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The water car fraud
Agha Waqar Ahmad’s ‘water kit’, if one believes science to be right, simply cannot work.
The writer received his bachelor degrees in electrical engineering and mathematics, as well as masters and Ph.D degrees, from MIT
Agha Waqar Ahmad deserves a medal from the people of Pakistan for his great service to the nation. In a few short days, he has exposed just how far Pakistan has fallen into the pit of ignorance and self-delusion. No practical joker could have demonstrated more dramatically the true nature of our country’s political leaders, popular TV anchors and famed scientists.
At first, it sounded like a joke: a self-styled engineer, trained in Khairpur’s polytechnic institute, claims to have invented a ‘water kit’ enabling any car to run on water alone. It didn’t matter that the rest of world couldn’t extract energy from water; he had done it. He promised a new Pakistan with limitless energy, no need for petrol or gas, and no more loadshedding. For an energy starved nation, it is a vision of paradise.
Agha Waqar Ahmad is now a national celebrity thanks to Religious Affairs Minister Khursheed Shah. Federal ministers Mir Hazar Khan Bijarani and Qamar Zaman Kaira have added their commendations. President Asif Ali Zardari has expressed his delight. The cabinet has met three times to discuss the water vehicle, and a fourth meeting is scheduled. Reports suggest millions may be spent on the ‘water fuel kit project’.
The media has rushed in to celebrate the new national hero. For TV anchor Talat Husain, thanks to Agha Waqar Ahmad’s invention, Pakistan’s image can go from a country ravaged by terrorism to one of boundless possibilities. Anchor Hamid Mir and Senator Parvaiz Rasheed drove around Islamabad sitting next to the inventor, wondering how to protect the man’s life from Western oil companies. Anchor Arshad Sharif was euphoric about the $14 billion Pakistan would save on oil imports.
Pakistan’s most celebrated scientists were not far behind. Asked by Anchor Sharif whether a car could run only on water, nuclear hero Dr Samar Mubarakmand replied without hesitation: “jee haan, bilkul ho sakta hai” (yes, absolutely possible). For his part, Hamid Mir asked Dr AQ Khan if there was any chance of this being a fraud. The response was clear: “Main nay apnay level per investigate kiya hai aur koi fraud waraud nahi kiya hai” (I have investigated the matter and there is no fraud involved). The head of the Pakistan Council of Scientific and Industrial Research, Dr Shaukat Parvaiz, went further: “hum nay bhi iss pay kam karaya tha” (we had some work done on this too).
So, what is the problem? It’s that the laws of physics, in particular a fundamental scientific principle known as the Second Law of Thermodynamics, impose inviolable constraints. Every machine constructed anywhere uses the Second Law. This is something that I learned in my first year as a student at MIT and have taught for 40 years. No serious scientist would dream of challenging the Second Law. Agha Waqar Ahmad’s ‘water kit’, if one believes science to be right, simply cannot work. What the inventor, the ministers, the anchors and scientists claim on TV is wrong.
To his credit, the only person on TV that seemed to know this elementary principle was Dr Attaur Rahman, a chemist and a former HEC chairman. I have not agreed with all his actions and views in the past, but he alone rejected the claims about the new machine. Sadly, he was not able to hold back the tide of a nation desperate for any answer to its energy woes.
The water fraud will be exposed soon enough and, like a bad posterior smell, will go away. A simple experiment will make this happen faster. Here’s how: take an emergency electricity generator, of which there are thousands in Islamabad. Its engine is similar to that in a car. Remove the fuel tank and make sure the ‘water kit’ contains only water. Then ask the inventor to connect it up and run the generator. Let there be enough sharp-eyed witnesses of intelligence and integrity.
But this episode raises bigger questions. Scientific frauds exist in other countries, but what explains their spectacular success in Pakistan? Answer: our leaders are lost in the dark, fumbling desperately for a miracle; our media is chasing spectacle, not truth; and our great scientists care more about being important than about evidence. It is easy for them all to get away with this. As a nation, we have proven unwilling to do the hard work needed to learn to reason, to be sceptical, to demand proof, to understand even basic science. It is easier to believe the world is run by magic and conspiracies, to wish and wait for Aladin’s magic lamp. We live in the age of jahilliya.
Published in The Express Tribune, August 3rd, 2012.
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@.Tanzeel “The earth is flat” was not based on scientific knowledge whereas second law of thermodynamics is a scientific fact which can even be proved on quantum levels.
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Not the first time a claim like this has been made and people have jumped on the band wagon. Check out the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_jKLRc73L8
Personally, I am not sure if this is possible or not and am not sure how the second law of thermodynamics prevents it. I do know however, that to break the Hydrogen and oxygen bond in water requires immense energy.
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@Tanzeel:
“There was a law once, that ‘earth is flat’ and we all believed in it.” What is your source of information?
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For 65 years we waged jihad in Kashmir and sought strategic depth in Afghanistam. We idolised our warriers and marginalized our men of letters … even percecuted them, like Abdus Salam and many, many others all in the name of religion. A Q Khan was made a national hero … the horror story is long and sickening.
I think the worst is yet to come.
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This drama shows that only one thing can be done succesfully in Pakistan; that Fraud.
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This drama show that only one thing can be done very easily in Pakistan; that is Fraud, as no other Nation has this level of Nonsense to believe such stupid ideas at this mass level.
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It looks like I am missing out on something. Didn’t watch the whole talk show, no doubt, but what I got was, and correct me if I am wrong, that he is simply using distilled water to produce hydrogen gas – not a biggie; we did it in our labs during Intermediate level education – and is simply using the freshly produced hydrogen gas instead of the CNG cylinder.
@ The critics:
I think that everyone of you should ‘technically’ investigate the matter yourself before criticizing someone’s effort publicly because it may NOT be breaking the Second Law of Thermodynamics! I am thinking on the lines of “conversion of different forms (we’ll have to study this in detail) of energy to kinetic energy” even without any outside cheat-kit or whatever, as someone said. The resultant obviously being a “cheaper alternative fuel” and not a “magic kit” with >100% efficiency.
@ The Supporters:
Desperate you’re and will probably stay to be for quite some time for solutions to all the problems the country is facing but it doesn’t mean that you start going “blah” without “technical verification of a proclaimed technical invention by technical people” and not by Ministers or Cabinet people or by the HEC/PEC (whatever body that was) people at a glance by gauging mileage etc. or the ALWAYS TRUTHFUL MEDIA!
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Mr Hoodbhoy misquoted AQ Khan on the fraud wraud statement… instead the statement was issued by Dr Shaukat actually… watchout when you quote on record, Sir!
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I agree with Tanzeel. Please be open and evaluate the project fairly. It seems that professional graduates are looking down up the diploma holders. Please give technical analysis instead of criticizing the person.
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This Hoodby has done nothing in the field of scinece in his whole life but discourage others who graduated from local institutions and done greater work than these so-called scientists
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Only thieves and smugglers like Dr Khan and company will support hoax like this…For those who do not believe this as hoax… lets start Pakistani army using this kit for all its battle tanks, trucks, armoured carrier vehicles, F 16,…….. Army will save billions…..and May be coalition support fund will be used for construction of bridges, hospitals….
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@Tanzeel:
Hey the time you are talking about was when there was no scientific evidences available, now every thing is being tested and retested in laboratory.
Even if car can run from from, it cannot merely run on 100% water only…. It is just against the law of conservation of energy…
being an engineering student I was really confused how it can happen but did not express myself unless I read something, may be there is some new innovation, but it does not seem so…
Well the simple experiment from Dr. Pervaiz can make things clear.
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I absolutely agree with law of thermodynamics and respect this article and all the comments that are against this water kit! I am not an engineering student but still I believe its not possible. Important question is why can’t we have that kit inspected by some top level universities of the country first? And declare it publicly with proof whether its invention or fraud?
As far as, Dr. Abdul Qadeer is concerned he is a great scientist. I saw Hamid Mir’s program and DR. AQ Khan has no where favored the invention, infact he has asked Agha Waqar to register for patent if he’s confident of this research, which is not wrong at all.
Yes I am surprised by statement from head of the PCSIR, Dr Shaukat Parvaiz as mentioned in the blog.
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Since the day first I wondered how a man can get more energy by applying lesser energy, and was ashamed when Dr AQ Khan said there was no fraud. Dr Samar however suggested three levels of experiments to prove the theory was working! I think our scientists are not clear on their knowledge else they would never have opted to believe that a certain process could create energy. Creations are absolutely to Allah, none else, but let a nation that can believe double shah feel joy over the kind of imposter in engineering!
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Hello “ENGINEERS”
Has anyone of you bothered to have a look on that car… or does any institute tried to examine it.. That guy said he had gone to NUST for the certification but they were asking for 5 million rupees.. Bull*… If this kind of technology would have been invented in Germany or Japan or America… Every Fing rule of physics would have been changed yet. But this is done in Pakistan.. n by a guy from no where… Atleast he should be from a very well named Engineering university… But from Khairpur’s polytechnic institute… com’ on…
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I am sick with media war on the issue of “discovery(So Called)” Why not Dr. Hoodbhoy and Dr. Atta-ur-Rehaman personally demand for a demo????, That will consumed hardly one day of their precious life but it will be helpful to finished this drama at very beginning.Recommend
The title of the article shows by itself that it was ore-determinism that was running here. The claimed inventor is sitting in Pakistan and is accessible. The laws of thermodynamic Dr. Hoodbhoy and Dr. Attaur Rehman are referring must be valid but no laws are permanent as there was once a claim that earth was flat and scientists based on observations and mathematics went close to finding out the reality. Moreover the scientists like Dr. Samarmubarakmand and Dr. AQ Khan have claimed that it was possible. It means scientific community is divided. These two scientists have been part of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons development and their opinions cannot be sidelined like this. Dr. Attar Rehman and Dr. Hoodbhoy should have analyzed the claim before commenting on it. If they are so true in their conjecture then why not go and debunk this ‘fraud’? This is least expected from a person like Hoodbhoy who claims to follow process of reason. He is just basing his arguments on latent knowledge and pre-determined perceptions rather than rule of open inquiry that has been hallmark of science throughout ages.
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Pervez Hoodbhoy until now i thought that you are very intelligent man, but now my views are changed. Engineer of car kit clearly mention that it uses the Battery to break the water and then used the separated hydrogen. You big fool trying to demoralized the Pakistani talent.
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@Sabih Zafar Ullah:
How can you be so sure that Higgs Boson is smaller than Tanzeel’s brain? We have some evidence of Higgs Boson but so far none for his intelligence.
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“It didn’t matter that the rest of world couldn’t extract energy from water; he had done it” … correct me if i’m wrong but don’t people all around the world extract energy from water. Isn’t electricity a form of energy? and building water dams is a way of extracting that energy? I’m no physicist or a scientist, just an economist/historian but then again I didn’t say those words. I might be wrong here but just in case i’m not, shouldn’t a guy who got his masters and PhD degree from MIT should know about this?
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sir you have said that the kit doesn’t follow 2nd law of thermodynamics but sorry to say kit has nothing to do with energy. it just supply proper fuel to oxygen ratio in order to run engine and the engine then burns this mixture to provide work and 2nd law of thermodynamic simply states that amount of heat energy obtained by burning fuel cannot be used completely to do a work and some heat is dissipated in environment. so for 2nd law of thermodynamics to be considered we have to study an engine not a kit. and in my opinion if the engine is a simple fuel engine used in cars there should be no problem in running it by a water kit.
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. well no one among Dr.Pervaiz hood,, Dr.Atta ,DR AQ, Dr.S.Mubarak have check it in personal and verified its authenticity or of being fraud. We should explore the whole thing in personal before we start being judgmental… All we can do is to hope for the best now and vaqar seems to be better than a lot of us after all he put into it his efforts and that on his own expense not from country’s budget
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If not the car, this article has gone ballistic!
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This man should replace God then… cuz as far as we know even he hasn’t created a perpetual motion machine… :D
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Dear Parvez sir
as an Indian engineer, I can only laugh at your guys.
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I am sure its all fake. Ridiculous.
See that how our Azad media … is projecting him.. they have no scientific knowledge at all.
Very unfortunate.
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Thank God !! Finally I have read something worthy…
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This man didn’t break any law or gone against the law; he just given a new idea to creat energy out of Nature given resource “Water”; …what are ring-magnets and their function???
THis is the age of precised instruments, just compare the size of CPU 20 years older and new one..can you guys give a ratio of speed between the two…
Sciene is not an object closed in a box..it has limitless rnges on invention and possible improvements………DON’T STOP LANDING OF NEW IDEAS IN PAKISTAN…GIVE VALUE TO IDEAS..THESE MAY BECOME PRECIOUS GEMS IN FUTURE..
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I was waiting for your reply Sir, Thank you :)
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The problem with us Pakistanis is that we immediately get on to the political side of the issue. The man has tried something new in Pakistan and indeed has the potential so why not to encourage him to translate this into an efficient one. Did Wright brothers invented the jet plane on the very first attempt?? Was the modern computer just built in one singile piece as we see of today??
Science has evolved over a period of time and we have not yet reached its limits. Laws keep proving right and wrong. Once no body questioned E=mc2 but now people have started questioning it, the universe existed since even but then we discovered that there was a big bang. So what Mr. Waqar needs is an encouragement and who knows that within few years we really come up with some kind of a real invention. Who knows we discover that there was an issue with the law of thermodynamics and now we know a little more than what we previously knew. And Mr. Waqar is not the only one working on the project, there are others as well:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gas-mileage/4271579
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Mr. Hoodboy:
An excellent article. However, one doesn’t need to do an experiment with generator to know this is a fraud!
A simple explanation of physics would’ve sufficed. Effectively what the engineer is claiming to do is equal to ‘perpetual motion’!
He says he separates Water into Hydrogen & oxygen, and then hydrogen combustion with oxygen (generating water again) gets more energy than what he has put in to breaking up water molecule? So, he starts with a water molecule, ends with water molecule – where did the energy come from?
If he can then its equal to getting energy in perpetuity, without loss of matter! That’s against fundamental laws of physics.
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This is nothing but an extremely innovative pre-election gimmick to give a new though fraudulent ‘hope’ to the desperate masses, and make then forget their failures in last 4 years.They know how short term the memory of our masses is.
Who cares if after elections the stunt will fail to stand on its feet. With so many Ministers, and the official scientists rallying with it, can’t you all see the unseen?
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@Ghulam Rasool Chandio:
come out of it … Hoodbhoy and Ataur Rehman are not punjabis , … infact all who are favouring agha are from Punjab ….Grow up you sick head
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A great shame and embarrassment,not because it is or could be a fraud, but the way it is being projected by our media has made it so loud now that the whole world will mock.
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Discussing science @ET is the perfect recipe for a good laugh!
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Prof. Hoodbhoy is a pseudo-scientist and is dead wrong. This technology is the real thing, and I am afraid will upset the power-balance in South Asia.
As an Indian, I am just burning with envy at how Pakistan has beaten us at technological advancement.
I can only fervently hope our conventional edge over the Pak Army will still hold when you guys convert all your Tanks, artillery units, fighter jets & troop transport vehicles to run on this path-breaking water-kit technology.
Of course, it is only with great relief that I note that this brilliant Engineer Waqar fellow has not yet found a way to fuel your nuclear-capable missiles using water-kits. I sincerely hope this innovation eludes him.
snigger snigger
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Only Pakistanis can pull this stunt in Pakistan.
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Its a shame that nobody, even the media did any research on the topic and everybody took it as a chat patta piece of news, the only thing they know is to create hype and make money out of it and sadly the engineer has exploited that.
Water Power has been around for a long time (first patent in 1939 !!)
Hydrogen is the main component which is used to create energy (water does not burn).
Only problem has been Energy required to seperate hydrogen from water is greater than what you get back in turn to move the wheels, so you are better off storing that energy in batteries and moving wheels from there..
Hydrogen can be produced through other ways, though its an entirely different topic of hydrogen economy and why its not feasible as well.
The best option that is sustainable is to produce power from renewable sources which do not require input of energy such as wind turbines, sea turbines, Bio Gas and use energy from there.
Every energy expert in the world, even in Pakistani industry knows that.. However no one bothered to ask them.
There is a reason why non of the multi billion corporations didnt send their private jets full of money flying in and getting the engineer to work for them :P
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXHR5P3X_GA&feature=youtu.be
So dr. umar saif gives his opinion… the whole issue is so idiotic
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I would like to point out that a nuclear explosion generates far more energy than is put into making two uranium chunks combine to form a critical mass. How this is reconciled with the Thermodynamics law I would leave it to the writer to expound on but the point to test is if the electricity used to separate the Hydrogen from the oxygen is more than the energy output from burning the Hydrogen. Thats all except for the safety of the hydrogen which is highly explosive. The matter is for engine engineers to pursue and Ataur Rahman should have used less accusatory language to express his justified skepticism.
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@Cynical:
Because we humans are not God.
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Pervaiz Hoodbhoy’ you are great. I knew that you had differences with Dr.Atta in the past yet you gave credit to him for rejecting the so-called water kit. As far as the laws are concerned it is Pakistan and here every law can be proved to be wrong. There is a law that “killing of an innocent person is tantamount to the killing of whole humanity” but we the so-called Muslims have proved it wrong by killing not one but thousands of innocent persons and saying that humanity is still there.
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Dr. Hoodbhoy,
Thank you for the article. Incidentally I also watched that program and could not believe the ignorance of TV anchor, head of PCSIR and AQ Khan. That was really embarrassing. I would not even mention about political jokers because they can do anything to be in the lime light. Even some remarks from the readers are echoing some hope from this fraud and misleading so-called invention. I guess, in this kind of despair environment, people of my beautiful Pakistan are waiting for some miracle or divine hand. The only divine hand is hard work and dedication.
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AoA, But you also did not prove scientifically that how “Water as a fuel theory” failed.
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I feel ashamed when I see so much attention given to this fake invention. Where should I hide???
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A Pakistani friend of mine had given me the you tube link to this story on Facebook my response was” If true it would be great for Pakistan and the world but lets not go overboard because we have had some such claimants in India also who have later on proved to be frauds. If however a scientist like Prof Hoodbhoy were to certify this claim i would be thrilled”
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We are ignoring one other aspect which relates to our infrastructure and research institutes. In my opinion, to present any idea is not the fault(no matter true or not) but the exposour to media and acceptance of scientists without testing and this is the duty of scientists and research institutes.
If Pakistan is going to face another joke then it is not due to that engineer who present this idea but due to scientists and research institutes & media. And also I request be polite in answering and during your compliments as the harsh way can discourage the true true as well.
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My advise to all friends to go and check it physically and then comment. if tomorrow it is proved right than what about hoodhboy
innitially aeroplan was run for few seconds, and see now Recommend
For all NON-Technical viewers
practical example proved:
” pump ya electric motor ko use karta huwa ho pani ko height pa la k jain and then throw that water on turbine jo usa rotate kar wa k electric energy produced kary(like in dam).. so it was seen k jitni electric energy use hoi pump ma pani ko height pa la k jany k liye utne wapis gernrate nahi hoi becoz of friction forces”
Elec. used by pump = Elec. created by turbine + energy to come over friction of turbine + energy to come over friction of pump
Elec. used by pump > Elec. created by turbine
Best engine in world can only generate upto 40%-45% of energy 60% energy is wasted in form of friction, heat …
so the man who is saying that he has genrated such type of kit.. Because orignal source of energy is not water but the electricity that started
Battery -> Electrolysis -> Hydrogen Produced -> Hydrogen Burn -> Engine Run
Batery End -> Electrolysis Stop -> Hydrogen not Produced -> not heat -> Engine Stop
According to Law of Thermodynamics (its LAW same as Newton’s LAW not a theroy)
Battery for electrolysis = Hydrogen + Oxygen + loss of energy in electrolysis(its not ideal case)
Battery for electrolysis = Hydrogen Burn + Oxygen + loss of energy in electrolysis
// // = Heat + Oxygen + CO2 + loss of energy in electrolysis
// // = move engine + loss of heat(heat that got wasted in air) + Oxygen + CO2 + loss of energy in electrolysis
// // = move engine + energy loss in friction (tyres) + loss of heat + Oxygen + CO2 + loss of energy in electrolysis
// // = move car + charge battery + energy loss in friction + loss of heat + Oxygen + CO2 + loss of energy in electrolysis
suppose 100% = 30% + 10% + 20% + 30% + 3% + 3% + 4%
Hence Proved FRAUD (If he is not FRAUD then he should clame for NOBEL PRIZE for changing the Physics)
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Much needed write-up Sir, Thanks!
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look men.
how? if you wana challenge him do it. if you wana do debate on this new invention don’t go on extreme.
he is not mad. some thing is there. remember sun is also moving
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Without going into discussions “This is the height of bankruptcy of our ruling elite as they are deeply involved in short cuts of corruptions and Agha Waqar Ahmad (Poor fellow) has been used as a tool by the persons who brought him to media, after all he too has right to rise & shine like others”
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I wonder this could be a fraud at this scale where a large number of learned people along with media and parliamentarians are evident of the phenomenon or its just professional jealousy for discouraging that gentleman to make the headway for resolution of Pakistan energy crisis.
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it is good article
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@Inimam:
@Tanzeel:
Earth being flat and sun setting in a muddy pond are illiterate if not duplicitous speculations. They are not experimentally proven laws of nature.
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Its smells something underneath. Dr. Hoodbhoy a big name in the country did not invent even single item, but a Sindhi Engineer who is educated from Khairpur, how he can bear him? I am an engineer from interior sindh, and know the laws of thermodynamics, basically Dr. Atta Ur Rehman is right, but why dont you people see Waqars invention and catch what is wrong, rather barking on channel and media. Learn to bear and appreciate others rather critizing. I had learnt but now its sure you are totally a biased person. Shame on you.
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Dear sir,
I share your hunch that this water car engineer is a fraud. But you are not a fraud and your article should reflect this! In this article you are claiming something about the engineer’s claim as if you have scientifically verified, being a scientist, that his claim is untrue. Which you have not, as far as the text goes.
The only scientific reason you give is, “It’s that the laws of physics, in particular a fundamental scientific principle known as the Second Law of Thermodynamics, impose inviolable constraints. ”
Being a scientist, of quantum physics at that, you should know that different laws of ‘classical’ physics have been proven to be violable. There was a time when they were considered inviolable, and then came a time somebody showed a violation. Being a scientist, you should be taking these laws as fallible, which you aren’t seemingly, by making fun of this engineer without proper scientific investigation. I urge you to stop acting like priests of medieval times by labeling every violation of the prevalent laws as fraud or heresy. Fortunately for our nation, you do not hold that medieval priest kind of power to go any further than that.
Kind Regards
Umar Suleman
PS. 1. Wikipedia references are generally not used to reason about a scientific claim. 2. MIT nation has equal if not greater tendency to dish success to con scientists and inventors and to believe in, arguably world’s most rigged, media without asking for basic scientific proof.
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if anybody have heard of water fuel cell which are already discovered in 1998 … why dont u search wikipedia …
The water fuel cell is a purported free energy device invented by American Stanley Allen Meyer (August 24, 1940 – March 21, 1998). He claimed that an automobile retrofitted with the device could use water as fuel instead of gasoline. The fuel cell purportedly split water into its component elements, hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen was then burned to generate energy, a process that reconstituted the water molecules. According to Meyer, the device required less energy to perform electrolysis than the minimum energy requirement predicted or measured by conventional science.[1] If the device worked as specified, it would violate both the first and second laws of thermodynamics,[1][2] allowing operation as a perpetual motion machine.[2] Meyer’s claims about his “Water Fuel Cell” and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996.[1][3]
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Congrats ET for 300+ comments. Dr. Parvez Hoodbouy is right.
One good thing we have discovered through ET today is that Pakistan does have people with scientific temper. May all our strength go to them.
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@Tanzeel
If gravity is only a law and “They tend to change with era” then do us all a favour and jump off a cliff to test it.
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I am really surprised to read this article by Dr. Pervwz Hoodbhoy. And I am pretty sure no one tried this water kit thing. Yes it’s true that water kit won’t work with a emergency electricity generator with an empty fuel tank, because some energy is used to do the electrolysis. So this is true that a car cannot run just on water, but what Agha Waqar Ahmed did was first produce some hydrogen from electrolysis of water before disconnecting the CNG. Once you have sufficient hydrogen, you can start the car and electricity from battery will do the magic with water. As long as car is running, battery keeps getting charge from alternator and that charge will keep doing electrolysis. If you have any doubts, just try it.
Please do some research before writing articles and putting comments.
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It would be great that Prof. Hood should describe the fake principle this kit is using rather than simple negating this idea based on existing law of physics. If this is fake, it means this engineer is exploiting something. Prof. Sb take some time to inspect it, do through analysis and write the article to enlighten the nation about how this engineer is exploiting something. Proof and analysis should be basis of refuting some even fake idea. And moreover, we should not always take pessimistic view about everything. He should be praised that he tried someting in small institute at least.
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@Tanzeel:
While it may be true that science does change its mind in light of new evidence, the degree of belief about different things being true does vary among the different things that science holds true. For example, we have a lot of evidence in support of the theory that earth is round. We have seen it from outer space and now we are pretty-sure that it is round. What would it take to show us that it is flat? I guess there is no room for it being flat any more.
Similarly there are scientific laws which have so much evidence supporting them that anyone who claims to have broken them is at fault himself. The laws of thermodynamics are among such laws.
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They way we are treating the matter is just amazing and astonishing. We need further investigations in this regards rather putting it as fraud. Fuel & Petrol mafia is now on pitch to fail this initiative and these people are taking money to express their opinions about the invention.
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@Sabih Zafar Ullah:
please lets not be scandalous as a nation . give the poor man a chance to prove himself if earth is not flat is not the right example by tanzeel . please remember that vision is something that we lack wright brothers had a vision for a flying machine after numerous failures and crashed they finally changed the world forever . give the man credit for having a vision trying to find alternative source of energy. it may not work this time but may be some day he will be able to do something for the country please donot discourage people from Thinking in this country give them the freedom to think and invent even if it is wrong as they re already deprived of resources and facilities . let this nation open its mind …. You might be knowing alot Higgs boson watever nobody can challenge your competence here on this forum but unless you come up with something beneficial for this country we dont care about your competence . Dr Qadeer has done a service to the nation so has Dr Samar Mubarik mand .. and we expect our scientist to do something abt the worst current energy crises we re facing and if they dont do something now then their competence make no sense to us .
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A. Leave Agha Waqar’s car alone.
B. Take his water kit.
C. Bring it to any motor mechanic’s shop.
D. Attach it to any engine.
E. Fill it with water.
F. Press ‘Start’.
If it works- Good.
If not……Look before you leap.
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@sana:
I cannot tell what a great thinker Hoodbhoy has contributed in High Energy Physics which is his field and not mine but I’m sure being a Chemistry graduate of an age of his past students that it is quite unusual to have Bachelor & PhD from MIT for especially any Pakistani. Moreover, being a scientist of true nature he was the first one of all the scientist and social scientists in the whole world who warned of the disasters with the reasons when none even from America was aware of what the whole sale indoctination that produced present day Talibans. It was his piece of writing in a book edited by Air Marshal (rtd) Ghulam Asghar, Vanguard Books Lahore, in 1984 when the dark era of Islamization of sate and society was at its peak and Ronald Ragon, the then president of USA was not behind any to admire these Taliban as Mujahideen etc.
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If Abdul Qadir Khan… the great “googly specialist” is saying it is possible then it is definitely possible :)
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One does not need tp be a brilliant scientist to understand what a nation of quacks we are becoming. One just needs integrity.
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@Ali Sajid Imami:
excellent Sir.
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Dr Sahib, being fan of yours and a close friend of one of your colleagues Prof Jameel Umer, I am well aware of command you possess on subject you teach, i.e, Physics. It is difficult to disagree with you but this articles seems to make credentials of our reputed scientists (Dr Qadeer, Dr Samar) questionable. If ignorant commons like us look for some magic lamp, there is nothing to be concerned about, however those whom we pinned high hopes of some miracle in our lives, ignorance of basic laws of physics on their part is appalling.
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MMr. Hoodbhoy, though I do believe about the validity of this invention, I am shocked to see this rather degrading attitude towards mr Waqar and where he graduated from? Let me remind you sir, and I don’t like doing this but your apparent contempt for his education has forced me to, Steve Jobs, the greatest innovator of our times without question, was a first term dropout from Reid college. You sir, possess 4 more degrees than Mr. Jobs and all from much more prestigious institution. Do you see where I am going with this? I need not say more.
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I think there is possibility !
I don’t think its totally fraud….
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for your kind information, agha waqar has run the generator as well and its not good to discourage anyone who has come up with something new …u may criticize the method but not the person as he has not begged any money…trillions of rupees are wasted in unwanted projects in our country which fail miserably why do you have any objection on the thing which is still at its primary stage…Recommend
@Tanzeel:
Theories have indeed been proved wrong . . . however, there is a prescribed way for doing that. Politicians, and even individual scientists, are NOT equipped to prove/disprove scientific theories; instead, it is the job best done by Scientific Institutes and/or a team of scientists.
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haha, I could not control my laugh while reading this article…Your article reminds me of one famous joke circulated through SMS regarding Pakistanis “if none could do it then how can you do it”.
Theories are subject to changes and his practical has successfully refuted the past ones. To invent something does not always require an MIT degree. And yeah all the great men in history were once considered fools by the people like us.
We simply can’t accept the fact that a country like Pakistan can do something. Please try to appreciate the talent!
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@Ghulam Rasool Chandio:
AOA,
Brother,
I am also from a backword village, but….reality is reality.
A note of 100 Rs is always 100 Rs note in all Pakistan, it can never be equal to 1000 Rs note.
Every thing in this universe is made by ALLAH and some “laws” govern this universe.
All such laws are made by ALLAH and scientists only discovered these.
Every system in this universe follows these basic laws.
I respect Agha Sb but his car can not run fully on water for 2000 Km, that car can run 15~20 km but not 2000~2500 km. If his car would be able to run on water, why he used CNG or petrol to run car for last six months since when he made this “water Kit”???
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The writer appears to just be jealous that despite having gone to MIT and teaching for decades, a locally educated inventor could ‘outwit’ him and the world! This is common ‘elitist’ thinking in Pakistanis. People educated abroad can not admit the locals have world-class talent and capabilities!! Most inventions in history were not made by big scientists, but by simple individuals who just decided to change the world to the better!
Muslims have always been at the forefront of innovation and eduction. Both in arts and science they have out-classed the world! The writer needs to self-reflect why someone else’s success is pinching him? Is that the result of his education or simply arrogance!!
Salute to the water vehicle inventor! you will be remembered in history!! Share your miracle with the world and make us all proud !!
Thank you for reading!
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I was waiting for Prof. Hoodbhoy to share his thoughts on this fraud. I totally agree with him. thank God we have some sane people among our scientific community, majority of whom so naively believe in this water kit ‘invention’.
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I think this will be proved wrong as this is against the laws of science. If that is the case, the scientists who have been supporting the water theory, should be subjected to verification of their Scientific Knowledge and rechecking their credentials for holding such high posts. Anchors and Ministers should be taken to task for bringing more disrepute to this unfortunate country of innocents and ignorant.
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Quit surprising it was to see the response of people of Pakistan. The conclusion of this lifted-up story has proved how low the level of people is about the simple basics of science principles. The renowned media personalities, our Phd scientist too easily started to believe on the working of this water kit with out examine the kit technically. That is the reason why we lack today in technological advancements. I agree with Pervez Hoodbhoy totally and really there was only one person who seems to know and understand the science, hence opposed and said it a fraud is DR Atta ur Rehman. Hats-off
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@mirza, just to correct you, BS is a form of energy. Dung may be and is collected and used to produce biogas to generate electricity and heat. Its is being promoted in the US as a source of alternative green energy
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Glad you wrote about this. It’s very disappointing how the media gave it so much attention.
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It is one of the most shared articles in social media in recent times, which itself speaks of its volumes. Bravo Hoodbhoy.
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I am laughing since last 2 days, not on the halla hoo of media and politician praises for the Engineer, but on the quality of education that we ordinary pakistanis are getting and state of knowlege our reknown scientests and Engineers who Dont Know basic Physics ‘Wow’
It is sindh punjab issue now, it is CJ sou moto issue now, it is qusetion of our Eman and kufr and blah blah….
God bless this great country of ignorants.
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Very well said sir, but you mention the second law of thermodynamics without dwelling into it. I know that would have been very complicated but you should have at least explained what the second law of thermodynamics is and connected it to Agha Waqar Ahmad’s experiment. To give some proof to us skeptics.
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Again dear … we all the know the repute of Pervaiz Hoodbhoy. His anti Pakistan and Islam agenda. Here in this article he like Dr. Atta ur Rehman has accused Aga Sb and again used the theoretical laws that he had been reading and teaching
since ages. He cited MIT class experience to impress and make his point more powerful. However, unfortunately this article is just another allegation and propaganda campaign. Why not Mr. Hoodbuoy goes there and examines this piece of equipment, I hope he would learn new things to teach in the future. We all should take into account that these laws of Physics are not the laws of Almighty God and not the words of Holly Book. They can change and adjust with new things. I JUST CAN’T UNDERSTAND THAT THESE SO CALLED SCIENTIST WHO BELIEVE THAT SCIENCE IS DOING RESEARCH ARE GIVING OPINIONS AND NOT DOING THE BASIC FACTOR OF RESEARCH. SIR, PLZ GO THERE AND EXAMINE YOURSELF…. Nation should ask questions to these two doctors why they are making assumptions why don’t they go and see for themselves how this thing works. I wounder if this might have happened in USA, UK or anywhere else in the world scientists would have gathered to help refine this thing and would have sold to the world error free version of this. Even though it had been a fluke…
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Very bad wording used for Agha Waqar Ahmed in this artical.
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Let us even assume that the car is running on Hydrogen. Do people even know how much energy is needed to break up water to Hydrogen and Oxygen. First use energy to break up water. Where is this energy coming from ? Its not magic that is going to make this happen. Also the amount of energy produced by burning this hydrogen will ALWAYS be less than that is used to produce it.
People around the world are not retards. Millions of dollars have been spent by the smartest people on the planet trying to find smart ways to make it easier and find more efficient ways to produce energy and some engineer from a tiny town in Pakistan has supposedly managed it. Shameful that there are a ton of people who are actually defending him. Im sure its allah who has decided to give the thekedars of islam Pakistan this great power to solve the energy/financial/electrical …. problems. What a joke of a country Pakistan is. Shameful.
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@Dr. Pervaiz: It’s unfair to drag Dr. Samar into this. His claim was that “hydorgen fuel can be used to run cars but is expensive and the rest of his views were same as Dr. Atta-Ur-Rehman’s, but in a nicer tone” If you want to confirm what I have just said please watch the PTV show “Such tou yeh hai”. In this show Dr. Samar clearly says that the equipment is not capable of running a car and that this violates the laws. If you want to drag him just becaue he said the same things as Dr. Atta but in a nicer tone then that’s unfair and makes your credibility questionable.
There is no point arguing with people who are waiting for miracles and disrespect their Teachers and PhD doctor for such frauds. They will not and cannot understand scientific facts. I hope that Dr. Atta Ur Rehman takes some practical steps to end this embarrassment. I doubt we’ll learn any lesson even if it were proven a fraud. People will have the opinion ” AWWWW koi baat nahin at least he tried. This shows our nation is a nation of inventors”. As a science student I just feel embarrassed.
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aahh A guy writing for a foreign English newspaper bashing media for spreading hoax. Tell me one thing Mr Hoodbhoy, who do you want to give this message to through this outlet? less than .0001% Pakistanis whom this paper reaches? So according to your view, best way to beat Pakistani ignorance is to write an article in a foreign newspaper, collect your check and have a laugh with your friends. You do have a simple life, don’t you?. Now this guy may well be a fraud, but have you challenged him personally? No. your suggestion is for every Pakistani to call that guy home and test him on home generator. I wonder how many lives that will take the guy to prove himself. Simple fact of the matter is that just like your brothers in media, you are only blowing your own trumpet. As far as the government is concerned, I am sure that they have this fourth meeting planned to finalize a way of making money out of this. I cannot say what pressure our scientists were under to support this “fraud”, as you call it. It may have been the pressure from 200 million energy hungry people. All of you, calling Dr. Samar and AQ Khan dumb, take a good look at yourselves and be ashamed. Nations forgetting their heroes so easily never become great. Those guys have achieved a lot for this nation, come back when you do half as much as they have done.
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I am curious, what does qoran says about second law of thermodynamics. If it is not mentioned in qoran then it is just man made law and can be broken.
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writing an article in a comfortable room wont do good for us … Go check the credibility yourself … i still don’t understand the so called scientist’s rigid refusal to say No it cant be … come on go ahead and check it yourself … do it man
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While reading these comments I am shocked and saddened by our usage of strong words (and since its Ramadan we cant even blame it on the shaitan).
Please remember that when we comment in this forum about the “inventor” in strong words, we are bad mouthing only our own country man.
It also shocks me how people, by reading just one article can form such strong opinions about a man’s work, especially, when the above article merely seems a detailed CRITIQUE to the “publicity” given to such an “invention”.
I am no science person but I do know the difference between a “well-researched answer” article and one that is aimed at just throwing dirt at someone and unfortunately this article falls in the later category.
And from the comments it seems that the author gives a high priority to students who praise him strongly below his articles, rather than those who may disagree with him or so many of his students who not have commented or at least with such “boot licking” vocab…
All I want to say is that if there is really an invention of such a kind, give the man a chance or prove him a liar with evidence and not with words that may show your shallow character and your dirty minds…
Thankyou
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I think its not fraud be open your mind and check what he is saying he is saying to come in front of me give me any car i will run that on water….So go an ask him….y you are wasting your time and all others,just ask to come and prove….
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In this case, the attitudes of scientists, politicians, and general innocent public clearly reflect and confirm that we are not tuned to look for basis through evidence. The research and its role in our culture is absolutely absent.
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well i cannot understand what this all has to do with the second law of thermodynamics… the concept of fuel cell is pretty old and simple, use water and some catalyst in a fuel cell, apply voltage to the electrodes and you get oxygen and hydrogen gas, fill that hydrogen gas inside a tank ,then take a pipe from the tank into the CNG kit , and here you go .., and ive also witnessed a simple household emergency electrical generator with a gas kit running on this fuel cell….though it was an experiment….
okay the problems are , as well as know that hydrogen is most combustive gas, and it is an exothermic process, so you cannot run your engines on this for long as these engines are not designed for this , but yeah it is possible, but the personally this claim is not something extraordinary, …as there is no such rocket science involved ..plus its not like he invented something new which the world didn’t knew about, there are some flaws to it otherwise the whole world have been running their cars on water….
anyhow i dont know why is everyone having negative comments on this , guys try to appreciate and encourage …
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We are living in the world of ignorance. The water kit fraud will be exposed soon.
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@Ali S:
right you are bro…agree with you 100%
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@Tanzeel:
Than’s not how it works. It works with evidence, not wishful thinking. There is not a single credible observation in the macro-world where 2nd law of thermodynamics has been violated. Not just earthly phenomena like engines, refrigerators etc. are dependent on second law, but the theories and explanations of the workings of the universe depend on the validity of the second law. Don’t try to gloss over science by sweeping philosophical comments.
Finally:
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@Fowad Iqbal:
An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof.
Scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.
Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of phenomena, and design experimental studies to test these hypotheses via predictions which can be derived from them. These steps must be repeatable, to guard against mistake or confusion in any particular experimenter.
Scientific inquiry is generally intended to be as objective as possible in order to reduce biased interpretations of results. Another basic expectation is to document, archive and share all data and methodology so they are available for careful scrutiny by other scientists, giving them the opportunity to verify results by attempting to reproduce them. This practice, called full disclosure, also allows statistical measures of the reliability of these data to be established
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A guy saw how desperate his nation is for energy resources and how ignorant the people are, so he came up with a brilliant idea of making himself a national hero by a fraud. And the politicians are going a long with it because they saw how the ignorant people believed it so its their chance to show that they really wanna do something about the energy problem. As long the media is concerned they just wanna come up with some spicy news to attract more veiwers and make more money. But all of them have ignored the fact that how its going to destroy the countrys images in the world.
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Brothers and Sisters,
Till date and time we have 340 comments on this article by HOODBHOY.
How many of us will remember this absurd event occurs in Pakistan??. we do have very short memories. Mr Agha got his fame, our scientists, journalist and POLITICIANS defamed as always.
Thumbs up for HOODBHOY and Dr. ATTA.
Thumbs down for all the rest (Including Dr. Samar and Dr. Qadeer).
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Readers, kindly visit Wikipedia – Stanley Meyer’s Water Fuel Cell, to know the reality of water fuel
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Agha water (Waqar) has demonstrated his invention before scientist, and other no one has denied at that moment.
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So Hoodbhoi(I never understood ur name really) lets say if, only if, this guy’s idea(i will not call it an invention) somehow comes out to be true, lets just for 1 sec suppose that, would you leave your profession for good? because it will clearly show that you are incapable of thinking out of the box and other possibilities that exist in this mystrious world of ours.And because you remain a part of that majority of human race who never encourage a new thought which might not be entirely correct but may lead to something else that is even better.I heard that you are a professor, well if you are than dear sir anybody can teach others by reading and learning from someother ppl’s work. The real thing is that you do something that other ppl learn and than they make others learn that too. I’m not saying that Agha Waqqar is right, i dont know that, but what i am saying is that you sir will never be able to leave behind you something that ppl before you didnt know. You simply dont have the capacity to dream.Not only that,but you also hate those who do dream of something that is impossible.
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Agha Waqar should incorporate a “loss-compensating” solar panel on his vehicle to shut-up all non-sense that currently he is receiving from too many fathers of Physics and Thermodynamics.
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At first when I saw it on TV, I was quite delicate to hear this but I was quite unfortunate of how it works. Suddenly after some rough watching I came to the conclusion that it somehow forms an OH ion from water molecules and then break the ion which is certainly an exothermic reaction, which the NASA uses to power their shuttles, but now without any doubt it is impossible what he says…
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Bothers and Sisters,
340 comments till date and time on this article from Hoodbhoy, Ok, Good number and good cooments as well.
But the problem is how many of us will remember that this absurd event / incident occurs in Pakistan?
According to Mr. Agha he has already been contacted by some international companies for industrial scale production for this so called “WATER KIT”. so go with them, they do have better resources.
The thing is Mr. Agha got his fame, our JOURNALISTS, SCIENTISTS and POLITICIANS got defamed in my eyes and hope for few others.
Thumbs upf for HOODBHOY and Dr. ATTA.
Thumbs down for the rest of bunch (Including Dr. Samar and Dr. Qadeer).
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may be no one gives my comment an importance, but still i think as my responsibility to share.
1) energy released by splitting H2O to HHO is almost equal to energy given to break H2O. but whole world knows that burning of these two gases release about double of the energy given to it while breaking. respected writer scientist may know it.
2) what 2nd Law of thermodynamics i have studied is “such heat engine cannot ever be devised which exerts no heat to LTR (low temperature reservoir i.e, atmosphere normally)
majesty, can i ask you, what is the thing contradicting here ???
mean to say, that AGHA WAQAR has not devised a new engine stating it won’t release any heat to atmosphere….. he has just tried to find a way to convert H2O to H,H,O and then to burn them, and burning them will definitely yeild heat to atmosphere.
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If Pakistanis are pushing the boundaries of scientific laws, the Indians must not be left far behind.
Indians must go one step further and invent a car that runs on urine. A simple device – lets call it the MICTURINATOR will split up the urine into Hydrogen, Oxygen and Phosphorus. The Hydrogen & Oxygen will be used to run the engine and the phosphorus will be used to make fertilizers – thereby increasing food production.
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Thanks for exposing our jahil nation. Cheers.
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Any expert who has practical experience in such matter and who has done with education in Mechanical engineering would criticize that ..these Dr.samar and Dr. abdulqadir (Metallurgical engineers) are not of Mechanical background and can only give general opinion..the Media is foolish who is Not asking an Expert and rather relaying on what said by Dr.samar and our stupid politicians..
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wow Mr. Pervez Hoodbhoy you spent your all energy in criticizing this inventor, would you like to please tell me that have you approached the inventor and asked him to do experiment on electric generator(as per your suggestion)????? Simple is that The Writers of your type are hired to just demotivate the people who wants to do something for Pakistan.
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@ Dr Hoodbhoy,
Your effort is appreciateable, the only objection i have that you used the word engineer for this man (Agha). A man who dont have fundamental understanding of science, engineering & mathematics does even qualify to claim E of engineer?
A man (Agha) who dont know that distilled water cannot be electrolyzed, capacitors dont work on pure DC, resonance cannot be created from capacitors on pure DC, he even dont know the resonace frequecy of water and what amplitude of waves is required to break the bond, a man who just knows that clarofic value of hydrogen is three times of gasoline but dont know that its density is approx 7.5 times less so you cant feed it into engine with natural aspiration (without modification), a man who dont know what enegy he is putting and what getting out in KW and have no energy balance equation. A man even dont know what he has done and what process is happining in his invention.
But he has broken first, second & third law of thermodynamics, he has slaughtered physics & chemistry. He has even shaked the fundamentals of mathematics.
But with all his ignorance he is saying that he designed the kit and has made calaculation. isint illogical. OR some angles just appeared from heaven and just invented everthing for mr Agha and they forgot to tell him what they have done.
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If he can do this why not a Pakistani could…If it is a fraud lets give it a try what other options do we have ?Lets see whats coming in our way now..
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the scientists of the whole world are after to control the energy crisis in world ,from more than100 years now try to get energy from different ways , till now they did not get a scientific procedure to get output>input always output<input . and to break H2O INTO needs energy and we cant get 100% out put, there loss of energy. And here is just water Agha Waqar should know it . If he really got the way to produce more out put than in put then he should just demostrate only car engine without car without patrol tank and with out CNG KIT.just only engine and 12 dc current and his WATER KIT.
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the scientists of the whole world are after to control the energy crisis in world ,from more than100 years now try to get energy from different ways , till now they did not get a scientific procedure to get output>input always output LESS THAN input . and to break H2O INTO needs energy and we cant get 100% out put, there loss of energy. And here is just water Agha Waqar should know it . If he really got the way to produce more out put than in put then he should just demostrate only car engine without car without patrol tank and with out CNG KIT.just only engine and 12 dc current and his WATER KIT.
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Sir with your due respect if it is a fraud then what method these engineers are using to run a vehicle? can you explain it please. A guy in my city from AJ&K has also claimed such success and he practically demonstrated in front of many people including engineers.
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who made these laws v humans and who change these laws v humanz ……. simple
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Dr. Pervaiz has been a very vocal again Dr. Atta Ur Rehman’s policies when he was HEC chairman. At that time, he proved him (Dr. Atta) wrong and now proving another person wrong without seeing, meeting and testing the invention. This seems based on short-sightedness and intolerance, What happens if these critics go and see themselves and tell us their observation not about law of thermo.. They must spend some time on observation rather than writing this full page article. Kindly help your Government and people to understand what is reality and do not confuse us.
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Water car and scientific fraud aside, its really good to see Dr. Hoodbhoy finally expressing ideas in a field he actually belongs to.
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well there is enough of material available on internet for making the water kit.. so we know our chap did not invent it. But what does this have to do with second law of thermo dynamics?? just for my own curiosity…as I remember the second law says no process is possible until heat is transferred from body of high temp to low temp!! so where does it come in use in hydrogen fuelled system!!!!
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You should get your facts straight, Doctor AQ Khan never said what you have quoted. It was some other person, ad please let this country be a bit optimistic. I dont kow, why pessimists like you cannot believe that, the inventor has give demonstrations to thousand of sane people ans scientists. If you have doubts go to Islamabad and check the car out.
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now i am very surprised . …. did any scientist or engineer practically tested it and shared it’s finding with people … the answer is NO till yet … read the last paragraphs of your post he is saying “The water fraud will be exposed soon enough” … her baiwakoof uth kar posts kar raha hai koi jaa kar uss machine ko test nahi kar sakta :@
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A few years back similar claim was made by a motor mechanic in India who did not get the publicity the so called Pakistani inventor is receiving.Pak media in concert with ministers and some greedy sciienctists have exposed their intellectual levels and made the country a laughing stock.The eyes are on 1.1 billion dlrs received from USA.
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We are the laughing stock of the world! Sadly we have reached that stage whereby the nations diminishes. Reminds me of the fall of Roman Empire although we never achieved the level of Roman Empire. We must check Dr. A.Q.Khan & Dr. Samarkand degrees also they might have got their degrees like Amir Liaquat and others.
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There are only two sane dudes in this country who went against the ‘EXPERIMENT’. Whats wrong in experimenting and challenging different laws of science? By the way is it the same science which is still confused whether light travels in straight line or like a wave?
The writer seems jealous of a non-popular guy from a small town coming up with atleast something. I dont even care if its fake or fraudulent, the only thing I care about is his attempt. What good Mr. Writer or Mr. Atta have done for the nation in the name of science?
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No doubt water H2O having two components, Hydrogen and Oxygen. No doubt water can be split into its two components but up to now it is scientifically approved that the energy produced is equal to energy applied to complete this process.So idea is not feasible.
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Being a student of Art, I avoid to involve into topic.But as an observer I see a healthy discussion among the educated people of Pakistan and rest of the world.I believe for a very healthy advancement in the world of Science even the inventor fails to prove it. Because many researchers advance in their fields even if their hypothesis fails.(Hypotheses proves or disproves but NEVER FAIL.
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Just keep the law of thermodynamics aside for a moment. Keeping in view the molar ratio of hydrogen in water only 0.11 kg hydrogen is present in 1 litre of water and engine’s efficiency is 30 % how can he make 50 kms in 1 litre of water when 1 kg of CNG makes only 21 kms ???
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@Tanzeel:
There was never a “law” that the earth is flat. It was a theory.
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@Cynical:
Human from clay was created by Allah. whereas this water vehicle invented by a perfect member of this nation who is filled with fraudulent ideas and crippled mind.
is there any relation between creation of man from clay to water vehicle. the posterior is an absolute fraud which was unluckily lauded by a bunch of cheaters including ministers and their henchmen.
what kind of image we are delivering to the world.
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@Tanzeel It was never a law that “earth is flat”. It was only a hypothesis that people believed in before the arrival of scientific method of inquiry.
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@HH, you have reached to the right conclusion. To me this scientist attained this position by playing religious politics.
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@Ahmer Butt:
.if u realli wana prove him wrong…then go to isb and show him where he is fooling everybody…agha has invited everi1 from pakistan to come nd prove him wrong…….;)
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What is problem with all you guys. Its simple one battery and 10 litter of water per day. Sounds expensive oho, waterkit
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there is no fraud at all in agha waqar kit to run car. acctually agha waqar is not disclosing the fact that he is mixing special material in water to produce energy to run car 100% on kit.
i know that material too but will not disclose that material as we are also making that kit too.
that is not voilating the Second Law of Thermodynamics .
acctually that material is used by poor poeple to generate energy or gas, but they are illeterare to use that system to make kit to run a car on that.
i challenge any person in the world even the writer of this blog , even after my disclosue of material every person would believe that all. as every one in pakistan see that experiment every corner of big street or shop. its not a big deal. but i will take a reasonable amount to disclose that fact.
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It is possible… !! Check these Videos plz.. and use ur mind.. Think how the water kit works as a fuel…! its the hydrogen that makes the car run..!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKjDgT5kpAk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs13jBWqFjA
Plz plz plz stop demoralizing and demotivating Creative people of Pakistan.
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@Sabih Zafar Ullah:
Well i am not sure what to say unless or until it is practically proven. science is full of ideas for example world is believing that man has landed on the moon, though arguments against it are quite convincing.i am going to post a youtube link for a research about zero point free energy please do watch it. “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38NioCGr5as”
Hope you have the answers
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there is no fraud in that water kit. i can proof that all then even a simple man can be sure of its accuracy. even that technology is being used by poor persons in pakistan. even that is not voilating the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
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few men are just jealous that they have stayed in this field for years and haven’t been able to come up with something like this and a person from a backward area (specially Sindh) has been able to achieve it.Recommend
I did a little research on it myself and this is what I found…maybe he is not using a constant electrical source, instead using electrical pulses to split water molecules…cuz one of his friends said something about pulse width modulation during an interview…and I being an electrical engineer am familiar with the process…maybe it makes the process more efficient…anyway, it should be tested thoroughly, only then anything can be said. http://www.kodasplace.com/more/watermotors.html
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I Am not a Science student myself and obviously don’t know nothing on thermodynamics as well but in my opinion Pervaiz sir and Atta-ur-Rehman are little harsh they should first see just rejecting anything outright is not fair……….And Mr Pervaiz Sahab that Polytechnic institute in Khairpur can produce a genius
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This is not some thing new… People in the past have already made a water car and found fraud in this invention.. read it your self
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StanleyMeyer’swaterfuelcell
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Well if nothing else, these stories take the nations focus off prevailing political problems… like the conspiracies implied are entertaining, fascinating and distracting people’s thoughts, taking them off the real TRUTH. It’s like Arabian Nights!
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in my opinion this is not a fraud. i will not use the word fraud for this “invention”. it’s a hard work from a polytechnic engineer who tried his best to solve the energy issue in pakistan. he may not be able to prove it theoretically but we should not discourage innovative approach. my suggestion is the different government department should select five to ten cars/ bikes/ other automobiles and place this waterkit and run these automobiles for six months in different part of the country. if it is succeeded we should name this kit as the “waqar water kit” and if not succeded then we should just forget it because in all RnD work there is a chance of success and failure. it is a normal part of research and development procedure. as a nation we should learn to encourage people with innovative approach.
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In theory, we could extract energy out of water using fusion, right? Water is the oxide of hydrogen. Hydrogen is the main fuel for all the fusion going on in the core of the sun. Why has that not been investigated? Or is it not possible?
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Pervez Hoodbhoy is a scientist but i didn’t find any scientific reasoning in his column to contradict, what Agha Waqar Ahmad is calming, it would be batter if it is written with logical reasoning rather then mare opposition.
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