India not serious about Kashmir settlement: APHC

Published: April 14, 2012

All Parties Hurriyat Conference chairman says India has never been serious in resolving Kashmir issue. PHOTO: AFP/ FILE

ISLAMABAD: All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC) Chairman Mirwaiz Umar Farooq has deplored that India has never been serious in resolving the Kashmir dispute in accordance with the Kashmiris’ aspirations.     

The APHC chairman was reacting to the recent assertion of Indian Foreign Secretary Ranjan Mathai about Kashmir borders.

Mathai in an interview in New Delhi had said that India will be happy to start talks towards a deal to keep Kashmir’s borders as they are, but allow greater trade and movement of people across the Line of Control, Kashmir Media Service reported.

Farooq, addressing a gathering in Srinagar, said that the statement showed intransigent approach of New Delhi on Kashmir.

Veteran Kashmiri Hurriyat leader Syed Ali Gilani, in his reaction, said that India had no right to issue such unrealistic statements. He maintained that Mathai’s statement was the reflection of New Delhi’s traditional policy. However, he said that such assertions would not change the ground situation and the facts about the Kashmir dispute.

Senior APHC leader Shabbir Ahmad Shah, addressing in Srinagar a meeting of the activists of his party Jammu and Kashmir Democratic Freedom Party, said that the Kashmir dispute was the main impediment in the way of ensuring permanent peace in South Asia and friendly relations between Pakistan and India.

He stressed on the involvement of genuine Kashmiri leadership in the dialogue process to make it meaningful and result-oriented.

Another APHC leader Nayeem Ahmad Khan, addressing a public gathering at Watergam in Baramulla warned the Kashmiri people of the conspiracies being hatched by India to suppress their ongoing liberation movement.

In Islamabad, Kashmiri Hurriyat leaders in a meeting with the Member of British House of Lords, Lord Nazir Ahmad, discussed the latest human rights situation in occupied Kashmir and stressed the need for more effectively projecting the Kashmir dispute at all international forums.

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Reader Comments (91)

  • khalsa
    Apr 14, 2012 - 10:15PM

    no serious about the solution you want

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  • Babloo
    Apr 14, 2012 - 10:19PM

    Good to see all Kashmiri politicians, including those that oppose India, being able to publicly hold rallies where ever they want, whenever they want and freely express their political opinion without any fear.
    its that freedom of expression and political activity that’s key to India’s success as a democratic country that has withstood all seperatist or political movements and grown stronger as a country over time.

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  • Syed Ali Zia Jaffery
    Apr 14, 2012 - 10:27PM

    @khalsa:

    India is a synthetic hegemon and aspires to be a veritable, but cannot.

    India is not serious about anything; they are trying tooth and nail to materialize their cold start; amass weapons and build-up the nukes

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  • Syed Ali Zia Jaffery
    Apr 14, 2012 - 10:32PM

    @Babloo:

    Will the vociferous demands have any bearings on the recalcitrant indians? no

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  • Thoughtful
    Apr 14, 2012 - 10:36PM

    There is a choice tomake. Accept the LOC Or ruin one more generation of young Kashmiri lives.

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  • Babloo
    Apr 14, 2012 - 10:44PM

    @Syed, there are equal number of Kashmiris, who are pro-India, from National Conference of Farooq Abdullah to the PDP and many other parties. All kashmiris are free to stand for elections and become CM with real powers and full control over police. In the free and fair elections held in Kashmir over last 10 years, about 65% of the electorate has voted. Thats a high number compared to even rest of India ! The judiciary too is free and independent in Jammu and kashmir. My point is , as long as India allows full freedom of political expression, religion, language etc there is no rational basis for any separatist movement . In J&K, for last few years, we are seeing un-precedented peace as there has been reduction in flow of foreign mercenaries into Kashmir.

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  • Syed Ali Zia Jaffery
    Apr 14, 2012 - 10:48PM

    @Babloo:
    You support a hiccup free political process fair enough

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  • Rajendra Kalkhande
    Apr 14, 2012 - 10:48PM

    Dear Mr Mirwaiz Umar Farooq its Kashmiri aspirations vs entire India’s aspirations. We will never let it happen, come what may. Kashmir is an integral and sacred part of India and will remain so. Guys like you can move over to Pakistan if you so wish. Days of pampering people like you are over now. Even under very adverse conditions we fought for Kashmir and there is simply no way now that we Indians will heed to your nonsense.

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  • Syed Ali Zia Jaffery
    Apr 14, 2012 - 10:54PM

    @Rajendra Kalkhande:

    Hold on, integral part of India

    hogwash to say the least

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  • Syed Ali Zia Jaffery
    Apr 14, 2012 - 10:56PM

    @Rajendra Kalkhande:
    Who has given you this certificate

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  • Apr 14, 2012 - 10:57PM

    India has never been serious about resolving Kashmir. It has stationed more than 700,000 of its troops in Kashmir. Add the police and intelligence agencies.. That’s around 1 million against the people of Kashmir.

    Kashmiris demand freedom from militarization, draconian black laws and unabated human rights atrocities against common Kashmiris. This would pave the way for Kashmir’s right to self determination.

    More than 5000 youth have been jailed since two years. Even today there was news of 16 Kashmiris being questioned on their posts in facebook.

    We live in a beautiful prison.

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  • true_blue_pakistani
    Apr 14, 2012 - 10:58PM

    Am sick of Kashmir Kashmir… I dont want spend anymore of my life on Kashmir.Recommend

  • Syed Ali Zia Jaffery
    Apr 14, 2012 - 11:01PM

    @Rajendra Kalkhande:

    hold a plebiscite

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  • ashok
    Apr 14, 2012 - 11:02PM

    Mirwaiz,

    Are you serious?

    What Pakistan didn’t get in 4 wars or you did not get in 1990s when Pakistan infiltrated dangerously armed “Jehadis” to create mayhem, you did not get anything, what makes you think that a rising country of 1.25 billion would blink NOW when things are under complete control and most of Kashmiris busy collecting fruits of growth and development?

    Wake up and smell the coffee which is blended with Hindu-Muslim unity.

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  • Syed Ali Zia Jaffery
    Apr 14, 2012 - 11:04PM

    @Kashmiri:
    and it’s all because of the elephant; a synthetic hegemon india

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  • farooq
    Apr 14, 2012 - 11:04PM

    kashmir has and will always remain part of india whether u like it or not mr. mirwaiz.

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  • Syed Ali Zia Jaffery
    Apr 14, 2012 - 11:12PM

    @farooq:
    why and on what pretext

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  • Apr 14, 2012 - 11:13PM

    Kashmir has been a Hindu kingdom since times immemorial. Just because people have converted to another religion and it has been ethnically cleansed with the Kashmiri Hindu pandits having been thrown out of their state, you cannot demand a separate state. For example if in the USA, if in a particular state all the people have converted to say Hinduism and ask for a separate state would the Americans go along with the story? You can see what has been happening in Srilanka. The tamils [who are Hindus] are asking for a separate homeland; are the Srilankans obliging? I have known kashmiri Hindus in India and the UK pining for their homeland. It’s high time they got their rights back and the govt of India is helping them relocate. Of course, Kashmir is an integral part of India. Whoever has a doubt about it is fooling themselves.

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  • Babloo
    Apr 14, 2012 - 11:16PM

    What’s happening in Kashmir is that India has worked to remove any basis for grieviences of the majority of the population in Kashmir. It has given them all democratic rights. It has given them full freedom of religion and worked hard to preserve the culture and ethnic composition of Kashmir. Indians from other part of India are not allowed to buy property in Kashmir. Kashmir Muslims now make greater percentage of the population of the valley than they did in 1947 or during the rule of the king or British India. most kashmiri Hindus have fled from the valley and settled in Jammu or rest of India. Overwhelming majority of Jammu of Jammu and Kashmir is hard-core pro-India. A very significant section of Kashmiri muslims, including shia parties, also support India. Of course there will always be a vociferous section, thats inspired by religion and no amount of ‘azadi’ in a multi-religious democracy is going to satisfy them. India is not concerned about that fringe element represented by the likes of Mr Geelani. India’s goal is to give full freedom of religion, lanugage, political expression and free and democratic elections in Kashmir and the rest will take care of itself. That policy , has met lot of success, so far.

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  • Syed Ali Zia Jaffery
    Apr 14, 2012 - 11:24PM

    @Dr Priyanka:

    Who are you indians to claim right on a muslim majority area; your comments are grotesque and baseless

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  • Babloo
    Apr 14, 2012 - 11:24PM

    The mainstream pro-India Kashmiri muslim parties of National Conference , founded by the lion of Kashmir, Sheikh Abdullah and Peoples Democratic Party ( PDP ) of Mr Mufti etc are enough to politically counter the separatists. India just needs to provide security for all so that militants do not intimidate and kill pro-India Kashmiri Muslim leaders. In Kashmir conflict , a great price has been paid by pro-India Kashmiri Muslims who have been targetted by seperatist militants. There is a reason why the separatists dont stand for free and fair elections in J&K. That’s because they fear losing and getting exposed.

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  • farooq
    Apr 14, 2012 - 11:31PM

    @Syed Ali Zia Jaffery: i’m muslim and proud indian dont bring religion because equal number muslims live here in india if not more.

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  • nako murad baloch
    Apr 14, 2012 - 11:33PM

    @Babloo: what about 30,000 missing from india side of accupied kashmir.i saw on internet how Indian solder doing to young kid’s.stop betting the drum of free speech all b/c.

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  • Mohammad Ali Siddiqui
    Apr 14, 2012 - 11:33PM

    I think that Pakistan and India both can sit together across the table and reach to an amicable conclusion on Kashmir issue, provided if the Kashmiris who are the main stakeholders in the dispute will allow Pakistan and India to do that.

    The problem is going on for the last 65 years and hundreds of thousands of Kashmiris have been killed in the occupied Jammu and Kashmir.

    The Kashmiris should make their agenda and send it to Government of Pakistan and India simultaneously as what do they want in clear cut terms.

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  • Apr 14, 2012 - 11:35PM

    The Indian Nationalist Trolls will follow.

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  • G. Din
    Apr 14, 2012 - 11:48PM

    @Syed Ali Zia Jaffery:
    “@farooq:
    why and on what pretext”

    Sheikh Abdullah spoke for Kashmiris and Kashmiris agreed and did not oppose him for 42 years. There is no pretext here. It is a reality! UN understands that. The world understands that. As far as we are concerned you can continue to moan and groan “Kashmir”, it is never going to be dropped in your lap.
    As far as Mirwaiz goes, be assured India is serious about solving Kashmir problem. It will be solved when the illegally occupied will join the rest of Kashmir. You do not represent the wishes of Kashmiris. If you had allowed them to vote for you by standing in an election, you would have known that. But, you don’t want to do that because that is hard work compared to living an easy life in a water-front property without any visible source of income, isn’t it?

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  • Babloo
    Apr 14, 2012 - 11:56PM

    To under Kashmiri separatists, you have to know that even the most extremist of them, like Syed Geelani, collects a monthly pension from the government of India. His medical care is paid for by government of India. He leads a lavish life while exhorting others to do jihad against the government of india.

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  • Sajjad Ali
    Apr 15, 2012 - 12:01AM

    Kashmir issue has gifted Pakistan fanaticism and militancy. We need a stable and peaceful Pakistan first.

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  • Zoro
    Apr 15, 2012 - 12:16AM

    Mr Fai has done a great damage to kashmir cause …when it was proved in US court of law that he was in fact a Pakistani / ISI agent …
    That man is not even a doctor as he proclaims… he is a cheat …

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  • Apr 15, 2012 - 12:23AM

    @Mohammad Ali Siddiqui:
    you’ve lost the plot;abhi dilli door hai! Nobody dictates to India!

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  • Ali wali
    Apr 15, 2012 - 12:36AM

    Kashmiri leaders should book an appointment with a mental health doctor, do not they read any Pakistani news, at the moment Pakistan is worst country to visit let alone join permanently.

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  • hyderabadi
    Apr 15, 2012 - 1:01AM

    @Syed Ali Zia Jaffery:
    to hold one Pak needs to vacate Kashmir as per the FIRST condition in the UN reaolution

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  • Basit
    Apr 15, 2012 - 1:13AM

    @Babloo:
    You have no choice but to allow rallies or have you forgotten the protests by Kashmiris against Indian rule?

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  • Raven
    Apr 15, 2012 - 1:18AM

    India does not need to do anything. Important thing for India is to avoid an all out war against Pakistan for atleast another 10 years (I was glad that India did not go to war after Mumbai attacks)- trust me after 10 years the difference between pakistan and India will be so huge that an overt war will not be thinkable (from pakistani side). India must continue status quo- talks, confidence building measures etc etc- do not loose sight of continue to keep growth rate around 7% for next 10 years and keep steady military modernization.
    Pakistan has to be annihilated as an ideology and economy- trust me majority Indians understand it and are support it. Only way for Pakistan or rather only chance for pakistan to avoid this decimation is continue democracy and all out economic development- India should make every effort to deny that.

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  • Jahangir Ahmad
    Apr 15, 2012 - 1:23AM

    Mir Waeez Umer Farooq has finally realized that India is not serious to resolve Kashmir dispute.

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  • Rajendra Kalkhande
    Apr 15, 2012 - 1:23AM

    @Syed Ali Zia Jaffery and all others like him : Forget about Kashmir, India has been sitting even at Siachen heights for last 28 years. There is no human population involved in Siachen. Our sitting in Siachen should be an indication enough for Pakistan and all others how seriously we take every inch of our country. We won’t back out even if there is an all out nuclear war. Hindus had been humiliated by Muslim invaders for a centuries. Buddhism left behind by Ashoka the great was the curse for India. Don’t forget, present day Pakistan was our land and we still have many emotions attached with it. Any tampering with Kashmir will be at the cost of Pakistan.

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  • Sky
    Apr 15, 2012 - 1:40AM

    @Dr Priyanka:

    Dr. Priyanka.

    Agree with your argument but please realize that Pakistan was made in the same context. The majority of a region who had previously converted from one religion to another asking for a separate state. Against all odds Pakistan has risen, to the surprise of many. Against the conspiracies of foes both inside and outside. It is a nation of vibrant 180 million strategically located. Once the war on terror abates and hopefully militant and military free democracy comes in . We will rise further and Inshallah kashmir one day will be part of Pakistan.

    Dr. Khan.

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  • Indian
    Apr 15, 2012 - 1:45AM

    @Syed Ali Zia Jaffery: dude india is the third largest muslim majority in the world.. Kashmir is not about religion .. so don’t bring muslim/hindu in picture. It’s about people of kashmir and their aspiration

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  • Indian
    Apr 15, 2012 - 1:48AM

    @nako murad baloch: well that’s happening in Gilgit baltistan and azad kashmir !! They don’t have freedom .. they have no representation in govt. the people are living like slaves of military establishment and islamabad.Recommend

  • Kataria
    Apr 15, 2012 - 2:46AM

    Indian trolls out in full force.

    @ priyanka, i don’t know if playing the religious card from a thousand years ago goes well with the official indian narrative. It supports the theory that india is holding onto Kashmir for the sake of hindutva politics rather than the universal rights of freedom and democracy, which are sorely lacking in IOK.

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  • Sikander
    Apr 15, 2012 - 3:17AM

    It is impossible to “get rid” of the greivances when the greivance is that india is forcibly and brutally occupying Kashmir. Pro-freedom activists such as Mirwaiz represent the voices of the Kashmiris. That is where there strength comes from and they have an obligation to the people of Kashmir in matters of freedom and justice. India, however, is not interested in the voices of kashmir, but rather its circular and faulty logic.

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  • Jamshed
    Apr 15, 2012 - 3:22AM

    The belligerent stance of indians is on full display. From threats to baseless rhetoric. Asserting falsities in the face of facts will not do. It’s obvious that holding onto Kashmir is part of Hindutva politics.

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  • Bailey
    Apr 15, 2012 - 3:28AM

    The best way to ascertain the wishes of the Kashmiri people is by giving them what they want: their right of self-determination.

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  • same-old
    Apr 15, 2012 - 3:33AM

    ‘India has 700,000 soldiers stationed in Kashmir’ – A simple explanation – that is where bulk of the pakistan based terrorists are causing death and destruction.Recommend

  • Ravish
    Apr 15, 2012 - 3:33AM

    India will not cede an inch in Kashmir, rest of India is pretty united in that stand, across all religions and regions. The only practical solution that can actually happen is declaring the LoC an international border.

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  • Chanchal
    Apr 15, 2012 - 3:50AM

    Its high time the Indian government learns from China and does a Xinjiang and Tibet in Kashmir, if they really believe Kashmir to be an entegral part of India.

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  • Verboten
    Apr 15, 2012 - 3:58AM

    The game is realpolitik. World opinion matters. Pakistan’s pov is not popular in general, and no one is interested in enlarging Pakistan. Rather, there is talk of splitting Pakistan. Recommend

  • Deepwater
    Apr 15, 2012 - 4:46AM

    These separatist leaders should realize that there is precisely zero support in the world for separating Kashmir from India. Not in the US, not in Europe, Russia or China for that matter. The latter two know that they will be opening a can of worms with regards their own ethnic minorities. Besides, China has Tibet to consider. Pakistan which, until not too long ago, would bring up Kashmir in every international forum, has realized the futility of doing so and is much more muted in that regard.

    Without support of the major powers there is zero chance of anything drastic happening with regards Kashmir. The world has no appetite for an “Alpine Afghanistan” nor will consider integrating it with another dismal experiment from the past which is today’s Pakistan. You can raise all the slogans that you want, these are the bare facts.

    These separatist movements should adopt a pragmatic approach, turn themselves into political parties and work within the constitutional structure of both countries. Borders cannot be eliminated but the flow of people can be eased. These leaders should stop wasting the lives of those who believe in them.

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  • Nirode Mohanty
    Apr 15, 2012 - 4:51AM

    There are 5 million Muslims live in Kashmir Valley, which has been instigated by Pakistani ISI to be separated from India for at least since 1979. But 150 million Muslims live in India with much freedom and dignity like Hindus, Christians, and Sikhs. If 150 millions do not feel uncomfortable in India why then 5 million want to be separated. only because in that area they are a majority. This is the weakest and saddest part of the Muslim religion that they cannot live with other religious people. Kashmiris have more freedom, dignity, and prosperity than people in Baluchistan, Sindh, and NWFP. If not, can they have self determination?
    It is time for the APHPC think of welfare of people, not politics. They should not forget about Dr.Nabi Fai. It is also time for the ISI not to think of the dead issue Kashmir. but to spend money on education, health, and energy

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  • khan
    Apr 15, 2012 - 5:31AM

    @Syed:
    Dude, get a cold drink and chill out. 80% of kashmiris give a damn about joining pakistan. And if you harp about UN, you will be at loss, as UN mandates resolution to happen in 1947 undivided kashmir. That means, Pakistan must hand over occupied territories to India and must rehabilitate, over 10 million hindu pandits back. Is pakistan willing to do this? If not, then let us not show our ignorance in public forums and make world laugh at us jokers. We have lost pakistan fighting for stupid causes because of people like these.

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  • Rizwan
    Apr 15, 2012 - 5:51AM

    @farooq:
    In your dreams! Keep dreaming, like Bollywood!!

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  • Rizwan
    Apr 15, 2012 - 5:57AM

    TO INDIANS: Simply hold a plebiscite in Both Azad and Indian occupied Kashmir and let the Kashmiris decide about their future!!!! But I challenge you are never going to do that, bcoz you know you will be badly kicked out of your occupied Kashmir if that happens!!

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  • Rohit Sen
    Apr 15, 2012 - 6:09AM

    How can India do a plebiscite? Whole of J&K is not in it’s control. Also has a plebiscite been done in Kashmir under Pakistan control? Maybe practice what you preach?

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  • Apr 15, 2012 - 6:15AM

    @truebluepakistani:
    Then get out of Pakistan. Kashmir is a part of Pakistan. Its a jugular vien as per our Quid Mohammad Ali Jinnah. You cannot be a true Pakistani, probably a hindu in disguise.

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  • Apr 15, 2012 - 6:24AM

    Indians no matter whatever you say, it does not matter. The reality of Kashmir is still there. Dont make this kashmir issue as an ego matter. It matters of thousands of Kashmirs. They have the right to live according to your wishes. By not giving right of freedom what Indians are gaining. The Indians cannot buy property there neither live peacefully in Kashmir. Remember this all Indians Kashmir will become Pakistan if not sooner than later.

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  • Pollack
    Apr 15, 2012 - 6:31AM

    The strategic importance of Kashmir to India dwarfs the fools dream of people like mirwaiz. We already have enough trouble with one Islamic Pakistan in the region. One more religion based Pakistan like state will cause too much strife.

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  • Arjun
    Apr 15, 2012 - 6:48AM

    The Indian people were given a choice. Time and again they’ve decided that Kashmir is a part of India.
    Reality… It’s whats for dinner.

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  • j&K
    Apr 15, 2012 - 6:54AM

    @Babloo if equal number of kashmiris is pro india,then why is india so reluctant to hold refrendum on that issue as per stated by UN resolution.your comments are nothing but plain lies whole world know that kashmir is world’s most militirized area on this earth where more than 700000 indian troops have been committing inhuman crimes since last sixty two years and the puppet CM has no power even to speak about indian military.

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  • Andrew Hutton
    Apr 15, 2012 - 7:02AM

    The views expressed by the APHC chairman Mirwaiz Umar Farooq are nothing new. Isolated from and having lost his following amongst the Kashmiris, Mr. Farooq is making a desperate attempt to revive the “cause” of Kashmir, knowing well that the majority of Kashmiris are realistic enough to recognize that India will never let go of Kashmir. Besides, most Kashmiris are disenchanted and completely frustrated with the Pakistanis whose intentions about Kashmir is not to support the cause but to merely use it to justify the existence of their huge army and, also, to use it as a raison d’etre for the very existence of their state which is, generally, viewed as a failed state. Kashmiris have also participated in the free elections held in the state under the Indian constitution, a privilege seldom granted to the Kashmiris on what is touted as “liberated Kashmir” (Azad Kashmir). Unlike the openness that one sees in the India-administered Kashmir, where protests and demonstrations are allowed, there is no transparency in the Pakistani-controlled Kashmir. Finally, most Kashmiris, if not given the opportunity to create an independent state, are increasingly realizing that they are not living so badly in the Indian framework while their brethren in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir have little or no means to assert their political emancipation. Polls conducted by several independent — and non-Indian — institutions confirm this. Mr. Farooq would do well to read these and come to terms with the ground realities in Kashmir.

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  • Dr.A.K.Tewari
    Apr 15, 2012 - 7:19AM

    Mirwaiz is being projected by Pak apex court by allowing him to be the party in the memogate case , In the same way India should project Bloch leaders and can extend them moral support .
    Forget Kashmir or be ready to get fragmented soon if we started to follow the tit for tat policy .

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  • Maha
    Apr 15, 2012 - 7:20AM

    Because india’s self-definition depends on trying to subjugate the Kashmiri people.

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  • Kashmiri Pandit
    Apr 15, 2012 - 8:34AM

    We Pandits settled in Kashmir much, much before the Muslims came. Our history dates back to over 2000 years. Muslims came much later. India will never give up either PoK or Indian Kashmir for this very reasons. References to Kashmir is there in every ancient scripture in India. APHC do not have any right to decide anything regarding Kashmir.

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  • Tony Singh
    Apr 15, 2012 - 9:30AM

    @Syed Ali Zia Jaffery:
    Yes it is integral part of India. For you its hogwash . For us its reality. It will not be dismembered just because you say so. Now we shall concentrate on freeing Baluchistan and Sindhudesh from clutches of Pakistani Punjabis.

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  • Truthbetold
    Apr 15, 2012 - 9:35AM

    @Babloo:

    “there are equal number of Kashmiris, who are pro-India, from National Conference of Farooq Abdullah to the PDP and many other parties.”

    Actually, the separatists form a small minority. In Indian Kashmir, Muslims form 60% of the whole population of about 8 million. Of the 60% Muslims, one third are Shia leaving Sunnis at 40% of the total population. None of the non-Muslims or the Shia want to join Pakistan and are quite happy being part of India. Of the Sunnis, only one fifth are separatists which means that the separatists, while being very vocal, only represent about 8% of the total population of J&K. It is this small 8% radical Sunnis, most of whom are controlled by Pakistan, are the ones demanding separation from India.

    Let’s also not forget that people of Gilgit-Baltistan/ Northern areas under Pakistani control are mostly Shia who do not want to be part of Pakistan. Since 1974, when Bhutto abrogated the State Subject Rule that prohibited non natives from settling in G-B, Pakistan has tried to change the demographics there by settling Pakistani Sunnis. This has led to serious sectarian clashes there ever since. See:

    http://skardu.blogspot.com/2012/03/manzoor-parwana-speaking-on-state.html ,

    http://www.viewpointonline.net/gilgit-baltistan-paradise-on-fire.html#_edn13

    http://www.gilgitbaltistan.us/

    http://www.balawaristan.net/

    So, the Kashmir issue is not that simple. The Pakistani establishment has spread misinformation to the Pakistanis that Kashmiris want to join Pakistan. Why would any sane Kashmiri who is not a radical Islamist want to join Pakistan? Pakistan has been wasting its resources and energies on Kashmir while the truth is that a vast majority of the Kashmiris have no interest, at least in the past decade or so, to join Pakistan.

    On a bigger picture, the world community, in spite of Pakistan’s vigorous lobbying over the years, can’t understand why 4 million Muslims of Kashmir can’t coexist in a secular democratic country where there are 170 million Muslims!

    If Indians are wise, they will promptly agree to hold the plebiscite which offers only India or Pakistan as the choice. It is higly unlikely that, based on my anlayis above, Kashmiris would choose Pakistan.

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  • Ahmer Ali
    Apr 15, 2012 - 10:09AM

    @Bailey:
    You are absolutely and precisely true.I agree with you 1000% on your this stance to resolve Kashmir issue on priority basis as soon as possible.

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  • Ahmer Ali
    Apr 15, 2012 - 10:12AM

    If India is sincere and honest to resolve Kashmir issue amicably then the Kashmir issue would have been resolved till now and more and more time and money on talks and fashion shows on Kashmir issue would never be wasted.

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  • mr. righty rightist
    Apr 15, 2012 - 10:12AM

    Nobody can deny this – Kashmir is what has resulted in the downward journey of Pakistan.

    So, since India can never give an inch of Kashmir, the disintegration of Pakistan seems certain. As long as Pakistan keeps chanting Kashmir mantra, their death is certain.

    India need not have to fire a single bullet. Because Pakistan is on a suicide mission.

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  • unbeliever
    Apr 15, 2012 - 10:26AM

    i just do not understand one thing:
    when that K word finds mention why indians get on defensive and the pakistanis on offensive.

    afterall, if anyone is encroacher, it’s pakistanis. they have encroached upon a third of kashmir. so it must be them who should justify why are they continuing their hold over kashmir.

    infact the recent sectarian conflict in GB should be a moment when indian govt. should formally lodge a complaint in un as to how the pakistani govt is trying to alter the demography of GB, in order to place puppets in the region. the shias of gb come under indian claimed kashmir so india should allow them a chance to migrate to indian side, if their life is in danger.

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  • let there be peace
    Apr 15, 2012 - 10:34AM

    I’m serious about resolving Kashmir issue.
    - by re-uniting Pakistan occupied Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan which are legally part of Indian union.
    Rest all is internal issue between Indian government and Indian citizens in the state of Jammu and Kashmir. Outsiders don’t need to meddle.

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  • Syed Ali Zia Jaffery
    Apr 15, 2012 - 10:57AM

    @let there be peace:
    I think you ashould stop this recalcitrant and preponderent attitude. India has no legitimate right on this valley so stay put

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  • Aquarian Truths
    Apr 15, 2012 - 12:46PM

    Does anyone take APHC seriously even in Kashmir? People who feed on alms thrown by ISI masters should not batter too much, we have enough comedy on television already.

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  • Shyam
    Apr 15, 2012 - 12:56PM

    @Syed Ali Zia Jaffery

    I think you ashould stop this recalcitrant and preponderent attitude. India has no legitimate right on this valley so stay put

    Thats what you think!!! Who cares what you think! Lol

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  • let there be peace
    Apr 15, 2012 - 12:59PM

    @Dr Priyanka:
    please do not compare Sri lankan issue with Kashmir.
    firstly srilankan Tamils were nor seeking a religion based state.
    secondly Sri lankan Tamils don’t claim to be foreigners, they claim to be original inhabitants.
    thirdly Sri lankan Tamils demand was initially only for equal civil rights after the majority in srilanka enacted Nazi Germany style apartheid laws in gross violation of basic human rights. even now they are only asking for a separate state within north eastern part with some autonomy.
    fourthly except for one organization i.e. LTTE it was not a violent movement. LTTE started violence very late and is now finished. so it is now irrelevant.

    On the other hand the Kashmir separatism (only in a part of the state among a section of people of certain sect of a certain religion, with foreign funding ) can be simply described in one phrase – ‘violent Jihad’ or ‘first part of Ghazwa e Hind’ . Rest all is hogwash and propaganda.

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  • let there be peace
    Apr 15, 2012 - 1:53PM

    @Syed Ali Zia Jaffery:
    the problem here sir is our differing worldview.
    For you everything must be seen through religious i.e. Islamic glasses.
    For me as an Indian religion is a personal matter and everyone has right to practice/not practice, preach/criticise any religion but always respecting the other person as a human being.

    as an Indian I know the land between himalayas and Indian ocean is holy motherland not just now but since begining of civilization. whatever form of government- mythological Mahabharata empire, mauryan empire, Mughal-Rajput coalition empire, british Indian empire, various other empires and kingdoms or modern Indian Union of states organized to comfortably fit into modern concept of nationalism, this land was always a distinct entity and people in this land always were always free to move and live anywhere.
    everyhing else may be your local issue but when it comes to sanctity and integrity of motherland, every Indian has a right to be worried. no one has right to tell me ‘it has nothing to do with you so stay put.’

    so depending on our viewpoints while you accuse me of having recalcitrant and
    preponderent attitude; I think the valley Islamic Separatists (im reluctant to call them ‘Kashmiri’ because Kashmir is a distinct Indian entity and separatists reject Indian identity.) have recalcitrant and preponderent attitude.
    In your viewpoint may be one valley in huge south asia is somehow a separate nation that by some logic belongs in arabia or Persia or Uzbekistan, from my point of view it is integral part of India.

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  • let there be peace
    Apr 15, 2012 - 2:57PM

    @Kashmiri:

    -freedom from militarization – fair enough
    -freedom from draconian black laws – fair enough
    -freedom from any human rights atrocities – fair enough
    ———–All the above demands are just, and a right of any Indian.

    -separatism – no chance. not till India exists. No country on earth allows separatism.

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  • Yash
    Apr 15, 2012 - 4:52PM

    ET no publish my comment…me gussa :(

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  • r p
    Apr 15, 2012 - 5:17PM

    Kashmir is dead issue..we have no choice to as early declare LOC as international border and sleep peacfully ..pakistan has advantage over it

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  • Babloo
    Apr 15, 2012 - 5:22PM

    @truthbetold,
    Your analysis is largely right about Indian Kashmir and India would win a plesbicite THERE. However, the so called plesbicite is suppose to include PoK too and the demographics there have been changed by large number of Pakistani punjabis settling there. Anyway, as far as India is concerned , the document of accession to India and its ratification by J&K assembly and demograic changes with passage of time and jihadi militancy have rendered any legitimacy to plesbicite null and void. The intolerant ideology of the extrimists renders any claim of them to a democratic process farcical.

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  • usmanx
    Apr 15, 2012 - 7:26PM

    wait a minute! i thought kashmiris loved india??

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  • Dayhati
    Apr 16, 2012 - 12:27AM

    All the analysis in the world would not help in the resolution until Pakistan’s leadership gets serious and talks serious and all that requires a Spine!! The current leadership is not demonstrating that! If it means holding a plebesite, then so be it . . .let the people of Kashmir decide their future and not the overwhelming Indian army with all its force trying to suppress the will of the people for so many decades. Let people of Kashmir decide their own future . . .it is their God given human right and allow it to be done peacefully and humanely!!
    The result will be good for both Pakistan and India.

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  • kamal
    Apr 16, 2012 - 12:40AM

    @Syed Ali Zia Jaffery,who need your certificate??It seems your very found of plebiscite,why do’nt you do it in Balochistan?

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  • Freeman
    Apr 16, 2012 - 1:05AM

    @Babloo: You know what happened after the rallies????

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  • Gaurav
    Apr 16, 2012 - 9:36AM

    why Pakistan first attacked independent Kashmir in 1948? Now with security concerns due to Pak-China nexus in POK , India cannot afford to loose Kashmir.

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  • indian troll
    Apr 16, 2012 - 3:20PM

    @khan:
    “10 million hindu pandits” where did you get that number from ? Recommend

  • Nimo
    Apr 16, 2012 - 6:19PM

    Some points about Kashmir:

    Kashmir acceded to India in 1947. So as per international law, India has full and final “ownership” of the territory of Kashmir.

    The UN resolution was an illegal one since Nehru did not have the required authority from India’s parliament to go to UN. Moreover, it has lapsed since it could not be implemented in 1948.

    The residents of Kashmir have the right of self determination and representation of a state in a free democratic republic of India.

    For those who do not wish to be part of India, their only choice remains to migrate out of India. They have no claim over any territory since residency does not amount to ownership under any international law. Ownership arises out of title of property which India has. So, a plebiscite is of no relevance.

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  • Dr.A.K.Tewari
    Apr 16, 2012 - 7:37PM

    Mr.Khan , Your remark on Nimo’s findings is awaited .

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  • tomas smith
    Apr 16, 2012 - 7:53PM

    @Syed Ali Zia Jaffery:
    read your history~ever heard of Lord Mountbatton

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  • Kashmirian
    Apr 17, 2012 - 4:05PM

    @Ravish:

    We will break your rest of india into pieces, then the problem will be solved for ever.

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  • Kashmirian
    Apr 17, 2012 - 6:18PM

    @Kashmiri Pandit:

    You hindus are not native to kashmir, your ancestors came from india proper and settled in shina speaking land of kashmir valley, you hindus impured the shina language of kashmir into what is modern kashmiri/kausher language that is a distorted form of shina.

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  • Girish
    Apr 17, 2012 - 6:36PM

    @Kashmirian:
    Pundits are the descendants of indo-aryans who have lived in Kashmir for over 4000 years. It is the Muslims in Kashmir who are migrants to Kashmir in the last 300 years. You should check your facts before posting!!!!

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  • Hindustan Ki Shakti
    May 14, 2012 - 2:16PM

    Thats true. Jammu & Kashmir is among the states of India. Rather it is privileged to be getting more facilities than other states.

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