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Enough is enough: JI to observe 'anti-vulgarism' day
Mehanti says Friday will be a day against "culture of nudity and vulgarism".
Mohammad Hussain Mehanti says Friday will be a day against "culture of nudity and vulgarism". DESIGN: JAHANZAIB HAQUE
KARACHI: Jamaat e Islami (JI) announced in Karachi on Tuesday its plans to observe an ‘anti-vulgarism day’ on Friday.
JI Karachi Chief Muhammad Hussain Mahenti also appealed to people observe April 27, Friday as a day against the “culture of nudity and vulgarism”.
He said that individually and collectively, it was time to ponder whether the creation of Pakistan was based on Islamic ideology, with a pledge that only Islamic law would be imposed in the new country.
In a letter sent to prayer leaders, Mahenti claimed that the fast spreading “culture of nudity and vulgarism” had perturbed all Pakistanis, while the electronic media was still telecasting “immoral” plays and programmes in blatant violation of Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (PEMRA) rules.
Promotion of fast moving consumer items by presenting women in “erotic and semi-nude” advertisements, and easy access to pornographic material online despite Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) rules were matters that came under discussion.
Mahenti demanded that PTA should ensure complete blockage of pornographic websites in the country, while PEMRA should ensure complete compliance to its rules and regulations.
“The government should play its role for safeguarding our moral values” he said.
The JI has in the past voiced its opposition to celebrating events such as Valentines Day. Some of its members have also defaced billboards in various parts of the country.
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Why are the mullahs so obsessed with women’s bodies and the length of their clothes?
They didn’t hold protests against acid attacks on women, they don’t hold rallies against suicide terrorists killing our people but the one thing that has gotten them out on the streets is the clothes women wear.
The religious fascists can’t stand the fact that not all women are slaves to their wishes, they can’t tolerate women making decisions for themselves so they label their clothes as vulgar and obscene. The only thing vulgar and obscene is the mentality of maulvis and their supporters.
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@Arif Khan: For your kind information, Mehenti is not a Mullah – he is a qualified Chartered Accountant & a position holder through out his career…!!!
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Now the religious extremists want all women to feel ashamed of their bodies and to be ashamed of being female. What the religious fanatics want is total control over women’s bodies, they can’t stand strong, independent and intelligent women and it scares the life out of them that there are some women in pakistan who don’t surrender before the demands of the religious rightwing.
All this is, is an attempt to reassert man’s total control over a woman’s life, the mullahs want to dictate how women should dress, how they should talk and to whom can they talk and whether they should work or not. The ulema need to come out of their caveman mentality and give up this fixation of theirs with treating women as their personal slaves to order and boss around.Recommend
This is true that our entertainment media is going out of hand…I cant believe that I can see girl and boy hugging each other and other romantic scene in our serails today..is there any one bothered about this..this is totally non sense..The reason our dramas were more successful in 70 and 80 was not because of vulgarity..but because of there good quality and acting…there were relationships and romance in those dramas also but not to this cheap level..
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@Ali Khan:
Maulvi is not just a beard it is a state of mind.
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@Arif Khan
If some one is trying to do some good job then dont criticize them. Not every one can do all protest!
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I’m not a big fan of JI.. but this protest might bring some other parties to take stand against this vulgar culture.. and its not even OUR culture!! had we any dance performances in a mehndi (which itself is a Hindu tradition) a few years back?? I don’t think so.. but that’s what’s being portrayed on our channels (so called promoters of Pakistani culture)
I feel the same.. there has to be a check n balance.. the funny thing is movies like “Tere Bin Ladin” are banned and not the not-less-than-none-clothes-fashions shows IRRRONIC!!
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Don’t agree with JI on many accounts, but media seems to be without any code of ethics in Pakistan. Media should have moral courage to prepare and abide by code of ethics!
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Despite I am against JI on many issues but as been in this society and interaction with middle class and lower middle class, office working class, I am telling and predicting that JI will get great support in this stance even from those who are not agree with JI.
Those who understand psychology will not find it a rocket science, simple action-reaction principle.
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@Ali Khan:
So Chartered accountant cant be Mullah..?
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u all liberals are more rigid and more stubborn , bigoted and dumb in your thoughts .vulgarity is increasing in Pak and there must be some check and balance in this regard !
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Good step JI. Its about time. Please go ahead.
I was quite shocked to knwo that in cinemas uncensored version of titanic being played.
@Zeeshan Mir, i dont think most peopel have problem with independent confident women. The problem is nudity and vulgarism. Not necessarily a nude women is independent women. I have many firends who work and are confident and are independent but at the same time are modest and I have highest respect for them. And this goes for men too, vulgar men are unacceptable in our society too. JI should include them in agenda too.Recommend
Anti-terrorism day first. Next anti-poverty day. Next anti-corruption day. Next anti-drone day. Next anti-domestic violence day. Next anti-child abuse day. Next anti-obsolete curriculum day. After that it is okay to celebrate anti-vulgarity day. Not before that!
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first of all i would support the issue raised by JI, pakistani media has gone widely out of the ranges.
The content shown on the television is not only vulger but cheap to its maximum level,
Has someone ever watch the fashion tv pakistan or style 360, what the ramp walks are showing
The women wearing hardly any clothes they call it fashion. The major problem start from these kind of shows. Public is readily into this type of context and then theres are most of the time children under 14 years are watching which put a very wrong kind of image in their innocent minds.
The commercial shows on television
The otherday i was sitting with my 8years old brother when the touch ad plays on that innocent child asked me what is this ad regarding i dont understand
the only solution i found was to ignore him.
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Jamaat islami is take a good decision.this is the voice of whole country.media doesn’t represent our culture.
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Please hold anti-sectarian day or anti-terrorism day first.
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JI: How about anti-terrorism day for a change.
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@Arifa Khan … I guess they or anyone else don’t protest against Acid Burning and Terrorism because everyone KNOWS that is bad .. no point in convincing you.
While the issue about nudity is real and people like you don’t agree that it is bad … so they come out on streets just to show that Islamic spirit is still alive … because if they didn’t … today you’re semi-nude, tomorow you go full nude.
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@Zeeshan Mir: Now the religious extremists want all women to feel ashamed of their bodies and to be ashamed of being female. What the religious fanatics want is total control over women’s bodies, they can’t stand strong, independent and intelligent women and it scares the life out of them that there are some women in pakistan who don’t surrender before the demands of the religious rightwing.
What we don’t want is our women taking pride in acting advertisements like that. If you want to call semi nude women as “strong, independent and intelligent women” then kindly explain to me how does walking around half naked prove strength, independence and intelligence? confused
And yes, it scares the life out of MUSLIMS, (might not bother you) because Muslims believe that one day they have to answer in front of Allah about their sisters, daughters, wives, and Allah has forbidden women to dress like they do in these adverts. :)
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@Zeeshan Mir:
Being religious is not extremism, if u r not agree with the JI or other parties or groups like that thn go and see what is the teachings of Islam about women.Recommend
Funny how up till now, all comments have been from males. They are the one’s most interested in our bodies and how we dress and present ourselves? Females, take a hint: Taking off your clothes will only attract the kind of men that love to oogle, so don’t be vulgur and immodest. Stay Modest and covered, like a true gem :)
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It’s gonna be a good comic relief.
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@Dee Cee:
y dont u take initiative for the anti-drone, women abuse, child abuse etc if JI is doing a good job thn y u ppl dont appreciate it
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@Salim:
u r a Pakistani too, if JI is doing that, u shld do the anti-sectarian day etc
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@Salma Khan:
All this perverse emphasis on modesty is a cover for female misogyny. At the root of this mindset is the firm belief that female bodies are sinful and evil.
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Funny little pakistani liberals releasing their anguish here…as if they will ever achieve something here. Please dont respect a religious scholar by calling him a ‘mullah’. Stop stereotyping for God’s sake.
I am supportive of their good cause. If extremism has left wing, it has a right wing too. We need to stop both. This vulgarism and nudity is really taking over now.Recommend
Although i am against JI on many issues. But, this one is the right step from them. Our media have crossed almost every barrier of vulgarity just to gain TRP’s.
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we support all steps taken towards the elimination of vulgarity , obscenity .
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I work in a private organisation. I feel that our media do not truly represent our culture. still 95% of our women wear full clothes but our media always show women with half clothes. This is the issue because it looks like our media is promoting things which we do not do. Put aside the talks of full clothes or half clothes the point here is that our media is trying to force western culture in our society by showing these things which are still not part of our culture.
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How ’bout we hold an anti-violence day instead? An ‘anti-vulgarity’ day? Seriously? Haad ho thi hai yar!
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@arshad:
You should not assume that the whole country wants this. Speak for yourself.
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great step…we,youth of pakistan,appreciate ji’s campaign against vulgarity and immodesty…those liberal fascists who uses women as a toy for selling their products promoting nudity,vulgarism.,degrading women’s status are equivalent to those involved in acid attacks.Media should not be allowed to promote false image of our country ..Thanks to God parties like ji are there to stop and stand against them……ONCE AGAIN GREAT STEP JAMAT E ISLAMI……
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Independence of women can not be achieved with independence from cloth only. good decision by JI.
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why are JI supporters watching TV serials and fashion shows anyway? if you find it vulgar, stop watching it. modesty and vulgarity are all relative. some more conservative people wouldn’t want women on TV at all, still others would want to ban TV completely. the only solution is to apply your standards to your own life and stop trying to impose it on everyone else. cancel your cable/satellite subscription and spend your time doing something you find productive instead of finding shows to criticize for vulgarity.
by the way, your TV’s have power buttons and buttons to change channels, right? if so, change the channel or turn the TV off if it upsets you. A true Islamic society doesn’t develop from banning things, it comes from choosing not to do things you consider sins whether they are available or not.
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@Pakistani:
Molvi is a term used for Aalim, who has knowledge in the matters of deen. It has nothing to do with state of mind.
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@F K:
Sorry to say that you are miserably ignorant that the Qur’an requires us to encourage people to do what is good (Ma’ruf) and to discourage them from getting involved in things that are bad (Munkar). All good Muslims are required to discharge that obligation within their area of influence. We all have a certain group of people we can influence. The Almighty expects us to do amar bil ma’ruf and nahi anil munkar on them.
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a good initiative i guess, if displayed and protested in a disciplined manner, with all the logical arguments as are mentioned.. i dont know what ji will be dealing with this matter, but it has to be condemned..in any case whether there are issues of acid burns n violence or not.. there is no argument of not raising voice against vulgarity. women should stay within the premises prescribed by religion..its not like “sharam insan ki ankh me honi chahye”.. i wish one day in pakistan, like in iran, there are strict rules for women to at least cover their head and wear loose gowns that is maintain parda as the obligation is..
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The only REAL vulgarity going on is the brainwashing of young minds from their formative years, with a culture of EXTREME dogmatism being embedded in the populace that DOES NOT tolerate ANY critical thinking, free thought, and asking the most innocuous questions. These mullahs (bearded or not) with their quest for domination over women (often perpetrators as much as victims of misogyny) are the sharp of the stick in the war against reason.
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Great initiative, we are not mullah yet I support it, getting nude and naked is not civlization. Its as same as wearing leaves in old age stone. Wake up ! say NO TO Vulgarity
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@ Hairaan
If the injunction is to discourage bad behavior, you should be telling people to stop watching shows they find vulgar. As I said, vulgarity is different for different people. If you find something vulgar, don’t watch it. If you feel the need to preach, tell people who are interested in your opinion not to watch vulgar shows. These types of bans don’t accomplish anything. You can ban every TV show and TV channel you can think of and people will find another outlet for it.
As far as promoting good and discouraging evil, are you seriously telling me that you cannot find anything more important to discourage in Pakistan or Pakistani society than this? For a political party that has a huge platform (but no mandate) they should focus on things that affect people’s daily lives, not things that can easily be avoided if you truly want to avoid them. And I bring up their (nonexistent) mandate because I find it funny that JI and its supporters speak as if they speak for everyone in the country. Whats the basis for this? If they are a religious group, they should tell their followers not to do “bad” things. They have no authority to tell anyone else anything. This is all for show anyway to get their supporters riled up.
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Hmm Pakistan is islamic country so everyone should be forced to dress up according to islamic teachings, and then they claim minorities have every rights? but muslims wants all freedom be it in secular/western/islamic countries, where they even should have the right to wear hijab/niqaab, applying double standards?! Muslims and tolerance cant go together…
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I guess JI has nothing to do now a days and just to keep itself in the media they need some sort of a stupid intervention. Mehanti has come up with idea of Taliban style enforcement regime to create more evil than good. You mullahs, for God’s sake, keep the poor women alone, they already suffer a lot, day in, day out.
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@saeed: “our entertainment media is going out of hand…I can’t believe that I can see girl and boy hugging each other and other romantic scene in our serials today..Is there any one bothered about this…this is totally non sense…The reason our dramas were more successful in 70 and 80 was not because of vulgarity…but because of their good quality and acting…there were relationships and romance in those dramas also but not to this cheap level..”
The comment made me laugh, not only because of the many spelling and grammatical errors which have been corrected, but also because of the strange fear of this apparently rapidly spreading ‘vulgarity’.
We have now come to the point that an innocent embrace (and that mind you on a TV show, something which is being ACTED) is the height of vulgarity.
Soon, like in some Arab countries, in Pakistan women will be stopped from buying cucumbers and bananas because of their ‘vulgar’ connotations.
Married couples will fear to go out on their own in public in case someone starts harassing them for promoting obscenity and starts demanding their nikanama.
Yes, that is what we will come to. Do you want to know why? Because this nation thinks romance and hugs are vulgar, but rape, acid crimes, child marriages are not. Why was this vulgarity brigade when mukhtaran mai’s rapists were set free? Why don’t they speak of the ‘vulgarity’ and ‘culture of nudity’ which allows people to strip women and parade them in public? These people are just AFRAID of anything that they can’t beat into submission.
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Thanks to red mosque brigade, maya khan and all (vigil)aunties and uncles.
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to all those wanna-be liberals who argue that ‘mullahs’ think that woman’s body is a source of sin and evil need to revisit the hadith which says that women should cover up so as not to become a victim of savagery outside the walls of their homes…which clearly means that a man’s mindset is the root of evil and sin. by the way im a man myself!
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@Ali Khan:
If one acts like a Mullah he is a Mullah.
A lot of media anchors for instance are doctors by training but nothing stops them from acting as media person.
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@Bingo: Yes, I also hope that one day in Pakistan ALL MEN will need to conform to laws against staring, wear abayas, cover their heads and not leave their homes or drive cars.
It would also be nice if one day in Pakistan ALL MEN would be considered inferior and mistreated so they could get a taste of their own medicine.
Stop hiding your fears and prejudice and superiority complex under the garb of RELIGION. Religion asks for modesty, so what is so immodest about a normal shalwar kameez and dupatta?
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JI supported Hudood Law under which many girls were raped but could not get legal recourse and instead were sent to prison for failing to produce four “pious” witnesses. JI then pretends they are against vulgarity. What is more vulgar than a gang rape with victim being sent to prison? JI’s hypocrisy at its peak.
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To be honest, this is just a stunt on part of people that have a lot of free time on their hands.
I’m sorry to tell you this but Pakistan tops on internet search results on ‘Porn’. If they think they can change the whole public with such stunts, they are deeply mistaken.
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Good step JI. Its about time. Please go ahead.
I was quite shocked to knwo that in cinemas uncensored version of titanic being played.
@Zeeshan Mir, i dont think most peopel have problem with independent confident women. The problem is nudity and vulgarism. Not necessarily a nude women is independent women. I have many firends who work and are confident and are independent but at the same time are modest and I have highest respect for them. And this goes for men too, vulgar men are unacceptable in our society too. JI should include them in agenda too.
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@arshad:
“Jamaat islami is take a good decision.this is the voice of whole country.media doesn’t represent our culture. ” Can’t people see that JI secures 100% seats in all national elections and thus has every right to be called the “Voice of the People”?
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When will someone get up and say enough is enough of religious extremism, we want a pakistan where race colour or creed will not be a burden, when wil we have a Pakistan, where a muslim can go to his mosque and a non muslim to his temple and it has nothing to do with the business of the state. I dont remember who said this do any of you
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This party has never received any significant number of votes in any election but they want to blackmail the whole country with their vulgar interpretations of religion.
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@Pakistani in the UAE: Janab, thank you for your long distance leadership.
As for your “…but naked women are not empowered” argument.
— Who are you to decide that? Do women in Pakistan decide what kind of clothes men can wear? So why should you be privileged to decide what women can wear? :confused:
The answer is quite simple, let them decide. You have no business telling women what to do.
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I dont understand why morality ends on women for JI, where is morality on corruption, extremism, rule of law, target killings, nepotism, discrimination, poverty, harassment, rape, illiteracy, tribalism, feudalism, inequality, bonded labour. JI should stop this double standards and raise real issues, merely doing politics on petty issues will lead them nowhere. JI= PETTY PEOPLE PETTY POLITICS
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don’t we know in every protest, innocent people die, business suffer ,inconvience
for people .Goverment have to spend extra money and manpower to avoid any damage to state and private property. But For JI it is always a fun time.
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@shah:
If Pakistani youth are so pious then why is Google Trends putting Pakistan first in porn searches? Must be the elderly that are doing it then.
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well well well…i am happy the true face of pakis out…they can accept anything but when it comes to women even the liberls of pakistan backs JI….bravooooooo….hypocrites..
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Well Mr Hussain Mahenti, Pakistan was never formed on Islamic ideology it was formed because Muslim didn’t get their civil rights in India and hence Pakistan was formed. The ground realities are different, every boy/girl these days wear jeans or what not. So please stop selling your same old political ideology just cause you want to be in power. It would be better if you tell us how much tax did you pay on your personal income last year.
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@saeed:
I am sorry to inform you but THE WORLD has changed and we live in 2012 so might as well adapt and make the best out of it.
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@mudasar nawaz:
you can’t have checks and balance with protest and imposing. Once you start imposing people find a way around it. Perhaps if JI trully wants to change this culture instead of a protest they should TEACH TEACH and I repeat again TEACH people how to respect others or what not.
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@saad bin ahmad:
Those ramp walks are only suppose to sell clothes. It’s not their fault if the consumer/customer is unprofessional and perv. to the core and hence starts thinking the opposite way. So please next time you see such shows try to think of it as they sell clothes.
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@Mustafa Hanif:
Islamic spirit also calls for unity brotherhood…. we don’t even want to stop and ask how our neighbors’ are doing!!!! Islamic spirit calls for patience not protest :)
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And why didn’t the same Mullahs hold rallies against vulgarism and obscene language when “Dr.” Amir Liaquat Hussain’s video got leaked where the host and beloved “Bhai” of many was caught using abusive words while discussing about The Holy Prophet (Peace and Blessings Be Upon Him),Sunnah and Hadiths etc…as the same time?
They don’t mind going to his shows,but has got so much concern over other things.
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@Arif Khan:
Its nice to think moderately and discourage conservativeness but it should not be at the cost of mocking our religious believes. Women are free to choose anything for themselves provided that it is not something that goes beyond the definition of modesty.
I think your comments do have some valid objections to the religious sector of our society but their lacking should surely not be taken as their endorsement for any evil act that they may be unable to counter. Please bear in mind that painting them all here with the same brush will make you seem no less of an extremist for your own likings
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@Arif Khan:
Its nice to think moderately and discourage conservativeness but it should not be at the cost of mocking our religious believes. Women are free to choose anything for themselves provided that it is not something that goes beyond the definition of modesty.
I think your comments do have some valid objections to the religious sector of our society but their lacking should surely not be taken as their endorsement for any evil act that they may be unable to counter. Please bear in mind that painting them all here with the same brush will make you seem no less of an extremist for your own likings
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@F K:
Brother you are again mistaken. Vulgarity is not relative. Its absolute. Anything outside the limits set by Allah nad his Prophet (PBUH) is vulgar. It is not dependent on the person watching it. Rather the one exhibiting it.
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It’s quite evident in these comments that a vast majority of Pakistanis do support JI stance against vulgarism and those who are opposing it are just a small number of ignorant people who are almost non existent in the society we live in, all I can say is God bless you all.
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I totally support this campaign. May Allah bless all righteous people.
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Watching this comment thread makes me want to leave this country. What a bunch of oppressive bigots you all are! It’s such a simple argument that what you are calling “our culture” is your interpretation of it and why should anyone have to follow it! There are seriously much bigger issues and no one has the right to impose on women what they want to wear. Mind your own business JI. Please also remember that these were the same bigots that opposed the creation of Pakistan.
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Dear religious parties though its futile to say but learn to mind your own business
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What is vulgar culture? watching couples embracing each other in our TV serials and seeing Katrina Kaif on billboards suddenly becomes more obscene and worth a protest than women being forced to parade naked, get raped and then compelled to remain shut about it? How ridiculous can we get? How come there is not a single protest agianst widespread sexual abuse taking place in our madrassahs?
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Why are we discrediting the titles “Mullah” “Maulana” “Moalvee” “Haji” “Aalim”. These are the highest and most prestigious titles in a Muslim Ummah.
The comments I have read and the comments that I hear are really shameful and shows that how ignorant we are about our countries history and our rich Islamic history. We need to read we need to get educated.
The titles mentioned above were dishonored by the English Rule back in late 1800s. The same mentality is echoed 2 centuries later. Who is the loser now??
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@Pakistani:
is being Maulvi a TABOOO ?
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I support JI on this issue.
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A good step from JI……….Congratulation JI
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Quite true… this culture is being shoved down our throat. Can’t take it. Not only we should just vomit it out, we should also raise our hand saying “Enough!”
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@F K:
So why to ban the illegal Drugs and narcotics and why to ban the used syringes…Let them be available on the shops and in markets…those who Dont want these…simply dont buy it ? Right ?
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I will support them on this cause. Only on this cause mind you.
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EXHIBITIONISM is fast becoming a way of life in Pakistan – the land of the pure, and those who oppose exhibitionists are severely criticised by the so called champions of HUMANISM. There are categorical injunctions about the observance of Satr in Islamic jurisprudence. I wonder why do nt the propagators of modernism renounce Islam and let themselves fall into the ditch of Western ideas and ideals of life. They must pay no heed to the qualms of conscience.Recommend
The nude and vulgar culture being shown and promoted by media has never been part of our culture and religion as well. Even there are norms and codes in the non muslim societies. America is a conservative society (unlike Europe) and even the media there has limitations.
One has to admire this campaign by Jamaat Islami. We do not want the culture like many western societies where youngsters can be easily involved in adultery and many of teen age girls are forced to live as a single parent.
Media should understand it’s limits. Nudity and vulgarity has to be stopped now.
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@Arif Khan:
brother i can understand you want to see entertainment but dont want to spend money at all . people who want to see women in half clothes as it fill their apetite ,but it increases their hunger and after seeing half naked HER they wish to see them total nude.
So brother speak sane , think about womens of our own blood .
Don’t jump to oppose anything blindly.
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@Umer:
It’s the directive of Quran to stop Vulgarity and Nudity. So Do Not Follow Mullah, But Follow Quran Pls.
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@Sindhi:
In a civilised society, what is considered a sin by the religions of the country are not necessarily considered a crime. Otherwise, many Muslims would have been found guilty in India for slaughtering animals. Get real!
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@Dee Cee:
No Anti-Terrorist day until they are openly accepted and allowed to spread their propaganda on mass media …
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Very Well JI. However I would like to ask Mehanti Sahab to answer two question in tomorrow’s easy-to-gather type just after the Farz Namaz of juma Prayer rallies,
Why your Nazim did not make a firm policy of advertisements on the Billboards of Karachi since they come under the domain of CDGK?
During your time of Government in Karachi the menace of cable network was in its initial stages why you did not check it then?
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Women rights activists all around the world protest against women being used as sex objects in movies, dramas and advertisements. I cannot understand how “liberals” of our country can support such selling tactics. JI has taken the right action as only respecting women as a human (and not sex objects) can restore their dignity. And once their dignity is restored then no one can dare to throw acid on them, batter them etc.
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Just another attempt by JI to come out of irrelevance and grab a few headlines.
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@Ajmal:
Jazakallah brother for the wise and logical reasoning.
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@Abdul Rahman:
The steamy scene in Titanic is not considered by western protesting women as women being treated as sex objects. Making love is not sexual exploitation of women. It is not degrading but patronising to women. The western liberal women protest against pornography and unrealistic beauty standards. They do not protest against women running marathons in shorts or movies where men and women make love! Get real! People do not have to agree with Islamic values. You have to learn to be tolerant to those who do not live their lives or make moral decisions according to the Quran.
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@zeeba:
Way to go Zeeba. We need more women like you out there to tell the mullahs that women are free thinking independent and capable of making their own decisions on morality and choice of clothes…..and even love.
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“To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy.”
Fight against theocracy!
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guys while i agree that extreemist Mullahism is bad but the fact is that things have gotten a little too vulgar lately, and if it really was about freedom of thought it would have done us some good, which it has clearly not so i believe a little moderation in that regard would do us good. i dont know what JI is about but our religeon did not command women to cover their bodies , while also ordering men to lwoer their gaze, to make them feel bad about their bodies. Showing skin will not really help women gain any honour if that were the case western women would not be going through rape and abuse. Our culture is in contradiction with our religeous values which in turn causes mass confusion with people choosing opposite poles.
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@All those who are arguing that…no one is forcing you to watch vulgarity:
If some-one is making love to his/her spouse in front of your home and you come-out to stop them because your children can witness such non-sense…….in return they replyno one is forcing you or your children to watch vulgarity……while making comments do not forget every society has it’s limits which should be respected…….
Media-owners are just making money without considering limits or ethics of this society…..
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I don’t get it. What is wrong with anyone be against ‘Vulgarism’? So those who are writing out negative comments here are for men/women to do whatever on TV or there should be some bottomlines defined? How low are we willing to go? What open society has to do with nudity and vulgarism?
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It may interest our moral brigade to know that the three countries at the top of the list of hits on pornographic websites are Pakistan, Iran and our dear saudi brothers! (not necessarily in this order). Moral of the story? Suppression of natural desires to intermingle, associate with the opposite sex and have healthy relationships converts people into obsessive voyeurs or much worse. As many others have pointed out there are much, much more pressing and serious issues that beckon us for action. However for the maulanas and many others with a self righteous middle class morality WOMEN are the ultimate sinful issue, unless of course they are one of “our four”.
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I endorse JI stance but may also remind them that vulgarity is not the greatest of the poblems being faced by people today. They are without electricity, prices have gone out of the ceiling and there is insecurity all around. Please adress these issues too.
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@Vigilant:
I am not talking about public display of affection. I am referring to my choice of turning the television on in the privacy of my home and subscribing to an uncensored version of Titanic and being able to download movies as per my choice. Public display of billboards should be free from adult-themed advertisement as they are viewable by the general public.
In the same note, women jogging with shorts on is not vulgar nor are women wearing jeans and t-shirts in this day and age. Women can choose to be associated with culture that Pakistanis find foreign Recommend
@Jesus Ram Allah:
so mullahs cant be right on any issue? moderate muslims need some space to breath.ultramodern attack their culture through media, extremists attack through guns. i have nothing to do with JI but I just dont want to see ads and news from bollywood right after seeing my brothers killed in different incidents in my country, typical of news channels! Maybe we have forgotten respect. n when they give news from bollywood, they show the most vulgar clips. Vulgarity is not about freedom. While freedom is necessary and empowers women vulgarity is less relevant, disrespectful, idiotic and reduces the status of women.
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Terrorism, bombings, murders, kidnappings, breakdown of law and order, and our mullahs think “vulgarity” is the most pressing issue? what planet do they live on?
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@imad:
mullahs can be right on their view on religion and their interpretation. but they have no legal role that makes their views or interpretations binding on the general public. the general public have every right to not follow the edicts of Islam.
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@Mulheed:
The constitution of this country protects the Islamic values and thereby is binding on every citizen to act in line with it. You’re so naive to not know how far you’re free to make choices.
No government whether with a full mandate or otherwise will be ever able to legalise alcohol or fornication through any constitutional amendment.
I suggest that you migrate to a non-muslim land where you can spend a ‘do what you want’ kind of ghetto life. Certainly not in this country in a million years.
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From all the comments a clear message is conveyed to liberals and media houses that. leave JI issue a part, people of Pakistan is against this vulgarity and nudity increasing in Pakistani media and request to be moderate otherwise indirectly they are strengthening the Islamist or conservative forces. Its simple action-reaction phenomena
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The obsession with sex and women in the minds of mullahs is the real immorality. If these Mullahs wish to remain relevant to the 21st Century they need to be fighting for justice and education – not for political power.
The teachings of the Last Prophet pbuh taught us to develop ourselves and engage people not hand our lives over to the closest bearded guy!
Mohammed Abbasi
Co-Director
Association of British Muslims est 1889
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May Allah bless the forces of truth and evilous idiots are destined to be bashed ;).
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Reading through comments one can sense that there is a true divide in our community, I am just hoping people learn to develop patience.
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@s shah:
Dear shah sahib if you announce rallies against terrorism, bombings, murders, kidnappings, breakdown of law and order and we all mullahs would be with you. Don’t worry.
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@Sam:
It is sad that you call this goosd. I knom M Hussain Mehenti for long time he wasnt like that before but gradually with time and with political motivations he is becoming fundamentalist, sad but true that Pakistan is slowly turning to more intollerant than the Arab countries.
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@Arif Khan:
I can express my joy after reading your post -it is absolutely brilliant to know people like you do exist in out country and actually these people are vocal as well.. kepp it up friend, let such comments comign in!!
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@Muhammed Usama Aziz:
no friend Maulvi and Aalim is not the same!
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@Nadeem Malik:
It is a fact that people still do pretty much as they please in Pakistan be it alcohol or sex.
I personally do not eat meat/poultry/fish or any other animal products such as dairy or eggs. i do not consume alcohol. I do not smoke, and I do not take drugs. I do not gamble and I certainly do not fornicate or commit adultery. I am happily married to one woman.
I do this all because of decisions I have made based on science, research and personal preferences and not because of any belief in gods or religions.
If a girl wants to jog she can wear shorts. If she wants to swim she can wear a swimsuit or bikinis. However, it is not appropriate to wear bikinis or shorts when going to school or work. That is the norm in most civilised societies. But mullahs cannot see the difference.
According to the constitution I am not obliged to follow Islamic laws, agree with them or believe in Islam. The parliament, however, is governed by such in their law-making.
Speaking of ghettos, you really should go out more and see the plight of the cities of Pakistan.
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How about anti mullah day for liberals? simply stupid mullahs
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@faraz: every Pakistani is paying tV charges on his/her electricity bill, so having right to get benefit from this box accordingly, and nobody can hurt him/ her by playing disgusting gestures by any mean! what about billboards? No driver, pedistrian is safe from these ugly scene? what is the solution? media is the mirror of the society! is this depicted on media correctly?
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@RRS:Ji is fighting on all sectors
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@Pakistani:
If one percent non-muslim population does not want like that so be it but the majority muslims like that coz Allah swt said so and we have to obey it.
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@Mikek:
You can pray if you want. You can fast if you want. Is anyone stopping you? You can wear a beard if you want too, but that does not give you the right to force others to wear a beard too or pray or fast. Same thing with women. Not all Muslims agree that hijab or veil is as per Islamic law. Many feel that modest dress, a dupatta covering the bosom and rejection of make-up and jewellery is more ethical than head gear or veil.
What the Jamaat should be protesting against is any nudity on public display that may be inappropriate for children – but that does not happen in the western influence areas of Pakistanio society. It happens in traditional jirga gatherings women are forced to parade naked in public.
It is this public display of nudity and insult to women that the Jamaat should really be looking into and protesting.
Otherwise, even the Muslim caliphs had no jurisdiction to peer or look into private homes to see what is happening inside. Leave my cable, cinemas, sports/marathon events and internet alone, mullahs! You have no jurisdiction over secular life.
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Good job JI!!!
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@all
If our region rejected its own culture and religion and replaced it with what came from the west, then we can do it again. Just like we rejected our own language, culture and creed and adopted the dictates of the Arabs hundreds of years ago, so can young boys and girls today reject the culture and creed and language we borrowed from the west (Arabia/Persia) and replace it with the culture/lack of creed of North America and Europe. There is no moral or ethical argument that the mullahs can give against that.
Our own culture has very little to do with the culture we adopted from the Arabs and Persians. So mullahs who are ranting about the new generation adopting a foreign culture should realize that their own creed and culture and ideology is foreign to our region.
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Well if you have a “Dirty Mind” you will see dirty or ‘Vulgar’ things in everything.
All these boards/hoardings that are up don’t bother me or anyone I know but that maybe because I am not looking at them with the intensity and apparently lustful gaze that JI is? Maybe there life’s would be less stressful if they just loosened up, chilled out and stopped trying to be the morality police for everyone when its plain for anyone to see that comments and actions like theirs pretty much show that they are the only ones who are troubled by ‘Vulgar’ thoughts when they look up at billboards.
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Not A JI Fan but yes vulgarism can be avoided while maintaining product sales and quality of drama serials
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I totally agree with JI on this stance, media is taking money from US (which is proven) and spreading things which will only destroy our society.
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Ali Khan: I am not sure if a Chartered accountant cannot become a mullah, mullah is not a degree awarded by a varsity but it is a school of thought that you gain by interpreting religion as per your accord.
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After this stance I am considering voting for JI in the next elections.
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Independence of women can not be achieved with independence from cloth only. good decision by JI.
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JI is posturing for forthcoming election. These mullas have nothing to offer to solve the grave problems the country is facing because they are the part of the problem, so what they do; they divert the attention towards pretty issues.
JI is very fond of celebrating YUMS. Remember when army operation was in planning stage/ partially underway in then East Pakistan ,JI was celebrating YUM e SHUKAT e ISLAM.
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@mulheed: good analysis. I agree.
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My apology for typo. In the third line pretty issues should be read petty issues.
thanks
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@F K:
Because a true muslim cares more about his muslim brothers and sisters. Switching off the tv will be self-serving.
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I am simply surprised at the ignorant posts and ranting of the liberals.
These people are forgetting that JI led a rally against corruption / load shedding in Peshawer and a suicide attack occurred on the rally which killed a lot of JI workers along with a few of their top representatives.
These people do not forget Al Khidmat Foundation, which has numerous welfare projects in Kashmir / Hazara region. These people are more democratic than any other party of Pakistan, including MQM. Tell me, where is Qazi Hussain Ahmad now? He was not elected to lead his party and therefore doesn’t show any more appearances.
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And yeah, Mehenti is a Chartered Accountant, just like the liberal’s hero Salman Taseer.
Qazi Hussain Ahmad has a Masters degree in Pharmacology, Prof. Khursheed Shah is a specialist of economics. They just don’t do propaganda like the LOTA MQM that rants about having the most educated people on their side.
Just because the JI guys wear Shalwar Kameez and have beards doesn’t make them uneducated and naive to the current situation. Their part is the most organized party in Pakistan (yes, more organized than MQM). It is the only political party that has official involvement in numerous welfare projects including education, health, relief camps, water supplies etc.
I will vote for Imran Khan but my donations for relief camps and ‘QURBANI KI KHALEIN’ will always go to JI.
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Good Step, at least someone came to an issue which is eating our roots,
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When will we celebrate ‘Anti-Corruption day’???
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