US should stop atrocities in Indian Kashmir: Fazl

Published: February 23, 2012

JUI-F chief questions growing interest in Balochistan and silence over Kashmir.

ISLAMABAD: 

Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam Fazl (JUI-F) Chief Maulana Fazlur Rahman said that the United States should compel India to stop atrocities in Indian administered Kashmir rather than taking up the Balochistan issue.

The JUI-F Chief, who is also the Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee on Kashmir, has given this statement at a time when an Indian parliamentary delegation is visiting Pakistan.

“Why is America silent over the killings of Kashmiris, even though Jammu & Kashmir is an internationally recognized disputed territory,” he asked. “America is discussing Balochistan in its parliamentary hearings, although, it is an integral part of Pakistan,” he said, adding, “It is clearly interference in the internal matters of Pakistan.”

He said the US has incriminated Dr Ghulam Nabi Fai to please India, while he was projecting the Kashmir issue there. India has been killing Kashmiris since 1947, he said adding that the world powers were silent spectators in the meanwhile.

Appreciating a report by the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) Observer Margrat Sakagaya on Indian administered Kashmir, Fazlur Rahman urged the UN and the international community to pressure India into stopping human rights violations perpetrated by Indian security forces.

He said that the UNHRC Observer has confirmed the atrocities India was inflicting on the hapless Kashmiris. There can not be a more authentic document on this issue, he added, terming it a test case for the UN.

Published in The Express Tribune, February 23rd, 2012.

Reader Comments (57)

  • Akhtar
    Feb 23, 2012 - 9:48AM

    Yes, I agree with Maulana Saab! Both Baloch & Kashmir issues are burning since independence. Both sides, there are atrocities committed. Pakistan should openly declare that if India conducts Plebiscite, we are willing to do the same. Or else, both the countries are willing to do plebiscite on the same day, provided, UN monitors the plebiscite in both countries.

    Equality should be there for both the countries. & since both of the are claimed to be illegal occupation, we should do plebiscite in both countries.

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  • Nitish
    Feb 23, 2012 - 9:51AM

    Living in La la land..
    This is 21st century my friend.. Pinch yourself.. Baseless propaganda by some sections of the Pakistan on Kashmir has lost any audience in the outside world and it has come back to haunt Pakistan itself..

    There is a saying in Hindi, ” Jinke ghar sheeshe ke hote hain , wo dusro ke ghar pe pathar nahi marte”. This is apt for Pakistani section of society which still thinks Kashmir is their birth right.. Recommend

  • Travian
    Feb 23, 2012 - 10:00AM

    hahahaaaa…. talk about day dreaming.

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  • ashok sai
    Feb 23, 2012 - 10:04AM

    The entire world know about what kind of credibility you guys have, already you had sowed poisonous seeds in Pakistan in the form Madrassas which has turned Pakistan into epicentre of global terrorism.

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  • DevilHunterX
    Feb 23, 2012 - 10:05AM

    Ostrich policy wins again!

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  • Balochi liberal
    Feb 23, 2012 - 10:07AM

    The common factor in Kashmir and Balochistan is that Pakistani elements are killing those people and blaming sardar in Balochistan and Indian army in Kashmir. World sees this, they know this, they can see through Pakistani lies. Balochistan zindaabad!

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  • Mard-e-Haq
    Feb 23, 2012 - 10:17AM

    Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam Fazl (JUI-F) Chief Maulana Fazlur Rahman should defend Pakistan against US drone strikes. Where was the anti-drone Jihad all these years?

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  • jihadi
    Feb 23, 2012 - 10:18AM

    HAHAHA, prrrrrrrrrr
    from now his rating will increase, no doubt. next PM?

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  • well-wisher
    Feb 23, 2012 - 10:19AM

    Maulana’s justification of killings in Balochistan with Kashmir is rather far fetched. People being abducted at regular intervals in Balochistan and their dead bodies later found is certainly not happening in Indian held Kashmir. Kashmir is quiet and calm for the past two years and few killings have taken place at the hands of security forces and even those are properly investigated and guilty punished as well. However, same is not the case in Pakistan, which is well known to the international community

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  • Shyam
    Feb 23, 2012 - 10:22AM

    When the world looks at Pakistan, Pakistan tries to hide behind India. Irony!!

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  • Malatesh
    Feb 23, 2012 - 10:27AM

    Ha ha ha.. Good joke.
    Its true that many best comedian came from Pakistan.

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  • antony
    Feb 23, 2012 - 10:29AM

    @akthar, Since you are bringing the bigger neighbour for your balochistan issue let me say that why not bring Tibet,Chechenya,Taiwan also to be resolved at the same time or remain status quo.

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  • BlackJack
    Feb 23, 2012 - 10:32AM

    Do you guys ever hear any parliamentarian from India speaking of Balochistan or Syria or Xingjiang or Tibet when there is international negative publicity regarding our role in Kashmir? No – and that is because we do not see that as an excuse; we need to fix our own problems – and so do you. Forget Kashmir, fix Balochistan.

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  • Feb 23, 2012 - 10:57AM

    Plebiscite for Balochistan and Kashmir. And the Indian guy above is a usual troll who gets nauseated when the truth is told.

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  • wonderer
    Feb 23, 2012 - 10:58AM

    @Akhtar:

    As an Indian I agree with you fully. Just take care of the following.

    Before there can be a plebiscite in Kashmir, the area occupied by Pakistan by force since 1947/48 is to be vacated as per the terms of 1948 UN resolution on Kashmir. Pakistan must also agree to recognizing Kashmir as an independent state if the Kashmiris vote for Azadi.

    Tell me if you are willing.

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  • John B
    Feb 23, 2012 - 11:00AM

    Perhaps he should read history written by outsiders on the issues.

    It may look nice in PAK papers for his local constituents, but he is not doing any one any favors by being dishonest in his opinions. Everyone outside of PAK knows that PAK has agreed not to interfere in India Kashmir since Kargil, and in return PAK gets the Economic benefit from the world.

    It is time PAK starts detoxification of years of brain washing for the good of the country.

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  • Bhutto
    Feb 23, 2012 - 11:27AM

    Before India defends Balochi’s it needs to fix its own backyard, as far as my history is concerned Maoists have tried to gain Independence from India since the beginning of time. Don’t forget the Sikhs who even to this day want their own Khalistan. India will be broken into pieces before Pakistan ever will. Because, according to a recent tribune survey Pakistanis are Muslims first and Nationalists second. Its not the same in India where they teach sikhs, muslims, hindus that they are “hindustanis” first.

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  • Real Baloch
    Feb 23, 2012 - 11:47AM

    @Hello all,

    Truth is truth, Kashmir is a conflict b/w 2 states since 65 years while Baluchistan is an internal matter of a country.

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  • Real Baloch
    Feb 23, 2012 - 11:48AM

    @Nitish:
    So what is 7 lac indian army doin in kashmir???

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  • Real Baloch
    Feb 23, 2012 - 11:49AM

    Good morning indian comments machine :)

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  • Rajendra Rana
    Feb 23, 2012 - 12:01PM

    @Balochi liberal:
    Brother you have hit the bull’s eye

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  • gp65
    Feb 23, 2012 - 12:18PM

    @Bhutto: “India will be broken into pieces before Pakistan ever will. Because, according to a recent tribune survey Pakistanis are Muslims first and Nationalists second. Its not the same in India where they teach sikhs, muslims, hindus that they are “hindustanis” first.”

    It is factually correct that Indians considers them Indians first and Pak majority considers itself Muslim first. How did you use these facts to reach the conclusion you have i.e. “”India will be broken into pieces before Pakistan ever will.”
    Surely a stronger national identity that Indian possess should increase rather than reduce its likelihood of breaking apart is it not?

    Also when you say Pakistanis are Muslim first – are you then saying that the Pakistani Hindus, Christians and Ahmadis are Muslims first?

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  • wonderer
    Feb 23, 2012 - 12:19PM

    @Bhutto:

    As an Indian I support your wise advice. India should, of course, clean up its own mess.

    But, I will expect Pakistan not to wait for India to break up, before starting to seriously look into the Baluchistan problem, and solve it.

    The reason is simple. India, even if broken up in a hundred pieces, will do all it can to help Baluchistan if Brahamdagh Bugti asks for help. My advice to Pakistan is NOT to wait for India to break up.

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  • JS
    Feb 23, 2012 - 12:22PM

    Muslims in kashmir – our responsibility to defend, muslims in Afghanistan – our responsibility to defend, crazy muslim hating Danish newspaper – our responsibility to riot and issue fatwas, crazy muslim hating American priest – our responsibility to riot some more, “Godless” Russians in Afghanistan – our responsibility to defend, muslims in Palestine – our responsibility to support…..whose responsibility are the hungry, sick, abused, uneducated, downtrodden muslims (and others) of this country??????

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  • Moeed
    Feb 23, 2012 - 1:08PM

    @Akhtar:
    India will survive if the plebiscite goes against them but can Pakistan survive if Balochistan breaks away? I don’t think Pakistan will EVER venture into a deal like that. Besides, there is no guarantee that the Kashmiris will join Pakistan. They will want to be independent too. That is not something the establishment supports.

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  • Ravish
    Feb 23, 2012 - 1:23PM

    @Bhutto

    “India will be broken into pieces before Pakistan ever will.”

    LOL. You already lost half the population and one third area in 1971. No part of India has broken since Independance. Punjab is economically one of the most developed states in the Indian union, and it is also the biggest contributor of man power in the Indian army. Get out of your bubble, and digest the reality.

    “According to a recent tribune survey Pakistanis are Muslims first and Nationalists second”

    There lies the biggest difference between India and Pakistan. Most people here put their country India first and their religions second. That is why we have far lesser ethnic identity problems than you, even though we are far more diverse than you will ever be.

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  • ijazmir
    Feb 23, 2012 - 1:34PM

    USA loves ,King Amir’s and dictators. It will be kingdom of Bugttis. Who will allow USA base to Check mate Iran. I think Pakistan should lease Azad Kashmir to China for next hundred years to check mate India. This is all power politics.

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  • Ghaznavi
    Feb 23, 2012 - 1:43PM

    @John B
    Pakistan wants what is best for Kashmiris. If they want independence, we will agree, but will you? By the way, what is 7 Lac army doing in Kashmir. If Kahsmiris want to stay with India, then you dont need that many troops there. Couple of hundred of mujahideen cant do much if the public is with you. And if they dont want to be with India, you can never make them against their wish, even if you post an outside army of millions.

    Take your army out of Kashmir, Pakistan will do the same. Let the Kashmiris decide their own issues, without looking down the barrel of the Indian guns.

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  • wonderer
    Feb 23, 2012 - 1:44PM

    @Real Baloch:

    Indian army is protecting the Indian state of J&K from being captured by Pakistan army, which has made two unsuccessful attempts already. It was tried in 1947 and again in 1965, but Indian army defeated them. India cannot trust Pakistan. So, the army has to stay there. The other duty of Indian army is to stop the infiltration of militants from Pakistan from across the LOC.

    J&K Police and BSF are looking after the trouble being created inside the state by militants and terrorists instigated by Pakistan and its paid agents. Army looks after the border.

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  • wonderer
    Feb 23, 2012 - 1:49PM

    @Ghaznavi:

    Agreed.

    Read my comment above.

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  • Nirmit
    Feb 23, 2012 - 2:00PM

    @Real Baloch:
    holiday….they are there to enjoy their time in the most beautiful place on this planet…..Pakistani ar,y must be jealous of it……we can understan it….

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  • vasan
    Feb 23, 2012 - 3:03PM

    Bhutto : I thought pakistan was already broken in 1971 and you were instrumental in that. Anyway it is broke(economically) again,

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  • Feb 23, 2012 - 4:23PM

    Yes Molana u r right, they can speak for Syria but why not for kashmir it is disputed area and Indian military is committing inhumane crimes

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  • Ghaznavi
    Feb 23, 2012 - 4:59PM

    @ Wonderer

    The Kashmiri intifida is home grown, and even now Kashmiris are not happy with one of the highest military concentrations in the world. They continue to vent their anger and frustrations in regular shut downs and protests. If the Kashmiris are happy with Indians, they will handle the infiltration from militants themselves. No militancy can survive if it doesnt have support from the locals. Your comment on Pakistan attacking India and wrestling control of kashmir is laughable. If you really believe Kashmiris are happy with India, then the people of Kashmir will stand up and fight Pakistani forces along with your army. Your argument has no legs to stand on. And in current state of economy and security, do you think Pakistan can start another front??

    How would you feel, if Indians living in Delhi, Bombay etc are daily harassed/intimidated/ beaten up/raped/ thrown in detention for unlimited period – by your own security forces. I am sure you will also come out and show your frustration and pelt them with stones – I would!!Recommend

  • Rajendra Kalkhande
    Feb 23, 2012 - 6:02PM

    One hour debate in US congress has acted like a wolf among sheep. Whole Pakistan has gone ballistic. Issue has not found even a paragraph worth of place in American media. No one is debating it on American television. In contrary entire Pakistan is blaming USA, India and Israel. Doesn’t all this show how week state the Pakistan has become? Pakistanis world over observe Kashmir day each year. Does anyone really care about that in India? Most Indians don’t even know about this. Event hardly finds any mention in India media. There have been endless Kashmir specific resolutions in OIC and elsewhere. I have never seen India going ballistic like Pakistan.Same congressman moved an anti-India resolution on Kashmir 1995. India never bothered. We never summoned American ambassador. All this shows that Pakistan is a very unsecured nation.

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  • Lalla Saqeena
    Feb 23, 2012 - 6:14PM

    @Ghaznavi: Indian army is there just for vacation.

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  • wonderer
    Feb 23, 2012 - 6:17PM

    @Ghaznavi:

    Thanks for the pearls of wisdom you have been kind enough to hurl towards me. In the 76 years that I have spent in this subcontinent, including 11 in Pakistan, 18 in Kashmir, 1 in East Pakistan and the rest in all parts of India, no one has addressed me with such logic as your learned self.

    The knowledge that you have put on displayed is based ENTIRELY on what you have been TOLD (by, you know who). If you were to make an attempt at verifying the same by actual observation and research, your findings may surprise you. Please put in the needed effort because, I can assure you, the results will be most gratifying. Besides, it is very rewarding to make a habit of enquiry.

    I am sorry; I cannot enlighten you any further for fear of being moderated out.Recommend

  • John B
    Feb 23, 2012 - 6:19PM

    @Ghaznavi:
    US does not have an army in Kashmir. As far as everyone in the world, except PAK, is concerned Jammu and Kashmir is one of the Indian states, has 12 million population, has been supported by rest of the India economically and PAK has been meddling in its affair since 1947 on the name of religion which now has become world focus.

    It is time for people in PAK to ask rational questions and read history. What is PAK interest in Kashmir? They are not “Arabs”, don’t speak Urdhu (except few) and they are multi ethnic, and despite ethnic cleansing by Muslims, they are still multi cultural. Don’t talk about UN resolution, without reading it and one of the conditions in that was that PAK has to withdraw her army from pakistan occupied Kashmir, which never happened and will never happen.

    Add to that, PAK donated piece of Kashmir to China, which is not hers to begin with, so now you have three parties India, PAK and China.

    Ask yourself why neither India nor PAK is moving beyond LoC? Because it is the natural defensive border and beyond which each one will be exposed.

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  • Nirmit
    Feb 23, 2012 - 6:24PM

    @Ghaznavi:
    1, what is this Intifida!!! am sure centuries of Arabisation has anything to do with it;
    2, Please have time to see the last electoral participation in Kashmir; you will see how people in democracy stand with their governments; we Indians behave like a human even in a completely adverse circumstances and Kashmiris are Indians, they remember their past and their heritage, to which they call “Kashmiriyat”; they have not given up to the invading Arabs, they have just emberassed their religion not their culture. At the end of the day losing a rich history and one of the most revered heritage is a great loss and you have deprived yourself from this most beautiful aspect of human civilization. Recommend

  • Deepak (Delhi)
    Feb 23, 2012 - 6:36PM

    Atrocities in Kashmir are sadly true. Our forces should withdraw and let local people live in peace.

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  • Ramanujam
    Feb 23, 2012 - 8:59PM

    Ok..Enough of this drama…
    India will give freedom to Kashmir.Indian Army will withdraw from Kashmir and will allow Kashmir to govern themselves…

    But few conditions apply
    1.Similarly Pakistanis should cede their part of Kashmir
    2.Pakistan will withdraw their army from POK
    3.Pakistan should sign a treaty that they will not attack Kashmir
    4.Till Kashmir army become self-dependent.Either US or NATO army will guard the borders from any attacks from India and Pakistan..History has shown that its pakistan who want to conquer Kashmir more than India

    Lastly,if there is an ethnic cleansing based on religion,language and if refugees start coming to Indian border.India will be forced to do what they did in 1971…

    Are Pakistanis ready for this treaty

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  • Mustafa Moiz
    Feb 23, 2012 - 9:08PM

    They are to busy trying to dismember Pakistan.

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  • Feb 23, 2012 - 9:17PM

    If Kashmir is hell why is it seeing the largest number of Tourists. Last year Kashmir more number of people visiting it than the number of people visited Pakistan!!!!

    The lies people tell themselves!

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  • Chill
    Feb 24, 2012 - 11:09AM

    @ Bruteforce

    If Kashmir is heaven, then why are there 7 lac army men there? For protection from Pakistani militants who cross LOC?

    LOC is 750 km long, do you mean to say you have placed 1 soldier on every metre of LOC and still couldnt control infiltration. The fact is infiltration only went down when Pakistan wanted so!

    So what your army has been doing there for part 65 years?? Why dont you disband your gutless army, and give security contracts to militants, who seem to be better organized, motivated than your army and these militanst will also have local public’s support.

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  • wonderer
    Feb 24, 2012 - 12:34PM

    @Chill:

    Cheers!

    Thanks for such sage advice. You know no one is going to oblige you. Why hope that you will find an undefended Kashmir some day for you to walk in?

    Let us manage our “gutless” army. You manage your bravest-in-the-world army, if you can.

    Best of luck!

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  • Malatesh
    Feb 24, 2012 - 1:32PM

    @Chille,

    Your calculations are wrong. Let us agree that there are 7Lac troops in Kashmir.

    All 7Lac cannot be deployed on the border

    Each security person works 8hrs a day
    so 2.33Lac solders left for deployment

    But, atleast 10% will be on their personal leave
    so 2.09 left for deployment

    But, everybody cannot be deployed on border
    atleast 1Lac solders required to maintain peace in cities
    So 1.09 are left for deployment on border

    But, atleast 50k solders required to be present in base camps for maintainance purpose.

    50.9K solders are available to deploy on borders to stop infiltration.
    So each solder has to monitor 14.73km border.

    Now, tell me how can each solder monitor 14.73km border?
    This is the reason why terrorists are still infiltrating and killing civilians in Kashmir

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  • Feb 24, 2012 - 3:36PM

    Why this kolavari dude?

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  • Tony Singh
    Feb 24, 2012 - 4:01PM

    Perhaps Mr. Fazlur Rehaman thinks only Pakistan has the devine right to interfere in other country’s internal affairs. Now Pakistan is getting taste of its own medicine and how!

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  • Feb 24, 2012 - 8:03PM

    @Chill:

    7.5 Lakh is a number passed around the Urdu Media in Pakistan. The whole Indian Army strength is 10 Lakhs, it would be foolish to station 75% of your force in one concentrated area.

    Thats just a canard with no basis what so ever.

    Who would visit a place with so many soldiers, tell me?

    http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-10-16/news/302861971lakh-tourists-number-of-tourist-arrivals-kashmir-valley

    11 Lakh Tourists visited Kashmir!!! You know what a friend of mine in the Company that I work in also visited it recently. Who in their right mind want to go to a Kashmir that many Pakistanis have built in their own minds, with massive help from your biased media?

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  • Abdul Qayyum Bhatti
    Feb 25, 2012 - 2:05AM

    I am surprised to see the missing word “held” or “occupied” in the heading of this news story which Pakistani media has been using historically to point to the part of Jammu and Kashmir occupied by India. I don’t know the policy of The Express Tribune but most of the segments of Pakistani Press have been using the phrases like “Indian held Kashmir”.or “Indian Occupied Kashmir”. Although, the phrase “Indian administered Kashmir” have been used once in the news story which is also surprising because still Indian press employed term “PoK” or “Pakistani occupied Kashmir”. Pakistani Government have been defensive to Indians since the Bombay Attack in India but now is it the time for Pakistani media to follow official footsteps.

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  • gunjan
    Feb 25, 2012 - 3:09AM

    Few illegit sons of Arabs first need to vacate Pakistan so that original inhabitants i.e. Indians can get back their land. It is the agenda we pursue, Sir. My land, my people, my culture, and my religion.

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  • Vijay
    Feb 25, 2012 - 5:05AM

    A simple solution could be for Pakistan to conduct plebiscite in PoK. It would then have much more credibility to go to UN that Pakistan has followed UN resolution but India has not.

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  • wonderer
    Feb 25, 2012 - 7:05AM

    @Vijay:

    India could not follow the UN resolution because Pakistan refused to first vacate the forcibly occupied part of J&K as stipulated in the UN resolution.

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  • Amit
    Mar 3, 2012 - 1:23PM

    @Bhutto:

    You are fool. Have you forgotten 1971, east Pakistan became Bangladesh.

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  • John c
    Mar 7, 2012 - 11:00PM

    @Rajendra Kalkhande:
    And in your lifetime Kashmir will be ours!!!! That is Pakistan if you are wondering

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  • Muslim
    Mar 7, 2012 - 11:01PM

    @JS:
    Ours is the answer!!!!

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  • Mar 13, 2012 - 7:44PM

    @Ramanujam:
    Pak also should get back the land given to China

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