Pak-US ties: PTI rejects PCNS resolution, demands another review

Published: April 13, 2012

Condemning PCNS resolution, PTI demands government review Pak-US ties. PHOTO: EXPRESS/ FILE

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) on Friday demanded the government to review its decision regarding Pakistan-US relations, condemning the unanimous passage of the Parliamentary Committee of National Security’s (PCNS) resolution by the parliament.

Citing it as yet another example of the ‘muq muqa’ politics practised by Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI-F) chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Pakistan Muslim League – Nawaz (PML- N), PTI Chairman Imran Khan asked, “Of what benefit will this resolution be to the people of Pakistan who have seen over 40,000 of their fellow citizens dead in this US-led ‘war on terror’ as well as faced the loss of $50b in the last four years and seen Foreign Direct Investment dry up?”

Khan, in his statement, also demanded to know what had happened to the principle of “give peace a chance” which was the central part of the All Parties Conference’s (APC) Resolution passed unanimously by all the mainstream political parties of the country.

He reiterated that this new resolution was merely a continuation of making Pakistan play a mercenary role for the US and only the price for this had been jacked up. However, the money that would come would go into the hands of a few and would be of no benefit to the country, he added.

Khan further pointed out that it would cause more harm with an increase in terrorism again, more militancy, greater polarisation within the country and more economic destabilisation.

“The farce of reviving the Nato supply route for non-lethal goods will sustain the US war in Afghanistan as all Nato supplies are for their military’s sustenance and war effort against Afghanistan… PTI would not accept any restoration of Nato supply routes through the country as any supply going to Nato forces keeps the war prolonged as it supports the war effort. It is not simply a matter of money. It is a matter of extricating Pakistan from this war which is not Pakistan’s war at all and which has aggravated terrorism in Pakistan,” said the statement.

Khan said that it was “pathetic” to see Rehman playing his “usual game of simply upping his purchase price by declaring that his party would never allow any Nato supply route to be opened and then whimpering out and accepting the PCNS draft resolution”.

“The same was true of the N-League which made strong statements against Nato supply route and the US footprint in Pakistan including drones through Chaudhry Nisar and then submitted to the government’s will!”

Khan felt it was ironic that all these dubious compromises are made in the name of “national interest” when in fact they actually undermine the same.

Khan also pointed out the “shameful” manner in which the resolution asked for the US to review its drone policy rather than stating that Pakistan will not accept any attack on its territory.

Khan concluded by regretting how the parliament was being made to legitimise the Musharraf era by debilitating the Pakistan-US relationship rather than seeking to actually restructure the nature of the relationship.

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Reader Comments (97)

  • Apr 13, 2012 - 5:53PM

    Imran playing dirty politics

    I knew he will start whining when the policy will be finalized and passed by parliament, why u were silent when they were asking for demands and suggestions?? who made u silent at that time?

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  • amm
    Apr 13, 2012 - 5:57PM

    The son of soil speaks up. Rest are part of political circus and partner in crime.

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  • Abu Bakr Hamza
    Apr 13, 2012 - 5:58PM

    It is not the USA that is the problem, it is the Saudi backed Wahabi Salafi mindset tat is responsible for the death of 40 000 Pakistanis.

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  • Apr 13, 2012 - 6:04PM

    Instead of telling the nation about consequences of resumption or stoppage of supplies he is just playing with the sentiments of public and making fool of them, No difference between PTI and other parties

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  • Sameer Awan
    Apr 13, 2012 - 6:04PM

    PTI Policy is simple and that is We reject everything. Had we ever thought of consequences of waging direct confrontation with America?. We neither have Oil nor resources to sustain ourselves. We live on American money and we then give them a shut up call.

    Also i ask PTI to comment on Osama Raid Issue. If Americans intrude into Pakistan illegally then we say it is against our Soveriginity But when Osama is found in Pakistan then why we are simply mum on that issue.
    If America have evaded our Sovereignty then these Terrorists who are living here and came from other lands is against our sovereignty as well. I would not blame America solely but i will blame everyone coming here on my soil as an uninvited guests as an attack on my Sovereignty. We should end this Hypocricy of just American bashing and should think objectively.

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  • faraz
    Apr 13, 2012 - 6:05PM

    As long as Afghan Taliban are in FATA and Baluchistan, we can come out of this war. Its a simple case of geographic compulsion. You cannot stop NATO supply lines, and do nothing about Afghan Taliban residing in our territory. And our army doesn’t have the capacity to kick Taliban out, or take US head on. We have no option but to wait for US withdrawal

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  • Apr 13, 2012 - 6:14PM

    PTI have no agenda for the welfare of nation, if they had they would have presented before the public on this matter of grave concern, Imran would u like to tell us how stopping NATO supplies is the solution of getting out of this war on terrorism/Afghan conflict. although i m also against the resumption of supplies but the point is no one is guiding the nation and nobody knows how to deal with it even the army does not know it

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  • Abdul Qayyum Bhatti
    Apr 13, 2012 - 6:18PM

    Yes agree with Mr. Khan that this is another example of ‘muq muqa’ politics. But is lacking at the part of Mr. Khan is that what will be the strategy of PTI to encounter this ‘muq muqa’. Will they stop the NATO supply as DPC roared to? or will the PTI turn her back to the issue by focusing on their ongoing membership campaign? We have to wait to see the answers.

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  • Dr shahid Baig
    Apr 13, 2012 - 6:23PM

    Imran Khan statement reflects his immaturity in political statements. He has to learn a lot about international politics and how to be good mature statesmans. He is just playing with emotionality of innocent people.

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  • alicia
    Apr 13, 2012 - 6:23PM

    Lets see…….will it make a difference? Obviously not

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  • Anonymous
    Apr 13, 2012 - 6:26PM

    imran can turn pak into a regional superpower in 15 years time big change is about to hit pak it will be cataclysmic corrupt elements will be drowned by this huge tsunami that will strike pak very soon tighten your belts its comingRecommend

  • Uza Syed
    Apr 13, 2012 - 6:31PM

    It can’t get any crazier—–but that’s what you get from someone with a crazy agenda like this good-for-nothing-khan. It’s time that he and his brand of politics is rubbished and people reject him and his useless bunch.

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  • Democrat
    Apr 13, 2012 - 6:32PM

    @Pakistan politics. the whole world knows about his policies on this nato and drones and this war of terror… i wonder who was asking for suggestions? as far as i know, the members of this committee were even not allowed to consult their own parties as per Ishaq Dar statement…

    @Abu bakr… the same wahabbi mindset through which the USA fought with USSR? the same wahabi mindset with which the USA is compelled to hold dialogues and now they have officially said that taliban are not our enemy!

    @Sameer… which american money? in 64 years they have given 34 billion dollars…and in just 4 years we have lost 50 billion dollars due to their war…plus the 40000 of our people… so who is living on whose money and who is at loss? we are better without this so called aid… thank you…

    @faraz…if you have followed IK policies you would know that he openly declared that there should be no sort of terrorism from our soil and that should be the only concern of the world including india or USA or whatever, the afghan taliban and the USA can fight with each other in afghanistan or wherever they like but Pak will not be a party to their war,,,, and that includes either helping nato supplies or US forces or helping taliban…

    but if you all intellectuals have any better solutions please bring it on… everybody in the world, including USA is at loss… nobody knows the ultimate objective of this war and we dont know when it is going to end and how do we win a war without an enemy as USA has killed Osama and taliban are not their enemy so what is the war about?Recommend

  • Democrat
    Apr 13, 2012 - 6:38PM

    @pakistan politics…

    you aren ot pasting your mob number so how will ik and pti contact you personally? as you otherwise refuse to read any policy statement any talk show any jalsa of pti …

    it is very simple… since the nato supplies are stopped, look the level of suicide bombings and taliban related terrorism… so there is an obvious relationship between the two…

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  • Ammad Malik
    Apr 13, 2012 - 6:38PM

    first you boycott the election, then you reject a unanimously approved resolution of the parliament and then make demands from the government? This is not a PS3 game. Recommend

  • TRUTH
    Apr 13, 2012 - 6:40PM

    @Pakistani Politics: So you agree that NATO supply should be opened, so that they can kill more people as long as we are save./p>Recommend

  • MarkH
    Apr 13, 2012 - 6:41PM

    I can’t even find the motivation to be detailed anymore. That guy is just a joke.

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  • Democrat
    Apr 13, 2012 - 6:42PM

    @dr. baig and uza said…

    yes so the people are happy with the mature zardaris and sharifs hm? good…best of luck… the most illogical thing in the world is this… instead of criticizing and holding accountable those who are responsible, the so-called liberals just wait for anything from PTI and start criticizing as if theis war has been started by PTI..come on..grow up…nobody can stop PTI this time…even if the total status quo forces, the media included, combine against PTI… the people of pakistan have decided that enough is enough… the planes to Jeddah and UK are ready to take the luggage of some VVIPs…

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  • Pakistani
    Apr 13, 2012 - 6:46PM

    @Pakistan politics: U really think they (the government) wanted genuine demands and suggestions when formulating the policy?? You and I both know….. the result was pre-decided and only the process was formulated ;-)

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  • mindless
    Apr 13, 2012 - 6:55PM

    @To All my friends who are posting comments.
    1- This is not an immature politics of PTI, but a fair demand by a sovereign nation for its territorial integrity.
    2- We can stand up against NATO,USA as one nation if we want to, or If main stream politicians stop bowing down to American demands.
    3- PML-N, MQM, PPP say one thing in media but on foreign visits they are begging, which is clear cut from media coverage of West and USA.
    4- Has any one of us seen any compensation for Drone strikes which may have taken valuable targets but cost civilian deaths.Not to my knowledge.

    I recall Tribune was the one media which reflected the land scam and land grasping of Mulana Fazul rehaman few months back. How i can trust Mulana and his statements.

    It was Tribune which quoted and reported about Student refused to take his scholarship award from Last American ambassador in protest to FATA drone strikes killing civilians.

    So much been done, but our top leadership is not willing to take the action. If one guy (PTI) is taking a stand we should support him at least morally.

    None the less we wont make a joke from our sovereignty, integrity and freedom as independent nation. On comparison to US Aid we need remittances and FDI to stand up economically and start up new projects in our blessed land.

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  • Apr 13, 2012 - 6:56PM

    @TRUTH:
    u didnt read my comments i think
    @all others:
    he was supposed to be taking stand publicly not in TV talk shows

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  • Apr 13, 2012 - 6:57PM

    @Pakistani:
    so thats the reason why IK kept his mouth shut at that time??

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  • Pakistani 2
    Apr 13, 2012 - 6:57PM

    People here are commenting as if the present government that includes PPP, PML-N(in Punjab), MQM, JUI, ANP, PML-Q and others has been a roaring success. The people are satisfied and the country is going in the direction in which it should go right?

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  • Apr 13, 2012 - 7:00PM

    @Democrat:
    o really, do we have trusted allies in the world, not even Chinese are gonna support us if we stop the supply line of 48 countries. i thought in suicide bombings and killings established networks of foreign agencies are involved , these fanatics are not acting on their own there strings are being pulled from somewhere else. Terrorism form within the Pakistan can not be eradicated by stopping the supplies

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  • Azmat
    Apr 13, 2012 - 7:03PM

    Imran Khan is right but rejecting everything blindly is not senseble. PTI should give an alternative plan to the problem. If they reject this, they should present a policy to public, and i hope it will help to boost PTI reputation. Otherwise the rivals will exploit them that this party rejects everything without giving solutions. So we will wait for a written policy on Nato Supplies on their website and they should also issue press release regarding the issue.

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  • alicia
    Apr 13, 2012 - 7:04PM

    I really think Imran khan should read this government manifesto. Its actually not that objectionable.
    In order to secure Nato supplies USA has to stop drones, stop intelligence activity in PK etc. and the supply line will not transfer weapons. Isn’t that what Khan wanted all along?

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  • Apr 13, 2012 - 7:08PM

    @all above:
    Imran khan and his blind followers need to learn some international politics and inter. relations. we can’t afford to confront with United States, by making move against the 48 countries with such a poor strategy as u trolls suggest we will get isolated in the international community, meanwhile Russians offering US supply routes and Saudis backing US when Chinese banks got themselves separated from Iran-Pak gas pipline funding on the direction of Chinese.

    Do u trolls realy think we will be successful? we need to find a path to follow from which we can save oursalves, confrontation is not the solution at all

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  • reasonable
    Apr 13, 2012 - 7:11PM

    @Democrat:
    All That US is asking is to close Taliban bases in Pakistan and not to allow non state actors to operate from soil of Pakistan if you could do that you can close down the NATO supplies and the drone strikes will also stop there would be no reason for the drones to operate in Pakistan. and world would be at peace

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  • Aarvey,india
    Apr 13, 2012 - 7:14PM

    @Sameer Awan: Sameer…very rational thinking.why don’t more of your fellow countrymen think alike, leaving aside emotions. I was just reading an article on Serbia and they were bombed heavily by NATO during the milosovic rule. Look at serbia now. They have been accepted into the EU and are heading to prosperity. Americans are not interested in confrontation with them and neither are NATO. why can’t Pakistan be a normal country and think on the same lines? Things will not change externally for your country till you have people with guns threatening the world and also your fellow countrymen. And we honestly wish this changes.

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  • Sohail
    Apr 13, 2012 - 7:20PM

    Agree with Democrat

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  • Awais
    Apr 13, 2012 - 7:21PM

    @Abu Bakr Hamza:

    The comments like these makes you no better than a mullah of one sect delivering hate speeches about a masjid next door of another sect.. Get a life and educate yourself!

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  • faraz
    Apr 13, 2012 - 7:35PM

    @Democrat

    That’s the root cause of our ills – we don’t have the ability to control the groups operating in our land. Furthermore, the Durand line is porous, and cannot be sealed no matter what we do. So Imran’s suggestion is theoretically correct that we won’t allow our land to be used as base for insurgents, but that’s practically impossible

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  • Democrat
    Apr 13, 2012 - 7:36PM

    @Pakistan politics:
    now this is the problem of the so-called liberals…you cannot listen to anyone else opinion for 5minutes… anybody who does not agree with you as a troll…

    we sided with the USA and the so called 48 countries..i dont know which these 48 countries are…but for the last 10 years we are their allies..what we got? we tried that and now we should try the alternative… i dont think we can get any worse than the present…

    and what do you call taking stands publicly? should he distribute laptops in university or go to some death anniversary to take stand publicly? come on… in every jalsa he has this stand..but if you refuse to attend or see the coverage then where can he take the stand publicly?

    and for your information, the so called 48 countries are trying to pull out from this meaningless war..it is only the USA which will drag it till the election in december and will run away after that… we saw the USA aid during the soviet war and we will get the same treatment this time…

    we are all trolls and you are pure wisdom..so please enlist any 10 benefits that we are having in this war? i can enlist 100 bad things that we are facing today are purely due to this war…

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  • bangash
    Apr 13, 2012 - 7:43PM

    This is disrespect to democracy.

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  • Thoughtful
    Apr 13, 2012 - 7:47PM

    Welll done you! The playboy has learnt politics. He has no new ideas just rejectionism which is the mood of the people. So let the people decide. The establishments whipping up anti amrika hysteria has borne fruit. Actually agree on some of his stances just not on his pandering to the islamic fundoos.

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  • Cautious
    Apr 13, 2012 - 7:48PM

    Maybe Khan can explain exactly how things got better in Pakistan when the NATO supply line was stopped and you effectively abandoned the war on terror? Pakistan is a violent as ever with the militants showing no sign of abandoning their attacks on Pakistan – your economy is in ruin – your international reputation has fallen – and otherwise things are no better. It’s easy to pander to the public opinion that the USA are the bad guys – but pandering won’t solve the problems of Pakistan.

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  • mindless
    Apr 13, 2012 - 7:55PM

    @Pakistani Politics

    First of all you should not use abusive language to press your point, do you comprehend the meaning of Troll in slang British English. If not i can email to your blog. You should apologize to all readers for such remarks

    My personnel protest to Tribune that they letting such comments appear on such forum without censor and control.

    For your remarks, here is what you should consider. For international politics and diplomacy, if we say no to USA, NATO for supply route no body can force us to reopen, apart US will start using the aid money against us as pressure tactics. Second under UN charter this supply route given to NATO and USA is purely Pakistan internal matter. US does not want to stand accused for internal mingling of domestic affairs.On UN platform Pakistan can appeal or register a protest in Security council.

    There is group of diplomats, politicians which just play one card that Pakistan can not survive without AID money which is so untrue. Go to SBP website read our exports , just expand ur exports find new markets, get preferential status from EU and China, you can replicate the AID money or may be more.

    Problem is political corruption, EU gave money for fishery industry gone, no audit and they closed the door, same from China, same from Brazil, same from Russia.

    For Russians attitude toward Pakistan read RT, or nowe Gazzette. Open your eyes we wont isolate ourself, it is a mere conclusion of your tunnel vision which is largely based on paranoia and self assumptions.

    Thanks. Waiting for your apology.

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  • ali
    Apr 13, 2012 - 8:08PM

    70 percent of our exports go to US and NATO countries, and he thinks they will keep buying our low quality products even if we permanently close their supply lines. This genius is as clueless as a common man on the street

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  • True Muslim Paki
    Apr 13, 2012 - 8:10PM

    @Cautious First lets Ask anyone the question, from Rawalpindi to Khyber? & The answers:
    A) Whose war is this War on Terror (WOT)? **Not Ours**B) Why our economy is in ruin. **WOT** C) Are Drones Good? **No** D) Should pakistan implement Shariat? **Yes** E) Should we be more Pious **Yes** F) What
    s the difference in Ideology of PTI & DPC? None. Except that PTI also has Ending Corruption in its manifesto G) Should Pakistan be a Islamic State? Yes

    If Democracy is whats it is in Pakistan, and if majority of Pakistanis want the above, what the problem? Why complain?

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  • ali
    Apr 13, 2012 - 8:10PM

    @mindless

    Do you know whats the link between EU and NATO?

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  • Aamer Khawaja
    Apr 13, 2012 - 8:17PM

    @mindless:
    In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: “That was an excellent troll you posted”.

    How much more abusive can you get Pakistani politics?? Dont you know the youngsters with IK are so young, that they’re scared of the dark, & Recommend

  • Gilgiti-No voting right but Proud Pakistani
    Apr 13, 2012 - 8:19PM

    Imran Khan the loyal and brave leader of Pakistan. We nee a leader like you in international community.

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  • Gilgiti-No voting right but Proud Pakistanigi
    Apr 13, 2012 - 8:20PM

    The loyal and brave leader of Pakistan. We nee a leader like you in international community.

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  • mindless
    Apr 13, 2012 - 8:23PM

    @ali:
    I live in EU and i definitely know what is the difference in EU and NATO. NATO and ISAF in Afghanistan is comprised of EU member states which have a very steady say to trade policies.

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  • mindless
    Apr 13, 2012 - 8:26PM

    @Aamer Khawaja:

    Well you just google ‘d that and pasted on the wall. What so abusive in my comments that it class as TROLL. What i asked from Pakistani Politics is to apologies being abusive.

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  • ali
    Apr 13, 2012 - 8:43PM

    @mindless

    You said in your comment:

    “if we say no to USA, NATO for supply route no body can force us to reopen,”

    Later you said:

    ” Go to SBP website read our exports , just expand ur exports find new markets, get preferential status from EU and China,”

    I mean why would the same countries, whose supply line has been blocked by us, give us preferential status and keep buying our products?

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  • lobe
    Apr 13, 2012 - 8:46PM

    Only big speeches no action to back them, most of his ideas are akin to day dreaming.

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  • Noor
    Apr 13, 2012 - 9:10PM

    another muq muqa

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  • Aamer Khawaja
    Apr 13, 2012 - 9:17PM

    @mindless:
    Yes i have googled that, i didnt come up with the meaning myself, surprise!
    & btw nowhere in the meaning of a troll it says that a troll is someone who uses abusive language, btw you were the one pointing out the abusive language by pakistan politicsRecommend

  • dv sikka
    Apr 13, 2012 - 9:57PM

    Imran does not realise the significance of American aid.

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  • Aftab Kenneth Wilson
    Apr 13, 2012 - 10:16PM

    I think IK wants vote at any cost. He should respect the decision of a democratic elected parties which voted with consensus.

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  • ProudPakistani
    Apr 13, 2012 - 10:21PM

    Here is some sense coming up from a Pakistani leader..a dignified, educated & respected leader…Pakistan is with you Imran Khan!!

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  • Brajanarayan
    Apr 13, 2012 - 10:31PM

    In spite of its apparent failures, the present Government has performed well and in stead of taking a risk in handing over reign of power to an untested, politician,its better for the people of Pakistan to go with tested politicians. However, the final decision will come from the people of Pakistan and let us wait and see. All the best Pakistan.

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  • Shanawar Hashmi
    Apr 13, 2012 - 10:33PM

    @Democrat:
    Good points Democrat. Thank you for representing the majority of the politically aware youth of the country. We are all behind you.

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  • mindless
    Apr 13, 2012 - 10:34PM

    @Aamer Khawaja,@Ali:

    I wish my previous comment would have appeared which Tribune didn’t let to appear. I pointed out abusive because in real sense it was, but i don’t think much of Pakistanis know it.
    Saying NO to NATO and ISAF including US is our sovereign right which is protected under UN charter. While getting Business from EU and US is protected under WTO for which US can not impose unilateral ban only if our products have health and safety issue and they violate specific UN charter and laws.

    I have self respect and i dont allow somebody to call me names.

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  • Shanawar Hashmi
    Apr 13, 2012 - 10:34PM

    @dv sikka:
    If your comment was sarcastic then I agree.

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  • Zoaib
    Apr 13, 2012 - 10:41PM

    Mr. “Pakistani politics” seems to believe a lot in conspiracy theories. Just an absence (or perceived absence) of IK’s statements on the NATO supply (though he’s been repeating his stance on various occasions) and he thinks “Americans” are behind it. The Americans could never control IK before (read Wikileaks) and will never be able to in the future.

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  • Apr 13, 2012 - 10:47PM

    @Democrat:
    when did i said we should support this war,? when did i said we should resume supplies?, read my comments again. you still didnt answered to my question, how do u say that by not opening supplies we can separate ourselves from Afghan conflict? have u ever heard the word “Strategic backyard” from our establishment?? now u r wrongly linking suicide bombings with the resumption of NATO supplies even u say that TTP is foreign funded terrorist organization, why would TTP start bombing us if they are foreign funded, when even we support the US strategic interests in the region??

    All i m saying is that we must get rid of this fake war but blocking supplies is not the solution of it, it would create more problems for us, Instead of that we should help US for safe exit and play our role in negotiations with all stake holders.

    @mindless:I didnt used any abusive lang.

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  • Apr 13, 2012 - 10:51PM

    @Zoaib:
    may be the establishment is behind him because both of them didn’t opposed the resumption of supplies when the committee was reviewing the policy and both of them remained silent at that time.

    Now both the Military and PTI will start whining (though they have started) and start throwing blame at the political parties and the parliament..

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  • PTI troll 76
    Apr 13, 2012 - 10:56PM

    You can hate us all that you want but we will only give LOVE in return. We love our country, we love our people and we will always stand with them even if it means we reject dollars that all our present rulers worshipRecommend

  • Apr 13, 2012 - 10:59PM

    @PTI supporters: sitting and sipping coffee and throwing blames is the easiest job to do,

    dont be emotional if u are unable to present a better argument or alternative to the solution and when u had nothing to say or couldn’t counter my argument u started blaming me for abusive lang.

    Conclusion: U can never expect a constructive debate from emotional pti supporters

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  • Apr 13, 2012 - 11:10PM

    @Mindless:
    troll was an abusive word according to u, and see the above comment posted by a PTI supporter who chose his best name as a TROLL
    @ “PTI troll 76″

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  • ali
    Apr 13, 2012 - 11:18PM

    @mindless

    There is a UN resolution against Taliban, and we are bound to obey it. You are saying as if Pakistan has nothing to do with Taliban. Taliban are operating from FATA and Baluchistan, and army is aiding in US-Taliban negotiations. Global organizations like UN or WTO are not neutral arbitrary bodies; they reflect the will of the dominant powers. Foreign investment and trade are directly related to foreign relations. We didnt give India MFN status for 15 years which we were bound to give according to WTO. And if not trade sanctions; then US and EU can impose many tariff and non-tariff barriers can be used to make are exports unattractive. While you are asking for obtaining preferential status from EU. And our economy can never compete with China; our bilateral trade with China runs in a massive 8 billion dollar deficit. Our military is also depended on US for arms. Loans cannot be taken from IMF, World Bank and Asian bank without US and EU approval. Your concept is theoretically correct, but it would take years if not decades to achieve self-reliance and economic independence. This cannot happen overnight.

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  • mindless
    Apr 13, 2012 - 11:22PM

    @Pakistan politics:
    LOLZ Am supporter of righteous, but for constructive debate one should know when the limit of abuse starts and when is actual debate. Your points are debatable but abuse is not permitted SIR.
    Look at your own logic you are mixing up right of sovereignty with war. If we call it enough is enough we wont isolate ourselves, we sitting next to BRIC nations, our economy can flourish if use our strategically. Now how come you isolate your self in this. India, Russia, China are next to us. Do they give us much needed aid. We need trade. And big fat NO to Route for NATO and ISAF.

    I wonder when you will actually apologies.

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  • Apr 13, 2012 - 11:26PM

    @mindless:

    Well i do apologize as it seems u r offended and hurt, i m sorry

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  • mindless
    Apr 13, 2012 - 11:41PM

    @ali:

    Actual question is if this route which we are providing to NATO, ISAF is under UN charter or not, then answer is NO. At this point it is our sovereign decision to grant or not.
    I think i am ready to invest my time, energy for long term goals. I agree most what you say but bro look at this. We have an opportunity to do it. Why not to try with Imran then.
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  • Zoaib
    Apr 13, 2012 - 11:42PM

    @Pakistan politics, see you proved me right again (about believing in conspiracy theories). Here is a press release issued by Dr. Shireen Mazari at the time of Parliament session and is the official PTI position (and has always been the same).

    http://insaf.pk/News/tabid/60/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/10740/Parliament-should-reflect-national-consensus-on-NATO-supply-route-Dr-Shireen-Mazari.aspx

    This is in addition to IK’s own statements on TV whenever he was asked about his position on the same. So this should be satisfactory for anyone.

    Moreover, it is not justified to blame IK or PTI for any of this because they are simply NOT responsible being the only party not in the government or even in the assembly. You should spend more of your energy in criticizing the ones who ARE responsible for the double game in the Parliament. Expect from PTI when you’ve elected them at least in the Parliament…

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  • mindless
    Apr 13, 2012 - 11:43PM

    @Pakistan politics:
    I am not hurt Bro, but apology accepted with open heart. I have self respect. Most Pakistanis don’t know in Pakistan that in conversation this word is offending. Thanks again. Cheers.

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  • Apr 13, 2012 - 11:44PM

    @mindless:
    was my apology accepted ? ;)

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  • Apr 13, 2012 - 11:46PM

    @ali:
    how come Taliban are operating from Baluchistan and FATA ? Taliban told u or the US state secretary informed you about that?

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  • Apr 13, 2012 - 11:49PM

    @mindless:
    but i didnt used it intentionally or specifically for you, but i wont use it again :)
    also ask the above comment poster to change his name too @PTI troll 76 :p

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  • John
    Apr 14, 2012 - 12:13AM

    Someone in our homeland wants US aid desperately and parliament is there to save its face which it obediently did with the passage of this resolution. And now we can all live happily ever after.

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  • ali
    Apr 14, 2012 - 12:13AM

    @Pakistan politics

    If you want to feel good; you can deny it. You think there are no Taliban in FATA or Balochistan, and US is telling the world they are, and the world is accepting it. And that we have allowed people to tour FATA Balochistan, but the world is conspiring against us by telling a lie that Taliban live there, although they don’t?

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  • mindless
    Apr 14, 2012 - 12:26AM

    @Pakistan politics:
    Ur Apology is accepted never mind, but for @PTI TROLL 76 change your name man. It is in strong terms very bad word.
    I guess @Ali was informed by Hilary Clinton. Pakistan is in same situation when US was at war with Vietnam where Cambodia was blamed for cross border intrusion and infiltration. Some times i wonder history repeats itself in awkward way.

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  • gp65
    Apr 14, 2012 - 12:59AM

    Imran decided to boycot parliamentary elections in 2008. He therefore has forfeited right to speak about Parliamentary Committee on National Securiy (PCNS). If and when he is elected asa PM, he has every right to review the current agreements and change them if he feels tey are not in the best interest of Pakistan.

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  • gp65
    Apr 14, 2012 - 1:19AM

    @True Muslim Paki: “If Democracy is whats it is in Pakistan, and if majority of Pakistanis want the above, what the problem? Why complain”

    COnsidering that Imran has not fought and won an election on the plank you stated, what is the basis that you concluded that majority of people would agree with the statements you made. Just because you and your friends believe that it does not mean majority of Pakistanis believe that.

    I wuold be very surprisd if the majority wanted shariat implemented. Also pious is a very ambiguous words but if you mean burqas for women, no music etc., then you cannot be sure that most people would agree that Pakistan should be more ‘pious’. As for economy, the circular debt that has brought down the electricity sector , the lack of infrastructure investment due to most money going to army, the sectarian target killings in Karachi which is commerce capital of Pakistan, the floods of 2010 are unrelated to war on terror but DO have a direct linkage to the slippage in Pakistani economy.

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  • dv sikka
    Apr 14, 2012 - 1:25AM

    @shanawer hashmi – there is no sarcasm in what I have said, there is a lot of sadness in it. I will let you answer that. What prevents Pakistan being a top industrial nation with its intelligent and well built people. Why do you need any damned aid. Why not give up the policies of hate. Make Pakistan a peaceful, peace loving and prosperous country. Please do not forget that Pakistan has been the center of one of the best civilizations on earth.

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  • Uza Syed
    Apr 14, 2012 - 2:03AM

    @Democrat: Sure, no one needs to stop this fundo-brigade, they are enough to do to themselves and we can sit back and enjoy the scene and that’s what democracy is all about, Mr Wannabe Democrat.

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  • Democrat
    Apr 14, 2012 - 2:39AM

    @Pakistan politics:
    and why should we help US in safe face saving exit? they imposed this war on us… we didnt want it … even if there is foreign hand involved with TTP, they will have no moral support after we are no longer part of this war…

    @gp65:
    IK boycotted elections under NRO with 45 percent bogus votes but he didnt forfeit his right of being a citizen of this country and he is at least the representative of those 45 percent voters who were denied their right …. he has every right to speak against any wrong policy… just attend any of his public gathering and you will know why he should have the right to speak for us…

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  • Democrat
    Apr 14, 2012 - 2:46AM

    @gp65:
    democracy is only acceptable if it is serving the goals of US… otherwise Hamas won a majority and the world should have accepted their mandate… but they want abbas… similarly they are only supporting the status quo parties which can be easily blackmailed into submission… democracy does not mean just elections… it is government of the people for the people by the people..but the present democracy is government of the US stooges, for the US stooges, by the US stooges… this is the only parliament in the history of the entire world where the election commission has accepted 45 percent bogus votes, where 50 percent members have bogus degrees, where 30 percent members are foreign nationals, where merit for promotion is defiance and contempt of supreme court and corruption… where instead of resigning, the corrupts are making excusing and fighting with judiciary…is their any ethical or moral ground left for this parliament? they wont deliberate the anti corruption and accountablity law but would sit for so many days to open NATO supply lines…pathatic…

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  • Freeman
    Apr 14, 2012 - 4:31AM

    @Pakistan politics: Open you eyes and see what Imran Khan’s Policies are. Imran Khan is only brave and true leader of Pakistan.

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  • Freeman
    Apr 14, 2012 - 4:33AM

    @Pakistan politics: Imran Khan kept demanding not to open Nato supply but people are who are deaf cannot hear those things.

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  • Nitin
    Apr 14, 2012 - 4:36AM

    Although I am fan of IK, this does not make sense at all. If PTI wants to demand another review, then stand for elections, get elected, become a part of the parliament, and then make your own policies. Staying away from elections and making big speeches is meaningless

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  • Freeman
    Apr 14, 2012 - 4:37AM

    @Pakistan politics: If PTI do not have welfare agenda for Paksitan then who have. Corrupt ZARDARI ro Corrupt PML(N)?????

    You do not even knwo what you are talking about. Liberal Extremist.

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  • Freeman
    Apr 14, 2012 - 4:41AM

    @Pakistan politics: Why we only do things where only Paksitani’s dies. oPEN YOUR EYES. Imran took this stance since Nato route was blocked. He kept saying this that do not open it again but blind eye Pakistani cowered Leaders made the wrong decission again.

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  • Freeman
    Apr 14, 2012 - 4:45AM

    @ali: This is becasue of Floods not the because of Nato supply route open. This specail status has nothing to do with war.

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  • Freeman
    Apr 14, 2012 - 4:53AM

    @dv sikka: Let me explain significance of US AID. US Aid brings corruption, All money goes to bank balances of top ranking people of Pakistan in swiss and other countries bank accounts. US Aid brings missery. US Aid have no benefit for an ordinary person of Pakistan.

    US Aid is bribe for the Paksitani present Leaders who are running country to give Licence to kill innocent people of Pakistan.

    According to the media figures Pakistan Received about 20 Billions USD and we lost over 70 Billions because of a war.

    70 – 20 = 50 Billion loss.

    I think you do not understand Significance of US AID.

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  • Thoughtful
    Apr 14, 2012 - 5:44AM

    OMG you r so cool . How did you know what we really needed. Another review! Well done you. Mooah

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  • Zia
    Apr 14, 2012 - 10:31AM

    Life of our Soldiers is so cheap in the eyes of our great Parliament that they even not waited for American apology. Before passing the resolution apology should have been seek for the martyred Soldiers.

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  • fasmik
    Apr 14, 2012 - 12:02PM

    All you beggars & US lovers out there: Stop being mortified. Dont you have any shame and dignity left?
    It is the height of cowardice and selfishness that you let your brothers die and enjoy urself over it. Stand up for your national interests and get some courage to defy whats wrong.

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  • usman
    Apr 14, 2012 - 12:09PM

    He simply spoke out the heart of a majority common Pakistani. He does not mince words like PML-N or JUI-F who after accepting the proposals inside are raising hue and cry outside.

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  • Bilal
    Apr 14, 2012 - 12:16PM

    Any self respecting Pakistan who has ever made the slightest of effort to find meaning of the word “sovereignity” would say that the PCNS resolution is just another proof of the body’s subservience to vested interests global and local an NOT the voice of the nation. It is sad to see some of the comments here by the so called educated people or should I say those who can express in the colonial language their twisted views and justify this or that to water down any criticism of this toothless resolution.
    Fact of the matter remains is if you want to know the people who have sold out our nation them just look at the signatories of this damned resolutions.

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  • Abu Bakr Hamza
    Apr 14, 2012 - 1:52PM

    @Democrat: USA did use religion but not the regressive mindset of Wahabis to blow up girls schools, kill anyone who does not keep beard, listen to music etc.
    After the Soviets left, Afghans fought amongst themselves for six years – Americans were not in Afghanistan during these years. Talibans were created by ISI and Saudis at the end of this period. Afghanistan known as the land of Sufi saints – the land of Rehman Baba – was transformed into the hate filled Wahabi/Salafi ideology imposed with the power of the gun by foereigners. These are the foreigners that should be kicked out and are responsible for the mayhem being caused in the Afpak theatre.

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  • saeed
    Apr 14, 2012 - 3:33PM

    @Pakistan politics..in reply to your first comment I think it was you who was waiting for the reply of PTI on the NATO supply resumption to start whining……..When all the cronies and thugs are together this is the only party who gives hopes to the masses…it is the mindset like you who accepts the slavery on these grounds that what could have we done..its NATO..its America…..there is no GOD accept ALLAH and there no one to fear except ALLAH…this nation of 1 hundred and eighty million once united is a very hard nut to crack..but when we have leaders like zardari who came only to serve America and its samjhota express of all the other cronies like maulanaa and shareef…this is bound to happen..grow up kid…Recommend

  • Ahad
    Apr 15, 2012 - 1:23AM

    Please dont compare IK politics with others PTI and IK is last hope for this country

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  • Udaya Bose
    Apr 15, 2012 - 11:52AM

    The truth is Pakistan is a junkie beyond redemption and the drug is American money.

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  • A Peshawary
    Apr 15, 2012 - 5:51PM

    Mr. Khan did not participate in elections and sided with the worst of the military dictators in the begining; he should wait for the next elections and seek people representation. Does the resolution on the past events can bring back the died one? What a logical and sane notion; these type of the resolution are for the future direction based on pass experience. It is an attempt to prevent its happeing again, which of course is very difficult in present cercumstances, yet it represent people wishes.

    The beautiy of the democracy is that the people’s will thrive, this is what has happened. Instead of appriciating the parliment verdic, the parties which dont’ have representation in the parlement, due thier folly, are not accepting parlement’s decision on the foreign policy; an unprecedented measure in our political history. It is an other landmark achievement of PPP leadership who are famous for making a consensus dicesion on collective wisdom (the passing of 1973 consitution).

    The left out political parties therefore are asked (not requested) to accept Peoples’ verdic and refrain from passing comment. If they cannot appriciate good things (like some sick mind midea persons) due to wishfull point or rating scoring, at least they could have been silent to show some morals courage.

    A Peshawary

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