will never mind it.
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It is true you can use Water to run an Internal Cumbustion Engine
either Petrol Engine or Diesel Engines but not on water alone.
This is how it works:
Water is a Molecule consisting of one atom of Oxygen connected with two atoms of Hydrogen. H2O
When you pass electric current, the process is called Electrolysis, the water molecule is broken into Oxygen and Hydrogen gases and this Hydrogen gas is passed into the carburetor of the car where is combines with the petrol and powers the engine.
Thus the feul efficiency is increased, you get more mileage per litre and less carbon emmission.
In a car the kit is a glass Jar with electrodes connected to the car battery and an outlet for the gases, connected through a pipe to the carburetor.
The drawback is the load on the battery. What you save in petrol cost, you spend on replacing the battery.
Running a car with Internal Combustion Engine on water alone is not feasible.
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Atleast the poor guy is thinking.. If you dont agree thats different but atleast dont discredit him totally…
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aoa yam sir u r great by veru of ur analysis when our minister have such a big iq then what about other s
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yes, it is true, they are all waiting for miracles and people like that scientist
are a common. even movies are inventing such kits. and even hoax takes time to reach pakistan. absurdity has limits but pakistan seems to have no such guage. Recommend
Pakistani media is not only making fun of Pakistan but also embarrassing Pakistani’s all over the world.
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if it has hydrogen fuel cell then it will work, but for that you need energy to extract hydrogen from water.
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@Baber Saeed:
The people here cannot be stupfied by you and the visual hallucination from anywhere related to pseudoscience. Science’s fundamental laws are governing all the human inventions, except God, and the laws are very much theoratical physics.
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I’m a recently graduated Mechanical Engineer, so I’ve read all the laws of Thermodynamics. And in my opinion, it is NOT impossible to make a car that could use the water as its primary source of fuel. But what I’d like to add here is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to drive an engine with only and only water as a source of fuel. Let me demonstrate, water never catches fire. But water constitutes of hydrogen, and guess what, hydrogen catches fire. All we need to do is to extract this hydrogen gas first. For this, we need to do electrolysis of water, and for electrolysis we need a constant supply of electrical energy. So, a water kit installed in a car could be a combination of ‘water’ (being a source of Hydrogen) and a battery (being a source of providing electrical energy). So it is basically a ‘Water Fuel Cell’.
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One could drive a generator using water, if he’s done electrolysis of water and has extracted hydrogen out of it. Then what’d you say about that?
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It’s NOT water that is running an engine, it’s the HYDROGEN.
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What is science, by the way? It is just “the best guess”, and nothing else.Recommend
Thanks Thanks Pervez Saheb for such a nice articles. I personally feel that this is our (Physicists) responsibility to come forward to tell the people when such non-sense things being projected on the national TV. The most painful thing to me was when Dr. A.Q. Khan and Dr. Samar Mubarakmand were supporting this complete non-sense. In fact they were showing their lack of basic physics knowledge and they are so-called national heroes and the ONLY scientists of the country (as is public perception). But they captured the money given by the government for science and technology for decays and they have never tried to put that money in public sector universities and research institutes. To me these sort of manager type scientists are the enemy of science and education in our country.
By the way one thing to be corrected by every one is that the water car inventor Aga Waqar is not even an engineer, he is a diploma holder and claiming himself as a mechanical engineer. This is told to me by one of his neighbor in Khairpur.
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@ayesha_khan:
Momentum is the force depends on mass as p=mv. More the mass of water falling, more will be the force on turbine and more will be the magnitude of electricity generated in a dam. You better create a dam like situation in a car of a horrible volume than to question second law of thermodynamics.
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@Prof.Hoodbhoy: can u create something out of nothing ?
Well God did that some 6,000 years ago.
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I have seen the programme myself and Dr Samar didnt endorsed the invention. He clearly said “Science main energy khurch kertay hain to energy banti he. MUFT MAIN KOI KAM NAHI HOTA. Inhon nan tajerba kiya he to in ko pata ho ga ke electrolysis main kitni bijli istamal hui he. He said “Idea feasiable he ager yeh 2-3 maslon ka hal ker lain”
http://pakistantime.net/Kyun-17th-July-2012-Dr-Samar-Mubarakmand-Local-engineer-develops-device-to-run-car-on-water-Great-Achievement_v8027
(Listen 7:40 to 8:15m)
It is strange how ppl blindly believed Hood Bhai. He intentionally used his statement out of the context. He just selected the text “Jee bilkul ho sakta he.” Hood Bhai some how missed the very next sentence “Ager yeh 2-3 maslon ka hal ker lain”.
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@kareem:
Your insanity knows no bounds. Water isnt made up of carbon. Please dig a whole and jump into it before deciding to comment on this topic. What is going to happen to Pakistan with people like you.
Please save us from this ignorance. You cannot get more energy out than you put in. Its simple as that. If anybody thinks that doesnt make sense and that such laws are manmade and all that insensibility needs to get his head checked.Recommend
I do not understand why scientists are opposed to their very very basic idea, hypothesis to theory cycle. What Mr. Hoodbhoy commented on is scientifically correct from one law of science, what about the process of Hypothesis. The water kit idea is sound and I dare say proven, but if this idea is converted into something concrete, imagine who will be hit hard. The Oil Companies, multi Zillion dollar industry and what they had and will not spend to curb these ideas. We have seens sabotages into other FUEL SOURCES by them and this is the most cheapest and abundant resource. I do not dare to contradict with Mr.Hoodbhoy’s knowledge, but to his decision to outward reject the idea. I imagine how he would treat his students with ideas.
Readers, please investigate on Liquid Hydrogen deposits under sea along the coastline of UK and Canada.
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@Tanzeel:
There is a difference between theory and law. Laws of physics are facts, you may have your opinion but not your own facts!!!!
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@Umar Riaz:
Well said!!!
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‘Earth is flat’ was never a law. It was a theory, theories change over time. Laws of nature don’t.
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Being engineer any experiment should be published (e,g. patent) for approval by international community.
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@Cynical: You should go back to school and revise basic concepts of science. Your comment shows your level of intelligence!!!!!
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Just imagine! If water had been used as fuel, world we are living in, would have been a different place altogether. As Oceans are full of water, so the source of energy would have been almost infinite.
In case of Waqar the Kit man, and hero of the land for almost two weeks: a proverb goes this way, ‘A lie is halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on’.
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@Farhan:
The difference between us and the west is that we are insane. We will blindly believe the word of any mulla or engineer as long as it’s in the “name of Islam”. The west is much ahead of us. Frauds like this have happened in the west 20 years back. And they didn’t turn hoaxes like this into national heroes. They put guys like these in JAIL. The world is not ignorant. Instead of blaming west for everything wrong with yourself, we should realize our own mistakes. But the biggest problem with this country is that we are brainwashed by religious beliefs. We think that GOD will some day strike all our enemies and shower us with his rewards. WAKE UP PEOPLE. That is not going to happen. Stop blaming others for your absurdity and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, give your children some basic education.Recommend
@Tanzeel:
Please read this: http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm
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@ali:
Because the water powered car has been “invented” many times before, as an investment scam. When you understand how it “works”, you know there’s no possibility of it being real.
It is a car with a battery that performs electrolysis, to split oxygen and hydrogen out of water, and the hydrogen is then fed into a fuel cell, which generates electricity to power a motor.
Do you see what’s wrong with that? There is a needless and wasteful step. The car is not actually water powered, it is battery powered, but the electricity from the battery is converted into chemical energy and then back to electrical energy.
It is astonishingly inefficient and will work for only a few miles on one charge if that, long enough to fool an investor.
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@CRISIS
@Prof.Hoodbhoy: can u create something out of nothing ?
Well God did that some 6,000 years ago.
Really??
I thought 6000 years ago everything WAS already in existence.
At least Dinosaurs were roaming around about 230 MILLION years ago.
Are you sure God said 6000 years?
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@Ali S:
The energy to split the oxygen and hydrogen comes from a battery. So ultimately it’s just a, unusually inefficient battery powered car.
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@Abdul:
But the process used to split the oxygen and hydrogen out of water is electrolysis, which takes energy.
If it were possible to perform electrolysis using less energy than you get from re-combining the oxygen and hydrogen, since the “exhaust” is water, you could just pipe the exhaust back into the fuel tank and have a perpetual motion machine.
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@ASAD CHANGEZI:
Time has already decided. The water car fraud dates back to the 1970s.
It is an electric car, powered by a fuel cell, which makes it’s own hydrogen onboard the car from a tank of water and battery powered electrodes in the tank that split oxygen and hydrogen out of the water.
But this is just turning electrical energy in the battery, into chemical energy (hydrogen) and then back into electrical energy using the fuel cell. There is an unnecessary conversion step that loses a lot of energy and is there simply to confuse people into thinking it is something new and revolutionary.
As a car, it is useless and will travel only a few miles on one battery charge. It would be better to simply get rid of the water and fuel cell, and use the battery to power the motor directly.
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There are so many insane people here who claim that one need to see this to decide about it. What an insanethinking, it was also resonated on TV. when something is wrong and absurd in concept, what is the need to go and see. If someone claim they have divided two bananas into half, and result is 5 bananas, should I go there to see if he is saying write? Recommend
@Ali S:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29899191/#.UB1RC7Qe7ng
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Look at this guys .. Still believe its a fraud ? Wake upp!!!! I wish the Pakistani guy patent it .. anyone want to say anything new ? Common Wake up . http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29899191/#.UB1RC7Qe7ng
Cant blv it . Have some faith in PAKISTAN!!!
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Hmmm. A battery electrolyzes the water, the resultant hydrogen runs the engine, the engine runs the car plus a generator which charges the battery. Quite an amazing perpetual motion machine, that. Waqar is a true scientific genius. Now someone will just have to take the minor trouble to reinvent the laws of thermodynamics and entropy. That, of course, would require a complete reinvention of the entire particle physics, quantum theory and cosmology. A trivial problem, which no doubt Waqar will be happy to help solve.
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Agha Waqar for Prime Minister.
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With due respect i just have a single question for all those who agree from the article.
with the refremce to the program of talat hussain.
In his program the dean of GIKI was also on call and his point of view was that Y we making this invention an issue. This is a start of an invention, he further gave a reference of aeroplane that in the beginning it was not like it is now. Everything takes time.
All I feel that people should give a time and instead calling him fake .Ask questions from him. if its good its ok else …………………Recommend
Just bring them in front of scrutinizing team of leading scientists of Pakistan.
It is a great discovery and worth lots of attention if it is not just fraud.
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@sana: its spelled as “career”. Recommend
why are you so sure hoodbhoy? Or you are the grandson of one of those who 100 years ago were screaming that an object heavier than the air cannot fly and the human body cannot travel at a speed superior than 100km/h because it desintegrates? :))) Recommend
Wait, did you just end your article on the importance of reason and science by criticizing Pakistan’s ignorance of the guiding principles of an imaginary god?
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@JCD:
Very well explained. I was shocked when Agha Waqar said on TV that laws were made to be changed. It’s like saying we can make gravity exert more pressure on something of lesser mass. Ridiculous. In that second I knew he was full of crap. Recommend
A slap on Hoodbhoy’s face . Check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=287qd4uI7-E ……. A perpetual motion machine does exist.
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I have been working on renewable energies for the last 5 years and i totally agree with Dr Atta Ur Rehman as far as my working and experimentation with hydrogen fuel cells is concerned in order to generate 23kwh of hydrogen energy we need to spend 100 kwh of energy any machine in the world cannot be 100% efficient on the other hand this guy is claiming the efficiency over 100% a 50ah car battery cannot provide energy more than 400 watts if discharged in 30 minutes how he can run 20kwh energy ie is 1000cc car and perpetual machines are not possible at all means its not possible that his system generates energy for electrolysis of water as well as to run itself and to drive the engine for use . I am afraid that this is going to be another bad example of pakistani Frauds in the World .
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Ha HahHa – typical Pakistani response by the public and silly politicians that have lost all shame – it is only a matter of time before they blame the fraud on Mossad, CIA , RAW, KFC and McDonalds
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A Q Khan – the man that sold Pakistani secrets for profit – what more could you expect from this “for sale” pakistani!
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Its very premature to conclude Professor. Have you really forgotten the scientists who rejected the later scientists, history is example of that. Let the time reveals the fact. Please avoid posting such texts that are one sided Professor.
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@Syed Ali Raza: I am so relieved that finally someone mentioned the basis of this water car fraud so simply and in a way everyone can understand. I was utterly surprised that of all people in favor or against this fraud no one was able to articulate second law of thermodynamics so clearly as you did. Really good job. Hope people understand that by temporarily inputting more energy through the battery and then electrolysis they can run the water car but not perpetually.
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Dear Dawood Batozai! The Man did his Ph.D from MIT, Boston is not just a man like the people of Pakistan, what they heard just believe on that blindly. I heard this man in Forman Christian college Lahore. I believe in him that he spent his life in this field and knows better than those who just believe in a media person who conduct this type of shows just for the rating of their programme. It is pathetic that Pakistani nation is still living in dark and they are the blind followers of ignorance. Sorry for those who promised lot to end the energy crises but still the masses are suffering due to their bad governance.
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Is it a fraud played by Agha Watar? Or is he fraudulent? It could be of course a coincidence but there already is a US company selling a complete kit for USD 299. Agha Watar can not claim to be the owner of a patent, if he is not careful, he could even be sued for infringement of copyright laws by calling the product as his own.
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link: Global Energy Devices
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Whether is it fake or a fraud being a scientific approach being all the resources of research in pakistan along with such intellectauls, start research on it. Dont put watery statements. It is a matter that will bring out the Pakistan from the crises.
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Well,though being a medical student,yet I was astounded to know about the ‘water kit’. I could barely grasp what he was saying.I mean though fuel cell constitutes of a bit similar fuel,oxygen and hydrogen..but I personally don’t think it’s a cup of tea of some diploma holder. That day he was on t.v and he couldn’t even tell properly what do we get on electrolysis of water so the point is miracles don’t just happen by themselves now-a-days.Anchor’s that probably know nothing about the whole working of the ‘water kit’ have exaggerated his claim without trying to know the core mechanism. It ran the car and that was enough proof for them.Pity!
But God knows what’s reality. Lets just hope for the best for our country.
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ashamed to be Pakistani when our media and so called science leaders stoop to such depths of stupidity in supporting such a fraud – when will common sense prevail in Pakistan ?
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@Mujtaba
why are you so sure hoodbhoy?
Because the Inventor-e-Azam has already accepted that he was adding Calcium Carbide to the water and was getting Acetylene out of it. No Electrolysis and No Hydrogen as fuel, as has been claimed by the Inventor so far.
Watch it all here.
http://www.brownpundits.com/2012/08/04/water-car-fever-begins-to-break-when-will-heads-roll/
Or you are the grandson of one of those who 100 years ago were screaming that an object heavier than the air cannot fly
This or that Humans can never land on the moon, or the World was ‘created’ 60000 years ago, are irrelevant here. The claim is that, “here is a kit that allows a car to be run for 40 kms on a litre of ‘pure distilled water’ and a standard car battery, with the water and the charge of the battery intact at the end of the run”, let us concentrate on this claim alone.
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Giki professor dr Javed ahmed chatta,Dr samar mubarak,dr waqas naim all said in talaat hussain show that this man is fluke
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Dear Dr., we should encourage the inventor and let’s see what is going to be revealed….2nd law of thermodynamics may be proved wrong by this…..new inventions should be judged scinetifically and practically rather than criticising…..i ask one question from Mr. H.Bhai…as a great scientist what has been delivered by you rather than criticising…there is no end to any principle of physics….so you should help him if any difficulty arises……..regards
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OK guys these are my comments on water car scandal.
Initially I was misguided by the fact that it was claimed that the car runs on water. Actually it does not. IT RUNS ON ACETYLENE.
This was not stated as it would have taken the surprise and innovation element out as extensive work has already been done on the use of this fuel. It is similar in use to Ethanol and any internal combustion engine with a slightly modified CNG kit can run on it.
Acetylene is a gas extensively used in welding process. It is produced by reacting Calcium Carbide with water. The outcome of this reaction is Acetylene and Calcium Hydroxide.
Non Technical Politicians and Media was shown the water being used as fuel , Calcium Carbide being a dense solid material was possibly hidden in the kit.
I am surprised and disappointed with the scientists who could not figure this one out.
Bingo! Pakistani innovation is created.
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it might not be only water but it maybe very close to latest hybrid technology used in cars, so why to discourage agha waqar?????????
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Why not just present a well made clip where they are test driving this water driven car.
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Agha waqar for the head of nuclear technology. Recommend
Being a Class eight student, one fine morning i disclosed to my father ( an electrical engineer) that i have invented a car which does’t require any fuel. The plan was to put two electrical generators on the front wheels and two electrical motors on the rear wheels. The generators would be electrically connected with motors at rear wheels. Once the car is pushed the generators would start producing electricity and would drive the motors and the process will go on continuously…. Father knowingly advised me to investigate the concept further prior to practical implementation… and that is how I learnt that energy being produced can never be more that the energy being fed….
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Dear Pakistani Citizens,
When the Opera scientists last year claimed the neutrino velocity faster than light and hence making the Theory of relativity invalid. The western world did not criticize them in a way people has been criticizing the water invention guy in this forum. Though Opera’s scientists claim was much more bigger than this one.
The nation need to have much more patience. I am sure if a man named “Michael” or “Paul” would have claimed the same, Pakistani citizens would have criticized far less than this man.
Do Read the claims Opera scientists have been making between 2011-2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-lightneutrinoanomaly
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Dear Dr Hood,
This guy is not the first one who claims running a car on water. They claim changing the water into its elemental form by a battery and then running the car with oxygen and hydrogen combustion. The emission is not CO2 but H2O.
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@tanzeel “earth being flat” was a hypothetical consideration not a proven fact… this so called free energy source developer has no empirical formula to support his claim.. am a engineering student and anyone with basic thermodynamic knowledge would negate his free energy theory..
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HOODBHOI has always been misleading (scientifically and politically). AGHA is not a Researchist; instead he is a technician. Dnt jst talk about LAWS of Physics. If the invention he claims is by chance “real and true” simply the rule of Physics may be changed. It is not a Rule claimed by GOD in Quraan or other scriptures. A man-made Law and while many LAWS have changed over the 20th century.
Moreover there are many great inventors who were not SCIENTISTS and RESEARCHERS but were mere technicians. So let us first check it out whether it really works.
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if dr hoody and attur rehman has seen the car
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if dr qadir khan has visited the car and he has given the statement
why you people are against his statement without any knowledte. first check the thing and then comment mr atta ur rehmand and hoody and all small scientists. give respect to attomic hero and his vision.thanks.
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@Rehman Siddiqi
‘You should go back to school and revise basic concepts of science. Your comment shows your level of intelligence!!!!!
I am sure you only want to help me and I have no problem in going back to school, if needed.
However, It would have been more helpful if you cited the particular part (if memory serves me right there were two operating part in my comment) which you found vacuous.
Your guidance will be highly appreciated.
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Has the author personally investigated the car?
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Although I do not agree with Dr Pervaiz HoodBhoy in many ways, but in this case he is perfectly right. Water fuel kit is a clear violation of second law of thermodynamics. I can’t imagine a diploma engineer of Pakistan to invent such an absurd thing. Most of our Scientists are really fraud as Dr Pervaily has rightly pointed out. Talking of scientific truth in Pakistan, as Dr Atta has bluntly did, is useless.
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@cynical
Please find another moniker (name) for you.Just using a ‘c’ instead of a ‘C’ is not enough.
It will only create confusion which is both unnecessary and avoidable.
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@Khan Jr:
Pakistan is 10 years behind India.LOL
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I am an Indian Veterinarian, and I have read Physics just until my 12th class and that too from a Govt school where education is free, and I have read laws of Thermodynamics in good detail with some summaries on couple of thermodynamics research papers….I would have given a mighty denial to ds fraud discovery in d first say..which denies d very basic laws of thermodynamics (ABC of thermodynamics)…I wonder how pathetic iz it dt Pakistani scientists of such a high reputation were nt able to deny in d first instance….I must add here that standard of education in Pakistan and ur teachers, is a complete mess….. Sad & highly pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have read all the comments every body has a right to express his views.We don’t have a practical scientific culture either in colleges or universities.He was not a scientist nor a regular engineer. But if he had tried to do some thing better he should be appreciated not discouraged by all the people. So that in future no body can even think for new things. It is the FAULT OF MEDIA that he had been exposed wrongly. He is an independent citizen of Pakistan he can express his point of view. Secondly it should be illustrated what he had made wrong and how he managed to run that car. What material he used or… So I request that if anyone have complete detail please write here. not theoretically but practically how he managed to run that car and if he used some chemical even then is it less costly than petrol or not.
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Remembering the famous saying ‘A maulvi says that whatever he utters is right; while a scientist humbly submits that whatever is right shall be uttered“. Coming to the ongoing debate, I humbly say that both sides are WRONG (Prof Ata vs. Dr AQ Khan etal), for a simple reason that the poor soul (Engr. Waqar) has not presented the technical details of his invention at any forum (atleast to my knowledge). And look at us we are jumping to the conclusion that 2nd law of thermodynamics has been violated or a perpetual motion machine is impossible.
Everybody knows Conservation laws cannot be violated. Perhaps Mr Waqar is not contesting the Law and just claiming that he has invented an energy efficient system i.e. more economical than fuel. I am not sure from where the rubbish debate regarding perpetual motion machine has orignated from. I guess our scientists are to be squarely blamed for contesting the invention on basis of 2nd law. I am dead sure that the invention just claims that it is more energy efficient and hence much more viable than fuel. If thats true then there is every reason to rejoice. And rejoice after we have tested the invention in terms of efficiency, rather than talking jibberish about conservation laws.
Yours sincerely
Dr Hossein Hamdani
PhD Aerospace
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Love all your work, Pervez.
From abroad, just hearing rumors about this “discovery”, I thought it was a cheaper method of making fuel cells. Catalyzed electrolysis of water into hydrogen, hydrogen gas should be able to work on CNG/LPG cars with not too much modifications. Sad to hear that it’s all a fraud, was hoping for some good and innovative research coming from the region.
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@M.A.Bhat:
Albeit the sheer stupidity of this issue is undeniable I can’t help but laugh at your post.
I don’t know what is more pathetic.
You being an Indian trolling a Pakistani forum and an internal Pakistani issue
OR
Boasting about free and “superior” education while using invented words like “iz” and “dt”.
If your typing / spellings are any indication of the quality of education and your retention ability.
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@Wall builder:
I am speechless. Sir do you have ANY idea as to what you are talking about ?
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Prof Hoodby have exposed not only AQKhan, Mir, Talast and the like but the the affair of the state and its people that are in delusion for over 60 years. They are waiting for Imran Khan Tusanmi and doing nothing, they are waiting that US, India and the West will be destroyed… they are not doing or thinking of anything positive to emerge… lets hope Hoodby’s words awake these BadQismat people and nation…
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*I think this is wrong to write something about new invention, if you are not try it by your own self. We people never appreciate new things because over faith on previous theories are too strong and there is no space to accept any invention or concept. You know, these theories are made by different paradigms, and these paradigms can never be false or true, but changed after different researches or inventions. It is difficult to accept a new idea because we continued our research on the behalf of previous paradigms. E.g, there was a concept that sun revolved around the earth then the paradigm changed and new theory is appeared that earth is revolving around the sun. I don’t say that accept it soon but please give him a chance. Try it and then prove it wrong or right. On the behalf of your theory don’t reject any new idea. I am not try to defend but also not want to be against it. *
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Engineer Agha Waqar is using Carbide with water to produce gas (acetylene gas) to run vehicle. They are commonly used in lamps etc.
Carbide lamps, or acetylene gas lamps, are simple lamps that produce and burn acetylene (C2H2) which is created by the reaction of calcium carbide (CaC2) with water.
Acetylene gas lamps were used to illuminate buildings, as lighthouse beacons, and as headlights on motor-cars and bicycles. Portable carbide lamps, worn on the hat or carried by hand, were widely used in mining in the early twentieth century. They are still employed by cavers, hunters, and cataphiles.
He use calcium carbide C2H2 to produce acetylene (ethyne) gas calcium carbide C2H2 with react with water to produce it
(Acetylene (systematic name: ethyne) is the chemical compound with the formula C2H2. It is a hydrocarbon and the simplest alkyne. This colorless gas is widely used as a fuel and a chemical building block. It is unstable in pure form and thus is usually handled as a solution. Pure acetylene is odorless, but commercial grades usually have a marked odor due to impurities.)
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whose more ignorant…a man who makes a tall claim….or the people that mock him without asking how? Ignorance comes in many forms and the worst type is ignorance displayed by “educated” people.
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Pl go and check yourself
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@Kanwal:
well whats your IQ level?
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705 comments cool it man this guy is having his moment in he sun in a few months it will be back to square one.
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Dear Dr.Pervez Sahib,
Sir completely agree with you as this is a fraud,I do not know People above are arguing on regional basis etc. and leaving the few basic facts as under
1) First nobody bothers to confirm disconnection of fuel,he just shows that he has disconnected CNG plastic tube here noted that CNG tubing is not made of plastic but of copper due to high pressure.
2) Secondly he just put the plastic pipe in to the engine (combustion chamber) ??? where high temp/pressure is involved.
3) All the other fuel’s like CNG/Petrol/Diesel have specific octane number values which is needed by specific kind of engines.where he has confirmed those Octane numbers.I know he can’t afford to have CFR engine/octane analyser to confirm the same.
4) Leave the Fuel quality he has produced,what type of feed water he is using Distill water of what TDS,Conductivity etc
5) I have seen he has no gauges instead he has used Tyre tube for the flow and control???
6) If this car is running on Hydrogen gas why bother to have this kit use hydrogen cylinder with 99.9999% purity and go on
I must this would be another corruption scam.
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Since the water car fraud is apparent, so what next now? Time to roll some heads? or not? What about those so-called scientists, sitting on posh seats in – ‘science council’, and were supporting this guy, ‘Agha the inventor’, for reasons known and unknown; one reason was obvious, and that was serious lacking of basic knowledge about physical laws even at professional levels, and other reason could be to promote some Newton from province of Sindh, for many yet claiming on ethnic TV channels that Agha Waqar has brightened the name of his province and country, really? With all due respect, my comment intend to harm no one, but seriously, is it the way to promote some land? No wonder plagiarism has become a norm of daily life and people feel not guilty for a slightest moment.
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this is the joke of the century …… water as a fuel …..
a diploma holder telling a scientist (who has 600+ international publications) in a TV program that how science works …. First there is a practical demonstration and then then theory is made ….. Wow
And our nuclear scientist also praising our national hero for his ‘Mother of All’ invention.
Also, i am quite surprised from the comments of some students and engineers .. favouring their national hero ………..
China has plan of putting their man on moon ……… indians will be sending satellite to mars ….Americans already conquered mars …..
And our pakistani nation celebrating ‘WATER KIT INVENTION’ !!!!!!!!
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In a way it’s good that media is showing not only its own illiteracy but the block headed “science” of our so called scientists. Was Dr Abdus Salam a Pakistani scientist? lolz Recommend
It was Interesting to see the demonstration on media.My first response was “pleasant surprise” but the second thought was “if this water kit is scientificly proficent’
,our gov should help this man immediately register this with patency authority.
Our scientists and labs should analyze this ” water kit” explain on scientific principles and report the matter to relevant authorities.
It needs a serious effort.
Dr Hamid
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Thank god at least it is mr. Agha who took special pains to remind the world including us that we are living in the dark ages in pakistan while the world has entered 21st century long long ago. I could see this charlatan being interviewed by Hamid mir pretending to have lost evey single penny borrowed to undertake that great experiment. He was also claiming that he had been left with only a few rupees after have spent everything on the experiment. I can remember his face, eyes, deceitful smile and ever gesture that we all are familiar with. On ever turn in this hapless country, we are faced with such cheats and I mean everywhere. Just look around.
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A comprehensive article on very current affair in Pakistan .. and being a Science Graduate I am also agree with this that its a totally illogical and nonsense.. But… i really surprised to see the confidence of the person who claimed this all. I keenly saw his interviews to media.. comments from Dr. Ata-ur-Rehman and Dr. Samar and I really got some gut feeling that may be there is some material in this.. I got this due to following facts;
1. If its really a fraud then the person who is involve in this supposed to be out of the scene immediately when our top scientist involved in this, rather he was in front of them and confidentially giving answers yet..
2. The person blunlty challenge any one to prove this is fake in the public
3. He is claiming HOH gas not H2 gas .. which is an entire a new concept..
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@Zunaira: Ma’am, Laws are not man made, Laws are made by God, or you may call it nature. Humans only discover them. Theories take U-Turns, but Laws can never ever.
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I am deeply shocked to see that our scientist are not aware of the fundamentals of science. I think the so-called uneducated engineer from the rural areas must have believed the popular, yet not accurate in the subject of science, dictum that laws are made to be broken. Its not very difficult to prove it wrong. Get some experts who are working on fuel-cell technology and get it examined. It wouldnt take more than an hour.
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well,
i really don’t care if all that’s being said and done is right or wrong.
but what’s annoying is the fact that… people are opposing that guy from their offices and drawing rooms. none of them has gone to his car and exposed if he is wrong.
and all those who r shouting ‘thermodynamics thermodynamics’ well, had this been really done and proven by sum random guy from MIT, probably all of you would have been jumping and shouting ‘Wow, next giant leap to landing on Mars’ with excitement including Mr A & Mr H.
Pathetic.
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I hope sir you are wrong, and if you are I would suggest you what an MIT student did, he wrote Newton’s equation for acceleration before jumping out the window to his death!
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Dr. Samar is a great scientist and we truly believe his knowledge and observation. I have seen the interview on PTV regarding the car water kit, in which Dr.Samar, Mr. Agha and Commission chief Engr were present. Dr. Samar never said that this kit is feasible for safe operation of car or that the water can be used alone as energy source. He stressed that that there must be carbide present in the water but the inventor was hiding that. We salute Dr. Samar n Dr. A.Q.Khan for their valuable contribution in nation development.
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Let c, prior to any rzlt, it is foolish to conclude anything. The writer has given his opinion and tried to protect Mr. Atta Ur Rehman, who even dont know how to speak.
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Similar news appeared some time back when a LAhore-based Engineer made similar claim. Why can’t our genuine scientists take up this job and come up with a genuine solution? By the way, had this been technically viable, The Americans, Japanese and Europeans etc., must have introduced Water-Driven Cars, at least 40 years back. Wake up innocent people of Pakistan!
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You just wrote in genral about what so ever happened and who said what….. Why don’t you just prove this is a fraud rather then just saying it out loud…. Prove it…. I am sure its easy to type in words on a keyboard rather then go out and prove the whole idea as a fraud
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A really concise article… an eye opener for all…!!!
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Its a shame that majority of people are brainwashed including phd holders. Question we need to ask is why after all that study they are like this? There is only one book which is the ultimate truth and that is Quran. Any other book should be read with open mind. Don’t believe each and everything what you read double check before you accept. Yes i also mean the books of science.
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Yes I know It will be proven fraud and history will repeat itself because of the free energy supperession. There are huge number of people who have been ridiculed. Anyone who is puppet of zionists or making money through fuel will not support this. Its a FACT that water cars are in use in the world. If you want to live in a box thinking that its not possible then its your choice because thats what you have been brainwashed to think. People do your research it is 100% proven that car can run on water. They want you to think its a faud because they are brainwashed by the knowledge put together by zionists. Dont be among those who used to think that world is flat.
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The real issue here is that “intellectual dishonesty” over the period of time becomes an integral part of one’s personality. This incidence has revealed that it has definitley become a building block of our national character.
Thanks very much Pervez Hoodhboy for writing this article. A typical pakistani really loves Drama, Sensation & Myth. So they got all these from Agha Waqar but he should be given credit for giving the Pakistani Nation a reality check. Not sure if the nation has the ability to realize?
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My guess is that Agha Waqar Ahmad’s life expectancy is getting short. The only way I can see foir these people to save face is for him to be killed by the evil oil industry and for his water fuel kit to mysteriously disappear.
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I totally agree with this guy…….!!
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I can see another Stanley Meyer with his “Water Car fraud”. Agha Waqar Ahmad is copying a fraudulent idea of 90′s of Stanley Meyer’s “Water Fuel Cell”. Lets see….
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I think discussing on first law of thermodynamics and else is not effective for this debate. It is so simple that water is electrolyzed in Hydrogen and Oxygen through giving it DC current and current is given through battery. while the battery is charged through generator and the you all know very well the generator runs the car engine. So how you can say that the amount of energy consumed would be equal to amount of generated. This is not a new experiment this is already done by other world also. the Hydrogen has been produced through some other experiments also. So if Agha Waqar clains that he has invented water kit its not amazing and not impossible. Let him give a chance instead of discouraging him. Please think positive and encourage him until he proves him right or wrong. Why Dr. Attaurehman dont meet with Agha waqar and prove him fraud.
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this experiment didnt proved 2nd law of thermodynamics as false statement.this is just a western propagenda to take this invention away from pakistan if there is something wrong with this experiment then why did the uk companies offerd engineer agha to work for them.
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Had Mr. Waqar been my teacher, he would have saved me from swallowing “Thermo” in 4th semester…Alas !! Dr. Qadeer and Dr. Samar Mubarakmand.. During all / most of their careers Dr.Qadeer and Dr. Samar Mubarak both worked more as bureaucrats than real scientists..using their stick to drive scientists / engineers under them to work on stolen technologies..they never taught science..if they had ever published in recognized journals it was long long back during their Ph.D. studies…so I believe they have long forgotten the Alif ..Bay ..Tay of science…they have totally forgotten then fundamental laws of physics and their implications…they are now more of politicians then scientists..hungary for quick publicity..except that they can write Dr. before their names…they are just like most of our Ulema who are quick to dislodge Fatwas and have forgotten the fundamental teachings of our religion.
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Let it be clear in an objective and impartial manner. If it succeeds, too good. If it fails, not too bad. Afterall, it was an effort by a Pakistani and we should encourage it. I have seen in the West that people come up with crazy ideas and test them again and again. Sometimes, they are successful and sometimes they are failed. It is a not a big deal. If this was done in US or UK, Mr. Pervez Hoodbhoy would never have dared to criticize it. Why? He earns good dollars by teaching in US universities during the summer months. What practical contribution Mr. Pervez Hoodbhoy has in the field of physics? During all these years, he has done nothing, except writing articles on politics and current affairs. He is just a mediocre who earned a degree in Physics. These type of mediocres can only do one thing, teach at university. When Mr. Hoodbhoy comes up with something important in the field of physics, he has a right to criticize others. Otherwise, he should keep his mouth shut and indulge in teaching only.
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Have read this article twice , very well written !
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@Muhammad Shoaib Akif: “You better create a dam like situation in a car of a horrible volume than to question second law of thermodynamics.”
I think you have not read my comment properly. I was responding to Haris who was implying that water could generate electricity in a dam why not in this kit. I was explaining to him that it was not water per se but potential energy from being at the height that got changed into kinetic energy and subsequently converted to electrical energy. In other words a dam does not violate 2nd law of thermodynamics whereas this crazy waterkit does. Hence the 2 cannot be compared. I have never questioned the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
I read a lot of people who call it a man made law. They clearly do not understand that this is a law in nature which was simply discovered by men. Also comparing a law like 2nd law of thermodynamics to flawed hypothesis like earth is flat ans saying if one could be wrong, so can the other shows nothing but ignorance. When people claiming to be mechanical engineers also say things like manmade scientific laws can be changed – poor Attaur Rehman must be feeling that all his hard work in HEC seems to have gone down the drain.
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He has explained it very well. I remember meetings with him, and he couldn’t be defeated even if he was drunk. He knows how to use brain and words.
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Well what he is claiming doesnt voilates the second law of thermodynamics.. he is saying that a battery will be used for the electrolysis of water….Recommend
My first reaction after hearing the news was to overlook it and c if the car runs. I could not go to witness it. A Q and Samarmand have given u something…what has Hoodbouy ever given u except ridicule? I don’t know if Samarmand or AQ have endorsed it, If they have, then if the boy has been able to befool them, u can rest assured that your nukes ain’t going to work. Can’t u people wait and Hoodbouy b patient? Nobody is doing anything momentous in the country and if the cabinet wastes another day, what have they gained in the last five years?
However, warn the budding scientist that if the car doesn’t run as claimed, he shall have to spend the rest of his days in an asylum. I am not going to support AQ in his hospital or whatever project he is backing nor should Samarmand b given the Coal Thar project if this car is a sham, in case they were satisfied that boy is sane.
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As a “scientist” who doesnt actually do anything of substance and only writes news articles, I would have expected Hoodbhoy to at least have done his research regarding the subject. E.g., whereas Hoodbhoy mentions Dr Samar agreeing with Agha Waqar’s claims, I just saw this video where Dr Samar clearly took Agha Waqar to the cleaners dispelling his claims using practical physics that every one in the audience could understand (rather than claiming a theoretical principal without explaining its relevance as Hoodbhoy has done).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip1IE0NSuRM
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me & my friends were talking about this few days ago and simply got the answer that it is fraud …..because it is a simple science…
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Being a simple Post Doctorate student here in the Ontario Cancer research institute Toronto Canada, I feel once a Pakistani scientist reach to a TV stage, its stop thinking and go with a way to keep his position more prominent in the eye of common Pakistani people. That’s the reason that so many PhD was blindly following the dumb claim of this person and no body was asking him to give the simple principle that how he generate energy from simple HHO molecule.
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Dr. Hoodbhouy u have problem with this one trained in Khairpur’s polytechnic institute.
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sir you should get on facebook. we need updates from you through social media
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@Dr Sada Hussain:
also dr. Aqadeer Khan said that, ”this is no any fraud, if I can b there I myself check kit in 5 minutes and give him certificate. If you think this is fake you must go to Waqar and examine kit practically yourself. If u find any fraud then u can talk about.”
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I think the magic is in electrodes. These are not normal electrodes. Something is done special with electrodes to boost the process of ionization. There are high chances that this invention will give a new direction to known science.
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Dear Readers, not Sindhi politicians.
The hoax of water tank is nothing but a stunt of provincial chauvinism. I taught in a university
and college in the interior Sindh for 35 years in a row,. experienced, got victimized of extreme communal prejudice.All teachers, even PhD s favor students either of their GOTHs, or CASTE., disfavoring non-Sindhis students, ridiculing ‘alien’ teachers. In Sindhi they say
with scorn :Pehn Jo (mine) Parayo (alien,) Makkar (locust). They proudly believe that Sindhi
language is superior to English.
This Agha Waqar is being made a celebrity just for nothing.
Since I was born in Sindh, speak so perfectly the Sindhi language, I remained an outcast.
After retirement other sons of the soil were taken up. The present VC Dr A.Q.Mughal is of
the same age but related to Zulfiqar Mirza. Many such are re-appointed and working.
Nothing to be concerned about. No wonder Agha Waqar would be granted billions of dollars
for his ‘CAR’
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To break the water into hydrogen and oxygen the same energy is required again as and when the originally water was created, and that sure was KUN FAYAKOON, the Creator Himself created and established all the sources of energies with one word i.e. “KUN”. I am surprised that how could a local engineer without higher knowledge of physics and thermodynamics statures and rules, make such a large source of energy from a 45-50amp battery of a small car for IC engines. Energey cannot be destroyed but energy can be converted from one shape to another with some fraction of loss of energy during coversion. so amazing that a small battery can break the water molecules and separte atoms of oxygen a hydrogen for gaseos supply of fuel to the engine inlet, while this energy will be needed at much higher level of potential.
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Science allows for any hypothesis to be proposed, no mater how dumb it may sound. The job of science is to try to refute the hypothesis with controlled experiments. If the hypothesis withstands refutation, it stands until such time as it is refuted. Newton’s “laws” of Gravity stood for a few centuries as “laws” but were supplanted by Einsten’s theories. “Laws” are only there till they are refuted through other experiments. Until someone actually refutes the premise of the inventor in Pakistan, I suggest everyone stow their emotions deep underground and wait for the results of attempts at refutaion using scientific principles and experiments. Not knowing anything about this device I have no comments on whether it works or not. I can, however comment on Hoodbhoy’s scientific immaturity.Recommend
@Tanzeel: Earth is flat was not a law.
It was a theory put forward by idiots who had no connection to science. Proven scientific facts do not change with era. Tomorrow the gravitational force will not dissapear if any idiot claims he can fly.
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