Vulgar ignorance

Published: April 25, 2012

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Don’t worry everyone, the Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) is on the case. Using its well-honed skills of analysis and observation, it has rooted out the main cause of Pakistan’s recent disasters. Like Sherlock Holmes, they looked at the nation and by noting the rough patches on our knees, the dirt under our fingernails, the way we part our hair and the smell of our cologne, they narrowed it down to the only possible cause: Vulgarity. Not, you know, rampant corruption, cronyism, poverty, crime, terrorism or even violence. It is nudity and vulgarity. And if you disagree, it’s probably because you are naked right now. Pervert.

After all, we all agree that the lawn ads, showing models in various stages of starvation while wrapped in repetitive floral patterns, are what caused the Pakistan Railways, Pakistan International Airlines, Pakistan Steel Mills, Pakistan Agriculture Storage and Services Corporation and National Highway Authority to collectively achieve Rs393 billion in losses in the past four years. Financial analysts will all say that these losses happened because all five of these public-sector enterprises are operating without a governing board or are run by unskilled persons. But the JI knows the truth. It’s because of young people shown hugging in dramas. It was similar exhibitions of visible skin that also caused the tragedy in Siachen, the recent spate of airline tragedies and Ali Musa Gilani’s ephedrine addiction. The honoured members of the Jamaat did not once see the need to protest the gross wastage of lives on a glacial peak, the lack of competence in the Civil Aviation Authority or even the blatant corruption of our elected officials. Just nudity. Initially, I thought maybe by vulgarity the JI meant the obscene lack of decency and restraint shown by the news channels in the aftermath of the plane crash. But it turns out they weren’t too bothered by reporters asking grieving family members how they felt about loved ones dying or channels decorating their bulletins with little animations of a plane smashing into the bottom of your tv screen. Nope, the Jamaat was more traumatised by erotic content. Clearly, I’m watching the wrong channels. Therefore, I am quite hopeful that after the Jamaat-i-Islami-organised protest against Vulgarity and Nudity in Karachi on April 27, we will see a vast and sudden improvement in our quality of life.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the rest of us are having to deal with the fact that the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) government has managed to do to Pakistan in just four years what even the most conservative estimates imagined would take a decade to achieve. It is something they can really be proud of. To single-handedly destroy the airline industry, the basic economy, the gas and electricity infrastructure, the lives of minorities and generally, most of our will to live; that is no mean feat. A lesser party would have seen such a long to-do list and thrown up its arms, but not our PPP. The boys and girls of the Pakistan Peoples Party won’t rest until the only thing standing is Bilawal House. Don’t look at the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz for help. They just spent all their energy getting Shumaila Rana back inside the Punjab Assembly — one assumes so she can grab any unprotected credit cards for buying more laptops. What neither party seems particularly interested in is that Balochistan has become a tragedy, Hazara Shias are being massacred and every day, enough people die in ethnic violence in Karachi to fill a plane’s cargo hold with coffins.

Maybe the vulgarity that should be protested is the vulgar disregard of all that really matters to us and the naked greed that is consuming us all. Anything less is just obscene.

Published in The Express Tribune, April 26th, 2012.

Reader Comments (104)

  • Super Pak
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:22PM

    Jiye Zardari, Jiye Sharif. LOL Shameful that people still support these “leaders.” The blind leading the blind.

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  • Kaalchakra
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:26PM

    As a supporter of JI, I am deeply offended by the potshots the author has taken against the great organization. Vulgarity is a huge social sin. Please read your scripture to know how Allah has destroyed vulgar nations and replaced them with the righteous.

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  • Abid P Khan
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:31PM

    After the attacks on the WTC, Jerry Falwell told the US Fundos, it was the sinful life which has brought the curse of the lord, upon the Christians.

    Later, when earthquake hit the Northern Areas, Maulana Israrul Haq . Repeated Jerry Falwell’s words.

    And now JI’s deliberations, no surprise there.

    All the mullahs, imams, maulvis, preachers, rabbis, pandits, lamas etc, get their training at the same institute…known as Campus Ignoritus Maximus.Recommend

  • kanwal
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:36PM

    @Kaalchakra
    Social sin, eh? I agree. Its just that I absolutely can not figure out why it comes in the list of things JI should demonstrate against? I think they have enough on their plate, what with supporting Hafiz Saeed and praising the “GREAT” Martyr Osama. Where do you classify the mental vulgarity and Mullaism?

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  • What The
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:45PM

    But the PPP is a democratically elected government right? And democratic governments are the good guys right? Because democracy is the only correct mode of government in the world right? “We”, the people of Pakistan, put the PPP into power right?

    TOU AB RO KIUN RAHAY HO?!

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  • Kulsum Zehra
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:49PM

    several times Jamaat has marked anti terrorism, anti drone attack, anti poverty and anti lack of education day … even now days you can see banners against terrorism and target killing in Karachi but there is a huge cry in media now that JI is pointing towards a burning issue of vulgarity. And laughingly our so called liberals always fail to give even a tiny bit of credit to JI and even forgot the ground realities that JI has already marked days against all the important issues that has written in this article. Pathetic extremism shown here by the columnist.

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  • FS
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:53PM

    Deomcracy is the best revenge and you just realized who is the victim.

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  • Habib tahir
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:55PM

    Despite the fact that the Constitution of Pakistan don not allow any such activities in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Pakistani media is deliberating the spread of nudity and vulgarism. oh oh oh im so sorry … Its MEDIA.. MEDIA is allowed to violate the constitution right???
    JI on has taken stance on every single issue.. Recommend

  • Saad
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:00AM

    Its actually hurting me to see the shortsightedness of the writer. He has turned his back towards all the social work done by JI during the natural calamities, be it earthquake or the flood. The faction of pseudo liberals the writer is representing, never came out of their homes to help the poor, while JI is running the massive Alkhidmat organization to help the poor people of the country.
    Having said that, vulgarity is indeed becoming a major issue of our media. Unethical marketing and uncensored media programs are destroying the basic ethical and moral values of our society. JI has protested on all issues and this is also a v important issue. So please take a look at the bigger picture.

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  • Mustafa Kamal
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:05AM

    JI demands govt. to protect their morality. :-)..

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  • M_ALI
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:05AM

    A very thoughtful connection of vulgarity with institution failures, Hope JI may protest against any of the failures of our country, then the woman’s body

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  • I read it too!
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:09AM

    I think the JI is right in saying nudity and vulgarity is the nation’s root problem, as all the ‘bad’, immoral/illegal actions are performed in the same frame of mind, according to me. So if we, as a society, promote nudity (in ads etc.), or do not think it as bad, condone it, we will in all likelihood, not also stop/try to stop, instead take part in prevalent corruption (the same frame of mind theory)…and corruption is the definitive root of all evils.

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  • Zulfiqar Ali
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:10AM

    Sami, thank you so much for pointing out the irony. Another brilliant piece.

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  • Apr 26, 2012 - 12:10AM

    Another agenda driven article by Express Tribune. The article is far from reality and needs quick fact checks. The editorial team has lost its credibility and balance of opinion by publishing such immature pieces. Even one sided propaganda has some rules.

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  • Saleem
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:11AM

    Who has given JI the right to terrorise the majority of Pakistani population with their stone age mentality. They have never managed to win more than a few seats in any election but have a great nuisance value.

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  • Junaid
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:15AM

    I was kind of anticipating such a circumstantially biased article.
    Why is that we bestow JI with our graces only when they seem to talk about something conservative? The answer is simple: we like to form opinions before we ought to–out of narrow-minded progressive thinking. No author on ET commented on their efforts towards the bigger issues that they have been addressing in nearly every statement prior to this.
    I may not agree with their manifesto totally, but JI is the only truly democratic party in Pakistan and elects even regional leaders through a thorough, fair and discreet voting process; and to be honest, that deserves respect.
    Educated minds seldom fall prey to liking and disliking.

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  • Mir
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:18AM

    North & South America, Europe, Africa(tribals dont wear anything), Half of Asia are vulgar and promoting vulgarity everywhere in world, JI with their allies of DPC soon gonna replace their governments in future. Just let you know in country they’ve resolved the issues of electricity, water, sewage, gas, health, education, poverty, law and order( terrorism,sectarianism,extremism doesn’t exist). Every problem is solved only obscenity is left. I have been watching wrong channels btw JI should let me know the channels please so that i can join in protests with full knowledge. Dear all dont say,write anything to channels, advertisers because we gonna burn their nude posters, its gonna be bonfire, we will surprise them with wild party. Party Full on Hai only with JI.

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  • faraz
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:19AM

    @Kulsoom Zehra

    Writing columns is extremism? I can assure you no liberal will snatch burqas and niqabs. What about terrorism by IJT goons in universities.

    No wonder JI is one of most irrelevant political party in Pakitsan. Petty issues usually only attract the attention of educated middle class.

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  • Waqas Maalik
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:20AM

    JI is the only party in Pakistan which is highlighting every social issue but I am sorry to say that author is not aware of facts, so I advise him to get adequate knowledge of ground realities and should appreciated the contributions of Jamaat e Islami Pakistan to our society. Jamaat e Islami is only party present in the troubled city of Karachi which is not indulged in target killings or extortion.

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  • Bingo
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:20AM

    ok yes there are many other issues to be protested against.. but u cannot deny the very fact that it is also an issue to be discussed.. and in a sense u r right that “if you disagree, it’s probably because you are naked right now”… probably this is not right time to do such things but the author is like some agent of other political party, constantly trying to prove that this should not be the issue to be discussed at all….
    this is a real dilemma that we instead of solving one issue, try to mingle it up with several others….and under a govt. like ours no problem seems to be settled in a peaceful manner whether the time has come or not..
    but i wont totally blame the author, our political parties have now become so much hypocrite that we donot think that they can ever do anything for the betterment of the nation..but for their own benefits only

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  • anonymous observer
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:24AM

    Vulgar tou mau’dudi ki harkatein theen when he acted against the state and got a death penalty for inciting the murder of over 1000 of his fellow countrymen in 1953..

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  • Musab
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:25AM

    HEHE… i can just laugh at the ignorance of the writer… i think he should investigate more and he would find that JI has been fighting over all the issues of this country and now that JI has raised its voice against another issue which is destroying our nation’s values, the family system, the moralities of the society people like him are so offended… u know y??? coz they can only write blogs and cant do anything positive… someone ask him how he has helped in rooting the problems of the country and how he has helped to solve them…

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  • Kaalchakra
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:35AM

    Kanwal

    I hope you are not a Pakistani. A Pakistani who says bad things against Professor Syed Hafiz who is attacked by the enemies of Pakistan and Islam but against whom no charges have been proven is, I am sorry to say, a traitor.

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  • Apr 26, 2012 - 12:46AM

    The biggest FREE educational network in Pakistan is run by Jamaat-e-Islami. I have yet to see the liberals launch something of that magnitude. :) I have yet to see them appreciate it, at least!
    The Al-Khidmat organization has done massive social work.
    This is a shameless article, written by those who do nothing, and lazily criticize those who do all they can. Love you JIRecommend

  • Apr 26, 2012 - 12:52AM

    http://www.radio.gov.pk/newsdetail-15169

    ^the writer says “The Jamaat did not feel the need to protest against corruption. Excuse me. Were you sleeping on 25 Dec 2011? Everyone open the link and read article.

    “Addressing the participants‚ Ameer of Jamaat-e-Islami‚ Munawwar Hassan termed rampant corruption in society as the main cause behind the problems being faced by the people.”Recommend

  • Falcon
    Apr 26, 2012 - 1:05AM

    that was funny to say the least…however, for the people who are favoring JI’s stance, my humble question is this…isn’t it possible that cronyism, indifference, irresponsible governance, tax evasion, mistreatment of minorities and politically / socially weaker beings are also sins by Islamic definition as well…then why isn’t JI speaking out against it…no doubt they have done good work in the past as well…but why are their priorities so misplaced that in the middle of so many tragedies they choose to focus on this social issue only which by the way, is not restricted to Pakistani society alone…to be honest Pakistani society is one of the most conservative around the globe and is one of the least affected by the trend of nudity that JI is concerned about…

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  • Hassan
    Apr 26, 2012 - 1:45AM

    Now i know that the JI’s campaign is working……….

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  • adeel ahmed
    Apr 26, 2012 - 1:55AM

    Despite I do not agree wit JI policies but I am telling you that 80% of middle class and lower middle class agree with JI on the vulgarity issue in media. Sometime, we are disconnect with masses and could not understand the public sentiment.

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  • Pollack
    Apr 26, 2012 - 2:18AM

    @Kaalchakra: “Allah has destroyed vulgar nations and replaced them with the righteous.”

    Are you claiming that the current Pakistan society is vulgar? How unpatriotic???

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  • Fayaz
    Apr 26, 2012 - 2:29AM

    Media alway spport and give more coverge to seculers and put more girls semi nude pics rether then highi lighting real issus of pakisran .media is imposing by force. Nuitdy and inmorilaty in socity it should control by pemra.

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  • LOL
    Apr 26, 2012 - 2:33AM

    I’m amazed at the responses to this article. JI has done nothing constructive in its entire history of formation. It has only been responsible for vandalism, destroying state property, terrorising citizens and fighting the law of the state. So-called social work done at the cost of spreading racial and state hatred is no social work.
    JI is just a proponent of ignorance. Maybe it should stand for ‘Justifying Ignorance’ (JI).

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  • sumair
    Apr 26, 2012 - 3:17AM

    Typical mullah’s and their rants, how about anti mullah day first! pakistan wont be islamic state and neither it should be..secular all the way…

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  • Haris Chaudhry
    Apr 26, 2012 - 3:23AM

    Kalchakra says: “Allah has destroyed vulgar nations and replaced them with the righteous…”

    Ummm.. are you serious Kalchakra..?? Which nation has the lord destroyed int he last 500 years based on “vulgarity” and replaced with righteous one..???

    The fact that people get away willy nilly quoting misleaading and sheer lies is the biggest vulgarity…

    If you describe ‘vulgarity’ as showing off the body, then I guess most of South America especially Brazil, most European nations, North America, Australia etc etc would be classified as ‘vulgar’, so please explain which nation of these was destroyed by Allah and replaced by the righteous one..??

    The destruction from tsunamis, floods, wars, famine and earthquake seem to hit the poorest nations..

    I just cant believe how mullas and their supporters get away with putting out such blatant lies and misleading information…
    Haris

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  • Afaaq
    Apr 26, 2012 - 3:31AM

    Great read, Enjoyed it thoroughly.

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  • Shayan TJ
    Apr 26, 2012 - 4:03AM

    Jamaat-e-Islami voted against the Domestc Violence Prevention which ultimately got delayed. Now they are calling for an Anti-Vulgarism Day. What a shame. This Country surprises me every now and then.

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  • Hasan Awan
    Apr 26, 2012 - 4:07AM

    Recent visit of my home town revealed that people curse PPP and when i asked them whom they are going to vote next time then they were in all out support for one candidate who is the joint candidate of PMLQ And PPP from my region.
    So based on these observations i am hopeful PPP is again gonna win along with their allies and It is a curse invited by the people themselves and now i truly believe that People deserve this torture and they should have a Wrath of Allah in Pakistan as they deserve this as they were the ones who voted these cursed People and they are going to vote them again in next elections.
    JI work is appreciative in some ways but i hope that some day they will have a anti Corruption day in Pakistan because in my view corruption is one of the biggest problems in Pakistan. Also in my region JI in fact support PPP as well and they should stop this political affiliation thing for good.

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  • Syed Faisal
    Apr 26, 2012 - 4:11AM

    I totally support JI campaign. Although Vulgarity is one of the issues pakistan is facing with.JI played its role in all aspect of life, because Islam is the way of life, whether you agree or not thats the fact.How Jamaat ignore this .

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  • faraz
    Apr 26, 2012 - 4:13AM

    @Pakistani in the UAE

    IJT has a defining role in turning Pakistani universities into third class institutions. So much for their contribution to education! Liberals didn’t make fortunes during US dollar jihad under which children from poor families were indoctrinated and dumped into Afghanistan and later Kashmir.

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  • Qaisar imran
    Apr 26, 2012 - 4:53AM

    I think JI is doing gud job,every 1 know they use to rise their voice aginst corruption inflation loadsheding and all nation crises & still doing,,as a muslim its not only for JI members to record their protest against flourrishing vulgarity,though its our collective responsibilty as a muslim nation to stop these vulgarisim,.

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  • Qaisar imran
    Apr 26, 2012 - 4:56AM

    u hav no sense as we can understad from ur low level comments i just want to say grow up@LOL:

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  • yajsingh
    Apr 26, 2012 - 5:00AM

    @ Pakistani in the UAE – How many scientists, engineers, technocrat, inventions, patents, innovations have these so called JI educated folks produced?
    The current crisis facing Pakistani nation is a result of these FREE education by JI.

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  • Munzir Zafar
    Apr 26, 2012 - 5:02AM

    I am not a JI supporter. But I want to point out that the author is showing his own ignorance here:

    JI never said that the reason for “Pakistan Railways, Pakistan International Airlines, Pakistan Steel Mills, Pakistan Agriculture Storage and Services Corporation and National Highway Authority to collectively achieve Rs393 billion in losses in the past four years” is because of the vulgarity.

    JI never said that it was “exhibitions of visible skin that also caused the tragedy in Siachen”

    It is the author’s ignorance which is making him see the world with the eyes of “economic” gains and losses in society only.

    It is author’s ignorance to assume that the problem of rampant moral degradation somehow become less important when the nation is facing political, economic or judicial problems.

    The social problems are just as important in a society as are the economic and other problems. And we should see the social problem (such as moral degradation in our society from generation to generation) as a problem in its own right without trying to conflate it with other problems. And if someone is showing concern over it, that’s their right to do so.

    I might not agree with JI completely, but I completely condone and appreciate their concern in this regard.

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  • yajsingh
    Apr 26, 2012 - 5:05AM

    @ Kaalchakra – “Allah has destroyed vulgar nations and replaced them with the righteous.”
    FYI – JI is protesting against vulgarity in Pakistan. Going by your logic;
    1. Vulgar nations are destined to destruction
    2. Pakistan’s current crisis is a result of vulgarity
    3. Pakistan is destined for destruction (or probably it has already begun)

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  • Apr 26, 2012 - 6:34AM

    Its actually hurting me to see the shortsightedness of the writer. He has turned his back towards all the social work done by JI during the natural calamities, be it earthquake or the flood. The faction of pseudo liberals the writer is representing, never came out of their homes to help the poor, while JI is running the massive Alkhidmat organization to help the poor people of the country.
    Having said that, vulgarity is indeed becoming a major issue of our media. Unethical marketing and uncensored media programs are destroying the basic ethical and moral values of our society. JI has protested on all issues and this is also a v important issue. So please take a look at the bigger picture.

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  • Bilal Ahmed
    Apr 26, 2012 - 6:38AM

    Good Move by JI !! Highly appreciated .. ET should report the event/activity instead of building a biased opinion. JI is a well organized, oriented, established party striving for Islamic System in Pakistan, we should support JI bcox Islam is the solution for all of our Socio-religio-eco problems .. Good Move JI … Qadam Barhao Hm Tmharay Sath hain !! Thx.

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  • UBM
    Apr 26, 2012 - 7:21AM

    I am a bit surprised by JI’s stance and many of the comments to Sami’s excellent piece- when I look around I see many more examples of hijabs and niqabs and untrimmed beards than
    naked people- so maybe we are blaming the wrong element for all our woes!

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  • Salman
    Apr 26, 2012 - 9:21AM

    One wonders why most media outlets only seem to criticize Islamic parties when they touch such issues. They are never given this much spotlight when they work in other social works which also benefits the general public. . It only seems to lead to the fact that the media is on an agenda.

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  • JB
    Apr 26, 2012 - 9:23AM

    Sami has taken irony to a whole new level! I love it!!!

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  • asad
    Apr 26, 2012 - 9:27AM

    There is a link between vulgarity and the social injustice. Unfortunately it is not apparent. Nevertheless I don’t see JI being objective in their efforts

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  • Yuri Kondratyuk
    Apr 26, 2012 - 10:27AM

    lawn ads showing models in various
    stages of starvation

    Classic!!

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  • Khurram
    Apr 26, 2012 - 11:10AM

    Only JI is the last hope of Islamic revolution …….

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  • Apr 26, 2012 - 11:38AM

    Mr. JI on you like that are smear. Though Pakistan is doing all the good work Jamaat. Example. Alkdmt working in flood affected areas remain under

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  • Usman Ahmed
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:54PM

    @Ahmed Tamjid Aijazi: This is an opinion piece. The newspaper is not taking sides. If you can write a rebuttal that is precise and eloquent by all means, do so.

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  • Apr 26, 2012 - 1:02PM

    JI consistently demonstrate against inflation, poverty, load shedding, drone attacks, American infiltration etc but the thing which badly hurt the writer is the JI campaign against vulgarity. Poor mentality :(

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  • Zee
    Apr 26, 2012 - 1:32PM

    Brilliant piece Sami. JI is a pathetic good-for-nothing organization that uses religion for its political motives.

    And Kaal Chakra: Atleast bring some logic into your argument. It is worthy of a good laugh.Recommend

  • Sheraz Ali
    Apr 26, 2012 - 2:00PM

    spread of nudity and vulgarism is a planned conspiracy against the Pakistani and the forces behind the conspiracy are bent upon tarnishing the Islamic norms and values. The commercial activities were sign of prosperity but the conspirators had deliberately converted the rights of publicity into a menace of vulgarity by incorporating women in semi-nude display of TV and outdoor billboard sinages. spread of nudity and vulgarism through Pakistani private television channels, outdoor advertisers and organizers of fashion shows and cat walks should be banned.

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  • Pk
    Apr 26, 2012 - 2:48PM

    @Kaalchakra:
    You’re the one who I hope isn’t a Pakistani. But judging by the state of the nation today, I guess you must be.
    Btw, you have no right whatsoever to call anyone a traitor just for questioning the credentials of “Profeesor” Saeed.

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  • Seriously.
    Apr 26, 2012 - 3:37PM

    I’d rather have the PPP governing this Country again then the JI.

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  • sars
    Apr 26, 2012 - 4:15PM

    @Kaalchakra:
    Nations have been destroyed in the past because of indecent behaviour thats true.
    Having said that if WE are destroyed, im sure vulgarity in the common man is not going to be the cause.

    A nation that regularly lies and then justifies it on the fact that “everyone does it”, steals, doesnt work honestly, hoards, oppresses the weak,uses its daughters as chattel to buy off enemies, promotes and justifies domestic violence as a right and encourages hatres and violence towards minorities; doesnt need to worry , im sure there are much better reasons to destroy us vulgarity is way down on the list.

    The JI as usual is more interested in issues that have a racy undertone to them always, i wonder if that is not where the true vulgarity lies in a population where most women are covered from head to foot.

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  • Ali Manzer
    Apr 26, 2012 - 5:11PM

    For those who live on Mars and think that JI does not address other issues, they may be right, cause JI Pakistan does:

    About the recent blasts in train
    http://urdu.jamaat.org/site/general_detail/news/3545

    against rise in POL prices:
    http://dawn.com/2012/04/10/ji-stages-sit-in-against-increase-in-oil-prices/
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-7-101643-JI-protests-against-hike-in-POL-prices

    Recent Corruption:
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-7-105045-PPP-govt-setting-new-records-of-corruption-Siraj

    About Balochistan Issue:
    http://urdu.jamaat.org/site/general_detail/events/964
    http://tribune.com.pk/story/369750/govt-should-bring-baloch-leaders-into-mainstream-politics-ji-chief/

    Election Manifesto:
    http://urdu.jamaat.org/site/page/15/

    and please appreciate this news item:
    http://tribune.com.pk/story/370050/asghar-khan-petition-cj-slams-lack-of-courage-of-accused-parties/
    Heading a three-member bench, Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry observed that, except for the Jamaat-e-Islami, no other political party has had the courage to face the court and only give statements outside it.

    The list is endless

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  • elementary
    Apr 26, 2012 - 5:26PM

    Could any of the JI supporters define Vulgarity for ignorant folks like me?

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  • ALi
    Apr 26, 2012 - 5:37PM

    as always liberals are crying!!! I do not know why they hate Islam!

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  • King Kong
    Apr 26, 2012 - 5:42PM

    I’m surprised to see that so many Jamaatis read such a ‘liberal’ newspaper. Good job Sami, it’s always a pleasure to read your satire.

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  • Maryam
    Apr 26, 2012 - 5:50PM

    Classic piece of writing.

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  • Afridi
    Apr 26, 2012 - 6:32PM

    @ kalchara , kanwal don’t fight with each other

    i didn’t read your complete the article just read the first paragraph and i understood what u have written. a piece of advice being a media man don’t make you an blackmailer. as you yourself portray its a democratic country everyone has the right of speech if someone has pointed some thing wrong in you being more educated man rather then pointing fingers on him in return take it positive and introduce corrective measures and improve your media. yes they are themselves very dirty people but that doesn’t make you right as well. see dramas on GEO and HUM tv some are very good no doubt but max are on extra marital affairs. Thats not right and I hope ALL AGREE WITH ME ON IT.

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  • Ghulam
    Apr 26, 2012 - 6:43PM

    The author contradicts himself. Look at the evidence Siachen, the airplane crash, the floodings, the bombings. Remember, “The Hour will come when violence, bloodshed, and anarchy become common.”(Al-Muttaqi Al-Hindi, Muntakhab Kanzul Ummaal)

    These all signs of Allahs displeasure. We are paying the price for vulgarity. Kaalchakra is right if we don’t change it will become worse and worse. Vulgar nations will be punished and perish, like the Westerners and Indians will. Pakistan get go back to the right direction or perish. We still have a chance.

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  • Saqib
    Apr 26, 2012 - 6:52PM

    . The issue with people like the ones who support JI and its mandate is that you peopel have made the wrong points as hard points in islam due to jihalat. Huqooqulibad is what u will be questioned on . what happens between me and my god is none of yourgod damn business. This stupid strike will hurt so many daily wage people. disrupt busines, traffic . the list is endless .. fix your thought process and your own kitchen then ask others to change. Recommend

  • Big Rizvi
    Apr 26, 2012 - 7:02PM

    Bravo! Magnificent piece! Really appreciate this one. I love the touch of humor, simply awesome!

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  • elementary
    Apr 26, 2012 - 7:06PM

    Kaalchakra :
    In the last thousand years ,how many nations were destroyed by vulgarity?.Could you also enlighten which righteous nations were they replaced with?.

    If vulgarity is the single most important reason for the down fall of nations,why are we seeing the opposite effect in today’s world ,why are nations which are much more vulgar than ours continue to make progress and achieve prosperity, and vulgarity does not seem to hamper them?
    Denmark where “vulgarity” is most widespread ;according to WHO is one of the most properous and happy nations on the planet.Why do we see this paradox?

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  • Osama Sarwar
    Apr 26, 2012 - 7:30PM

    It’s a sweet way to place a completely biased and politicized article under the banner of ‘opinion’. Not to forget, media shapes the mind of the communities and authors should understand that this kind of text provokes the readers. Mr. Sami Shah needs to mend his analytical skills. He sounds nothing less than a witty politician. Take some time out and go through religious scriptures as well because modernity is all about multiplicity of perspectives.

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  • bazeed khan
    Apr 26, 2012 - 7:46PM

    let us have a fair poll to have the public opinion

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  • Omar Hamid
    Apr 26, 2012 - 7:49PM

    Have you no shame? Not only are you trying to ignore a grave threat to our society, you are also misrepresenting their views. Talk about unethical journalism.

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  • Nasir
    Apr 26, 2012 - 7:52PM

    The Mullah must be stopped – the real reason for Pakistan’s disasters is the Mullah and the hatred and extremism they spread

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  • Talat Haque
    Apr 26, 2012 - 8:36PM

    Great writing! Love the article!…………
    all actions are judged by intentions ……… the reason JI has been judged and condemned by this nation is because of their Intentions – their ‘niyyat’ ! ……….. they don’t mean a thing they say or do ……….. they want political power and use religion for the wrong reason ………. they are not interested in vulgarity they are interested in using this as an issue to further their agenda ………… all their ‘social work’ has had no effect because of the ill-intention [budniyyati] which is obvious ……….. they would do better if they did good for the sake of good ………… if they are playing politics, then come out straight ………….. they are like ‘Jalebi’ – doesn’t work! try not to fool all the people all the time!

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  • billo
    Apr 26, 2012 - 9:35PM

    @asad : If you look at the countries that have some of the best indicators of social justice, such as human development indicators and income equality, you will find Japan and the Scandinavian countries top the list. According to JI’s definition, these are also probably some of the world’s most vulgar nations. Ergo, there appears to be a positive link between vulgarity and social justice. JI has landed completely on the wrong side of this issue. Its new nara should be Kapray hatao, mulk bachao!

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  • Maria Sheikh
    Apr 26, 2012 - 10:05PM

    @Junaid:
    Well-said. People reactionary and extremist in ANY view see only opposing extremisms all around. Their minds seem to have no other frame of reference. This author illustrates such a mind within himself. His writing gives a bad name to open-minded discourse.

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  • Mujtaba
    Apr 26, 2012 - 10:35PM

    @Kaalchakra

    If vulgarity has destroyed our nation, then why countries like United states,Japan,China where vulgarity and nudity is openly shown on tv channels and it is not a big issue for them are progressing in every part of life. These JI supporters need to be thrown out of this country with their party leaders. You guys link everything with sex,nudity and vulgarity. If there is earthquake .. this is because we watch dramas ..where there is a bomb blast .. this is because of the songs we listen… where there is plane crash .. this is because women go out without covering themselves … Sick people with sick mentality. If these bomb blasts and earthquakes happen because we are listening to songs and women are going out without covering their heads then countries like Japan , US , France would have been victims of these blasts and plane crashes. Why only Pakistan is suffering … Think out of the Box you stupid people.

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  • Ali
    Apr 26, 2012 - 10:55PM

    I am shocked at the crap that the writer has produced. Clearly, he does not have even basic understanding of our deen. The stance on vulgarity is absolutely correct and Allah has said that He does destroy such nations and replaces them with better people. Is the tsunami not enough of a sign for people??

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  • concerenedpakistani
    Apr 26, 2012 - 11:07PM

    @Kaalchakra: you are kidding me right? first of all, hafiz saeed has not really been ‘attacked’ by anyone. he’s chilling in his mansion and living a regular life, which he has the right to do just like you and i. hafiz saeed has ‘attacked’ his enemies in much the same way they have ‘attacked’ him – through useless rhetoric and baseless allegations on each side.

    getting back to the point, can you please enlighten me on the meaning of vulgar? and then enlighten me on the vulgar nations that were destroyed? i would really love to know. and please lets not go back to the 8th century for these examples. the world has evolved since then.

    and as far as i define vulgar, its the same as the author describes. vulgarity is the obscene disregard for all the values that make a country and its people a strong, independent, and self-sufficient. and in that regard, i agree with the JI, pakistan is one of the most vulgar countries out there. but mainly because of people like you. and the JI. and the establishment. and the apathetic liberal elites. and it’s primarily because of our inability to practice empathy. what people wear has nothing to do with it. what people watch has nothing to do with it. it’s all about what people are doing, or rather the lack of it, that makes us so vulgar.

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  • Parvez
    Apr 26, 2012 - 11:09PM

    Killer funny.

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  • elementary
    Apr 26, 2012 - 11:18PM

    @asad:You wrote: There is a link between vulgarity and the social injustice.*
    Could you elaborete for the benefit of ignorants like me,what’s the link.?

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  • Talha
    Apr 27, 2012 - 12:04AM

    The article does thoroughly talks about all the grave issues we have in Pakistan. But Mr.Sami you didnt talk about any solution. What practical options do we have now to get it all correct but just Ask Allah for his mercy and his help and trust me you wont get any help with your clothes off. personally I am not a big fan of JI but still the issue they are talking about is a serious one. And Its not political parties that are destroying its are Aamal that have brought us at this place…

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  • Abid P Khan
    Apr 27, 2012 - 12:44AM

    Natural phenomenon are caused by the number of sinful acts committed by the citizen of the place. Am I stating the proposition rightfully?

    Turkey has no oil but a burgeoning tourist industry besides good enough level of industrialisation that it can be classified as a part of the Second World.
    Iran, its neighbour has oil and with that income people can buy luxury goods, impossible for a Turk to dream of.
    Registration of women at the universities is considerably higher than in Turkey, despite the rule of Kemalists for decades. Turkey has topless beaches and cordoned off nudist ones too. Night clubs have strip and pole dance shows.

    There are no night clubs or discos in Iran. Under the regulations of mutaa, Iranians get away with sexual indulgence.

    Turkey has kerhane i.e. state supervised enclosed quarters for prostitutes, in all the average sized cities.

    Both of these countries suffer from periodically from earthquakes affecting huge number of people. The suffering is the same on either side of the border, even if the Iranian female achieves the status of a “woman” at the age of nine and thus obliged to cover herself in Islamic fashion. Degree of Islamisation is “complete” in Iran.

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  • FAriz Merchant
    Apr 27, 2012 - 2:34AM

    i loved the lawn ads!!!!

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  • Zohair
    Apr 27, 2012 - 6:04AM

    nicely crafted article. good to see people pointing out the obvious (which you articulated well – kudos to that), which sadly only a minority sees. so many supporters of JI’s vulgarity theory here is a sad reflection on our education system that has not been able to teach many of our pupils the basis of any academic, in fact worldly, endeavor: logic. That somehow ‘vulgarity’ can be related to corruption, ethnic violence, supression, energy crisis, terrorism and the other plethora of problems that beset the country. Grow up Pakistan; own the problems that surround you, use your faculties to understand them well so that we may progress and prosper which is not too hard for most nations of the world.

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  • Muneeza
    Apr 27, 2012 - 6:49AM

    I’m just waiting for the Anti-Stupidity Day to roll in, any chance of JI arranging that? No?

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  • Faisal
    Apr 27, 2012 - 7:07AM

    You know that feeling when you wish a certain article was translated and published in every Urdu newspaper in Pakistan? Well, this is one of those articles.

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  • Apr 27, 2012 - 9:38AM

    can JI organize a big rally against Terrorism if they think it against Islam ?

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  • MF Hussain
    Apr 27, 2012 - 10:00AM

    To the author. You are truly an oddity in Pakistan. A man with a brain!
    Otherwise its all slime like Kaalchakra

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  • Yusuf
    Apr 27, 2012 - 10:38AM

    If the JI is such a socially relevant party (lets not forget that Bangladesh has banned political parties from using religion as a manifesto), how come they are never able to get more than a handful of seats in the elections? I really want to know. Can someone on this forum pls explain? I think it would be VERY informative for our readers.

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  • basanti
    Apr 27, 2012 - 12:06PM

    “the gross wastage of lives on a glacial peak”?? really?
    unless you are versed in the importance of geo-stragetic military sites, their costs, and their benefits, it would be ignorant of you to make such a statement.
    your witty title is ironic at best.

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  • nikhat
    Apr 27, 2012 - 3:16PM

    @Kaalchakra:
    And Pakistan is the righteous nation ,YEH where there is no crime,no curruption.no evil, no favouritism,no illiteracy,no human right violations, no poverty, no child abuse, no domestic violence as women should learn to accept the other 3 wives etc etc.

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  • nikhat
    Apr 27, 2012 - 3:19PM

    curruption and lack of education should be tackled first. the rest of the things will be fixed easily then. God save my country .

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  • sana
    Apr 27, 2012 - 4:00PM

    “the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) government has managed to do to Pakistan in just four years what even the most conservative estimates imagined would take a decade to achieve. It is something they can really be proud of. To single-handedly destroy the airline industry, the basic economy, the gas and electricity infrastructure, the lives of minorities and generally, most of our will to live; that is no mean feat.”

    Right, because PIA was so efficient 4 years ago, the CNG licenses were issued by the PPP all those years ago, PPP pols care more about their lives than defending minority rights and want to destroy our will to live by banning things like Basant. I’m all for highlighting Jamati BS, but what a trip, man.

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  • Osman Siddiqi
    Apr 27, 2012 - 9:38PM

    @Kaalchakra: Having done that – I suppose the nations today are the ‘replacers’ to those vulgar nations. Including Pakistan. You cannot and should not be a supporter of a party just because they come off and act religious. They are there with the aim of governing a country which does face economic and corruption issues (not caused by vulgarity), labor and class market failures (again, surprise, not caused by vulgarity), and a tendency for the political system to collapse in on itself every 4 years.

    I agree with Sami, as should any one, whether you are religious or otherwise, because what the JI is saying is absolute buqwaas.

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  • Zain
    Apr 27, 2012 - 11:31PM

    “Maybe the vulgarity that should be protested is the vulgar disregard of all that really matters to us and the naked greed that is consuming us all. Anything less is just obscene.” Quoting from the author doesn’t know but I think the JI leadership would agree with what you are saying that the other kind of vulgarity – naked greed – should also be protested. They have protested not only nudity/vulgarity but on other issues.

    If you disagree that there is no vulgarity in Pakistan or it is a non-issue that is another matter but to say that JI only protests that issue I would beg to differ.

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  • Zain Mahmood
    Apr 27, 2012 - 11:37PM

    I really don’t think so that JI has only protested about these issues. They have protested about the naked and hidden greed too. It is the ONLY party that was in the parliament that is NOT in the parliament after 2008 elections.Now tell me what kind of protests of greed is that. Maybe the protests of greed for justice, greed for sanity in politics, and greed for non-corruption.

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  • umar
    Apr 28, 2012 - 5:21AM

    for all those lamenting vulgarity, social sins, nudity, etc. please explain what do they mean by these statements. can they please come up with definite and sufficiently clear definitions of these highly subjective terms/notions so as to make regulation of these issues, even an arguable, possibility, and can they also please provide a causal link between these concepts and the problems Pakistan faces. [To give just one example and to rile the 'self-righteous' (only negative connotations intended): i do recall the title molvi diesel who committed all those corrupt acts while in a supposedly 'pure state of mind']
    if you cannot give a sufficiently precise definition and establish a causal link then i do request you to please refrain from telling me how to live my life for Allah created me free. and if it offends or arouses your perverted minds, i request you, please, not to watch these ‘vulgar acts’.
    it is one thing to exercise ones freedom to watch/do or not to watch/do such things, quiet another to tell another not to watch/do such things for then you are intruding within the inviolable personal space that Allah granted to each individual. and are infringing that individuals Divinely given right by the very basic premise of her/him being born a human.

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  • Big Daddy
    May 3, 2012 - 6:26PM

    @What The:
    BOGUS VOTES BRO!
    And with that kind of money, you can actually buy everything material !!

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  • bilal hassan haq
    May 9, 2012 - 11:17PM

    @Super Pak:
    no doubt vulgarity is a great sin and a major problem of pakistan. people who are spreading vulgarity will get a severe punishment unless they sincerely repent to ALLAH, regarding vulgarity every muslim should fear ALLAH and try his or her best to eradicate this great evil from our society. IN SHA ALLAH.

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  • mani qadir
    May 15, 2012 - 5:29PM

    @fs: sir, I salute you ! You just made my day … And this article was epic !

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  • Ghassan Khan
    May 16, 2012 - 2:30AM

    They should put people like these to good use, like cleaning up streets or something…. Kya Safai nisf imaan nahi haay?

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  • Salman Hameed
    May 18, 2012 - 8:57PM

    @yajsingh I think JI is the most literate party in Pakistan. I personally know hundreds of Doctors, Engineers Scientist, Economist any many others.
    JI produced a huge talent in Pakistan. According to PILDAT Professor Khursheed Ahmed is most active parliamentarian in senate.

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  • Salman Hameed
    May 18, 2012 - 9:52PM

    @yajsingh PILDAT declared prof Khursheed Ahmad n prof Ibrahim as Most competent Senator of Pakistan in parliamentary activity

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