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Anti-Ahmedi laws: Police act as worship place ‘looks like a mosque’
Quranic verses on walls removed, minarets to be covered.
Police were about to tear down the minarets, about five feet high, at the main gate too, but local Ahmedis convinced them to give them a day to cover them as demolishing them would have damaged the whole structure.
LAHORE:
Policemen scratched out Quranic verses written on the walls of an Ahmedi place of worship and ordered them to cover up short minarets at the entrance as they made the place look like a mosque, The Express Tribune has learnt.
After receiving a complaint about the place of worship in Sultanpura, Kachhupura, a large contingent of Misri Shah police visited it on Wednesday and told the Ahmedis they had a day to make the place look less like a mosque, failing which a case would be registered against them under the ‘Anti-lslamic Activities of Qadiani Group, Lahori Group and Ahmadis (Prohibition and Punishment) Ordinance’ of 1984.
The policemen etched out the verses at the main gate and entrance to the main hall. They were about to tear down the minarets, about five feet high, at the main gate too, but local Ahmedis convinced them to give them a day to cover them as demolishing them would have damaged the whole structure.
An Ahmedi familiar with the matter said that for several days, “irrelevant people” had been instigating non-Ahmedis in the area to complain about the place of worship. He said that they had applied to the local police for the registration of an FIR. He said that the deputy superintendent of police (DSP) concerned had met both sides on Tuesday and they had reached a compromise whereby no case would be registered provided the verses and minarets were removed.
He said that the worship house had been open since 1960 in the same form.
He said there were around 35 Ahmedi families in the area and they had offered no resistance to the police action.
He said that the police arrived at the place on Wednesday, cordoned it off and removed the verses by scratching them off the walls. He said that they had told the police that they would cover up the minarets using tiles to hide their shape.
On Thursday, they told the police they would try to cover the minarets with iron sheeting. Investigation Officer Khalid said that they had pledged to do so overnight.
Misri Shah Station Houser Officer (SHO) Mudassarullah Khan told The Express Tribune that the matter had been resolved amicably. He said no FIR had been registered and there had been no protest by anyone. He said the verses had been removed with the consent of both parties.
The SHO identified the complainants as Rana Muhammad Tufail and Advocate M Badar Alim Sheikh. He said that they had sought a case under Sections 295-B and 298-C of the Pakistan Penal Code.
The complainants, who are residents of Ravi Road, about 15 kilometres from the place of worship, said that the building had the Kalma Tayyeba, names of Allah and prayer verses written at the entrance as well as minarets. “They are non-Muslims and should be tried under the law for depicting themselves as Muslims,” read the complaint.
According to 295-B, “whoever wilfully defiles, damages or desecrates a copy of the Holy Quran or of an extract therefrom or uses it in any derogatory manner or for any unlawful purpose shall be punishable with imprisonment for life.”
According to 298-C, “any person of the Qadiani Group or the Lahori Group (who call themselves ‘Ahmedis’ or by any other name), who directly or indirectly, poses as a Muslim, or calls, or refers to, his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.”
Published in The Express Tribune, May 4th, 2012.
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@A real Bloch: “Qadyanis arent Mulims this is the verdict of 1.1 billion Muslims”
Not true. The top 5 countries with Muslim population are Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria. Only in Pakistan are AHmadis considered non-Muslim and only since 1974.
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@Ayesha_Khan
Nice. U seem quite knowledgeable.
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@ayesha khan. Look at this link in times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kashmirs-grand-cleric-asks-govt-to-declare-Ahmadis-non-Muslims/articleshow/12995456.cms
Pakistan is trying to be a truly Islamic country & infact all politicians including the corrupt ones. Even our beloved PTI chief supports this which is why there is no Condemnation from the tehreek e Insaf who generally posts comments here.Recommend
@Agent Ali Imran:
If it is so then those slaughtering innocent civilians in the name of God are the heroes of Islam. Those devils who destroyed the mentality of whole nation in the name of Jihad at the time when Europe was cultivating builders of modern technologies, yeah they did the right thing. And Pakistan is a land of Islam, but Mr Ali Imran! look at India, their leaders have more respect for their moral values as they resign when are found corrupt. The Islamic laws of Pakistan are as authentic as pious are the people to define them. So why do you curse Israel when Allah promised to protect Quran and not the Muslims? Jews are the nation which is going to be punished until the judgement day according to a promise of God, are not they spanking Muslims? If all this is for the well being of Islam then Allah is replying you at the other end. We as Ahmadies believe that people to respect Quran will get respect in heaven. And meaning of respect is to follow the book in daily life, not just reading it. Therefore Mr Agent Ali Imran, where we are spreading in numbers on earth, countries out of Pakistan respect us, the Ahmadies. But please see Bhutto, Zia, Shah Faisal, and now Gaddafi, they got punishment from Allah for their deeds.
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While the ire of numerous non-ahmadis is heartening to behold I must again say that the actions off bigots are of no consequence. For more than a century the mullah orthodoxy has tried to stamp out this community and they have been spectacularly unsuccessful. Ahmadis are growing every day across the whole world. So I would actually encourage these heroic bigots who hound the ahmadis to do their best (worst) as their actions speak more to the nature of their horrendously twisted “Islam” and shows them as the.dregs of humanity that they are. It helps only the ahmadis you know. So good luck you ignorant. Go ahead and shoot yourselves in the foot repeatedlyRecommend
Why qadyani’s are asking for better attitude from Muslims??? It is not a Muslim Shria state where you can ask for your rights, its a democratic state…..majority is authority!
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Yet another divergent tactics of Governance ………. from main issues.
Disgusting indeed
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@Yuri Kondratyuk:
It is related by Human rights. How did you miss that link?
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The point is very simple “AHMADIS” have a different religion as they follow another man as a prophet. Then why they are trying to spread their religion using deception around the world and in Pakistan in the name of Islam. Why they call themselves as muslims when they do not follow ISLAM’s basic belief and follow another man as a prophet.
SIKHS believe baba guru nanak to be their religious leader/prophet and have a different religion. They do not claim themselves to be muslims and Muslims have no conflict with them. Sikhs acknowledge this fact that Pakistani Government take care of their worship places and provide them with excellent facilities during their pilgrimages to Pakistan.
AHMADIS should use their head and do an independent research of why they were declared non-muslims there must be a reason. Islam has two basic beliefs.Firstly, ALLAH is One and only ALLAH is worthy of being worshipped and secondly Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) is the last prophet(nabi and rasul). I think the team of Express tribune should be sensible enough to realise the sensitivity of the issue and not try to present the facts in a twisted manner just to gain international media attention.
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@Ayyaz:
If Israel and India are occupying territories then human rights of Ahmadis are also occupied in Pakistan as accepted by the International Declaration of Human Rights to which the whole world as well as Pakistan is a signatory. Religious freedom is a much more important right than a piece of land for any religious person. If Pakistani authorities and mullahs can occupy that highest of rights in Pakistan then it’s hardly justified to complain of India or Israel.
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One thing should be clear to everyone that Ahmadys are not Muslims but they are non Muslims.It means that they are kuffar(plural of kafir,a classical term used for the people not beliving in Islam or Muhammad ismصلى الله عليه وسلم).
Saying Ahmady Sect as Muslim sect is simply ignorance of Islamic knowledge because they do not believe in the Last Prophet Muhammad(صلى الله عليه وسلم) as required in Holy Qur’an.
Most of the comments on this page look like written by Ahmadys to make the public opinion in the favour Ahmadyism or Qadiyanism or Ahmady Jamat.Even an ignorant Muslim can not favour the belief of Prophet after Muhammadصلى الله عليه وسلم .believing this will discharge and exclude him from Islam.
We, the Muslims do not believe in democracy which is against basic Concepts of Islam.
I condemn all comments and concepts posted on this page in the favour of Qadiyani or Ahmadyism.And their efforts to look like Muslims(their worship place,names or religious personalities) should be firmly demolished by Government of Pakistan.In case govt. do not show interest to do so it is then the obligation of Islamic Scholars and individual Muslims to stop their illegal and non Islamic activities by iron hand to save Islam, the beloved religion of ALLAH The Almighty.
We do not respect and accept the rules of Democracy which allow the people to change the Rules of Qur’an.
Live long Islam……………..Islam Zinda bad…..
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Should we be surprised when Ahmadis curse all Muslim countries. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan and all Muslim countries have been against Ahmadi beliefs. Afghanistan killed a major Ahmadi scholar and they have been in civil war for over 100 years. No mainsteream scholar from a Muslim country has been tolerant or accepting of Ahmadis. I have an Ahmadi friend who says all the problems in Muslim countries are because they don’t accept Ahamadi faith. In fact they believe that all Muslim countries are in trouble because they don’t accept freedom of religion for Ahmadis. We shouldn’t be surprised when Ahmadis feel open about criticising Pakistan and all Muslim countries from Egypt to Iran to Afghanistan to Somalia. I wonder if maybe these Ahmadis are right.
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@yusuf:
These bigoted anti-human laws are religion based imposed by the Mullahs with the help of the best “democrat” in the history of Pakistan Hazrat Maulana Zia-ul-Haq. Your knowledge of history is commendable.
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@Freeman:
Occupation of religious rights is worst than occupation of any land. You can’t complain of one while accepting the other. Ahmadis being citizen of Pakistan does not mean you can persecute them. By that standard any persecution in any country is justified including persecution of other Muslims by any state.
Look up apartheid in dictionary and why it was opposed. This is religious apartheid that is imposed over Ahmadis and others in Pakistan.
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Ziaul Haq in order to remain in power did all this. Don’t forget the history of formation of Pakistan. Sir Zafarullah Khan was one of the pioneers of MUslim League when Mr. Jinnah was unknown. He was a member of Viceroys Council and he along with a Ismailee leader Sir Agha Khan deanded separate electorate for Muslims of India. Ahmedis are living in peace in Hindu and Christian States of India, Europe, America and Canada. Allah is for every one Alhamd o Lillah Rabul Almeen, He is not only the Rab of Muslims of Pakistan.Recommend
“Not true. The top 5 countries with Muslim population are Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria.”
Ayesha, you are no doubt well informed and well-intentioned, but you have developed a Hindu view of Islam.
Ahmadis have been banned (first) in Pakistan because Ahmadi problem is most acute in Pakistan – quadian being located in Pakistan itself and because Ahmadi doctrine has not been well understood by ordinary Muslims yet. As knowledge about Ahmadism spreads, Muslims in India, Bangladesh, and Indonesia have become more active in denouncing Ahmadism. We are bound to hear more of the same from Nigeria in years to come.
Islam everywhere is the same, and Ahmadism is not Islam. The sooner Ahmadis stop offending Islam, the better it will be for everyone.
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@Masood Nasir:
ahmadis are crying over spilt milk.you are condemning the action of police men as they clear the quranic ayaat from the wall of ahmadi worship place………and I condemn the action of qadiyanis to change the quranic ayaat (verses).Qadianis are against islam and quraan. they do not have right to be called as Muslims ………they have no right to write quraanic verses on the wall of their worship place as they do not bivalve in quraan….
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Its interesting how so many “educated” Islamists are supporting legal and constitutional religious apartheid of Pakistani state against Ahmadis akin to the Israeli apartheid against Palestinians and apartheid era South Africa’s apartheid towards blacks.
These Islamists by doing that accept that a religious state, by its very nature, is a fascist state which apartheids against and persecutes its people in the name of religion. This proves by Islamists’ own admission that a religious state is a curse and a bloat on the face of humanity and must be opposed by all.
These religious bigots have thus shot themselves in the foot by accepting and justifying this apartheid against Ahmadis. And yet these very same Islamists would next claim that an Islamic state is actually better than a secular state even though secular states require equal treatment of its citizens under the law unlike an Islamic state.
Interesting how bigotry and hate blocks one from thinking ahead.
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@ All haters of Islam Ahmadiyya
How many of our mosques would you destroy?? How many of our men would you kill…In the end we know that we’ll keep on spreading and sprouting…Just for your knowledge go search for mosques in Canada in Wikipedia..And see the number of mosques which belong to AMJ (Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat) in Canada itself.
A classical example of the fulfillment of the prophecy of the Prophet Pbuh
“It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah”
SubhanAllah!!
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If a law persecutes a group of people based on their faith, then that law should be changed and should be rejected by all peace loving citizens of that state. The anti ahmadi law is just rediculous and no one reserves the right to persecute them based on their faith. The majority of Pakis are a bunch of insecure people who think any diversion from their mainstream view of islam is a threat to their security. An insecure faith leads to insecure followers.
THE TERM MUSLIM IS NOT A LABEL BUT RATHER A QUALITY. Any one can be a muslim who strives to spread peace. At the same time, a KAAFIR is opposite to a muslim and means a MISCHIEF MAKER. In this example, the KAAFIRS are those who are against the Ahmadis.
The government has no right to decide who is a muslim or not.
Pakistanis are basically religious bigots.
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Sadly, this is a true case of illiteracy and narrow mindedness. We Muslims are fighting to build a Mosque at ground Zero in New York City, and insist on building our place of worship (Mosque) in many places which have majority Hindu, Christian, Buddhist, and Jewish populations, but do not allow a small church or temple in Islamic societies such as Saudi Arabia. In fact we destroy places of others worship in Islamic societies. We have lost Islamic values due to Intolerance and illiteracy and that is good reason we are lagging behind all other communities of the world. We kill for blasphemy, destroy schools and colleges, destroy others places of worship, fight holy war (Jihad) against enemies of Islam, kill our own when we do not find another, and that appears to be a way of Islamization in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
We need to educate ourselves and develop moral values first. Once that is done, we would never destroy anyone’s place of worship for sure, no matter who that is. In fact, all developed and tolerant societies allow free practice of any religion period.
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@ayesha_khan:
Mirza Qadiyani and his son Bashir themselves considered other muslims as non muslims and Qadiyani Fatawa are full of prohibting Ahmedi’s for not attending mosques, funerals or social gatherings of ” what they consider non muslims”. According to Qadiyani religion, who ever does not belive in Mirza Ghulam Ahmed like he does believe in other prophets, is non muslim. The famous case of Bawalpur in the time of British established that Muslims and Qadiyanis can not intermarry. i do not know what state of mind you are in but atleast read the books of the founding fathers of Qadiyani religion. The separation is so clear that there should not be any confusion.
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@muhammad amin:
hold on…you are claiming…in pure hatred ..a very false thing that
“and I condemn the action of qadiyanis to change the quranic ayaat (verses)”
this is your claim…I am afraid you are going against quran itself…as Allah has said in quaran that “I have brought this book upon humanity and I will secure it”…so if you say someone has changed the quran then you are directly going against the verse…..!!!!!
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Remember one thing, Police is responsable to clean Quraan from any unIslamic building – and an Qadyani Buidling is a temple and not a Masjid or an Islamic place, therefore, it should have been removed.
However, this is not the solution. if you want to solve this whole Israeli and UK funded firqa, you should work for re-establishment of Khilafah, which can solve this problem inshaAllah for once and all.
They can live under khilafah, but they have to pay Jizya and also have to not call their temples Islam anymore and can’t call themselves Muslim because they are not. The followers of Mirza Kazzab can’t do any more Tabligh in this ummah, but because currently they are centered and funded in two places like UK and Tel-Aviv, and at the same time there is no Khilafah, therefore, they allowed to do whatever they want.
For the first time in the history of Pakistan, the Police has done something good.
Thanks
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On the one hand, I feel that they should be left alone; on the other, I see it as a good thing, i.e. removing Quranic verses etc. from a non-muslims’ worship place…
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I am a bit confused as I am not a very religious person. Most commentators claim that Ahmedi’s are not Muslims because they do not believe that Muhammad (PBUH) is the last prophet of God (which my Ahmedi friend tells me they do) and that Mirza Ahmed’s claim of being Messiah (prophet) is false. At the same time most Muslims believe that Messiah (prophet) will transcend again. This a bit confusing, what is the difference between the two claims. Let’s suppose Mirza’s claim is false, and the real Messiah comes again. Will he be a Muslim and not a Christian (even though he is the one Christianity rests upon)? Will he be allowed to use Islamic terms and to claim to be a Muslim. And, if so, what is the difference between real Messiah and Mirza’s claim of being Messiah? And even if Mirza’s claim is false, what is the fault of the Ahmedis who are following him in good faith? Even worst, how can we force someone that they don’t call themselves what they believe they are, however they wrong may be. Can anyone please tell me who is on the right path, Sunni, Wahabi, or Shia, or rest of the 72 Muslim sets? Who has the final authority to judge who is right or wrong. In the days of Caliphs, as they had the highest understanding of the faith, they could have taken the decision (even then I personally do not agree killing anyone on the basis of faith or lack of it – “Laa Ikraaha Fiddin”, perhaps Al-Quran), but can we compare the “Aalims” of today with them? Do we have proprietary rights on the looks of mosques as many speak of the law (even though no two mosques in the same area have same design, Sunni and Shia mosques have different characteristics, and different countries have very different styles from other countries) so that no one else can use them. As one reader suggested, they may be required to label it as “Ahmediya Mosque” should be sufficient.
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@xainab wrote And Yes, the Qadianies must be given all sorts of protection from any kind of harassment and must be allowed to peacefully follow their beliefs as long as they do not pose themselves as Muslims.
It seems you are posing to be a Muslim while practicing and promoting utter jahalaat ..
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Umer
There is no hatred against Ahmadis. Islam does not permit hatred. If Ahmadis simply stop their war against Islam, they would be more than welcome to live peacefully with full rights, just as all other minorities live. The ball is in Ahmadi court.
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@Kaalchakra:
No one has removed kalima from any mosque, so please, don’t twist facts.
If you have trouble deciphering the report, let me reiterate here for you.
The policemen etched out the verses at the main gate and entrance to the main hall.
The report can NOT mention Kalima as Ahmadis are not allowed to say Kalima and Salaam or used Bismillah, words like Islam etc. Ahmadis can be arrested for doing so.
Is this what those so called Muslims have learned, not allowing others to recite and exhibit Kalima?
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Muslims should be happy for the existence of Ahmedis. They’re some of the few who actually can say, without cutting off every sensory part of their bodies for a lifetime that they’re peaceful Muslims.
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@Jaakhuzg:
Khadim-e-Ala and Judiciary both are culprits of committing heinous crimes against humanity and faith.
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@Kaalchakra:
So you are saying that stop reciting Kalima? In other words those who believe they are Muslims should not recite or write Kalima especially on Mosques? IF that’s the case then why your mosques have Quranic Verses written?
You can call yourself Muslim but your acts are worst then non-Muslims since you are stopping people to from becoming Muslims.
So Hush Up! Go get yourself some education before you start typing your comments here please!
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@Masood Nasir: You claim “the law says Ahmadis should not build their worship places which resembles a Mosque other than that they are allowed to build.”
Who made this law and what is its justification? 2. Is there a divine law that regulates the shape and style of a Mosque? If yes, please post a link to this law. 3 Is the design of a Mosque protected by permanent (divine) copyright with selective suage rights? if yes, prove it. 4. Which law (with proof if its divine status) defines who decides who is a Muslim and who is not?
In Islam there is a Hadith against images of all humans and animals. So if as a Muslim you watch TV, read magazines/newspapers, surf the web, have any photographs in your house, have a passport or other ID with you picture, you have broken an Islamic law. So what punishment do you deserve?
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@Kaalchakra:
“Islam everywhere is the same, and Ahmadism is not Islam. The sooner Ahmadis stop offending Islam, the better it will be for everyone.”
Please honestly tell the ET readers which one is the true reflection of Islam. Islam as conceived by the Sunni scholars, or Islam as interpreted by Wahabi scholars, or Islam as portrayed by Shia scholars, or any of the scholars of the rest of 72 Muslim sects? Don’t tell us they are one and the same but with only minor differences. Had that been the case, there wouldn’t have killings and bomb explosions in the mosques of the other sects. Unfortunately my knowledge of religions is very limited and I am practicing even less, but I know that most scholars of the different sects do not even offer prayers in the “Imamat” of the other.
By the way, it is amazing how Muslims like yourself get offended, rather than feel proud, by calling someone himself as Muslim. Hardly any Christian would feel offended if a group of Muslims start pretending to be Christian. So who do you believe is the true Muslim as there could only be one sect interpreting Islam correctly, otherwise there was no need to identify one with Sunni, Wahabi, or Shia sects etc. etc.
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@waqar ahmed:
Who has given you or for that matter any Muslim an authority to decide who is Muslim or not?
This very step is wrong itself and un-Islamic just like yourself and people who interfere in other’s faith.
The Law itself is unconstitutional created by Blasphemous people, sanctioned by blasphemous Ulemas Of Pakistan and imposed by blasphemous people in Pakistan. All should be tried and hanged under 295c of blasphemy act.
Will Supreme Court take this online petition against the creators of Anti_Ahmadiyya law as blasphemy against Holy Prophet of Islam and against the religion of Islam?
Since none taught us to declare the other NON-MUSLIM but Pakistan’s Corrupt and Balsphemous National Assembly with their incompetent and bigot leaders introduced?
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@Agent Ali Imran:
wow, your grammar looks really English.
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I find Ahmadiyyas more Muslim than any other sect in Islam.
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Since the last few days the “Ahmadi (non) trouble makers” were not making any waves for the saviors of Islam to stay busy with Jihad. The superior Musluims had actually start to wonder about what hit and when.
The establishment is rather late this time in creating a smoke screen. They badly need to divert focus away from the Shareef / Jayala shenanigans busy in pulling each others pants down. with the help of the saviors of Islam. Ahmadi, Shia, Christian,s Hindus, women, weak, charity workres are easy bones to nurture the big ego feeding off off of hollow rituals in rthe name of Islam.
How they have turned religion on its head is mind boggling. And how they have been rendered insane to inflict self destruction seems a befitting reaction of the laws of nature. As you sow so shall you reap. Where people play God, the soul of the religion simply can not exist. what remains in Pakistan is a rotting carcass of religion. God help this unfortunate nation.
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The first masjid built in London was the Ahmadiyya masjid :):)
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For the bigots, to put it simply;
a. Is it justified to persecute Ahmadis or anyone else in Pakistan by not treating them equally such as reported in this article?
b. If the answer to above is yes then how is an Islamic state better than a secular state where citizens are equal under the law?
So which one is it? As you Islamists can not have it both ways.
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shame on you, pakistani police and mulla
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@Lala Gee:
Why? Is this requirement also applied to other sects? If not then this is discriminatory behaviour and that is exactly the problem; as soon as you start with discriminatory attitude this becomes a slippery slope and before you know human lives are being lost and not only of those who you start with but also of other sects. Pakistan’s present situation where almost all sects are being killed is exactly the outcome of such behaviour.
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@Ashar: …and see where it got ZAB, and the rest of his family for that matter. Don’t ask for Allah’s wrath. Every Pakistan leader is answerable to Allah for the rights of all its citizens. Historically, every Pakistani leader since 1974 has been disgraced out of office, Pakistan has never seen any peace. Ziaul Haq took this Ahmadi hate campaign to another level and it was hard to identify him. So if you want to hate someone for the sake of joining the band wagon then be ready to face the same consequences, as you are guilty by association. I would rather suggest you try to learn what the Ahmadiyya sect preaches, use your own judgement, and then come to your own conclusion. The problem with this country is that there are too many pseudo-intellectuals with superficial knowledge. Good luck….
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@Antebellum: Modern democracies have laws that protect minorities, to avoid the “tyranny of the majority” that is the risk of unprincipled people wielding majority rule.
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What a primitive society !! Hasn’t developed in 1000 years.
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Holy Quran is word of God which has been revealed for all human being, every one irrespective of his can read it, and practise upon its teachings if he so desires. After promulgation of ordinance XX 1984 it was challenged before Federal Shariat Court, the case has been reported as Mujeebur Rehman vs Federation of Pakistan, PLD FSC 1985. The Petitioner asked following questions from the court,
Can a non muslim believe in oneness of God,
Can a non muslim believe Muammad pbuh to be truthful in all his claims,
Can a non muslim adopt Quran as his way of life,
if answer is in negative the court was requested to refer Nass from Holy Quran and Sunnah. The Court answered the questions in affirmative saying that there is no such prohibition.
Second Amendment into the constitution and Ordinance XX 1984 are contrary to constitution of Pakistan, United Nations Charter of Human Rights and other international conventions to which Pakistan is a signatory. Ahmadis are muslims or not muslims will be decided in the hereafter, they are at least human beings this fact is sufficient to entitle them all human rights which are are being denied to them in Pakistan since long. Ahmadis can construct a mosque but cannot call this structure a mosque.
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@Kaalchakra:
Ahmadi problem is most acute in Pakistan – quadian being located in Pakistan itself
Qadian is in INDIA. Lol at your geographical knowledge.
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@Kaalchakra
Ahmadis have been banned (first) in Pakistan because Ahmadi problem is most acute in Pakistan – quadian being located in Pakistan itself
Qadian- the birth place of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the leader of Ahmadia faith, is located in Gurdaspur District of Punjab province of INDIA.
But I guess, facts, to your feverish mind, don’t really matter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadian
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Nasir bhai, I have plenty of education.
Lala Gee
I would be the happiest to see more people become Muslims. But I would not wish to add a few more numbers if these ‘Muslims’ used the garb of islam to spread a completely different religion to both Muslims and non-Muslims.
Suppose you were absolutely sure that Ahmadis were trying to do that, would you still welcome them as “Muslims’?
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These days police is active in doing this type of activities against innocent Ahmadies, Christians, Hindus, Shias. Time will come when God Almighty will come down to protect his verses and his people. Then there will be no body who can protect them against His Jalal. On that day maulvi will not be there to intercede. Ahmadies are registering their FIR to Allah Almighty all over the world. inshallah God Almighty will definitely catch them and their leaders. Then there will be nobody to protect them against His Might. Pakistan is very small country on earth.God almighty has given a little respite. inshallah a time is coming when everyone is answerable for its deeds. I am surprised when terrorists attack on them police has nothing to say or condemn. They get their worst criminal out of jail, and police just look at them and also get killed. Their policeman ship is only for innocent Ahmadies.
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@Pardesi
Why is it we always believe what we are told to believe? When it comes to religion we never bother to research. Why such harsh rigidness instead of understanding and tolerance?
Islam was never meant to be so conservative to encourage killing in the name of religion, to erase verses from a place of worship or to expel students from schools.
For once why don’t we properly research about the community, their belief, the truth and facts about that belief. The exalted rank, the undying respect and love for our beloved Holy Prophet (PBUH) IS *SAME!*
The community should be allowed to clarify the wrong beliefs attached to its name. How do they do this when they are not even allowed to speak about their religion!
I just pray one day we all have enough sense to atleast give one chance to the community to explain its belief.
May Allah bless us with the right path. Ameen
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@Kaalchakra:
It is not ayesha_khan who has Hindu view of Islam. She has the right view of Islam. You have introduced the caste system into it. Ahmediyas cannot do this , cannot do that, cannot sell their product, cannot worship Allah the way they want to. It seems the northerners of South Asia invented caste system and are not able to get out of it. They pursue it by other means, Even the conversion to Islam has not helped,
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Oh…. can even they think that Allah Almighty is happy with their act of removing kalma? Should people of Pakistan and Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or PM gift them a special prize because they have saved Islam? Why don’t they they announce a new relegion as per their own wishes becasue what they are doing is not taught by Hazrat Muhammad SAW
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So basically, unemployment, poverty and violence in Pakistani society do not hurt the feelings of these so called muslims but a few inscriptions on a mosque do apparently. Such is the level of Hypocrisy in our society today.
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What a joke? I feel normal when I heard such NEWS, as these are the last nails in the coffin of …………………………… , you guys know well.
Element of surprise is that the local non-Ahmadies have no object on it.But a couple of irrelevant (i don’t have words to describe them) are demanding the abolishment. They live 15 kilometers away from the said building, don’t they have other things to care for.They should search in their own mohallah or society that how many children are learning Quran, how many people go to mosques to offer prayers. But, today, abolishing other sects or religions is much more necessary rather propagating one’s own religion or practising it.
I can only pray to Almighty for the sack of my religion and my people. may Almighty keep us blessed (amen)
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it is very shameful act, who are we to say anything about someones faith. Being a Muslim it is very disgusting what message we are sending to the world. It is very shameful act. I feel very sorry.
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What kind of Islam these policemen are spreading in front of non muslims?
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Likely Headlines a couple of year hence-
Islamabad- 5th May,2014. Police have arrested some non-Muslims on the charge of trying to look like Muslims. The Inspector said that these people had Two Legs, Two Hands, One Head and a Beard. It is obvious that these non-Muslims were trying to impersonate Muslims for nefarious purposes.
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@usman:
shame on you fahad yousaf. pathetic move by the police. everyone should have a fair chance to practice their religion in peace religion in peace
Then let them practice their OWN religion. Dont try to say they are MUSLIMS.
Because then that makes it personal. We wont interfere with you, if you dont interfere with US.
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quid-e-azam said ” all peoples in pakistan have the religious freedom”. do you think in pakistan all peoples have religious freedom?????
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Signs of fascism in Pakistan. Good luck!
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@Ali:
So, In Pakistan laws are for only minority groups. No laws for Mullah & Terrorist who are damaging image of Pakistan
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despite of all the disputes going on between the sects, they should at least respect the holy verses of the Holy Qur’an.Yes. It was the same “Code of life” which was supposed to be the “Code of state issues”.But they don’t know that they are blindly refusing their code of life. They are encouraging hatred for the thing, they show their utmost boundries of love.
Alas and much sorrow for this nation, which is blindly refusing the truth of its own cause of existence.
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Well writing kalima or quranic verses on Qadiani place of worship is impermissible because it hurts muslims’ religious semtiments becoz the scholars and the state have declared Qadianis as non muslims so a non muslim using muslim symbols in thier worship place is obviously something sinister.
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@A2Z:
There is nothing in Martial Law Ordinance XX about the architecture allowed to Ahmadis
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My head hangs with shame. The Police instead of prohibiting people from such acts indulging in defiling Quranic Verses and demolishing the dome or minaret of mosque? Did Mr. Jinnah in collaboration with Sir Zafaullah Khan Khan ( An Ahmadi) and Sir Agha Khan ( Imam of Seveners) struggled for this kind of Pakistan.
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@Jehangir:
* a non muslim using muslim symbols in thier worship place is obviously something sinister.*
Who gave you the right to declare someone Muslim or non-Muslim? Do you have any examples from the life of the Prophet (SAW) where he stopped any one from reciting or exhibiting Kalima?
It is far more sinister to judge people and stop them from practicing religion. No wonder how screwed up the state of Islam in Pakistan is. Coming down to Muslims killing Muslims in suicide bombing!!!
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Jehangir@ where is prohibition for Ahmadis to write or recite kalimah Tayyiba, it is not property of state or any so called religious scholar. Ahmadis are Muslims according all the definitions taught from time to time, by the holy Prophet pbuh. The state as well as molvis have no authority to declare any one to be non muslim, Article 20 of the constitution is relevant in this regard which is reproduced below, Article 20.
1. Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions.
Subject to law, public order and morality
(a) every citizen shall have the right to profess, practise and propagate his religion, and
(b) every religious denomination and every sect thereof shall have the right to establish, maintain
and manage its religious institutions.
Ordinance XX of 1984 was brain child of the worst usurper Ziaul Haq, for which he had no constitutional authority to promulgate. This dictator had sown poisonous seeds of hatred and bigotry and the country is heading towards anarchy and destruction, after Ahmadis Shia muslims are being persecuted with impunity.
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I dont get this so does this law say that only muslims can right quranic verses on the walls of their holy building and then if they see it written somewhere else they can scrape it off. Just madness. The whole point of what the verses actually mean is forgotten. If I was muslim I would love to see the verses being given so much importance and being used to display the beauty of islam.
Pakistan is heading in a downward spiral and the so called educated are the ones who are leading it to that point. The right wing idiots will do what they have to but the educated pretend to be modern but all they believe is in the law of the jungle where the majority suppresses the minority till they either leave or accept the views of the majority even if it is completely senseless. Shame on the people who simply hide behind senseless laws such as the blasphemy law and laws agains ahmedis. Banana republic indeed.;
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Live & let live . There are more important & delicate matters to be taken care of . However masri shah where this incident happened one or two murders is a routine over car parking issue or over an abuse . Tolerance is lacking in Pakistani society which could be revived , HOW? , it couldn’t be answered . Let the time take its course .
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Shameful and pathetic – another day typical day in the land of the mullah
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This is horrendous … Ahmadi’s are equal citizens and should have the right to live and practice their religion freely in their motherland. Whether we consider them representing green or white part of flag .. they are equal Pakistani. They should be allowed to design mosques the way they like. This article of constitution which restrict them calling themselves Muslims and
Even saying Salam, is highly un Islamic and against basic human rights.
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Gift of free judiciary and a democratic government.
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These so called Muslims, are scraching Quran from mosque and pastor Tery Jones is
burning Quran.I cannot see any difference between them both are doing the same.
Its time to think.
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Let Allah decide who is a muslim and who is not – this is a shameful act by the authorities. pakistan needs to adopt love for All hatred for none
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We should also see the other side of the story:
http://urdu.ahmedi.org/archives/904
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If an Islamic verse is written on a church in the west, will it be blasphamy? I think the Muslims all over the world will be proud of this and will be telling every one that a verse has been found written on one of the churches in UK or USA.
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@Kaalchakra:
“if these ‘Muslims’ used the garb of islam to spread a completely different religion to both Muslims and non-Muslims. … Suppose you were absolutely sure that Ahmadis were trying to do that, would you still welcome them as “Muslims’?”
I wonder why anyone would need to do that. Eventually they have to tell the new entrants what they really are. Do you think that the educated people, as they have the highest number of highly educated people in their community, cannot see what they really are and they have been defrauded. Who could stop them leaving and denouncing Ahmediyat.
A long time ago, about 20 years, I listened the Friday Sermon of Dr. Israr Ahmad in Masjid-Dar-Us-Salam, in the Lawrence Garden. By chance it was about Ahmediyat and the main points (which really surprised me) I can recall were:
A. They supported Quaid-e-Azam and the demand of Pakistan.
B. Ahmedis services by the likes of Sir Zafarullah Khan, the first Foreign Minister of Pakistan, for the Muslim world (Palestine and Kashmir) were significant.
C. Mirza sahib also did some service to Muslims by challenging and debating with the aggressive Christian Missionaries and the leaders of extremist Arya-Samaj Hindu movement and defeated them.
D. Mirza sahib’s claim of being Messiah and hence a prophet is false.
E. If Ahmedis disassociate themselves from Mirza sahib, they present Islam in a realistic way.
His sermon, I felt, was a combination of moral courage and contradiction that left me wondering for some time.
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@Nasir
Well if you live in Pakistan u need to Follow constitution of the Country.
people are always crying for exceptions.
but there is no point of argument we have to follow the law.
Please wait till people like you can change the law and constitution of the country.
till then behave like a law abiding citizen of the country and promote its compliance.
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@fahad yousaf:
Dear Fahad,
I agree that their is nothing more than Law, and everyone should follow the Law. But I believe for Islam, the Law is made by the Almighty Allah and is taught by Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) – Peace of Allah be upon him. And it says “Everyone is Muslim who believe in Kalima Tayyaba”, so when any Ahmadi is believing in Kalima Tayyaba, and placing the respectful Kalima on the walls of their Mosues, than it means he has firm beleive on it. Therefore, no wordly law who is inferior than Law of Allah, should stop it.
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For how long will we allow our incapable leaders, politicians to play with the fate of innocent Pakistani Ahmadis.
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it reminds me the following Khutba of Khalifa Rabbeh ,May Allah rest his souls in the heavens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfDGUb-9V18
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For me ,tolerance mercy and forgiveness are a part of what makes Islam so great and to me all these intolerable and dastardly acts against minorities are shamefuil.More Sunnis need to raise their voices against injustice.
Jamil Lone.
New York
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after facing so much hatred still we believe in “love for all hatred for none” this is what the real islamic teachings are !!!! only allah knows who is better in taqwa ,no body in this world has right to decide and tag ….
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Its really sad what is being done in the name of our beautiful religion Islam. May Allah guide the ignorant towards true purposes if religion and the mosque to create peace and harmony and the duty of police in a civilized society is make sure such people and places are protected. Its really very sad!! May Allah grant enough courage and patience to members of the community and May Allah wake all those people who are sleeping even when such grave injustice is happening in front of them. Aameen!!
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