HYDERABAD/ KARACHI:
The hue and cry about the Mohajir Suba took a new but ugly turn on Saturday when Sindh’s nationalist parties hit out hard at the protagonists of the ‘clandestine’ movement and warned its leaders as well as the Sindh government of serious consequences if any attempt was made to divide the province or to carve out another province out of it.
A cluster of 10 nationalist parties of Sindh at a press conference at the Karachi Press Club demanded of the government to take stern action against those responsible for organising rallies, putting up billboards and banners and graffiti in different parts of Karachi, Hyderabad and Sukkur.
The nationalist leaders belonging to Sindh National Movement, Jeay Sindh Tehreek, Awami Jamhori Party, Sindh United Party, Awami Tehreek, Jeay Sindh Qaumi Mahaz, Sindh National Party, Jeay Sindh Mahaz, Sindh Dost Democratic Party and Karachi Sindh Shehri Ittehad, also warned that Sindhi people would themselves take action against such people if the government failed to do so.
Expressing their serious concern over the demand of Mohajir Suba, the nationalists advised the Urdu-speaking community not to support any evil design of dividing Sindh. “We consider Urdu-speaking people our brothers but if they continue to demand a separate homeland here or support anti-Sindh elements, they are advised and warned to leave Sindh,” said Ali Hasan Chandio.
They said that a conspiracy was being hatched for the last couple of months. “We did not take any action fearing bloodshed but enough is enough. We are peaceful people but know how to fight for our motherland,” said Ameer Bhanbhro.
“Our elders welcomed Mohajirs at the time of partition and Urdu-speaking people enjoy all kinds of rights and privileges in Sindh today. They were elected as Nazims in major cities and are members of the national and provincial assemblies and governors as well. On the contrary, Sindhis are not given entry in the educational institutions and are denied jobs in Karachi,” said Elahi Bux Bikik.
The nationalists condemning the mysterious silence of the provincial government over the issue of Mohajir Suba and demanded the arrest of people behind this movement. “We suspect that the movement enjoys the tacit support of the provincial government. And if it is not so, the government should clear its position and impose a ban on such activities immediately,” demanded Mazhar Rahojo.
They announced a rally outside the KPC on May 28 against Mohajir Suba demand.
In Hyderabad, the Sindh Taraqi Pasand Party (STPP) issued a 72-hour ultimatum to the Sindh government to remove the wall chalking, posters, banners and posters carrying maps of Mohajir Suba from all parts of Sindh.
“If the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) and the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) government doesn’t do it then our workers will do it in every city from Karachi to Larkana. And, whatever happens as a consequence these two parties would be responsible,” said Haider Shahani, the STPP’s vice president, at a press conference on Saturday. Party’s general secretary, former vice chancellor of the Sindh Agriculture University Dr Rajab Memon, and other leaders accompanied him.
Shahani warned the PPP government of bloodshed in the province if it failed to take immediate action to defeat the designs for the division of Sindh.
He said that they have convened a meeting of all the nationalist parties to chalk out a joint strategy. The STPP vice president noted that the movement which had started with a muted demand for ‘Mohajir Suba’ by a clandestine group is now gaining momentum as an organised movement “with support of the MQM.” He alleged that “the governor is supporting them and arranging transport for their rallies.”
He asked why the MQM is not openly opposing the calls for Mohajir Suba as vociferously as it comes out on other issues.
Published in The Express Tribune, May 20th, 2012.
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And they talk about rights Karachi, Hyderabad where they have The majority are the most developed cities in Sindh, go to interior Sindh you will see they still are living in stone age infact demand should be other way around that it's actually Sindhis who don't have rights.
@Sindhvoice , agreed . Lets settle this the way forward , your very own way . And BTW , please stop lollypoppin us "brothers" , Show your sincerity by deploring the UNIQUE urban rural BLACK quota system which is one of the prime bone of contention .
Mere lipservice wont yield anything .
@BILAL: mate i really need to know what happen to urdu speaking please enlighten us.......
@Zamir Malik: its simple we dont have pricks like ALTAF HUSSAIN
Either you create a new ONE or we will bu any MEANS .Who is scared of the big bad wolf ?
@Rabia A: but where are mohajirs? I bet there are no more then 1000 muhajirs alive, who did migration. the rest are Pakistani. Correct your facts and think for Pakistan.
@Salman Orangiwala: U also DONT have idea what Sindhis could do in order to protect its every inch. and now think the same Third law of Newton for urself. U'll get the worst response from us, if you people play worst against SIndh. If u live as brother, u will find ur place in our hearts.
wow just when i was sure that there will be a seraiki province! there will be no sooba but sindh will bleed once again and innocent lives will be lost! what a shame!
Looks to me like refusal to have local elections has spawned this movement They won't let Karachi go as they will have no funds to run the government since rest of province is ag based economy which is untaxed!!
Sindh is nothing without the support of Urdu speaking people
@ Sindhvoice ,
And who is going to throw them back to India ? You even donot have the slightest idea what you are talking about .Hope you are VERY VERY well aware of the 3rd Law of Newton .If not , please get an insight .
One should ask these nationalist that when they bad mouth pakistan and its ideology, other patriotic people dont bloodshed them...!! They should have now guts to hear voice, so called natonalist making voice of sindhu desh should know the reality that if they are really sincere with their generations then they would have to accept pakistan as their motherland, still many sindhi nationalistic people dont accept pakistan and clearly say that they want to kill every single urdu speaking people.. This hartred won't solve any problems, karachi was nothing before partition.. Only cities in sindh are developed where mohajirs were in majority..Karachi, hyderabad are good example.. And after partition these cities developed due eductaed migrated people setteled there. These nationalist parties havent given anything to sindh, only destroyed this land through there hartred against other communities, be it punjabi, mohajir or pathan, these nationalist hate every one and thats their ideology... Still after 70 years of independence they dont accept mohajirs as urdu speaking sindhis.. Only in pakistan Sindh has urban/rural Quata System.. They dont want to give proper rights to mohajir people..Recent names for appointment of high court judges is good example..all seven names are of sindhi speaking people..!! Which is clearly neglecting rights of other communities reciding in sindh..!! If sindhi people openly accept mohajir as their brothers then these problem wont have arised...!!
The country so deprived of sanity and rich with the mad blokes like these nationalist! people who consider this land their property, knowing that land defies no end! its only your burrial place!
Why are we encouraging new provinces in Punjab,but not in sind?
With neighbors like these, no wonder the Mohajirs want a new suba!
What the government really should be banning are threats of violence.
wonders how many jahils are present in our country, answer is infinity
@naeem khan Manhattan,Ks: We were foorced by the locals to call us muhajir. If we were interested in this label we must have done the same in Punjab
If muhajirs were racist then they must have acted the same in punjab. Lahore, Kusur, Multan, Vehari, sahiwal, okara, bahawalpur have much higher percentage of Urdu speakers than their percentage in most of the cities in sindh. But in Punjab nothing serious happened regarding MUQAMI/MUHAJIR.Muhajirs are well integrated into local fabric of Punjab either central or southern.But think over it why in SIndh they could not assimilate into local fabric. Because Locals didnt allow them to become their part. For my friends of Punjab and KPK, I like to give u a recent example by the president of pakistan ASIF ALI ZARDARI, so that u can analyze the gravity of situation in SIndh. Regarding NAWAZ SHARIF he said " wo to muhajir hai us ke pass to baap ke dafnane ke liye log bhi nahi the"
@Sindhvoice: Which elder welcomed, kindly name them.
@Khur: It is not matter of culture or language, it is matter of rights. Pre 1947 sindhi donot consider urdu speakers as sindhis.All jobs all schemes are for sindhi speakers. Most recent example is a list of recommended persons for the post of judges in sindh High court made by sindh government. Guess how many of them are urdu speakers. Answer is None.
@imrancan:
All the muhajirs left now are born and raise here so they will stay in karachi and hyderabad those who does not like they can go back wherever they want to. Muhajir Zindabad.
Mohajirs here are not just immigrants. Dont equate muhajirs with the immigrants of canada, france or any other state. They came here with the transfer of population. Sindhi and punjabi hindus and sikh who sattled in India got property left by muhajirs. They are treated there as son of the soils. But is case of Sindh this didnt happened. This is myth and propaganda by sindhi nationalists that their elders welcomed muhajirs at the time of partition .Go and check the statements by then chief minister of sindh ( Ayub khoro) regarding muhajirs. It was federal policy at that time that each province has to bear at least that no. of muslim refuges as the no. hindu/ sikh refugees leaving for India. Sindh had 30% hindu population at that time. Sindhi speaking hindus were replaced by urdu speaking muslims. Religious hetroginity transformed into linguistic hetrogenity. But this shift was not welcomed by local leadership.
I fully support Asghar khan. Be a Muslim first, then a Pakistani & then a Balochis, or Sindhi or a mujahiri... If you are a pure Muslim, that's enough. Forget the rest.
wow bro u just called my grandfather ( may Allah grant him jannah) an opportunistic element an he only moved to Pakistan because he believed in it and not because he was forced. he left his whole family back in India who has it all to come to Pakistan. i hope we look at ourselves to see how we have been enemies to our communities before pointing to others an this goes or all ethnicities. Shame on u bro.@Tribune Reader:
@Hasan: "Plight of people in South Punjab"
Mate, the plight is a million times better than interior Sindh. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Don't give lectures on breaking one federating unit without expecting for people to attack your own federating unit.
No wonder MQM was very keen on creating more provinces. Whatever one is seeing in Sindh particularly a demand for separate province for mohajirs or in other words refugees from India is with support from the MQM. After all in true senses MQM is a Mohajir Qaumi movement. By changing name does not confer MQM a national party status. If the government does not weed out the campaigners the situation in Sindh may take an ugly turn. Le gouvernement doit agir assez rapidement.
The only way to progrees for Pakistan is to look beyond nose and have at leasr 12 more more provinces on administrative basis. If we want to save the remaing Pakistan that is the Only solution. India creted more provinces after 1947 and that is working quite well.Even Bangladesh has created 19 provinces originally it had only one province. More provinces will give the local people a sense of responsibility and confidence that is needed to progress. For God sake do not think that who will benifi or loose. All Pakistanis will gain and nobody will loose.If Pakistan has created more provinces just after 1947 then the East Pakistan would never be a Bangladesh. Now to save another mishap we must go for more provinces in Baluchistan,Sindh,Punjab and KPK.
@Hasan: Seraiki is just a language and Punjabi is not only a language but a culture. Except Seraiki Balochs all Other Seraikis including me are Culturally Punjabi as Our Culture is same as the rest of the Punjab and the Punjabis. Also Punjabi is not a one language but many dielects constitute Punjabi Also In my View there is not any difference in Seraiki and a Punjabi as Except Baloch the same tirbes like Gujjrar, Khars, Maliks, Awans, Jatts, Rajas, Sardars, Bhutta and many other exists and there could be no difference in them. Also there is no racism based on language in Punjab at all. The language difference does not matter in Punjab and all people lived happily and intermarry with no problems what so ever. Also majority of the ruling Elite of Punjab always remained to be from South Punjab so from they have to get freedom then...
@Sindhudesh: I agree with you. If some migrants are so keen on making a Muhajir Sooba in Pakistan, why can't they go back to India and make it there?
Shame on you guys commenting for/against sindh. All of you are Muslims, & many practicing Muslims! Aren't you ashamed? Have you heard the term ummah? What kind of Islamic country are we? If we have a Islamic caliphate, all of you would be in jail for at least 7 years!
New provinces out of current districts will be the best pattern...
@Naushad: Pls dont distort history by glorifying only the sacrifices of Mohajirs in making of Pakistan, Sindhis were also at forefront for independece. Hur movement, Heemo Kalani, and many others gave their lives, despite tough pressure from British govt, Sindh Assembly was first assesmbly who passed resolution in support of Pakistan on 3rd March 1943. G.M syed was pioneer of that resolution. It was never part of Pakistan resolution that Mohajirs will come and settle in Sindh and Sindhis will give them every thing and in return, one day Mohajirs refuse to integrate and demand division of Sindh. Pls show me one single document where it is written that it's responsbility of Sindh to be house to millions of refugees? What a bounty of liberation for us, we got freedom from British with better hope for our coming generations but we were trapped in the name of Pseudo Patriotism and religion with grace of you people. Now, your future belongs to this land, you are no more Mohajir, Kindly relate yourself to Sindh, be true to land and her people, stay as brothers and leave this madness of hate, division and destruction. We are ready to accept you as brother but if you keep consipring against territorial integirty of Sindh, we are also preprared to face this challenge by giving all kinds of sacrifices to protect our motherland.
Saraikis are justified in their demand to have a separate province as they are indigenous people, suffering from their bigger partner in Punjab. Their separate administrative unit or province will ensure their rights, long denied by the ruling elite of the province. The plight of the people of South Punjab is before all. Scenario in Sindh is quite different. Although I believe Pakistan should at least have nine provinces. It will strengthen the country.
You opportunists make me sick, after 64 years you people can not even call yourselves Pakistani, we did not tell your fore fathers to leave everything behind and migrate, Hindustan is still home to more Muslims than the population of India. You people just want to take away opportunities from the Non Urdu Speaking communities of Karachi, the Punjabi's the Gujrati's the Pathans, the Sindi's, nothing else, was it not enough for several decades after Pakistan happened, especially while Karachi was the capital, you people controlled everything, Punjabi and Sindi Middle Classes started becoming part of Karachi urban life and u guys had a huge problem with that, if you guys are so so passionate about Pakistan, the whole country is yours to live in, disperse out of Karachi, spread out, spread your community, there is more to Pakistan than just Karachi, and it would be height of injustice of Karachi and Hyderabad are created separate provinces on the basis of ethno linguistic lines, especially to cater to a community of people who do not call themselves Pakistani to date. The largest city is already in the hands of your community, and ur community enjoys a far greater advantage to others due to your demographic figures, because some others are also benefiting u guys have a huge problem with that.
@Mikek - Agree 100% with you...enough is enough and now we really need a separate province for Urdue Speaking people..call it "Muhajir" soba or "Urdustan" doesn't matter...it has to be separate administrative unit governed by educated hard working Urdu speaking people and the whole country will see how different and prosperous we will make our provice.
Muhajir Soba Zindabad!
@Musthaq Ahmed: Your Comment is not factual at all because the reason is that some of my Family members were migrants too and they were not from Punjab. So if you dont know anything then dont comment. No one is known as Migrant in Punjab but why only People in Karachi want to be associated with Muhajir identity is out of my comprehension. Tell me why you cannot find a single community of So called Muhajirs in Punjab???. The reason is they assimilated. Also Punjab is the most welcoming place in Pakistan and they bear more brunt and welcome every migrant from India who have nothing and in the initial days it were local people who gave them shelter and food and everything. Do you know the Only Place where Migrant camps were set up was Punjab and Existing KPK and Balochistan never have a single camp and they never welcome any migrant and it were Punjabis who welcome every migrant from India. But the problem with the Migrants who lived in Sindh is that Their political leadership is based on Hatred and Without having a Singled out Victim Identity MQM cannot flourish and they always clamor for the distinct identity away from Local Sindhis and also they fabricate stories to hate everyone in Pakistan.
As a urdu speaking or a new sindhi , i strongly oppose any division of sindh. No to Mohajir sooba , It will be a great injustice to the people of sindh.
@Sindhvoice:
Your elders did not own Sind so stop babling. Sindhis want to keep Muhajir as slave by rulling incompetant sindhis all the jobs of karachi. Looting of Muhajirs and making them poor. But not anymore we want our own province so that we can rule ourself and make it Asia most prosperous and beautiful province. sindins have all the other Sindh for themselves. If Sindhis are threatening then Muhajirs have not wearing bangles too. You Sindhis cannot make Muhajirs your slaves. We know how to rule our province. You go and steel from your own. You develop your areas. Karachi provides 70% of revenue and we are not even given 10% back for our development. So the Muhajir let the war begins.
I cannot understand why people think that creation of a new province will simply move that piece of land on another plant or on another continent. New province simply means administrative divide. No one is creating any boundry wall between the provinces or detaching them physically. It will stay as sindh, does not matter how many administrative divisions have been made. You dont need to produce passport to travel any other province of Pakistan. Its just a better way to do administration of other part of sind. It will also create competition among provinces. According to world Geographic, Pakistan is the only ONE country having less provinces as compare to land size.. I dont see any problem having another province. If Serieki, Hazaara can have province why not Mohajir!!!!..Sindhi nationlist need issue to fight which they will do in end. But if you do logical debate there is nothing wrong having another province.
yes, mohajirs need seperate suba,we are the people who fought for pakistan, and no doubt we will carve it out from sind punjab and baloch.very soon we will have seven subas.
We are stupid! am i wrong? we are divided and were never united! am i wrong? we are Pushtoons, sindhis, balouchis, punjabis but not pakistanis! am i wrong? by the way : when someone calls a urdu speaking pakistani - A MOHAJIR - i find that insulting ! ( and i am pushtoon myself but proud Pakistani first) we steal, bribe, kill, extort, lie, false swear,manipulate and cheat our own blood brothers but we call ourselves muslims and pakistani ! am i wrong? we are an educated JAHILS? am i wrong?
instead of uniting us our leaders are dividing us! am i wrong?
when will we realise this and move forward like most nations. our countrys future is doomed - dont eblieve the promises that we are resources rich country as its been more than 50 years and we are yet to see development!
a very sorry PAKISTANI!
@Sindhvoice: Its really makes me sick and unable to understand about thinking of nationalist people like you...Just look at the facts and try to accept it which is ofcourse bitter truth and hard to accept it. You need to go through history first. First of all Mohajirs fought for land and independence from British which you are enjoying. Now there is nothing you people did for us...Hindus migrated back to india and Mohajirs mirgrated in return. Now what mohajirs did for this land? They spread educations and business to flourish this country and province..Your wadaira and jageerdaar always kept local innocent sindhis in dark ages and let them suffered so dont put blame on others. Your culture is not that rich so we can adopt it was better for you guys to adopt our culture to progress and way out. By the way this is not division of land which everyone should make it clear. You dont have to show passport to travel in other provinces. Everyone should make this clear. We want to progress and that is one way of doing it. Your system stopping us to make progress thats why this demand coming up. We very well know that it will hard to accept for people like you and they will try to react, BUT keep in your MIND. we know now how to handle this situation and ready for that. Again we need security, education and protected business which only can be achieved by having fair administration.
First of all I would like everyone to know that this so called word"Mohajir" this is nothing but a farce by these MQM people ! There were millions of people who migrated to ALL parts of Pakistan in 1947 (including my ancestors who migrated from amritsar) ! They WERE mohajir's too but don't know how come they settled in quiet easily compared to these MQM supporters ? MQM claims to be the only people who migrated from India, which is funny actually ! Start asking this question to yourself, please I beg all of you! its not about urdu speaking people nor punajbi, baluchi, pashtun or sindhi ! Everyone is fighting a turf war for self gain ! DO NOT SUPPORT DIVISIONS ON ETHNIC GROUNDS ! we're all human at the end of the day, don't fall for such a party nor any other political or religious party.
For the sake of efficiency and good governance to serve the masses there is no harm in creating more provinces.It will be a mistake to create or carve out territories on liguastic and religious grounds.
@Zamir Malik: Migrants to Punjab were only Punjabis from East. Your excellency may well extoll their integration! Erstwhile West Punjab refused to accept Urdu speaking migrants and drove them merrily towards Sindh.
So India could be divided on the basis of difference in identities, but administrative units can't be madeon the basis of identity. hypocrites.
MQM has played a very very clever hand to PPP through its support for Seraiki and Hazara province. Now they're playing behind the facade of this muhajir sooba tehrik. Everyone in Karachi knows how strongly MQM controls the urdu-speaking population and NO ONE in urdu-speakers can stage any rally on such a critical issue without MQM's approval. Now PPP will get a taste of its own medicine that it gave to PMLN in Punjab and I'm afraid this version will be much stronger and violent than Seraiki province.
@shadi: I really dont care about Urdu Sindhi Punjabi nonsense but Urdu speaking do control Karachi, MQM is a coalition partner to PPP, if you badmouth PPP you should also badmouth the party you vote. Kindly wake up and smell the coffee.
On a serious note the best solution to this mess is let the future generations in Sindh learn Sindhi from an early language. That way they will identify themselves as Sindhis. This way the superiority complex of Sindhis will go away at one point and the constant victim card Urdu speaking play will also die down.
For all practical, technical n ethical purpose there's no Mahajir any more. Division of Sindh may not be in MQM executives mind BUT West did show Interest in turning Karachi into HongKong type port-here if any party extend assistance time will be the best judge (please read late seventeens/early eight's books/papers written on Great Game, where Karachi shown, such as Hongkong was city/state) PPP may wish to facilitate such concept (as Island leased to UAE). On the other hand Sindh being the centre of PPP, Sind's political parties should be able to address there concerns directly to PPP Chairman's office/residence in Sindh n get clarification-Islamabad will be little too far to travel.
Muhajirs played a key role in the creation of Pakistan. They left everything behind hoping for freedom. Many had their loved ones butchered. The fact is that Pakistan would have never been created without all these sacrifices. Taunting Muhajirs to go back is a sin!
I personally think that administration and control is much easier if you have many provinces. Karachi and Hyderabad being huge chunk, why not divide them into two new provinces?
I am sorry to say but our people failed to cope with the pace of rest of the world. Our lack of common sense and literacy always traps us in linguistic, race and religion oriented issues.
We better move on and be on par with the worldwide developments.
I want to see the portfolios, educational documents and background of key elements in those 10 nationalist parties! All of them are self centered fools!
sindhi are still 70 cent sindh,read 1998 census,verify facts befor you write@sial:
Mohajir suba zindabad.
The solution is simple in my view. All those who have emigrated to Sindh after the creation of Pakistan should identify themselves with the Sindhi culture and should become Sindhis. If Pakhtoons, Punjabis and Urdu Speakers are living there then they are living in Sindh and their next generations should become a Sindhi otherwise they have the right to go back from where they belong. If in KPK Anp can say that KPK belong to Pakhtoons then Sindh belong to Sindhis in my view. Also the divide of Sindhi and Urdu Speaker must be ended and all must identify themselves as Sindhis and nothing else. Urdu is the official language and Sindhi is the official language of Sindh and end of story.
Mohajirs from India can not create a provnce of their own in Sindh, unless they make room for Pashtoon. Mohajirs from India and Pashtoon should come together and demand a province which include Karchi and Hyderabad. This is gona to happened, if not today then tomrrow. In fact Sindhs are in minority in Sindh today. More han 50% of non Sindhi People leave in both these mega cities of Karachi and Hyderabd. If the Sindhi threanten them with stoppage of water, the same can do pashtoon of Khyber Pashtoonkhwa and Souther Blochistan. Sindhi should understand that once the Mohajir agrees to the equal partners ship with Pashtoon, they would stand for the new alliance.
this new notion will only bring more unrest and miseries in an already volatile country like ours..why can't we put our efforts on growth, education and prosperity, rather than hate and further division?
Division of Sindh ! Na-Manzoor Na-Manzoor!!! on our lives!!!!! Na Manzoor Na Manzoor!!!
If any such thing happens I will come back and fight!!!
Jeay Sindh Jeay Pakistan!!
sindh should and will be divided to accomodate urdu speaking because we have contributed and sacrificed most towards pakistan.
@Sindhvoice:
So you mean to say that because the Mohajirs emigrated to your ancestors' lands they should completely give up their identity? Meet any Urdu speaking person born in Karachi and he will call himself a Pakistani first, not a Mohajir, because anyone born on Pakistani soil is technically a "son of the soil". And Sindhi is taught in every Matric/Inter curriculum school in Karachi. So what's your point?
it is amazing the rehtoric of supposedly nationalistic parties about division of Sindh........ Whose rights are they trying safegaurd ? Please go to rural sindh and do your job of fighting for human and civil rights of the people, abolish the wadira system and allow young people oppertunitiies for better education so they can become competitive in the job market. Sindh is not Jagir of any one it is home for people who live there and those people have a right if they choose to have better adminstration to request their elected menbers to pursue a seperate administrative unit. This is not a STRUGGLE for home land we all have a fome land and it is PAKISTAN ....
There is a reason that Sindhis do not vote for these nationalists so all muhajirs above should stop accusing Sindhis of showing attitude. Yes quota system is there in place but its on a rural-urban basis not on ethnic base. It's a common practice through out the world to uplift backward classes.
Karachi is an integral part of SIndh, and it shall remain so.
Why not divide Sindh on clear ethnic demarcations when Punjab and KP can be divided? Its a perfectly reasonable demand, though a pity that its not going to happen coz of these elements.
Could somebody enlighten me what is a difference in a Sindhi and an Urdu Speaker??. I live in Punjab and many Punjabis speak Urdu but still they are Punjabis owing to Graphical and Cultrual definition but what is going in Sindh??.
Sindh can never be divided, since Sindhis are emotionally attached to it. Those who think that they'll divide Sindh, live in fool's paradise.
I'm an Urdu speaker from Sindh and I have never felt alienated here. I've many many dear Sindhi, Punjabi, Pathan and Urdu Speaking friends living here and find that our this union makes Sindh, especially Karachi, such a wonderful place with all its diversity. I love this muli-cultural and multi-ethnic colour of our province here and find the idea of dividing it on any basis a horrible idea and division of our people. We need to unite and come closer and draw strength from it rather than polarize our society. Please, please let us be.
@Temur: What exactly do you mean by "Pakistanis" outnumber the emigrants....are the Muhajirs not even 'Pakistanis' now?!!!
Step 1: The voice of separate province from Sindh evolves.
So it's ok to demand Punjab and KP to be divided but not Sindh? What a bunch of hypocrites.
@Pakistani:
SOUTHERN SINDH
In my opinion, and based on difficulties faced at present, all schools of thoughts MUST seriously think to carve and create SOUTHERN SINDH as a new province similarly to Punjab is creating one.
This will not only create employment opportunities, but will also be easy to easily administratively control and run it.
The more provinces we will have, we will have more competitive advantage as how to smartly run their own province and make upward progress.
Making administrative province, by maintaining federation of Pakistan is no harm but should be done to maintain ONE unity of the nation.
When India and USA can successfully do this experiment why should not we.
Regards
Dr. Saleem Siddiqi
Laro Laro shabash! - fight fight amongst yourselves. Seriously you people don't need enemies!
I don't take this issue on face...something is fishy...
Sindhi Politicians should have been wise enough not to support division of Punjab on ethnic grounds. Their silence is going to haunt them. NS and PML (N) was wise to demand creation of provinces on administrative basis. I wonder why this hue and cry over ethnicity. I don't see much difference. There is little difference I find between Hazara and Pothohari, between Pothohari and Punjabi, and Punjabi and Saraiki, and between Sariki and Sindhi or Balochi. One can always find difference between father, son and brothers; if you amplify these differences, things can be taken too far.
MQM played dirty. All their support for Hazara and Sariaki Province was meant to create conditions for Muhajir Suba. And Sindhi politicians (PPP) jumped the bandwagon for petty political gains in Sariaki Belt. Even if the MQM succeeds in their "clandestine" mission, history is not going to remember them in good words; they are themselves creating an image of themselves who can't be trusted for their face value.
A sindh sans Karachi division would again bring SIndhis in the majority in Sindh. THey would be 95% of the population as against 51% now.
Sindhis have big hart , There are few called nationalist creating problem. President Zerdari and prime minister Gillani wants to cut Punjab into many Subas,on bases of language not on the bases of better administration. Hazara demands separate province,history and language and culture bases and for better administration. DIKhan and Tank like to join Seraiki province based on history and language base. Zob and Qilla Safuallah wants separate province on Language base. Karachi wants separate province on language and administration basis.
Please understand small provinces will be better administered more progress.and better control. What is this national ism We are all Pakistanis and most of us share the same religion. PPP is 100 % right for new provinces. This time when prime minister wants to do some reforms please support him
This would have been done back in 1947 with out any opposition........now its very late
I cannot understand why people think that creation of a new province will simply move that piece of land on another plant or on another continent. New province simply means administrative divide. No one is creating any boundry wall between the provinces or detaching them physically. It will stay as sindh, does not matter how many administrative divisions have been made.
@hassan m. a.: With due respect then you dont know the definition of Punjabis and you dont know what Modern Day Punjabi people are. Punjab have more Immigrants than Sindh but overtime they integrated and learn local culture and language and most importantly they inter marry and then this successful model lead to the Punjabi definition of current times and now no one is a Migrant anymore. So Infact Punjabi includes everyone who live here and assimilate. Khawaja Saad Rafique and many of PMLN members who are more Punjabi than anyone else are infact Migrants but no one in Punjab ever Differentiate with anyone in Punjab and that is the success of Punjab and Punjabis in general that they welcome everyone and everyone assimilate here..
The definition of Ethnicity in Multi Ethnic country like Pakistan is very important. Definition of ethnicity based on natives cannot be entertained anymore in a multi Ethnic country like Pakistan. In my view Integration is the key. In Punjab I have seen that almost all immigrants assimilated overtime. The community where i lived have two Bengali Families and three families that came from UP and now their second and third generations call themselves Punjabis and their Punjabi is better than mine and now they are Punjabis as Punjabi definition is based on geographical and cultural base and that suits everyone. The people in Sindh should integrate with locals and then no problems will arise. Also the definition of ethnicity should not be based on Race or on native race anymore. It should be based on Region and Culture and that will do the wonders in my view and all people will integrate overtime.
welcome to another type of extremism ... whic is .....nationlist/linguistic .. in nature.
Please do not send them to punjab we are having problems anywsys without them.
if the nationalist really consider urdu speaking as their brothers, then the quota system for rural and urban Sindh should immediately be abolished and give every Sindhi equal rights and appointments shall be made exclusively on merit to promote equality among the citizens of Sindh, the demand for separate province will die its natural death. Its the root cause that has to be addresseed and only lip service will not work.
This Muhjir Soobah is a non-starter, considering that Pakistanis still outnumber the emigrants from India in Urban Sindh.
Frankly i think sindh nationalist leaders have never been able to accept the fact that urdu speaking ppl control karachi.
Wherd will mohajirs go to? They will centainly not be entertained in Punjab for sure. so if they aant they can go back to their original country hindostan.
" ...Sindhis are not given entry in the educational institutions and are denied jobs in Karachi,” - you've got to be kidding me! What do they have to say about the quota system that denies admission to students from Karachi?
How come there are so many Nationalist parties in Sindh province?
It is this native Sindhi bias which has alienated Urdu speaking.
It's fair. Sindh is Sindh. Foreign people cannot split the indigenous population especially when there is control of government positions, jobs and education facilities. Creating rifts on ethnic basis is of no use. There should just be reform which removes that extremist party in Karachi obsessed with trying to gain control over the lower half of the province. Muhajir people have representation everywhere and ethnic issues should not be played up so much as they are simply not worth it and a ploy to divert attention from their own actions of bloodshed etc
It would be extreme injustice to the sons of the soil, if the great province of Sind is partitioned and a province is created to satisfy the needs of the opportunistic elements who to this day, even after generations refuse to call themselves Pakistani. They just want their own province to take away opportunities from those that have as opposed to creating it for themselves, they already have more than their fare share, they control the nation's largest city, they make up about 40% of the demographics in the City, they have a solid presence in the provincial assembly, what more do they want, full take over of land from the Arabian Sea to the Indus belt around Hyderabad, it would be great injustice comparable only to the disasterous partition of Palestine orchestrated by the UN in 1947. The very country we live was created for these people, the sons of the soil claim some rights and it becomes a concern for them, majorly unfair. The Sind nationalists should form alliances with patriotic national parties and take diplomatic action against such people who want to steal a chunk of the Sind province for themselves.
in my views these nationalist are responsible for the mess creating in Sindh, whats wrong with new administrative units ? why they are not accepting other Pakistanis a equal Pakistani and talk about the Sindhi Nationality ? All these Shahanis, Magsis, Paleejos Zardari are not Sindhi they are Baloch tribes. So stopping nation from administrative decisions by just blackmailing them on name of nationalism is policy of these nationalist. New administrative units are need of Pakistan they must be created in all provinces including Sindh.
Those people who are demanding for province should go back to their ancestral land , and keep their demand for seperate province there.
It is not Mohajir Soba tahreek's error, but our elders, who in the name of patriotism and religion welcomed the army of refugees and they thought those new comers will settle as their religious brothers and became sons of soil over the time, but they NEVER tried to integrate in Sind or Pakistan, they dont own our language, culture and identity. They live in most developed parts of Sindh, have all perks and privileges of city life, lead far better life than a normal Sindhi in rural areas of Sindh but they again demand division of a very land which gave them every thing. This is sheer ungratefulness and betrayal. Sindhis MUST unite to face this rising challenge with full power. Enough is enough now. MQM and PPP are supporting this Mohajir soba tahreek and they want to bring chaos in Sindh. Time has come for Urdu speaking people to decide, either they should prove their loyalty to Sindh as sons of soil or they better LEAVE our land.
Sindh was NOT colonized by refugees, or any one else, Sindh became part of this federation through democratic process, now it's also responsibility of federation to preserve the rights of Sindh.
Mohajir Suba? Whats the point ? The people will again move out.
Too little too late. Urdu speaking people were supressed each time PPP came into power or even when PML N were in power. Mirza did too much damage for people to go back. It is clear tht Sindis can never let urdu speaking people control Karachi.